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BOY BLUDGEONED DEAD BY BRAGGING MILLIONAIRE TEEN AND FRIENDS? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.
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  Speaker 2: Did an Arizona multi millionaire cover up his son's involvement
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  Speaker 2: in murder?
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  Speaker 1: Did his teen boy take part in.
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  Speaker 2: Brutally beating another boy dead, kicking, beating until the boy
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  Speaker 2: lie there unconscious and dies. Why did cops have to
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  Speaker 2: apologize for allowing the multimillionaire dad's car to be valeted
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  Speaker 2: when this goes to court?
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  Speaker 1: What is happening? Does this guy really believe because he's.
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  Speaker 2: A multi millionaire he's somehow above the law. Because I
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  Speaker 2: got news for you, You're not, see Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What happened the night of that fateful party? A group
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  Speaker 2: of teens getting together at Halloween party?
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  Speaker 1: How can it go so wrong?
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm at a party and a bunch of
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  Speaker 3: people are with.
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  Speaker 4: The guns and jump my friend and he's knocked.
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  Speaker 3: Out on the ground. He's been unconscious for like two minutes.
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  Speaker 1: We need people over here.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm let and then started, okay, don't hang up
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  Speaker 3: to stay on the line with me.
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  Speaker 2: You are hearing the nine to one one call from
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  Speaker 2: the night This young boy was beaten and kicked brutally
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  Speaker 2: until he dies. We've got an all star panel. But
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  Speaker 2: first I want to go out to veteran criminal defense attorney,
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  Speaker 2: high profile lawyer in inter city Atlanta, Raymond Judice at
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  Speaker 2: rayglaw dot com. Ray as you know you as a
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney, me as a prosecutor.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing I would like to do when.
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  Speaker 2: I struck a jury is play the nine to one
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  Speaker 2: one call, because witnesses can tell their version on the stand,
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  Speaker 2: but there's nothing like what happened at the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Agree, disagree, totally agree.
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  Speaker 5: It's how you're going to open up your opening statement
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  Speaker 5: to a jury. It also sets your timeline for the
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  Speaker 5: events that will occur both at the scene and post investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you're right, and the first thing you want to
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  Speaker 2: do is set up the timeline.
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  Speaker 1: Speaking of the nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 2: In front of a jury, I would play it straight
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  Speaker 2: out all the way through.
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  Speaker 1: Now, listen to more of that nine to one one call.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, do you know the people that did this? Are
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  Speaker 3: they still there? I don't know if they left, so
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  Speaker 3: they're still here.
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  Speaker 6: I got out there as quick as possible, so I
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  Speaker 6: need to get her. I don't know the people that
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  Speaker 6: are here.
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  Speaker 3: We don't have any beef with them or any things.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know did you see the people that assaulted them?
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  Speaker 3: Did you see them well enough to get any description
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  Speaker 3: or did you not see it?
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  Speaker 6: Actually?
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  Speaker 3: How they all had they all had masks on, and
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  Speaker 3: it was how many?
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  Speaker 1: Was it a lot?
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  Speaker 3: It's like four or five or more like fifteen? Okay,
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  Speaker 3: this is.
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  Speaker 2: Every parent's worst nightmare, group or gang mentality. Uh, the
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  Speaker 2: first case I ever had like this At that time,
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  Speaker 2: I called it wilding. When young people or people in
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  Speaker 2: general do things as part of a pack that they
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  Speaker 2: would never do on their own.
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen to more of that nine to one
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  Speaker 1: one call.
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  Speaker 3: There's not a weak enough Well I know one, I know,
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  Speaker 3: I know.
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  Speaker 6: We're getting on.
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  Speaker 3: You have a you have ali yourself, did all the stuff?
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  Speaker 5: Are you still there?
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  Speaker 3: I'm still here. Did you say your friend has a
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  Speaker 3: whole snow?
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  Speaker 7: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's good. My god, dude, I'm so dead. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: they're here.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You can hear the police arriving in the background, and
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  Speaker 2: you hear the callers and the teams gathered around what
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  Speaker 2: would soon be a dead body saying I am so dead.
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  Speaker 2: They're worried about themselves being in trouble. And it's amazing
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  Speaker 2: to me. I'm about to go to Alexis Tereschuk, Crime
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  Speaker 2: online dot Com investigative reporter. It's amazing to me that
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  Speaker 2: within hours, literally hours of this team boy just sixteen
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  Speaker 2: years old, and you know, Alexis, this is the age
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  Speaker 2: of my John, David and Lucy. Within hours of him
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  Speaker 2: being pronounced dead, people were already trying to get money.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to the call parton Crime Online.
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  Speaker 9: As Preston Lord lays unconscious on the pavement, friends determine
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  Speaker 9: his heart has stopped. Other partygoers perform CPR until police
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  Speaker 9: arrive and take over. Lord is taken by ambulance to
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  Speaker 9: Chandler Regional Hospital, then transferred to Phoenix Children's in extremely
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  Speaker 9: critical condition with a severe brain injury. Preston Lord succumbs
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  Speaker 9: to his injuries. For those involved, Lord's death is fodder
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  Speaker 9: for social media, some trying to figure out how to
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  Speaker 9: cash in on the reward money offered for information about
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  Speaker 9: what happened. The suspects discuss the fight over Snapchat, with
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  Speaker 9: one of the messages reading my mom once in on
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  Speaker 9: the ten thousand dollars. These messages are some of the
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  Speaker 9: first real clues police begin to follow.
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  Speaker 2: I don't understand Alexis Treschuk. Within hours after this boy
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  Speaker 2: is pronounced dead, people are trying to get thousands of dollars.
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  Speaker 1: How is that?
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  Speaker 6: So the police offered a reward, a ten thousand dollars
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  Speaker 6: reward for any information about this case because, as the
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  Speaker 6: kids said on the nine to one one call, they
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  Speaker 6: were in a mask. So at first people were thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we don't know the identity of who these people are
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  Speaker 6: that beat this little boy to death because they had
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  Speaker 6: masks on. So there was a ten thousand dollar reward
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  Speaker 6: offered for information leading to unrest. However, these kids that
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  Speaker 6: are all talking are the ones that were involved in
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  Speaker 6: the beating, and they're so callous. They're saying, oh, my
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  Speaker 6: mom wants it on the money because they were involved
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  Speaker 6: in it, so if the mom turns in another kid,
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  Speaker 6: they'll get the money. But all of these kids were involved,
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  Speaker 6: and they were on top of him, punching him, hitting
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  Speaker 6: him in fact, so he goes knock to the ground
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  Speaker 6: and these guys were on top of him, dry humping him,
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  Speaker 6: so simulating like sex or raping this body that was
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  Speaker 6: on the ground. Now, which all these other kids, you know,
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  Speaker 6: there were hundreds of kids at this party were watching
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  Speaker 6: this happen. They're calling nine one one. They're trying to
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  Speaker 6: get it stuff. They're scared because they'd seen guns. And
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  Speaker 6: it really started because apparently one of the guys grabbed
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  Speaker 6: a gold necklace off a girl there, just ripped it
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  Speaker 6: off her and stole it, so Preston tried to get
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  Speaker 6: it back. He wasn't fighting with these guys. He wasn't
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  Speaker 6: saying bad things then was. He just tried to get
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  Speaker 6: his friend's necklace back, like being a stand up gentleman
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  Speaker 6: for his friend. And that's when they unleashed on him.
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  Speaker 1: Guys.
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  Speaker 2: The day Preston Lord, this teen boy dies, apparently another kid,
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  Speaker 2: a rich brat with silver.
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  Speaker 1: Spoon in his mouth.
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  Speaker 2: Dad is multimillionaire dad Travis Renner goes to work.
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  Speaker 1: According to sources, I'd love to.
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  Speaker 2: Hear from mister Renner if he would join us trying
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  Speaker 2: to cover up his son's involvement. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 2: Crime Onlines Dave Mack.
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  Speaker 10: The day Preston Lord passes away, Talon renders millionaire five.
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  Speaker 10: Travis Renner goes to work trying to cover up the
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  Speaker 10: teen's involvement. Renner and his business partner allegedly hand out
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  Speaker 10: NDA's and push a story that, despite Talent Renner having
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  Speaker 10: thrown the first punch, Talan Vigil was truly to blame
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  Speaker 10: for Lord's death. Renner tells the school his son is
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  Speaker 10: being bullied and whisks Talent away to his eight hundred
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  Speaker 10: thousand dollars golf club cabin in show Low, Arizona for
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  Speaker 10: a week while Talon's hands healed from the fight. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 10: Talon Renter brags to friends on Snapchat, I got in
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  Speaker 10: a fight, a big group fight, and I accidentally killed
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  Speaker 10: a kid. I guess I'm just too strong.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me right now.
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  Speaker 2: Board certified forensic pathologists, former medical examiner in Vegas. Never
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  Speaker 2: lack a business there, doctor Gan Gorniac. Doctor Gorniac, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna circle back to you about the injury sustained by
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  Speaker 2: the boy, the dead boy. But what do you believe
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  Speaker 2: they're talking about? After seeing so many dead bodies in
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  Speaker 2: the morgue When we say that we.
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  Speaker 1: Have been told informed the father kept.
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  Speaker 2: His son away for about a week till his quote
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  Speaker 2: injuries healed.
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  Speaker 1: What are they talking about?
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  Speaker 7: So obviously, when you have any blunt injuries, that means
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  Speaker 7: your body hits something or something hit your body. So
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  Speaker 7: in this case of this young thug, he actually has
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  Speaker 7: injuries on his hands because his hands hit something, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 7: this young man's head, so he's going to have contusions
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  Speaker 7: or bruises on his hands. So he's going to probably
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  Speaker 7: take depending if he has any other cuts on his hand,
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  Speaker 7: it's going to take some time for them to heal.
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  Speaker 2: And under Gorniat, you have studied the case, what can
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  Speaker 2: you tell us about the victim's injuries. I understand he
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  Speaker 2: was beaten and kicked dead. He laid there on the
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  Speaker 2: ground while all of these I guess friends frenemies beat
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  Speaker 2: him dead, But what is the actual cause of death
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  Speaker 2: in a case?
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  Speaker 7: In a case like this, it sounds like his injuries
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  Speaker 7: are blunt first injuries of the head. He got hit
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  Speaker 7: so hard with obviously fists. I'm not sure. When they're
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  Speaker 7: beating him while he's down, does that mean also and
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  Speaker 7: he kicks I'm not sure, But he has extensive head trauma,
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  Speaker 7: so therefore he also has some bleeding within his brain.
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  Speaker 7: So blood on your brain causes some swelling of your brain,
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  Speaker 7: which is incompatible with life. And we heard that he
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  Speaker 7: was unconscious at the scene, you know, right, after the
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  Speaker 7: injuries occurred, so it sounds like he was hit so hard,
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  Speaker 7: plus his head probably hit concrete, so that in combination
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  Speaker 7: really caused some devastating injuries that caused him to go
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  Speaker 7: on responsive immediately.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm also curious and read Judy Cha. I'd
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  Speaker 2: like you to address this. It's reminding me a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: I know that you followed very closely the case of
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  Speaker 2: high profile lawyout of South Carolina, Alexan Murdoga. He was
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  Speaker 2: ultimately convicted in the double murder of his wife, Maggie
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  Speaker 2: AND's son Paul. Immediately he tried to change the narrative.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean? That's the now talk of getting
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  Speaker 2: someone to change their story, because right at the get go,
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  Speaker 2: we've been told and again I welcome the multimillionaire dad
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  Speaker 2: to come on and clear all this up. But apparently
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  Speaker 2: Renner's a millionaire dad. Tristan Renner goes to work trying
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  Speaker 2: to cover up his son's alleged involvement. Renner and his
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  Speaker 2: business partner, Yeah, go ahead and rope in your buddy
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  Speaker 2: in this allegedly hand out n DA's that's a non disclosure,
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  Speaker 2: A great and push a story that the son, the
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  Speaker 2: millionaire son Talon Renner, having thrown the first punch, that
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  Speaker 2: the victim is truly to blame. Okay, I don't understand
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  Speaker 2: that now claiming that his millionaire son has been bullied.
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  Speaker 2: Wait when it's just that's completely bast awkwards. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: can't you go to jail for witness tampering?
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  Speaker 4: Ray?
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  Speaker 5: Well, Phoenix, Arizona's a big town, nancy, but they're going
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  Speaker 5: to have to import lawyers from all over the country
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  Speaker 5: for all the extra defendants, including parents and business associations,
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  Speaker 5: potentially for the quote unquote changing the narrative slash cover up.
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  Speaker 5: But what you're clearly trying to set up is a
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  Speaker 5: self defense accident case that perhaps a fight broke out
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  Speaker 5: between two young men over in a disagreement and a
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  Speaker 5: young man fell and as a doctor said, get his
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  Speaker 5: head on the back of the back of the head
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  Speaker 5: on the concrete. And I'm my son may have struck him,
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  Speaker 5: but there's a causation issue as to which blows cause
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  Speaker 5: the fatality, again shaping the narrative, shaping their opening statement
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  Speaker 5: for trial. But again there's going to be a lot
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  Speaker 5: of this is a Lawyer Employment Act of twenty twenty
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  Speaker 5: four for Metro Phoenix.
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  Speaker 2: The Lawyer Employment Act of twenty twenty four. Hold On,
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  Speaker 2: is that Gorniac? Yes, it is Gornia, doctor Gordiat. Hold
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  Speaker 2: on before I lose my train of thought here, of course,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm scared right now. Did you hear what Raymond
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  Speaker 2: Judice just said? And he completely said it with a
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  Speaker 2: straight face. Okay, this kid was beaten. He was down
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  Speaker 2: on the ground, still being beaten, still being punched, until
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  Speaker 2: he dies, he dies.
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  Speaker 1: Why am I angry?
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  Speaker 2: Because my son and my daughter are the same age
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  Speaker 2: as this boy. They go to parties and you heard
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  Speaker 2: you to cha put him up?
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  Speaker 1: You hear jud Chay, just spin it. He's spinning it.
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  Speaker 1: You don't like what he says? I don't, But that's.
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  Speaker 2: What's gonna happen in court, and district attorney, you darn
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  Speaker 2: well better be ready. Did you hear what he says?
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  Speaker 2: Changing the narrative? What does that mean? Lying? That's what
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  Speaker 2: changing the narrative means that now the victim fell. The
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  Speaker 2: victim did not fall. He was punched, and we know,
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  Speaker 2: according to witnesses, suit through the front first.
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  Speaker 1: Punch he fell. And now we're gonna have a causation issue.
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  Speaker 1: My rear end.
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  Speaker 2: Gornier, you started this all right now, jud Cha picked
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  Speaker 2: it up and ran with it. That he fell and
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  Speaker 2: just died. He fell and died.
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  Speaker 1: You know I've fallen a lot, a lot, running.
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  Speaker 2: Chasing the children, being a cheerleader. This that I never
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  Speaker 2: just died because I fell. But this is the spin out.
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  Speaker 1: This is a new recitation. History is being rewritten.
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  Speaker 2: By Gornia And you know, Gorniac, I always agree with
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  Speaker 2: you and Judice. That's what's gonna happen at trial. Ray,
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  Speaker 2: That's what's gonna happen at trial. What you just did.
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  Speaker 11: A tipster notifies police that Talon Renner admitted to a
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  Speaker 11: friend that he threw the first punch. Owen Hines told
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  Speaker 11: a friend he only kicked him in the stomach. Nearly
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  Speaker 11: all the witnesses point out trust and Billy and Dominic
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  Speaker 11: Turner as aggressors due to their distinct costumes that night.
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  Speaker 11: Turner wore all black while Billy donned a white suit.
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  Speaker 11: Using the suspects, digital media investigators find Taylor Sherman, who
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  Speaker 11: admits to taking a video of Preston as he is
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  Speaker 11: unconscious on the ground and sending it out on Snapchat.
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  Speaker 11: Talan Vigil also sent a message reading I hit a
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  Speaker 11: kid and this kid fell hit his head, then they
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  Speaker 11: kicked his head in the ground. Then I got word
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  Speaker 11: he died.
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  Speaker 2: So idy k you were hearing Sidney Sumner from crime
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  Speaker 2: Online And what stands out to me is that a
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  Speaker 2: tipster notifies police that the millionaire juvenile tailor Renter admits
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  Speaker 2: he throws the first punch and then it's a free
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  Speaker 2: for all with this little boy being kicked and beaten dead.
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  Speaker 2: Seven young men, including the high school football star Talent Renter,
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  Speaker 2: aged seventeen, which is.
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  Speaker 1: Important why is he in juvenile court, have been.
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  Speaker 2: Charged in the brutal murder of teen boy Preston Lord.
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  Speaker 1: Preston Lord.
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  Speaker 2: We are also learning that group violence by teens in
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  Speaker 2: the Phoenix area is growing, and now there's a huge
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  Speaker 2: wave of public of citizens demanding justice that there is
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  Speaker 2: not two tier justice, one for the rich man and
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  Speaker 2: one for the poor man. But that's what it seems
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  Speaker 2: to be shaping up as after local law enforcement give
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  Speaker 2: Preston give Talent Renter's parents special valet parking for their
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  Speaker 2: tesla at the courthouse, then they had to backtrack and
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  Speaker 2: apologize out that's embarrassing. But right now, instead of discussing
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  Speaker 2: the dad's tesla, let me bring back in doctor Jan Gorniac,
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  Speaker 2: a renowned medical examiner and high profile lawyer in the
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  Speaker 2: Atlanta jurisdiction Raymond Judicia dodgor Gorniac, you were clarifying your analysis.
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  Speaker 7: What were you saying, well, listening to mister Raymond about
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  Speaker 7: possibly saying that it was the fall and not the
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  Speaker 7: punch that caused his death. In our forensic world, we
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  Speaker 7: use the butt for the butt for the punch. He
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  Speaker 7: wouldn't have fallen.
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  Speaker 9: And hit his head.
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  Speaker 7: I've had cases where someone swung and missed and fell
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  Speaker 7: and ended up dying and that's still ruled a homicide.
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  Speaker 7: So I understand what the defense might come in and
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  Speaker 7: try to say, but from where I sit, that's still
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  Speaker 7: a homicide just because I mean, but for a punch,
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  Speaker 7: he wouldn't have just fallen and hit his head. It
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  Speaker 7: wasn't like he tripped and fell down the stairs. Something
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  Speaker 7: contacted his head to cause him to fall. So that's why,
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  Speaker 7: no matter what they come in and say, this would
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  Speaker 7: still be ruled a homicide from the medical examiner's standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're right, doctor gorniac.
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  Speaker 2: But somebody like Raymond Giudice is going to take that
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  Speaker 2: thread and run with it till your whole sweater is
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  Speaker 2: nothing but a pile of yarn.
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  Speaker 1: It's gonna be all over It's.
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  Speaker 2: Like a pack of cats tore it up. Because you're
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  Speaker 2: absolutely correct. This boy would not be on the ground
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  Speaker 2: dying if that first punch had not been thrown.
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  Speaker 1: There's your butt. Four.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to argue at trial, Yeah, he threw the
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  Speaker 2: first punch, but he didn't kill him. Well, this is
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  Speaker 2: what I would say, is a prosecutor. They're all going
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  Speaker 2: in the same pot to stew. Nobody's getting a plea.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is going to trial for murder. Because I want you, Jerry,
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  Speaker 2: to think what it would be like lying on the floor,
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  Speaker 2: the ground, the pavement, looking up at all these faces.
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  Speaker 1: And halloween masks.
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  Speaker 2: This bizarre scenario when you're taking a blow to the head,
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  Speaker 2: a kick to the kidney so vicious, you end up
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  Speaker 2: dying and the last thing you see is this gang
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  Speaker 2: of animals over you, dressed in these halloween outfits, kicking
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  Speaker 2: and beating you dead. Oh hell no, nobody is getting
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  Speaker 2: a plea.
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  Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Ray Well, I.
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  Speaker 5: Agree with the doctor. She's an expert. But the argument
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  Speaker 5: that I made, which I believe we will have expert
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  Speaker 5: testimony to, will at least allow number one, a lesser
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: included charge of involuntary manslaughter to a jury. Okay, that's
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: number one. And you know how critical that is. It
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: allows a jury to find for a lesser included charge.
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: It allows a defense to argue that in closing. And
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: I'll bet you dimes to dollars, Nancy, one of these
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: young men's going to take a plea, and now you
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: know how it works.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: They're not taking a plea unless I offer a plea.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: You can't take a plea that has to have been offered.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: They'll take a plea. You wait and see someone's going
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: to offer it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: I know you. You might not offer it, and I agree,
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: I understand how you would play it. But I guarantee
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: you close to trial, somebody's gonna roll. Some is going
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: to come up and be a state's witness so they
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: can get that murder conviction that you want.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Now, I want a murder conviction on everybody that laid
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: a hand or a foot on this boy that touched
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: a hair on his head.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I want them all.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: I would not be happy with just one, and I
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: don't want the rich kid to be the scapegoat. They're
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: all part of this, and you know it's so great
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: about it. They were taking videos, These jackasses technical legal phrase,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: they're taking videos, bringing in Julie Lewis, digital forensic expert,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: President CEO of Digital Mountain Ink. Julie, if anything can
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: make me happy about this scenario, it's the advent of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: a cell phone.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: They're all taking videos.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Now, how do you think a jury is going to
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: react to a gang attack on a single victim already down, unarmed?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Not good? Not good.
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: Those smartphones have a ton of digital evidence. In this case.
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: They're using Snapchat as their messaging app for pictures and messages,
• 22:12
  Speaker 8: and there's a lot of other things like Instagram, social
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: media online that could be looked at. We do that
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: all the time. We do open source intelligence investigations with kids.
• 22:24
  Speaker 8: They have no filter these messages. Also, you have to
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: get them quickly because a lot of these are ephemeral
• 22:32
  Speaker 8: applications like Snapchat. If you do a snap, it'll disappear
• 22:37
  Speaker 8: by default immediately unless the user changes it to holding
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: a message for twenty four hours or not at all Jilie.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yes, that was my next question because all the time
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: my twins are want, well, I got so so snapchat.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I'm like, show me, I know what's gone. I don't
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: know if they're just telling me that yeah, or if.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: It really is gone.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Can they retrieve a snapchat? Can it be retrieved by
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: LA law enforcement?
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: So law enforcement has access to be able to see
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: more on the phones than we can on the commercial side.
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: It's called a physical image, and in that they may
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: be those those databases could be decryptive.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, you've already lost me. Is that a yes or
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: a no?
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Cans you're saying yes, I can retrieve a snapchat.
• 23:27
  Speaker 8: I'm going to give you a lawyer answer. It depends.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Listen, I'm a lawyer. I can try a murder case
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: doing what you're doing. They didn't teach me that in
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: criminal law. So I just need a black and white.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Is there a chance I can get those snaps back?
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: It's possible. So it's similar to having a camera in
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: your office that's randomly taking screenshots. There are parts of
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: the phone that store things in something called memory, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: so it depends.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know what I'm going to have to work
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: with you, as I've told many a witness, because you're
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: not helping me right now, all right, I got a
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: narrative this thing down and get an answer that when
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: I say a jury will understand, I mean that I
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: will understand. And quick question alexis truest and I want
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Juliet Lewis to hear that.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Julie Lewis to hear this.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: It's not just the snaps, Alexis. These jackasses bragged they
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: sent texts back and forth. Okay, that's the first time
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: I've seen that smirk.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Wiped off Juda Jay's face.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Because now is it true that there are that there
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: are not just snaps which can disappear, but there are texts.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: Yes, text messages where the kids are saying, I hit
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: the kid. He hit his head. The other kids jumped
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: on the ground. I think he died. Another one, Talon Renner, says,
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: I got in a fight with a kid.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I hit him.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: I think he died. I didn't even know my own strength.
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: Another kid writes, bro that kid died. They know it,
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: and they're saying also, one of them said, do not
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: delete the video because you can use that and you
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: get ten thousand dollars this is the ten thousand dollars
• 25:02
  Speaker 6: the FBI announced as a reward is you can use
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: that and you can get the money. So they're all
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: admitting they knew that there was video of this murder.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Bragging.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Did I just hear Alexis Tereschuk say bragging and deleting evidence?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Did I hear that was somebody bragging?
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And did someone ask for everyone to delete or not
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: delete evidence?
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: They were bragging to each other. They were messaging each other,
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: not just pictures on Snapchat, messaging each other. They and
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: then another kid wrote to the kid that had the video,
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: who had taken video at the fight, and said, dude,
• 25:42
  Speaker 6: don't delete that video because you can get ten thousand
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: dollars because the police had offered a reward for it.
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: So they're saying, your video could be given as evidence
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: and then you could win, not win, you can get
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: the reward of money. So they are clearly stating there
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: is video of the murder and that they should not
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: delete it because it can be used to help them
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: get money. No, oh, this is going to help our
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: friend go to jail. This is going to take the
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: bad guys out, But you're going to get money. You're
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: going to cash in on this.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: You know what, the jury is going to have a
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: bad taste in their mouth about all of these guys.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: That is why defendants very often will seek a severance.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: In other words, they want to be tried separately from
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: each other. But if it's not a death penalty case
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: and there are no interlocking statements where one defendant brings
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: blames the other defendant, if the state doesn't use those,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: these guys are going to be tried together.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Why is that significant?
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Because let's just pretend Alexis and I rob a bank
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: and I blame Alexis, because of course it's going to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: be her fault. If we're tried together, she won't be
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: able to cross examine me on me blaming her because
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: I'm certainly not going to take the stand. No way
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: that denies her under the sixth of Men of her
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: right to confront the state's witnesses. Even though I'm a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: defendant and a bank robbery, I'm still a state's witness.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: So if the state chooses not to use those interlocking confessions,
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: then they can be tried together. And what I advise
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to the state, not that they care what I think,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: but don't use the statements.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: You don't need them, You've got video people try them
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: all together again. Stu in the same pot.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: I want to address to Julie Lewis, digital forensics expert
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: CEO Digital Mountain.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: What about what Alexis just told us that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: A lot of these communications were not a picture, which
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: is normally what Snapchat is.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: But a written message. How about those? Please give me
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: a yes note, do not go into digital land. Just
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: tell me. Can I get those messages back? Okay? Well,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: oh here she goes, go ahead.
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: Well, I just want to educate a little bit. Apps
• 28:00
  Speaker 8: can be snaps, video and pictures, and then there's chats
• 28:05
  Speaker 8: which are also on Snapchat, and it's Snapchat is meant
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: to delete things fairly quickly, so snaps are usually a
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: media fault in the chats are within twenty four hours.
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: But don't forget about the need of message on the
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: phone as well. So there's all these different messaging apps
• 28:23
  Speaker 8: that teenagers use, and you got to look at them
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: all because there could be more evidence there and the
• 28:26
  Speaker 8: photos and pictures and all sorts of stuff that are
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: your treasure trove.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: What is a native message?
• 28:32
  Speaker 8: That's what's the messaging app on the phone that comes
• 28:34
  Speaker 8: pre installed. That's not a third party out.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, so you mean like it's not Snap, So the
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: phone itself may contain evidence. Okay, let's see our defense
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: attorney expert, Raymond Judice. So you know all that stuff
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: you were saying, let me get in my notes. I
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: think I threw them away. All your theory about oh,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: he just fell and just died because he fell, And
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: what did you say? Oh, I've got to find there's
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: going to be a quote causation issue, a causation issue.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Translation.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: The defense is going to claim that the beating inflicted
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: by these seven people is not why the guy died.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: This little boy died because he fell. All right, that's
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: where he's going. But what about the videos? What about
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the text messages? What about the messages via Snap? And
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: as Julie said, the message is native to the phone.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: That don't just disappear on a third party app. You
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: think you might be in a little hot water.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Now it's the timeline. You're going to start with those
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: nine to one one recordings and you're going to move,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: as our legal technical out and expert just stated, all
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: of these emails and text messages and photos will have
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: a time stamp, and a good prosecutor is going to
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: surgically one after another set out the time frame. Quite frankly,
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: the prosecutor and the team's bigg problem maybe having too
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: many texts and statements coming from who knows who. But again,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: sometimes Nancy, when there's not a severance and you've got
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: seven co defendants with high priced legal counsel, confusion. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: hate to use it, but that's part of the defense strategy.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: It wasn't me who punched him that caused the death causation.
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: It's co defendant Johnson who kicked him in the stomach
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: that caused the death. And that's what you're going to
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: see at trial. One quick thing, One quick thing. I
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: think they're all going to be treated as adults and
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: tried and as you call it, big boycourt. However, the
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: option of taking a defendant, a co defendant and treating
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: him as a juvenile is a very enticing situation for
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: a plea bargain. Keep that in mind.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: That's interesting because I've never been enticed ever to allow
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: a killer to play it out in genesis. I'm not
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: happy about the situation, but I did try a thirteen
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: year old for murder in adult court.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Did I like it?
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: No?
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Was in my duty? Yes?
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: Did he get convicted? Yes, because he jumped into a
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: pawn shop, stole a handful of dolt ropes gold chain,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: shot three people, killing one and leaving the other one
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: in a wheelchair in a colostomy back for the rest
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of his life. Hell no, he's not being treated as
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a juvenile. That said, I've never heard of too much
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: evidence for the state, But thank you for floating another
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: defense theory.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: The woman who made the initial nine to one one
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: call tried to get help for the teen boy victim.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Listen to her nine to one one call.
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Can we please get an officer at the corner of
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: one hundred and ninety seventh Place in Dada Palmers. There
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: is gotta be at least two hundred and fifty kiss here.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: You're walking the streets. We're not used to this. I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: not used to this in my neighborhood for being here
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: twenty five years. There's too many cars.
• 32:16
  Speaker 8: These kids are gonna hit each other.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: Someone's gonna get hurt, someone's gonna get it.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: With us an all star panel to make sense of
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: what we know right now? About the death of Preston Lord,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: a teen boy beaten dead. But first I want to
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: go to Gina Pintello, the neighbor who called nine one one.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Gina, it's amazing that you called.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: Nine one one and that you're joining us tonight, because
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: you know what, I've learned that the majority of people
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I don't get it, don't do anything. They stand by
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and watch or the video with their cell phone while
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: somebody is either raped or assaulted or murdered. But you didn't.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: And I want to start with that and say thank you. Jana,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: tell me what happened that night.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate that, and forgive my emotion and listening
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: to that and hearing you it brings back that evening.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: But we live at the entrance of the subdivision, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: there were dozens upon dozens upon dozens of cars parked
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: back to back every side of the street coming in
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: and out of the subdivision. Teenagers, large groups of teenagers
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: walking everywhere, you know, in a normally quiet neighborhood. It
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: was kind of shocking to walk out and see it's
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: kind of mass crowd forming and coming in and out
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: of the subdivision. My husband and I immediately said we
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: might want to call the police. And as soon as
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: we're saying that, we see the police actually come into
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: the subdivision. Within another five to ten minutes, we watched
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: the police circle the block and leaf, and you immediately
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: started teenes just continued to fill the neighborhood. You could
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: clearly see students or children walking with bottles cans, appear
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: to be intoxicated. Some were yelling, you know, and then we.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Started to see accidents yelling.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: You know, they were yelling things like, h don't get
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: drunk kids, you know, just appearing intoxicated and holding what
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: looked like cans up in the air, you know. So
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: you could see this was starting to get rowdy as
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: in the streets. And then within a few minutes of that,
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: you started we started seeing accidents. So now they're jam
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: packed in this neighborhood. Some are trying to get in
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: and out of the subdivision. You can't even turn off
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: the main road, and they start rear ending one another.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: They might hop out quickly look and then they're driving
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: away from these accidents. We hear another accident down the road,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: and then within seconds we start seeing groups of teams
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: jumping over our back fence or coming out of our backyard,
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: jumping into our front yard, running into cars, and I said,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: this is getting out of control. H We've got to
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: call nine one one, and that's and we need the
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: police back here. And that's when I made my call.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: And when I made that call, I didn't know at
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the same time the attack on Preston and the other
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: young boys was taking place. At that scene exact time with.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Me is Gina Pigntello who was speaking out, a boy
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: is dead. And can I tell you, Preston Lord, is
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the age of my twins, their whole life in front
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: of them. But instead of graduating from high school and
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: going on all these college tours I've got planned for them,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: it's over for him. And it's not just him that's gone.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: It's hopes, their dreams, all their energy, all their love,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: all their money into their boy. Preston Lord. When did
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: you learn, Gina Pintello, that a boy had been essentially
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: stopped dead in your neighborhood.
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my neighbors and I actually didn't learn the details
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: until Monday. So this occurred Saturday evening and we didn't
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: learn the details until Monday. You know, we began kind
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: of neighbors sharing text and the gofund me, Oh my goodness,
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: this poor young man is fighting for his life. And
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: then within a few hours we learned that that he
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: had died. Yeah, just we could have never you know, imagined.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: The parents were in it was their super Bowl, their
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: son was coming into his own all those years of
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: love and nurturing, and now this when you learned about
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: what happened to Jana?
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: What were you told? Did everybody know who did it?
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Pretty immediately I like to call them the kind of
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: parents of the East Valley began sharing and setting up
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: We've heard these names, We've seen these snapchat messages. Groups
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: started forming because we were getting no answers. But I
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: can tell you within those first few days, that first week,
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: the names we saw that were arrested were the same
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: names we saw within those first few days we heard
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: about the families like the Renters taking their son to
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: hide him up in the mountains, to hide injuries. These
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: parents that began gathering all this information, much of what
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: was in the police report released just last week. We
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: were learning and had and we're getting videos within that
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: first week of this incident happening.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: And joining me now esteemed forensic psychologists, Doctor Sherry Schwartz.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: She specializes in capital mitigation and victim advocacy. You can
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: find her at Panthermitigation dot com and she's the author.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: She literally wrote the book on criminal Behavior and another
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: book where law and psychology intersect. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, thank
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: you for being with us. I was saying at the beginning,
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: doctor Sherry, And I'm sure you can say much more
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: eloquently than I can. People do things in a group
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't normally do on their own.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: On their own, do I care?
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: No?
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: I care that this boy is dead and million the
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: millionaire at defendant's father has been hiding him out, and
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: a million dollar golf cabin. There's such a thing as
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: flight after a crime, where you hide from law enforcement.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: That never looks good. But can I talk to you?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Oh there, oooh that is nice. I want to talk
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: to you about the group mentality here and whether it
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: actually relates anyone a responsibility.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: Well.
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: I work, also, Nancy, on a lot of juvenile direct
• 39:07
  Speaker 12: file cases. When I say direct file, basically what I
• 39:10
  Speaker 12: mean is they're charged as an adult, and in my experience, no,
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: it doesn't absolve them of legal responsibility. I think people
• 39:18
  Speaker 12: can argue it doesn't absolve them of moral responsibility. I
• 39:22
  Speaker 12: expect that some super lawyers like Ray Jiudice will come
• 39:26
  Speaker 12: forth with arguments about juvenile brain and how their brain
• 39:30
  Speaker 12: isn't fully developed, and this can account for some of
• 39:33
  Speaker 12: the behavior. And there's group dynamics at work as well,
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  Speaker 12: such as mob mentality. There's always at least one or
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: two leaders. The larger the group, the less informed the
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: fringe members are. But they go along, they conform with
• 39:47
  Speaker 12: the behavior. But still at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 12: under the legal system, in my experience, this doesn't really
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  Speaker 12: much matter. They're going to be held accountable, just the
• 39:57
  Speaker 12: same as the person that starts.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've told myself a million times because it's easy,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: that my fiancee Keith didn't feel anything.
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  Speaker 1: When he was dying.
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  Speaker 2: He was shot five times in the face and the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: neck and the head, and I like to believe that,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: but I know inside.
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: That's not true. He had to feel at least the
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: first bullet. He had to know something horrible was happening.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: This is a teen.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, Preston Lord is dead and he's never coming back,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: and so help me God in heaven, there will be justice.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Let us stop and remember an American hero, Sergeant Nevada Crinky.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: He was shot dead end of Watch at just thirty
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  Speaker 2: three years old. Sheridan Wyoming father, a US veteran eight
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: years of service in Afghanistan. He survived by his wife,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Carla and his baby daughter, Bella. Nevada CREENK Nancy Gray
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  Speaker 2: signing off goodbye friend