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To give two weeks notice or to not give two weeks notice · Johnjay & Rich On Demand

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  Speaker 1: Hey, there's something going on. I want to bounce this
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  Speaker 1: off you. And Peyton, I think you got more information
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  Speaker 1: on this. Would you quit without giving two weeks notice? Apparently,
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  Speaker 1: younger workers are questioning the traditional two-week notice is actually necessary,
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  Speaker 1: especially when companies can fire you without giving you two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Lisa, what do you think on this?
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  Speaker 3: I am the type of person that actually puts in
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  Speaker 3: my two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: And thankfully, no one's ever fired me.
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  Speaker 3: When I put my two weeks in.
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  Speaker 2: Just to give them.
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  Speaker 3: Time to find someone, hopefully.
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  Speaker 4: Because that's kind of the thing, right? People are saying,
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  Speaker 4: I know a lot of Gen Z people, I've had
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  Speaker 4: friends that have done this before. It's like, why would
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  Speaker 4: I put my two weeks in when they don't give
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  Speaker 4: me a two weeks notice if they're going to fire
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  Speaker 4: me and now I'm out of a job? So that's
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  Speaker 4: where people are saying is like, do I need to
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  Speaker 4: give that courtesy of giving the two weeks, especially if
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  Speaker 4: I hate this place?
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  Speaker 5: I think it's more along the lines of like, you
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  Speaker 5: don't really want to burn.
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  Speaker 1: Bridges in business.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, no, you don't have to give the two weeks,
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  Speaker 5: but if you are expecting them to ever maybe, I
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  Speaker 5: don't know, give you a reference for another job or
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  Speaker 5: if that person goes into another business and then recognizes
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  Speaker 5: you and you're trying to get a job there, it
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  Speaker 5: may reflect poorly on you.
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  Speaker 2: I see it a little differently.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think it's about, I mean, that's a positive too,
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  Speaker 1: but I think it's the new company you're going, they're
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  Speaker 1: watching how you quit. So they're going to be like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you left them, you hung them out to dry. We're
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  Speaker 1: not going to invest too much time in you. We
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  Speaker 1: saw the way you screwed them over. So before I
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  Speaker 1: hire you, that's a big problem.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
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  Speaker 4: It's valid, but I find that so on point, Kyle,
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  Speaker 4: that you said, like, you don't want to burn bridges
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  Speaker 4: because Gen Z is like, the bridge is already on fire.
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  Speaker 1: Like, this place sucks. Yeah, you know, but you know.
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  Speaker 5: This place sucks, but you don't know who's working at
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  Speaker 5: that sucky place that is also going, oh, this place sucks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go over here and start this business.
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  Speaker 2: And then you're like, I want to work there.
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  Speaker 1: And they're like, oh.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, no, but I remember how you were there.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely valid. And I'm on the older end of Gen Z.
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  Speaker 4: I'm 28. I have a millennial sister. And so I
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  Speaker 4: have given my two weeks. Whenever I've quit or quit
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  Speaker 4: in a job, I give my two weeks. But there
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  Speaker 4: was one time when I was working at Topgolf and
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  Speaker 4: I told him, I said, I have my two weeks in,
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  Speaker 4: but I also need this day off. I'm giving it
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  Speaker 4: to you a month in advance. And they refused to
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  Speaker 4: give me the day off. And I was so mad.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I'm not coming back here anymore.
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  Speaker 4: It was my last day of work.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, if it was earlier, I would
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  Speaker 2: have left. You know what's funny?
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  Speaker 1: In the chat, I said, is not giving two weeks
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  Speaker 1: notice bad? We're having a debate on the air. And
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  Speaker 1: I said, we're having a debate on the air. So
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  Speaker 1: the chat doesn't think that I plan on quitting. So
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  Speaker 1: I had to be specific that we're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to be on the air. And it literally said
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  Speaker 2: exactly what Kyle just said. Almost word for word.
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  Speaker 1: Not giving two weeks notice isn't necessarily wrong, but it
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  Speaker 1: can burn a bridge.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So, Lisa, you've never given a day notice.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, there was once I quit because I told
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  Speaker 5: them I.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't work on specific days because I have an internship
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  Speaker 3: while I was in college. And they told me I
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  Speaker 3: had to come in.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, no, no.
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  Speaker 2: They're like, well, I'm going to write you up.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm like, fine, I quit.
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  Speaker 1: I was actually going to put my two.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks in the next day.
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  Speaker 4: Because my internship was giving me like full time after that.
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  Speaker 3: So I decided to quit right there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's different too. If they don't want your two weeks,
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  Speaker 6: that's up to the company too. But you should at
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  Speaker 6: least have the politeness and business to offer.
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  Speaker 4: Especially if like you're really needed at your job. Like
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  Speaker 4: I feel like when you have an important role and
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  Speaker 4: you kind of just like flip the desk and you're like,
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  Speaker 4: I'm done. Then you leave the rest of your team hanging,
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  Speaker 4: which can be a bad look. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Cause a lot of times you might have to train
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  Speaker 5: the next person. Some like, well, the majority of people
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  Speaker 5: around you probably don't know how to do your job.
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  Speaker 2: Has anybody here ever given outside of you paying less
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  Speaker 2: than two weeks?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have just one time and I still kind
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  Speaker 5: of feel guilty about it, but I've, I've talked about
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  Speaker 5: this before. I worked at a restaurant and I asked
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  Speaker 5: for the weekend off to go to Vegas with my
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  Speaker 5: girlfriends and they didn't let me. And then they called
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  Speaker 5: me and I said, just so you know, like I'm
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  Speaker 5: out of town this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, you're still on the schedule. And they
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  Speaker 2: called me when.
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  Speaker 5: They scheduled me and I was like literally at the
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  Speaker 5: airport and I was like, I'm at the airport and
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  Speaker 5: I'm not coming in.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, no show, no job.
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  Speaker 5: And I'm like, good, then I'm quit. I gotta like,
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  Speaker 5: I'm not coming back from the airport to come when
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  Speaker 5: I told you I wasn't coming.
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  Speaker 2: And I still feel kind of.
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  Speaker 1: Bad about that no I've always given two weeks I
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  Speaker 1: did my first job second job was at Carl's Jr.
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  Speaker 1: and the guy was such a jerk he's like I'm
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  Speaker 1: a jerk I know but he was using the a-hole
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  Speaker 1: word I'm a big a-hole I know I am but
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  Speaker 1: I need to do this I need to do that
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  Speaker 1: and I was like okay and I took the box
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  Speaker 1: I take these boxes out to the trash I took
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  Speaker 1: them out of the trash and then I walked home.
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  Speaker 2: In my Carl's Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Uniform after I collected my check for $ 49 that would
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  Speaker 1: be a magical place.
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  Speaker 2: To work Lisa thanks for calling in thanks for listening
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I asked Chachi Petit all this stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: it's so funny because I said on the air, and
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  Speaker 1: I think he knows what I do for a living.
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  Speaker 1: It's come up with a whole thing. It's like, debate
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  Speaker 1: of the day. Is quitting without two weeks' notice disrespectful,
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  Speaker 1: or do you owe your employer absolutely nothing? Then Chachi
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  Speaker 1: Petit goes on to say, my take. If the company
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  Speaker 1: treated you well, give notice when reasonably possible. It's a
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  Speaker 1: small professional courtesy that can protect your reputation, but I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't automatically label someone a bad person for leaving immediately.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: One important distinction.
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  Speaker 1: In Arizona, two weeks notice generally isn't legally required or
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  Speaker 1: for ordinary at-will employment, although a contract or particular circumstance
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  Speaker 1: may change that.
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  Speaker 6: Interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. Dan. Yes, hello. Hey, so you got a quitting
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  Speaker 2: in less than two weeks story?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. Quitting in less than like two minutes story.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: What happened?
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  Speaker 3: So I was working for the sandwich shop. It was
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  Speaker 3: like a mom and pop like cheesesteak place, right? And
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  Speaker 3: I made sandwiches. That's what they trade me on. That's
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  Speaker 3: what I knew how to do. And then it was
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  Speaker 3: really busy. And our fry cook person who made fries
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  Speaker 3: didn't show up. And they're like, hey, yo, can you
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  Speaker 3: just jump on fryer? And I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 3: know how to do this. Like, well, I don't. I
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  Speaker 3: could burn myself. Like, what am I supposed to do?
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  Speaker 3: They're like, just figure it out. And I was like, OK,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm trying my best. I'm getting like undercooked fries.
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting overcooked fries. The kitchen is Like, filling with smoke. And, like,
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  Speaker 3: they're yelling at me. They're like, come on, man.
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  Speaker 2: Where's those fries?
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  Speaker 3: Like, hey, I needed these before.
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  Speaker 1: Like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 3: And then at one point, one of my bosses goes,
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  Speaker 3: this is not for you. This is not for you.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, you're right.
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  Speaker 2: It's not.
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  Speaker 3: Took off my apron, dropped it, walked out.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. Very similar. Very similar to my Carl's Jr. story.
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  Speaker 2: Very similar.
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  Speaker 6: It's a timeline.
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  Speaker 2: It's a trajectory that matches. It's like a fast food thing.
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  Speaker 4: But that feeling sometimes when you just stand on business
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  Speaker 4: and you're like, I'm out of here. I'm tired of
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  Speaker 4: people treating me like this. And you just leave that
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  Speaker 4: power that you feel when you walk out.
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  Speaker 2: I almost did that yesterday during Minute to Win It.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think I grew up in a generation that
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  Speaker 6: we thought we have an opinion on standing on business.
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  Speaker 2: You just do what you're told.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Things have changed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so. All right, Dan. Thanks for calling in, brother.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks. Appreciate you guys.