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Your Voice is a Superpower with Samara Bay · Dos Amigos

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody.
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  Speaker 2: This is Freddie Rodriguez.
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  Speaker 3: And Wilmer about the rama. Welcome to those amigos. We're back.
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  Speaker 1: We're back episode two.
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  Speaker 2: Baby.
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  Speaker 4: That's how fascinating she are it required a second episode.
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  Speaker 2: Samara, she's a coach.
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  Speaker 3: She's a Coacha is a very very giftedll coach, someone
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  Speaker 3: that really helped me in the earlier years actually mid
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  Speaker 3: years of my career. And we were talking about, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the way you help leaders and actors convey story uh.
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  Speaker 3: And in the same subject, the simplistic version that I
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  Speaker 3: tell myself is the more prepared I am, the less
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  Speaker 3: pit stops I have to make in order to make
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  Speaker 3: my point.
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  Speaker 2: The pit stop is the like.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, these are the pit stops that you're like you
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  Speaker 3: because you're trying to piece it together. Now, not all
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  Speaker 3: conversations require you to stop your arms.
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  Speaker 2: Like right, like you're talking to people. It is what
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 3: But what I found myself and I'm curious to see
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  Speaker 3: you know, for you as a storyteller, as a you're
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  Speaker 3: one of the smartest people I've ever met in my life.
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  Speaker 3: You're also like you as one of the best spoken
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  Speaker 3: people I've ever talked, you know, and you know and
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  Speaker 3: also You're one of the most brilliant actors I've ever
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  Speaker 3: seen in my life. This guy has been able to
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  Speaker 3: to uh, you know, to really and I'm trying to
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  Speaker 3: really sound smart there you see that, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm saying is like the idea that you have
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  Speaker 3: to portray these characters that for the most part, you're
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  Speaker 3: leading the story, you're driving us forward. And now I
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  Speaker 3: don't want to say anything, but you're gonna play a
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  Speaker 3: different ethnicity guy that's absolutely so far removed from who
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  Speaker 3: you are, that that's going to be the next role
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna take.
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  Speaker 2: The people are going to be blown away by.
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  Speaker 3: And you are going to have to learn the accent
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  Speaker 3: and in the actual language, yes, to.
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  Speaker 2: A place in the world that you've probably never been.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe you haven't, you know, through the years, but like,
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  Speaker 3: but you've never lived there to understand why those dialects
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  Speaker 3: and why then you know where they come from. So
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  Speaker 3: so for me, the thing that I realized the more
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  Speaker 3: I understood, I used to say, like, and I'm so
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  Speaker 3: much more back in the day when I was trying
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  Speaker 3: to fit into so many smart conversations because I.
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  Speaker 2: Knew I had an opinion about the things that was
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  Speaker 2: being said.
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  Speaker 3: But I've never communicated with those rooms before, so I
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  Speaker 3: thought I had to really take my time in putting
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  Speaker 3: these sentences together. So like, for example, you know, I
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  Speaker 3: had to search my words more often than I could.
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  Speaker 2: If I was just kind of flowing.
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  Speaker 3: The more confidence I became in what I exposed myself to.
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  Speaker 2: The Easter was to take those things out right. The
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  Speaker 2: other thing is like you're.
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  Speaker 3: Telling you talk about in your subject, but I look
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  Speaker 3: for you, Freddie, what has it? Does this relate to you?
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  Speaker 3: Does it trigger any emotion or memory or anything?
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  Speaker 2: Sure?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm from Chicago, right, And my first movie I
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  Speaker 4: had to have a dialot coach because my Chicago accent,
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  Speaker 4: which you can probably still hear, I'm told still there.
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  Speaker 4: So I was nineteen years old. I was on the
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  Speaker 4: set of a pretty big movie and it was my
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  Speaker 4: first movie.
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  Speaker 2: Was the movie.
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  Speaker 4: It was called The Walk in the Clouds and it
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  Speaker 4: took place in the nineteen thirties.
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  Speaker 1: And here I was just like Chicago urban like street kid.
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  Speaker 4: All of a sudden thrust it into this movie with
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  Speaker 4: like Anthony Quinn and Caanu Reeves and gian Carlo Janini,
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  Speaker 4: and I had to sound like a kid who went
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  Speaker 4: to Stanford in the nineteen thirties, and it was it
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  Speaker 4: was incredibly difficult, and had I had a dialog coach
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  Speaker 4: for like three months while I was on that side,
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  Speaker 4: who was who's doing everything? You just said, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I do a take and they would come and whisper
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  Speaker 4: in my ear and her eye was. It was like
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  Speaker 4: the first time I was ever in front of cameras
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  Speaker 4: like that or around big actors like that. So it
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  Speaker 4: was really I want to say it was difficult, but
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  Speaker 4: it was a lot to process as like a nineteen
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  Speaker 4: year old kid. And so I've had dialogue coaches. That
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  Speaker 4: wasn't the first time. You know, my action has always
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  Speaker 4: been really difficult to overcome.
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  Speaker 2: I never knew that about you.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean you can hear it right, like
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  Speaker 4: you know, this is sort of how I sound.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not here diagnosed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah right.
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  Speaker 4: And so when we was saying I I haven't announced
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  Speaker 4: it yet, but I'm about to play someone who's who's
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  Speaker 4: of German descent, and I was like me and they
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  Speaker 4: were like, yeah you And I was like, okay, give
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  Speaker 4: me a dialart coach.
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  Speaker 1: And so I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Supposed to be starting with one.
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  Speaker 4: I don't quite know who it is someone who's sitting
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  Speaker 4: across from me right now, and so it's.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna be nuts. Nudge.
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  Speaker 5: Did you want Lucille Ball?
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  Speaker 1: Can you teach with the Lucille Ball accent?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So so it's I've been struggling with it for a
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  Speaker 4: long time too. I mean I've gone into rooms. I
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  Speaker 4: remember in the nineties, I would audition and they would say,
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  Speaker 4: he sounds a little too urban, you know, man, I
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  Speaker 4: I had read for something, you know, geez, like like
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  Speaker 4: eight years ago and then and the guy was from
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  Speaker 4: Chicago and they were like, oh, he just sounded too urban.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean from Chicago?
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  Speaker 4: I sounded like, oh, I sounded And so my accent
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  Speaker 4: has always been something that's been a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: Of a thorn on my side throughout my career as well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I find that a lot of the work I
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  Speaker 5: do with people, whether it's in the hull onllwoold realm
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  Speaker 5: or in business, is often unpacking some of those early
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  Speaker 5: comments or early you know, like judgments that were thrust
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  Speaker 5: on us. Often it's like people go back to like
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  Speaker 5: second grade, Oh really their parents there's you know, it's
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  Speaker 5: like trauma attached to it. There is, and it's like
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  Speaker 5: it's like subtle enough, like lowercase T trauma that you
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  Speaker 5: kind of can go like, why am I not over it?
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  Speaker 5: That's what it is. And then I give people permission
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  Speaker 5: to be like, let's just honor that not only are
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  Speaker 5: you not over it, because it's like real and it
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  Speaker 5: wasn't being able to get processed. But now there's like
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  Speaker 5: this added level of like self shame of why did
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  Speaker 5: I let that get to me? Why did I let
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  Speaker 5: that one guy in second grade who said that my
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  Speaker 5: voice is annoying get to me? What's wrong with me?
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  Speaker 5: And so many of us do that, and it's like
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  Speaker 5: the spiral around our voice. And this is why I
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  Speaker 5: wrote this book and I sold it in this like
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  Speaker 5: crazy bidding war at the top of the pandemic because
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like no one.
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  Speaker 4: So there's a therapy aspect attached to what you do
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I.
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  Speaker 5: Mean said therap but here's how I here's how I
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  Speaker 5: say it. There is inevitably an element of therapeutic as
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  Speaker 5: to this, which means healing. You know. It's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: ultimately we're just like, oh god, my mom said that
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  Speaker 5: to me, I really, like, you know, internalized it. I
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  Speaker 5: forgot it came from that source and she has her
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  Speaker 5: own stuff, and I just thought it was a truth
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  Speaker 5: about me. Oh wait, do I need to keep that
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  Speaker 5: story going? Is that helping me? Is it helping the
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  Speaker 5: next generation? Is it helping my kid? Me continuing to
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  Speaker 5: carry that burden of in this case, you know, like
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  Speaker 5: my voice is annoying or whatever. Who's that helping? Is
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  Speaker 5: that helping me? Like, like, do my best legacy work
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  Speaker 5: in the world? If not, what can I like lovingly
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  Speaker 5: do to release that?
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  Speaker 4: So how do you how do you hand I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's not part of what you signed up for, right,
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  Speaker 4: So how do you handle sort of you're coaching somebody,
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  Speaker 4: all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 2: They break down.
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  Speaker 4: They're like in the second grade somebody you know, and
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  Speaker 4: then all of a sudden that they go right, the
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  Speaker 4: trauma was.
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  Speaker 5: Released, Say, I love those moments, but I kind of
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  Speaker 5: loved those, But.
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  Speaker 1: How do you how do you handle that?
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  Speaker 5: You were clearly like you know what they say, like
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  Speaker 5: shamed dies in the light. It's like once they know it,
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  Speaker 5: I don't need to do anything. Now we're like you
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  Speaker 5: that's a thing. Hey, that's a thing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had to undo a bunch of stuff the
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  Speaker 3: beginning because when I was, when I became an actor,
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  Speaker 3: if you had an accident in school, you were seen
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  Speaker 3: as inferior, as uneducated. If you had an accent, you
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  Speaker 3: were uneducated, even though I was a straighted student, because
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  Speaker 3: in Venezuela.
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  Speaker 2: There was two years ahead, you know.
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  Speaker 3: When I got here, I had traded to and I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even have to speak English to me, but thought
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  Speaker 3: I was cheating. I think we talked about it on
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  Speaker 3: the show before, and I had an accent. So people
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  Speaker 3: are like, how is you how you even like acing
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  Speaker 3: the test?
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, it's math, like like I mean you know,
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  Speaker 2: or so on and so on.
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  Speaker 3: But question for you when it comes to nationalities and
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  Speaker 3: all that, what is the common thing that Latino speakers
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  Speaker 3: you don't have to undo in order to embrace an
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  Speaker 3: American accent?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm and I'm asking for a friend. I'm asking
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  Speaker 2: for a friend.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. The main thing with the main thing with Spanish
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  Speaker 5: speakers is that y'all have five vowels. And although in
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  Speaker 5: the written English we look and we say we see ae,
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  Speaker 5: I ou sure, maybe we have five two if you
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  Speaker 5: think about it, and like dialect alert here I'm getting,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna get, I'm gonna get technical because you asked it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, even for the letter A alone in English,
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  Speaker 5: if you see it in a word, you don't know.
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  Speaker 5: It has five different pronunciations, the letter A. So it
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  Speaker 5: can be all like about alc apple, all like father,
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  Speaker 5: all like awesome, or a like.
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  Speaker 1: Eight mm hmmm. And so that's confusing.
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  Speaker 5: That's a lot. And when it comes to some of
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  Speaker 5: those sounds, they exist or some version of them exists
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  Speaker 5: in Spanish. Right, the a father is like our closest
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  Speaker 5: American version to the ah. But then what's what happens
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  Speaker 5: when you get to a apple? So for a lot
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  Speaker 5: of Spanish speakers, they're they're, they're there. English is amazing, right,
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  Speaker 5: this is not about this is no judgment on their
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  Speaker 5: right acquisition of English. But if they always say apple
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  Speaker 5: and now they have to go a apple. And now,
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  Speaker 5: by the way, for American speakers out there, we also
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  Speaker 5: do an uglier a a in front of an er
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  Speaker 5: and emorin ng sounds. So we go like ah, like family.
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  Speaker 5: And if we go at apple family, people think we're
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  Speaker 5: English British family. That's that's what I mean West. That's
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  Speaker 5: almost all of the US almost uses that little tiny
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  Speaker 5: dialect thing, and it's almost to tell if you don't
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  Speaker 5: use it. So you say a family, family, it's a scandal.
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  Speaker 5: Where's she from? She does not sound like she's from anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: She sounds she's in like neutral land right anyway?
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  Speaker 3: So we three hundred teaching teaching what a movie three
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  Speaker 3: hundred where they're just like, we're from what is that Atlantic?
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  Speaker 2: What is it?
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  Speaker 5: Was?
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  Speaker 3: Mid Atlantic Atlantic, which is like British Buddy's not.
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  Speaker 5: It's a made up nineteen thirties accent where everybody sounds fancy,
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  Speaker 5: but not from anywhere the middle of the Atlantic where
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  Speaker 5: there's no land exactly exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god, she's from somewhere like lower of the rings.
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  Speaker 5: Right exactly exactly fairy sound.
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  Speaker 2: I've had to audition with that accent before, didn't know it.
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  Speaker 2: Did you call me?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 2: One of my.
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  Speaker 3: Dreams is my one of my dreams is to perfect
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  Speaker 3: a British accent.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I've always been like.
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  Speaker 1: Why because the bridge come here and they get the
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  Speaker 1: American action?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because I.
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  Speaker 3: Feel like it's just as if I go get James Bond,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the Brits in the Australians get all the
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  Speaker 3: all American. You know, thank god for Chris Evans because
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  Speaker 3: he finally was Captain America. But everybody else is Australian
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  Speaker 3: and British, you know, playing these American comic book heroes.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you think you can do a British accent.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I know I can't, And that's why I know I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 5: Have you considered maybe you have a person, like a
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  Speaker 5: specific person with a British accent that you could Craig.
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  Speaker 5: Have you listened to him? Have you like repeated back?
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  Speaker 2: You know, but he's so.
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  Speaker 3: But the thing about his accent is he he's so
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  Speaker 3: settled it almost doesn't sound British anymore. Have you heard
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  Speaker 3: the last couple of James Bonds, They're like, his accent
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  Speaker 3: is he's there in a couple of ways, you know,
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  Speaker 3: where he just kind of, you know, kind of undertones it.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, but there's other characters that it's heavy.
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  Speaker 5: So if I were to just like prod a tiny bit,
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  Speaker 5: you might want to find someone else who also feels
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  Speaker 5: more like your vibe. I mean, I'm not saying you
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  Speaker 5: don't give Daniel kredit.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what I'm asking.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm just I mean, but I'm but I'm just saying,
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  Speaker 5: like it is fun, unlocks something.
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  Speaker 2: But you asked me.
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  Speaker 5: What I dare you and I would love it. What
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  Speaker 5: What is the James Bond accent? I mean, Pierce President,
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  Speaker 5: who have coached is Irish and he did he went
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  Speaker 5: for like a straight British sound, right, It's not like
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  Speaker 5: he just brought his natural accent, but.
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  Speaker 3: He's from there, so he grew up with all those
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  Speaker 3: influences around him, right, So it's like the British grow
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  Speaker 3: grows up with all Hollywood movies, so they're therefore they
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  Speaker 3: they understand.
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  Speaker 5: And you know many of them use dialect coaches.
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  Speaker 3: Well for sure, but I will also say that they
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  Speaker 3: grew up watching these movies, so they can imitate until
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  Speaker 3: then they coach to kind of perfect. I've never had
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  Speaker 3: to imitate a British accent because the first half of
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  Speaker 3: my life I was watching everything that had a different
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  Speaker 3: accent and English in Spanish, right, so everybody had a
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  Speaker 3: Latino accent when I was growing up, even James Bond and.
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  Speaker 4: Even Americans don't grow up watching British materials, so.
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  Speaker 5: Like, yeah, also, this is a pitch, you know, that's
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  Speaker 5: the next that's the next bond sound. I think we're ready.
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  Speaker 4: For for a lot of accent, for a little bonello,
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  Speaker 4: a little spice.
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  Speaker 3: Who are you got a mellow bond?
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  Speaker 1: I think we really welcome to.
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  Speaker 2: This is a little bond.
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  Speaker 1: Who is this?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but that you said it's ready for
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  Speaker 2: a new direction. I'm giving the narrative. So speaking of
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  Speaker 2: British accents, just bringing it back.
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  Speaker 3: So the the I A e ou there's They pronounced
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  Speaker 3: those a lot more closer to what Latino does right
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  Speaker 3: in a way to way like ah a if.
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  Speaker 5: That helps you as a bridge, I don't want to
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  Speaker 5: take it away.
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  Speaker 1: Bridge, But it's more like.
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  Speaker 3: You're just saying because they do pronounce the words like
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  Speaker 3: over here you said you we have those five for
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  Speaker 3: the A. Yeah, it seems like they're pretty consistent with
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  Speaker 3: their No.
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  Speaker 5: They've got the same it's just that they don't do
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  Speaker 5: that that ugly family. But yeah, it'd be like family.
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  Speaker 5: The apple sound.
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  Speaker 2: Is just uh, we say can't.
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  Speaker 5: We say can't and they say can't. But that's the
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  Speaker 5: awe sound like father father.
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  Speaker 1: So is that the key to learning that action is
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  Speaker 1: learning where the inflections go.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, there's so many parts. Okay, there's so many parts.
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  Speaker 5: When we're learning English as a first language from another
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  Speaker 5: part of the world. So this is Australian and British
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  Speaker 5: and Irish and Scottish, South African. It's the most complicated
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  Speaker 5: that the most sounds change constants and vowels. So you know,
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  Speaker 5: the question is like, what would be some of the
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  Speaker 5: main ones that you could focus on. I love what
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  Speaker 5: you're saying with kant. This is technically called the ask list.
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  Speaker 5: It's literally just a list of words. It's like three
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  Speaker 5: pages of words that like the word ask. In American
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  Speaker 5: English we would say apple ask and in British they
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  Speaker 5: would say, oh, father osk and they don't even know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't want to speak for all British people,
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  Speaker 5: but I've talked to it and they don't realize that.
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  Speaker 5: They say can and kan't.
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  Speaker 2: They don't hear it. They don't hear it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, is the word castle on the ask list?
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  Speaker 5: And they're like, castle, Yeah, what's the list?
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, okay, right, right right. But the main
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  Speaker 5: thing is the RS. So I don't This is like
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  Speaker 5: way technical. But the rs at the ends of words
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  Speaker 5: in English, in American English and in British English are
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: actually vowels. They're not the same our our mouth doesn't
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: do the same thing as a beginning are. So like
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: the word red, do the word red, river field, what's
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: happening your mouth redd?
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: Like what's happening? There's like a coming together everything red.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: If we did that at the end of the word father,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: we would end up with father. It's like a it
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: would be a it's a dialect father. So what are
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: we really doing?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Father?
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: Or our mouth stays open? The definition of a vowel.
• 17:18
  Speaker 5: Can't believe IM talking about this, you guys, This is
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: like no, Yes, definition of a vowel is that your
• 17:23
  Speaker 5: mouth stays open and sound keeps coming out. This is
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: why we can sing on vowels. So if your mouth
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: is staying open on they are on the end of father,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: it's a vowel father, or just has some what we
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: call our color father, unless our color would get you father,
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: that's British.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: What would be some initial exercises that you do with
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: with with actors when you first start working.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: With I mean, I kind of build the exercises based
• 17:46
  Speaker 5: on what they need, because often certain sounds are just
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: like oh I got that, and I'm like, we don't
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: need to be a dead.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Like do you remember do you remember the exercises? What
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: did we do the pencil?
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: Did you do the pencil?
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's just like you put.
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: The pencil here and make sure that your mouth is
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: so wet in between your teeth.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: Just activated, It activates, you know. The main thing that
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: happens is that we're all used to how we sound,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: like right, but we're all used to how we sound.
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: So certain muscles get used and the other muscles are like, no,
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: I'm good.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never.
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: Been activated in the last twenty years. And then here
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: we are being like, let's activate those muscles, and so
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: doing a pencil or a cork like.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: From okay, so what does that do if you put
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: a pencil in between your teeth?
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: What's to just work a little harder?
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Now I have to like really do it. You're not
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: gonna you're not gonna have a.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Pen because because you're exercising certain.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Most yeah, yeah, it's just part of a warm up.
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: Also, honestly, I also phone, especially when I do a
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: lot of the procedural stuff. I just got to warm
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: up my vocals. You can't come in and just you know,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: do it cold. So I you know a lot of
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: the jaw exercises.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know.
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: I like to joke that I have a long history
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: of telling movie stars what to do with their tongues,
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: and it's true, although it's not the whole job.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Is that in your book?
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: I think I came up with that during the rest.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: After the book.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: And see.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: That somebody quote she tells the levers what to do
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: with they're tengue in the book?
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: Do you find that when actors have to play a
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Latin character, it's nobody cares as much because they're just like,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: oh they're have like some weird acting, we'll buy it.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I don't want to throw under the bus what I
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: was about to say, but yes, I have worked on
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: projects that take place in very specific in a very
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: specific place and have been like, hey, but there's like
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: ten actors who you cast, and ones from Spain and
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: ones from Colombia and ones from you know, Venezuela, and
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: one's from Mexico. Shall we try to make them sound
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: the same.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: If they're speaking English? Yeah?
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I'm like because if they're speaking Spanish, I
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: would hope that an actor does.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Is it, because the perception is that they all sound
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: the same from whoever the.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, correct, Yeah, if you speak Spanish as your first language,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: when you speak English, you're all going to sound similar,
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: which you.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: Don't know when I hear from so many I mean
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: friends as well as clients who are like offended, who
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: are like light offended, right, Like, of course, if you're
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: seeing something that's like a Cuban show and they didn't
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: put any work into making them sound Cuban, you're like, cool,
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: thanks for putting millions of dollars into that show, but
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: not that part of it, right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: No, And by the way, I mean there was a
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: lot of criticians that have you ever done God for
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: playing the cr nest, you know in the LBC aerosorcin movie,
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: because you know, there was not that emphasis of like, oh,
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: when I speak English, I'm going to sound I'm going
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: to also have the undertone.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Of a Cuban man, you know. So people just bought it.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: They're like, he has an accent, so right, so he
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: sounds like Ricardo, I guess, you know, but that yes,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: it goes it's just about also the actors should probably
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: be a little bit more hungry for that part, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: but look, how you ever done as one of the
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: best actors of our entire generation, So he can do
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: no wrong.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: In my eyes, I love that man.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I think in general as a rule of thumb, for
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: most actors and for all young actors who are listening
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: to this thing is you know, it's what separates you
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: from you know, from the rest of going for the
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: same thing. It's like that little extra layer you put
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: in there. It's what keeps you on a set.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: And to circle back to your German right Like, yes,
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: of course understandably you can. You anybody can get stuck
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: in like that's so different from me. But ultimately, what
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: you're going to be inside of, inside of a creative
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: process is like the curiosity and the wonder and the
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: beauty of like.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Who's this guy?
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: How do I this guy?
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: And that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: And that is such a more generative and creative space.
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: Then shit, I'm not this guy, you know.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: So we're both by lingual.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: We speak Spanish and English, right, well I kind of
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: speak English, but he doesn't want But so the so
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: for for people like Freddie and me who are bilingual
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: and quite quite bi lingual, and I'm.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Both English and Spanish.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: What are the accents that are probably the low hanging
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: fruit for us? What do you think, like will be
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: the accents that we'd be like very good at because
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: you have the understanding of how to pronounce stuff in
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Spanish and.
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: How to pronounce okay, you tell me, what do you think.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: A British accent like James Bond?
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Is that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: There for you?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I guess other other Latin actions. Have you ever had
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to do anything other than an American accent for.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: For a project?
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: A lot, like for different Mexican accents, Yeah, like northern,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: the fa you know, you know, like have you have
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: you gotten very specific about the mean? Yeah, in Mexico
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you think, okay, this manta, this man, I think this
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: manata way right. And if you're in Colombia and there's
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: like three different Columbian accents, rights see, and you know
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: I'm an, I can butcher a Puerto Rican. I can
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: butcher the Dominican, right, I can also like Argentina.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: It's like you know, you know, was a key landed
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: their nose and.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: So everybody has like this little singer and I'm gifted
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: on all those South American accents because I grew up
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: with them, and I grew up imitating them, right, just
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: like the British grew up imitating all different American accents,
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the American, the New Yorker accent or the Boston accent,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: you know, like.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: All those guys. So I knew how to do those.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that lot.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: But and so if I were to speak in English
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: as one of these nationalities, I could write, it's a Cowana.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, when I speak to Amelia seven
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: after I hang up the phone.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: So I'm speaking Cuban.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: Really were, But that's that's the thing. But yeah, I
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: mean I don't know, but commonly, you.
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: Know, for you is the only other one I would
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: add to that. I mean maybe Portuguese, right, maybe maybe
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: maybe Brazilian or Portuguese like.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Some of the.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: And the other one, although it's like, you know, there's
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: a little bit of a dance over to it.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: But Italian, oh yeah, Italian, I think I could probably.
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: And I you might have caught this on on that
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: list of names that you said earlier, but I got
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: to coach American crime story versace, and that's Edgar Ramirez,
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: your countryman. Yeah, yeah, I love them, Penelope Cruz and
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: a little bit of Ricky Martin.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, and were completely different places.
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: And none of them Italian.
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah, And Ricky's from the island. That that's
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: a whole other different sort of rhythm, you know, the
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: Puerto Ricans from the Eye Island in the Puerto Ricans
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: from like New York or Chicago. And my experience has
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: been different. And sometimes I'll go to Puerto Rico and
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I listen to people in the island, I'll be like, what,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know if it's the speed or
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: or or there's something in the dialect and the and
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: the rhythm of it that that sometimes and Puerto Rico, yeah,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: I mean it's the island where my family is from.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: There's sometimes I have to kind of slow down.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And just.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Money swallow other words.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Right, it's a different it's a different rhythms.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: In the world.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: In order to make people feel like they haven't us,
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: which also means then that there's them, like there's this
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: there's this amazing quote from a from a woman I
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: quote in the book talking about how like put put
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: the same group of people on two sides of a
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: mountain range and within like months, they'll start to sound
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: different within generations. Obviously they're like fully drenched other languages,
• 25:53
  Speaker 5: like we do this, it's a human thing.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: We do.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: You talk about the Italian accident for that specific movie,
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: did you feel that the fact that they spoke Spanish
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: was in advantage for their Italian accents or everyone had
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: to have.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: To ask them, You have to ask them. Yeah, I
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: think yes, But also like, okay, what's the what's this?
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: This is?
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: This is just like fun geeky, but like, what's the
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: biggest difference between the Spanish and Italian when speaking in English?
• 26:21
  Speaker 5: There's this, right, There's something about the musicality, and there's
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: also that I can't say this is not sounding like
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: being me and to Italian speakers, I am not. This
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: is just how sounds work. Spanish speakers know how to
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: stop a word on a consonant. Italians have literally never
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: done this in their life, so they will always add
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: a vowel on the end. So often we were like
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: artificially adding in a vowel. So if it was like
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: the word stop, you know, like stopped on a tell
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: or something, it'd be like stop, you need like the
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: little oh yeah, right, And so giving them the permission
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: to find like how to have more of a through
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: energy instead of a you know.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember reading Marlon Brando when he played Sabada
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: and he was saying, I wasn't really trying to learn
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: an accent, but I was. I was just trying to
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: learn the rhythm. And so when he did that movie,
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: it was more about the rhythm that made it believable
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: to him.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Is there a difference?
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: So like I was like, oh, that's an interesting thing
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: to say, you know, Like, is.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: There also once we're doing English as a second language,
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: we're speaking in English, right, We're not doing language work,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: that's its own thing. But we're speaking English as somebody
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: who grew up speaking Spanish or you know, Italian or
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: whatever whatever. There's range no, no, two people who were
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: in that scenario speak English the same. Because when did
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: you learn it? How what was your like interest in
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: learning it? What was your inner resistance? What is your
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: like vibe around? How dare I have to speak this
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: language versus I want to soak.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: It all up? Right?
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: This is all super personal. So that does actually give
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: us freedom also as as you.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Know, flipping in a little bit on your leadership work
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: and with those individuals that have to you know, talk
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: to whole company or do a key, don't speak, or
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: they're just in politics.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: It's an interesting thing to ask for me because.
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: We know multiple cultures that are listening to our to
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: our to our show and very different you know, origins
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: of latinos as well when it comes to leadership, being noticed,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: being you know, being listened to with a with a
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: sense of respect and authority. What what advice do you
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: give those who are embarking into like I want to
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: unlock a different world for me, And that doesn't mean
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: that I'm pretending to be someone else, because it's not
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that you're changing who you are how you're talking. You're
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: just tapping into a different form of expression that allows
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: you to really you know, submers yourself in a different world.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, you get it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: That's it.
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: That's it. There's so much of the work is like, Okay,
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: we'll have in front of us, say a speech or
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: a panel that we're prepping for or whatever, like, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: that's the deliverable, that's the thing, And we know we're
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: kind of doing the thing. We need the thing to
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: be good by that date, but we also know that
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: we're kind of using that as maybe a trojan horse
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: to work on the other stuff, which is like, how
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: do I show up? What is this like thing? What
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: happen like spiritually?
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: Like, how does the spirit of me show up in
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: these spaces, regardless of accent, regardless of my old stories
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: of my voice is annoying or film the blank? Right,
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: what does it take for me to like really really
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: show up in these spaces? And for each person it's
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: a little different obviously, right, It's like it would not
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: work in any way to be like, here's my framework,
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: you have to do this to do that, right, Like
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: this this is not this is not it, although there
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: are universal themes that do that do come up a lot,
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: but ultimately this is about visibility. This is about what
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: does it feel like to be seen? What does it
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: feel like to be seen? And also claim how I
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: mean I lovingly use the word weird, but it just
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: how how unique we are, who we actually are, what
• 29:50
  Speaker 5: we actually care about while being seen and continue to like,
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: continue to see, continue to make it about who we're
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: talking to and not about us. Right, So some of
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: this is practice, some of it is new perspective, right,
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: like how do I switch up my approach so that
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: I stop being like in the moments before I go on,
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: all I'm thinking about is I hope they don't notice
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: that I dot that dot and into something like I
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: can't believe I get to talk about my favorite thing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: My goal is that by the end, here's the new
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: thought that they will have, right, Like, there's just healthier mindset.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: What is your intentions right before you even speak?
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: And then when we talk about accent, it's like, yeah,
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: of course there is sounds right if you've never made
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: a teach sound in your life, Like, this is the
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: thing we can work on. And maybe the teach maybe
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: getting the tongue outside of your mouth, which is what
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: has to happen, only tiny bit, but it has to
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: happen to make a teach happen. Maybe that will unlock
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: a sense of confidence. But maybe that's not it, or
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: maybe that in concert with and what's the with and
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: it's like different for everyone, but the spirit of it is,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: what if I'm exactly right? What if I am the
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: right person to be on that stage talking the way
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: I talk with a little bit of my own personal mischief,
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: like the twinkle in my eye because I'm up to something, right.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: What made you transition from dialect coaching to public speaking, Like, like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: what inspired it to talk to me about the what
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: that journey?
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you. It was the twenty eighteen midterms and
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: I was coaching gal Gado on Wonder Woman Too. I
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: got to do the US portion in DC before they
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: shot most of it in London, and I had downtime
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: because there was a lot of stunt sequences and she
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: wasn't even like like hooked up to a microphone, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: so I was like in DC for a month, we
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: had like washed, not washing what's it called Pennsylvania Avenue,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: like shut down for stunt sequences. And I was just wandering,
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: being like I'm not needed, no one needs me.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: What am I doing?
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm not great with like not feeling needed, you know.
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: And in the midst of that, I got this call
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: from move on dot org, which is one of these
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: organizations that finds good candidates and then is like, we'll
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: give you resources. Maybe that means money, but maybe that
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: means training. And that was the year that became the
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Blue Wave, a huge amount of first time candidates, a
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: huge amount of women candidates. One but we didn't know
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: that the summer before all we knew that was that
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: there was a lot of first time candidates, which is
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: another word for members of the community who were like,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: oh god, is it me? Should it be me?
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: Oh God?
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But why did you get a call if you're a
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  Speaker 1: dialect coach?
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  Speaker 5: A friend recommended me, interesting, but she'd be good for this.
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  Speaker 5: But an activist like I care about the world a lot,
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  Speaker 5: so he knew that. And but the call came out
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  Speaker 5: of the blue, and they literally were like, we have
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  Speaker 5: no money. This is not that, that's not that's all
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  Speaker 5: this is.
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  Speaker 2: That's all this is.
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  Speaker 5: But there's all these candidates. Could you do a zoom
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: call here and there?
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  Speaker 4: And I was like, but why did they feel you
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: were qualified to do public speaking if if all you
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  Speaker 4: had done before that was dialect coaching.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: They were right, no, no, absolutely, such a sense.
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  Speaker 2: To no, no, No.
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  Speaker 5: It is because I mean, I think it's because I
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  Speaker 5: was doing activism work and I had been coaching my
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: clients who were doing public speak, and like, I think
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  Speaker 5: my friend, his name is Joel, My friend put it
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  Speaker 5: together before I did, and I told him this. He
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: came to one on book signings and he fully cried
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: because I was like, it's that dude.
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  Speaker 1: Oh so he's the one.
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  Speaker 5: There were a lot of touch points. There were a
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: lot of touch points, but that that moment when I
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: got that call from move On, how easy was that? Right?
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: They came to me and they were And it wasn't
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  Speaker 5: like they were like, we're gonna throw you a bunch
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: of first time candidates for office and then we assume
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  Speaker 5: that you're going to probably leave your career behind and
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: make a big pivot and then write a best selling book.
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  Speaker 5: They didn't say that, right. They were just like, try
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: this thing. It's free, maybe you can help. And I
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: was like, sign me up. And then while I was
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: coaching those women, I was.
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: Like, oh, the whole history of the world of public
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: speaking is so mean. So it's so fear based, it's
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: so mean.
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  Speaker 5: You're doing this wrong. You're doing this wrong. You're doing
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: this wrong. You're doing this wrong. You better get this right,
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: don't fuck it up. Do this with your hands or
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: everyone will laugh at you. Like right, like some version
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: of that we've all gotten m And I was like,
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: especially maybe for women, but also especially for people of color,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: especially for queer folks, especially for English as a second language,
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: Like anybody who feels internally marked as different in how
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: we sound or how we seem. Right, I said early on,
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: like we get treated differently based on how he'd write.
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: This is where I was like, oh, we need a
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: different rule book for public speaking. That is like, I mean,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: you know, the opposite of fear, they say, is life.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: What is a love based approach to public speaking? How
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: do we talk about what we care about so the
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: care spreads? How does that change the world? How does
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: that change whose voices get heard?
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: From your perspective? What makes a good leader when it
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: comes to public speaking?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: Like? What is that? What is that trade? What is that?
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to call it character trait? But wait,
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: what is that? What is the aleming?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: What is the thing that makes a good leader when
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: it comes to public speaking?
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I feel like we could all answer this so many
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  Speaker 5: different ways, sure, but what came to mind instantly when
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: you said that is like a real commitment to showing
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  Speaker 5: up human.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: For it not to feel forced or over our over.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: And like the vulnerability laced with strength, right, vulnerability doesn't
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: doesn't have to be in weak weakness, but saying when
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: we don't know something, but saying you know, like we
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: all know there's a way to say, I don't know.
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: That makes us feel instantly powerless. I'm tiny. Why should
• 35:25
  Speaker 5: I be here versus the I don't know. That's just like,
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: that's just such a good question, let's find out, right,
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: And this comes from like being in our spine, being
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: in our chest and really having the compassion for ourselves
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: and for others. That makes us be like I am
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: going to take up the amount of space in the
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: world that is like that is that is going to
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: offer humanity and like, you know, humanness, I mean like
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: our animal body, like the truth of oh my god words, right,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: I don't know, but like this thing that feels very human,
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: I'm going to take up enough space that everybody else
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: also feels like they're allowed to be human, and then
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: we make rooms better.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: And I often say to my clients, like, think about
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: the the type of leader you wish there was more
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: of in the world, and then just show up that way,
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: like do it today. We're not we're not gonna be perfect,
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: but like do it today.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: And if you're in the business more yeah, And if
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: you're in the business of leadership, I mean that's one
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: thing you have to really believe to your court that
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: you're standing on that podium for a specific purpose, and
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: you intentionally have to move to actually get to where
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: you're you're preaching.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: H you heard it. You have to you have to
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: earn it, you know.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Obviously this is there's like a Brazilian categories that we'd
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: love to talk.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: To you about.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: I mean we this might be in this might be
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: a two episode, you know, a two episode.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: This is very h yeah, vast yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: And we didn't even open a little can of worms
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: of like what were my biggest problems? When you can
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: speaking about it like an American accent. I think for me,
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: I couldn't get out of my own way. There's the
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: mold story. Like I think that as soon as I
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: knew that there was a word that I had a
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: problem with, I could flow.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Through the first three sentences.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: And as soon as that word wasn't you know team
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: minus five seconds for me pronouncing it, I started falling apart.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: And I think it's because I didn't want to let
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: people down around me as supposed to just like, let
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: me just tell the story.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, I need that tool, Okay, let me do that.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm you said here boom, you.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: Know, I'm a little more matter of fact now, but
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: you know back then, you know, I was giving roles
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: nobody's ever given me before. You know, So when you
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: talk about leadership, when you talk about community, delegation, right
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: doing specifically when it comes to communicating, whether it's change, inspiration,
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: you know, unity, all these things. You know, you have
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: to kind of find that those tools that allowed you
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: to unlock these destinations.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Do you have any other thoughts or questions?
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: I just think it's great that you pointed out that
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: there was a particular friend who saw something in you,
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: uh that that other people also started to see, and
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: how that eventually led you to where you're at now.
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes life just kind of takes you in
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: different directions, right and.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Like here you are and that you're you're an author
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: now and you're you're.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: Doing something completely different than what you initially intended to do.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: And I think that's great.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes we all have these talents that it
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: takes other people to see within us.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: But I think it's wonderful.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: With what you do.
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I've worked with dialect coaches in the past and it's
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: helped me so immensely, and I can just imagine how
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: what a profound impact you've had on other people, especially
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: like Wilmer, right, which is one of the reasons why
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: you're here now.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: So thank yeah.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: And also a big, big shout out to your book
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: Permission to Speak.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Permission to Speak, you do it by now.
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: So did I do the audio?
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I'm I'm very, very.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: Proud of my audio books. Yeah, and I've I've been
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: told here's my favorite compliment I've ever received. This is
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: not true, but it feels like it. I have been
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: told that I've ruined all other audios.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: You ruined because yours is so good?
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Is that why?
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: Implication?
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Because you're like, you.
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: Know, look, some nonfiction that gets read by the not
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: author but bless you know, has this kind of detached vibe.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to sound serious by saying these
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: sentences in this certain way. And I was like, I'm
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: going to, you know, I mean, perform, right, but not
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: perform like fake you fake perform like make come alive.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: We have this the word in in the you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 5: acting world of lifting, right, We're lifting the words from
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: the page. It's like we're lifting these ideas.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: And so you were a tad more animated than I mean,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: probably the average.
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: Listen y'all listen and report back. I don't.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: That book anyway.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: You get your books or audio books, and thank you
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: so much and thank you so much for being part
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: of my journey and uh and being so instrumental to
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: how I'm speaking on a podcast.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Now she's going to give you notes once we're done
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: with this.
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  Speaker 2: Wilmer, You're welcome.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: It's a podcast part well that would be a bit
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: more English, Yeah.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes it would.
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  Speaker 1: This is Freddie Rodriguez and.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: I'm Wilmer about the rama.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for watching this, uh, two part episode in Venezuela.
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  Speaker 2: Chauma Samara, Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, I'm seeing.
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  Speaker 4: Is a production from the V Sound and iHeartMedia's Michael
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: through That podcast Network, hosted by Me, Freddie Rodriguez, and
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: Wilmer Valdorama.
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  Speaker 3: Those Amigos is produced by Aaron Burleson and Sophie Spencer zabos.
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  Speaker 4: Our executive producers are Wilmri Valdorama, Freddie Rodriguez, Aaron Burlson,
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: and Leo Klem at WV Sound.
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  Speaker 3: This episode was shot and edited it by Ryan Posts
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: and mixed by Sean Tracy, and features original music by
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: Madison Devenport and Helo boy.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: Our cover art photography is by David Avalos and designed
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: by Deny Holtz.
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  Speaker 3: Claw And thank you for being at Third Amigo today.
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: I appreciate you guys always listening to those amigos.
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  Speaker 2: See you next week.