Latest / The Scout and The Speculator / Dahl Thursday! Episode 2 - Grading, Gold Ink, and Should You Give Foul Balls to Children
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- Jaba: Hello everybody and welcome back to the Scout and the Speculator podcast. This is Will Jarvis, also known as Jabba Cards. Joined as always by my co-host Jeremy Brown of Perfect Game Baseball, also known as JGB underscore cards underscore. And I'm also joined by our third quasi co-host, if you'd like to call it that, Andrew Dahl of Prospect Pulse, also the sponsor of this podcast. at Doll Does Cards or ProspectPulse V one dot com and it's on the app store now. I just realized I've been failing to plug it on the app store. That's probably the easiest way that people will find it. I like using the website because I usually do it on my computer. But I know a lot of people were asking for an app for a while and I was like, Look, I'm not the tech guy. I I don't Jheremy: Hmm. Jaba: even know how to do that. but yeah, it's here. it's in the app store is what, just prospect pulse. yep. So Dahl: Yes, sir. Jaba: yeah. And like I said, as always, this is brought to you by prospectpulse.com. Or prospectpulse v1.com, rather. We just discussed the backstory behind the V1. best place for all of your Bowman data researching, aggregating, collecting, tracking needs. And yeah, we're pumped to have Dahl back. This is the second time we've had him on. We're trying to make it a recurring Thursday activity. It's October eighth, so we're we're a month out. I guess tomorrow we'll be one month out from twenty twenty six Bowman Chrome. So we're really getting to the time where things settle in. And yeah, Dahl, you got any any thoughts here a month post release? Dahl: Yeah, man. It's another release with almost ninety percent of the cards depreciating in value after almost a month from like release prices. as of yesterday, eighty four of ninety six were selling less now than they were a week after release. Which is pretty typical. You know, the first ones listed usually go pretty high, but it it never ceases to amaze me how much people are willing to pay for these prices knowing the same thing's going to happen year after year, release after release. Jaba: Right. Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: I mean, Luis Hernandez has already dropped from two hundred and forty five dollars to one hundred and twenty seven dollars. It's half off Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: what you were paying like a a month ago. Jheremy: Right. Jaba: Yeah, like i if you buy one at two fifty and it goes to authentication, by the time it shows up, it's probably maybe not half off, but it's getting there. I I mean, that's That's tough. And I w would you agree? I feel like, you know, it's obviously always been the case that they fall usually more than, you know, half the value. Would you say that this year, in your opinion, has been a bit faster kind of getting to that market equilibrium where prices settle in? Because I feel like and you know, this might just be recency bias, but I I feel like last year it kinda took six to eight weeks for guys to kind of settle in and fully kind of mellow out. out whereas now like a month out, like we even talked about this last week. I I feel like guys have kind of reached their their sitting point for the most part. Dahl: Yeah, it'll it'll be interesting to see how how things shape up in the marketplace if there is any further room for depreciation or if they have kind of bottomed out and we're gonna see them sit where they're at now. definitely feels like it's come down harder and faster this release though, but like you said, it it very well could just be that recency bias or it's it's the most recent release and the one that the we're watching the most. Jaba: Yeah, and I mean something we talked about yesterday is that Chrome, you know, obviously the most volatile of the releases, you know, draft obviously you have so much more data on all these guys. I don't wanna call the draft guys household names, 'cause I think you gotta be a real demon to be into kind of college baseball and the prospects, like, you know, someone like Jeremy who's you know, I feel like the people who know these guys like really, really know them. but I mean Chrome on the other hand it's like Like, you know, 17-year-olds that we have basically just a stat line, limited, if any, video. You get the pipeline international ranking write-up, and that's kind of it. So I I I wonder if the prices, you know, are coming down faster just because everyone's kind of thrown up their hands, like, okay, I I don't, you know, profess to be an expert at this. Let's just, you know, get everything kind of balanced out. Whereas draft, it's like, okay, like anyone opening a box knows they're chasing rock children. Everybody knows Von Lackey. you know, so I'll I'll be curious when draft comes around, and I I'm very glad we have Jeremy on our side for draft. I know last week some people were asking me, hey, why were you talking about the draft prospects? And Jeremy didn't say a word. It's because his computer wasn't working. You know, I know that I'm not the Jheremy: 'Cause I wasn't here. Jaba: guy people want to hear from there. I don't want to hear what I'm saying there, but you know, maybe I'll let Jeremy and Tom to get his computer working. Jheremy: That's right. I agree. Jaba: yeah, so one of the things I wanted to talk to you about today, I've been on a big gold ink kick. I love the gold ink cards, I think they look even sicker in person. Do you see any sort of trend with the gold inks now that this is what the third or fourth ro third release with them? of the gold inks and I think the red inks, this is the fourth release. I think they were new in Chrome Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: last year. Do you have any kind of thoughts on those two? Which one you prefer? And just like anything in that data? 'Cause I think a lot of people are fascinated by At least I am, so Dahl: Feels like the gold inks far outpace multipliers where like they're 50, 60x base values, which is pretty significant for an out of 15. I mean, you're looking at 10 out of 10s that are 25 time multipliers, and then gold ink is double that. I'm also pretty intrigued, like something different, and it's very unique. design on the card whereas you know the different variations and stuff they're all kind of the same with just a little bit of different coloring. This is significantly different. and Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: it's something that that is still pretty new that that I worry or not worried but that I think has a lot to do with it. Like you said, it's the what, the second or third release with a gold ink in it. Jaba: Yeah, I think it was 'cause I I think it was draft. Jheremy: Draft they they did have in last year's Chrome because I saw Yahil Melendez, the Cardinals the Cubs kid had them in a Instagram story, but they never put live and it was kind of like, What is this? Then come draft we actually saw them live, so there might be some last year's like Joe Spars floating around somewhere in the world. So who knows? Jaba: Could you imagine if one of those popped up on eBay? Jheremy: Just a couple of leaped out of the top top guys. Like a Rainy L just all of a sudden is there. But yeah. Jaba: It's like I I I think it's James Wood who Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: had the first autos with the Nats and then he got traded, so I guess er sorry, with the Padres Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: and then he got traded or s you know, no, 'cause I think his first autos were with the Padres still. But something happened. Jheremy: They were. But the year prior, yeah. Jaba: And yeah, I've seen some get backdoored out and Jheremy: Just like Xyur Hope. Jaba: Yeah. It it it's always funny, man. I'm like so I'll see people on Twitter being like, you know, you're committing a crime if you buy this. Like it's not supposed to be released. Like I I would love to have a Yoswar gold ink. And i if you want to haunt Jheremy: Right. Jaba: me off to jail for like I'd I'd go to jail for a month for a Yoswar gold ink. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: But like like the Bernie Madoff jail, not like, you know, Rikers. That's where I draw the line. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: Yeah, so I I mean the gold inks obviously they're sexy and I think you know, you look at the flip side of that and you're looking at the red ink with the black and white shimmer. And before I kinda kick it to you to talk about the data, I will say, you know, right when twenty six Bowman came out, I was like, okay, these gold inks seem hot, these red inks seem hot. You know, I think that these are gonna be two huge things. And the red inks were much cheaper, so I was like, okay, I'm gonna get a bunch of red inks. that just, you know, Jheremy: Hmm. Jaba: six months out I can tell you, don't Don't do that. nobody Jheremy: Don't do it. Jaba: really wants They don't grade well. and the ones that do grade well, still nobody cares. I don't know if it's the fact that there's no number on it. You know, I've seen rumors of the print run being thirteen, fifteen. Doesn't really matter if there's no number on it. I mean I think people know that they're very rare, but I think the lack of number hurts, and yeah, they do grade terribly. I think it's probably the black and white shimmer, like there's some crazy print lines and stuff. But do you see like a huge difference on your end between the red inks and the gold inks? Dahl: yeah, for sure. I think before I get into the data, I wanna say that I've noticed some some discussion over the past few weeks of people talking just about the the shimmer in general being a tough grade, like almost Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: across the board. and I do think that like you said that not having that print run is devastating for the card's value because it very well could be out of thirteen, out of fifteen, Jaba: Right. Dahl: whatever it might be. But unless it says it, people aren't gonna believe it. They're always gonna have that more pessimistic view of it and think it's more Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: less limited than it really might be. Jheremy: Just like snackbacks, right? Like people love the snackbacks, but you don't know. It's there's twelve, there's thirteen like you don't know. Like unless Dahl: Right. Jheremy: you go there and count every sale and have an idea, but you can't 'cause you don't know which one if it's a repeat. So without the serial number I Dahl: Right. Jheremy: don't think people love that much or as much. Dahl: It feels like people almost need to be told what what the card's out of to understand and appreciate the actual value that that the card holds, you know. It Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: as far as like the the multipliers though, I mean looking at twenty twenty six Bowman, just 'cause it's had a decent amount of time to kind of settle in, the gold inks at forty nine point four ti four X with fifty five sales and the black and white shimmer red ink has a twenty one point nine X multiplier. with a hundred and fifteen sales. So the the volume's a little bit higher on the the red ink, but the multiplier is less than half of that of the gold ink. And they very well could be the same exact print run, for all we know. Jheremy: Right. Jaba: I'm actually surprised that the volume of the red inks is higher. I I gotta find those people buying It might have been paid actually. I might be the Jheremy: I think I think more players probably more players probably have the red ink too, right? I think the gold ink's more selective, I believe. Like a shorter checklist, so that could be why, like have a Miguel Mendez red ink. I don't think he has a gold ink. Like Glassroom Sad Bell er I guess he wasn't in that, so yeah, he doesn't have those, but he wouldn't. Yeah. Jaba: Yeah, they didn't even have Yeah, I mean like even like the Rockies, like they gave Sebasti Sebastian Blanco, I think Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: it is, the guy who's kind of staring off space in his Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: picture. He got a gold ink and Wielder Delees didn't. so I have some complaints about that. But yeah, I I I think you've gotta be right where I think the red ink is probably almost everybody. 'Cause like I've seen like Sir Jamison Jones red inks Jheremy: Mm-hmm. Jaba: but like yeah, you're seeing some like better guys, even if they were quiet names before the year. Like I do get why like Delease doesn't have like a every single auto 'cause like he wasn't as well known. but yeah, I guess the the checklist is shorter, but I mean if you Dahl: Yeah. Jaba: I I'm curious more, I I wanna hear you talk more as someone who has been grading a ton, like you were saying the shimmers are a tough grade. Do you have any like data on that? Like I I'm just curious like what you're hearing there. 'Cause I I think people, especially a month out from release, are probably grading more than usual. This is probably the time people are grading the most. And the fact that it's October and the season's over. Like what you know, what are your kind of thoughts there in general? I I'd love to hear just kind of every Dahl: No, I I think it's more just speculation that that's been discussed recently. I I tend not to grade anything that's not like a a true color as much at this point in time just with the prices of of grading. but I've seen a couple of people talking about how historically they've submitted these shimmer type cards and they're often getting eights or nines at the highest. And I think it has a lot to do with like what you said earlier about, you know, there's print lines there. And it's Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: easier to kind of hide these blemishes on like a surface level review of the card when there's so much going on on the design across the entire face. Right. These Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: imperfections are more difficult to see to the to the naked eye. I would have to like look into the specifics on the gem rates of different variations, but that could be a definitely a pretty interesting episode to discuss maybe next week or couple of weeks down the road from from today. Jaba: Yeah. Yeah and if any if anybody listening has even like personal anecdotes, if you have like data on your personal grading that you're willing to share. you know, either anonymously or not. I don't care. If you have anything to share, kinda to any degree, I think it would be super helpful. Obviously if you don't want to talk about it, totally get it. But, you know, I I do think people want to hear about grading and you know, the more experiences we can talk about the better. So if you're listening right now, don't be a stranger. But Jheremy: Uh-huh. Jaba: it's funny you said that because you were saying, you know, it's kinda easier for the imperfections to hide on the shimmers. And I I I've Grading a lot lately. And I have an order going out today, sitting right next to me, and like you're so right with what you said because like the true color, you can just see everything. Like, I don't even use like a jeweler's loop because I feel like if I do, I'll just get like paralyzed and start like freaking out over like anything. But I do look at it under a light box and I find that to be you know good enough. And I have a Gyder Suarez Red Wave and it's like when I take like a true color out to look at, you know, I kinda just use like the spray, wipe it down. If there's like smudges, I'll use like a little like Q-tip thing. But like the Gider Suarez red wave I kinda just pulled out of the mail, like wiped it performatively. And I was like, Well, I don't see anything, so I think it looks good. I'm like, you know, it's centered. Whereas like the true golds, I'm like agonizing, like looking for like little issues and specs. Whereas like the waves, it's like, I can't see it and then you remember that PSA can see it. And Jheremy: Hmm. Jaba: so now and now now I'm questioning myself. But yeah, stay tuned. We'll tell you guys in February how that goes. Hopefully February. Dahl: I remember like doing preliminary checks to to set aside a grading file and you see these cards and you feel like they're looking pretty good and then you go back over it with a little bit more of a critical eye and you're like, Well, am I missing something? Like it's just so it makes it so much more complicated when there's so much going on on the card and especially Jaba: Yeah. It i it's almost like cramming to write an essay in college and then you you look at it the next day after you submitted it and you're like, Jesus, like how how did that stay in there? You know, you're like you have like a sentence of just like notes to yourself and you're like, How how did I miss that? you know. So I feel Dahl: Right, right. Jaba: like you can just stare at it so long where you're like, Yep, looks good and then you look, you know, a day later after kinda having some time away from it, it's just like, god But yeah, I think grading is definitely something we wanna talk about a little bit. More, just Jheremy: Mm-hmm. Jaba: like generally speaking, in the future. If people have specific grading questions, happy to answer them. I mean, I'm not like high-end case breaks over here, but I do grade a good bit and I do okay on it. so I mean, if anybody has questions or wants to talk about it, I'm always happy to, and I'm sure that that extends to everyone. So I got an interesting list for you, doll. And I'm sure you probably have this pulled up or memorized, but I I I want to play. little bit of a game here. We got I got the most sales in the past week for 2026 Bowman Chrome and I'm curious how many of the top five you can name off the top of your head. Dahl: Are we talking Jaba: physical volume of sales, not not money. It's the money the money isn't even close. There's a guy at Jheremy: No. Jaba: fifty three grand and then the next one's at fifteen grand. The volume is all pu Dahl: There's a guy at fifty three grand over the last week. Jheremy: Of like total total sale. Dahl: Well I'd have to imagine it's Gomez, number one. He's been like Jaba: Yeah. So so Gomez is number two in volume of sales, hundred thirty nine, and yeah, he's done fifty three thousand five hundred and forty six dollars of sales in the past week. Jheremy: I'll go Dahl: my Jheremy: I'll go a step further for number one. He has a hundred and fifty nine sales, totaling nine thousand five hundred and seventy nine dollars. Dahl: man. Jaba: He's a divisive guy too, 'cause Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: Jeremy and I don't really like him, Bob does like him. Jheremy: He's in a big market. Dahl: Jeez, you guys are putting me on the spot f airing me Jheremy: Sure am. Dahl: out. Airing me out. Showing me that I don't read Bob's articles all the time. Jheremy: You literally almost just said his name. Jaba: Ha ha ha. Jheremy: With airing me out. Dahl: n Owen wait, what? Owen Ayers. Yeah. That's no, then I thought then Jheremy: Yeah, it's Owen Ayers. Owen airing me out. Yes. Jaba: You just said his first name. Dahl: then I was overthinking that I was saying his name wrong, dude. Jaba: Ha ha ha. Jheremy: No, Owen Ayers is the most transacted auto in the last seven days. Dahl: Yeah, that's a that's a divisive name for sure. You got Jheremy: Just being a twenty five Jaba: What do you think about Jheremy: year old catcher, right? Like Dahl: Yeah, I mean he's basically in a nursing home at this point, so it's hard to say like he's Jaba: Ha ha ha. Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: a my favorite by. But I Jheremy: Right. Jaba: Especially as a catcher, th those are some old legs back there. He's gonna be moving Dahl: Yeah, definitely some. Jheremy: Just like Jaba: to first base in like two years. Jheremy: Like in the Bowman world he's ancient and we kinda talked about that yesterday, right, Will? Where it's like if you're not seventeen or eighteen years old in Bowman Chrome, people just automatically assume you're not good 'cause you're too old for the product. When it's like, no, there are really good buys, you just have to like get past that mental block almost. Dahl: Yeah. Jaba: Yeah, like o like we said yesterday, like Austin Overn's like right around ten bucks. And like I I get, you know, him being a bit older, but like the numbers are really good even even with ghastly strikeouts. Dahl: I remember like I don't know why this name comes to mind, but I remember Dakota Jordan last year. People were like, He's too old to be buying and he was twenty two years old. It's Jheremy: Right. Dahl: like Yeah, I guess like it makes sense. Everyone wants to chase the the young guy with the upside who can add some weight and some power, but like this is an exciting player. Why are we putting him to the side because he's twenty two years old? Jaba: So Jheremy: Right. Jaba: I I remember that conversation because I was half of that argument that was on the Prospect Pulse Discord. Another reason to join Prospect Pulse. We have a lot of great conversation. But people were talking about Bo Davidson when he got really hot in like May, I think it was. And I was like, you know, he's like twenty four or whatever, you know, I just don't really see it. Which like I I was fairly wrong on. But then I was like, like, yeah, Dakota Jordan's like a level behind. But I feel like even with the strikeouts, like the tools are so loud and like that would be my pick. And everybody was like, That is insane. Like I I was getting I was getting torn apart. And then it turned out that they're both good. Obviously Bo Davidson made it to the majors. Dakota Jordan ended the year. Did he even get it to double A? I mean Jheremy: Think so. Jaba: But It it is funny, it's like once a guy hits like twenty three, like we're all just like Jheremy: Bait. Jaba: terrified. Jheremy: Yeah. I mean just like Dahl: Fascinating how the mind works in this hobby. Jheremy: I mean, even if you make the big leagues and do well, like we talked last week about McGonagall gonna win rookie of the year and his price autos are down from what they were preseason. Like the KG ones, like you saw that coming. That was not sustainable even if he was gonna win MVP this year. Like base autos Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: shouldn't be going for damn near close to four digits or whatever he was doing. Like it was absurd Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: at a certain point. But like just like what is what do you have to actually do? And if you take that step back of like What does he have to do to s to s to sustain this price? It's like there's literally nothing he can do. Or he's gonna have to do it for three straight years and you're not gonna wanna hold a card that long. So which is kind of interesting. Jaba: And I Well, I I have two things. So the first thing I did just now, I was like, I'm gonna look at the twenty twenty six first round first round of the draft and see if any of these like first round names are like a year older so that I can avoid And I found a fun fact, Derek Curiel out of LSU, fifth pick, he was born May twenty fourth of two thousand five. Jackson Flora, the fourth pick, was May twenty-fifth. And then Zion Rose, the sixth pick, was May twenty-sixth. So you got three straight Jheremy: So they're all right there. Jaba: guys born within a three-day period. So that's my Chris Hekopian is old. That's gonna be the Gavin Killen of next year. He's a twenty-two-year-old second baseman. I'm talking about the draft again. People are gonna get mad. Jheremy: We like it though. We take it. We we let it be. Jaba: All right, so so yeah, we're we're a month out here and doll I think people probably want to know you more than anyone, what is your buying strategy right now, or just your general thoughts on the release? Like what are you doing with twenty twenty six Chrome a month out? Dahl: we we kinda talked about this earlier, not not necessarily on the episode, but I still haven't really dove into twenty twenty six Bowman Chrome. like we kind of alluded to earlier, the market's been weird. It feels like it's dropping faster and harder than it ever has before. I really don't know what to do. I'm also not a huge fan of like a lot of the checklist. I mean I think it was last I checked thirty seven guys still in the DSL at the end of this year. Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: another twelve that haven't made it past the complex, so that's over fifty percent of the checklist that's still in the not even playing low A. and feels like more of a flyer and that's where it becomes a little bit hard to justify spending spending money on them. I I know like When I first started in this in this hobby, I was kinda buying whoever had good numbers wherever, right? And that definitely Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: burned me a lot when I'd buy a guy and then the next season he was designated for assignment or cut from the team and never signed again with a affiliate organization. Jaba: Yeah. Like you go to I L. B. and you just see like not active or Jheremy: Mm-hmm. Jaba: released. Dahl: Yeah. And it's like a shitty feeling 'cause then you're kinda just burning money at that point because nobody's Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: gonna buy those cards from you or if they do it'll be pennies on the dollar for what you paid for Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: so I'm really kinda just sitting patiently waiting to see how things shape up and kind of waiting to find my spots. I think a lot of the guys have dropped to a point where it's probably worth considering buying them. a lot of really, really cheap guys in this in this release already. Jheremy: Mm-hmm. Jaba: For sure. Dahl: where the the upside is probably worth the risk, right? But I'm just kinda sitting patiently waiting, seeing where the market goes over the next few weeks and then I'll kind of start buying ahead of the twenty twenty seven season. Jheremy: That's kinda that's something we talked about too. Like I think we're dipping into the time now where you can start buying some base autos and start building your war chest of them. kind of having a stockpile of them come, even Bomania time, just have ready to rip. They're gonna be liquid, they're gonna be easy to turn, you're gonna be getting into the season. So buy the buy cheap now and just hold Not not that none of these guys are gonna be quick flips, right? Like unless you find an Angebel like forty bucks and you can go double your money, like go for it. But those opportunities I also feel are getting farther and farther in between. but yeah, that's kind of where we're at is like now's probably the time. True colors will would you say true colors starting to dry up now? Like, or at least at reasonable prices, like the stuff that pops is up there. Jaba: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're it it basically went from, you know, ten auctions a night to now it's like all either bloated by now, where they either look okay but they're like, you know, two to three X comps or it's just kinda auctions of stuff where clearly someone got it early. assessed it, didn't like it. And I mean that's not to say all of those are worthless. I think, you know, most of us when we're like kind of screening stuff for grading, I think, you know, you can miss in both directions. at least myself, like I'm comfortable saying that. Like, personally I think I'm probably too strict with what I send. So, I mean, you can still get gems from that stuff, but like it's just gonna be so much harder. And like, you know, when I 'cause what I do is I just go on the Prospect Pulse site and I see what auctions are ending that night. You know, it used to just be like, you know, to use a number, call it like a thousand auctions and it was kinda like an equal ratio to every type of card. Now is when it's just like a lot of like, you know, green lava, purple, all that, and you're really digging to find you know, even listings of true color and the ones that are up you gotta look at a lot closer. Jheremy: Yep. Agree. Jaba: So Dahl, do you have any thoughts on the idea of buying like a prior release? Like right when a new product comes out, you know, like something I do. I'm not like a big tech guy, so whenever I need to get a new phone every like three years, I wait until like the newest iPhone comes out and then I buy like the the previous one, like the previous year's one. Do you think that there's like a window to be buying maybe say twenty five draft and twenty six Bowman right now? Like do you think people are kinda dumping all that to kinda you know, free up funds to chase the new fun stuff? Like i is that something you see on the site? Dahl: Yeah, it's definitely something I'm seeing on the site and I for those of of you who are in the Discord you've probably seen like I've been buying a lot of older releases. I think it extends even beyond twenty twenty five draft and twenty six Bowman. I think people have very short attention spans and as soon as the new shiny object releases, that's where all their attention goes. And very well could be the fact that they're dumping some of their other cards to have that capital to invest in the newer cards. But it feels like every night there's there's auctions that are ending fifty percent under comps where I've been my buying strategy the past few weeks has been to literally put in max bids fifty percent less than comps and just hope. And it's worked out Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: to the point where I've gotten like ten or eleven different cards of different like tiers for fifty percent off. Jaba: Yeah, 'cause if you're doing enough volume on the fifty, you know, all it takes is like one one out of ten falling through the cracks and you're you're doing nicely. Dahl: Right. I mean you could go so far as to say that like I could just list it for twenty percent over what I paid and it's still pretty far under most other comps and it would still net like some small profit if that's how Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: you're trying to do it. I mean it really depends on what you're looking to do and how risk averse you are. But I think I talked about this last week. I don't know if it was only episode. I got a Levi Sterling base auto for sixteen dollars with shipping. The day I got it I listed it for fifty dollars, buy it now and it sold within a couple hours. So I made twenty one dollars on Jheremy: That's just easy money. Dahl: a card I spent sixteen on Jheremy: Right. And d didn't do anything other than open your mail package, put it on and put it right back in a package. Dahl: Exactly. I don't even think I scanned. Jheremy: Like it's Dahl: I think I might have just used the same listing photos. Jheremy: Right. And some of are just that easy. Like, I've had that happen, I think it was Charles McAdoo True Blue I bought. Like, got it up as soon as it came in, opened it, put it in the with the new label, sent it right back out. Like, those are those are the good ones that make you be like you pat yourself on the back when you get to do those types of flips. Dahl: Yeah. I've been trying to like just prove different use cases for the website though, and I feel like that's one of the ones that that is under v underappreciated in the sense that you could pay for your whole membership in thirty seconds just putting in a half off bid and hoping for the best. And it happens far more frequently than people are willing to it like Jheremy: Mm-hmm. Dahl: admit. And that's why auctions are pretty scary 'cause you never know where they're gonna finish, but Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: it opens the door to some opportunities for for buyers. Jheremy: And you can still find Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: some pretty good just quick buy it nows that people list up, don't they just want to get out of a card. the other day I had a Johansy Colombia true yellow go up for a buck fifty. And like I just slammed the buy it now button because the last one did two fifty. Some people don't know, some people don't care, some just want to get back whatever they can from a break, and that's that, you know? Or they're only doing orange or better, Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: whatever, so they're out there. You just gotta find them. You can put the time in to find them. Jaba: Yeah, and I I I think something that could be interesting in the future is kind of pulling together the guys who have dipped for no discernible reason and kind of shouting those guys out. But like just for example, I'm looking at like one of my favorites from twenty-five draft right now. A Devin Taylor base auto. I mean his average is still sitting at like thirty dollars. But last night someone binned a Devin Taylor base auto for twenty bucks. This is a guy who hit what? twenty-three home runs in the minors last year, he reached triple A, you know, nine four OPS across three levels. And it's like at twenty bucks, that's like where most of the tier two DSL names are. I mean, that's like you know, Diego Frontado or Jair Suarez or Joni L. Hernandez. It's just funny to me because obviously I think we all fall for the hyperbole a bit with the new release because these DSL guys, like you would say, Earlier, doll, you know, it's so easy to dream on and you know, you hear the pro comps, everyone's compared to J-Rodd or James Wood, or you know, some alien. And then it's like, okay, well, we got a guy who's, you know, twenty two or each triple A, could make the team out of spring next year. God knows what you know, spring looks like. Hopefully there is a spring. Spring training, at least. There will probably be a spring. but you know, I I do think just generally speaking, it's smart to keep an eye on older releases right now. Jeremy, you got anything Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: for Dahl? I've I I've been firing questions if I d I don't wanna take up all of our time here. If you got anything Jheremy: No, I mean No, you just keep talking and just keep letting it rip. I'm fine. I'll just stand here and watch. what where are you at with like the full names and the my first Bowman's? Like, is it more of a novelty thing, or do you think like there's a chance that they go up if the player does something? Like, I have the Daryl Morel looking at me, the purple first on print. Like, and it's a card that's like it's a cool card. It's probably a couple hundred bucks, it's nothing huge, but like there seems to be a collect. directors market, but I just don't know if it's more of like the snack pack. These are kinda cool. They are what they are or what. Dahl: Yeah, that's a great question. I honestly don't know what they are. Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: Like if it is that novelty or if it is, you know, this is technically a one of one card, right? They're not Jheremy: Right. Dahl: inscribing my first bowman on any other card or their full name on any other card unless you have some person doing it in person and like that's Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: not the same. So it's interesting to see how it's kinda shaped up and it feels like, you know, they're kind of extending the the unique inscriptions Jheremy: Mm-hmm. Dahl: and in in signatures across the board. So it'll be interesting to see how that market shapes up over over the next few releases. Jheremy: Yeah. I I just curious if they get treated like one of ones or kind of like novelties. You have the international first on print autos too, where they have the representacion de Santo Domingo or like their hometown. Just curious on stuff like that and like if they what was it, Fisher, I think Jabba we talked about, his first on print green sapphire, he put his like walk up song by the killers. I feel like that's maybe something they could expand to, but if they do too many of I also feel like it's gonna Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: from it, like if they keep adding a new color every year. First on print autos, Dahl: Yeah. Jheremy: like, yeah, like it was cool and now you're kinda beating a dead horse. So I'll be curious to see what they Dahl: Right. Jheremy: do with it. Dahl: Right. Like I think they my first Bowman's really cool because it was so unique when they first started to do it and then that's kind of extended further and further with now the representation cards on the international or the full names on the purples. But I mean, I think it's pretty cool. I'd say for now it's probably to be looked at more closely to like a one of one. But if it continues to happen then we're probably getting closer to like novelty watch because if every Jheremy: Right. Dahl: first on print has some different inscription then Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: they're not really that special at that point. Jheremy: Right. Jaba: Yeah, 'cause it's like true color with the variation where people are like, you know, there's only twenty five true oranges, but then if you add the variations there's a hundred. It's like if they make Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: everything I I think it's funny 'cause I think I mean it seems like Fisher's just like a card guy and he just like went a little rogue. Which Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: I think is fun, especially like you know, if it's like Jheremy: I think it's great. Jaba: if it's one guy per release and the fact that he hit fifty homers also helps. You know, it's not like it Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: was some random guy who, you know, didn't do much of anything. Not that it wouldn't be as fun, but I don't think anybody would really care. I do think it's fun having guys like Fisher who like collect, who kinda lean into it, and you know, they're having fun clearly signing stuff, but You know, like you said, the internationals, it's like, yeah, it it it's great that they do the inscribed ones. I love them. I bought a Samuel Serrano, it's like my favorite card I have right now. But it's like then they have like Slater de Brun International Refractors and it's California. Like it it's like Jheremy: I'm waiting to see what the stateside kids do with that first on print auto. Jaba: Yeah, 'cause i i i it's like it's cool for guys not from America, but I feel like you're going against the international refractor when you got the Santa Monica pier in the background. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: Like there was another guy from where? Like somewhere in like Middle America. Jheremy: Well you got Tallinn Haley and Cooper Pratt both have and they're from Mississippi. Alex Lodis is from Florida. Like there's enough of yeah. How about what what what about I'm looking now 'cause now I'm curious. Like by the a Gerangelo Since out of five Redemption International, but it's redemption. There's two of up, so you have a two in five shot of getting the full inscription. Just those being redemptions and so is Wandy. It's like you're playing the ultimate, like one does this card get made and two, could I get the first on print? Kind of a real gamble there I guess. Jaba: Yeah, I I wonder if there's like an E V exercise to be done. I don't have the wherewithal for that, but I'm sure someone someone might be playing the odds. But Jheremy: Well there's a Durang Gerangelo up for three K, a Gerangelo up for ninety seven five ninety seven fifty and ten K. So you could get three of right away for Jaba: Reasonable. Jheremy: twenty thousand dollars. But yeah. Jaba: Then you just don't Dahl: Just a casual Jaba: get it. Dahl: just a casual twenty thousand dollars. Jheremy: Right. And and s and you still get numbers two, three, and four. Yep. There's Jaba: Yeah, and then and then you don't get it goes to the game you paid twelve hundred on whatnot for one. Dahl: Yeah, that's Jheremy: a there's a couple of the inscribed up on eBay now though. Kinda Jaba: Yeah, that's Jheremy: cool. They are cool to see. Jaba: Yeah, Dover Burritos up. Jheremy: Manny Sidango's up for two K. Brito, like you said, Alexander Pio. Dahl: Think it's I think it's cool that he's from the Netherlands too. Like that's so unique in terms of Jaba: Who is? Dahl: Gerangelo. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: yeah yeah. Dahl: He's like that feels so unique for for minor league baseball right now. It feels like you're either from, you know, Latin America or the United States. Doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of talent coming from countries like the Netherlands, but it's cool. It's cool to see the game growing like that. Jheremy: He played in the Little League World Series too. Fun fact. Jaba: Yeah, 'cause I I feel like there were a lot of guys from the Nether Yeah. Like Kenley Jansen, Jheremy: He's from Curacao. Jaba: Albys, Bogarts, but I guess they're all from Yeah, and then like Drew Jones, who's obviously from Atlanta. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: But yeah, there haven't been any big younger guys out of the Netherlands or related areas. I guess Saddam Rafaela, but again that's curious out. Jheremy: Yeah. He and like like he he went to school, like in Florida too. Like he played in our all American game. We were very well aware of Dirangelo, like went through the draft, went to Mississippi State. That's a kid who's kind of done a whole lot of everything already, which is kinda cool. Like played in the Little League World Series internationally, came over here, played college in the SEC, got drafted, did the whole high school circuit. It's kinda cool and different. On top of throwing with both hands. So Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: Yeah, that's it's crazy. Jheremy: Man. Gotta love it. Dahl: kind of going back to something you said earlier, Will, I'd just like to give a a shout out to my Dense King, Gabriel. He's now down to three dollars a base auto. I think that's devastating. Jaba: Yeah, the oil. Dahl: Yeah. Our Dense King Jheremy: Is he really? Dahl: over at Prospect Post. Yeah. He had a card Jheremy: Man. Dahl: sell on the fifth for three dollars. I don't like he didn't have that bad of a season. I don't know why he's just never gained any any attention. I guess, you know, overweight. catcher probably doesn't help him, but Jaba: Hey, he's a third baseman now. Dahl: Okay, my bad, my bad. Jaba: He he was probably too big to stick back there. Jheremy: Poor fellow. Dahl: I mean Jaba: Well, J Jeremy and I were talking about him the other day and there was some picture of him. I don't know if it was like the Bridge League or what. But there is a picture of him and it i it was not. Did you see that? I mean I'm I Dahl: Yeah. Yeah, I did. Jaba: I I'm a bigger guy, you know, I could stand to lose a few, but like it kinda stopped me in my tracks. I was like, boy. You know. Dahl: I remember I this is so off topic, but I went to like one one of the last Fishercats games I went to this year. I was blown away watching Peyton Williams come up to bat bat his nick you know Jheremy: Mm. Dahl: his nickname? Jaba: No. Dahl: The Iowa Meat Truck Jheremy: yes. Yeah. I knew I knew he was from Iowa. Jaba: Holy Dahl: And he walks. Jaba: He also looks like he's like fifty. Dahl: He's dude, the umpire looked like a little boy next to him. He is huge. Jheremy: Yes. Very very much. Jaba: Jeremy, he's a perfect game guy. Jheremy: Correct. Jaba: Man. He stole a bag, good Dahl: It's Jaba: for him. Dahl: It's just one of those things where there's some guys that you can see watching them on on like the the T V or ML I L B dot T V that look huge but you you can't understand or appreciate how big they are until you see them in person and he was definitely Jaba: Yeah, Jheremy: Hm. Jaba: I mean that that was like when Cespitus was on the Mets. he he wasn't like you know big in the bad way, but like I remember like Cespitus walking up and he was like five ten, five eleven and you're like, That guy could like pick up a car. Like you're like, that is just not you know, some of these guys are just complete freaks. Maybe maybe we'll have Jeremy do something before the draft on if any of these guys are physical standouts. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: You know Jheremy: No there There's definitely some. Jaba: the the the scariometer. We can see how scared Jeremy is walking by them. Jheremy: All of them. They all scare me. Jaba: Jeremy's the guy getting bullied by thirteen year olds. Yeah. They're they Jheremy: Correct. Yeah. Dahl: I Jaba: c they they can be mean. Dahl: Dude, kids can be brutal. Jheremy: Ruthless. Dahl: but I bring up I bring up these big guys to kind of bring up another point, and that's like athleticism feels like it's starting to get a lot more value in this hobby where historically it's been really just about power, a little bit Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: about power hit, because you can't get to your power if you don't have a good hit tool. But now it feels like there's some more consideration of of athleticism where these guys who would be just power hitters aren't getting the same respect they would have historically because they're they're slower and there's some concern about their staying power in the field and you know, what what value does a permanent DH offer? Jaba: Right. Jheremy: Right. Jaba: Yeah, 'cause like you'll hear people talking, they're like, well, he's probably gonna move to first base and like obviously like, you know, when you're listening to like draft stuff and you hear them say it, it's like, Okay, like I see why you know, that could impact your draft stock, you know, moving from third base to first base, you know, in in the real life, you know, just looking at like war and how, you know, value is kind of created. But it yeah, it's like for the hobby now. It's like people even see like first baseman. Like when like Abimele Cortez came up, he was going nuts. Everybody was still just kinda like, Yeah, he's a first baseman. Like I don't want him. And even I mean, I I get the catcher thing 'cause they're always getting hurt. They're not playing in as many games, you know, even if they are healthy. Because like Rhino Rodriguez is just such a good pure hitter. I mean, the stuff he did as a 19-year-old in double A this year is just nuts. And I know that his market did bump up, but he even still, it's like, you know, if he was even playing like third base, I I I think there would be a huge premium. I think it's interesting. I mean, like you mentioned like athleticism really taking a front seat here. I wonder how much of that is, you know, seeing like the teams in the playoffs right now, right? Like the Brewers, the The Rays just swept the Yankees. You know, the Yankees are basically just a bunch of positionless hitters for the most part. And, you know, they're relying on power and nothing else. And then, you know, you look at like the Brewers and the Rays, where it's, you know, kind of just these athletes. Even the Guardians yesterday, I was watching the Guardians game. And like the whole lineup is just guys that had like a 750 OPS with 15 to 18 homers, hit like 247, and they play just really good defense. Like they just kept spawning guys. 'Cause like I obviously don't watch a ton of the Guardians and it's just like guy after guy is just like, he's a premium defender and you know, he's ten percent above average with the stick. And it's like these teams are just plugging in those guys, and obviously when you start as like a shortstop or center fielder, you're gonna have that versatility to move, you know, even if you can't stick there, you know, you'll stick at a quasi premium position. Jheremy: Mm. Jaba: But I do wonder how much like seeing like October baseball and what wins like kind of influences people because like you know teams like the brewers you see it all up and down the miners obviously andrew fisher's a bit of an exception with the you know ridiculous raw power but I mean like the Brewers are just so many athletes like Cooper Pratt where it's like really good MLB players like valuable players but I do wonder how much like you know the card market will go for because it's like Brian Rocchio like what does his base auto sell for like three dollars and it's like he's like a key part of that team it it's just funny to Yeah. Dahl: But you you touch on something that I think is like especially pertinent to to Bowman Chrome release and that's the the guys who start at shortstop or center field are probably the guys you wanna put at the top of your radar because they have the the the raw athleticism to be moved to anywhere else on the field. And so often when we're in these lower levels they're putting their best athletes at shortstop and center field. So I think that that carries a lot of a lot of weight and should be taken into consideration when you're you're looking at who to buy in these releases. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: Yeah, and I I mean Jeremy, you're the one that's around it. Like, would you say in your world, like, how how big is that premium on like up the middle guys? I is that something that's like gigantic importance? Jheremy: Like you you and I talked about doing an episode where you just blast me with a bunch of questions, right? And one of them would have been like, What's the first thing you look for even at an early age? Which I think doing thirteen fourteen, you kind of compare us to doing a Bowman Chrome because so many of these guys are having contracts locked up at thirteen, fourteen, fifteen years old. And the number one thing is athleticism. Like athleticism and body control. And like go figure you could ask me unbiasedly who's the best athlete you've ever seen at thirteen fourteen. It's Connor Griffin. Like, without a doubt, that is what drove his market even this past offseason was not because he hit the home runs or could play short, but like also he could run like very few can. I think he has the third best sprint speed in the MLB. Had a bunch of bags, closed in on thirty of them this year. Like it all added up to it, and he was a freak athlete. Like, these teams are paying athletes. You go look at the biggest bonuses, it's I mean, aside from Bolivar. You're not getting those catchers really that are getting the big bonuses. You're not you're not even seeing the first baseman, third base types really get the big bonuses. It's the up the middle types, the center fielders who can go get it. The there there's a lot of obvious glove first shortstop to come through. Or like just hit a little bit, get you into the complex, we'll get you stronger, get you out of the DSL, go shine defensively and just just hit two forty for us with try to s try to get to double digit home runs. Like the athletes are the ones who are getting paid the biggest bonuses. You can go look up and down year after year. It's gonna be that. And there's also pitchers that don't get paid because you can develop arms. You go, they're gonna buy they're gonna pay for the best athletes that they think have the arm speed, that they can teach the command, they can teach a secondary pitch to, they can work on repeatability once they get stronger because they are so weak, maybe their core doesn't allow them to repeat right now. We see that early. where it's just like a shit ton of arm speed and they can't control it yet because they are so young and weak. But you're buying the arm speed. So not to go into it all that much. I just think at the end of the day it all comes down to athleticism at the early ages. And I think Bowman Chrome is probably what relates the most to what I do in a day-to-day job seeing these kids at such an early age where I and I and I say all this with Angel Montas who's gonna absolutely destroy the mold in two years. being like the biggest like just bruiser there's ever been in Bowman Chrome and his base autos Jaba: All have you seen this did? Jheremy: his base autos are gonna make me go Dahl: Don't know that I have. Jheremy: poor. Just go I'll I'll put it in our group chat after just you gotta just go watch Angel Mantas videos. Jaba: Yeah. Yeah, just Google them right now. Go to Google Images on Angel Montas. I'll I'll do it along with you. Just Jheremy: He played in our 14U game as a 13 year old because he simply didn't need to do 13U. We had a home run derby at Jet Blue, which is an exact replica of Fenway Park. He's a left-handed hitter. It's not shallow to the bullpens out in right field. To win the derby, he had to hit two home runs. He did it on three swings and put one into the bullpen and one over the bullpen at 13 years old. Jaba: Ha ha. Dahl: That's crazy. Jheremy: Like he's got Jaba: Yeah. Jheremy: a he's got a he has a deal with the Blue Jays, I think I saw for almost six million. Like, he is gonna be the Bowman Chase in two years of Bowman Chrome. Knowing this info doesn't do any of us good because you can't buy future stocks yet of Bowman. But like, my god, if I could if I could spend every dollar I own right now on futures of his Bowman, I would. Just because I love him. I d Jaba: Yeah. I I I got the perfect game website pulled up here. You guys had his exit VLO at one two, two and a two and a half years ago. Jheremy: And that's off a T. That's that's hitting a stationary object with a wood bat. That is not a pitch coming in in game. That is purely thirteen year old generated exit velos off of a T, which is ridiculous. Jaba: Yeah, so if anyone's listening this late, there's your there's your little treat. Go go get on Calci baseball cards and put in your futures Jheremy: Yes. Jaba: on Angel Montas. Calci brought to you by Ronald Acuna Jr. I have some Jheremy: That's right. Jaba: thoughts about that. Dahl: Yeah. Jaba: I don't think it's great, but I also hate the Braves, so Dahl: You mean the best the best October hitter in the league? Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: I I saw today that AJ Pollack more recently has a postseason home run than Acunya. There was a list of like fifteen guys and it was just nuts. Yeah. Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: That's that's disgusting. That's disgusting. Jheremy: Pol Pollock's a Connecticut boy. Jaba: Yeah, he is. I think he's New Britain. Jheremy: You went to Notre Dame. Jaba: Hard hit hard hitting New Britain. Jheremy: Shouts out first first I think it's first Friday of every month. Good card show down there. At the Veterans Club. Yeah. Jaba: Is there? Yeah. But with the hard hitting New Britain, I gotta shout out my guy, New Met Gary Gilhill, from Money Earnin' Jheremy: That's right. Jaba: Mount Vernon. Jheremy: It is it is called the hard hit and card show as well, so but but Jaba: Is it? There we go. Alright, well do we we're we're closing in on an hour. I know that our episode last week did do very well in terms of listens, so I think people, you know, like hearing it. I think we try to keep it short form on kind of the data stuff and then these I think it's fun to just kinda get talking and, you know, see where we go. But yeah, unless you guys have anything more, I think we're good to wrap there and pick up next week. Jheremy: Yeah yeah, I gotta go back. Yeah. Dahl: I just got one more thing. I Jaba: Yeah. Dahl: I forgot to add this last week, but if you use the referral code DAL does D A H L D O E S on the sign up on prospectpost V one dot com or in the app, you get your first month free. Absolutely no charge, cancel any time. So if you've thought about trying us out, it's a free month, give us a shot, let me know what you think. I'm pretty reachable on Twitter and Discord. I like to hear feedback. I like to try and work with everyone to make it as easy as possible for you to use and figure out because I think you know, it's important to kinda to kinda hear that feedback and make the website the best we can. So give us a try, let us know what you think. Jaba: Yeah, and I I will say, you know, I've been on the Discord for a while. you know, talking to doll behind the scenes and I think a lot of people that kinda create something like this get very, you know, bristly when you're not criticizing necessarily, but giving constructive feedback and kinda like bringing up bugs and issues. Dahl is a very easy guy to talk to. He wants the site to be great and you know, I think if anybody has stuff I I would f you know feel very comfortable bringing it to him or bring it to me and I can bring it to him because, you know, I know he's extremely motivated to make this site as good as possible. And you know, anything anyone has, I think it would be a welcome. And use code Scout and Speculator and you can pay full price for a year. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: So that's our that's our special code. We'll give you a shout out on the podcast, but you gotta Dahl: We'll have to w we'll have to get you guys set up. Jaba: pay. Yeah. Jheremy: Doll, I got one question for you and then we're gonna wrap. One question. You Dahl: Yes. Jheremy: catch a foul ball at a Red Sox game, are you giving it to the six year old behind you or no? Dahl: Yes. Hundred percent yes. Jaba: Have you caught a foul ball before though? Dahl: No. I actually this here Fisher Cats game it was sitting next to my brother, went off his hands, I stood up and booed him and left the game because he's a bum, so Jheremy: Ha ha ha. Dahl: but I've never had the opportunity, so Jaba: I feel like in a Fisher Cats game too, it's like, you know, you can just kinda walk over and pick it up. I feel like it's not Jheremy: Yeah. Dahl: The b the ball just The ball just sat there, yeah. Yeah. The ball just sat there and Jaba: you know, as long as it's within three sections, you can just kinda go get it after the inning. Jheremy: Yeah. Nobody actually wants it. Dahl: none of us touched. Jaba: Y yeah. no one's picking it up until they're cleaning the stadium after the game. There's Dahl: Yeah. Jaba: a bunch of balls under these seats. Jheremy: Yeah. Jaba: Yeah. I think I don't know. I think it is annoying when someone sends their kid like twenty rows to go get it, but I do think you kinda have to give it to the kid, but Dahl: Pro the game, dude. Get the kids interested, you know? There was there's simple Jaba: Yeah, but like that kid at the Braves game isn't even lucid yet. Like like that Jheremy: Right. Jaba: was like a three-year-old. I like that guy had no idea what was going on. Like that baseball's Dahl: It's a fair point. Jaba: getting chewed on, pooped on. You know, I I don't know. I I see both sides of it. Alright, I'm gonna stop talking before I get myself in trouble. Thank you guys all for listening. We love you all. And go Mets, go Fisher Cats. See you guys.