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Whistleblowers: The "Scorecard" Code That Rigged 72 Nations | Ralph Pezzullo · Unshaken & Unafraid with Joe Pags

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Speaker 1: For years they told you the black box couldn't be breached.
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Speaker 1: They lied. Today, my guest has the testimony of two
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Speaker 1: government whistleblowers who didn't just see the corruption, they say
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Speaker 1: they helped build the system. We aren't talking about glitches.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about a specific backdoor in the code.
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Speaker 1: It's seventy two nations that flip outcomes. Ralph Pizzulla is here.
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Speaker 1: He's going to show you exactly what they've found inside
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Speaker 1: the machine. Don't blink. There are bad guys and gals
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Speaker 1: actors around this world that would like to decide who
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Speaker 1: is going to be in charge of any individual any
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Speaker 1: given country. I think, and you can verify if I'm
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Speaker 1: right or wrong in a minute, but I think this
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Speaker 1: is a globalist push to have a one world order,
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Speaker 1: to have one place, maybe in Davos, that controls everything.
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Speaker 1: And you can't do that if you've got freedom and
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Speaker 1: liberty and a constitution in a place like the United States.
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Speaker 1: Am I in to something there or not?
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Speaker 2: You're absolutely on the mark. There is a criminal cartel
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Speaker 2: of our enemies that has been conspiring against us and
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Speaker 2: controlling our elections for nineteen years.
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Speaker 1: We're standing in the way right, We're standing in the
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Speaker 1: way of one governance led by some cabal controlling all
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Speaker 1: of us. Right, it's the United States that's stopping.
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Speaker 2: Them, that's correct, and we're on the edge. It's a
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Speaker 2: very dangerous situation.
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Speaker 1: You got a four year investigation. Where do you start
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Speaker 1: on an investigation like this where you know everybody around
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Speaker 1: the world, the loudest voices in the richest pockets are
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Speaker 1: going to say, this guy's nuts, this guy's wrong, this
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Speaker 1: guy should be arrested, this guy should be censored. Where
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Speaker 1: do you start in an investigation like that to keep
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Speaker 1: it above board and above approach?
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Speaker 2: Okay, well I wrote the book. It's based on the
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Speaker 2: investigation by two government whistleblowers. Gary Bernson, who was one
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Speaker 2: of the most highly decorated CIA officers in recent history.
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Speaker 2: He's the man who put together the teams that went
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Speaker 2: into Afghanistan after nine to eleven and had the Taliban
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Speaker 2: defeated within weeks and had been a lot trapped in
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Speaker 2: Tora Bora. And the other man is a Venezuelan investigator
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Speaker 2: very well used a lot by the deea called Martin
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Speaker 2: Rodel and they came across this mark, this conspiracy Joe.
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Speaker 2: When they were investigating the Cartel del Solis in Venezuela. Now,
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Speaker 2: the Cartel del Solis is the biggest transnational criminal organization
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Speaker 2: in history. It's run by the Venezuelan military and their
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Speaker 2: primary the biggest drug dealer in the world. And they
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Speaker 2: were investigating them in the early two thousands when they
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Speaker 2: were recruiting sources within the group, and that these sources
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Speaker 2: started to tell them that they were also involved in
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Speaker 2: election fraud. Now, how this started was in two thousand
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Speaker 2: and four, Hugo Chaves, who was the elected leader of Venezuela,
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Speaker 2: the military dictator if you will, he faced a referendum
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Speaker 2: from the Venezuelan people and as Cuban patrons, he was
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Speaker 2: very closely tied to Fidel Castro in Cuba. They told
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Speaker 2: him that he was going to lose the referendum and
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Speaker 2: he and they and he asked them, well what do
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Speaker 2: I do? And they said, well, there's this new system
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Speaker 2: of electronic voting machines and maybe if you get some
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Speaker 2: guys who were experts, they can put together software that
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Speaker 2: can be used to steal the election. So they hired
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Speaker 2: three event Azuela in computer engineers experts from graduates of
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Speaker 2: Simon believe our university, which is their equivalent of MIT.
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Speaker 2: These gentlemen put together as software and they installed it.
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Speaker 2: There weren't there's no such thing as voting machines at
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Speaker 2: the time, but they installed it in Olavetti touchscreen banking machines,
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Speaker 2: and they were they the Venezuelans voted on these machines,
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Speaker 2: and they using this software, they were able to steal
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Speaker 2: the referendum for Hugo Chavis in two thousand and four.
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Speaker 2: Hugo Chavis and Fidel Castro were extremely pleased, and they
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Speaker 2: gave these three gentlemen, these three engineers, two hundred million dollars.
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Speaker 2: One said, perfect your system, and let's try it in
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Speaker 2: elections in Latin America.
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Speaker 1: Well, Ralph, I got to stop you there. So I
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Speaker 1: want to make sure I understand. The people of Venezuela
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Speaker 1: voted on banking machines. They weren't voting on voting machines.
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Speaker 2: In the beginning in two thousand and four, there were
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Speaker 2: no such thing as voting machines, so that they were
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Speaker 2: touchscreen banking machines.
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Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you something I think is an
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Speaker 1: obvious question. If you said, hey, a Joe, who do
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Speaker 1: you think might have the ability and the technology to
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Speaker 1: possibly affect an election like this. I would say China,
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't I would say Russia. I wouldn't say Cuba.
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Speaker 1: Cuba is a mess. I wouldn't say Venezuela. Mea, how
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Speaker 1: is it? And maybe I'm naive to how deep this goes?
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Speaker 1: But how is it that Cuba that has been a
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Speaker 1: disgusting pit since nineteen fifty nine? How is it that
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Speaker 1: Venezuela that I mean, you have a complete Marxist fascist
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Speaker 1: takeover by Chavez and then by Maduro. How are they
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Speaker 1: able to muster the technology? As you said, there is
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Speaker 1: an n MIT like the Boulevard University. I get it,
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Speaker 1: I understand that. But again, maybe I'm naive to how
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Speaker 1: smart these people are. But I would not think Cuba
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Speaker 1: and Venezuela were in the head.
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Speaker 2: Of this well. Cuba has probably the most sophisticated intelligence
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Speaker 2: service in the Western Hemizon, really one of the most
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Speaker 2: sophisticated ones in the world. They have made tremendous penetrations
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Speaker 2: of the art intelligence service and working together with the Venezuelans. Now,
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Speaker 2: Venezuela is a tremendously wealthy country. I don't think many
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Speaker 2: people realize that they have the highest oil reserves in
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Speaker 2: the world, and that their population is certainly the elites
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Speaker 2: are very well educated. The education system is up until
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Speaker 2: recently was very high quality. And so they were able
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Speaker 2: to hire these three gentlemen, these three engineers, and they
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Speaker 2: put together this software which has been perfected over the
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Speaker 2: years with the help of Chinese technicians Iranian technicians. This
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Speaker 2: is a very sophisticated operation. People don't realize, but it's
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Speaker 2: been in place since two thousand and four and it's
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Speaker 2: been perfected along the way. The first times they used
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Speaker 2: it were, like I said before, we're in Latin America.
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Speaker 2: We're in the beginning. In the early two thousands, you
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Speaker 2: saw a series of leftist leaders elected in Latin America
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Speaker 2: that were surprising. They were not expected to do as
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Speaker 2: well in the polls as they did, and you saw
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Speaker 2: people like Evo Morales elected in Bolivia, Doniel Ortega in Colombia,
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Speaker 2: and so on and so forth, and sort of political
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Speaker 2: observers of these countries just assume that there was sort
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Speaker 2: of this kind of left groundswell that was rising through
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Speaker 2: the population. Well, what was really happening is that they
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Speaker 2: were using these machines that were stealing the elections that
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Speaker 2: were tipping them in favor of these leftist candidates. They
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Speaker 2: then incorporated this company using the same software. They incorporated
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Speaker 2: this company in the United States. It's called Smartmatic. It
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Speaker 2: was incorporated in Boca Raton, Florida, and they started running
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Speaker 2: elections in the United States. They started getting contracts. They
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Speaker 2: hid by hiding the Venezuelan origins of the company. They
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Speaker 2: did all this sort of corporate shenanigans in shell game,
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Speaker 2: and they were able to The first election that they
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Speaker 2: ran in the United States was the Democratic primary in
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Speaker 2: two thousand and eight in Cook County, Cook County, Illinois,
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Speaker 2: between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton, of course,
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Speaker 2: was a very well known person at the time. She'd
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Speaker 2: been the first lady, she'd been a Democratic the senator
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Speaker 2: from New York, so she was much favored in that primary,
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Speaker 2: and they were able to for Barack Obama, thereby launching
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Speaker 2: his presidential nomination in two thousand and eight. Hugo Chavis
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Speaker 2: said to one of his top aides, who was a
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Speaker 2: security director at the time, and we know this gentleman
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Speaker 2: because he's a friend of ours now, he told him.
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Speaker 2: At the time, he said watch me, I'm going to
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Speaker 2: elect the first black president of the United States.
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Speaker 1: Wow, it is Ralph Pazzilla. Look at this book called
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Speaker 1: Stole an election to the takedown of democracies worldwide. So
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Speaker 1: am I to understand you right? That before two thousand
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Speaker 1: and six the globe had not seen voting machines at all.
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Speaker 1: And if that's the case, why did we accept them
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Speaker 1: so openly Because it's the shiny thing, it's new technology
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Speaker 1: and must work. Why did we trust them so quickly?
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Speaker 2: It was You're perfectly right, Joe. It was new technology.
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Speaker 2: It kind of streamlined the process, and people at the
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Speaker 2: time thought that that technology was, you know, couldn't be
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Speaker 2: hacked and was perfectly safe. The opposite was true. Actually,
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Speaker 2: the system was created by these three engineers with at
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Speaker 2: least fourteen back doors in it. It was basically created
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Speaker 2: to steal elections. In fact, when they went to California
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Speaker 2: and they applied to the state to use their machines
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Speaker 2: in state elections in two thousand and seven, the California
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Speaker 2: the California Secretary of State appointed a group of experts
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Speaker 2: computer engineers from Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, etc. And they came
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Speaker 2: back with a report that said this software is garbage.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like it was actually created to
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Speaker 2: steal elections. And so their application and was rejected in California.
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Speaker 2: That was during the reign of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger. A
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Speaker 2: few years later, Jerry Brown, a Democrat, was elected governor
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Speaker 2: of California, and they applied again and they won the contract,
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Speaker 2: and up until today, smart Matic still runs elections in
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles County, which is the most important county in
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Speaker 2: California and the most populous.
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Speaker 1: It's almost the most important county in the country. To
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Speaker 1: be honest with you, it is. It's Ralph Pazzila. Go
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Speaker 1: to Ralphazzilo, author dot com. Ralph Pasila, author dot com,
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Speaker 1: and it's pez z U L l O. Get this book.
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Speaker 1: It's called Stolen Elections. Let's let's talk about how they
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Speaker 1: do it. And you and I aren't building computer I
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Speaker 1: built some computers, but I'm not a software guy. I
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Speaker 1: couldn't figure it out. I'm guessing the experts that you
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Speaker 1: had who did this this research, they've got the actual
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Speaker 1: evidence technologically, what are they doing Because it's not like
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Speaker 1: one wins by you know, one hundred million votes. No
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Speaker 1: one wins by a little bit over here, when's by
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Speaker 1: a little bit over there, and somehow at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, Biden's got eighty million votes. Just hypothetically,
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Speaker 1: I'm throwing a Biden's name out there. So how does
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Speaker 1: it work specifically.
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Speaker 2: Well, this is a very sophisticated operation, Joe. There are
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Speaker 2: hundreds of engineers involved when they steal these elections, and
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Speaker 2: they plan it one year ahead of time. So if
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Speaker 2: you have a presidential election coming up, they start working
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Speaker 2: one year ahead of time. The software has migrated to
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Speaker 2: different election companies in the United States. It's primarily a
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Speaker 2: company called Dominion. They control most of the key swing
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Speaker 2: state districts in the United States. And so what happens
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Speaker 2: is that a year ahead of time and they when
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Speaker 2: they get when they win the contracts to run elections
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Speaker 2: in these districts, they take over what's known as the
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Speaker 2: poll book. So they have all the voting data in
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Speaker 2: their hands and they know who's voted for what party, who,
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Speaker 2: who's dead, who rarely votes, et cetera, et cetera. And
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Speaker 2: so they start they start with statisticians and from there
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Speaker 2: and they start to plan, Okay, in order to tip
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Speaker 2: the election, you know, where do we go what districts,
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Speaker 2: how do we shave votes in a particular district or not?
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Speaker 2: And they have various tools at their disposal. They have
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Speaker 2: mail in votes, they have the software that they can
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Speaker 2: use at the end to steal as many votes as
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Speaker 2: they need. And then these machines, although they're not supposed
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Speaker 2: to be, they are connected to servers, and the servers
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Speaker 2: are linked to the main server which is in Serbia
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Speaker 2: that is controlled by China by using by their company Huawei,
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Speaker 2: which we've heard of. Yes, they create a virtual tunnel,
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Speaker 2: so there's nothing physically that you can see. It's like
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Speaker 2: a cloud, and they do the steal there and they
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Speaker 2: manipulate the numbers the way they want them and then
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Speaker 2: they beam them back to the machines in the unit
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Speaker 2: in the particular districts in the United States. And that's
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Speaker 2: the result that that is recorded, that that is that
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Speaker 2: is publicized right and when you when you look back,
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Speaker 2: when you try to to to trace how the votes were, uh,
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Speaker 2: it's impossible to trace because they disappear the virtual tunnel,
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Speaker 2: the virtual apparatus where this where this steel takes place.
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Speaker 2: And and also the other part of it is is
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Speaker 2: they control the audit companies as well. So this is
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Speaker 2: a very very sophisticated operation. Like I say, it started
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Speaker 2: in Venezuela, but quickly the Chinese got involved. They put
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Speaker 2: a lot of money into it and a lot of expertise.
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Speaker 2: The machines, the voting machines themselves are the parts are
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Speaker 2: made in China. They're sent to Taiwan where they're assembled
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Speaker 2: so they can put made in Taiwan stickers on them
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Speaker 2: right their ship to the United States, and then they're
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Speaker 2: loaded with software that is owned by Venezuela. They still
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Speaker 2: own it. They've they've they've thoroughly disguised the corporate ownership
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Speaker 2: very cleverly. But you know, we have the source code
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Speaker 2: in our and our possession and we can prove all
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Speaker 2: of this. We have proved it to the Justice Department
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Speaker 2: and they've been investigating it.
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Speaker 1: It's Ralph Pazuloh. Go get the book called Stolen Elections.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a couple of questions before we continue.
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Speaker 1: You've mentioned dominion, you've mentioned spartmatic. Yes, you don't seem
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Speaker 1: to have a problem mentioning them. Is there any hesitation?
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Speaker 1: Do you fear they're going to sue you for eight
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Speaker 1: hundred million?
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Speaker 2: Dollars.
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Speaker 1: Do you have the goods on them that? Like, you
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Speaker 1: would love to have discovery with them if you could.
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Speaker 1: I mean, where are you on that, because you're naming them.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. We would love to have discovery with them,
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Speaker 2: and they would not They would not like that at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so we would You have no fear of saying
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Speaker 1: the names of the companies?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, not at all. So Gary and Martin part of
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Speaker 2: their criminal investigation, and these guys are expert, you know,
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Speaker 2: criminal investigators. What they did is they went out and
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Speaker 2: they recruited engineers, statisticians and other members of the company
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Speaker 2: of these companies in Venezuela. And these guys are working
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Speaker 2: for us and have you know, talk to the Justice
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Speaker 2: Department and the FBI, and everything has been corroborated, so
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Speaker 2: you know, we've got the goods on them.
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Speaker 1: You've been out for a while talking about this book
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Speaker 1: of this investigation you're on with our friend Laura Logan,
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Speaker 1: which was awesome. You see that she's actually interviewing one
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Speaker 1: of the people that you just mentioned, Martina. Believe yes,
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Speaker 1: and this is going to continue. But I'm guessing most
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Speaker 1: people will shy away from you. I won't because you're
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Speaker 1: saying it and you can back it up, but most
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Speaker 1: people will shy away from you. Have you been contacted
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Speaker 1: by any lawyers from these companies? Has anybody at network said,
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Speaker 1: we're not going to touch with the ten foot poll,
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Speaker 1: We're afraid of the lawsuit. Where what's the status of
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Speaker 1: you getting this word out? Which is word you say
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Speaker 1: you can back up one hundred percent.
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Speaker 2: It's been difficult. We haven't I have heard from the
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Speaker 2: lawyers from Smartmatic, Gary and I both did about a
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Speaker 2: year ago. Haven't heard anything from them since. Actually, some
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Speaker 2: of the leaders of Smartmatic I have already been indicted
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Speaker 2: by the Department, but we have had a lot of
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Speaker 2: resistance in the media.
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Speaker 1: I would expect that. Let me ask you this, would
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Speaker 1: we have had a president Chavez, Hugo Chavez in Venezuela
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Speaker 1: without this.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, if they didn't have the technology through the
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Speaker 3: banking machines that they used first to adjust the results
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Speaker 3: of an election, would Chavez have continued as the president
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Speaker 3: of Venezuela.
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Speaker 1: Would Maduro have been elected?
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Speaker 2: No? Not at all. They've stall, of course, they used
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Speaker 2: this primarily in Venezuela, and they've stolen every election that
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Speaker 2: they've had invented as well since two thousand and four.
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Speaker 2: And a lot of people in Venezuela who watch elections,
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Speaker 2: who are opposition candidates that they're very well aware of this.
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Speaker 2: I believe we're to the party and uh and and
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Speaker 2: also there's a tremendous there's been a tremendous amount of
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Speaker 2: collusion in our country because these countries and these companies
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Speaker 2: have a tremendous amount of money. The Venezuelans, like I said,
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Speaker 2: their oil reserves are the greatest in the world. And
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Speaker 2: then the Cartel de Souls, which is run by their military,
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Speaker 2: generates something between two and three million dollars a year
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Speaker 2: in profit. So you know, their resources are tremendous, and
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Speaker 2: they have and we have also found that they have
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Speaker 2: they have paid off many officials here in the United States,
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Speaker 2: and that investigation is ongoing.
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Speaker 1: It is that Ralphezzila get this book called Sotal Elections
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Speaker 1: The take Down of Democracies Worldwide. Very very simple question.
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Speaker 1: I think if this were happening, and if they were,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not saying that it's not, the investigation I'm
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Speaker 1: sure shows that you did send me the book. I've
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Speaker 1: never read the book yet. If this is happening, why
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Speaker 1: did why did Trump win this time?
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Speaker 2: Well that's a good question, Joe. Actually we ended up blocking,
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Speaker 2: well not me, but but white hat engineers and hackers
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Speaker 2: ended up blocking, shutting down the servers in Serbia in
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Speaker 2: twenty and November twenty twenty four. That's the only president
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Speaker 2: Trump was elected president because they were trying to steal
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Speaker 2: it for Kamala Harris, and we could see.
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Speaker 1: That you now have a friendly DJ. Are you talking
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Speaker 1: to them? Are these investigators talking to them? Are they
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Speaker 1: going to do something? Can we get rid of these
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Speaker 1: stupid machines in our elections? So maybe we're going to
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Speaker 1: have a fair and free election.
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Speaker 2: We are very impatient. They have had this information for
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Speaker 2: a year, like I said, they have tested it, they
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Speaker 2: have everything that's been corroborated. In fact, the Interior Minister
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Speaker 2: of the of Chavis's regime is currently in Rikers Island,
19:58
Speaker 2: currently in New York in jail, and we have interviewed
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Speaker 2: him as well, and he has corroborated everything. He said.
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Speaker 2: He actually had a smartmatic monitor on his desk that
20:11
Speaker 2: would show the steal of elections in real time. So
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Speaker 2: the DOJ, the FBI, they know all this. They've subpoena people,
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Speaker 2: they're issuing indictments, but they're very slow, and of course
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Speaker 2: we are very frustrated. But we hear that indictments will
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Speaker 2: be coming out soon.
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Speaker 1: Ralph Pazzulo Ralph Pazzulo, author dot com. Get the book.
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Speaker 1: It's called Stolen Elections. It is Is it your opinion
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's based on fact Is everything that
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Speaker 1: you're saying is based on factors. I don't think you'd
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Speaker 1: be saying it if you didn't have it backed up.
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Speaker 1: Is it your opinion that we're going to find out
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Speaker 1: that the result of the twenty twenty election was questionable
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Speaker 1: at best?
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Speaker 2: Well? Absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it was no question about it,
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Speaker 2: and we can prove that.
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Speaker 1: You got the technology to prove it.
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Speaker 2: We have the engineers, We have the engineers who helped
21:07
Speaker 2: who helped do this, so they know how they did
21:11
Speaker 2: it from district to district. And like I said, it
21:15
Speaker 2: was a complicated situation because they don't do it the
21:19
Speaker 2: same every time. They do everything they can't to hide
21:23
Speaker 2: their fingerprints.
21:25
Speaker 1: Is it death by a thousand cuts? Is it a
21:26
Speaker 1: little bit of a few votes over here, a few
21:28
Speaker 1: thousand over there? Nobody's really gonna notice if there's a
21:30
Speaker 1: swing like there was a there was a district or
21:33
Speaker 1: a county in Michigan, historically conservative county. I can't think
21:36
Speaker 1: of the name of it starts with an A. And
21:38
Speaker 1: in that county they had a seven thousand vote switched
21:42
Speaker 1: to Joe Biden in twenty twenty, and then the clerk
21:44
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it's my fault, the minimus take it
21:46
Speaker 1: pressed the wrong button. Was that part of what you're
21:48
Speaker 1: talking about?
21:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's they do it differently everywhere. For example,
21:54
Speaker 2: like in one district in Colorado that was a heavy
21:59
Speaker 2: report publican district and where the cities were blue. Instead
22:05
Speaker 2: of adding votes to the cities, what they did is
22:08
Speaker 2: they went into all the red districts and they shaved
22:12
Speaker 2: off votes, you know, a few thousand here, a few
22:15
Speaker 2: thousands there. So those districts ended up being, you know,
22:20
Speaker 2: not as strong of republican as they were expected to be.
22:26
Speaker 1: So they were still republican, but just not as republican.
22:29
Speaker 2: That's right. So it was hard to notice. You just
22:31
Speaker 2: figured like, oh, it's funny, you know, we expected them
22:34
Speaker 2: to do a little bit better, but they didn't, and
22:36
Speaker 2: so they sort of escaped scrutiny. But like I said,
22:42
Speaker 2: there are hundreds of engineers that are involved in this.
22:46
Speaker 2: There's a center it's called the Conseiljo Nacional Electoral in Caracas,
22:51
Speaker 2: which is the headquarters. And so when they have an election,
22:55
Speaker 2: there are thousands, hundreds and thousands of engineers from Iran,
23:00
Speaker 2: from from China, from Cuba, from Venezuela, even Russia. They're
23:06
Speaker 2: all there performing different tasks, and it's and it's all coordinated.
23:13
Speaker 2: This is a coordinated attack. The good news is it
23:17
Speaker 2: is not there are people. Let me say this, it's
23:21
Speaker 2: not political in terms of our politics. These are foreign
23:25
Speaker 2: enemies who are made at their business. You know, their
23:29
Speaker 2: goal to destabilize the United States, and one of the
23:33
Speaker 2: tools that they're using is election electronic voting machines.
23:38
Speaker 1: Well, or if I want to say this, I think
23:39
Speaker 1: it is political, I'm going to disagree a little bit
23:41
Speaker 1: because I think half the country is okay with it.
23:43
Speaker 1: I think half the country would have done anything to
23:45
Speaker 1: stop Donald Trump and winning at twenty four. I know
23:47
Speaker 1: that half the country was okay with ninety one indictments
23:49
Speaker 1: against the guy that we're all bogus. So as much
23:52
Speaker 1: as I agree these are enemies Iran and China and
23:55
Speaker 1: Venezuela and Cuba, I we're down the list. I agree
23:58
Speaker 1: with you. Anybody who is a good, you know, America
24:01
Speaker 1: loving citizen would would not like those bad guys to
24:04
Speaker 1: get any sway here. But as you said, suddenly Jerry
24:06
Speaker 1: Brown's okay with the machines that were rejected by Schwarzenegger.
24:10
Speaker 1: Why is that because Jerry Brown wanted to win and
24:12
Speaker 1: because he wanted the left or this progressivism or this
24:15
Speaker 1: Marxism to take over. So I think it is political
24:18
Speaker 1: because there's one side that wants to see a sea
24:20
Speaker 1: change in a one world order in this country. The
24:23
Speaker 1: other side is fighting it. I think I don't know if
24:25
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's why I feel I don't disagree
24:27
Speaker 1: with you.
24:28
Speaker 2: The point I'm trying to make is that this is attack,
24:31
Speaker 2: an attack on our whole country. Yes, right, it's they manipulate,
24:39
Speaker 2: They like us to be divided. Yes, And they put
24:46
Speaker 2: a lot of money to Venezuela and China behind the
24:49
Speaker 2: movements that we've seen crop up in the last you know,
24:52
Speaker 2: ten years, Black Lives Matter, the whole trans movement, you know,
24:58
Speaker 2: the migrant explosion, movements that like that, that are that
25:04
Speaker 2: are you know, troubling every community. A lot of it
25:08
Speaker 2: is not organic. It is funded by China and Venezuela,
25:12
Speaker 2: and like I said before, they have tremendous resources, and
25:16
Speaker 2: they they're not They're clever. They do it through all
25:19
Speaker 2: kinds of NGOs. Now, let me tell you one other thing, Joe,
25:22
Speaker 2: that's very troubling is that when Elon Musk when they
25:26
Speaker 2: when those started looking at the federal budget, one of
25:29
Speaker 2: the one of the departments that they looked at was
25:33
Speaker 2: a I D. Right, Well, when they looked in ai D,
25:36
Speaker 2: they found something called SEPs. STEPS stands for the Consortium
25:41
Speaker 2: for Elections and Politic Political Politics Strengthening, very strange name. Well,
25:49
Speaker 2: what STEPS turned out to be was it was giving
25:52
Speaker 2: millions and billions of dollars in grants to organizations like
25:57
Speaker 2: Smartmatic and Dominion to prom promote their software to other
26:01
Speaker 2: countries around the world through our US embassies. And it
26:07
Speaker 2: turns out that there are now seventy two countries around
26:10
Speaker 2: the world that are also infected with this software that
26:14
Speaker 2: is designed to steal elections. So our government, our taxpayer
26:19
Speaker 2: money was sort of used to promote this this software
26:24
Speaker 2: to other countries in the world. And that's a big problem,
26:27
Speaker 2: and that's one of the reasons that USAID was dismantled.
26:33
Speaker 1: Ralph, why do you think an entity like Fox News
26:35
Speaker 1: gives up almost eight hundred million dollars to settle that suit?
26:38
Speaker 1: But why do that? Was this information notine known? It's
26:41
Speaker 1: a news organization, they can go on the same facts
26:43
Speaker 1: that you have, okay.
26:45
Speaker 2: Well, this was another very clever thing that they did,
26:47
Speaker 2: because that the whistleblowers went to Fox News at that
26:52
Speaker 2: time and they said, hey, we'll give you all the
26:57
Speaker 2: information that we've discovered, and we'll even share our sources
27:02
Speaker 2: with you or the experts who committed the fraud that
27:05
Speaker 2: committed to steal in a lot of these elections. And
27:08
Speaker 2: the Fox News lawyers said no, no, we're okay, and
27:13
Speaker 2: they ended up settling for seven hundred and something million
27:17
Speaker 2: dollars something like that. Right, where did that money come from?
27:22
Speaker 2: That's the question I asked, where did that money come from?
27:25
Speaker 2: I don't believe it came from Fox News. And it
27:28
Speaker 2: was also a very clever way to shut down the
27:31
Speaker 2: media from looking into this at all, because everybody was
27:36
Speaker 2: scared off, right, and we're still facing that like this
27:40
Speaker 2: should be a major, major news story. One it's still
27:45
Speaker 2: one of the biggest, right and we're fighting for attention,
27:48
Speaker 2: and a lot of the mainstream media won't touch it
27:50
Speaker 2: at all because their lawyers say you're going to get sued.
27:54
Speaker 1: Well, we'll touch it here because you're the person who's
27:56
Speaker 1: saying the stuff, and you can back it up with
27:58
Speaker 1: the information for the investigation, and I'm glad that you
28:00
Speaker 1: got the backbone to do it. It's Ralphezzulo, author dot
28:02
Speaker 1: com go get the book called Sole Elections, The Takedown
28:05
Speaker 1: of Democracies Worldwide. When I saw Venezuela that raid go
28:09
Speaker 1: on and that we arrested the leader of the Cartel
28:12
Speaker 1: Dela Solis, Maduro and his wife, I thought to myself self,
28:16
Speaker 1: this is about drugs. Yeah, let's stop the drugs from
28:18
Speaker 1: coming in. Yeah. This is about getting the oil companies
28:21
Speaker 1: back what they least and what they owned and what
28:24
Speaker 1: they made, what they built there. This is about being
28:26
Speaker 1: fair to that. This is about the people of Venezuela.
28:28
Speaker 1: They deserve free and fair elections. The last guy won
28:31
Speaker 1: by seventy thirty. Yet Maduro said no, no, I won.
28:34
Speaker 1: But I also thought to myself, because I've been in
28:36
Speaker 1: this business a long time, Ralph, this is about the
28:38
Speaker 1: twenty twenty election. Do you agree?
28:42
Speaker 2: Yes, the raid it is. But the troubling part is
28:46
Speaker 2: they took out Maduro and his wife, right, they arrested them,
28:50
Speaker 2: and I commend them for that, but they left the
28:52
Speaker 2: Cartel del Solis intact. In fact, Rodriguez and her brother
28:59
Speaker 2: Jorge Rodriguez. They're two of the top people in the cartel.
29:04
Speaker 2: They'll sol this and then the corrupt left this government
29:07
Speaker 2: that controls Venezuela. So they didn't really do the job
29:11
Speaker 2: they it was cosmetic. But so far they haven't. You know,
29:18
Speaker 2: these people are still in charge, they're still dealing drugs.
29:22
Speaker 2: They haven't dismantled the election. Uh software around the world.
29:29
Speaker 2: The Trump administration has to go farther further than this,
29:33
Speaker 2: and the American people have to demand that the good
29:37
Speaker 2: first step. But it's only a first step.
29:39
Speaker 1: Well, I agree with you. Delcia Rodriguez is the wrong person.
29:42
Speaker 1: She's the number two, she's the vice president Behamaduro. I'm
29:44
Speaker 1: sure she's involved in the cartel as well, obviously, but
29:48
Speaker 1: you can't. You can't like take out the leader and
29:50
Speaker 1: then so let's do an election tomorrow. It's my hope
29:52
Speaker 1: that they're going to say, we're going to do an election.
29:54
Speaker 1: It's going to be in person voting, it's going to
29:56
Speaker 1: be no machines whatsoever. Let's get a real leader in Venezuela.
29:59
Speaker 1: I think if you do that, the people of Venezuela
30:01
Speaker 1: will rise up and say we're not gonna let this
30:03
Speaker 1: crap ever happen again. If you just say she's the
30:05
Speaker 1: boss for the next four years, you're right. That country
30:08
Speaker 1: is screwed and we didn't change anything. I mean, you're
30:11
Speaker 1: you're not in this business. But maybe do a little
30:12
Speaker 1: predicting for me. Do you think that what I just
30:14
Speaker 1: said is going to happen. We'll have free and fair
30:16
Speaker 1: elections and a real leader can be chosen for Venezuela.
30:19
Speaker 1: Then we can dis middle the apparatus that you're talking about.
30:22
Speaker 2: I hope. So, I don't think it's that easy, Joe.
30:24
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say that, but I think the apparatus,
30:27
Speaker 2: it's it's so powerful. Uh. It's a country of drug
30:32
Speaker 2: run by a drug cartel that is the biggest criminal
30:37
Speaker 2: organization in the world. They control they call that they
30:41
Speaker 2: liken themselves to the costco of drugs, so they can
30:45
Speaker 2: throw all the networks from Bolivia and Peru where it's
30:49
Speaker 2: where where the coca leaves have grown. They control all
30:53
Speaker 2: the labs in Colombia, and they control the cartels in Mexico,
30:57
Speaker 2: and you know, like the cineloic artel basically works for them.
31:02
Speaker 2: And they also export a lot of drugs to Europe
31:06
Speaker 2: and UH, and through the has the Lah into the
31:11
Speaker 2: Middle East. So this is a this is a global
31:15
Speaker 2: problem and a very powerful thing. And I think just
31:18
Speaker 2: removing two people is not going to take them down.
31:23
Speaker 2: I hear you.
31:24
Speaker 1: I think that we're moving the two people though on
31:26
Speaker 1: a brighter side, maybe a more of a glass half full.
31:27
Speaker 1: Guy tells the people of Venezuela. We can and we
31:30
Speaker 1: will again if we have to.
31:32
Speaker 2: Hopefully. Yeah, definitely a strong message. I agree with you.
31:36
Speaker 1: Yes, hopefully we're on the right track there. Let me
31:38
Speaker 1: finish with this, and I really appreciate the time. I appreciate,
31:41
Speaker 1: as I said, you're backbone, because this is brave. These
31:45
Speaker 1: people if they really believe that what you're saying is
31:47
Speaker 1: incorrect and wrong, in defamatory and all that would have sued.
31:50
Speaker 1: You're already and it's been a year that's very interesting
31:52
Speaker 1: to me. We've got the midterms coming up, where if
31:55
Speaker 1: the Democrats get control of the House, they're going to
31:57
Speaker 1: impeach Trump every day. Yes, where are these questionable machines,
32:01
Speaker 1: the machines that you're questioning? Where are they now? Are
32:03
Speaker 1: they all over this country? Can something happen? Let me
32:07
Speaker 1: just follow up with this, and I don't want you
32:09
Speaker 1: to go for as long as you need to. Are
32:12
Speaker 1: you worried about what's going to happen in November? Do
32:14
Speaker 1: we have time between now and then to dismantle this
32:18
Speaker 1: operation so that we actually do see fair results in November?
32:24
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure. I'm very worried about it, Joe.
32:28
Speaker 2: I think that there's a possibility Trump, the President, has
32:31
Speaker 2: talked about issuing an executive order that bans all voting
32:38
Speaker 2: by voting machines and voting machines software in elections in
32:42
Speaker 2: the United States. I don't know if he can do that,
32:45
Speaker 2: And the plan and the hope is that he and
32:49
Speaker 2: he's talked about this as well, turning to paper ballots
32:55
Speaker 2: with and requiring IDs for voting. That's the only way
33:00
Speaker 2: defect to defeat this system.
33:02
Speaker 1: Well, they can do that if you had a backbone
33:04
Speaker 1: in the Senate. The Senate could literally get rid of
33:06
Speaker 1: the filibuster and do photo ID today. They can do
33:08
Speaker 1: voting ID today. But they're afraid because I think food
33:11
Speaker 1: is very weak. But it's interesting that you said about
33:13
Speaker 1: the executive order, just because of my knowledge of the constitution,
33:16
Speaker 1: he can't do that. In the Constitution, it says the
33:18
Speaker 1: state legislatures will set up how elections are done. I
33:21
Speaker 1: wonder is there a way you can think of where
33:23
Speaker 1: he could say legally, yeah, I'm not getting in the
33:25
Speaker 1: middle of the election, other than you can't use these
33:27
Speaker 1: machines that are questionable. You think he can do that?
33:30
Speaker 2: I think. I think that's what they're thinking of doing.
33:32
Speaker 2: I'm sure it will be very controversial. I think what
33:36
Speaker 2: what I kind of prognosticate is that before that they
33:40
Speaker 2: release a lot of this information that we that we
33:43
Speaker 2: have found, and they release it to the public and
33:46
Speaker 2: and and and require you know, like a Senate uh
33:51
Speaker 2: special committee, investigative committee to sort of go over all this,
33:56
Speaker 2: all these findings, and then on the back that you know,
34:00
Speaker 2: try to unite the country, but uh, you know, spell
34:04
Speaker 2: out the danger and how we have been infiltrated by
34:08
Speaker 2: the by these criminal cartels, and how that there's a
34:12
Speaker 2: need to change the electoral system in this country. Because
34:16
Speaker 2: I think if he just tried it now, he would
34:18
Speaker 2: get tremendous opposition.
34:20
Speaker 1: I agree it is does this investigative information, all this
34:25
Speaker 1: evidence that was found, does that reside right now the
34:27
Speaker 1: d o JA, Does Pam BONDI have it?
34:29
Speaker 2: Does she know it's all there. Yes, it's all there.
34:31
Speaker 2: They've they've they've the FBI has has looked into everything.
34:35
Speaker 2: They have they have interviewed the witnesses that that we
34:40
Speaker 2: were put put forward, and they have corroborated everything. And
34:45
Speaker 2: other members of the the criminal cartel who have defected
34:50
Speaker 2: to the United States have also corroborated all this information. Uh,
34:54
Speaker 2: it is it is real. It is absolutely real.
34:58
Speaker 1: Ralph Bazilla got his books Total Actions. It's out now,
35:00
Speaker 1: the takedown of democracies worldwide. Let me finish with this.
35:03
Speaker 1: There is this game that's being played right now. The
35:05
Speaker 1: Supreme Court actually just ruled that candidates can question accepting
35:09
Speaker 1: ballots up to two weeks after an election. Is that
35:12
Speaker 1: involved in all of this at all? You get the
35:15
Speaker 1: result of the election an election day, and suddenly we'll
35:17
Speaker 1: accept your ballots for seven or ten days or fourteen
35:20
Speaker 1: days afterwards, and the end result is the result that
35:23
Speaker 1: some hierarchy you want it somewhere else. Is the is
35:26
Speaker 1: the whole I'll accept your ballot for as long as
35:28
Speaker 1: we need to. Is that all part of this too?
35:30
Speaker 2: Or not? Yes? It is? Yeah, the whole system. You
35:34
Speaker 2: know it is not you know it is slap dash
35:42
Speaker 2: a system. It is not carefully regulated. It is not
35:46
Speaker 2: carefully you know, watched you know, we have to do
35:50
Speaker 2: better than this. It is, you know, the cornerstone of democracy.
35:55
Speaker 2: It is the way that you know, people express who
35:59
Speaker 2: they want their leaders to be and what they want
36:01
Speaker 2: them to focus on. And we can't have it being
36:04
Speaker 2: run by technology that is that is exported from overseas
36:08
Speaker 2: and using machines that are made in China. I mean
36:13
Speaker 2: that that is not worthy of a country like the
36:16
Speaker 2: United States, you know. I mean all citizens have to
36:21
Speaker 2: unite behind that and demand that it be run you know,
36:25
Speaker 2: professionally and up to up to the highest standards.
36:29
Speaker 1: Well, I think they will rally behind that if they
36:31
Speaker 1: have the information. Right now, they don't have the information.
36:32
Speaker 1: That's where we're trying to get it out there. It's Ralphezzulo.
36:35
Speaker 1: We get the books told an election to take down
36:36
Speaker 1: of democracies worldwide. Let's leave it at that. I want
36:39
Speaker 1: to talk to you again because I have the feeling
36:41
Speaker 1: that in the next months and possibly close to a year,
36:44
Speaker 1: but right before the election, a lot of this is
36:46
Speaker 1: going to come to the surface because it has to.
36:48
Speaker 1: Trump is unafraid to say elections,