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Dirty Rush: Mother knows best: Sorority House Moms speak out! · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Dirty Rush, The Truth about Sorority Life with
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  Speaker 1: your hosts me Gia, Judice Davy Kent, and Jennifer Kessler. Hi, guys,
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  Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of Dirty Rush. Today, we
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  Speaker 1: are joined by the women who truly see it all
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  Speaker 1: the backbone of every sorority house. They run the show,
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  Speaker 1: keep the chaos somewhat under control, and somehow know everything
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  Speaker 1: before anyone else does. We are talking about sorority house moms,
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  Speaker 1: or they are officially known house directors. Trust me, nothing
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  Speaker 1: gets past them. All right, let me get into it.
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  Speaker 1: Well first, my, so we're going back now, guys, to
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight. So I did have a house mom
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  Speaker 1: at University of Texas at the AFI House. And the
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  Speaker 1: only name I know that she has is Aunt Millie.
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  Speaker 1: So that's what we called her, and I feel like
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  Speaker 1: her name almost completely describes her. She was like an aunt,
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  Speaker 1: like an older aunt, and from what I remember, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sorry at Millie. She was a little stuffy, a little strict,
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  Speaker 1: and she was there in a motherly capacity. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think she was a house mom that let's say we
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  Speaker 1: ran to with our boy problems per se. She was
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  Speaker 1: just really trying to control the chaos that is a
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  Speaker 1: sorority house. But our guests are fabulous. They are going
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  Speaker 1: to give you the dirt and talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about how they got into this line of business. So okay,
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  Speaker 1: let's go ahead and bring in our first house director,
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  Speaker 1: and her name is c. C. Calvo. Welcome, Hi, How
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  Speaker 1: are you here?
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  Speaker 2: I'm good?
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  Speaker 1: Are you sure you are a director of a house
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  Speaker 1: because you look like you're you should be in a house.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 3: I get that so often of that.
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  Speaker 4: I started out when I was twenty seven, So just
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  Speaker 4: imagine how much younger I look now.
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  Speaker 1: Then wait, you're older than twenty seven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm thirty nine.
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  Speaker 1: Look at you, well done, you look twenty two.
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  Speaker 2: Genetics.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was saying before we brought you in that
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  Speaker 1: my house mother, which is what we called her back
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty eight. Her name was Aunt Millie and
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  Speaker 1: she did not look like Ceci, and I just tried
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  Speaker 1: to picture how, first of all, how did this happen?
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  Speaker 1: How did you get this job? Tell me a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: So so I started out, I am a serty woman.
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't a chapter advisor for my chapter back home
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  Speaker 4: in Miami, and we were at a training that happened
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  Speaker 4: to coincide with a training for house corporations and house directors,
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  Speaker 4: And at some point in conversation we were all done
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  Speaker 4: with the weekend and at the airport, I had been
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  Speaker 4: saying how much I loved interacting with the women as
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  Speaker 4: an advisor, and I wish that there was kind of
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  Speaker 4: a different way to interact with them and just be
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  Speaker 4: more involved. And someone from a housing corporation was like,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you'd make such a great house bomb, and
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  Speaker 4: I was I looked around.
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  Speaker 3: I was like me, I'm like, I mean, isn't that
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  Speaker 3: like typically.
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  Speaker 1: One for someone older at like Millie?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: And I wanted to choose my words very carefully because
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  Speaker 4: she was an older woman, and she was like, we know,
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  Speaker 4: traditionally that's what we've always had, is the older house directors.
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  Speaker 4: But one thing we talked about this weekend was how
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  Speaker 4: a younger house director has a lot of benefits you
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  Speaker 4: understand the.
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  Speaker 3: Generation a little bit more. And I had to take
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  Speaker 3: a pause and be like, yeah, that's technically true.
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  Speaker 4: There's sometimes I question writings, right, But the other thing
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  Speaker 4: is like liability.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you are so good at.
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  Speaker 4: You know, if you break your leg in the house,
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  Speaker 4: like you're gonna keep working. And I was like, it's
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  Speaker 4: sad that you know that. And she was like, but
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  Speaker 4: an older person like the And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 4: they might break their hip or something.
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  Speaker 3: And be out. She's like, well, that's a lot worse.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that took a darker turn
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  Speaker 3: than I am thought.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And so I started looking into it and it
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  Speaker 4: just kind of happened.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So just so I'm clear, So are you a
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  Speaker 1: housemum for the same sorority that you were a member of? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: but I have been Okay, so you've moved around a
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  Speaker 1: little bit.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I moved around a little bit. I've worked in
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  Speaker 4: California for two years. I did two years in New
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  Speaker 4: Jersey actually at Rutgers in New Brunswick at Zeta where
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  Speaker 4: Gia was a member.
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  Speaker 2: So I was.
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  Speaker 3: I was the house director the year before.
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  Speaker 1: She got missed her.
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  Speaker 3: I just missed her, but I did get me.
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  Speaker 4: So when I got to me Teresa when she did
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  Speaker 4: her book tour and was going around, and I worked
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  Speaker 4: for another organization in Orlando, Florida, and now I'm in
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  Speaker 4: North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, so this is not just a job for you.
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  Speaker 1: You're not just segueing into something else.
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  Speaker 3: This is your career, this is my career currently.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it puts a new spin on it on
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  Speaker 1: being a house director because of Ann Millie. I think
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  Speaker 1: that is a woman who's maybe retired and I, you know,
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  Speaker 1: really sort of vary into sorority or Greek life or
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  Speaker 1: was in their heyday. But this is a different thing.
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  Speaker 1: Are more women your age becoming interested in doing this?
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  Speaker 4: We are seeing a really big uptick in younger house directors.
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  Speaker 4: The campus that I'm currently at actually has a majority
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  Speaker 4: of house directors that are in their early thirties. And
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  Speaker 4: I have been my experience has always been the older
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  Speaker 4: house directors on campuses.
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  Speaker 3: I've been the youngest at.
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  Speaker 4: The last three campuses by at least twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Thirty years, right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been.
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  Speaker 4: Really refreshing to see kind of younger house directors joining
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  Speaker 4: and really being a part of it and using it
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  Speaker 4: as a stepping stone either to get into some sort
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  Speaker 4: of housing position within their national organizations or national organization,
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  Speaker 4: or just to really get the experience and kind of
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  Speaker 4: like figure out if this is something that they.
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  Speaker 3: Want to continue doing.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, So do you think it is something you want
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  Speaker 1: to continue doing.
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  Speaker 3: I definitely do.
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  Speaker 4: I've loved it so far. I've been a house director
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  Speaker 4: for about eleven years. This fall, I did take a
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  Speaker 4: year off when I had a family member passed away.
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  Speaker 4: That was a little hard for me to kind of
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  Speaker 4: want to dedicate another year. But I came back into
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  Speaker 4: it and I was in my last house for the
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  Speaker 4: last five years and then decided I needed to change
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  Speaker 4: and moved up and I'm closer to family now. So
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  Speaker 4: it's really nice and it definitely has its ups and downs,
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  Speaker 4: but it's such a great job, especially if you love
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  Speaker 4: connecting with college age members.
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  Speaker 1: Well, tell me, like, what does your job look like
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  Speaker 1: on a daily Like what's a typical day.
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  Speaker 4: So a typical day can be really a lot of
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  Speaker 4: different things. You're either super busy to the point where
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  Speaker 4: like there have been days where I am NonStop from
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  Speaker 4: like seven in the morning to like nine o'clock at night,
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  Speaker 4: or even past that when the members have socials, and
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  Speaker 4: I'll forget to eat, Like there have been days where
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  Speaker 4: I've forgotten to grab lunch and I have to like
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  Speaker 4: stop myself and be like, wait, did I only am
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  Speaker 4: I only surviving off of coffee. Is that what's.
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  Speaker 1: Happening right now, right right, But.
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  Speaker 4: It can be anything from you know, morning meetings with
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  Speaker 4: having vendors coming out, plumbers, hvac work, checking in with
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  Speaker 4: the staff. I like to do that a couple times
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  Speaker 4: a day, just to make sure that you know, housekeeping
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  Speaker 4: is up to date. At the kitchen, I would like
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  Speaker 4: to check in make sure they have everything they need.
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  Speaker 3: If there's anything that they need me.
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  Speaker 4: To go get for them, or the members need anything,
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  Speaker 4: I can go out and run errands.
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  Speaker 3: And then there's some days.
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  Speaker 4: Where you're just sitting here waiting for something to happen.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, how much would you say, what's the percentage
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  Speaker 1: of the logistic part of your job, like you know,
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  Speaker 1: making sure that hv is working, as opposed like being
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  Speaker 1: there for the girls. I mean I would think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of that involved as well, right, And
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  Speaker 1: also I'm picturing that you have to you're sort of
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  Speaker 1: the disciplinarian kind of kind of okay.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, so a lot of being a house director is, yes,
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  Speaker 4: it's really the property management aspect of it. You are
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  Speaker 4: taking care of the physical house, making sure it's running correctly,
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  Speaker 4: but a large part of it is also the members.
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  Speaker 4: Not every organization has their house directors as involved, but
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  Speaker 4: I have always wanted to make sure that my number
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  Speaker 4: one job is the health, safety and well being of
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  Speaker 4: the members.
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  Speaker 3: That is the end all be all for me. I
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  Speaker 3: need to make sure that.
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  Speaker 4: They are happy and healthy because it causes me a
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  Speaker 4: lot less problems, right And I love to interact with
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  Speaker 4: them and help them out with events if they need it,
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  Speaker 4: or help them with you know, I've done anything from
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  Speaker 4: like tutoring members in Spanish to just going and supporting
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  Speaker 4: them when they invite me to things. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: probably my favorite part, is when they go out of
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  Speaker 4: their way to invite you to make sure that they
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  Speaker 4: want you there to support them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because you are such a great age
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  Speaker 1: I would think for in terms of like having a
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  Speaker 1: friendship with these girls, is it a hard line ever?
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  Speaker 1: Because you know they probably want to hang out with
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  Speaker 1: you and get wasted and you know, oh yeah, do
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  Speaker 1: so do you have to sort of, you know, maintain
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  Speaker 1: an era of professionalism or can you kind of have
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  Speaker 1: some fun with them?
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  Speaker 4: And I've always from my chapter advisor days, again, I'm
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  Speaker 4: a very much younger person and always been close in
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  Speaker 4: age with the members that I'm dealing with. So I've
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  Speaker 4: always been friendly but not friends, right and.
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  Speaker 3: Let them know.
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  Speaker 4: And I always say that in the beginning when I
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  Speaker 4: meet with them, it's like I can be your best
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  Speaker 4: friend or your worst enemy.
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  Speaker 3: The choice is yours. At the end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm not here to be best friends with
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  Speaker 3: you guys, and you know, like Brady each other's hair
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  Speaker 3: and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: But I do always want the members to feel comfortable
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  Speaker 4: coming to talk to me, and I tell them that,
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  Speaker 4: you know, if you guys want to come talk to me,
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  Speaker 4: and if it's something sort of related or school related
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  Speaker 4: or personal, like if you just need somebody to listen.
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  Speaker 3: To you, my door is always open. My door is
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  Speaker 3: always open.
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  Speaker 4: You are welcome to come and talk to me, and
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  Speaker 4: I can literally just listen. And if you need me
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  Speaker 4: to give you advice or suggestions, we can work together
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  Speaker 4: on that. If it's just you just need somebody to
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  Speaker 4: listen to you, I'm just here to hear.
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  Speaker 1: So it sounds like we say house director now not
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  Speaker 1: house mom, which certainly makes sense in this occasion. But
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  Speaker 1: my question is do you feel like a mom sometimes?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine that you are rallying all
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  Speaker 1: of these let's I mean, let's call them kids for
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  Speaker 1: our purposes. What are they? Sometimes they are what nineteen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're between the ages of like eighteen and twenty one,
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  Speaker 4: twenty two sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The title really changes and it's really dependent on the person.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of house directors when I first started, referred
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  Speaker 4: to it as like oh, house mom, or they were
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  Speaker 4: like mom B or mom.
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  Speaker 1: D you know.
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  Speaker 4: And I was twenty seven, twenty eight years old, and
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  Speaker 4: I was like, I.
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  Speaker 3: Am no one's mom.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah right, And so when we settled on my first house,
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  Speaker 4: we settled on my nickname was HD because house director
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  Speaker 4: is the formal title and I wasn't. I didn't want
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  Speaker 4: to be a mom anything, and so we settled on HD.
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  Speaker 4: I've gone by my full name, Cecilia. At my previous house,
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  Speaker 4: I was CC. Here I miss CC. So we just
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  Speaker 4: added a little formality to it because we're in the South. Ye,
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  Speaker 4: So it's been It definitely has this moments where you
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  Speaker 4: have to kind of remember, like you're you're an adult,
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  Speaker 4: or as my girls one time called it, you're the
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  Speaker 4: adult adult in the house.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, good, I like that. Have you ever
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  Speaker 1: had a moment when you have to like step in
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  Speaker 1: and you didn't feel maybe because you are a certain
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  Speaker 1: age capable of hand of handling you know, these young
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  Speaker 1: women's issues. I would think that it would be I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's overwhelming for me at age fifty seven sometimes and
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  Speaker 1: my kids are a little older than college age now.
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  Speaker 1: But do you feel equipped to handle, you know, everything
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  Speaker 1: that gets thrown at you. I would think it would
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  Speaker 1: be challenging at times.
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  Speaker 4: I definitely feel like there's been times where I shouldn't
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  Speaker 4: or I don't think I was capable of handling something,
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  Speaker 4: and I will try very hard to acknowledge that where
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, this is above my pay grade. There's some
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  Speaker 4: things that I'm equipped to deal with as the house director,
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  Speaker 4: and there's some things that I'm not, And I will
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  Speaker 4: outsource it to the you know, the housing corporation or
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  Speaker 4: the Chapter Advice and just you know, send it off
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  Speaker 4: through and just be like, hey, this came to me,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: What to do.
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  Speaker 4: What would you like me to do? And what are
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  Speaker 4: these situations like? And I've had a myriad of things
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  Speaker 4: from mental health issues to sexual assault confessions, and you
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  Speaker 4: just kind of have to deal with it. I try
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  Speaker 4: and do training as much as I can. And we
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  Speaker 4: do have a house director's conference that I like to attend.
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  Speaker 4: I try and attend every summer just because it helps
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  Speaker 4: me reset and I get to share with other house directors,
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  Speaker 4: either my age or older and learn from their experiences
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  Speaker 4: and kind of have that back and forth. And it
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  Speaker 4: really does give me like a mental and physical like
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  Speaker 4: reset button before I start.
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  Speaker 3: My next semester.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm wondering though, like what is your life like
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  Speaker 1: living in the house. Are you able to have your
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  Speaker 1: own social life? I don't know, Like, you know, you're
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  Speaker 1: going out on dates two unless I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you're married or no? No, so are you dating? You're
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  Speaker 1: living in the house? You have you know your own
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  Speaker 1: Can you have a pet in the house for the
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  Speaker 1: listeners that may be interested in doing something like this?
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  Speaker 5: I do.
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  Speaker 4: I actually have my This is Louie b. He is
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  Speaker 4: my animal companion and has been for the last fifteen years. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: this is the second house that I've been allowed to
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  Speaker 4: have him at when I'm not when I haven't been
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  Speaker 4: in a house where he's allowed, I usually have him
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  Speaker 4: with my parents. My mom takes care of him during
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  Speaker 4: the year and for the most part, for.
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  Speaker 3: Ten months out of the year, I am this is
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  Speaker 3: my life.
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  Speaker 4: I will still have times where I can go out
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  Speaker 4: and socialize and hang out with friends. I try and
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  Speaker 4: keep that to like evenings and sparingly and on the weekends,
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  Speaker 4: especially because most of the time the members are off
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  Speaker 4: having fun going to the beach or like hanging out
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  Speaker 4: with their friends are going home. So I mean, I'll
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  Speaker 4: try and make time for myself to go and just
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  Speaker 4: distress because it can be really difficult. Like you said,
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  Speaker 4: we live here in the house and another house director
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  Speaker 4: and I were just talking about this the other day.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when we get upset or when some we
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  Speaker 4: have a bad day, our staff is lucky they get
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  Speaker 4: to go home and you know, throw things and just
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  Speaker 4: like decompress. We this is our home, like our apartments,
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  Speaker 4: our suites are usually in the house. We can't exactly
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  Speaker 4: throw a temper tantrum and slam the door because.
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  Speaker 3: Our problems are on the other side of that door.
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  Speaker 4: We just have to find ways of like you know,
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  Speaker 4: resetting and just escaping the house for a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: even if it's just going for a walk around the
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  Speaker 4: campus or in my case, I have again, like I said,
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  Speaker 4: I have family nearby, so on the weekends, I'll go
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  Speaker 4: hang out with my cousins, or we'll have family dinner
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  Speaker 4: once a month.
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  Speaker 3: So I'll make sure.
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  Speaker 4: To just keep leave my schedule open for that so
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  Speaker 4: that I know I can have some time just be
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  Speaker 4: normal and kind of get away from the house and.
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  Speaker 3: Have that break.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you see this as I'm not talking about
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  Speaker 1: you personally necessarily, but like as a long term career
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  Speaker 1: for a woman who because it's so it's such a
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  Speaker 1: specific thing, right, You're living in a submerty house with
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of young women. You don't have your own
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  Speaker 1: space except for your room, I would think, or you're stained,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't know what it would be like to
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  Speaker 1: even have a relationship in a situation like this. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that any house directors can have a significant other?
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  Speaker 1: Can they? Is that allowed?
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  Speaker 3: They can? They can?
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  Speaker 4: In fact, yeah, when I was a new member twenty
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  Speaker 4: something years ago of my sorority, I actually there was
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  Speaker 4: a chapter that I was very familiar with that had
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  Speaker 4: a house mom and house dad.
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  Speaker 1: Really she was married.
• 15:25
  Speaker 4: Her husband basically was the maintenance worker, I like, the
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: handyman basically for the house and in the current organization
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: I work at, they actually allow you to have a spouse.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Oh wow.
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: They're not allowed to be on the meal plan like
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: you are, but they are allowed to like live in
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: with you, and they are subject to the same rules
• 15:45
  Speaker 4: you are. They allowed to basically stay in the suite
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: and then just go in and out, but not like
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: free range.
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: Of the house.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. What do you think is the most rewarding part
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: of being a house director?
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: I love I love it the end of your time
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: with them, when they're ready to graduate, when they thank
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: you and you realize you don't you know, a lot
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: of the time, we don't realize how much of an
• 16:08
  Speaker 4: impact the little time that we have with them makes. Right,
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: But when they do graduate, or when they do tell you,
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: like you you saying this did so much for me, Like,
• 16:18
  Speaker 4: you don't know how much this meant to me.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: I have had a number of experiences that way.
• 16:23
  Speaker 4: When I left my most recent house, I got so
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: many letters that the women of the chapter and I
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: cried so hard.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Oh well, they're all very lucky young women. Thank you
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: so much for coming on CC. All right, you guys,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: So next we have Crystal. Hi.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Hi.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: We're excited to have you, and apparently you have been
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: a house director for six years at an ACC school.
• 17:02
  Speaker 6: Correct, I had, right, Yes, I've also worked at Big
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: Ten as well.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: Wow. Well, like our guest right before you, you look
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: way too young to have been doing this for that long.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Tell us please a little bit about how you got
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: into this. How did you become a house director?
• 17:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: Absolutely so. My trajectory is a little unique.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: Because I think I was getting my master's at university
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: in the North, so Big Ten at the time, and
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: part of the work that you do for a master's
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: program is you do have something that's called an assistant ship,
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: and so that was a resident director role for a
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: sorority organization I was there, So that was the Big Ten.
• 17:49
  Speaker 6: I worked for a university owned house for about two
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: years there and then transition to what is like formerly
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: known as like a house director role to another organization
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: right at that exact same campus and work there for
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: another two years, and then I made my way back
• 18:07
  Speaker 6: to the South which is home for me, to ACC
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: school and have been in this role for about four
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: years now.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Cool. What do you think is the hardest part and
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: what do you think is the most fun part? Of
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: doing this.
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: Hardest part is I think you having to strike well,
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: I'll say two things, probably striking a balance of like
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: my own personal life and the professional space and reputation
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: that I want to have. And so by that I
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: mean you live in with the women. That's not every
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: house director's experience. Some have like houses that are adjacent.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: Some are just like more stop in property management type roles.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: But for those of us who are in the fire
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: together living in with the women, you're living with you know,
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: forty to one hundred, you know, depending on how large
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: the house can hold collegiate women, and you know they
• 19:02
  Speaker 6: have their moments, and so I think just trying to
• 19:05
  Speaker 6: again know that you have to kind of be on
• 19:08
  Speaker 6: the moment that you step out of your suite, which
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: is you know, pretty visible. Girls can access you twenty
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: four to seven. And so I think it's just again
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: making sure that I have hobbies, I have interests that
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: if it's something educationally I want to pursue, that I'm
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: doing those things for myself, if it's connecting with family,
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: that I'm still doing those things. I think sometimes my
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: family can get like weirded out trying.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: To come and visit me because it's like, yeah, seven
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: hundred people that they every single time.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: That they're come to the house, but when they sit
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: down and have dinner with me and it's like, oh,
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: you have a private chef, I'm like, yes, I do
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: have a lot of great.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Perks for that.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Really bad, Okay, it's not.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: It's not. I don't have a grocery build and that
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: feels good.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Not yeah, not bad And hopefully you don't rent so
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: and all that is a plus.
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So what about are you in a relationship? Can I
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: ask you? Are? Okay? So how do you balance that?
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: Somebody like myself who's had a long term partner, the
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: women get used to their presence at the house, right,
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: and so they're not necessarily a stranger. But I could
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: imagine somebody navigating dating and that being a well, this
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: is my space, but it's a shared space. And so
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: I think you got to get clear on the policies.
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: You gotta get clear with the house corporation what the
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: dos and don'ts are a lot of I will say
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: for my work, university owned housing have live in partner policies.
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: You sign in a dindum where you have your partner
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: have a background check.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: So they go through all the kind.
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: Of jump holes and bells and whistles, if you will,
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: to make sure operationally and liability wise.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Everybody's covered and everybody's get to go.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: But it's a benefit to have a suite that is
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: just dedicated to me and my space, and I get
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: to decorate at how I want and all those things.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: And I've been fortunate my House Corporation has furnished it,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: so you know, my partner will come here. We tend
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: not to be in other spaces outside of the dining
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: room when they're like events that the girls have put
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: on philanthropy for example. But you know, this is what
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: I will always say about house directors. I'm like, live
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: your life, like, have your relationships again, do the things
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: that bring you joy, because your life is so much
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: of the work and you can't really escape it, right.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Because you live.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: I wonder like, does that make it in terms of
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: moving forward moving through the years. Is this something that
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: you think you can do long term? Is it that
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: kind of a career or is it something that you
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: are always thinking of next steps?
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I think for me it has been a bit of both.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: So I think coming from getting my masters again doing
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: student affairs work like I can absolutely make this a career.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I can stay within a house director role.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: I can jump to different universities throughout, so I can
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: again just a mass I think, and have greater chapter
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: sizes if you will, right, going Tobama right, that kind
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: of thing, I think is progression because you're dealing with
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: a larger house, you're dealing with different staff. But I
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: also think you can kind of segue into national officer
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: roles for different organizations.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: There are a lot of property manager roles that will
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: go to each house and kind of help to guide
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: and take care of the house directors there, so that
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: can be a segue too. I think for me, I'm
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: probably going to do something different if that's continuing to
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: work up my way in terms of higher education and
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: student affairs work. I don't think this will be the
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: end all, be all, but I am so grateful to
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: have the experience because I don't pay rent. I am
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: close proximity to the downtown area where I live at.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: I love this chapter to death and they have been honestly,
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: the three that I've worked for, they're really great.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: What makes what makes them better the best store?
• 22:55
  Speaker 6: Honestly, I think the girl one I was navigating the
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: pandemic with a couple of the and that everybody was
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: just losing.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: And so, yeah, it is is brutal.
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: It's not the kind of sisterhood that they wanted to
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: curate for themselves, right, And then others were just wild
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: and I'm like, y'all are giving me a headache. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: don't want to deal with all of your foolishness. All
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: I want so this, this group has been really awesome,
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: and I'm close to family, which is so grounding for me.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Right, that's so nice. So without asking you this personally,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: so let's just say big picture, it would be good
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: money and being a house director.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: I think if you can find I'll say the ideal
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: situation is maybe you have a part time house director
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: role and you have an on campus.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Or other job.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: I have known and worked with house directors who are
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: also nurses, house directors who are also police officers, house
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: directors who had other campus jobs, right, And so I
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: think you can really make it work for you. Those
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: are probably the lower end of the pay scale, but yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: I will say you can have full time pay and salary,
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: you can have great benefits depending on how the university
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: has structured the relationship or if the national organization has
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: those things in place. So yeah, I do think it
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: can be really good money. It's not the most well
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: paid job, but you got to think about I think
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: the additional benefits ran all of the things, the.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Food and going to save money for.
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: A house for your own house, right, not just And
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: I will also say every time the women leave, I'm like,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: I have a mansion, so that feels great.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Bye, enjoy your spring break far, get out of here.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Don't let the divide bull of the door. Here are
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: you well? Listen, thank you so much for coming on.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: We really have enjoyed talking to you. I wish that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: I had had a house director like you as a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: pupposed to the sort of crotchety older woman that I had.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: But anyway, enjoy doing what you're doing. And thank you
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: so much for coming on. Dirty rush. All right you guys.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: So now our next guest is miss Ashley. Hi Ashley, Hey,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: how are you well? How are you doing?
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: Doing pretty good?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I say, Miss Ashley. I'm assuming you're not a missus
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: because you look very young to me also to be
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a house director. But can I ask you how old.
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: You are sure? Yes, I'm twenty four years old.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Wow, are you sure You've been out of college barely?
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I got went into my master's program right out of
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: undergrad so yeah, I'm only two years postgrad.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So your masters. You're getting your master's in Yes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I'm getting my master's in public health.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you are you're doing this? You're a house
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: director and you're getting your master's at the same time. Yes, correct,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: busy girl. Yes, he's a young lady. Yes, young woman. Wow.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: I mean I just I'm looking at you and I
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: just can't help but think that you must have some
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: stories to tell.
• 26:09
  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I was in a sorority for four years
• 26:12
  Speaker 5: and now have been the house director for just one year.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: But I'm the house director at the same school that
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I was.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Get out. Wait, okay, so what was your house director
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: like when you were in the house.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: She was nice. She was a little older than me.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: She was around sixty.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I'm so older.
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we didn't have like a close relationship by any means,
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: but you know, she was she was there and around, and.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: She was a little silly, a little sillyer than me.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I think, how do you think you're doing it? Differently.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: What is I mean, it's obvious to me that these
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: you know, these young women are going to look at
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: you differently than they did a sixty year old woman.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: But do you think you're Are you closer to them
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: than maybe your house director was to you? Is do
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: you think it's easier to be your age more difficult?
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: I think that there's only pros and cons. I think
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: I am a little bit closer with them. I was
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: a senior when they were freshmen the members that live
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: in the house currently, so we already kind of had
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: this established relationship before I came into the house director role.
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: And yeah, I definitely think it makes us closer. They're
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: a lot more comfortable with me, and you know, can
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: come to me if they need things, and you know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: I friends is like, maybe, you know, not the right
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: word because there has to be some boundaries. But we're
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: definitely very comfortable with each other. But then you know,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: sometimes it can't make it hard when you have to
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: draw a boundary of being in a place of authority,
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: it's a little bit different.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Do they want you to party with them? Do they
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: try to get you too?
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: They asked me.
• 27:43
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I can't ever tell if they're being serious or not.
• 27:46
  Speaker 5: But that is actually one thing I don't do.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: I don't party with them at all, but they do.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: They do invite me out sometimes.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I'll bet they do. I'll bet they do. So Okay,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit in terms of what
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: you're doing every day, because is it a lot of
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: just sort of being there for the girls, talking them
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: through stuff, or being a disciplinarian, or is it more
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: We talked to a couple of other house directors. They
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: are running the house, so they are in charge of
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: the maintenance of the house and the employees, and so
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: you're doing all of that as well.
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: So our chapter is around I think like two hundred
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: and seventy five members. We have a house obviously on campus,
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: which is different than some schools.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I kind of do it all.
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: We do have a facilities director who's in the chapter,
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: so they kind of do most of the facilitation with
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: the members. But yes, I handle all of the maintenance
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: that goes on. Right now, we're getting our house renovated,
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: so I'm kind of handling a lot of the deliveries
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: and meeting with people who have to come look at
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: the house. I think we had maybe ten people come
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: to the house to look at our floors, so meeting
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: with them every every day when they would come. I'm
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: not in charge of the other employees, so our kitchen
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: staff or the house cleaner, those are managed separately. But
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: I do have a good relationship with them too. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: talk to them every day. I normally if they need something. Normally,
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: I do make the calls if it has to do
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: with maintenance specifically, and sometimes I'm a liaison two.
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: To like the Upper House Corporation.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: Wow, so serious job. This is not a joke.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: It is a lot of work, and I think some
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: people don't understand that.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, going into it sounds like a lot of work.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Today I'm learning that it's a lot of work. Tell
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: me about I don't know, something crazy that's happened, Something
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: funny that's happened. Tell like our listeners want to know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: you know, they're definitely going to be listening and thinking,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: here is this young, adorable person and she's the house director.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: Has anything crazy happened?
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: I don't know about crazy.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: The members really are so sweet and they're so respectful,
• 29:54
  Speaker 5: which is really nice. I mean, of course there's things
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: that go on I'm sure maybe a little bit under
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: my nose, but I feel like the craziest thing. Especially
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: at our school, the houses are a little bit older,
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: so it will just be any random day, any random weekend,
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: something breaks, something stops working, he goes out, the ac
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: goes out, the dishwasher brakes, and you're just like, what
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: am I supposed to be? I'm like twenty four.
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: Before, like, I don't know who to call you out
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: for me?
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Literally, your mom? I do.
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Sometimes I think this is actually my job. I need
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: you know everyone.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Do you have other house moms you can call? Is
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: there any community of house moms? Really?
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: Definitely, So that's nice.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: Our school has not too many sororities, so the community
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: is pretty small and they're really nice everyone. Most of
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: the other house directors have been here for a little
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: bit longer, so they are really open about sharing contacts
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: of people that they use, like like recycling people or
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: past Everyone's really open about sharing who they use, so
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: I can always kind of reach out to them, which
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: is really nice. And then also like my bosses who
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: work for the chapter, they're always there to help me
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: to yeah anything, so.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Right, right, do you see yourself doing this? For a
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: long time.
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: Honestly, no, because I was kind of using this while
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: I was in grad school to just to help me
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: make a little bit more money.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: And I'm a stable place to live.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: But if I was in like a transitional period, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: totally would keep doing it. And I totally understand why
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: some like older women who maybe are single and whose
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: kids have you know, grown up, do it because it
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: really does give you a really.
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: Amazing sense of community. You're never lonely.
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: I mean, you're around time, and it is it is
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: a really lucky job to have. I think, Yeah, I
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: mean it gets you a lot of which is.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Well, what about your personal life? Is it hard to
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Are you single?
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: No?
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: I do have a boyfriend, Okay.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: So how is it managing that? Is he allowed to
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: come see you at the house? Yeah?
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: So we are long distance, so it doesn't make it
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  Speaker 5: too hard just because he's like, we're not in the
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: same place all the time. And then the way our
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: house is set up is I kind of have a
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: separate apartment and that has a separate entrance.
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  Speaker 7: So yeah, so he is allowed over, but he has
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: to use like.
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  Speaker 5: That separate entrance and then he's not really allowed to
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: be in like the main house without me because our
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: house is a public space for members, so they are
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: allowed to have guests over in the daytime. So it's
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: kind of a similar, a similar idea, like he's allowed
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: here when he's with me in the day during meals,
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: but yeah, definitely not allowed like by himself and like
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: to want for her anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, has have you ever had to manage something dangerous
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: that's happened? Has there ever been anything where you're like, Okay,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: I am twenty four years old, I can't I mean
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: to that. Have you had anything specific you could think of?
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: I'm a couple things not really have to do with me,
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: but I know there was a member who kind of
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: had a strange run in with an older man, and
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: just we kind of had to like be on the
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: lookout and just like know that if you know, anyone
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: approached the house, like trying to like draw a boundary
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: of just like don't let anybody in the house that
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: you don't know if someone's knocking asking for someone, like
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: kind of I need to be that first line of
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: defense almost like I will come and approach them. And
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: it does seem a little interesting because you know, I'm
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: telling these twenty one year olds to tell me.
• 33:46
  Speaker 7: A twenty year yeah, you know, like let me know.
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: So I can kind of deal with it. But I
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: mean that's just kind of the job that you have
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: to do, like you are still supposed to kind of
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: be in this you know.
• 33:56
  Speaker 7: Protective space course, of course.
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  Speaker 5: And I was in an executive position when I was
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: in the sorority and undergrad so I think I kind
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: of already have that mentality of like I've I've had
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: to kind of what's the word, Like I've had to
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: be like the face of the chapter before and kind
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: of like be the first line of right.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Of course.
• 34:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm kind of used to it.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: And I don't I don't mind telling a man to
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: you know, go away.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Would you recommend this? Do you think this is something
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: that you would tell your friends that are maybe just
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: graduating that this is you know, a great segue maybe
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: into something else, or you would one.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: Hundred I have said so many times like I feel
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: so grateful for the opportunity because it kind of just
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: worked out timing wise, like our old house director was
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: changing into a different career and my old advisors just
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: reached out and was like, Hey, they didn't even ask
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: me specifically, they were just like, do you know anyone interested?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: And I've been thinking about it and it was.
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: Like, you know, this could be a really awesome opportunity,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: especially in that school where you know money, money can
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: be tight. Totally, so I one hundred percent recommend it.
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: I think maybe you need to know your kind of
• 35:13
  Speaker 5: personality and what the chapter is like going into it,
• 35:17
  Speaker 5: and I think it made it easier just being familiar
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: with the chapter obviously, but I recommend it, especially young people.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: If the chapter is open to having a younger house director.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: I think that it makes your relationship really good and
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: they just trust you a lot.
• 35:32
  Speaker 7: More and they of course their issues.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Thank you so much, you guys
• 35:38
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• 35:41
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• 35:44
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