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10-08-26 Hour 3 - Jeff Legwold/Surprised by Payton-Webb rumors?/Broncos @ Chargers is MUST WIN · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 4: Jeff Legwald of ESPN.com joins us.
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  Speaker 5: Leggy, hello. Morning, fellas.
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  Speaker 4: So let's start here. What do you know about Sean
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  Speaker 4: Payton taking play calling duties a little bit more seriously
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  Speaker 4: this week or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: What is it? He hasn't turned up the volume on
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  Speaker 2: his involvement from what it was in week one. Monday
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  Speaker 2: through Saturday. That hasn't changed. I don't, you know, he
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  Speaker 2: may be on the headset more during Sunday's game and say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I like these. Let's go to this section of the
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  Speaker 2: play chart. But to my information is there's been no
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  Speaker 2: change as far as who's calling the play into Bo
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  Speaker 2: Nix's ear and all of those things. So I think
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  Speaker 2: Davis Webb is going to call the majority of the game,
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  Speaker 2: but that hasn't changed from week one when he called
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  Speaker 2: the majority of the game. And Sean Payton got on
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  Speaker 2: there a few times and said, Hey, I like these
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  Speaker 2: runs right here. He might do that more. You know,
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  Speaker 2: now that said he is frustrated and I am certain
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  Speaker 2: he is considering all things at some point, but to my,
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  Speaker 2: my information is that there hasn't been some galactic shift
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  Speaker 2: and how they're going to do game day. Uh, but
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  Speaker 2: he may be more vocal, you know, on the headset
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  Speaker 2: from time to time, but you know, I don't, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and it all might be semantics by week 17 week.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when Mike Shanahan and Gary Kubiak were here,
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  Speaker 2: it was always difficult to tell at times who was
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  Speaker 2: actually calling the play, uh, you know, cause he would
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  Speaker 2: give Gary some series and all of those things. So
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  Speaker 2: some of this is semantics. Uh, some of it's real
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  Speaker 2: that he's frustrated with all of it. I mean, yesterday
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  Speaker 2: he said it's not championship football, but you know, I
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  Speaker 2: think that the play caller is still Davis web right now.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey, to my knowledge, the way it was explained to me,
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  Speaker 3: cause I asked about this and the way it was
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  Speaker 3: explained to me is this simple. Uh, expect Sean Payton
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  Speaker 3: to play a more active role in play-calling duties. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you're right. It's a nebulous definition. What does that mean exactly?
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  Speaker 3: Is he going to have the papers in his hand?
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  Speaker 3: I have no idea. But I think a lot will
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  Speaker 3: be revealed today, don't you, when Davis Webb is asked
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  Speaker 3: the question? How would you pose that question to Davis Webb?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I would say, are you still calling plays? Has
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  Speaker 2: anything changed from week one to now, is how I
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  Speaker 2: would phrase it. I don't think it has in his world.
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  Speaker 2: And there's enough gray area there where you could say
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  Speaker 2: nothing's changed when some things have maybe. But again, I
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  Speaker 2: think it's really hard for folks, including myself sometimes, to
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  Speaker 2: understand how much is going on on the headsets during
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  Speaker 2: a game. It's not like Davis Webb stands there during
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  Speaker 2: a game and makes the play call and no one
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  Speaker 2: says anything. No one else says anything, that it's a
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  Speaker 2: one-guy show. There's a lot going on on the headset
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  Speaker 2: before he clicks in to tell Bo what the play is. Suggestions.
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  Speaker 2: He might even ask sometimes, what do you like here?
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  Speaker 2: And those things. So, you know, the notion only in
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  Speaker 2: the most, you know, like when Sean Payton's calling plays,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's probably the most solo play caller ever.
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  Speaker 2: you know, of the modern era in terms of chatter
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  Speaker 2: on the headset, but often he would ask during a game,
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  Speaker 2: what do we like here? What do we got? What,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what's your favorite, you know, that type of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: you know, he's still the play caller, but maybe he
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  Speaker 2: didn't pick that play type of thing. You know, that
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  Speaker 2: stuff goes on all the time. So a lot of
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  Speaker 2: this is just, where are you going to draw the line?
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  Speaker 2: But he's been fairly quiet on the headset in the
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  Speaker 2: first four weeks. I think this, whole thing is about
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  Speaker 2: the idea that he's going to up the chatter. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think Davis Webb's been demoted or moved aside or anything,
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  Speaker 2: but Sean Payton's going to be talking more on the headset.
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  Speaker 2: I believe because he doesn't think they run the ball
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  Speaker 2: enough and he doesn't like how it looks on first down.
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  Speaker 2: And until he does, he's probably going to be more,
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  Speaker 2: you know, however you want to phrase it involved vocal,
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  Speaker 2: you know, whatever word you want to use, but, That
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  Speaker 2: is going to exist until it's better.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff, I read your article, and a question about the
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  Speaker 5: quote details. When Jared Bednar talks about we need to
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  Speaker 5: be better on details and that sort of thing, he's
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  Speaker 5: talking about players on the ice need more awareness about this,
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  Speaker 5: about gapping up in this situation, about where they're supposed
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  Speaker 5: to be. Just be more cognizant of those kinds of things.
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  Speaker 5: When Sean Payton is talking about details, is he talking
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  Speaker 5: about details regarding– the play calling or details regarding his players,
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  Speaker 5: the little things out there on the field that they
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  Speaker 5: need to recognize to make these plays go?
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  Speaker 2: All of the above, Moshe. He's talking about, you know,
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  Speaker 2: play calls he thinks aren't at good points in the game.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they've had a couple deep shots like in
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  Speaker 2: their first or second series of games. They haven't prepped
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  Speaker 2: a defense for that. you know, they haven't set it
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  Speaker 2: up and their first downs, they're terrible on first down.
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  Speaker 2: That's if you lose first down, I mean, the Broncos
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  Speaker 2: own defense the last two years from the start of
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  Speaker 2: the 24 season is like number one in almost every
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  Speaker 2: category over that span. And the reason for it is
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  Speaker 2: they dominate first down and the Broncos offense is on
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  Speaker 2: the other side of that coin. Now they just, you know,
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  Speaker 2: second and eight, you know, third and six, third and nine,
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  Speaker 2: third and seven. I don't care who's calling plays in
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  Speaker 2: the NFL. And you can pick whatever gold jacket coach
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  Speaker 2: you want. I don't care who's calling plays in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: You can't live in those down and distances consistently. It
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  Speaker 2: just won't work. And it doesn't matter if Davis is
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  Speaker 2: calling plays or Sean Payton in those situations. There isn't
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  Speaker 2: much on the cards. That's going to work. So he's
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  Speaker 2: talking about silly penalties. You know, they, they consistently have
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  Speaker 2: a few odd penalties. They have some, some missed assignments,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in the run game from time to time,
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  Speaker 2: the backs aren't the running backs. Haven't been really assertive.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, their, their metrics say they're blocking run plays better,
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  Speaker 2: far better than they're getting the yardage. So he's talking
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  Speaker 2: about all those things all in one. He's not absolving anyone.
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  Speaker 2: right now. You know, he's certainly not giving the coaches
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  Speaker 2: a pass, including himself.
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  Speaker 4: Jeff Lightwald with us, all conversations with Legge. You're brought
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  Speaker 4: to you by the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, IBEW
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  Speaker 4: Local 68. Start with a job, end with a career.
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  Speaker 4: I'd like to play some audio for you. I know
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  Speaker 4: you were there yesterday for the next presser, but you
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  Speaker 4: tell me what your thoughts were when you heard this.
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  Speaker 5: What does the play ask for?
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  Speaker 6: What situation in the game are we? Are we in
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  Speaker 6: the fourth quarter to where we're down by eight? It
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  Speaker 6: doesn't matter. I got to do this anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, then let's do it.
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  Speaker 6: But at the same time, We weren't in that situation
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  Speaker 6: majority of the game to where it's just all or nothing.
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  Speaker 6: Let's just be dumb. At the same time, I want
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  Speaker 6: to be aggressive. I want to be really when it's open,
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  Speaker 6: let's hit it. At the same time, I've been gotten
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  Speaker 6: too many times trying to do too much in this
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  Speaker 6: day and age in our offense. I don't have to
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  Speaker 6: be a hero on every play. I don't have to
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  Speaker 6: do too much. Get the ball to RJ and.
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  Speaker 5: He'll run for 20.
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  Speaker 6: That's just as good as sometimes throwing it 20 yards
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  Speaker 6: in the air. I'm actively looking at it, seeing where
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  Speaker 6: I can grow, but The labels and stuff, that's where
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  Speaker 6: you can sort of get.
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  Speaker 5: Caught up in it.
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  Speaker 6: And if you're not careful, turnovers may go through the roof,
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  Speaker 6: and that's just not what I need to be doing.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think he's being coached into playing this a
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  Speaker 4: lot more conservatively to not make mistakes? Because I know
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  Speaker 4: that Sean Payton is big on not doing negative plays, picks, fumbles, sacks,
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  Speaker 4: all that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think this is, you know, welcome to the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: This is what quarterbacks have to deal with. If you're
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  Speaker 2: going to succeed over the long haul, people have adjusted
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  Speaker 2: to both. After, you know, a couple of years now,
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  Speaker 2: they're not giving him the things he likes the best
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  Speaker 2: to see. And, you know, some of it is he's
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  Speaker 2: not getting helped. Like the best way to get somebody
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  Speaker 2: out at two deep is to just run the ball
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  Speaker 2: at him and keep doing it, you know, and to
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  Speaker 2: have six carries and a half or eight carries and
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  Speaker 2: a half. that's not running them out of too deep.
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  Speaker 2: You're not you're not doing anything. I mean, they do,
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  Speaker 2: they do play action and the linebackers barely move because
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  Speaker 2: they don't believe it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I've said like, it's like if you're guarding Shaq at
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  Speaker 4: the three point line and he pump fakes, you aren't
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  Speaker 4: biting on that.
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  Speaker 2: I just, no, I mean, you know, now granted, if
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  Speaker 2: things aren't going well for an offense, the quarterback's always
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  Speaker 2: going to retreat a little bit because he knows mistakes will,
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  Speaker 2: will hurt even more. So I think there's some of that.
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  Speaker 2: And I think we've seen in Bo's first couple seasons here, too,
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  Speaker 2: that when he is pressing a bit, it's tougher for
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  Speaker 2: him to play. And I think as a young player
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  Speaker 2: at any position, that's a hard thing to work through
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  Speaker 2: and part of the developmental curve. But as a quarterback,
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  Speaker 2: we just get to watch him do it sort of
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  Speaker 2: in real time you know, out front and the glare
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  Speaker 2: of the light, but yeah, they're, I mean, they're all
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  Speaker 2: their metrics say is, you know, they're a dump down offense.
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  Speaker 2: Now you don't need a, you don't need a NASA,
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  Speaker 2: you know, certificate to know that if RJ Harvey gets
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  Speaker 2: 10 targets, there's no way in hell. RJ Harvey was
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  Speaker 2: the primary receiver on 10 plays. He was likely the
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  Speaker 2: primary receiver on none of those plays or one, maybe.
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  Speaker 2: from looking at it, but that's, that's not how the
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  Speaker 2: progressions should end up. You know, when the running back
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  Speaker 2: ends up with 10 targets for 10 catches, that means
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  Speaker 2: the ball's coming down to the check down area pretty
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  Speaker 2: quickly and pretty often.
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  Speaker 3: Jeffrey, I have a five part question here.
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  Speaker 2: I have many answers for that.
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  Speaker 5: Okay. Five parts.
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  Speaker 3: How much does Nick Benito miss Jonathan Cooper on the
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  Speaker 3: other side? Why isn't Jonah Ellis shining like we thought
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  Speaker 3: he would? How long before this Jonathan Cooper thing is fixed?
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  Speaker 3: Is the defense playing differently without Cooper? And was that
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  Speaker 3: question too long?
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  Speaker 2: I'll answer the fifth part first. God, yes. But no,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's some of it. Some of it is
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  Speaker 2: teams are playing them differently. The ball is coming out.
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  Speaker 2: They're not getting a lot of good pass rush snaps
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  Speaker 2: like they have, and they have not done as well
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  Speaker 2: against the run on early downs, their run defense. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Kansas City game has skewed the numbers. Since Kansas City,
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  Speaker 2: they've been better, but they still have not dominated first
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  Speaker 2: down like they did last year and the year before,
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  Speaker 2: and that's when you really set loose the pass rush.
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  Speaker 2: And now with Sertan hurt, that even gets impacted more
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  Speaker 2: because a lot of their plan has been predicated on
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  Speaker 2: Sertan could cover anybody on planet earth. So here's what
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  Speaker 2: we can do with the other 10 guys to rush
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  Speaker 2: the quarterback. But, you know, and I would also say,
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  Speaker 2: if you did a power, ask anybody around, you know, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's do power rankings this year. for the NFL, they've,
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  Speaker 2: they've played four of the top six or seven teams
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  Speaker 2: in the league already.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: If you, if you did that, so they've played the
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  Speaker 2: best of the best Stafford Stafford's a tough out in
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  Speaker 2: the pass rush. Purdy is the toughest out in the
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  Speaker 2: pass rush right now. Lawrence is mobile and my homes
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  Speaker 2: is my homes and was coming off surgery and had
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  Speaker 2: no interest in, in holding the ball in that game.
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  Speaker 2: So I, I think if you get to the bye
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  Speaker 2: week and we're still kind of having these conversations, then
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe, okay, what is it in the personnel?
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  Speaker 2: I think Q Robinson's been a bit of a find
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  Speaker 2: and I would expect him to get more snaps in
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  Speaker 2: some of those rush situations because he's actually had a
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  Speaker 2: very good pressure quotient. And again, a lot of it is,
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  Speaker 2: do you buy the new math? But Benito is one
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  Speaker 2: of the league's best pressure players in the pass rush,
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  Speaker 2: if you like advanced metrics. He's still among the league leaders,
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  Speaker 2: even though the sacks haven't come. So I think it's
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  Speaker 2: a combination of all that. And the Cooper thing is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, unless there's a settlement, he's going to trial.
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  Speaker 2: So this could be mid-November. Oh, yeah, easily.
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  Speaker 5: And then suspension after that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was just going to say that, that now
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  Speaker 2: on the exempt list, that these weeks count potentially against
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  Speaker 2: any suspension.
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  Speaker 7: So this is time served?
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  Speaker 2: Well, that's the way it's been ruled in the past,
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  Speaker 2: and it's kind of how it's written in the rule book.
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  Speaker 2: But I never say, you know, it's 100% because the
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  Speaker 2: commissioner's exempt list is really kind of up to the
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  Speaker 2: commissioner on how that goes.
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  Speaker 5: Jeff, the Chargers stink.
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  Speaker 2: They're not having a good year.
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  Speaker 5: There's no way they lose to the Chargers.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way.
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  Speaker 5: No, you're full of it. No, no. There's no way.
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  Speaker 2: Well, if the Chargers have four rookie offensive linemen, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think that's a good day for Justin Herbert. And
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  Speaker 2: Justin Herbert is the only quarterback in the league right
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  Speaker 2: now that's been hit 50 times this year. Wrap your
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  Speaker 2: head around that. He's bringing it right now. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: if you want to write a book, you know, that
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  Speaker 2: the guide to ruining a quarterback, they've got it going
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  Speaker 2: on right now because that's a talented player who's getting pummeled.
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  Speaker 2: And it's been my experience covering this league. That doesn't
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  Speaker 2: go well. That affects decision-making, mechanics, mental health, all of it,
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  Speaker 2: because we undervalue players. what a hit on a quarterback
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  Speaker 2: feels like to the quarterback. It's, it's basically a car wreck.
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  Speaker 5: So they're going to be three and two. No, they're,
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  Speaker 5: they're going to be three and two. I'm convinced of it.
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  Speaker 5: No problem.
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  Speaker 2: So there you go.
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  Speaker 4: Like you, one last thing for you real quick. A
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  Speaker 4: texter asked this question. I'm curious in the answer last
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  Speaker 4: weekend in college football, we watched Jim Mora fire somebody
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  Speaker 4: at half and he just walked off to the field
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  Speaker 4: to not be seen again. Do you know of a
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  Speaker 4: situation where somebody was relieved of their duties at halftime
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  Speaker 4: and just left?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that I've ever heard it just left
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  Speaker 2: or any team I've been around. I know guys have
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  Speaker 2: been told at halftime, get ready to pack your crap
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  Speaker 2: in your office tomorrow.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I know coaches have been mad at guys. And when
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  Speaker 2: I first started covering the league, when Chuck Knoll was
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  Speaker 2: coaching the Steelers, I was covering the Steelers in the 91.
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  Speaker 2: He cut two guys on the plane one time coming
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  Speaker 2: back from a road trip. Wow. they essentially rode the
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  Speaker 2: plane back knowing they were cut when they hit the ground,
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  Speaker 2: but there you go.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I never heard of that. That was, that was, uh,
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  Speaker 2: that was interesting. Yeah. Like, I guess, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 2: why stay if, if they've told you you're done, I'd
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  Speaker 2: probably just leave my laptop and say, that's it. You know,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a good run. I appreciate everybody. Where's the
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  Speaker 2: iced tea.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: Jeff Laywell joins us every week. Appreciate it.
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  Speaker 5: Like you. Thank you, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, I got to give my son and the guys
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  Speaker 2: at Aztec, they listen to you guys every morning. So
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  Speaker 2: this is my little promise shout out to my guy.
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  Speaker 7: Shout out.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out.
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  Speaker 5: Little egg wall.
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  Speaker 3: What's Aztec?
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: It's like an engineering firm.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, you got a smart kid.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, of course. Yeah, both of my kids have
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  Speaker 2: vastly overcome their DNA, so that's really cool.
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  Speaker 3: Nice.
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  Speaker 7: That's awesome. Well, shout-out to the Aztec boys.
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  Speaker 5: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, shout-out to Ryan and the fellas. So there you go.
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  Speaker 5: Right on, Ryan and the fellas. Lake, you're the best.
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  Speaker 7: We'll talk to you next week.
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  Speaker 2: See you, guys.
• 18:02
  Speaker 7: You're Jeff Lake.
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: A beautiful baby boy. Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: If you're going to acknowledge your boy, you better say
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: beautiful baby boy.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: Beautiful baby boy.
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: All right, so.
• 18:14
  Speaker 7: I– Look, we can break more of this down. There
• 18:17
  Speaker 7: are reports.
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, Nellie just sent us something from Pro Football
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Talk that they've said in no uncertain terms, Vic, that
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton is calling the plays.
• 18:27
  Speaker 7: And here's my question. We'll get to this when we
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: come back.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: Does it matter? They're getting that from the same source
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: as we are.
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: Well, they said they've confirmed it themselves after seeing the
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: same thing.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: So I don't know. We'll see.
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: Does it matter, though?
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, all credit. The credit goes to Stoke, who had
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: this first.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Sure.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: I just went back and double-checked and asked some people,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: and bottom line is, nobody's surprised by this. And just
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: because you're more involved in straight calling, I'm not.
• 18:55
  Speaker 7: I'm surprised.
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised one bit. I am.
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: Okay, we'll get to that in just a second. Stick around.
• 19:00
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• 19:03
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• 19:26
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• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Like Lauren Gardner or Gardner? Like a guy or a
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: gal who goes and works in the garden.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Do you know who Chauncey Gardner is?
• 19:41
  Speaker 5: No. Should I?
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: G-A-R-D-N-E-R. There you go.
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: That's Lauren Gardner.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know what these keywords are, by the way.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: We've had Simmons, Thomas, and Gardner.
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: I don't get it.
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know what that is.
• 20:01
  Speaker 7: But there's your keywords.
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: Anywho.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Vic, you said nobody's surprised by this. Entirely disagree. I'm
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: very surprised.
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: Very.
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: And can I explain why?
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that this is like cheap of Sean
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Payton or anything like that, but I will say this.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: Let's say you're on a tandem bike, okay? Because that's
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: what Davis Webb and Sean Payton have been doing for
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: this offense. They're on a tandem bike. And Vic, you're
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: going up lookout, okay? One of your favorite things to do.
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: Take your bike up lookout. And you just decide for
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: the first four weeks, I'm not really going to pedal uphill.
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: But at the end of that four weeks, or I
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: guess I should say six weeks, you get to the top.
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: Of the mountain.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: And then when it's time to go downhill, the easier part,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: you say, all right, now I'll pedal. It kind of
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: feels like that's what Sean Payton's doing.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: Listen, though.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: Listen.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: I'm listening.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: You have the first four weeks against some of the
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: best defenses in the league. And the offense, to be fair,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: doesn't look that much different than it did last year.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: I just don't get it.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I don't understand what just happened in which he thinks
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: him taking.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: Over now is the right time.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: Because to me, it's like, why make the decision in
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: the first place then?
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: You know it's going to be tough.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Can I tell you why I'm not surprised one bit?
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Sure.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: Sometimes it's not the message. It's the messenger. Sometimes the
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: message doesn't get to the person because the way it's given.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: I just watched during that last time out another string
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of plays. This time Dan Orlovsky did it. Everybody's doing it.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: That Bowe just refused to go to the first target.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And the progression was just completely butchered. And he's holding, holding,
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: holding the ball. I think this is a move that
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Sean Payton is going to make. And again, as we reported,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: he is going to have a more active role in
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: play calling. I don't think the word play calling or
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: the words play calling are the appropriate words here. The
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: word should be, he's going to play a more active role.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: In the messaging. This is very nebulous. This is very,
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: very nebulous. Let me give you an example.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: Hey, here's the play. Clean pocket. Cortland is going to
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: be open over the middle. I repeat, he's going to
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: be open over the middle.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Well, why can't Davis do that? Just tell him to
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: How you deliver a message is how you deliver. We
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: all deliver our messages differently, do we not? We all
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: have the same ideas. We deliver messages differently. How you
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: deliver the message matters. I'm telling you it matters.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: I want to put this together. Davis Webb, he's a
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: young up-and-comer, going to get head coaching interviews and so
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: on and so forth. If you want to keep Davis
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: Webb around because you think that he's a valuable, young,
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: offensive mind, you've got to do something to placate him.
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: And what's that going to be? You're going to give
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: him the play callings. Well, Sean Payton may have decided
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: to do that. Not prodded, but maybe, you know what,
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: I think this is the proper right move for my
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: football team, even though it's going to drive me insane.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: So you play Kate Webb, you let him call the plays,
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: you keep him from going someplace else. Four weeks in
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: against very tough opponents, you're kind of gritting your teeth
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: a little bit, maybe some suggestions here and now we
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: get to week five and what are we doing? Is
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: it real play calling, Brett? Is it hard suggestions? Is
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: it co, I mean, You can't have two guys, quote,
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: calling plays. Somebody's got to be the focus for Bo Nix.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: And like you said, it doesn't look any different than
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: it did before, so what the hell's going to change?
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Is it the play calling, or is it the people
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: implementing the play calls and performing the play calls? The
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: hell are we looking at? Because the offense looks the
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: same as it has the past two years.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we're making a lot of excuses here.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: A lot of this, I'll be honest.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Is on Bo.
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: Well, that's what I'm saying. This is my entire point, Vic.
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I don't know.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Just the decision to take this away from Davis Webb.
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: And again, I'm being I'm very sympathetic towards this situation.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: We're making it sound like he needs a personal nanny
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: out there.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: And I'm like.
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: Davis Webb got head coaching interviews in offensive coordinator interviews
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: last year and probably would have taken one of those gigs,
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: gotten a gig, had he not stayed and taken over
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: as the play caller of this team. Through less than
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: a quarter of the season... Where things don't look all
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: that different, you're 2-2. You've won two games by having
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: late-game comebacks. That sounds like 12 other games that you
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: won last year. And to put this onus, and this
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: is why I'm sympathetic towards him, on him as opposed to, well, what?
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: Couldn't this look different if Bo just hit the open
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: guys that we pointed out yesterday in the 49ers game?
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: If he hits two or three of those.
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Passes, 20 to 25 yards downfield, I don't think we're
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: looking at Davis Webb saying, hey, what's the issue here?
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: Hit the open guy.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Like we've detailed his offense has put together open receivers downfield.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: If they can't figure it out between the two of them,
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: then the answer is, The quarterback's not the right guy.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: And that's the thing, though, Moj, is this almost a
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: defense mechanism of Bo Nix by saying it's not totally
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: his fault.
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: I mean, I need to take this back over because
• 25:30
  Speaker 7: this isn't good enough.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Well, Brett, you and I sat in that studio earlier
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: this week and we watched highlights from the Buffalo game,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: did we not? Yeah. Where the hell is that guy?
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: I don't know. No, I'm dead serious. I don't know.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: Where the hell... Where the hell is the guy that
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: beat the Buffalo Bills in the divisional playoff game? Vic,
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: where is he?
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: Moshe, when I played member guest with you a couple
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: years ago at your place and that guy hit the
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: ball 300 yards down the middle and played with confidence,
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: where's that guy? Where is that guy? Because the last
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: time I played with you, it wasn't the case.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I wish I knew where that guy was.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: So confidence happens.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: Where is that guy? Listen, I wish I knew where
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: that guy went. That guy's poof. That guy's in La
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: La Land. But I'm also not 25, 26 years old.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I don't care. You can't babysit these positions. That's too
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: important a position. You can't have a nanny. You can't
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: do it. At some point, you have to be the
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: guy to rescue yourself. Sam Darnold rescued himself, okay? He
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: got some help when he went to San Francisco, but
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: he's got to be the one to do it. He's
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: got to be the one. It can't be, well, I
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: want to play it safe because if you can't see
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the 25-yard in route, I'm sorry.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Sorry.
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: Two texts I want to get to here. One is
• 26:53
  Speaker 4: somebody says, damn, Brett has a serious man crush. I'm
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: assuming they mean on Davis Webb.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: I don't. I don't know if Davis Webb's any good
• 26:59
  Speaker 7: at this or not.
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: And I told you guys in the off season, everybody
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: makes this assumption that Davis Webb takes.
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: Over play calling. I'm like, yes, it'll be so much better.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: I'm like, do you know the resume of the guy
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: that the resume that he's taking over for that guy's
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: got a pretty damn good resume at this.
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: And it doesn't mean the best in the last 25
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: years in the league.
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: And it doesn't mean that it's going to be better.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: In fact, there's a lot of reasons to believe it
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: might be worse.
• 27:20
  Speaker 5: Now.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: I don't think it's either.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: I don't think it's better. Certainly.
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: And I don't think it's really worse.
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: Um, I don't understand, Brett.
• 27:29
  Speaker 7: Hang on, Moshe. Because I don't have a man crush
• 27:32
  Speaker 7: on Davis Webb.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: I just don't see the point in making the change
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: if you were going to pull the hook on him
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: this early.
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: This is what I'm getting at. Why even make the
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: change just to placate Davis Webb so he doesn't go
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: someplace else? That's what it feels like. I cannot believe
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: for the life of me, for a guy you're paying
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: $ 18 million a year to, that you would mandate that
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: he turn over his play-calling duties, which he's very, very
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: good at, to another guy just to placate that guy
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: to keep him around. And it sounds like a Sean
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: Payton decision. But then if that's the case, you've got
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: to ride or die with that guy at least for
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: a while, do you not? The whole thing to me
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: doesn't make any sense because if I'm Sean Payton and
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: Davis Webb's getting– you know what? Good luck to you.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: My ass is on the line with his football team.
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: My ass is on the line with his quarterback. I
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: handpicked him. I've groomed him. I've developed him the best
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I possibly can. I've been doing all these baby steps
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: all along the way to make him as good as
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: he can possibly be, and I'm going to turn it
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: over to you on game day? That doesn't make any
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: sense to me. So why did he do it? If
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: it was me, and then I really, truly wanted to win,
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: and I know my own track record, I'm saying, Davis–
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: I love you, man. And I think you're going to
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: be an awesome head coach if you get a job.
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: More power to you. But if we sit here in
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: week five and he truly is taking the play calling
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: duties away and going to call the plays himself, or
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: is it going to be a hybrid? I don't know, Vic,
• 29:04
  Speaker 5: because I have conflicting reports coming at me from you
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: and from other people. It just doesn't make any sense.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: It really doesn't.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: And then, Vic, I want to toss this one to
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: you because the texture says you got played. Davis Webb's
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: going to say nothing's changed today.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: I know, Vic.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: I know when he says something like this, you do
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: not do that without a supreme authority on the subject.
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: Makes me laugh.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: You think I'm just going to throw that out there
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: for the hell of it?
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: You don't do that.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: Vic Lombardi does not throw crap to the wind. I
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: can promise you that. I know we give each other
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: guff on this show. but I can promise you I've
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: known Vic for almost 30 years. He doesn't just throw
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: that kind of crap out there to stir the pot.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: This show is so far from that, for God's sake.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Trust me when I tell you where there's smoke, there
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: is fire in this regard. And something is changing. How
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: significant or how much, who knows? But I guess we'll
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: find out on Sunday.
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: Before we get out of here for this segment, Moj,
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: let's do this.
• 30:05
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• 30:22
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• 30:25
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• 30:29
  Speaker 5: Listen, the Flames are not a very good hockey club.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: They don't have a ton of talent top to bottom
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: in that lineup. But they got some guys. They got
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: some guys. And they're probably going to be a very,
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: very desperate team. You realize last year the Avalanche were
• 30:42
  Speaker 5: 32-10-5 on the road?
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: I mean, they won 32 games on the road last year, dude, overall,
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: including the postseason. That's pretty damn impressive. You've got a
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: much better team. Scott Wedgwood is going to get his
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: first start. Protect him a little bit, but I'm sure
• 30:58
  Speaker 5: he's going to be fired up. You're a huge heavy favorite.
• 31:01
  Speaker 5: The Flames can't score. If you get to three, you're
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: going to win this hockey game. Come on out after
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: a good night's rest and absolutely explode on them from
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: the get-go and put this thing away. This is a
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: game you should win all day, all night. And if
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: you come home without any points in this contest, Brett,
• 31:18
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• 31:21
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• 31:34
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• 31:38
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• 31:42
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• 31:51
  Speaker 3: How tired are you right now?
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Right now.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: At this very moment. Like, could you sleep right now
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: standing up like that with your headset on?
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Could you fall asleep? Who, me? Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Because,
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: you know, you come from Winnipeg and you're all pumped up,
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: you know, and I'm here. It's 1 a.m. I get
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: my stuff hooked up and hooked up. This has been
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: a remarkably good trip. Knock on my wood with my
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: equipment here. I've got the old equipment, my good equipment's
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: back for repair. Not my doing. Hmm. despite what Cole says.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of excess knowledge there.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: And I just, this building, this is the second-to-last game
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: that the Avs will play in the Saddle Dome, which
• 32:36
  Speaker 5: is a very unique building. But, again, the gondola hangs
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: from the ceiling, and it shifts and shakes, and then
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: you have to... The camera sticks... The camera sticks halfway
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: out into the walkway.
• 32:48
  Speaker 7: Don't care.
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Don't care.
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: Don't care.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: Don't care.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: Don't care.
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: Don't care.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: Don't care. Don't care.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: So it's much better to play if you're going to
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: choose which team to play on the second game.
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: Of the back-to-back.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: It is obviously Calgary. Yeah, the team that's 1,000%.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: That's been outscored 16-3.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, they're in a tough way. That's not to
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: say they're not going to be desperate tonight or Dustin
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Wolf can't have one of these games. You've got to.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: You've got to go at these guys. Listen, McKinnon was
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: flying last night. I expect nothing different here tonight. And,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: you know, Wedgie gets his first start. McKenzie Blackwood could
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: do nothing last night. It wasn't on him at all.
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: It's just what a bummer, man. I mean, what a
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: total bummer. They're top line. They're so top heavy. They
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: did everything. Let's fix that tonight.
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Let me say something as we head into, you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: what are we, four hours away from this press conference
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: at Davis web's going to have, I think more likely
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: than not. In fact, I would say it's very likely
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: that Davis web is going to step up to that
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: podium and pretend nothing's happening. I think he's probably going to,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: I think he's going to downplay this, but the only
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: way he couldn't, here's the deal. He can do that.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: If Sean Payton is taking the, I'm going to be
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: more involved approach. The only way he can't say nothing's
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: changing is is if we see Sean Payton on game
• 34:11
  Speaker 4: day doing this.
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: This is an easy tell, yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: If he's doing this.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if this is game day, that's an easy tell.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: By the way, for those listening, we're holding papers in
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: front of our face like we're calling a play on
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: the sideline.
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: Hold on, I got a menu here. Hang on, I
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: got my menu.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: If Sean Payton's looking at the play sheet, maybe he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: got one in his hand, and he's just looking at
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: it down low, Then you can claim nothing's changed. If
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton tucks that thing over the bridge of his nose,
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: then that's a big deal. And that to me, I
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: don't know how you'd feel if you're Davis Webb about that.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: You'd probably be incredibly disappointed.
• 34:51
  Speaker 7: But I don't know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: It's a very odd situation and not one that I
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: was totally prepared for. heading into week five, and you're
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: going up against the Chargers team. I want to read
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: something to you guys for a second.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: We have, what, 10 minutes? I might need all 10.
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: You guys ready?
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: You want to read to us?
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Joe Alt, neck, did not practice. Coyote Awashika, fibula, did
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: not practice. Cam Hart, knee, limited. Alec Ingold, shoulder, limited.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Dante Jackson, hamstring, did not practice. Derwin James, hamstring, did
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: not practice. Quentin Johnson, chest, limited. Charlie Kolar, forearm limited.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: Trey Lance, groin limited. Deanne Leonard. Hold on, Vic's got
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: his drill. Hold on, Vic's going to repair some dudes.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Khalil Mack, rest, did not practice. Scott Matlock, foot, limited.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: Ladd McConkie, foot, did not practice. Trevor Penning, concussion, did
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: not practice. Branson Taylor, neck, limited. Brennan Thompson, quadricep, limited.
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: Dalvin Tomlinson, hamstring, limited. Rashawn Slater, ankle, did not practice.
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: That's their injury report heading into this game. That took
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: me At least a full minute to get through just
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: the names of people that were limited or did not
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: practice at all for the Chargers. By the way, four
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: of those names are offensive linemen.
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They could have four rookies playing. Hey, Vic, do
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: the Chargers have their practice facility by a substation, too?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sure they have a practice facility.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: Is it by a substation? Yeah.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: The Chargers always are banged up. That's just, you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: the Chargers and the Niners are always banged up. You
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: can count on that. It's just what they are. It's
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: who they are.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: It's just they're always, always, always banged up. Now, I've
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: been looking at the Broncos too, Brett. I mean, again,
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: I didn't realize that Troutman had a shoulder. Did you
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: realize that?
• 36:47
  Speaker 7: Is Troutman playing? I mean, when he's healthy.
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't. For a lot of money, I don't know. Listen, Sertan.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's a lot of players. Have you
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: heard Jonah Ellis' name?
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: No. No?
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: Remember Jonah Ellis a year ago, how many times you
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: heard his name? And he was a backup.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: I know. Yeah, listen, Sertan is doubtful. That means he's
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: not going to play and probably not going on injured reserve,
• 37:15
  Speaker 5: but who knows. Pat Bryant, his ankle, man, those things last.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: That stinks. Riley Moss has his ribs. He's questionable, but
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: I'll be surprised if he plays. Troutman has got whatever
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: he's got going on, and I don't even notice him
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: on a weekly basis anyway. Tillman's been banged up for
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: quite a while. We know that Coleman's out. I mean,
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: he's walking wounded all over the place, but the Chargers
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: just seem to have more than their fair share. Good.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Take advantage of it. Stick it to him. And hit Herbert, dude.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: That guy, it was interesting what Legge said. He said
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: that quarterbacks now against the Broncos, because of that pass rush,
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: and they led the league last year, They are getting
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: rid of the football early. They are designing their game
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: plan around quick hitters so that that ball is not
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: stuck in the hands of the quarterback. I would assume
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: if I'm Harbaugh and McDaniel, I want that ball out
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: of Herbert's hands quickly or I want it in Mario
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: Hampton's hands immediately to not let Herbert just get destroyed
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: because he has been, but his head is also gone.
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: Which version of Mario do you like best? Mario, oh Mario,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: or come Mario?
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Camario.
• 38:24
  Speaker 7: Well, his name's Omarion. Huh? His name's Omarion.
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: He called him Amario.
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: It's Omarion Hampton.
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: It's me, Mario.
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: What I want to do is I want to rename
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: your brother Camario.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: Camario's better.
• 38:40
  Speaker 5: No, I take that back. Dil Mario.
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: By the way.
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: From now on when we go off, he's Dil Mario Lombardi.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: I can't tell you how pissed I was on Saturday.
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I'm geared up for this Bama-Mississippi State game, and he
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: fumbles in, like, the second snap, then throws a pick
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: the next possession, a pick six.
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: I'm like, come on, man.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Dude, Bama-Georgia this weekend.
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: I got a question.
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: There's two acceptable answers. Pat Sertan will not be on
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: the field this week. That's virtually a guarantee.
• 39:09
  Speaker 5: He's not playing.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: He ain't playing.
• 39:11
  Speaker 7: Who's the best player on the field for the Broncos?
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: Zach Allen.
• 39:18
  Speaker 7: Zach Allen, there's only one other answer that's acceptable.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Zach Allen is number one on that list.
• 39:24
  Speaker 7: Not just on defense.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: It's Quinn Miners. Oh, yeah.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: It's Miners or it's Zach Allen.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: And I don't know which order I would put that in,
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: to be honest with you, but I was looking through
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: some of the numbers defensively. Like, guys, you have an
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: all-pro edge rusher in Nick Benito who's got one sack
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: this year. This vaunted defensive line that has been murderous
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: in the sack category the last two years, not really
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: showing up this season. But Zach Allen is the only
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: one of anybody on defense with multiple sacks. He has
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: three from the interior. That's how much of a monster
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: he's been.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: He is a monster.
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: And then I don't know if you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: Guys saw, Tyler Plumbis just sent something out on Twitter.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: He did a breakdown of the film of Quinn Miners
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: last week. He's a monster, dude. You have, I'm just
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: going to say, I think you got the best guard
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: in the league. That guy is crazy good.
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: Brett, where did he come from?
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: Wisconsin Whitewater or something like that, right?
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: Whitewater Rafting. He came from a Wisconsin Whitewater Rafting Corporation.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: He was on a Whitewater Rafting trip in Wisconsin.
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: It wasn't a college. I mean, isn't that crazy? He
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: went to Wisconsin Whitewater. And this guy, yeah, he could
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: be the best guard in the entire NFL. It's just
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: amazing how that works, man. Late bloomers. I love it.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: But you guys still haven't. Alabama Georges this weekend.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah. And I got no reaction from you people. Well, dude,
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: have you seen the weather report? It's going to be
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: a friggin' mess. It's going to be a mess.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Can I tell you something about that?
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: It's going to be a great game. It's going to
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: be a great game, and I'm going to watch. It's
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: getting to feel a little bit like Yankees Red Sox
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: to me.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, with rain, rain. Like, I get it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: It's two great teams are playing against each other. There's
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: no penalty for the loser, right?
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like there's a lot of stakes on
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: the line in this game.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: I know there are.
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: It's almost like they get a mulligan no matter what.
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: Happens in this game. And I'm just kind of bummed
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: out by it. It's like, it's going to be a
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: great game. I'm going to watch it. But it doesn't have,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: like if Mississippi State won against Bama last weekend, that
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: had some juice to it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: Let's do drills that say it won't rain. I got
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: to tell you something. We're staying overnight after the game tonight. Oh, really?
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: So are you going to be on the show tomorrow
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: or no?
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Just for a little bit because we're leaving early to
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: go back to Denver. Oh, because I'm.
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: Going to be in studio. I wanted to see.
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: You. You did not want to see me, liar. That
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: being said, so we're going to have to lay it down.
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: If we are going to lay it down, and I'm
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: not sure I want to lay it down, Well, did
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: he win the opportunity to.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Lay it down?
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 42:07
  Speaker 7: We'll find out tomorrow. That's how it works. We'll find
• 42:09
  Speaker 7: out tomorrow.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: Well, let me give you a little hint. I'm not
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: sure I want to lay it down.
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Oh, so he's not going to be laying it down?
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: No, we're going to do it. You don't want to
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: miss this tomorrow. We're going to do it tomorrow.
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, we're going to do it.
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: You don't want to miss it either. How long are
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: you going to be on? How long?
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: The clown music.
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Probably an hour.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right.
• 42:28
  Speaker 7: We'll do it in the first hour.
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: There's nothing better than Mosier talking over clown music.
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: It's fitting.
• 42:34
  Speaker 6: So.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Anyway. Camario hurt my feelings really bad.
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: Well, you made a pick based on emotion. You can't
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: do that in the gambling game.
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: I know. It was not good.
• 42:50
  Speaker 7: Anyway, let's get a fact checker, please.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Nelly monitors the mistakes in today's Fact Checker.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Fact Checker.
• 42:59
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• 43:04
  Speaker 8: Earlier today, Vic asked Jeff Legwald a five-part question, and
• 43:10
  Speaker 8: it was still infinitely shorter than the average one-part Mark
• 43:14
  Speaker 8: Mosher question. So I pulled a couple examples here. Let's
• 43:16
  Speaker 8: listen to Vic's question.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: How much does Nick Benito miss Jonathan Cooper on the
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: other side? Why isn't Jonah Ellis shining like we thought
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: he would? How long before this Jonathan Cooper thing is fixed?
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: Is the defense playing differently without Cooper? And was that
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: question too long?
• 43:37
  Speaker 8: That took 19 seconds.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Reasonable.
• 43:40
  Speaker 8: Now, here's an actual question that Mark Mosier asked to
• 43:45
  Speaker 8: Brian Roth, the voice of the CSU Rams, when we
• 43:47
  Speaker 8: had him on a couple weeks ago.
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: Okay, last thing for you. I appreciate your time, B.
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: I've always had delusions of grandeur for the Rams. And, man,
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: if they were playing like they did when Sonny.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Was the head coach.
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: They probably would have got an invite to the Big
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: 12 at some point. You know what I mean? Just
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: because they were a nationally recognized program, a top 25 team,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: and Sonny had it cooking. But nobody had any foresight
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: to look 10, 15, even 20 years down the road.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know if you could have predicted this. But
• 44:21
  Speaker 5: the foresight wasn't there. So what is the ultimate goal?
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: Is it just to be above, like, the teams that
• 44:26
  Speaker 5: were left behind in the Mountain West?
• 44:28
  Speaker 8: We're now twice as long as Vic's five questions.
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: State Pac-12 and try to win there? Or is the
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: ultimate goal, you think, is there any lofty expectation that, man,
• 44:36
  Speaker 5: if we can turn this thing around and kick some
• 44:39
  Speaker 5: major butt, then maybe we will get an invite to
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: the Big 12 someday. Because that would be ideal.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: You're going to have to wrap up this question at
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: some point.
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: That would be ideal.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: That was a super long question, man. That was a
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: super long question.
• 44:49
  Speaker 5: Well, I... That was a minute. That was a minute.
• 44:53
  Speaker 8: And he still hasn't asked a question yet.
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: Oh, God.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: So much.
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I asked a five-parter in a fourth the amount of
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: time it asked you to ramble on.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: Oh, wait.
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: I didn't even notice this today. Your little mannequin lady
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: that's in the corner.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: That's where I hang my dresses. Why that's here, I
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: have no idea. I don't know.
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: Avs tonight, 7 o'clock, right here on 92.5.
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: I can do this. I can do a five-parter quickly.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: Are you a jack wagon? Is your face stupid? Are
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: you the dumbest guy on the planet? How dumb is
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: your beard? Are you going to shave that crap off? Look,
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: look at this. Hey, guys, look. Oh, nice. It's already gone.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Nice.
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: Are you happy now?
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: Get bent.
• 45:40
  Speaker 7: The tarantula's gone.
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: Get bent. We love you, Moshe. Yep.
• 45:45
  Speaker 7: Talk to you guys tomorrow.
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: I don't even know why I show up. Why do
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: I do this? I'm out. No lay it down. You're denied.
• 45:51
  Speaker 5: You're denied.
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Have a great day.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: Love to see you.