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HIST 401: Offensive Greats Carved in Hokie Stone · Boundary Corner Podcast

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Welcome back to the boundary Corner podcast.
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As you know, I am Curtis Wilson and along with my partner, Brad
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Siegel, what's up? How you doing, buddy?
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All dude, living the life, man. Having a cold one, there you go
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there, you know, enjoying some little down time with the kids.
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We were playing Sonic and Mario at the Winter Olympic Games.
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You go day. Yeah, dude, we don't have the
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switch but we have We and those games are so fun with kids
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about, you know, wide and Jack's age and our kids age, and just
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had a blast doing with that over the weekend, man.
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Did a fancy take out, we, we did take out from toast off.
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Three Chinese food. You went up to him, we would
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Baby back ribs. I'll definitely do it and then
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just too because it's been a long week for Mama and Daddy.
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Jalapeno Margaritas, there you go.
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Delicious. So yeah.
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Pretty awesome. And some good weather played out
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with the kids, but Brian you sent me some pics, I guess being
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cooped up in the house for close to 30 days.
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You just had to get out, uh, look a little pilgrimage with
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the family took a day off from work.
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You know, I'm working from home, but I took a day off for Mexico,
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moved. Be plugged into my computer for
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a day. So we're like, you know, we've
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driven around Mechanicsville, went to the cable battlefields
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and just kind of got out of the house a little bit.
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A few times we were like let's change it up.
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Lets you know take a three-hour trip to Blacksburg walk around,
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walk around Lane, walk around the drill field, walk around the
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duck pond you know, get some fresh air but in a in the The
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mecca as it is. So, you know, we took the trip
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those. My son's first time and in
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Blacksburg you get a hit a ball. So it was a good time.
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Awesome. And I know you told me that the
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one weird thing was, especially, you know, me and you'd be in
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undergrads going to Tech and, you know, seeing our friends,
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the drill field. You.
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Every time you walk by, your Camp is always a ton of people
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out there. You told me like the area Spain
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was was when you went by there. And it was yeah, the go to the
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drill field. Phil and seeing like 30 people
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and like ten of those were, you know, like the guardian crew
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working on the mulching and Mowing and stuff like that.
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I was like, oh, this is a little little odd.
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Little, I'm not used to this like the most people, there were
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actually I think seniors from the 2020 class coming back to
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take senior portraits around campus.
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Nice, where do you hope your house?
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Get the hell away by? No, yes sir.
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Got a burger 81. A one Burger, can't go wrong.
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Cannot go wrong with that man. Well it sounds like we both ate
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very well this weekend and you definitely had an adventure and
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you know it's crazy things going on but we're still we're still
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looking at alive, still living our lives.
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Like he said, we we kept social distance for everybody but we
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just felt like we needed to change the scenery for a little
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bit. So Blacksburg was hey dude with
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one Kids, you know, I wouldn't even dare attempt that because
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it would be like a bomb going off at some point driving down
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81 on the way back or they're so good for you, too.
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Good for you. All right, so man, we have had a
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lot of things. Kind of been going down in the
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Hokie Nation this week on man. I'm going to start off straight
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out with you Bryan Justice. Reed committing yes sir.
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The big boy, the big boy rumored for a while.
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All he was the top transfer player in the country by most
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defensive end he played at Youngstown State.
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Last year, got 12 and a half sacks in the SES level guy had a
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crazy journey. I know you've just kind of
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reading up on him, we knew who he was but getting more details.
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The two major injuries early in his career when he was down in
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Florida, just started to for that.
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Be granted that tells you right there.
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The level of caliber player that he is that your You don't get
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her started to play defense of Florida for nothing.
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Exactly. And he got that rare seventh
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year of Eligibility and will be for the Hokies you know, tells a
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lot about what? Potentially tapped her on the
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Justin Hammer looking for in defensive end 63 to 70.
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This is matching the trend you, this is matching.
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The trend we've seen with longer and bigger defensive ends, but
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also guys that have speed can get off the edge.
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So it looks like we're moving away as per some of those Quick
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Gap, hitters and more of these big long guys they can get
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around the edge but also are long and can get separation for
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the running game as well. So yeah, I had a chance to look
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a little bit of this tape from Youngstown.
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So you know what you're seeing as I've already said already.
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I mean, we're talking about a long and fast player but he's a
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seasoned player. He's got multiple pass rush
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moves he can speed rush, you can rip, he can swim he's got a Spin
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Hill bulrush. He's got the dumb enough size
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and strength to bull rush here. So I'll be I like what I'm
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seeing from him. He uses his hands.
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Well knocks down lyman's hands and pass for pass rush.
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He does a great job of bringing his hands and creating
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separation from Lyman when he's trying to shed the Block in the
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running game. The thing I like to see is he
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looks like he's a smart player to, which is important.
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I think so. You know, when there's a tackle
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pulling, he read that quickly got into hip-hop.
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Pocket took the path to the running back as you stated, I
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mean he had two major injuries early in his career.
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So I mean there's always going to be a potential Health
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question mark just because of the that history.
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But I mean I like what I see because like I said, he trusts
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his eyes and with his reads and he does a really good job of
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making plays in the, in the pass game.
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But also he's going to guess the Russia's, well, he doesn't
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doesn't get eaten by blocks so that's important.
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Absolutely. Do you feel that you feel?
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He's weeks out our strong side. Just looking at the tape in.
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Is it going to be? Is it going to be him with
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Belmar him with gar? But how do you feel if when we
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roll out Liberty you know five months from now who's who is, is
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he opposite of someone? Or she rotating him I think he's
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going to be opposite, Garbutt. I think Belmar is going to be
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the odd man out in this case, in terms of the first two out
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there. Now I think you're still Gonna
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get heavy doses of Belmar but I think really is really good as
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kind of take over that role and make it his own and Belmar is
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probably going to come in there either as in a spell role or
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just to kind of switch up the looks.
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Okay. And like I said we've got some
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other guys coming into that are that are younger that might be
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pushing for some of this time as well but in terms of the first
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three guys out there, I think you're going to see reading
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garbett and then Belmar is going to be the guy that's working in.
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Nice. All right.
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Well you know is as nice as that was a few days before that.
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We got one on the outside then we got one on the inside big
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Pious. Martin out of Jacksonville,
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Arkansas, degree tackle, 63 318 pounds number three, ranked
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recruit in that state. Number 27, defensive tackle in
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the country at three star in potentially, I think this kids
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going to make it to a four-star before he signs that line
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because of what Did at the 24/7 combine where he got one of the,
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all combine team honors Braun. You looked at some of this tape.
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What is it, what's, what's the impressive part?
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And what can we look to probably clean up a little bit?
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The big thing is, he's got a quick first step for a guy, his
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size. He's, he gets in the whole
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shoots, the Gap with quickness. He's going to give a lot of
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people, a lot of problems, just because of that combination of
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quickness and size. That's going to be a big, big
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problem for centers and guards to handle.
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So I like that about him. He doesn't give a lot of ground,
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he's double team from what I can see on tape.
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He does have a couple areas where I'd like to see him and
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prove with his senior year particularly playing lower.
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Its, you know, it's common for a guy that big with that size and
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frame, you know, bending at the hips and staying low.
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So he'll need to work on that hip flexibility and just a keep
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Lower center of gravity and I'd like to see your maybe uses arms
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and hands better to create separation in the running game.
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But he does a really good job of just getting in the Gap and
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creating havoc and redirecting the running back and making the
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quarterback have to make a decision because he can't step
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up nice and Brian. It's telling us more and more as
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we look at how we recruited defensive tackle.
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I mean, we've said this in some episodes before we're trying to
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get big. Yeah, and it's One of those
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things where when I hear you say some of that stuff and how we're
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recruiting linebackers. And you know, you take a look at
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like will Johnson is probably going to pay their whipper
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outside linebacker. He's a smaller guy, probably
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going to play somewhere around to 15 to 20 but it's almost like
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well the goal isn't like the gaps anymore.
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The goal is we're going to clog and it's almost going to be
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where it used to be spilled. Two lanes it's going to be no we
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want to spill out there that's going to specific Lanes anymore.
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We're spilling outside because we're going to be so big up
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front. That's the gold.
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So it's great to see man. Let's move on dude.
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I sent you the article. I know you've read it, we're on
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the verge of potential free agency in football and
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basketball at the Collegiate level, the one-time weight,
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transfer waiver. It looks like that on for 20,
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for the NCAA is going to have the meeting according to Kindle
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Rogers at D1 base. If all.com with the vote
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probably happening in, May the rule in general, just grants a
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one-time. No, sit out for every sport.
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Brian, give me just a, from a guy who played collegiately, you
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know, you've had friends that played a levels guys, you
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coached. What's your take?
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The just this in general, just in general.
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What do you think it is? I mean, I think we saw this
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coming when we started with the transfer portal and we started
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with a little More of a loosening of that in terms of
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player flexibility, this is, this is just taking this a step
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further with not penalizing a kid for wanting to transfer
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before their, they obtain their degree from whatever their
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initial institution is or unless there's a coach or, you know, if
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they get a waiver, whether a coach leaves, or there's a
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medical situation or whatever it is, you know, this kind of takes
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those waivers out of play for a lot of these kids because now,
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you know, as long as it's within within grounds, they can go
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ahead and make them. Move.
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Now, for some players that might still be in their interest to
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still try to go, the waiver route, if they would apply just
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because it gives them flexibility in the future to use
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their one time the one time, you know, down the road, if they so
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desire, but I think it's good for players in terms of
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Institutions. I think in the short term, it's
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probably beneficial to us because now we don't have to sit
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and wait, mrs. Hester weather-ready, blacks
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year is going to be eligible for the 2020 season because y'all
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know I hate this kid up since I heard that he was coming to play
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for the Hokies so that, that will take some of that suspense
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out of the game. Like, we had with Brock last
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year, waiting and waiting, and then getting bad news and then
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waiting for the appeal and then getting more bad news.
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So, That'll that'll take a lot of that out of it.
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Especially last year. Brock was a big, a big kid and
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we were excited to get him on the field.
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I think just like that, this year, we're excited to get
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Graham last year on the field and see what he can do.
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So not having to jump through those Hoops is going to be nice
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long term, you know? I'm not sure, I think as a fan
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base, we've had positive and negative responses to how the
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transfer portal is has treated the Hokies, I think.
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Year. One was rough.
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I think you're too. Has been better other than the
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potential miscommunication with what you fou said.
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After, whether whether the guys that were, there could come
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back. But outside of that, I think
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year to is went a lot better. So we'll see what the future
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holds, but I think in the short term, it's a win for us and long
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term. We'll see.
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I mean everybody else is Is going to be impacted that.
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So it's all going to be kind of a trickle down in a trickle up,
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depending on, you know, where these guys are and where they're
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trying to head to see now. So I think where we are
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currently in the pecking order of, you know, NCAA football, I
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think it's beneficial either way for us because, you know, you
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think about some of the guys, we go after five-star, we miss on
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the high fours that go to Ohio, state, Alabama.
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Well, they're probably still going to be going there but now
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those Almost half the out to say, wait a second.
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I don't like it here. Well, these guys sold me.
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They promised the, the Mercedes-Benz and oh yeah.
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Yeah, they're nothing. Like they acted on the road,
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man. I hate this, but it's also gone.
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Also open up doors for guys, slightly lower than us.
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Your two stars who are at a lower school, who said, I'm not
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getting the looks well. You know what?
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We got the ACC, we have great fan base as we Oil.
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So it's almost like, could we go start pecking?
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Those kids, I do think we need to get the recruiting department
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growing for this simple reason. You got to have a couple guys
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kind of to me looking at okay. Who are some of these smaller
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guys who probably if it would benefit from coming to a power 5
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school? Who have power Five Guys who
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were sold the Mercedes but given the pinto who's not happy with
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their situation. And I think we're in that spot
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right now. We're kind of beneficial because
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we're in that, you know, 20 to 30 range where we're competing
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but we're not getting you know, 10 5 Stars every year.
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So I like the way it shapes up for the Hokies.
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Now talked to me in two or three years, I could be like that.
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Yeah, these kids just transfer your whatever, I'm with you on
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all. But with you on one thing
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Because I think from a just a prestige level of our school,
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we're in a really good spot because we're not quite at the
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Blue Blood. Big dog era.
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But we've still got enough cloud and for Katie's where once guys
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are here, they kind of want to stay here.
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They're not looking to jump up. So I mean there's there's going
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to be a couple maybe here or there but that's going to be few
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and far between. Tween.
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So we're looking at. Maybe you guys want to step down
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a little bit because they're not seeing the playing time because
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they're behind 2 or 3 5 Star guys, that Bama or Florida or
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Clemson is recruited. And then, you know, like you
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said, you know, guys like justice read that maybe were
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journeyman or had some situations that cause them to
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play at a lower level looking at step up as they close things
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out. So I definitely think it can
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benefit us well in both directions.
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I'm just hoping that, you know, we Only end up with a situation
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where guys come to play forest for two years.
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Look pretty good and all of a sudden jump to a to a big dog.
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So we'll see how that goes. Well, that's true.
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But you also got to think with the big dogs, you know, they're
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always getting the five-star so if you you know your attack and
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you're doing well I want to go to state.
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Well dude, do you realize, you know, that's that's eleven five
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stars coming in for at your physician and we're not trying
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to say much but sometimes if the certain guys there they get a
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little differentiated with treatment.
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Some don't some do it's going to be a special case and with that
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I don't think that's going to be.
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Yeah, be widespread just because there's just from a Blueblood
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perspective, I don't think there's gonna be a lot of offers
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for that level of talent that late in the cycle because
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they're going to want to see how their recruiting class shakes
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out before they start looking at some of these transfers where as
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we're kind of building those transfers into our recruiting
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cycle, I go a little bit more because it helps us fill out our
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roster a little bit better. Absolutely.
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All right, Brian, my name is Oleg, wrote an article in the
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Roanoke Times concerning behind Willis, and the Duke game.
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And you texted me and said, you have something to say, I have
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some feelings about this feeling feeling, so, do we need to go
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ahead and put the E on this up? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Okay. All right.
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So this whole thing with, With I was injured but I was battling
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through it and I was trying to make myself, you know, there for
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the team, but I'll probably end up hurting the team.
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Is pretty much bullshit because At that point, he knew if he
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didn't play in that game, he was good while he picked and he
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didn't want to get while he pimped.
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So that's what happened. That's the long and short of it.
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Anything else is kind of bullshit.
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All due respect to Willis in this case.
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But that's, that's a, that's an explanation.
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After the fact that wasn't into me.
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That wasn't the situation. We were drowning a little bit
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before Duke, we were definitely drowning after dude, and he was
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worried about getting Wild. And he did, he did,
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unfortunately, for us freaking Duke happened and it makes me
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angry as a fan when I read that article.
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Because remember, that was, that was about yeah.
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Going to that game. It freaking, we walk out of
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Furman and we know he's hurt significantly and then gets to
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start that kidding. It's not one week of practice.
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He gets two full weeks of practice to and where it really
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irritates me as a fan is. Is you make the point of being
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Wally pipp? That is what it is, but you
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don't sacrifice your team like he did.
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Well, yeah, that's why. That's why it hurt me and hurt.
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The, the article her be worried it came off older than than that
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like I was trying to fight through this for the team.
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Like know you were trying to fight through this.
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So you didn't get while Egypt, you were trying to keep your job
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and it's you it wasn't like this was a minor ailment if you had a
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shoulder injury and you have a significant foot injury knowing
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that part of our offense are off some of these Zone reads where
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you got to shoot together you get Take off, you didn't look
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right in that game. So I know people feel like need
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you and a few people texted me but it just irritates me because
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if you take the projection of our season we're two and one
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going into that game you give him in those two weeks.
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He showed the Miami game he was ready.
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He goes to probably the Duke game and I know we got our asses
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smack that night. I know we did but I think that
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games completely different because you saw the next week
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with a confidence. Those guys play with hooker we
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probably win that game in the seasons of different story.
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Virginia game doesn't matter because we were in the coastal
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regardless, what happens there? So it irritates me from a
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hindsight fan perspective because you know, we talked
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about that was an honor 1020. Yeah, that wasn't honor 10.
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When Team without Ron Willis, we don't lose BC.
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We don't lose Duke and maybe it's hinders development.
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We don't lose UVA. Yeah.
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So. All right, I'm going to end my
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rant Aaron in with something, but, hey, this guy, Got the
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reply from the coach, what it further, what you mean?
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What if we throw at you? So first of all, I think one of
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foods, like maybe his jokey pieces is if he sees a famous
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artist he will like you saw the prince Drake thing, right?
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Yeah. So there's a picture of Angus
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Young and anyone that knows hard rock music.
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You know, Angus Young. What what is he tweet out?
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That's Axl Rose right with the like, what the goo Fe emoji on
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the inside. I just hit up and I said, hey,
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coach Appetite for Destruction or use your illusion and he pops
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back like, two minutes later Appetite for Destruction.
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But I always try to whistle patients.
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Boom in and patience is a great song, The whistling, it is
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tough. I do.
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Wonder if Axl Rose did that with one take but it was just like if
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again it's a different side of our coach, he's popping
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answering people and it was just kind of cool to see that I've
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got the Pain. So yeah, like, yeah, and
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appetite is as you know, from being a jack, malar, Miss Guns,
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and Roses fan. I'm a huge one as well.
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That is that, that is the best album cover to cover their.
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Oh, yeah. And I mean, what I love about
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that album is that it's the top selling debut album of all time
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and for the first eight months, no one paid any attention.
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No one paid any attention but then they went on tour with
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Aerosmith and all of a sudden then album sales started
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climbing it's like oh okay this I need to buy that album.
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Okay so literally favorite cut from the album man mr.
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Brown stone. Yeah, you we put in drunken
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conversation, you always say that.
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I'm always Paradise City. I don't know why, probably,
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because of the road, I lived on as a, as a kid and, you know,
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just just stuck with me. All right.
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So folks, we've been kind of typing it up this week.
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We are having a two-part series of the Hokey Mount Rushmore this
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week. We are starting with the
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offense. It's we did ourselves a favor
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made it a little bit easier by starting with the offense.
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Yes, if not, we would still be in delegation changer, probably
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discussing the offense but we will I will say this.
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The four guys you here today for me and Brian.
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These are unanimous. Yes, I think we had a slight
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different order, but these are the four guys, but we want to
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give some love to the honorable mentions.
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One of my honorable mentions did not make the list.
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Jump on great offensive, lime and All-American and FL.
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And you know, I get it, I get it.
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But you know, I want at least throw that out there.
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Jim was right there on the cusp for me.
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He did not make the top four now, Bryan with you, I believe
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both of yours or here, right? Yeah.
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Both of yours. Oh yeah.
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Alright, so the modern world, both of them made honor amended
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all the to that. I had honorable mention are both
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in the honorable mention category for us.
25:14
So we had we decided we wanted to have two, honorable mentions
25:18
and my two were were five and six and Curtis has, I think
25:23
we're with five and seven or six and seven.
25:26
So yes, I'm like that. Exactly.
25:27
Yes. So let's start it.
25:30
The first honorable mention main that man, that shares my last
25:35
name, mr. David Wilson bamboo Danville,
25:40
Virginia, George Washington, High School arrivals our Rivals.
25:45
Exactly guys, you played against, I didn't play against
25:49
David, but you played against some good guys there, Kenny
25:52
Lewis! Another holy Louis!
25:54
Another hooky! Exactly!
25:56
But the one thing I always kind of wood, stuck out to me, with
26:00
David, and one of our best friends coach, Robbie Compton
26:06
show of him, but he gambled, shout-out Campbell and got to
26:10
see David. Up close and personal as he was
26:12
coaching the defensive line at Halifax and man, he talked about
26:17
all these how fast he was. And don't get me wrong, David
26:22
was fast, I think it was like a 441 and if you if you remember
26:28
how David was built, David wasn't some skinny guy.
26:31
David was what right 5 11 and a half like to 10 and it was
26:36
muscle to run as fast as he could.
26:38
But dude what always got me and We've discussed this before and
26:43
always goes that Clemson ACC Championship game in one of
26:47
those runs what he went to the right kind of went back in a guy
26:51
called him, and dude, he's on one leg.
26:54
Continuing to move forward. And that balance?
26:57
Yes, man. Oh my God.
26:59
It was just like, he should have lost 15 yards.
27:01
He gained like eight because he kept his balance.
27:05
And then when he finally got a second foot down and took off
27:07
towards the corner, should have went to the ET freaks thing and
27:12
just watch that again. But you know I can still
27:16
ingrained in my mind that run. What about what do you think
27:20
about David? Yeah I mean you mentioned it the
27:22
balance. I mean there were several runs
27:24
throughout his career where like I had him by the shoulder pads,
27:29
maybe a foot off the ground but he's still got leg drive and
27:32
he's dragging this guy. I'm like, how are you still
27:35
moving forward with the guy literally, pulling your shoulder
27:38
pads to the ground? It was just It was amazing.
27:41
And then all the, all the clutch kick returns that he had, man.
27:47
I mean, the guy just has that rate.
27:50
Carry Your Vision on those kickoffs man.
27:53
I mean, probably, as good as we've ever had doing that since
27:59
I can remember. And just being a likable guy.
28:04
I mean, do with your lips and just, you're looking, like
28:08
always got a smile on his face. Everything he's doing I mean you
28:11
never saw the guy without a smile.
28:13
So I think mean career numbers aside I mean we're talking
28:16
career numbers of 2662 yards, rushing 363 receiving and 23
28:23
touchdowns. But I mean just what he did that
28:26
kind of carrying that team especially in the the 2011
28:29
season but also with two NFL talents and still being able to
28:33
break out in 2009 and 2010 as well.
28:37
So yeah and I mean in 2011 he won't ACC player the Year was
28:41
first team ACC you mentioned the career rushing he holds the
28:46
Virginia Tech you know single season rushing that year with
28:49
1709 and the kickoff returns. You mentioned 1324 yard which is
28:55
crazy. But 2010 when he was the primary
28:58
backup in 2010, well the primary backups 26 and a half yards per
29:05
kick return. That's insane.
29:08
That's literally insane. That's like saying, hey Hey even
29:11
in today's age to we're all just let it go in the end zone but
29:15
you know, don't worry about it. Let it go.
29:17
You better be careful kicking it to the end zone because he can
29:19
bring it out. And then he went on, you know,
29:22
first-round pick of the Giants. Unfortunately, that neck injury,
29:25
you know, stopped his career. But you know what?
29:27
Even through that, he never quit smiling.
29:29
He never quit, being a happy guy.
29:32
I got a chance. I think it was 14.
29:36
Yeah, 14 was a year like he played 12 and 13 in the neck
29:39
injury having 14, but he was up at Tech right there in the Hokie
29:43
Village. Next, Lane Stadium out there
29:45
talking to people had a chance and just just so happy, just so
29:48
engaging such a great man. Now Brian, your guy, we've
29:55
helped them up on our last episodes.
29:58
I want to give him a lot more height this week so honorable
30:03
mention number two, Lee Suggs, One half of The Untouchables,
30:10
I'm going to call him touchdown machines.
30:15
Oh God. Yeah, why do you say that his
30:21
two thousand year? Because score, 27 touchdowns.
30:25
Yeah, that means he's averaging two touchdowns a game.
30:29
So let's take you back to the. Let's take you back to the
30:31
beginning. So William flame high school
30:36
sophomore year, he was a defensive end and backup running
30:39
back. Starter goes down first Carry
30:42
70-yard touchdown. So there was birth, the least
30:46
the Lee Suggs myth. I've been chewin last episode he
30:50
truck my boy Jesse Rogers on his way to the endzone.
30:54
He did when Halifax played Fleming People were at the 1998,
31:01
vhs-c a All-Star game. People were mentioning his name
31:05
right next to Ronald, Curry and Michael Vick.
31:08
So restive, this, this was not a not somebody that to be fooled
31:13
around with even in high school, you know, saw some spots I'm
31:17
garbage time in the writing 1999 but Juggernaut in 2000, he just
31:22
mentioned 27, touchdowns 1,200 yards rushing It's pretty much
31:27
the whole 2001 season, he played in the one game that injured,
31:33
but then right back at it, especially with, with KJ in
31:37
there, The Untouchables. Yeah, thousand to Thirty one
31:41
thousand, three hundred, twenty-five yards and another 22
31:43
touchdowns, while splitting carries with arguably one of the
31:47
best running backs in the school history.
31:49
So, Lee was a beast man. And then he gets drafted in the
31:54
fourth round. The Browns, he plays the like
31:56
bleep late six or seven years. Pretty successful Lee was really
32:02
was awesome man. And, you know, like you spent in
32:06
last time, Lee ran was so much power but he had the sneaky
32:10
speed. Yeah you would just think Lee.
32:12
Just going to hit me and then he like turned on the Jets and it's
32:15
like oh God I wasn't prepared to get hit and now he's up the
32:19
field, he had a high A gear that you didn't see when he was
32:23
running between the tackles once he got past the linebacker
32:26
level, all of a sudden, oh, oh, he's got that gear.
32:29
Okay. Well, see you later touchdown.
32:33
Good night and y'all say this, you're lucky I missed bleah
32:39
because he was 02. My first game was 03 but still
32:41
remember Lee running on the TV man.
32:44
So all right. So folks we're here where we are
32:49
at the for we are at the More Rushmore poke offense and Brian.
32:56
I see here, you've wrote down, you're giving me the honor, you
32:59
have the honor, sir. Well the honor and I don't think
33:03
anyone will question this. The first man, that would be on
33:07
this. It would be Michael Vick.
33:11
I don't think there's a question.
33:12
There's no dispute there. All right, Michael Vick and all
33:16
these do this, I just feel like for people that might be
33:19
younger, listen to this, Michael Vick.
33:21
What News, Virginia Warwick High School.
33:24
This is the guy who put Virginia Tech in the upper echelon of
33:28
college football, there is no doubt about it. 95, we had the
33:32
Sugar Bowl, there was an Ascension, we were considered a
33:35
top 25 team, what Michael Vick did in 1999, put us at a level
33:41
that I think we, as fans strive to get back to.
33:45
Here's 22 and one, as a starter, Brian will go my Epitaph now.
33:48
Here we go. 1 for 2. In 1.
33:51
He lost to probably one of the greatest college football teams
33:54
of all time, in for state. That's his only loss ever ever,
33:58
and in my heart in my heart and my mind and my soul.
34:02
If he's playing in that 2000, Miami game in which we went to
34:06
war with them. Yep, we win that game.
34:09
We go play Oklahoma for the national title.
34:11
That is the way I feel grief grief and also he changed the
34:17
game of college football. Because for anybody, for the
34:20
first time you saw my Michael Vick.
34:22
And it whether it be the flick, and I mean that little just and
34:25
it would just start out or when he started running man, when he
34:29
started running, you got it. It wasn't you set back and
34:31
relaxed you got right on the edge of your seats.
34:34
And I was watching the third quarter of the national
34:37
championship game on acc Network the other night and Gary
34:41
Danielson who a lot of people pick on because you know, Gary's
34:44
older. Now he makes some some goofy
34:46
statements but he made a perfect summation of what Michael Vick
34:49
is. Michael Vick is Holy Grail of
34:52
cubies for this next century and I kind of sat there, and I
34:55
thought about that as I heard it, and he's right, if you take
34:58
a look, I want you to take a look at the four guys who were
35:02
in the finals of the NFL, this year.
35:04
Okay, thanks got that Jimmy Garoppolo you ever seen Jimmy's
35:08
throated they have too little snap.
35:10
It's a snap Jimmy's athletic to Mahomes with the big gun but an
35:14
athlete Lamar Lamar wasn't there this year, excuse me, but
35:19
Lamar's one of them 10 Anna Hill.
35:21
Who's an athletic Guy? This is this, this is what
35:25
happened. He literally changed the
35:26
position and I'm gonna get to his accolades after I throw it
35:30
over to you. But as BT fans, we know how good
35:34
he was. And when you in that game in
35:38
Morgantown, man, I still can remember it.
35:40
I can still visualize it, but that team was down.
35:46
It was, it was over there, probably everybody in the
35:50
country felt like, Cute story but it's over and what he did
35:54
there and that run down the side line is he's going in those
35:57
Defenders. Like we've got leverage on him
36:00
and do what he turned it into Jets went on and he went another
36:05
25 yards up field to get in range for Shane G field gold its
36:11
lore if that's cool. Absolutely.
36:14
And then watching the third quarter the other night did you
36:18
speechless because yes, Yes. Kendrick had the runs.
36:22
But when he ran those options that one option touchdown, dude.
36:25
Those guys weren't worried about.
36:26
Andre Kendrick and Andre kisses, good player in his writings of
36:29
e.t. player did. You can see they were coming off
36:31
and everybody's like what's it going to do pitch touchdown and
36:35
then they're like oh we gotta remember the other guys here,
36:37
cut him kicking yours at the field in a flick.
36:42
Sorry. But you gotta think about one of
36:44
the best teams ever. Took it as their role to shut
36:49
down. Michael Vick.
36:50
And they couldn't do it. They couldn't do that without.
36:54
That's what it was. I mean, they went, they went
36:57
into that game saying, we have to shut down, Michael Vick and
36:59
they still cannot do it. Now, they won the game but they
37:02
didn't stop bike. And I mean, we talked about the
37:06
the miracle Morgantown. I think of that run and I think
37:09
of the Beastie run because the PC run it advises everything
37:14
that Michael Vick could do as an athlete.
37:16
And everything kind of, you know, it encapsulated his
37:19
abilities and kind of how he played the game you know you had
37:23
to drop back, you had the Escape ability in the backfield there,
37:28
you had the get to the edge and then all of a sudden you had the
37:31
acceleration where they think they still got it, but they
37:35
don't, then there's the broken tackles and he cuts back to the
37:38
middle of the field and then one guy left.
37:40
I don't put on the spin cycle. Make this a little flashy.
37:44
Absolutely touchdown. And then some of those passes
37:48
over the top to Andre Davis this in.
37:51
We saw it early. And I think the one that
37:53
epitomizes him, most and this is his Pro game at pasta.
37:57
DeSean Jackson against the skins for like he literally threw that
38:00
ball. 76 yards on the fly. Yeah, and it was, it wasn't.
38:05
He got into it if you remember that it was like a little step
38:08
flick. He had settled in at the 5-yard
38:11
line and then just took a big step in flow.
38:13
Get. It was crazy and it's just like,
38:17
I remember doing that time Terry.
38:18
Davis, like, where Andre Gets behind the defense is like oh
38:21
Mike's going to put that on the money without a without a
38:23
question, just good. A good arm quarterback would
38:26
have had to like Crow Hop once or twice to get the ball that
38:29
far. Knock Mike, man, freak of
38:33
nature. Um, just to run down some of
38:35
his, the accolades, third and Heisman voting.
38:39
He should have won if the dead gum committee wasn't so staunch
38:43
as they were conservative. Yeah it's took eight years later
38:46
for a freshman to finally win. Mike deserve that trophy they.
38:50
Ron Dayne should literally drive to Newport News just like leave
38:54
it at Mike's Door and say it's yours do because for real it
38:57
should have been he was the Big East player 9 E9 long with the
39:02
Rookie of the Year. Another insane, stat, Rhonda.
39:06
Don't you think about how college football was 21 years
39:08
ago? He was, he led the, he led the
39:11
nation in passing efficiency? That's still third all time.
39:16
Do you think about 20 years ago, you could press you can hit
39:19
quarterbacks? He still third all-time 21 years
39:24
later when the game has significantly changed to more
39:28
Airaid Concepts, where it's guys are getting crazy stats.
39:32
Yeah, I mean, I know they're throwing more with their also
39:35
throwing more high percentage passes in with a lot more wide.
39:39
Open lanes. Exactly Archie Griffin award
39:44
that year, which is the NCAA MVP first pick in the draft numbers.
39:48
Again, they weren't mine. Bowling, thirty two, hundred
39:50
yards. Passing 21 touchdowns 1,200
39:53
yards, rushing 17, touchdowns the numbers aren't spectacular
39:56
but is hokey fans like us who have been fans for years.
40:00
We were running to 70% of the time with the elite or Kendricks
40:04
or some of those other was stiff was on those teams to.
40:08
Well I mean, look at, look at 2000 we just mentioned earlier,
40:10
I mean, 26th and 27th but how he opened everything up is, why
40:17
that year number seven offense in the country.
40:21
Again, a peak we desperately if we ever got back to with, you
40:25
know, some of the defensive talents, it would have been
40:28
over. So number one of one slap it on
40:33
the wall, boom, Mike Vick, I brown.
40:38
Well, I'm going with with, what I know here for, for our second,
40:44
not rough, more recipient here, and it's going to be Jake Grove.
40:49
Oh, yeah. J.Crew, Robes thinner, Jefferson
40:53
Forest, High School, product grew up on a cattle farm outside
40:57
of Lynchburg in Bedford County. We were taught, we talked about
41:01
the lunch pail with the defense, but if there's a offensive
41:04
player that epitomize lunch pail, it was this guy, we got
41:10
two offers coming out of high school, Virginia Tech, VMI, This
41:15
was an undersized player coming out of high school and went on
41:21
to be the one of the best centers that we've ever had.
41:24
Remington Trophy winner in 2003, first-team all-big, East
41:28
unanimous, All-American, five years in a row, super iron
41:32
hokey. This is a guy that again came in
41:35
undersized and then broke the center record for power clean
41:38
and Year One. So this is the type of ball in
41:43
that I'm talking about, I mean, and another thing, when you talk
41:46
about centers standing out to players and then sent to fans,
41:51
usually it's for the wrong reasons.
41:54
Usually, it's because they missed the line check or they
41:57
missed the block or something like that.
41:59
Bad snaps, Jake, Grove is a center that stood out for good
42:03
reasons. He was great at calling
42:04
protections. He was great at the Justin for
42:06
blitzes. And he was a guy that was
42:09
nicknamed, dirty and earned that title from time to time.
42:11
Time because he was willing to take you to the ground and you
42:17
got to like somebody that has that dog in them and is willing
42:20
to do what he needs to do to win.
42:22
Do what he needs to do for his team and do what he needs to do
42:24
for himself? He was drafted, second round by
42:28
the Oakland Raiders in 2004 and the Hokies retired his number in
42:32
2006. So, this is an all-time guy
42:35
here. And like I said, from a lunch
42:37
pail perspective, this is as good as it gets, on the
42:40
offensive side of the ball in my And I'm agreeing with you and
42:44
you said so much about it. And again, there's not a lot of
42:47
stats for Sinners but Jake anchored, those lines in those
42:51
years, at Virginia Tech, you know, 2002-2003, especially,
42:56
especially 2003 to the Virginia Tech Hall of Fame.
42:59
Drafted played six years, got banged up and didn't play as
43:02
long, but if you make the point, he he is one of those offensive
43:09
guys who had the lunch pail mentality.
43:12
He was one of those guys would have the old statement was
43:14
gentrified, right? Yeah.
43:16
Sighs coming out in high school and he grew into a mountain of a
43:20
man. And you know, again, we kind of
43:24
look back in those offensive lines were really, really good
43:28
back in the early 2000s with the guy like Grove and in Jake's.
43:33
Now, I think Jake's just living back in forest and coaching at
43:37
Jefferson for us. Because what else is there more
43:39
to do with a guy like that? And I'd love.
43:43
He's one of those guys that I'm sure you'd love to meet ya.
43:47
You love to me just as an offense.
43:48
Absolutely, to talk, just talk shop with him in.
43:53
You know, in I think I put him at ye how I want to say.
44:00
I put Jake it to you but have been to, I think I put him in
44:03
three. Okay, so there we go.
44:05
Yeah. So, but just because he was that
44:09
good and You know, you could argue say maybe maybe maybe the
44:17
best center in college football history.
44:19
I'm sure they can be arguments about that, but when you win the
44:21
Remington, you're definitely on the elite level.
44:24
You put your name in the conversation especially when you
44:26
block for guys, going out there and getting that many touchdowns
44:31
rushing to wrong, and, you know, winning those unanimous.
44:35
The unanimous All-American is the big thing for me on top of
44:38
the Remington is that, you know, that that Stu accolades side by
44:43
side, when you put them together and says a lot.
44:45
Oh, 100%. And you talk about being
44:48
unanimous and when you hear unanimous, I think what they're
44:52
there for All-American poles for 5:30.
44:55
There's a few out there. He was 11 every single one.
45:01
That's impressive. That's impressive.
45:06
All right. All right buddy.
45:08
I will throw this next. We'll meet you, man, so I know
45:11
this is near and dear to your heart.
45:13
Absolutely. I'm gonna let you take it away
45:15
and see, where we go from here. Yeah, that well that 2003 year,
45:20
when he was open and holes, he was opening holes for one, Kevin
45:24
Jones annexed on the Hokey Mount Rushmore, you know, Springfield
45:32
Pennsylvania, Cardinal O'Hara. Man, you know, last episode,
45:40
y'all know, the emotion with Kevin Jones.
45:41
Me first touching, I never saw on Lane stadium was Kevin, but
45:44
Kevin was the one one of the 2001 screwing class the 11.
45:49
Yep, nobody higher than and he was the US Army player the year.
45:55
We know about that game, we see it every year as we get into
45:58
January, to December. So he was there Player of the
46:02
Year and and dude, Kevin Jones. One's lived Pub to everything.
46:07
He was billed as everything. Yeah, absolutely.
46:12
And I think it's one of those things where, if people ever
46:15
question, hey, you know, Top guys, can't go to Tech and
46:20
succeed. Bullshit, not only did he
46:24
succeed, he went over the top, you know, I sit here and I think
46:30
about it. Brian you mentioned that Rutgers
46:32
Ron, and I had to go back and see it.
46:34
So I did and man that run is all encompassing of what he was as a
46:40
player. He was that short side run in
46:43
the blocks, didn't materialize, he stopped went back. 18 yards
46:49
behind the line of scrimmage in the next thing, you know, he's
46:53
starting to run away from guys and then yeah down there and
46:56
Rutgers thought they had in leveraged.
46:58
He made it look like he was going to go out.
47:00
He just talked about it last time that cut, he did that quick
47:03
cut left. Burners gone touchdown and, you
47:09
know, Kevin and you hear stories about Kevin, you see, Kevin
47:13
zeese, uh, successful guy. Now he just seems like the
47:17
nicest guy in but And just how he how he played.
47:24
Brian. Can I can, I can I just ask a
47:26
question? I love, I love email.
47:28
I love some of those guys from 2014.
47:31
Dude, what if he was honored for?
47:33
Yeah, it's true. It's true.
47:37
But what mean, you saw him in person like God, did I think in
47:41
the future? We're going to talk about the O
47:42
40 min more more depth so we'll get to love.
47:45
Sure, we'll get to that a little later.
47:47
Sounds well, but Yeah. Absolutely.
47:51
Absolutely no to bend that have been kind of the the icing on
47:55
the cake there. Yeah.
47:57
And career-wise, you know, 30 475 yards 35 TD's with only one
48:03
season as the primary starter and that was 03.
48:06
He was backing up li the first two years and then he split time
48:10
in 2002-2003, the big year, 1600, 47 yards, you know, 21
48:20
touchdown, which led the NCAA 5.9, / Rush, consensus
48:25
All-American, second all-time leading rusher, in Tech,
48:29
History, third, and single season, third and single game
48:34
with 241. That's just an insane number.
48:37
Whoo, first round draft pick by the lines and I stated before if
48:42
he doesn't get that limbs Frank injury, which caused some other
48:46
injuries, I really do believe. He would have been considered
48:50
one of the best running backs of that era of football and, you
48:56
know, twenty five and seven, man point seven, seven and yeah,
49:03
well, Kevin just love Kevin and he is the to me, he is the best
49:12
running back in Virginia Tech History.
49:16
Yeah, I mean there's so much you can say about Kevin.
49:17
I mean, you said it and I made a point on the last last time we
49:22
were talking about our first trip saline in the records room.
49:24
He said, that's what I kind of really, kind of everything
49:29
Hammer home for me was just watching, you know, Kevin Jones
49:32
and Lisa was just completely tear up a field going for 350
49:36
yards, rushing combined, I mean, that's, that's something I
49:39
didn't know that could happen in real life at that point.
49:43
So it was just, it was so cool to see and You know, Kevin was
49:47
always, he can make the big play but he also can make the good
49:50
play and I think that that was probably one thing that was
49:53
maybe underrated about him. Is that he knew he could hit the
49:56
home run. But he was out there.
49:57
Getting those tough yards to you didn't see it as much because we
50:01
got a lot of those tough yards early on him in the run.
50:04
But, you know, three was out there.
50:06
Getting those tough yards on his own to and I mean, he could do
50:09
it, he was really an all-purpose back.
50:10
That also had, you know, that that home run potential.
50:15
Lutely, man. All right, so let's go to the
50:18
final Stone. We have carved out on the hooky
50:22
Mount Rushmore. This is yours big guy.
50:25
This is mine, and it might be a little controversial, even
50:27
though it was Mutual between both of us to put him up here.
50:31
It was, it was Mutual. So in our last slot here, we're
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giving it to Tyrod Taylor five-star out of Hampton.
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Number one, dual-threat quarterback in the country.
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Number three overall Court. Like a country came to us.
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It came down to Virginia Tech in Florida, and he came to
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Virginia, Tech piggybacking off what Curtis said, that's kind of
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him. And Kevin Jones are kind of the
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two times. We've gotten those really big
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time five-star guys that really had no other affiliation with
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Virginia Tech other than one to be a part of it.
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Some some of what I'm going to tell here, is the sad story.
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I just got to tell the sad story so we can get to Nebraska and we
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can get to T10. So the sad story is that, you
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know, we probably should have had a neither 08 or 07 some sort
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of red shirt year for this guy and we didn't you shouldn't play
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burned his Redshirt against LSU, why?
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Sorry wrong. Yeah, yeah.
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Burn to the is Richard against LSU burned it again sophomore
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year against East. See you, because we wanted to
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chase 10 wins and meeting more offense before we started
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conference play. So, you know, we get to a
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situation where I think, in a lot of ways, we hamstrung his
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development, not only by burning those shirts, but by putting him
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in a timeshare once we did burn those shirts so that gets me to
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Sean Glennon. I feel like once we put him in
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over Shawn, we should have kept him in.
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I know he had a couple high ankle sprains they call Sean to
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get back in there but as soon as tie rod was ready to go he
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should have went full bore and I split time, I know he had that
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bad game against Duke where he threw five had five turnovers
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stick with your man. Anyway that gets us to 2009 the
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2009. What went down significant for
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Tyrod? Taylor was turnovers You know,
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what happened? Wins went up and we also had,
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it's not quite as spectacular as the miracle in Morgantown, but
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it was tie rods miracle in Morgantown the drive against
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Nebraska, the miracle in Blacksburg.
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Yes, sir. And I'm gonna, I'm gonna hold up
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for you. Any further did not see that
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live was at a wedding but my phone went insane sitting there
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at that reception table, man. I mean, so we get the, we get
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the long pass up, the sideline to set everything up and then
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tie rod dancing in the backfield.
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When's he going to throw it? Clock's.
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Ticking down clock and Dominican to breathing down his neck.
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Yes, sir. Su is coming.
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Dyrell Roberts. What's up?
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My man touchdown. There we go.
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It's okay. And what did Bill Ross?
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Say he did it. Just didn't see it live but
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called all the replays. But man, it just that, that was,
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that was kind of the thing that started turning the tide there.
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And I think and then 2010 really put all the pieces together as a
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full full quarterback for us. I mean, he had 2007 and 43 yards
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passing 24 touchdowns, only five picks, another 659 yards,
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rushing and five touchdowns career numbers. 7,000 17 yards,
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forty four, touchdowns 2196 rushing, another 24 touchdowns,
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huh? I mean, the guy could do it all.
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He could run, he could pass the thing.
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You know, he came in as a dual threat.
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But the thing, a lot of people talked about throughout his
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career Virginia Tech and even in the prose is that he was a
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running quarterback that looked a past first.
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Even when he got out of the pocket, his eyes were downfield.
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He was looking to make the, make the right play, not just the
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play, that was athletic. He was Going to go out there and
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be a hero every play and he played with them the game
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despite his athleticism. So I think that's the thing
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that's underrated about him. And we've seen that even more in
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the NFL with him, being able to protect the ball, the way he
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does and how ball security is Paramount for him.
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Speaking of the NFL 6, round draft pick by the Baltimore
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Ravens and projected starter for the Chargers going into next
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season. Absolutely.
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And remember, he was the guy that took Buffalo back to the
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play. Laughs.
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Yeah, broad Taylor did that and tie rods, you know, he's a start
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early, he's been a leak. It's tough to think.
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He doesn't like 10 years now, and he could tell he's, I think
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tie rods probably going to play another five or six years
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because he is that consonant backup, who is a professional,
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who helps the younger guys, but who listen to the older?
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Guys? Like you with Philip, like he
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didn't complain anything about that.
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You just saw him. Just go work and help the team
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out as much as I can. And you talked about something.
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That did make tie rod great was, he was looking to pass now.
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He broke one off like member of that run against FSU at Lane
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where they were just, you could just tell that was like, the
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will breaker. Oh yeah.
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Oh yeah. But I go to the Stanford game in
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the Orange Bowl. He goes down the left.
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Sideline the scramble drill and he could have ran it probably
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got 10 yards. In been closed, it in make it
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closer for the first time but he kept looking at past and David
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Wilson broke in out and tie rods.
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Like, did that little spin move? And when he came back around, he
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fired it. And hit David right in the chest
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for a touchdown because he was wanted to be a quarterback.
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And like he said, no ties came in successful, has all the
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accolades. And just mean, tie rod was Kind
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of the guy that we got to see after we graduated.
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So we weren't always out, partying the night before
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sleeping. All part of the game during the
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day, but he was professional. And I've got a number 5 Jersey.
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That's my jersey. I'm not one of these people that
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buy a ton of jerseys, but when I came across that I said, I got
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to have it. I love tie rod as a player.
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He's also one of those guys trying that I'm sitting here.
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If you're talking about the 04 season we might have to do Do
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the whole what if this guy comes back in 2011, with David Wilson,
57:10
Danny Coale Jarrett Boykin and the potential Logan Thomas at
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tight end. Hmm, we might have another
57:15
episode in the bag there man. Man, the the national champion
57:23
that could have been there's like two or three of those and
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we can really talk about we lost two games that year.
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We lost two games, there about the Clemson, and there was a guy
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that was quarterback in Clemson at that time.
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That if we had done it right, would have been our backup.
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That's another time for another day.
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As we wrap up our poke Mount Rushmore of Michael Vick.
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Jake probe, Kevin Jones and Tyrod Taylor.
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We're tweeting out, give us your Mount Rushmore of Hopi,
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offensive players. And I want to see some names
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because these guys are the guys that encapsulated our
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generation. Now I look back, Carol, Dale,
58:05
Cyrus, Lawrence, couple other guys, too, but these this is our
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Cookies Mount Rushmore. So but give us.
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Yours, is there somebody we miss?
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Is there somebody that you feel is more deserving Brian walled
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City, In here doing this on a Tuesday night.
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Have we missed anything in the twittersphere any commitments?
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Any top tens, while we loosen, all the winds up?
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Nothing that's worth mentioning in the podcast, buddy.
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Nothing that's worth mentioning in the podcast, will maybe tweak
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some stuff out later, but I think we're good to go at this
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point. Awesome bud.
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Awesome. Well, that wraps up this episode
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of The Boundary Corner podcast, my name is Curtis Wilson, I'm
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Brian Sigler. As always we let Jason Long,
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play us out, catch him on Spotify and apple music.
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We thank you for listening and as always let's go.
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Okay. Wow.