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Feminist Movie Friday: Anne of Avonlea · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm not going to Stephane.
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Speaker 1: Never told your production of I heart radio. Yes, we
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Speaker 1: mentioned earlier in our last FMF or feminist movie Friday
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Speaker 1: we were going to do a part two. And yes,
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Speaker 1: we had to come back around to the sequel of
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Speaker 1: the beloved and of Green Gables, otherwise known as Anne
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Speaker 1: of Avonlea, the continuing story of and of Green Gables.
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Speaker 1: Apparently there's a lot of like remixing of the titles,
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Speaker 1: because that's kind of how I knew it, but then
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Speaker 1: it became and of Green Gables, the sequel, just and
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Speaker 1: of AVONLEA. So there's a few names floating about. And
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Speaker 1: not to be confused with all the other remakes, this
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Speaker 1: is a Sullivan entertainment production or the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation,
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Speaker 1: the CBC. Addition, and yes, Annie and I had to
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Speaker 1: download Gazebo TV in order to be able to watch
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Speaker 1: the sequel, which is a delight in itself. Am I right? Yes, yes, yes, Um,
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Speaker 1: it was quite funny the links we went to. I think,
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Speaker 1: as you said, GEO TV is sort of like hallmark,
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Speaker 1: but for like pioneer times, are like older, older times,
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Speaker 1: kind a thing. Yeah, but but we we put in
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Speaker 1: the effort and here we are in my discovery as
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Speaker 1: I have signed up for now, since we're subscribed to it.
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Speaker 1: They sent me an advertising for the Inna Green Gables
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Speaker 1: Cookbook and I'm a little intrigued on what is in there,
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Speaker 1: because it seems legitimately like old school, uh, like the
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Speaker 1: ovens that are just fire ovens, fire stoves that you
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Speaker 1: are the open flames, essentially, and I'm like should I? No,
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Speaker 1: I can't because I don't use any of the cookbooks.
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Speaker 1: I am not very good at cookbooks in general. But
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Speaker 1: like wow, I was like, Oh, they legitimately go all
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Speaker 1: the way into this era. Yeah, apparently, yes, and again, uh, hilariously,
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Speaker 1: kind of eerily, because I'm like, Oh, yeah, my phone
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Speaker 1: listens to me and I forget this sometimes, but it wasn't.
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Speaker 1: It was because of a mutual of mine liked this.
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Speaker 1: But there was a tweet this week and I have
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Speaker 1: to share it because it falls along the lines of
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Speaker 1: US talking about and Green Gables and of Avonlea, and
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Speaker 1: the tweet says, quote, now that hot girl summer is
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Speaker 1: coming to an end and of avonlea autumn can begin,
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Speaker 1: we're reading an ungodly amount of fantasy. We're climbing trees,
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Speaker 1: swimming in lakes and baking pies. We're getting into wholesome
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Speaker 1: trouble and telling me boys to get wrecked. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: this was from at R A, W Reece, not the
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Speaker 1: maame way you spill it, but close, and I love that.
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Speaker 1: I was like how in the world, I swear, what
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Speaker 1: is happening, that the universe comes together, that the week
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Speaker 1: that you and I are watching these movies, that they
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Speaker 1: must tweet this. And then it got like over seventeen
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Speaker 1: thousand likes, as it should, as it deserves, because it
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Speaker 1: is an amazing tweet. And LENNA say it's Evergreen for me, Um,
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Speaker 1: but she puts in later. She like, Oh my God,
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Speaker 1: all the kindred spirits here, and then does the crying
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Speaker 1: emoji phase, and I was like, yes, it's true, and
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Speaker 1: I know everything about this because I love the cardigans,
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Speaker 1: the fault picnics. Yes, I'm excited to dive right into
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Speaker 1: this era. I feel like it's calling to me, a
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Speaker 1: sessation girl. Well, you know, it follows my favorite season
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Speaker 1: and I'm already ready to like put on my my
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Speaker 1: warm clothes and my my scarves and froll like in
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Speaker 1: the leaves as they change colors, and each autumn types food,
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Speaker 1: because I love like autumnal food. So yes, I am
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Speaker 1: right there with you, oh so excited. We made chilly
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Speaker 1: the other day because I got a little over excited
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Speaker 1: and it was like eighty five degrees with my it's
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Speaker 1: worth it, it's worth it. But moving on. Yes, we
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Speaker 1: mentioned before are the sequel goes away from the original
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Speaker 1: written second book in Lucy Maud Montgomery's and beloved series.
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Speaker 1: And yes, it tastes us some liberties to the interpretations.
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Speaker 1: We have to admit all of this, as, in fact,
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Speaker 1: the video series is an amalgamation of three of the books,
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Speaker 1: including Anne of Avonlea and of the island and and
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Speaker 1: of Wendy Poplars. And from what I've researched, as I
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Speaker 1: haven't read any of the books, I'm sorry, y'all, Sullivan
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Speaker 1: mixed and matched a bit of the characters that were
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Speaker 1: written because he wrote this and some key differences are
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Speaker 1: the romantic plots, location characters and the such. So yes,
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Speaker 1: we know this. It's a big caveat and its own thing,
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Speaker 1: almost outside of the characters that are written in there
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Speaker 1: and the main characters. That is Um and, but people
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Speaker 1: still love it. Uh, I know, the differences again, are big.
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Speaker 1: The TV series still has a high overall rating when
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Speaker 1: I looked at it at the IMDB level, is four
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Speaker 1: point eight out of five stars for a CBC series,
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Speaker 1: and it's dearly beloved, especially by me, and also has
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Speaker 1: been awarded with many, many accolades and awards, including the
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Speaker 1: Golden Hugo award, many Gemini Awards, a Cable Ace awards
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Speaker 1: and many more. So it is still a jewel of
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Speaker 1: a classic. That's how I'm going to say it. MM HMMMM.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it and you can tell
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Speaker 1: I'm very passionate about defending this. I still, yes, I
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Speaker 1: still do need to go back and read all of those,
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Speaker 1: even though they're technically, I guess, children's books. Um, but
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Speaker 1: it's still loved and it still carries through and has
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Speaker 1: carried on, obviously, as it keeps getting remade. Okay, but
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Speaker 1: let's go ahead. WE'RE gonna go jump into the movies plot.
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Speaker 1: We have our characters back, including Megan follows as and
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Speaker 1: Shirley Marilla, played by Colleen Doohurst, Gilbert, played by Jonathan Crombie,
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Speaker 1: Diane played by Schuler Grant, Miss Stacy, played by Maryland Lightstone,
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Speaker 1: and Rachel Lynn, played by Patricia Hamilton's. But we have
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Speaker 1: some new characters, including the Harris family, which includes Morgan Harris, uh,
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Speaker 1: and then his daughter Maline Harris, his mother Mrs Harris
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Speaker 1: and his sister Pauline Harris. Um, and then we get
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Speaker 1: introduced to many of the pringles of kings sport or
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Speaker 1: New Brunswick, Um and that prickly had mistress or principle
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Speaker 1: of Kings Sport Ladies College, uh, Katherine Brook. So they
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Speaker 1: come into play. Of course there's many more characters that
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Speaker 1: we've already known or are new, but it's a pretty
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Speaker 1: big list and we're not gonna do all that. So
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Speaker 1: in the sequel we come back to Anne and her
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Speaker 1: lovely Green Gables Avonlea Adventures, where she's been teaching at
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Speaker 1: the school of Avonlea, with summer coming in school ending
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Speaker 1: and gets ready for all the adventures to come. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then, by the way, and we also get to
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Speaker 1: meet some of the precaustor's children and has been teaching. And,
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Speaker 1: by the way, I think one of the big characters
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Speaker 1: in the book is Anthony Pye, and we only see
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Speaker 1: him in a split second at the beginning. He's one
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Speaker 1: of the ones that get in trouble for smoking in
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Speaker 1: the outhouse Oda, but he's up one of that we see.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we also see uh many may returning again
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Speaker 1: with her crying, and I'm like, how are how is
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Speaker 1: she so on point with the crying? I guess that's
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Speaker 1: maybe that's why she was hired. I don't but also
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Speaker 1: during this time we get to see and being rejected
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Speaker 1: in her recent story that she had sent to a publisher,
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Speaker 1: averrol's revenge, which, by the way, is there's so many
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Speaker 1: great things to that Um and we also need to
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Speaker 1: see her working on the sequel, as we opened up
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Speaker 1: the scene which there is a meet cute between her
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Speaker 1: and Morgan Harris, who we see later on. And yes,
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Speaker 1: he's a dashing, handsome man who is hanging out with
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Speaker 1: the ladies by the coast. You know all those things. Yes,
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Speaker 1: thank you, very sophisticated man. Um and and all her
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Speaker 1: chums have grown up and are making grown up decisions,
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Speaker 1: including marriage, and as such, it is soon revealed, and
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Speaker 1: by Gilbert, that her bosom buddy or friend, Diane has
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Speaker 1: accepted a proposal of marriage to Fred Wright, who she's
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Speaker 1: disappointed by it, also because he's not the romantic, dashing,
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Speaker 1: sophisticated man that they've talked about for so long. Also,
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Speaker 1: she feels like she's losing her best friend. I've been there,
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Speaker 1: I've been there. This all leads to Gilbert proposing to
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Speaker 1: her later on, whom she rejects, as she was more,
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Speaker 1: which includes her moving away and seeing the world and
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Speaker 1: continuing to write. She just she's just not ready to
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Speaker 1: let go of that dream. Um. And yes, there's a
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Speaker 1: clam bake that we witnessed. There's a wedding for Diana
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Speaker 1: as well, all of the beautiful things, and Annie sent
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Speaker 1: me a text with a line and it took me
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Speaker 1: a good ten minutes to figure out she was sending
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Speaker 1: me a line from the movie about the Clam Bake.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Annie. Yeah, well, it was so funny because
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Speaker 1: I was watching it and it was like and then
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Speaker 1: Gilbert were having this fight and then to me a
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Speaker 1: propos of nothing, out of nowhere. Gilbert's like, well, you
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Speaker 1: still coming with me to friends clam bake and I
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Speaker 1: just stopped. Wait, it's important. Annie. The engagement party. Hello,
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Speaker 1: but I love because I was like wait, we were
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Speaker 1: supposed to go to a clamp bank but it was
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Speaker 1: were supposed to do something this weekend. I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: So it was a good, good moment for all. So
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Speaker 1: after all of this and the disappointment and the pain
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Speaker 1: and then the like rejection, there's so much. There's so
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Speaker 1: much the behind the back whispering and talking so painful,
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Speaker 1: she decides to take up a position in Kingsport, New Brunswick,
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Speaker 1: to become a teacher at the all girls school at
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Speaker 1: Kingsport Lady College, where Miss Stacy is overall in charge
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Speaker 1: of Um. And then she soon starts her journey there
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Speaker 1: on rocking grounds, though, as many phil another person should
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Speaker 1: have had that position, a pringle who pretty much owns
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Speaker 1: the town. So the pringles owned this entire town, giant
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Speaker 1: family of them, and so they wanted one of their
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Speaker 1: own who was not qualified, and so it was upset
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Speaker 1: that Anne got this position and her first class it
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Speaker 1: is almost as bumpy, as she ends up on the
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Speaker 1: bad side of the principal, Katherine Brooke, Spelled with a K,
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Speaker 1: who goes back to spell it with a C, because
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Speaker 1: Anne was so glad about this. So that was Oh um,
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Speaker 1: and her having to deal with the young pringle ladies,
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Speaker 1: who are very privileged and very snobby. So we also
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Speaker 1: get to meet emmaline Harris, who we know later as
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Speaker 1: a kindred spirit, and comes to her defense and tries
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Speaker 1: to help. And we find out that the girls have
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Speaker 1: been bullying IMM aligned for not being a pure prinkle,
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Speaker 1: which I would have thought that would have been incess
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Speaker 1: so I was very confused by this. As she says
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Speaker 1: I'm half pringle. Oh my yeah, wait, what? I'm confused.
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Speaker 1: And then, and then, by the way, there's also this
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Speaker 1: that she's been made fun of because her father married
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Speaker 1: his cousin who was the pringle. So they for what? Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there are several moments of me going just doesn't exactly
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Speaker 1: make sense, but okay, I'm gonna go with it, um.
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Speaker 1: And then we find out that m a line is
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Speaker 1: the daughter of the handsome and dashing, sophisticated Morgan Harris,
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Speaker 1: who has a bit of a reputation as a philanderer.
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Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't feel like that's a bad thing,
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Speaker 1: but okay, sure, um. And after an incident with a
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Speaker 1: broken roof and a bicycle, hilarious Mr Harris removes m
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Speaker 1: a line from the school, along with his hefty funds
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Speaker 1: that the school has been receiving until that point. The
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Speaker 1: pringols soon follows suit and threatening to remove their funds
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Speaker 1: as well. They blame and for ruining the school. And
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Speaker 1: here because Miss Stacy with a plan to raise money
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Speaker 1: to save the school and use the pregels to do so,
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Speaker 1: charging twenty five dollars per person for a play, and
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Speaker 1: that seems like a lot of money today for a
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Speaker 1: single high school play. So nineteen O two, nineteen o three,
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Speaker 1: my Gosh, yeah, you know. So. At the same time,
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Speaker 1: and they see reclusive Mrs Arris and her daughter Pauline,
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Speaker 1: who are the caretakers for Emma Line when the father
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Speaker 1: is away. She convinces them to allow her to tutor
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Speaker 1: em a line, who is not attending the school at
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Speaker 1: this time. And yes, of course, the conversation and talks
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Speaker 1: about cannibalism and the reputation of the family and the
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Speaker 1: importance of looking good in front of all of the
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Speaker 1: pring goals in the town, or so many things to
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Speaker 1: be said. Um of course, and charms the family. Brings
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Speaker 1: the light literally, like she opens up the windows to
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Speaker 1: bring in light to the house, uh and to their
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Speaker 1: drab lives which we love to see. Um, here we
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Speaker 1: see so many adventures, with opening up Mrs Harris to
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Speaker 1: see the world again, or at least the town allow
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Speaker 1: music back in, allowing pauline a little bit of freedom,
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Speaker 1: just to any bit of freedom to adventure, as well
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Speaker 1: going to Boston together, which is kind of that fantasy
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Speaker 1: traveling the world with the most handsome man and his family,
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Speaker 1: of course. So we have all of those things come through.
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Speaker 1: She soon finds out the reason for the darkness within
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Speaker 1: the family, the death of Emmaline's mother, and then the
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Speaker 1: reputation is being ruined and all of the rumors, as
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Speaker 1: well as a charge of Mr Harris with her wit
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Speaker 1: and personality and her beautiful looks. Obviously for the play
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Speaker 1: which occurs that evening which the main lead and the
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Speaker 1: main bully, Jen pringle, calls out sick conveniently, but emmiline
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Speaker 1: is able to understudy and wow's everyone with her performance
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Speaker 1: and with the success of the play and wow's the
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Speaker 1: whole community. YEA, even bringing back Jen to apologize. Yea. Um,
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Speaker 1: she is soon invited to the hospital bazaar and it's
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Speaker 1: the toast of the town and, no surprise, Morgan proposes
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Speaker 1: to Anne in the snow very romantic, after she kicks him.
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Speaker 1: We'll see Um and, even though this is exactly what
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Speaker 1: she had dreamed, she said no, realizing she missed home
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Speaker 1: and the people they're including dear s Gil, who she
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Speaker 1: had recently seen. Um and is currently at medical school
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Speaker 1: and engaged to another woman. What Um and adds. The
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Speaker 1: story continues and we see the death of Mrs Harris,
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Speaker 1: which kind of like, oh, everything ends. We find and
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Speaker 1: longing to go back home to her beautiful green gables,
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Speaker 1: turning down a five year contract for the college because
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Speaker 1: she was such a success, but just wants to go
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Speaker 1: home and decides to take Miss Brooks with her for
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Speaker 1: the summer, who accepts finally and lets that cold exterior melt,
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Speaker 1: because and is so persistent to be friends and and
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Speaker 1: says it is a conjured spirit after all, under all
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Speaker 1: those prickles, she says Um. Upon her arrival back home,
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Speaker 1: we find out that Gil has taken ill with a
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Speaker 1: scarlet fever and is dying. Oh No, and then admits
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Speaker 1: her mistake and her feelings for him and it's desperate
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Speaker 1: to talk with him before it's too late and gets
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Speaker 1: a chance to with the fact that she actually wrote
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Speaker 1: her first book, which is she took advice from Gil
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Speaker 1: many a time ago when he said she should just
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Speaker 1: write the stories of the places she knows. So she did.
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Speaker 1: It is published and she takes a copy to Gil
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Speaker 1: who soon recovers and they get to do their long
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Speaker 1: walks or short walks into the woods to the bridge inscene. Beautiful, Samantha, excellent.
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Speaker 1: You're welcome, of course. The next part is, I thought
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Speaker 1: it is and the continuing story, but I think it's
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Speaker 1: also called and Gables continuing story, so I'm a little confused.
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Speaker 1: Cool Cool Um, which I have seen it. I'M NOT
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Speaker 1: gonna make you watch it Andie, even though you can
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Speaker 1: if you want to. I can pull that up. But
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Speaker 1: it goes to her traveling to the US, becoming a writer.
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Speaker 1: There's more death. I believe it also has to do
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Speaker 1: with the World War and find trying to find Gilbert.
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Speaker 1: So there's a lot. There's a lot that continues on,
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Speaker 1: just so you know. But again, I love these stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming on this journey with me. Thank
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Speaker 1: Fan Bake. You know, I hope you enjoyed it as
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Speaker 1: much as I did in my childhood and I still
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Speaker 1: love did I watch it again today as as I
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Speaker 1: was prepping for the supporting maybe did my partner come
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Speaker 1: in and going, are you watching this again? Like, don't
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Speaker 1: start with me. What is the comment? I think it's research.
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Speaker 1: It's research. I love these movies. I think it brings
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Speaker 1: up so much close to like fondness to my heart,
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Speaker 1: just seeing these characters come to life again and watching
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Speaker 1: these like vivid colors of this beautiful area. I do
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Speaker 1: want to go to Prince Edward Island. I think we
16:34
Speaker 1: should go. Hey, anybody from Prince Edward Island wants to
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Speaker 1: sponsor us at any point and have us come through
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Speaker 1: and do some episodes, we're ready, ready putting that out
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Speaker 1: there because I didn't want to go there. But yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's so many themes to this. They're a little similar
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Speaker 1: to the previous obviously, with the independence and the growth
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Speaker 1: and the love and all of the telling of trying
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Speaker 1: to find ourselves some friendships, because the story of Anna
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Speaker 1: Green Gables and Shirley loves people and finds the good
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Speaker 1: in people as much as she can. Um. But one
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Speaker 1: of the things I loved, and I think it kind
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Speaker 1: of reminist is reminiscent over so many, is the idea
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Speaker 1: of home, and maybe that's one of the reasons I
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Speaker 1: loved this movie is that she found her home after
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Speaker 1: so long of searching to belong and that that was
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Speaker 1: never really questioned again. But this, this was her she
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Speaker 1: and when you talk about Anne Shirley, you talked about
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Speaker 1: Avonlea and in Green Gables and I loved every place
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Speaker 1: to that. Also the fact that she did want to
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Speaker 1: travel and she did want to see the world, but
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Speaker 1: in the huge just like I just want to go home. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that resonates with a lot of people when
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Speaker 1: you're at that age where it feels like you have
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Speaker 1: so many forking paths of like well, I could go
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Speaker 1: this way, I could go to this college, or what
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Speaker 1: if I want to go do this? What if I
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Speaker 1: want to be the writer? What if I want to
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Speaker 1: do all these things? And it's interesting early in the
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Speaker 1: beginning you see towards the end of the first one
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Speaker 1: she had been accepted by the town and they're like Oh,
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Speaker 1: you make his proud, and like Oh, they're still talking
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Speaker 1: a little bit about her behind her back, but they
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Speaker 1: do that with everybody Um, and so it kind of
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Speaker 1: immediately starts that way because she's trying to get the
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Speaker 1: stuff published and people are like whispering about what she's
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Speaker 1: trying to do. Um. And then Diana sent her story
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Speaker 1: to a baking powder company. It's reliable, without Anne's permission,
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Speaker 1: but she wins the the award and like everybody kind
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Speaker 1: of clapping her on the back and wanting to autograph
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Speaker 1: and like, as we talked about in the previous one,
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Speaker 1: that kind of small town vibe, but almost needing, like
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Speaker 1: needing to go away to appreciate home even more, like
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Speaker 1: needing to because Marilla, Rachel Lynde, moves in with Marilla
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Speaker 1: after her husband dies, which I thought was very cute,
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Speaker 1: the two of them living together, and Marilla is like,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I want you to go see your dreams.
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Speaker 1: You can go so far. What do you want to do? Go,
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Speaker 1: I I've always felt bad that you stayed here because
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Speaker 1: of this, and and was like quick to reassure like no, no,
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Speaker 1: no, no no, I wanted to do that. Um. But kind
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Speaker 1: of that like yeah, she needed to go out and
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Speaker 1: see because again, you can get all in your head
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Speaker 1: about like what should I do? What is the right
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Speaker 1: path and what is the best thing, and sometimes you
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Speaker 1: just have to go experience something else to be like.
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Speaker 1: You know what, no, this was not for me. Actually,
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Speaker 1: what I want is what I had already, and I
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Speaker 1: think is the other part of that is she made
19:43
Speaker 1: a home, and I think not that. We've talked about
19:45
Speaker 1: a lot about making this home and making the family
19:48
Speaker 1: and sometimes the home is not a place, but it's
19:50
Speaker 1: the people or the group that you love Um or
19:53
Speaker 1: have found so much comfort in, and that's one of
19:56
Speaker 1: the things, like being there in their presence is her home,
20:00
Speaker 1: and I think that's a good thing to note. Only
20:02
Speaker 1: as much as she has made a place for herself
20:05
Speaker 1: out in the world what she feels best, and was
20:08
Speaker 1: with with the people who know her best and bring
20:10
Speaker 1: out the good, bring out all of the good and
20:13
Speaker 1: the bad and the ugly and the impressive, and accept
20:15
Speaker 1: all of that, and I feel like that was such
20:17
Speaker 1: a good like, yes, marilla really knows who she is
20:20
Speaker 1: and coming back to understanding, like the big things that
20:24
Speaker 1: happened for her, with the big significance is who she
20:27
Speaker 1: is and how she's overcome so much Um. So I
20:31
Speaker 1: really did want of reaction, though one of the things
20:33
Speaker 1: I wish I had been able to see, and I
20:35
Speaker 1: know it's a lot because it's already like three minutes longer.
20:38
Speaker 1: Think I don't know, Um, that to see marilla's reaction
20:42
Speaker 1: in her getting a proposal and then her rejecting it.
20:44
Speaker 1: So I didn't really really would love to have seen
20:46
Speaker 1: that reaction. Um, but I think, yeah, I think that's
20:49
Speaker 1: the whole idea of that home and being comfortable, and
20:52
Speaker 1: that's one of the things, uh, we should like we
20:54
Speaker 1: want to talk about later. I want to talk about
20:56
Speaker 1: later about how people there's a comment that if you
20:59
Speaker 1: feel sleepy at a place, it's because you feel comfortable
21:01
Speaker 1: and the first time you've been able to rest. It
21:03
Speaker 1: was like all, I don't know if that's true, because
21:06
Speaker 1: when I get anxious I get sleepy, so that's the
21:08
Speaker 1: opposite for me, I feels like. But that's a different conversation.
21:12
Speaker 1: But kind of that feel, you know, that feel of
21:15
Speaker 1: one and when we talk about that, and that's what's
21:17
Speaker 1: home is and being able to find yourself again, Um,
21:20
Speaker 1: no matter how big you may get, that you feel
21:23
Speaker 1: better there or they know you best and you don't
21:25
Speaker 1: have to worry about that. Yes, anyway. Um. And then
21:31
Speaker 1: a part of that is growing up, and I think
21:32
Speaker 1: this is this big theme at the very beginning. She
21:36
Speaker 1: talks about that she said, which just nothing would change
21:38
Speaker 1: and everything would stay the same. She talks about losing
21:41
Speaker 1: her best friend because she's getting married. I've been there.
21:43
Speaker 1: I remember in college when I had best friends that
21:45
Speaker 1: they were getting married. It just felt like I lost somebody,
21:49
Speaker 1: which was a whole different conversation. I like. I would
21:51
Speaker 1: hope not. That's not that's not how this work. Somehow
21:54
Speaker 1: in my mind that meant I lost a person because
21:57
Speaker 1: he they are going with someone else. And worse, when
22:00
Speaker 1: we talk about marriage, it's a pretty big deal. M
22:03
Speaker 1: I think it was way much more of a big
22:04
Speaker 1: deal when we were for me, when I was more
22:07
Speaker 1: into my religious state, because this whole idea of ownership
22:10
Speaker 1: and becoming one was such a big part of marriage,
22:14
Speaker 1: which is probably why I don't like the idea of
22:16
Speaker 1: marriage today. Um. But because of that meant you have
22:20
Speaker 1: to let go of everything else and be in this marriage,
22:23
Speaker 1: which is what religion teaches you in so many ways.
22:26
Speaker 1: And so in that mindset, I'm like married, just losing somebody.
22:29
Speaker 1: If I'm not marrying that person, obviously then I'm losing
22:32
Speaker 1: that person because they are that whole unit and not
22:34
Speaker 1: that marriage shouldn't. You should be married to your best friend.
22:37
Speaker 1: You should want to know and like all of this.
22:39
Speaker 1: But it's such a weird dichotomy. For me, as someone
22:43
Speaker 1: who was always the best friend of the person getting married,
22:47
Speaker 1: it always felt like I lost somebody. Again, not true.
22:50
Speaker 1: There are definitely couples that I love and hang out
22:52
Speaker 1: with and I feel no change in our relationships and
22:55
Speaker 1: I love that. But there are those who really go
22:57
Speaker 1: into it in that mindset of like I have to
22:59
Speaker 1: lose everything else because my focus has to be my husband,
23:02
Speaker 1: my partner. I as soon to be children. You know,
23:05
Speaker 1: there's so many things and again this sounds so selfish
23:08
Speaker 1: in that small manner. That's okay, that's okay, that's your life.
23:12
Speaker 1: It's not a wrong or right in that it just
23:15
Speaker 1: as the other person, it feels really, really hurtful. I
23:18
Speaker 1: guess for me, maybe I just take this really personally
23:21
Speaker 1: because I as a the old person who was adopted.
23:24
Speaker 1: There's a lot of things about being left out and
23:27
Speaker 1: then being in the way as the conversation goes. There's
23:31
Speaker 1: a lot of rejection issues here. So that's in itself,
23:35
Speaker 1: but then it is the whole idea in this moment
23:37
Speaker 1: of like she's going to lose her best friend to him,
23:40
Speaker 1: who was nothing like what we had talked about. Yeah, yeah,
23:47
Speaker 1: and going back to like that whole you know, working paths.
23:50
Speaker 1: It's it's scary when you know like everybody's facing those
23:53
Speaker 1: things right, like not just you, and so your life
23:56
Speaker 1: might just diverge. And for Anne, who came in and
24:00
Speaker 1: was not about like finding romance, it was like I
24:02
Speaker 1: need to find my bosom friend, I need to find
24:04
Speaker 1: my bosom buddy. It was Diana, like it makes total
24:08
Speaker 1: sense to me that she would feel almost a sense
24:11
Speaker 1: of betrayal of like right or wrong, but like you
24:14
Speaker 1: would feel this sense of like, but you were so
24:16
Speaker 1: important to me. Why? Why? Why are you changing what
24:20
Speaker 1: we have for this guy? Yeah, proly Poly Fred. That's,
24:28
Speaker 1: by the way, the character who plays that was a
24:31
Speaker 1: part of the ensemble kids in the hall, which is
24:33
Speaker 1: a huge nineties comedy show. He was, as well as
24:37
Speaker 1: the dude who you see during the hospital bizarre who
24:40
Speaker 1: dances with her. I think his name is folly, David Foley.
24:43
Speaker 1: They were both a part of because, and I'm like,
24:44
Speaker 1: but this is Canadian acting. Of course, say a couple
24:48
Speaker 1: of the Canada has a lot of good actors. We
24:51
Speaker 1: know why, we get it, we um but I'm just
24:56
Speaker 1: saying like that was like interesting to me because it
24:58
Speaker 1: was during that time I was watching the and also
25:00
Speaker 1: on k new kids in the hall as well as
25:01
Speaker 1: like that. Dude's a completely different character here, obviously, but yeah,
25:07
Speaker 1: and then, on top of that, like growing up, you
25:09
Speaker 1: have these ideals of what it's like in the future
25:12
Speaker 1: and then when that comes crumbling down, even though the
25:15
Speaker 1: reality is yes, you're never it's never going to be
25:18
Speaker 1: that way. I think we all understand that. I had
25:20
Speaker 1: this dream when I was in high school. I'm gonna
25:22
Speaker 1: go to college and these are the things I'm gonna
25:23
Speaker 1: do and this is where I'm going to be a
25:24
Speaker 1: by this age and this age and this is who
25:26
Speaker 1: I'm gonna marry. And none of that happened. None, absolutely
25:30
Speaker 1: zero percent of what I thought growing up was going
25:32
Speaker 1: to happen did not happen. Yes, yes, and that goes
25:36
Speaker 1: back to the very long and kind of complicated conversation
25:40
Speaker 1: we had in one of our sex in the city.
25:41
Speaker 1: Watched three episodes. We were talking about the difference between
25:44
Speaker 1: like settling because you feel like you have to and
25:47
Speaker 1: settling because maybe that's ultimately what you want and how
25:50
Speaker 1: there should probably be a different term for that kind
25:53
Speaker 1: of settling. But I also think, like during this time
25:56
Speaker 1: I was struck by it's different now because we have,
26:00
Speaker 1: you know, we have a lot of modes of communication
26:03
Speaker 1: with each other, but if Ann's moving away, then the
26:06
Speaker 1: mode of communication is letter Um, and who knows how
26:10
Speaker 1: long that will take to get there, and just that
26:12
Speaker 1: puts a strain on things. And also, like marriage overall
26:17
Speaker 1: was different back then. We've made strides. I would argue
26:21
Speaker 1: we still have a lot of strides to make towards
26:24
Speaker 1: gender equality and marriage, but back then it was much different. So, yeah,
26:31
Speaker 1: I was it was hard not to think about that
26:34
Speaker 1: of like yeah, I mean, Dieta's life is going to
26:37
Speaker 1: change now and that's just sort of the nature of
26:40
Speaker 1: of things. And I've I've come to that too, because
26:43
Speaker 1: I hang onto people hard, I i. it's hard for
26:45
Speaker 1: me not to take things personally, and I know that's
26:47
Speaker 1: like a me thing, um, but it does kind of
26:50
Speaker 1: feel like, Oh, you found someone you'd rather hang out
26:52
Speaker 1: with more than me, Um, and and that it's just
26:57
Speaker 1: I hang on so hard. But it's natural, if you
27:00
Speaker 1: meant if you meet somebody and you get married and
27:02
Speaker 1: your life changes and you move into a different state
27:04
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean you can't still hang out, but
27:07
Speaker 1: it also doesn't mean that like, things won't change, right,
27:11
Speaker 1: which scar yeah, it is very scary. Um. Another thing
27:29
Speaker 1: that I really loved. Of course it's love. I love love,
27:33
Speaker 1: but like in the conversations that we see that's happening
27:35
Speaker 1: about again, who we fall in love with, who we
27:38
Speaker 1: want to fall in love with? We even see here
27:40
Speaker 1: marilla talk about it and then she sees the x
27:43
Speaker 1: and it's an awkward moment of like, do you want
27:46
Speaker 1: to come in for t and then I gotta go
27:49
Speaker 1: here for my boy, which the process for me is
27:52
Speaker 1: like think, goodness they didn't get together, because where would
27:55
Speaker 1: Anna be? Hello. But like the whole idea of love,
27:58
Speaker 1: reality versus, uh, the fantasy, and fact this and actually
28:02
Speaker 1: got her fantasy in this moment with Mr Harris Um
28:07
Speaker 1: and she got the trip and being swept away and
28:10
Speaker 1: buying all the acts that they wanted, having all the
28:12
Speaker 1: beautiful moments in Boston, like so many things that she
28:16
Speaker 1: could have done, and realizing it's, okay, I've got this,
28:21
Speaker 1: but I think I like this other that was better,
28:24
Speaker 1: which is just simple. And I don't even think it's
28:26
Speaker 1: that simple, because the dude was dying of scarlet fever,
28:28
Speaker 1: which is also part of the whole, like I'm going
28:30
Speaker 1: to bring you back from death with my care that
28:34
Speaker 1: she mentions in the first one with Diane. She does.
28:36
Speaker 1: It is but like that's that's the kind of the
28:40
Speaker 1: part of that is finding the reality versus the fantasy
28:43
Speaker 1: and then letting it unfold and you get to choose.
28:46
Speaker 1: She gets to choose, but technically she doesn't choose either,
28:49
Speaker 1: and that's also amazing for this time and age. Like
28:52
Speaker 1: this is a romance, but it's not a romance, right, right, yeah,
28:57
Speaker 1: I mean I think that's it's a really good point too.
29:00
Speaker 1: I bet a lot of us, myself very much included,
29:03
Speaker 1: I can relate to, as you said, kind of having
29:06
Speaker 1: that idea of what you think you want and this
29:09
Speaker 1: fantasy that usually you picked up through entertainment. So for
29:12
Speaker 1: Ann like she's reading all these fantasies and it's like
29:15
Speaker 1: forming these ideas of what she wants and then when
29:17
Speaker 1: you actually get in the situation and it checks off
29:21
Speaker 1: a bunch of the boxes and you're like, I'm not
29:23
Speaker 1: really into this. I thought I would be, but that
29:27
Speaker 1: that relates back to growing up as well and having
29:29
Speaker 1: those sort of learning life experiences. Um and people, hopefully
29:37
Speaker 1: most people, grow and change. And so for her, romance
29:43
Speaker 1: just wasn't a big thing for her for a long time.
29:45
Speaker 1: And so and and Gil had his own growing up
29:50
Speaker 1: to do and figuring things out, and sometimes the timing
29:54
Speaker 1: is just not right and you've got to wait until
29:57
Speaker 1: until it is, until you're both ready and in the
29:59
Speaker 1: healthy place. Well, for him, not healthy place, but then healthy.
30:05
Speaker 1: There you go. Yeah, there's so much in that and
30:09
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of a back and forth. Of course,
30:12
Speaker 1: we also enjoyed the fact that she got to have it,
30:14
Speaker 1: and not many people get to have these reality the
30:17
Speaker 1: fantasies come through or come true. So for her she
30:21
Speaker 1: actually got that and it's a glorious moment of our going.
30:24
Speaker 1: Never Mind, I don't want this. It is weird that
30:28
Speaker 1: he did bring another woman for as a date, who
30:31
Speaker 1: he's recording throughout the movie, and then like I want
30:34
Speaker 1: to marry you. I'm like wait, what in the whole
30:36
Speaker 1: like dance card thing? I was like, Oh, yeah, we
30:41
Speaker 1: love a good dance card. The other part is, do
30:44
Speaker 1: they know this dance? Have they figured out these dances,
30:46
Speaker 1: because you have to learn, like we've talked about bridgtain
30:49
Speaker 1: that ben learning these dances and how it took them
30:51
Speaker 1: days and days and days to get this routine. Like
30:53
Speaker 1: the same thing here. Hello. Yeah, I do love it,
30:57
Speaker 1: by the way, but yeah, I think it's interesting. We
31:00
Speaker 1: get to see that ray of love and then also
31:02
Speaker 1: again we get to see the different people coming through
31:04
Speaker 1: her life talking about love, to see Brooks coming in
31:08
Speaker 1: and Brooke coming in and talking about her lack of
31:10
Speaker 1: love in general, Um, and just giving up from jump,
31:14
Speaker 1: like being so disappointed with life, giving up on it,
31:17
Speaker 1: and then she finds a bow, oh to people interested,
31:20
Speaker 1: possibly as heavenly, but you know whatever. But yeah, bringing
31:25
Speaker 1: it in, as we talked about Brooke, another kindred spirit
31:29
Speaker 1: that took the entire movie to finally get through. All
31:33
Speaker 1: the kindred spirits that have been a part of the
31:36
Speaker 1: entirety of the series, which is one of the delights
31:39
Speaker 1: to me. is like connecting with people on a deeper level,
31:43
Speaker 1: but knowing that there's something about them that has it's
31:47
Speaker 1: gonna teach you and you're gonna teach them. Is a
31:49
Speaker 1: beautiful thing and that's kind of that whole wonderful process,
31:53
Speaker 1: as we see her talking to Miss Harris and Emma
31:55
Speaker 1: line and they would get to see her with Miss
31:57
Speaker 1: Stacy again and how they are think as the even
32:00
Speaker 1: though they've only had one year together technically, and then
32:03
Speaker 1: we get to see her breaking through a broke exterior
32:07
Speaker 1: of which is hard and cold and really, really angry
32:10
Speaker 1: for the misteps in her life and like being able
32:13
Speaker 1: to show her something different like that. Is that conversation
32:17
Speaker 1: and we'd love to see it. We'd love to see
32:19
Speaker 1: it coming back through and just pouring it out throughout
32:22
Speaker 1: the movie. It's just a good plotline. It's just great
32:26
Speaker 1: because how, yeah, this is the things that I want
32:29
Speaker 1: to see is the connections with the women throughout. Of course,
32:32
Speaker 1: some men sprinkled in there, but it's the women that
32:35
Speaker 1: she connects to and even though it could be hostile,
32:39
Speaker 1: she still breaks through. And then there is a layer
32:42
Speaker 1: of just people wanting to connect in general. Yeah, yeah,
32:46
Speaker 1: I had many times I was like, this is the
32:48
Speaker 1: compound Samantha and I've talked about, like, you get older,
32:54
Speaker 1: you move in with your best lady friends and yes, yes, yeah,
32:59
Speaker 1: I know I that to you. I love that you
33:01
Speaker 1: see you see all these different kinds of relationships between
33:04
Speaker 1: women too, because you've got and and Miss Stacy was
33:08
Speaker 1: like her mentor, and Miss Stacy, you know, being there
33:11
Speaker 1: for Anne and building her up and helping her find
33:13
Speaker 1: these opportunities. Then you've got an an em a line,
33:16
Speaker 1: so she's having the chance to be the mentor and
33:19
Speaker 1: build somebody up and give opportunities. Um, with Miss Brooke. Yeah,
33:24
Speaker 1: she's like who who says like I didn't want to
33:28
Speaker 1: be the school teacher, I didn't want to be this,
33:32
Speaker 1: like here I am and offering her like well, you know,
33:36
Speaker 1: I have this other option, I have this other path
33:38
Speaker 1: you can try, and having her take that and like
33:41
Speaker 1: just seeing, you know, the relationship between Ann and marilla
33:46
Speaker 1: getting stronger and and Rachel Lynn still being like kind
33:52
Speaker 1: of enemies but still friends. And then I love the
33:56
Speaker 1: scene with the cow where Diana follows her after the
34:00
Speaker 1: count well in her white dress in the mud like
34:03
Speaker 1: just like all right, I'm going to help, and still
34:06
Speaker 1: being kind of that steady friendship. So it's like not
34:10
Speaker 1: only do we have a bunch of these different relationships
34:12
Speaker 1: between women, we've got a like a bunch of different shades.
34:15
Speaker 1: That's pretty rare still to see. Yeah, it is, and
34:19
Speaker 1: I just I love it. I love that it continues
34:22
Speaker 1: to build up. People are still, yes, you know, we
34:24
Speaker 1: have still have that cattiness, but she never gives up
34:26
Speaker 1: hope on people, um building them up and what it
34:29
Speaker 1: looks like when you continue to persevere even still. Does
34:33
Speaker 1: it always it always that golden of course not, but
34:36
Speaker 1: it's still a beautiful story. I love the connections and
34:39
Speaker 1: I think that's what I really enjoyed about shows like this.
34:41
Speaker 1: This is also why I love sex in the city,
34:43
Speaker 1: even though there's so many other things to that, but
34:46
Speaker 1: the level of Camandrei again with the friends and the
34:49
Speaker 1: people and the women when they actually want to see
34:51
Speaker 1: each other succeed, and that's the beauty of the entire thing.
34:54
Speaker 1: Diane is doing what she wants to do, which is
34:56
Speaker 1: to be with her family and to grow a large
34:59
Speaker 1: family with within her town and loving that. Saying marilla
35:05
Speaker 1: thriving on the farm even though she thought she was
35:07
Speaker 1: gonna lose it. You know, stuff like that. Miss Stacy,
35:09
Speaker 1: even though with all her all her quote unquote hardships
35:11
Speaker 1: that she had in our previous show, she's she's getting
35:15
Speaker 1: up and getting the respect that she deserves in an
35:18
Speaker 1: industry that she hadn't pushed away from a certain towns.
35:21
Speaker 1: You know, like it's it's wonderful, we love it, we
35:24
Speaker 1: love to see it and yeah, this will remain one
35:27
Speaker 1: of my favorites and honestly, I would love to hear
35:29
Speaker 1: from anyone who again has been to Prince Edward Island
35:33
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35:34
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35:37
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35:40
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35:42
Speaker 1: what you did like, what you wish they had at
35:44
Speaker 1: it and what you liked was a different take. That
35:47
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35:50
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35:53
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35:56
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