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How to Build a Career That Doesn’t Depend on One Thing - Ep. 179 w/ Ed Jones II · Black Fridays: Business Growth for Entrepreneurs, Creators & Professionals

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  [SPEAKER_03]: and I was so frustrated that the coach had bailer wasn't allowing me to do my job.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He hired me to be assistant athletic director for player development.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So my boy Quinn was like, bro, why don't tell me we want a white board.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, tell me what you would do.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I go on there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we could do and we could do this.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you worried about this man.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You got a million dollar business.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I started to notice him.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I, on the matter, we would see him kid as a college and then they would come right back.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: As we start building stuff, I've always been passionate about athletes.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so it kind of just naturally happened into something going from like, I just want to help people to like, oh, I can consult to like, oh, this is a business where I can help even more people.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We're up there with Black Friday family.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to another installment of the Black Friday podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now that we got that business out of the way, I got a very special guest in town from out of town, coming all the way from Kansas City, Missouri.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So one cool is tapped in to players, athletes, and their development will be in.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Mr. Ed Jones, the second.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: How you doing today, my brother?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm good, I'm good, thank you for having me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Excited to be here.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What up, no.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What up, no.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: What up, no.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You ain't brain no.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Can't say the barbecue was before no.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I get in trouble with this again.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It's originally from Houston.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Texas barbecue is better than Kansas City.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: It is.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, significant.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, can't see the barbecue is good though.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It is good.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I say that there are some good spots.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So if I'm going to bring barbecue, I got to bring it from the long star state before I bring it from the city, but can't see it does have good work.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I get into it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'll be getting people we get.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We get into it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I leave it alone from my own safety.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So it you are here.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: You actually have well not a big announcement because already out there, but we'll talk about the player development summit in a minute, but I really want to know in terms of your experience and your journey through athletics where did you see an opportunity to be able to
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  [SPEAKER_02]: provide the services that you're doing in terms of being able to think about athletes, their personal development and down on the field, development as well.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: When did that get become apparent to you and then when did you decide you wanted to step up and do something about it?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's really great.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It originally started in college.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So my career ended way earlier than I wanted to, so I was at the University of Houston.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I had some friends around the football team and they just, we would spend time with them a lot of, I got a crazy story.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I walked on, went to the walk on the trail.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They really, really will.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't pick me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My friends around the team came to breakfast next morning.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Cust me out because they thought I missed the first workout off the road.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't pick me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So no, it had these relationships with players and I would just see like this missing piece in their life, like they would just how we'll go do it in terms of nickel, what you do with your internship, what do you do this, or we'll go to this event or be working on a resume and they kind of like, what's all that right, so I saw that early, got into coaching because I just look coaching, I was the player that.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Athletically I might not be as good as anybody else, but I was going to be on the field because I knew our entire playbook and what they were trying to do on the other side So coaching came naturally one of my coaches like, hey, you should coach my mom was all me about teaching because I like I can naturally teach And so I did that for six years a high school level and I just dove into like I started to notice him.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I all my mother We would sing kids to college and then they would come right back It was the point of a scholarship if you're coming right back in our finishing and so I was like what was going on and there's some there's got to be a disconnect there
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, as we start building stuff, I've always been passionate about athletes, like I love ball, I love the X's and I always but if players in the building, I want to spend time with players.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So, got hired at the University Houston to do player development, didn't know what I was doing and that's what I found together.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, oh, there's no resources.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: There were people I could talk to, but come on, the resources you know.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We try to talk people with sports.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Their schedule looks like this all this and some people ain't going to give you a gay keep a little bit.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was all right.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What I'm going to do is I'm a figure this thing out and I'm going to help people who get in this position and are in the same predicament.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was in 2016.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We sitting there and I'm like, all right, cool.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll never forget the moment I was like, yeah, I got to do something.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We're in a staff meeting.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Head coach talks to Strength Coach.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Strength Coach gives us update, talk to academics.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Activists give updates, sports medicine, update, dietitian, update.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: tickets of date, office coordinator of date, these is a coordinator of date.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, what you got?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Players are, you know, you're getting better coach.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody start a laugh.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, all right, there's no frameworks for this.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't know what I'm doing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And essentially, I don't know.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So that was the gap.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What's I found that gap of like, hey, there are some systems that will help people be better at the job.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I care so much about athletes that I don't want people to be prepared.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So they want a natural gap of like,
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My friends are missing something being a high school coach like there's this gap But he's guys going to college and coming back and then being in college like oh We need a system or resources for the person and it's real quick when you play ball What position did you go
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I was a D-Liamon.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, I was a D-Liamon, so I play, I could play all, we had a three-man front so I could play in, nose, and tackle.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, definitely two-down guy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Third down, it was giving me off the field.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: No pass, but it means I had a bull rest over there.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I used to act like I could hit my coach.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't even know the field.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's my challenge, you like.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I had a couple of sack opportunities, Mr.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, but you know, I just want to show my coach, if I got a sack, I probably got a 15-year appeal on you.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Get you going.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I play, D-line.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll sign up for O-line.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I wish I would have stayed there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, but it all worked out.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, based on your background, you're a love at a game and knowing a playbook and stuff, it seemed like online might have been perfect for you.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: So you got to be pretty smart to play online.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so it was just, I think some defend some of no offense because I played both.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But some defend some linemen, it's literally like you run through this wall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And or you, you figure out how to get around this wall.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, online, you really got to be, you got to be smart.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, somebody mentioned it so like when we do scouting with our D line I would literally turn it and it was like It's gonna be long as it jumped you'd best off as a lime and I played and I'm back in the guy And I heard somebody say this and I was like this makes sense They said to you point with D line and they say you got two type of people who get in the fights You got the people that get in the fights They'll just get into me got people who are protectors who won't mention nobody until you're protecting when I looked in my life I didn't I want no pig no fight, but you mentioned somebody I knew I was gonna do it and that's perfect for off its lime and it's like
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got a, I'm protecting who, who this, who this person is ball carry whoever behind me.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I wish I would stay there and it is another thing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I should have, my ninth grade or not, not great.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Fresh me fresh me in college.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm at the walk on trial this guy is six foot four.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This D line is six foot five.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He's six foot three.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I should have won over there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that bad.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was about ten and a time I had a gross part doing your college.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: During your college girlfriend, it's crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And a crazy thing is they wanted me out.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got down about 242.50.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They wanted me to come there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was doing internship in our executive assistant.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: She was doing cheap move to football.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I will go for you.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, Shirley, how you doing?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Hope all as well.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And Coach, someone who's a head coach is telling he could always just kind of look at me outside.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And she was like, you know, they want you to come out.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, hey, hey.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was enjoying being a student this first time my life you a student you get the I was enjoying a student life So it's like now I'm good.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got like 36 42 to 36 36 4 2 hours get up out of here I'm just gonna get out of here.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah
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  [SPEAKER_02]: And so, beyond the field, so tell us more about that in terms of, so we talked a little bit about where you were in your journey when you discovered these gaps, and they even talked us about what beyond the field is, and then once you decided to invest more into developing that, what was that journey like in terms of that, that point in your life at that pivot, yeah, so beyond the field started off, it's going to be crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'd, they told me, hey, we need you to present player development at a recruiting.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Visit to the recruits and their parents and I'm a marketing miner So you I didn't want to be oh, yeah, that's the player development guy So I'm like not just gonna be a program this gonna be they just got my mind three steps all that right So I was in a park allowed my guy Adam Cordaz you shout out to Adam he's worked for MLB and I was like Adam man I got to come up with something man.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I got to come with a program name.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like I got to show these parents That we're taking care of their players beyond the field
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was like, that's it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, what is that beyond the field?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, that's how I spent the whole night of like beyond the field.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I had three tenants because I'm a big personal three, because there's a study about the rule of three or they called the law of three to basically as kids we learn.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: First way we learn patterns is three's ABC, one, two, three, and all of three's.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was like, all right, so I spent that whole night.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, what are we going to do my three pillars?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I did some research on my head 10.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Ain't nobody remember 10.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, I thought about when my first hit coach had hired me, he told me three things, he said, I want you to take care of players, get into the community, get him some or job.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, all right, if we take care of the players, how can that lead people to personal ones?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's take care of overall.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Get him into the community.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, let's do more community impact and then get him some or jobs.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: If they need some or jobs, I'll probably not need jobs and they're done at career development.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I had my whole presentation ready.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I went up there and did it.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They was like, dang, that's pretty pretty good.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we did the Beyond The Field Program.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I fleshed it out at Houston for two years.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was awesome.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And we were getting a lot of things done.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Being a Houston all the Fortune 500 companies.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And alumni, we talked about Houston a little earlier.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just so much opportunity for our guys.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So much opportunity.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: ended up getting fired at Houston after a winning season and we're eight and five and got far above all the matter crazy.
• 10:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still kind of a little heard about that, but I go to Kansas.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We have this guest speaker.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He is a, his name is Dr. Kofi Smith.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He played football at Georgia Tech.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He was the president of the Atlanta Airlines terminal company.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm in Philadelphia, Jackson, which is the biggest, I think the biggest airport in America, Detroit might be speaking.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: But
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, he comes to speaks, and so he's sitting there in my office and hey can you break down what you're doing?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I go up to the board and just be on the field.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we do here.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is how we do this.
• 10:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he looked at me and he said, hey, you've been making this LLC.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Because by the time you're 40, this has gone blow up.
• 11:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm like, okay, bit, right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I did it for my birthday.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Made it LLC.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: start thinking about things like that, then COVID hit.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So COVID hit got a lot of time on my hands.
• 11:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I started writing.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It was this guy named Darren K. Roberts.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Dr. Darren K. Roberts, he's been only thin.
• 11:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: He had this like micro wins.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He has a book called micro wins.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's a hey, right, 250 words a day.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like health, family, work.
• 11:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was writing 250 words a day and end up writing my first evil.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that happened.
• 11:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, okay, there's something to start pick up traction.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: People like, man, I love your blogs.
• 11:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love this.
• 11:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I went to Baylor, and I fortunately Baylor was toxic.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't end up being what I was.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So after 11 months, I was let go, which is part of the game.
• 11:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so at that point, people were like, hey, man, you know, you got a business right?
• 11:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll never forget.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was talking to my homeboy, shout out to Queen Jordan, he's at Texas Tech.
• 11:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was so frustrated that the coach at Baylor wasn't allowing me to do my job.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: He hired me to be a Cincinnati Athletic Director for Player Development.
• 11:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: So my boy, Queen, was like, bro, right on.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Tell me, we want to whiteboard.
• 12:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: He said, tell me what you would do.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I go on there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: This is what we could do.
• 12:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you worried about this man.
• 12:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got a million dollar business and I was I don't I didn't see it at the time Yeah, you know, you get fired.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sitting there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't find jobs.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I was getting a lot of time Which is part of the game as well.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Once again people are forgiven So time went on in last couple years.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: How's it like you know what?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Do I really want to be in some ice office for 14 hours when I could be helping this school, this person, that person, that person.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's become a business as grown fast.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: We talked about it before.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really starting to put my business.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: My said, I don't revenue things like that, marketing, reach out sales.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: And so it kind of just naturally happened into something going from like I just want to help people to like oh I can consult to like oh this is a business where I can help even more people yeah and tell us about the services that you offer for these programs institutions players that you're able to work with absolutely so.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: As you do anything, as you know, you get so many frames and player development, I've done this, I've done academics, I've done so much.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So what happened is, I'd have a conversation with someone like you, and I'd talk about what I could do and I could see it sitting in your eyes.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just, I'm gone.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: They, they like, I like what you're doing, but I don't know what it is.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So I put it all in a framework and the framework is beyond.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: It's an acronym would be on.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So the beyond model is I consult with programs or individuals through consulting or coaching.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: through the beyond framework, the B is belonging.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: So let's find out how do you help your players belong?
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: How do you help players belong?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: How do you help parents belong?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever whoever you want to belong, you put in there.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The E is education.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What do we want to teach these athletes outside of the sport, right?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: Outside of education, they're getting at your high school or your college.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: What do we want to teach them?
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  [SPEAKER_03]: The Y is your purpose.
• 13:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got a little note of their purpose.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, with football athletes specifically,
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Once you're bigger, stronger, and faster than the other kids, everybody's already thinking.
• 13:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Especially this week and with the drive coming up, you know, yeah, it's going to be you, right?
• 13:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we got to find your purpose, even if that is true, who were you as a person?
• 14:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: The old was opportunities.
• 14:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: What opportunities can we create for you as a person and use being an athlete while you're on the field and off the field, which leads to the end, which is navigation, how do you navigate, come into a program, out of a program, into a sport, out of a sport, and then the D is development frameworks.
• 14:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's put all that together.
• 14:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: in the framework.
• 14:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what I do is I come and I help people progress.
• 14:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if it's a person that says, hey, I want to do what you did, I'm walking through beyond.
• 14:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's create you got to have your own process.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I had coaches, hey, I love it.
• 14:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: He do it for my program.
• 14:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm walking through beyond.
• 14:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's something finally for me to kind of get everything under one framework.
• 14:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that's what I do.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: I provide consulting.
• 14:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's me coming in with a program.
• 14:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, we're going to do this a couple
• 14:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I provide coaching, so if that's someone one on one, they're in the role they need to hey man, I got hired because what happens is coaches hired a former players, a situation like that or somebody they know like me and then they just say, go develop the athletes.
• 14:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a super bright statement, right?
• 14:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I provide coaching as well.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's also licensing, so if a district says, hey, we want your stuff.
• 15:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to do it our way, but let's do it in your deal.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's a lot of services there.
• 15:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then speaking of course, don't mind doing that, but for me, I like the coaching, the result and I like to teach.
• 15:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Very dope.
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then before we get into the next segment, I got a, we got to talk about the player to develop this summit, which is the first one kicked off in Kansas City last year.
• 15:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then now you very intentionally brought it to the city of Detroit.
• 15:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So tell us about the summit and why you bring it to Detroit in next month.
• 15:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, yeah, it started seven days.
• 15:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's crazy.
• 15:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 15:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I agree with you.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Connected it like how did they do it.
• 15:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I'm excited.
• 15:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: The player development summit first of all is a gathering of people in the world.
• 15:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we want people who are in the role, people who want to be in the role and people who want to help those in the world, right?
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's a gathering.
• 15:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: One thing I noticed was there's not a lot of like.
• 15:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Professional development for player development player engaged my people not there's two segments and I'm about to nerd out But there's I just do Natalie development people and they're the ones that are I'd let's say I'm using it.
• 16:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm using it myself.
• 16:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I actually know them person there So soon Natalie development that person responsible for all sports Let's get programming let's have this for all the athletes here, right?
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now whoever working for the University of Miami football team George Bias shout out to George I know
• 16:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's doing it for the specific team.
• 16:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been time with him recruiting.
• 16:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's been time with them throughout the year.
• 16:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: The coach, there's just different things that are accident.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: So for people who, I've been to a conference where people are doing it from athletic department shout out to Infra and it's good.
• 16:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got a lot of stuff there.
• 16:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's like, what about me and my coach who's all come here and that stuff sounds good.
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: But this guy wants this or what am I doing recruiting, different things like that?
• 16:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we wanted to gather people
• 16:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: have that opportunity.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's that's number one.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: What is what that framework is for?
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Our goals are to help people grow network and partners.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we want people to grow.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we'll have conversations about what is athletics look like.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And excuse me, college athletics looks like now.
• 17:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: When our conversation is about balance with this player development role, a lot of people can get swallowed up in the role and they forget who they are.
• 17:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to have conversations about international student athletes so we want people to grow into these topics and I'm thinking about doing topical stuff I'm not there yet.
• 17:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like multiple topics, but eventually we'll probably go topical for the entire summit.
• 17:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: We want people to network One of the things is when you're in the role, but if you're effective people don't know what you're doing because you've been stuff all people's desk And so they just see us.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, that's it.
• 17:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the guy that's always talking to people He always just chopping up.
• 17:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what is he doing when it happens?
• 17:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: It can be lonely.
• 17:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all we want people to have networks people
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, man.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm having a situation.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that kind of was a precursor for the summit was during COVID.
• 17:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: This guy, I wasn't going to boom game the idea.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, hey, man, you need to get with every single director player to be able to get him on a zoom call.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, why don't you do it?
• 17:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, you just connected everybody.
• 17:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I did it and we would jump on there 30 of us talking about how are you doing with, you know, COVID, how are you doing with, you know, what do you almost else protocol for this?
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: How are you getting this to the athletes?
• 18:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was great, right?
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it was just, we built relationships to this day.
• 18:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's people having met there to speak in who I met through that.
• 18:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited to see here at 37 days, so the network and peace.
• 18:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then the partner piece, there are people who can help.
• 18:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: partner with us, right?
• 18:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: There are financial companies, relocation companies, different company that are hiring athletes and they can partner with us and help us in the role, right?
• 18:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we could do that together.
• 18:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what the summit has become.
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a growing fast, but it's really, if anybody's interested in player development, if anybody's in a role, and wants to get more of there's athletic director out there, if somebody at the pro level, high school level collegial level youth level, it's open to us all.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We basically are there.
• 18:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And my definition of player development is the enhancement of athlete experience through holistic and intentional programs and initiatives.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we are a whole bunch of people that want to enhance the athlete experience.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: very dope.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm not necessarily in the space per se, but I have worked in athletics previously and then also for different sports organizations.
• 19:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it always has like a special place in my heart in terms of athletics.
• 19:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then of course being able to maximize the player's potential.
• 19:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then also, you know, not the brag.
• 19:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I did a coach and win and why you fly MCA team basketball team, even though we want to post a count points.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, we won every game.
• 19:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: We never lost the game.
• 19:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: But, you know,
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Neither here nor there.
• 19:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: I do plan on stopping by the event.
• 19:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: There is some great network and pieces that's going on in some topics that interest me.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then also people that we know in common have spoken very highly about the player development summit that's coming here.
• 19:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I know that you're partnering with Black Sports professionals.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Detroit who Jessica, yeah, Jessica has been on the platform before and then also my home I believe connected with Brett Hunter who connected us so yeah, so who's also very much in that space as well So definitely looking forward to that and then we gonna get into how people can make sure they tap in and pull up a little bit later But now I got an introduction my favorite part of Black Friday is we go freestyle Friday
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, um, I hope you didn't come here empty handed all the way from Kansas City.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know you're from ace town.
• 20:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: You got to have some bars with you somewhere.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to be able to, hey, so I can.
• 20:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: The crazy thing is I actually can freestyle.
• 20:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, my brother, so this is going to be crazy.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: My brother produced music.
• 20:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so he, like, went on tour of juvenile this month in Houston.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's been a while.
• 20:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like, I don't know if you ever want to be a baller.
• 20:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I call it a year that my younger brother actually wrapped.
• 20:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was telling the bartender today.
• 20:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was eating lunch at restaurant that my younger brother read.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I never get he came because I mean, this is guy at Elkens High School and they Travis Scott.
• 20:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Be a couple of months or whatever.
• 20:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then there's Kurt Cobain drinking my cup.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kurt used the legit, legit, being our house.
• 20:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: So his sister played basketball.
• 20:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
• 20:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I used to, I think, it not, I bullied him.
• 20:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I used to play video game and he said, best of all that.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Y'all leave me alone.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a one day.
• 21:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell him my young brother, man.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's almost pretty cool.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, bro, that's old buddy.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, that's it.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So got connections to people there.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I, I, I don't know a little back.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right.
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what a bar is there.
• 21:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to, yeah, you can give us.
• 21:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll take eight, six, whatever you get.
• 21:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
• 21:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, here we go.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Black Friday, I'm gonna do it my way.
• 21:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: Is that Eddie Jay coming from the ace to the kid to sit?
• 21:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey man, I may not be swayed, but I slow.
• 21:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Man, hold up, come and do your front dough.
• 21:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: My sit on the couch, call me a slut.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: But one thing, I got the drink in the pouch.
• 21:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's okay.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: be on the field makes it come on there it is, it's all out to you but actually given us some parts that was that was great, yeah, I had a few more but you know what I'm saying, it's pretty interesting, but it's all like I didn't realize this but like vocabulary, like the rappers have great vocabulary, so like I do out of vocab tests and when you want this rhyme and stuff it's all I'd be sitting there like.
• 22:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
• 22:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you got to make sure you don't say what they say, right?
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, usually you've got to hang on time.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we didn't, you know, you know, so I was sitting there.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You had to listen because he did with some idea.
• 22:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Boo, you trashed.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 22:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I might have always done.
• 22:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's that he had Jones.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Call me big bone.
• 22:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, I'm all up.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a set the time.
• 22:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then when everybody goes, man, or they need to get you kind of to slide.
• 22:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm in there.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: That ain't nobody here.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You need to stay with.
• 22:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I learned it man.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: For sure.
• 22:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so if you don't, I so typically freestyle Friday and people don't freestyle, I ask them some random questions about themselves.
• 23:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I want to ask just a few to use since you actually gave us some bars.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: So first, if there is a, if there was a professional athlete that you would have the opportunity to be able to take through your program and or work with and partner on some program and who would that athlete be in?
• 23:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why?
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Man, that's a good one.
• 23:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, that's a good one.
• 23:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go with who comes first to mine and it's and it's probably because My brockets, but Katie okay, Katie does a lot of stuff off the field with boardroom And I think there's a space.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would love to like sit there and go through the behind framework with Katie because I think that'll be like He'd be like oh snap and then he could help take it to others, but he's doing doing it well somebody that I would love to do it with
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's authentically himself, and I love it.
• 23:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I wonder how long he's going to have a space to authentically be himself, is Ant Edwards.
• 23:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, he's authentically himself, but also like, and you got kids watching you.
• 23:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, at some point, you're not going to be
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: 25-year-old aunt that could just spew it off or whatever, but I think he's got a good heart and so I think just that direction.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think for me and my experience a lot of people are afraid with athletes as caliber to kind of, hey, let's talk about this at that.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So to answer that question, yeah, that would be my one, two, but yeah.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, for sure.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And since you've been in Detroit multiple times,
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: The pride we talked about, I love the pride in the city, people born and raised, you're from Detroit, born and raised, right?
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Detroit is like, it was, it was interesting growing up.
• 24:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So Motown is just my parents Motown.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's gonna be like, I like history.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So the history, yeah, I just saw like, doing so he started doing history.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Detroit, they used to are seeing a sports pride.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just the pride and like, man, Detroit is gonna happen in Detroit, right?
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I think about Motown, like, ah, y'all gonna,
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, really, we're going to really get you out to this space.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You ain't going to have the exit.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cool, but, you know, like, or you think about, you know, someone who was like, the pistons teams at the 90s, like, ain't no little guy are supposed to, you know, you do the team.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just like, that stuff.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just as proud as the city just has this energy of like, we're going to get it done.
• 25:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah, even going back to, I nerd out on like the whole, like, forward, assembly line, all this stuff.
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so,
• 25:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's the pride of the city and it's good people here like yeah, one thing one reason why it's in Detroit and it could possibly be back Next year is just like the support we're getting like yeah, we're just like then what you need like we here So I appreciate that that's what's up and last but not least most random job you ever had or can't remember Oh, man Harvey Lobby Schilfer.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, never think that that was my first job at the Red Ring College.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was I'll never forget that I was
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, got my degree.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: They tell you, go to school, get you degree.
• 25:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get a job and I'm sitting there looking for jobs and they forget my uncle came and he was a manager at Hobby Lobby saying, man, hey, why are you looking for a job?
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's going to Hobby Lobby.
• 25:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, man, I, you know, I try to go to Hobby Lobby, but I still keep that name tag to this day.
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, just remind me of humble beginnings because it was pretty cool.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a great people there.
• 26:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had a teammate that worked there and they just seen him like, he just loved his job.
• 26:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they was just like, it's really humbling experience, but I'll never forget Hobby Lobby's shelf.
• 26:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's tell you learn a lot about the business.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's go.
• 26:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: We appreciate you for partaking in freestyle Friday.
• 26:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: We actually got some freestyle a lot of it.
• 26:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it made it even better.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I wanted to go back into questions about yourself and beyond the field as well.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we love to be able to know.
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: In your experience in coaching and doing your program and working with different organizations, athletes, etc., what has been the main thing that you've seen has been a deficit in terms of them being able to excel off the field.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I know that you mentioned that there were a lot of folks that even you came up with where you noticed that you would go to school, they would ball, and then they would be right back home, not too long after.
• 26:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so wonder and what were the key essential things that they're omissants are truly like elevate their lives, whether they decide whether they ended up born pro or decide to do, uh, continue athletics after school and be on.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, um, it's the biggest thing I love what you say because it's the biggest thing when I look at athletes, coaches, parents.
• 27:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's just awareness to the opportunity, right?
• 27:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think I used to think it's awareness to the reality, to the stats.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you're not going to the lead, right?
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody ain't going to lead.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think there's a misinformation near.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think people don't want to believe it.
• 27:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think it's still awareness of like, oh, it's all these other opportunities there.
• 27:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so when I'm looking at the guys I went to school with or the guys I'm talking to not, they just don't know.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't know.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: They just don't know what they don't know, right?
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because they see, oh, I'm a player.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is in the athlete.
• 27:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or I'm gonna do finances or I'm gonna do enterprise because they hire a lot of athletes They don't understand it so much.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: They see a company and they're like they don't realize companies have marketing and HR Communications and and sales and all that and so it's just like the awareness of that and then also Awareness of their own skillset and so one thing we did a great job everywhere I was at is a assessment of who you are like what are you good at?
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've never figured I had a conversation with a guy He's an NFL JT bullets.
• 28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was at Baylor outside JT.
• 28:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know you really good at communication, huh?
• 28:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, ah, coach, I hate a Rara God and I come to me.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, what you mean coach, I said, JT, every single person in our program talks to you from that ATERO freshman to the 65-year-old staff member we have, like you talk cross-general intergeneration.
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because you can communicate and I say, even though you're not a Rara God, when you do speak people listen and so is I.
• 28:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think about that coach.
• 28:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we talked about stuff like that.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, oh, we're in this.
• 28:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the biggest thing misses that awareness of not their strengths and their opportunities.
• 28:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then when you were athlete yourself, what do you feel like it was the same deficit or were there different challenges for you all?
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Back then, yeah, it definitely was the same deficit.
• 28:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I was just, you're so focused on stuff, right?
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And, you know, my look back in my career there's a lot of times I have, I look back in my career as like, man,
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know what a scholarship was like just just going base level.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know what a scholarship was.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that a scholarship would help you be dead free.
• 29:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that a scholarship would get you on a team.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You being as alumni, not work with this team.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like, for me, it was just like, oh, I'm going to be a lawyer or sports agent and it's like, well, what else could you do, right?
• 29:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it wasn't just an algorithm takes high school football, which is like,
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's funny.
• 29:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Football's got down there, and it's crazy, it's too loose.
• 29:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: But you just get so focused on Friday nights, and I'll let you miss the opportunities of like, oh man, that former player that talked to us, he owns a business.
• 29:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I should talk to him right because you can't even think about entrepreneur shit You don't even think about the work.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, he's always a business.
• 29:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, of course he holds a business He's from here like he played in an NFL right.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You think oh, it happens you like mouse Just work so Had definitely missed it then my peers did a good job of making me not miss it as much, but definitely missed it
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: What would you say for you mentioned, um, one of your former players that's currently in league for those who are able to ascend and make it to that professional level, um, especially in NFL, what differences do you see with them versus someone who may have for like a better turn if ended up back in home?
• 30:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like what are some of the things that the key differentiators?
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Aw, so self-starters, they get it done.
• 30:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's, so I look at it.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I
• 30:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Jalen Petrieza, a captain for the Houston Texas in Jake and Toro Benares, a captain for Buffalo Bills.
• 30:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: These guys, we're going in at Phil, Clearers Day.
• 30:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: they're going into their senior season, working on their MBAs, I'll never forget that we're going to play a big 12 championship.
• 30:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: We win a big 12 championship championship and they are in the hotel, getting their assignments ready for a big 12 championship.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they were just 3.9 GPA guys, they came in, they got, you know, their treatment and they took care of their bodies and this is a mindset of like
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not a, I tell people all the time, like when I was a high school coach, you're not everybody thinks a college scholarship is one step closer to NFL, no, you're just one step away from high school football.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what you do at the next level helps me to some mindset is they don't make excuses, but they understand, I think they also understand like the brevity of the situation.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not the project.
• 31:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not going to be doing reverse dogs.
• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I saw that.
• 31:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was like, it's more fun.
• 31:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and so they just, they understand their self-starters, they, their discipline, they understand opportunity in front of them.
• 31:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: They get around the right people.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a really, really big one.
• 31:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: They surround themselves around people, and they learn how to say no to people.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Who's want to look at our athletes, you know, how to athlete, unfortunately.
• 31:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: He made a decision, but he's the first.
• 31:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was at a big 10 school, first ever freshman to start an opening day, since Dick, but kiss.
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: First ever freshman from our high school, and I told our coach, he said, which one of these guys go in if I said him?
• 31:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, just keep that attitude of what my, I love them, but I didn't like them.
• 31:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he just, he made a choice.
• 31:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hang around the wrong guy who wasn't playing, did some stupid guy kicked out.
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: had a clear path to the NFL.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're a starting freshman in Big 10, you weren't in the NFL.
• 32:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's just like that, just surrounding.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he was all, whenever we challenged him, it was tough for me.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now we could just accept, just want to be like an accountability.
• 32:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: talk to me about the landscape for coaches who are actually who are the ones who are instilling not only a game plan with these players and athletes, but also having to work within the confines of what do they want on life or try to help them be better people if you're actually being a good coach.
• 32:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: What does that lifestyle kind of look like in terms of being able to
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the narrative of that culture don't have the best well being well in this habit is for themselves I'm wondering if you could kind of speak from that perspective a little bit.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, since you like articles take care of them to yes.
• 32:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that is
• 32:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big one.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's a big one and that somebody asked me last week like why didn't these players keep doing stuff?
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Also because they looking at the coaches looking at their coaches.
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah coaches saying that you should be good with your money But they're saying this coach go out here and Coach you don't need that.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Why are you wearing you at the casino every night?
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah like or People I'm not a people pocket because what coach you was wearing a team issue gear and I you ballistic y'all get out They're looking at best
• 33:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think I have to remind myself that coaches, mostly were former athletes, and they didn't get developed so they don't know how to do it.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: The other thing, too, that's tough for coaches who do want to develop their athletes in themselves, they don't have time.
• 33:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That five-year contract is not a two-year contract.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's tough.
• 33:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what I did in the role and what I wanted to grow into was like, not only doing player development, but program development.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, let me develop these coaches.
• 33:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I knew when we had speakers,
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: advisors, speaker, whatever education speaker for the players will love for y'all a more than welcome to come to Prover.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: They just didn't know.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hey coach, we got this person speaking and more than welcome to come.
• 33:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm working with coaches and I'm having conversations they coach like how you doing is how you doing it.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: How are we going to encourage coaches?
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's a coach he's actually with the Detroit Lions.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 34:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think about that.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's with the Lions.
• 34:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I just remember walking around and he's just such a great communicator, I just stopped and I said, man, you are a great communicator and I would like, you know, saying, if I play, you make me a better player.
• 34:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I'm speaking at this conference about player development and he's sitting there right now.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Every note, every note because he's like, man, and he said he's like, man, I wish I had known this as a player, but I need to know this is a coach because it's easier to help a player develop themselves when you've done it yourself.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, so there are some coaches like that coaches that take care of their like that whole beyond model like what's getting that model if a coach call sees this and says, hey I'm gonna get to my guys.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's work this beyond model for my coaches that same thing because at the end of the day it's human development, but
• 34:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: It would be better of coaches showed it, right?
• 34:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: You see situations, and I'm gonna say names, but professional football or a situation that came out, pretty glaring last couple of weeks.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Coach is talking about integrity and character and all that, and you do something like that.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like, what were we talking about, right?
• 35:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, it's always just like, I mean, I'm seeing, I've literally had players but off his leg.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Or he know we know what he did, right?
• 35:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey, listen, you talking to a Michigan alumni.
• 35:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I know it.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: That dude, you talking to him.
• 35:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just like, how do you, it's me, it's me, it's me.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it's me, it
• 35:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just said to me, because they would think they would judge players off the HEPA.
• 35:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, these guys are smart and you all think.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And they tell them me, now I can't tell you because you, I'm not going to tell you they tell me because you, you know, mostly you, you, you, you, you week, but they would be out of shreds.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: They know what's going on.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I always challenged coaches to like develop.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'll never forget one time I was, we had these 4.0 players at Kansas and I was trying to take pictures of them.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was, hey, I need to take pictures y'all before 2 o'clock, I need to get on a flight.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when the deal I'm at EX coach where you go on with the flight as I'm going to a conference I want to do professional development so I'd be better at my job.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, wait, you You go to get development to be better.
• 36:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: It helped us absolutely like I can't help y'all What I hope for myself is so he just he thought that he got the world of that
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he ended up being a captain for our team and making sure guys with the program like and so yeah, you got to think I shouldn't be making bad I watch the news and there's two things that I'm like as much as I want things to change I'm like man, he's coaching athletes.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm guys some good job security
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: They can't help themselves, man.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, especially at a school in Ohio that I won't name.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: They always have some interest in coaching, coaching, situation going on, but, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, a podium telling people about themselves.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Uh-huh.
• 36:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Tell me tell them it players me.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen it.
• 36:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's hard to go back in front of a group after you then.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But not as acting a fool.
• 36:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: Acting a fool.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can, you know, if you slipped the word,
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: because that's the decision you talk to me about difference between choices and mistakes.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You made a choice.
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah exactly.
• 37:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I got to ask you this because you work in the space.
• 37:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: So in IL, and really I want to talk about the transfer of Portland, honestly.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so why do you, you see a lot of athletes that bounce around from school to school nowadays because of the portal situation that NIA on the show is playing the factors as well.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: My thoughts about that is if you bounce around, if you own your
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: you just not that God, like it's not about the happen for you, but I'm curious as to if there's more that goes, I'm sure it's more that happens behind the scenes, or our kids just taking advantage of the opportunity to present it in front of them and just like something going shake somewhere, or is it more so a lack of things that you would be providing or a top tier program or coaching staff would provide in terms of, I'm going to show you the way so that, you know,
• 38:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's combination a lot.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: The number one thing I'll say is a lot of people don't realize those coaches tell those kids getting like kids can cut.
• 38:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, but I would say basically saying you better get it.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You better.
• 38:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, okay, but not at the level of what we're seeing.
• 38:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that is a that is a part, but it's not
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: as big.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like if let's say it's 4,000 kids in the portal, 3,000 did not get told there.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, I think there's a couple things there.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's aspect of like, man, you look at youth sports, man.
• 38:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like youth sports is people are afraid not to tell you it's all time.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: Even I was hiring people like I had to hire people.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't want to hear.
• 38:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to help athletes.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Don't want to hear that.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I need you to tell them no.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: or I need to tell them that's stupid.
• 38:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cause I would do the hey, hey, that is that stupid.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right?
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, if people don't want to do that, like, they don't want to do it.
• 38:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what happens is, is I less find the best situation for the player.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm never got a conversation with a kid.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was all for, you got to make the best decision for you because if the Houston Texas, I remember I told a kid at Kansas, he's a coach when I said, I can't make that decision for you.
• 38:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: because the Texas call me right now during this conversation and say hey we want you I'm walking out.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, dab you up home.
• 39:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: You do what I'm going.
• 39:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: You need to do a space now.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have had situations when I told kids like now you don't need to get in for it.
• 39:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, one square young man who.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: He wanted to be fluid made with it every weekend, okay, right?
• 39:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we had parameters around that and we work with it and he's I got to get in port a minimum, you need to be.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you you 36 hours away from graduate in another university in the country where you don't graduate, right?
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, man, you know, but you're not going to play some.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're just keeping your, you know, you didn't play here.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to play there.
• 39:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: You always hurt.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't take care of your body.
• 39:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: You like the part of your weekend.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not that we accept it.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: But we understand that's who you are.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 39:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to help you get past fitness like as you need help.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so you had those conversations and he's like, man, well, I'll just think I said, you know.
• 39:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not, I'm not a green one.
• 39:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I had to sign, I would sign, right?
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I think a part of it is, and this happens, and it's crazy, so one part of why it's talking about its parents, right?
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: And even when we used to, why is it a crude presentation about player development?
• 40:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking about player development.
• 40:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: People wouldn't pay attention with the parents.
• 40:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Can you get off your phone?
• 40:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: You would think if I, if I told you, I had to tell this group, you don't have to follow you, it's all athletes.
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not with the parents.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's all parents don't, some parents don't like seeing their kids go through stuff.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think there are positions where like, you know, I was talking about our when I was a university, so I was talking about baseball coach, she was on the, sorry, she was on the coach's staff and she was like, why did these kids get an important?
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, why the quarterback is getting an important for us?
• 40:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because once it's a guy, you ain't seen the field.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 40:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I said it's different because pictures, there's five pictures.
• 40:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I said, a pitcher, you could still pitch.
• 40:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a couple positions where it's like, all right.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: I have to go.
• 40:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want to play.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm okay with that.
• 40:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, four.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's different.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's a corner.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've been to seven schools.
• 40:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: Not you.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is you play.
• 40:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all, but even like something to that point, I've seen season quarterbacks basically get us.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can like, look, we got this new this freshman coming in or our transferred that we really, really want it.
• 41:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: And they basically like, we don't find you.
• 41:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: We don't help you get somewhere else, brother.
• 41:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's it's it's simple.
• 41:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, and I could
• 41:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I had a situation where we went in a QB battle, and we knew that kid one, we just messed up this kid, it was somewhere else, right?
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 41:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there's that, but I think at the basis of it, the majority of it is just resiliency, like, and then money, like we got to teach him money, all money and good money, right?
• 41:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, and now I can't tell nobody, if you make it 250, so I want to cookie you 1.2.
• 41:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Wait, wait, options, yeah.
• 41:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: You gotta, you're never gonna see this again, but I think like for instance, I was out in the conversation and I'm just gonna use this school.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: with someone that takes in him, takes in him, has one of the greatest alumni networks ever.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what's happening is because these athletes are transfers almost, they don't get to tap into their alumni, right?
• 41:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I went to takes in him for a year with the universe.
• 41:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: Houston, I went to rice and I finished a TSU.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: You want to learn that everywhere.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everywhere.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I might not accept you because you think about it.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: You got to start thinking about that.
• 41:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I like A&M.
• 42:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, and him has a bank where do you want to hang your hat at where do you want to exactly where in 10 years which one of these universes gone is going up benefit you most You not going to leave that can's clearly better Yeah, cool.
• 42:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I got I'm gonna stay here.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why I'm gonna get the notice billionaires these boosters I'm gonna start working on my business now So I'm getting plugged in get them connected nobody thinks like that.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're thinking are cool.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm making 250 an mm
• 42:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm gonna go to Houston because they gave me 400,000, and it's like I get it, but and I love my universe and I love the universe, Houston, and it was network is on the real unreal.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, do I really want to, you know, that's 150,000 dollar difference, I understand that's money now, but like if I'm looking at it along with me,
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he he
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Bama showed out like you got to be that guy if you're going to go somewhere from one year and they they welcome you You actually lend him bird.
• 43:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: We gonna always remember him over even though he spent his first three years for four years elsewhere Like so you really got to be that guy to be remembered that to your point.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love it Matthew Golden was at University Houston for three years, obviously.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: He went to Texas for one or two First round pick it a pack.
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yep
• 43:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I can't get mad at a guy.
• 43:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: If you move like you got to make decisions, it's like with the FCS guys, if I'm at this Wayne State, this Wayne State is going to be short.
• 43:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: If I'm in the Wayne State and I'm all coffers, defense alignment, and Michigan won't meet, you gotta go to Michigan.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you have to.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're going to find you anywhere, but you're not only going to make money in the league, you make some money now.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there are differences.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't mind the jumps like you said when guys are guys and they just want to, man, that's good, but there's a lot of it is like,
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen these portals and it's like, oh, so much I've been before we had three tackles.
• 43:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like someone's on a party, he goes, they're two.
• 43:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they don't think about that.
• 43:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, man.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: So what happens if you don't get picked up on a portal?
• 44:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think I'm going to talk about that.
• 44:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: That is something that I talked to people about.
• 44:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like there's there's an aspect of like,
• 44:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that's interesting, because when I left athletics, you had to, if a kid was deemed medically ineligible or whatever, maybe you had honor to scholarship.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: OK, I don't know if they honored if they get in the portal.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember when I was in it, that was a big discussion.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: okay a kid when the portal he didn't get picked up he went to school here he's in role he wants to since he didn't enroll he got in a portal's athlete he didn't necessarily lead the school so that's something that that that I'm looking at it's going to be some studies that coming out here soon there's there's a couple people who are doing studies on not only that but graduation rates so like yeah that the great plan was good at university Michigan mm-hmm
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: or central misgames, you're going to Michigan at the Green Plan.
• 44:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: You were a junior here at Central Michigan, and now you back to, you know, sophomore.
• 44:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So unfortunately, a lot of those kids don't, they don't get picked up.
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: They don't get picked up, and they sit there, and it's, it's the kids, like, I'm going back to what we talked about.
• 44:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: So do you go back to school or are you just not, you don't go back to school?
• 45:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, you're just in, you want purgatory?
• 45:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: You sit in there, man.
• 45:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hoping, you know, what you're worried for your next year.
• 45:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: way for the mic to come see your free stuff it's scary nobody thinks about that yeah everybody thinks like it's your point like oh yeah i'm gonna get in there and you don't realize oh jimmer oh yeah jimmer give it about to get here yeah by no means so it's it's sad but it's it's that and this is why i talked to our athletes about knowing how to say no knowing who's in it for you who's in it for themselves but how did this stuff they're young kids i know they're big and
• 45:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, my player six for seven two ninety five bill like a break house, right?
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's also 17 years old.
• 45:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's a kid, right?
• 45:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's brain and not fully deform.
• 45:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, deform.
• 45:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: All right, excuse me, develop development.
• 45:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so yeah, it's just like, yeah.
• 45:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: So talk to me about we're talking about player development, but one of the things you mentioned earlier is that really a lot of work is human development overall.
• 46:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm wondering if you could break down to us, if you have done any just training programming, anything like that for people who are not athletes and if so, what are the differences in terms of those conversations and what are some things that people need to think about for their own personal development that is transferable from athletics.
• 46:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that so my full-time job worked in nonprofit and I'm workshop facilitator and so a lot of it is developing people so essentially what I do is I help people get certification so let's say for instance I'm a high school graduate, I don't want to go to college but I want to get my CDL or maybe after my college school I got my CDL, I want to get whatever I need
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, I'm developing them, and I turn it into a locker room, essentially, because at the day they need direction, they need encouragement, they need a plan, they need to be held accountable.
• 46:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Now, it was different with athletes, and I'm learning this, like, athletes can be self-starters, right?
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some of my scholars and not self-starters, right?
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Some of them have never been held accountable before.
• 47:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: So, at least as athletes, somebody's coach, you should have coach at some point.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you have a person who I'm saying, hey, why would you show up with a pin?
• 47:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: They're like, I thought you was, I thought you was going to have a thing.
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: What you mean is that you don't have, right?
• 47:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know, Ashley's showing up without a helmet to football.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know what I'm saying?
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So like that aspect of like, oh, wow, like going back to the basics of like, this is what's accepted.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you should show up with a pin.
• 47:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: You should have a pin in your pocket.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so with my,
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: With that, let it's even though you do have to break it down from like, there's stories about job wouldn't be like, hey, we're gonna learn how to tie our shoes of insulin party.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, this is a football, like, even at that bare minimum for me, when I'm, you know, with human development, it's like, you got to go even, there's no like, oh, you didn't understand that you can show up like that.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, oh.
• 47:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: You didn't understand when you say it will be here from nine to 12, right, and so I I integrate like I know I can't coach him coach him, but I also kind of Coat from a little bit to like get asked on my haters.
• 48:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm very dissed expectation next time you I'll show up like I got pins today.
• 48:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't show up on pin.
• 48:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: You're not gonna be here.
• 48:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hmm, it's just like they say a lot of people have heard that right after you can hear that so
• 48:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think we're human development and I've seen this, why I have some people I know who working different fields where you're helping people in non-profits and they're very like caring is a good word, but it can be very enabling.
• 48:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: You have to help, but people need accountability and they need to be like, all right, we're going to help you, but you, you trip, right?
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 48:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so like I'll never get a teacher told me she said your students, because I worked at title title one school, so title one is 70% of students are free reduced lunch Okay, and so everywhere I worked out I worked at those schools when I was high school teacher and this teacher said kids don't Like don't dislike discipline.
• 48:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: They dislike inconsistent this So they knew when they came in and they hated me for the first three three months.
• 48:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: They knew I was hey sit up
• 49:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Sit up, sit up, bring your pills.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you coming here, go back out, do it again, do it again.
• 49:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was just like they knew they couldn't.
• 49:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it broke them in the day.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, you actually are cool, do it.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate you.
• 49:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I got all these letters and to this day like the young man I mentioned with the, at the big town office of Lama, he's got me a long Instagram message like,
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: May Coach, I just want to thank you for just like never letting up on me.
• 49:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't listen to you.
• 49:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, yeah, you did.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: But if I'm a coach now and I see why you did it.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so all that to say, like, I'm very on that fence of like, here's grace, but here's also true.
• 49:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm gonna help you out, but also we got it.
• 49:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: You just can't, you can't, you know, you're not gonna talk to me like that.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 49:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's not gonna happen.
• 49:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Things like that.
• 49:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to ask you this, it just came to mind, in terms of the work that you do and people you work with, can you out coach for the secondist conversation but out work a bad program or organization?
• 49:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, let's think about schools like in Ohio and stuff like that, you know, bad programs or it's not just playing.
• 49:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: But if you drove on, or schools and he's letting me just plan because yeah, I told you, I told you about my school in our struggle.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, but, you know, our students can you outwork a bad program where leadership might not be the greatest and it's just trickling down.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can you, can you outwork those systems?
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 50:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 50:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Um, and if I'm here, you correctly, like how we go about our day, we can outwork someone that may,
• 50:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so if there's bad, if it's bad, dude you want to build it.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: Overall, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, absolutely.
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you're saying.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely, God working.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, and it's, it's connection, right?
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'll use an example I had.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when I was at Bayley University, I could not go to player development program.
• 50:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Crazy thing.
• 50:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a sister and I'm letting that right to a player development and my coach.
• 50:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: He was like, hey, coaches, you don't have to go to program, which is most coaches don't want to go.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really a bit, I know he not.
• 50:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm thinking, assuming not talking to me.
• 50:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I go to his office.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's like nah, I just won't be me.
• 50:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: You don't need to come either.
• 50:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like this player development program, right?
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I didn't know who was speaking.
• 51:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know what was being said.
• 51:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so I was frustrated.
• 51:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I know I was frustrated.
• 51:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I had to think about it.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So how do I get?
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: Because I need to know what the players are hearing.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: and because I needed to develop them.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so what I did was had a sign, how would you learn yesterday?
• 51:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't realize what you learned yesterday, what's the number of things.
• 51:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: So they would tell me, and so I would work about connection, connections, how you outwork systems, because if I wouldn't connect it to the players and I'm done.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: So someone takes access away like overall access, you have to fight access with intimacy.
• 51:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so because I knew those players and coaches and people, I could do that.
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So,
• 51:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was something and I've had to do it and then not just that coach, but I had coaches that like player to tell me but they now give me the time I'm like what you're doing, but because the hardest thing they cut the hardest thing they got is that schedule man, that is the Get known as schedule is like it's the heart man.
• 51:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: A wolf though.
• 51:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I know you want to do your program But I'm all the guys do 747 come to me that 747 Like let's get me so sorry a bit
• 52:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you want to do.
• 52:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let me connect with these five guys that I know talk about stuff and like, I mean, I was talking to Ed Jones, I was like, so you can't outwork bad systems bad operations bad things.
• 52:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think you outwork it by by, um, by intimacy.
• 52:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So even if if something happens bad, this has helped me as a, even when I was a teacher, if something goes bad and I can't control enough fully disagree with the direction we're going as a program.
• 52:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to say that to nobody.
• 52:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just gonna listen.
• 52:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm not a man, you know, I'm listening.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, I understand when you're coming from, have you ever thought about this or, hey, let's work around that.
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm a big believer.
• 52:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can't work around as long as you're there.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I want you out of the building, much you can do.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right outside of the building, you still can do some stuff.
• 52:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 52:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I know I've talked to people who are like, hey, I don't get any resources, but your podcast has been a resource for me, and it's like, to me, is that it's just the relational aspect you can be around.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Almost forget that I'm glad you brought that back up.
• 52:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: You also a fellow podcast.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, what does that what does that journey been like congratulations was that journey been like and tell us more tells a little bit about the show.
• 53:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so that journey is interesting.
• 53:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So originally, so I love podcasts.
• 53:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've 35 minutes to to Kansas more.
• 53:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was a Lawrence that I live in the suburb of Kansas.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I would drive.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was just listening to podcasts.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I don't forget I first heard a podcast.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like,
• 53:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: How does information like this was pretty cool?
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I would listen to them and then I was like, you know what'd be pretty cool to do?
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was like, I don't really do all that, right?
• 53:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: But what happened was when I found out that people were lying about me, I was like, all right, well, no, I gotta go back and say stuff, but I can't go out and be like, many lying on me, right?
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was like, let me do something that's so counter what they said that people are like, either that guy's crazy or their line.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's like they said I was selfish.
• 53:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was all about myself and I could never finish what I wanted to get done.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I was happy.
• 53:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: So so I'm going to show a weekly with player development content.
• 53:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: So weekly I can't get it done if I'm showing up with this content for people.
• 53:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not selfish because I'm giving people, I was nervous at first.
• 53:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, dang, I'm giving people stuff that they could use on the air if you were to get a job.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: And so we're growing in that.
• 54:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: But like, I was like, I'm doing 25 episodes.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm being done.
• 54:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: But I just I found this passion.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I, as you know, it is tough.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: Makes people out.
• 54:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just miss recording.
• 54:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is not just for us.
• 54:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: So there were times like, man, I don't want to do this.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: No more.
• 54:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 54:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: get it worked so the player the podcast called the player development pod it's only YouTube and all the Spotify and all that good stuff and I just talked about player development how do you develop athletes it could be like hey this is what you do for freshman orientation this is what you do parents take high school coaches is what you need so I just talked about different topics I've had guests before it's pretty cool I need you back to guests people like guests and you would have guests you get into there and yeah you know it's awesome yeah
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, dude.
• 54:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: But that's what it is.
• 54:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's gonna continue to go.
• 54:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I used to do three three a week.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, I was man.
• 54:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was tripping like you were released three a week or recorded three weeks.
• 54:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I were a core like nine one day I sit there nine do nine videos back to myself.
• 54:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can be anxiety man saying just saying that one night I did it and I did not put my audio jack all the way in
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: that happens, that's part of it.
• 54:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: That part of the game.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: Oh man.
• 55:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I told people with podcasts episodes with comments, I had to go back and do it.
• 55:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm going back to Weekly, okay.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just give myself some space, but I've enjoyed.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've enjoyed.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I've connected with a lot of people as being listened to worldwide.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: I looked at some stuff and I thought I was like, Iron Man, ain't nobody listening to this.
• 55:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, Southern Asia.
• 55:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I was like, oh snap, but yeah.
• 55:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: These ain't your bots, like people actually listening.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 55:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: We got to email from somebody in Ghana.
• 55:24
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yo, let's go.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's dope.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I can relate to the people listening internationally because I think like Spain, China, and then parts of Africa are like, they kind of go back and forth on my top five.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, does dope that people are even, you know, listening literally around the world.
• 55:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And like recently I had a surge in people listening in a certain region.
• 55:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't remember exactly where, but yeah, it's crazy even thing about that.
• 55:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, people tap in.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: People tap in.
• 55:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope we get a surge in Missouri, Missouri, come on y'all.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: There we go.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: In Detroit, on the top end.
• 55:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, it's kind of crazy when you're like, somebody, oh, somebody, she works at a rap there.
• 56:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: She seems to be a message.
• 56:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: She's like, I feel like we've worked together because I've listened to you in practice.
• 56:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: So we got on a phone because she's going to speak.
• 56:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, oh my goodness, and I'm just like, because you know how, as you do this, you don't know who's listening, you get that one encouraging message.
• 56:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 56:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Shout out to anybody if a black Friday's podcast,
• 56:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Encourage.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Encourage my guy.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: Did you go by D.T.?
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: You can go by D.T.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 56:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Encourage D.T.
• 56:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: I appreciate all the encouragement.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's the most long way.
• 56:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate that.
• 56:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so last and not least, what's in the crystal ball?
• 56:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: What's on the horizon?
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: We got the, we I played the development summit coming up obviously, but anything else that you can share with us or that you want to put in the universe so we can see it come back to you.
• 56:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I'm excited to actually stay in Windsor.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, for the first time I was outside the country, I just literally went there, dropped the stuff came here.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: And people have been talking about international player development, some people are like Switzerland, Australia, Europe.
• 57:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I guess Switzerland, Europe, England, I should say more specifically.
• 57:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm just like,
• 57:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That could happen.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: We went on some years down, but excited about that.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: Think about some regional aspects where it's a, this is a big event, we have one day events around the country.
• 57:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then I want this to flesh out to an entire week, player development summer week, where we go to a city and we're connecting with the high school coaches and we're connecting with college students, we're connecting with college athletes, we're having a retreat for people in the space.
• 57:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: And then we end with the summit and all that this stuff there.
• 57:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: So.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very cool.
• 57:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very cool.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You should be.
• 57:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You should be.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: So please let the people know where they can tap in with you.
• 57:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: They can list to the pot more importantly that they can get their tickets for the summit.
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pull up to the pull-up to the summit itself.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come to this nigga ball.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let people know where they can find all that stuff.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: Absolutely.
• 57:53
  [SPEAKER_03]: So on my socials, I keep it pretty simple.
• 57:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Add underscore Jones to or and for the company BTF.
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  [SPEAKER_03]: underscore program BTF is beyond a film program.
• 58:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: You get your ticket at BTF program.com backslash PD summit.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: I would love to see you there.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: We are tickets.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: It is limited.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So if you're coming, you need to get in there.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: The room is 40% full.
• 58:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: We'll be a tech town Detroit.
• 58:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited to be there.
• 58:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where I could find me.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm on LinkedIn.
• 58:20
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm huge on LinkedIn.
• 58:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Edward Jones.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_03]: The second I love LinkedIn.
• 58:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: I actually got accepted to their sports community.
• 58:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm excited about that.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come on man.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 58:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm talking about yeah.
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm crushing the numbers close to 10,000 followers.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_03]: So y'all follow you boy.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I It's in the words a close problem.
• 58:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I ain't hard to find.
• 58:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: I ain't hard to find.
• 58:37
  [SPEAKER_03]: So find me.
• 58:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hit me up.
• 58:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, perfect.
• 58:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Perfect.
• 58:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, man This is being great.
• 58:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm grateful that you thought to come to the Black Friday podcast and
• 58:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Share your journey back around and expertise.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I got it like I said.
• 58:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wasn't actually I played one year a JB football And that was about it for me, but you know, I still got out there who but that's yeah I it ain't it ain't organized level, but Overall I appreciate what it is that you're doing for the athletes especially these young people And you know also being able to help people realize their full potential So thank you for the work that you're doing that.
• 59:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm excited about the the summit, man.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I appreciate it Thank you for the work you're doing.
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm connected people in Detroit.
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was looking at the podcast.
• 59:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'll be learning all these people like
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Absolutely, absolutely, and everybody watching, listen, we're going to tap in with Charleston.
• 59:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Peace.