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Colin Cowherd Podcast - INSTANT REACTION: Seahawks Dominate Patriots To Win The Super Bowl, Sam Darnold’s Incredible Career Arc · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: The volume.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker is the Louisiana Hot Sauce Player of the
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  Speaker 2: Week one hundred and thirty five rushing yards Seattle twenty
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  Speaker 2: nine to thirteen. Walker the first running back to be
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  Speaker 2: named MVP since Terrell Davis in nineteen ninety eight. How
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  Speaker 2: great is that? The original Louisiana Hot sauce, the perfect
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  Speaker 2: balance of peppers and vinegars and salt. Put it on
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  Speaker 2: wings and tacos and burgers. Hit any tailgate food, the
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  Speaker 2: original Louisiana Hot Sauce. That's Louisiana Hot bayou some.
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  Speaker 1: All right, this is an emotional one for me, John,
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  Speaker 1: This is an emotional one.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sitting there with my guys all night. We were
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: just cracking jokes about am I gonna lose it? Am
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: I going to start crying? Team Sam Donald Donald didn't
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  Speaker 2: make any mistakes. Walker ate up the clock and got
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  Speaker 2: the yards. Myers with a field goals in the scoring.
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  Speaker 2: I thought New England could move the ball a little
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  Speaker 2: bit through the air. I didn't know if they'd run
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  Speaker 2: the ball. Are you surprised it was? I mean one
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  Speaker 2: of the real blowouts in Super Bowl twenty five year
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  Speaker 2: recent history.
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  Speaker 3: I think when you have a bad offensive line, and
• 1:26
  Speaker 3: you know, you play all these teams now in the
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: playoffs have good front fours. We've seen New England play
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  Speaker 3: Houston that they were barely winning that game. If it
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  Speaker 3: wasn't for CJ. Stroud last week it was hard to
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  Speaker 3: tell because of the blizzard or two weeks ago. Seattle
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  Speaker 3: just manhandled the front And if you have a bad
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  Speaker 3: offensive line in a game against a team with a
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  Speaker 3: good pass rush, it feels like you're not really trying.
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  Speaker 3: It's like watching a baseball team that strikes out fifteen
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  Speaker 3: times in the game. It's like they're trying, they're just
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  Speaker 3: not making any contact. You got no chance. I mean,
• 1:56
  Speaker 3: they had no because here's the thing with Seattle. You're
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  Speaker 3: not gonna run for one hundred plus yards on him,
• 2:01
  Speaker 3: so you have to throw. If they have a left tackle,
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  Speaker 3: who I think when the dust Sedtle is probably gonna
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  Speaker 3: end up playing guard.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we thought.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like you put him out there and they're
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  Speaker 3: just getting pressure. And then McDonald, who, let's face it
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  Speaker 3: is kind of like an offensive wizard just happens to
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  Speaker 3: be on the defensive side of the ball. I thought
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  Speaker 3: three quarters through the game you could give him the
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  Speaker 3: MVP as a coach and a play caller. Everyone the
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  Speaker 3: MVP could have given it to Mike McDonald.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Kyle Shanahan coaches twice said things in this game.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan in the pregame show said if Sam Donald
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  Speaker 2: and Seattle don't turn it over, they have a chance
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  Speaker 2: to blow New England out, and that was you don't
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  Speaker 2: hear coaches say that about other operations. I mean, Kyle
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  Speaker 2: said very I mean, Kyle knows, he's seen the film.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle's like, they have a chance to blow him out,
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  Speaker 2: meaning Kyle and McVeigh and those guys. They thought the
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowl was the NFC Championship. And then Mike Vrabel
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  Speaker 2: at half when they asked him, I know Mike well enough.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: You've seen Mike enough. Mike Vrabel knew at halftime, John,
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember the interview. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 2: they were asking him and he was just like, listen,
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  Speaker 2: you know. It was almost kind of acknowledging. That's why
• 3:14
  Speaker 2: they were so damn aggressive in the first quarter. They
• 3:17
  Speaker 2: needed Sam. They were trying to speed Sam up. They
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  Speaker 2: needed Sam to make a big mistake. I think Vrabel
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  Speaker 2: knew they were going to struggle to move the football.
• 3:25
  Speaker 2: He went hyper aggressive on the early blitzing and coverages,
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  Speaker 2: and like to the point you're like, man if Seattle
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  Speaker 2: hits on one of these, what they were trying to
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  Speaker 2: do is speed up Sam. That's when Sam can get reckless.
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  Speaker 2: But the story arc for Sam Darnold's fascinating because Johnny
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  Speaker 2: starts out at this wildly talented kid who's reckless. Then
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  Speaker 2: he becomes this kid that finally gets opportunities. Can still
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  Speaker 2: be reckless, but you get all the upside. And now
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  Speaker 2: he proves against the Rams and against the Patriots he
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  Speaker 2: can be the world's best game manager. Not make mistakes,
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: throw it away, hit on a couple of big throws,
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  Speaker 2: use his legs once or twice. He was basically asked
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  Speaker 2: the last two weeks, especially in this one, just don't
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  Speaker 2: make a big mistake. Don't make a big mistake. You've
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  Speaker 2: talked about this two weeks ago. He doesn't make. He
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  Speaker 2: takes sacks. There was one here with about two minutes
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  Speaker 2: left in the game. He just sat down. He's like,
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  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have done that five years ago. He would
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  Speaker 2: have tried to make something out of it. And so
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  Speaker 2: it's like the story arc is complete when you get
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  Speaker 2: the right coaching young people. Once you're thirty five as
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback, you are what you are. But for a
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  Speaker 2: young quarterback twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven, like those
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  Speaker 2: are the years you're malleable. You can be taught stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And between Sam's upside and now his ability to not
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  Speaker 2: I mean he did against the Rams, but like not
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  Speaker 2: get regularly reckless, he feels like a top ten quarterback
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, doesn't it show you too that, you know,
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: I saw McCaffrey on your show, and I think we
• 5:01
  Speaker 3: forget because that Carolina is so forgettable. He's like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the most probably powerful thing that Sam brought to the
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  Speaker 3: table was his attitude. You know, you've never heard a
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  Speaker 3: bad word uttered about him, and he has seen some
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  Speaker 3: dark times in his career, you know, and he kept
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  Speaker 3: a positive attitude and he kind of just kept his
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  Speaker 3: head down, was a good guy and just kept swinging.
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  Speaker 3: And then the damn really broke last year and this situation,
• 5:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, Minnesota's defense was good, it's not this. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: he's on a team. I don't know all their contract status,
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  Speaker 3: but pretty sure a lot of these guys are coming
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  Speaker 3: back like, yeah, he's not going anywhere that they're coach
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  Speaker 3: is a star that they are going to have to
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  Speaker 3: replace the offensive coordinator. But I would be stunned, wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: you if they don't keep the same offense implemented this
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  Speaker 3: Kubiak Shanahan, which his skill set fits perfectly, and now
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  Speaker 3: if he's going to be a good decision maker. He
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: went through that little, you know, mid season spell where
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  Speaker 3: he's turning the ball over. I feel like he hasn't
• 5:58
  Speaker 3: turned the ball over in a long time. You know,
• 6:00
  Speaker 3: you go back to that Rams Thursday night game. He's
• 6:03
  Speaker 3: kind of played flawlessly at the highest level of being
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  Speaker 3: a game manager, you know, Jomper Alex Smith is a
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  Speaker 3: game manager, or some of those type guys, Jimmy Garoppolo.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't have the skill set. He missed you heat
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  Speaker 3: on the deep ball, his skill set, his arm strength.
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  Speaker 3: Fred Warner said it on the pregame, He's like, this
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  Speaker 3: guy can rip it. Even Kyle Shanahan said on the pregame,
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  Speaker 3: we got too much credit. We just put him in
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  Speaker 3: a situation. He had the skill set. We just kind
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  Speaker 3: of built up his confidence, but he took it and
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  Speaker 3: ran with it. And props to him. What a cool
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  Speaker 3: what an awesome, genuine story. We don't get enough of
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  Speaker 3: those anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold in the playoffs. Five touchdowns, no picks, seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred total yards, one h two passer rating, and a
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  Speaker 2: Lombardi Trophy. That is more Super Bowls than the four
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  Speaker 2: teams that let him go over the last thirty two years.
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: You know, And like I get San Francisco. They had
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: brock Purty. They weren't paying him anything, want to keep him.
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  Speaker 3: He just got ten million from Minnesota and they couldn't
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  Speaker 3: pay a backup ten mins.
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  Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? No, it's I mean a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people have said, you know, Colin you I
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  Speaker 2: mean it was nineteen nothing at one point in this
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  Speaker 2: game when he had aj Barner, And I'm thinking, because
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  Speaker 2: I thought it would be low scoring, and I thought
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  Speaker 2: New England I thought the first half looked like I
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: thought the game would look That's that's what I thought
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  Speaker 2: the game would look like the first half. But I
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: thought New England would move the ball enough John, that
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  Speaker 2: their defense wouldn't get tired. I felt in the second half,
• 7:30
  Speaker 2: in that third quarter, you could feel New England's defense
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  Speaker 2: didn't tackle as well. See it like Darnold had like
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  Speaker 2: an extra second, an extra beat to throw. It's like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's your you know. I mean at one point you
• 7:42
  Speaker 2: had like seven completions Drake May late in the game,
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  Speaker 2: like they just until he hit those back to back
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  Speaker 2: ones to mac holland. So I thought Chris Collins said
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: something at the start of the second half, and again,
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  Speaker 2: you're working for NBC, you don't want to say this
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  Speaker 2: out loud, but Chris Collins was, to his credit, just
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  Speaker 2: said May's not ready. He's just not there. He's not
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  Speaker 2: And think about this. Matt Stafford against the Seahawks the
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  Speaker 2: last time they played in Seattle, three hundred and seventy
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  Speaker 2: four yards, three touchdowns over twenty completions. And that's the
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  Speaker 2: difference between this is what I talked about between Matt
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  Speaker 2: Stafford and Drake May. One Stafford knows the why every
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  Speaker 2: time he walks up to the line. Drake May doesn't
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  Speaker 2: know the what yet. He didn't really figure out Seattle
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  Speaker 2: until the very end. But a lot of that was
• 8:31
  Speaker 2: Seattle was in a more prevent defense than weren't his
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  Speaker 2: aggressive Collins were said this, they were getting pressure with
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  Speaker 2: four So I think I think New England. You and
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: I had said this, New England's the strange team. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not sure if this has ever happened before they got
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  Speaker 2: to a Super Bowl. John, I still think they're in
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: a rebuild. I mean, I think they're offensive line. They
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: need another tight end, another receiver. I think they needed
• 8:49
  Speaker 2: two more offensive linemen. I think Will Campbell gets moved inside.
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  Speaker 2: They draft a left packle. I think New England's still
• 8:54
  Speaker 2: in a rebuild.
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  Speaker 3: Offensively, Yeah, New England's gonna be fine. Think about you
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  Speaker 3: know that first series of the game for Seattle on offense,
• 9:03
  Speaker 3: it felt like Sam Darnold could have thrown a couple bicks.
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  Speaker 3: They were kind of squatting on some of the out
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  Speaker 3: routes and it was like, whoa is this gonna be?
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  Speaker 3: And it felt like he wasn't quite comfortable. Well, what
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  Speaker 3: does he have going for him? You know, eight years
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  Speaker 3: of experience, he's seen the lows pretty unfaced. Got better
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  Speaker 3: as the game went on. Used the Drake May thing.
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  Speaker 3: He was completely rattled. And this is a defense and
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  Speaker 3: a defensive coordinator that can really rattle you. Use the
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  Speaker 3: Stafford example. I think Brady talked about this in his
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  Speaker 3: forties like, the game's never been easier. I've never been smarter.
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  Speaker 3: I've never There's nothing I haven't seen. Peyton Manning went
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  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl. He couldn't throw Drake What is Drake May?
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: He's had one season of playing high level football. He
• 9:43
  Speaker 3: played at North Carolina and his rookie year was I mean,
• 9:47
  Speaker 3: they were awful, right, they drafted fourth. This is the
• 9:49
  Speaker 3: first time he's played in games that mattered. It does
• 9:52
  Speaker 3: feel a little bit like some historic quarterbacks that it's
• 9:56
  Speaker 3: like this was his first kind of I would say,
• 9:58
  Speaker 3: playing in the big leagues and it went really well.
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: They made it to the freaking Super Bowl, and he
• 10:02
  Speaker 3: was completely overwhelmed because Josh has proven Like, do I
• 10:06
  Speaker 3: think Josh had a bad game plan. I mean, Josh's
• 10:09
  Speaker 3: coached enough Super Bowls. I mean they've lost Super Bowls
• 10:11
  Speaker 3: where Brady through five hundred yards right against the Eagles.
• 10:14
  Speaker 3: So I think this was a quarterback being a little
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: over an offensive line. If you can't block people, whether
• 10:21
  Speaker 3: it's a regular season game, whether it's a Super Bowl,
• 10:23
  Speaker 3: whether it's a playoff game, you're in major trouble. They
• 10:25
  Speaker 3: couldn't block Houston. It just happened. CJ. Stroud played like
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: me or you you know if he's Shanahan said this.
• 10:31
  Speaker 3: He said, there were two Super Bowl defenses, and the
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: Niners played Houston. They could win the Super Bowl as
• 10:36
  Speaker 3: long as the special teams in offense just didn't screw
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: it up Seattle in Houston. Well, the offense for Houston
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: screwed it up Seattle. They're special teams. Has Meyers missed
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: a kick this year? I mean, I feel like every
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: game I watch he's split in the uprights. Their special
• 10:52
  Speaker 3: teams is just fantastic. They didn't even need it tonight.
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: And it's defensively, you're playing at young quarter that that
• 10:59
  Speaker 3: was a mismatch of personnel versus a young quarterback and
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: an offensive line that just isn't isn't super Bowl caliber.
• 11:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how many people are taping this.
• 11:09
  Speaker 2: By the way, I was going to say, show a
• 11:11
  Speaker 2: show of hands to people taping it. I thought for me,
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: I loved the first half, Like you're taping this right
• 11:19
  Speaker 2: and we have like four other people taping this right now?
• 11:21
  Speaker 2: Is that we have?
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: I was thinking about that. I thought that My wife
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: said at halftimes, she goes, this game is boring, and
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like no, this is this game is exactly what
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: this game has to be for New England to win.
• 11:36
  Speaker 2: Like people may have thought it's boring, but I'm like
• 11:38
  Speaker 2: New England was not going to drop twenty If I
• 11:41
  Speaker 2: told you the score right now, twenty nine thirteen, you
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: know who won the game. Like there was only one
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: way and I think Collins were said up before. For
• 11:51
  Speaker 2: New England to win, Drake mass to play really well.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnald just had to avoid turnovers. Drake May had
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: to make six or eight great throws in this game
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  Speaker 2: to win. Donald just didn't need a pick six and
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: that was the difference going into the game. Now again
• 12:03
  Speaker 2: I thought, I thought it was really going to be
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: played within the thirties, and it was for the first half.
• 12:08
  Speaker 2: But I mean I held it in the first half.
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: JSN had one catch for four yards. I will say this,
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: great players played great in big games. Kenneth Walker amazing,
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: Donald very solid. Weatherspoon was amazing. Christian Gonzales for New
• 12:22
  Speaker 2: England kept that thing from being a blowout in the
• 12:25
  Speaker 2: first half, Like he was sensational. But when you watch Seattle,
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: like I was thinking about during this game, I'm like,
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: New England will be fine. I mean, Donald's got two
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: more years on this deal. Very young. I mean Leonard
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Williams is one of the expensive older guys. They have
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: a first, second, third, I think a couple of six.
• 12:47
  Speaker 2: I was even I was thinking about John, what are
• 12:49
  Speaker 2: they draft? They probably draft a receiver skill guys, I
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: would guess. I mean, they've got three backs too, they
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: like they both kind of get banged up. Seattle's in
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: that weird space, John, I don't think they have a need.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: I think I think they need another receiver, you know,
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  Speaker 2: offosite JSN. I don't know if they'd waste another or
• 13:10
  Speaker 2: not waste but use another first round pick and a receiver.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: They did with JSN. But it's very rare when you
• 13:16
  Speaker 2: see a team and they don't have a lot of
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: free agents. They're really young. I mean, this is what
• 13:21
  Speaker 2: green Bay has been for the last three years. But
• 13:24
  Speaker 2: green Bay had to go and make a trade for
• 13:26
  Speaker 2: Micah Parsons. Seattle just went and found DeMarcus Lawrence. Like,
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what Seattle's hole is. Tell me another
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: team in the league. The Rams are the second best team.
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: We don't love their special teams or their corners. I'm
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: not sure what Seattle needs in the first three picks.
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: What do they need?
• 13:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah? To me, I think you just keep doubling down
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: on the defensive line. You know, Lawrence and Leonard Williams
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: are older players, They're not cheap, so I think you
• 13:51
  Speaker 3: can never have enough defensive lineman. I mean, think about
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: their secondary colin. It's all even Warrior and Witherspoon are
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: young players are kind of the heartbeat of the operation.
• 14:00
  Speaker 3: Pretty sure Ernest Jones is under contract. How about John
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: Schneider when he made the Russell Wilson trade and Denver
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: bottomed out and they got the fifth overall pick. Not
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: that he wasn't a high level prospect, but it was like, damn,
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: he's gonna take Witherspoon fifth overall. I mean, what did
• 14:14
  Speaker 3: he look like Ronnie lock tonight? I mean the guy
• 14:16
  Speaker 3: coming off the edge, his closing speed, I mean, he
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: was fantastic. He can go skill guys. But look at
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: Schneider's history as a GM skill guys. DK metcalf second round.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Where was Lockett drafted middle of the draft Back when
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: they got Marshawn Lynch. They got him for a fourth
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: round pick. They have found value on offense historically with
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: skilled players. So, I mean they have nailed premium positions
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: the guard this year, defensive lineman in the past, you know,
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: powerful secondary players. They've drafted high. Even Wore's second round pick,
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: Witherspoon was a fifth overall pick. So if I'm a
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: Seattle fan, I have so much faith in the operation.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I was thinking? You know, he
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: he kind of cut his teeth with the Green Bay Packers.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: When you can maintain winning with different coaches and different quarterbacks,
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: you are They're kind of like the Coastal Packers. You know.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: The Ravens have proven they can win with different coaches
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: and different gms. Yeah, different quarterbacks. Philly has proven that
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: over the years now, different coaches, different personnel people. Seattle
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: just is a high functioning, high level American team sports
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: organization now.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: And it also proves Seattle, you can argue, has three
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: of the top five coaches. Not Seattle. The NFC West
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: has three of the top five coaches in the NFL.
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, if we ran, if we were at a
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: draft from scratch, I think all three guys are going
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: on the top five, right, especially if you factor in age.
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: You know, one Tree, and I think that's what you know,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: we've listen. I grew up around the Niners, Bill Walsh, Shanahan, Holmgren.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: They all came from that world. There's something special about
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: a genius defensive guy, and historically Bill has been known
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: as the greatest one. But he was just he was
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: easy to hate. He's just so angry and such a curmudgeon.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: This guy seems pretty likable, you know. He kind of
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: feels like his classic thirty eight thirty nine year old millennial.
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: Just kind of a good guy, just easygoing, Like I've
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: never heard anyone say a bad word about like the
• 16:20
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  Speaker 2: the same vision, the same values. So much in the
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  Speaker 2: NFL is collaboration. Bill Belichick's kind of way of doing
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't collaborative. That was not his generation. Belichick that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't work that way. Nick Saban in college was
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't about much about collaboration, although Nick was better
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  Speaker 2: than Bill. This modern era, players make more money, players
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  Speaker 2: are have some power, not NBA level or baseball. But
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  Speaker 2: I also think the reality is people are bigger and
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  Speaker 2: faster and stronger. Like football is a sport with a
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  Speaker 2: regulated level of violence, like hockey. When you play football, John,
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  Speaker 2: you're sacrifice. You can get paralyzed, you can get hurt seriously,
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: and so there's a humility built into the sport. You
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: can never get too cocky. I don't care if you're
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: the size of Gronk, if you're this, you know, if
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: you're an athlete like Christian Gonzalez, he gets banged up
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: all the time, there's something. The reason it's so easy
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: to accept Sam Darnald if you're a Seattle Seahawk is
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: everybody knows you could have been drafted to the Jets.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: You could have gone to the Saints, you could have
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: gone to the Bengals. I always feel like in football,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: there's this understanding that, like a guy will make a
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: mistake in a game and people will run over and
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: like put their arm around him in football, Like you
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: don't see that necessarily in other sports that level. And
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of it is Football's hard, John,
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Football practice is hard, and that's what makes Sam Donald's
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: story so redemptive. And it's like he hit the bottom.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, your first team ago poorly. He hit the bottom.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: He was like I see ghosts like a meme. And
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: I think I think Sam Donald is one of in
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: my life and my lifetime of football, is honestly one
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of the great quarterback stories ever, of redemption of what
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: football is about about. I mean, there's so many there's
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: so many messages in Sam Darnald, like keep your head up.
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: Life isn't linear. You're gonna you're gonna fail. It's how
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: you react, not act. I just I know people will
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: say this is a boring super Bowl, but there's just
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: not a lot of stories in the history of football
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: better than Sam Darnald in terms of quarterbacks being buried
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: bad organization. You know, it's I just I just was
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: so damn happy for him. I guess yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: I mean just a very genuine moment. I mean for
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: a guy that he was a linebacker coming into college, right,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: he played linebacker and quarterback, and I saw our guy,
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: uh Ty Dunn had had a Q and A with
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: John Schneider this week, and the one thing John said
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: is like, we just looked at him like a football player,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: former linebacker. The toughness, the humility like you would get
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: in a guard right, or a linebacker, because at any
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: moment you get to whenever you hear an old or
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: an NFL player telling a story, they always talk about
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: the time so and so humbled them on the field
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: where they just got destroyed by a guy, because at
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: any moment, it's why you know, you can't really tank
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: in football. You want a half ass the football game,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you will get injured. And there was Listen, most guys
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: in Sam Donald's category once they failed that much. Let's
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: face it, fail forever, or just become a backup and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: kind of become irrelevant. I mean, how many guys of
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: his generation that just became backups. Mariota is a good example.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: Star college player, Heisman Trophy. I mean, it's part of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: the rise of the dominance of Oregon. He's been a
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: locked back up now for what feels like a decade.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just what you there's nothing wrong with that,
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: you know, you look up. Mariota will have made one
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars the rest of his life. He'll have
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: played in the NFL. Tell people for fourteen years. I mean,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: Sam Donald's a super Bowl champion and this wasn't you know,
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: we have the dilfers and the bread Johnson's. That was
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: not the case with this. And even coming into the Sea,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: when you have a year where you throw thirty five
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: touchdowns on a team that won fourteen games, like that's honestly,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: that that momentum of last year I think kind of
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: validated the realness behind the player, Like this wasn't just
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: a guy dinking it. This wasn't Jimmy Garoppolo, no, right,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: even though he had moments where that's all they needed
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: just manage the game, don't turn them all over, and
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: he didn't. But yeah, I mean it was a what
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a what a cool story. I mean, you couldn't make
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: it up. People wouldn't have believed it three or four
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: years ago, coming in that Sam Darnold's the star quarterback
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: on a team that just won the Super Bowl, and
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: I would imagine when we look at the odds, they're
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: going to be near the top coming into twenty twenty six.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: I would think the Rams would be number one and
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks would be number one or number two. It
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: will go. I mean, Stafford and McVeigh have such power,
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: and you know they're revered kind of inn NFL circles.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Stafford's going to get more money, so the Rams are
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: going to have to hit on some draft picks and
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: they have two ones and it's not a quarterback draft,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: so I mean Rams are gonna address corner problem.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: The thing you see though, and the one thing that
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: Sam has and that most quarterbacks have. Now it is difficult.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: And I know Stafford has had an excellent NFC championship.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: When you can't move it all in the way the
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: game is played now, it becomes a challenge. I mean,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: how he plays to night. Did Sam just maneuver just
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: to keep a play alive even in completions? Matt who
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: he wants I would call a great athlete, but he
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: was a good remember Detroit, He could really move around.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: He is now what Eli Manning or something.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: You know what I noticed from the standpoint, what I
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: moved about saff noticed about Stafford tonight. Excuse me what
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I noticed about Darnold tonight. His in pocket movement is
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: better than Drake May's in pocket movement. May may beat
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Sam in a foot race now in terms of movement,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: but May drops back and he kind of stays where
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he's at because he doesn't have a feel for the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: pro pocket yet. Sam multiple times tonight moved within the pocket.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: That just comes from years of practice and game snaps. Donald, now,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: I mean think about this, Darnald had multiple times in
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: that first half. You're like, he's even Collins were said
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: they should probably diagram runs for these quarterbacks. They can't
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: move the ball. Donald now doesn't really run well. I
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: mean I've watched every Seahawk game. He'll he'll take off
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: about twice a game, May about six times a game,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and a lot of that's because May can't read the
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: defense like Donald. He's just too young. And Seattle's got
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: JSN who's usually open. But I mean a lot of
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Donald's growth is he just hangs. He not only throws
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: fewer picks, but he hangs in the pocket and moves
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: better to buy time. That was always Brady's strength is
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: side to side movement. Donald does that very well now.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Part of the seeing ghosts, I think a lot of
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: people thought it's just that he didn't know where to look,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: that he would see things that weren't actually there. It's
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: also when you're getting hit a lot, you start freaking
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: out and seeing things that aren't there, so you run
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: into sacks. And tonight you saw that with Drake may
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: He was not very comfortable in the first half. Yeah,
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: and that led to very very inaccurate throws that Collins
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: weren't a couple of times like that's kind of a
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: layup throw in the NFL, he's got to make. Yeah,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: And I think once you start hitting at quarterback on
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: top of clearly Mike's moving people around on the back end,
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: he had no clue what was going on, which is
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: very understandable. This guy didn't train with Nick Saban in
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: college guy played at North Carolina. I mean, a lot
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: of these quarterbacks. Part of the reason that drives me
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: nuts about CJ. Strouds, Like you come from Ohio State,
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Like you've played in some bright lights games, Like I
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: understand the NFL is a different level, but you just
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: need to calm down a little bit, Drake, just North Carolina,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Boston College is not preparing you for these NFL playoffs.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: There was a point where he had Drake May had
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: eight drives, eight punts and seven completions. And I bet
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: you my guess is Mike Vrable if he has a
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: moment with him John, if Mike Bravell has fifteen seconds
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: with Drake May that nobody hears, He's going to put
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: his arm around him and said, kid, you probably played
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the best defense in this league and certainly the best
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: team in the last eight to ten years in the NFL.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I mean, I would argue, you could say, oh, Philadelphia,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts is not right now. Is consistent in this
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: pocket as Sam Darnold, He's not. He struggles to see
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: over the field. Sam throws over the middle of the
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: field a lot, And I think I can see Rabel
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: just saying, kid, yeah, nobody was winning today. We could.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just think that you know the first
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: thing you saw and I think you saw the same
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: thing first drive. You're like, oh, Will Campbell is a guard.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: He can't block, He's going to get eaten alive. Whereas
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: you saw that versus Houston. But Houston's offense they can't
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: run the ball. They're not as consistent. So it's like
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: very first drive. I'm like, Okay, this is what I
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: talked about last week on Fox, Like this was my concern,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Like they they're not going to be able to run
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: the ball that I knew all the numbers told you
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: they would run the ball. I'm like, okay, three strap drop,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: get it out. And I'm like, oh, they they may
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: not be able to do that much.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: One thing, too, is when you look at Will Campbell,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: his body doesn't exactly look like he's Lane Johnson or
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: Trent Williams. And while he can work on that in
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: the strength room over the course of the next couple
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: of years. As a young player, Howard Mud, the late
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: great Howard Mud, the offensive line coach, taught me something
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: that I never forgot. He says, functional strength, like you
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: can add one hundred pounds to your squat or your
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: bench your functional strength. Typically as a college player definitely
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: as like an early maybe a rookie doesn't. You don't
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: look ten years and a guy that was weak is
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: now strong like Trent Williams. Your strength is kind of
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: your strength, and you're watching him, you go, he's not powerful,
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and in three years he's not going to just be
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: stoning guys on the edge and clearly the length and
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: you can't have the weakness at left tackle in this NFL.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: How many teams now colin have multiple big time pass
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: rushers even if your best pass rushers are defensive tackles.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Remember when Aaron Donald was kind of like, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: they didn't have a great defensive line, but they had him.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: If you had a weak right tackle or left tackle,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: they would put him on the edge. So they will
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: find your weakness and just expose it. These pass rushers
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: moved to right to left, They don't stay on a side.
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: They will just attack him over and over. And they
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: were and then he starts bringing corner and safety blitzes
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: the other side and Drake May got all frazzled. Now
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I'm not anti Drake May at all. I think there
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: are some parallels. If did you watch the Lway doc
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: on Netflix. Haven't seen it if you haven't watched it,
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: but he in there is that game where they got
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: blown out by the forty nine ers, like fifty five
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: to ten in the Super Bowl, and John's like, looking back,
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: we had no chance. They were way better. But He's like,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I made it worse as I started freaking out and
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: forcing things. And that's what it looked like a little
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: bit with Drake. They're overwhelmed and he kind of starts
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: getting frazzled and forcing things, and it kind of got
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: worse because beside I had the two passes to mccollins.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: It was horrendous offensive football, right, it was really bad.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: He threw obviously a pick on a couple drives later.
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: He could have easily thrown another pick on that jump
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: ball into like triple coverage where even Collinsworth was like, god,
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: it looked like they were fair catching the ball. I mean,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: it was just he's had an excellent season. I think
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: we got the right guy won the MVP, like Stafford
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: belonged as the MVP, especially when.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker won the MVP. Here by the way, oh,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: in the he deserved it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: You could have given to it. I thought you could
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: have given to the kicker, but you could have given
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: to Mike McDonald as well. Listen, Drake May, we might
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: look back on a couple of years, and he goes, listen,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: it's the best thing that ever happened to me. A
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: lot of great quarterbacks ass paidon. Manning got his asking
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: for years in the playoffs.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: Think about this, the legion of Boom, you know, humiliated
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Peyton Manning and the Super Bowl. But I think they
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: only had one sack in that game. If I recall,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: this team had seven sacks and so it was. I mean,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Drake May, I mean, there's a difference between the pocket
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: being muddy, in the pocket being quicksand like there were
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: times he was throwing the ball and it was like
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: the difference between me and somebody sitting next to me
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: in this chair. Yeah, I just don't think I mean,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's I mean, obviously if you had
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: a more veteran quarterback. But I said it this week,
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: I said, just look at Matt Stafford, I mean his family,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: the kids, Like he's an adult. You can't be president
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: t your thirty five like Matt Stafford has more fourth
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: quarter comebacks in his career for wins then Drake May
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: has starts, And there is something to be said, Like
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you saw in this game, Drake May got nervous. Matt
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Stafford doesn't get nervous. Like again, when I said the MVP,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if it was mena chimes or
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: somebody was arguing it. And there's a lot of stats.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: It's like, it's not about just stats. I mean, first
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: of all, Drake May didn't have as many big plays,
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: big big throws they call it, had more mistakes. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: beyond that, when Drake May goes to the line of scrimmage,
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: he's not all how many times in this game did
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: you see him audible out of plays? I don't recall one,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: not a single one, whereas Stafford does it. I mean,
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and when you're audibling out of a play, you're audibling
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: out of a Sean McVay call, and he does it
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: four or five times in games. So I mean, what
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: Drake May struggled with tonight, I don't think anybody I
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: don't care. I mean Andrew Luck, I think had nine
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: different games with three picks. Andrew Luck like couldn't memorize
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: a phone book in two afternoons. Drake May wasn't born,
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: wasn't ready for this moment. That's why I kept saying
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: Drake May was one in seven going into this game
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: when he has to throw thirty five or more. If
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: New England couldn't run like they had to play great defense,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: and they did for a half. They were really good
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: for a half. But he's just he's not ready for
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: this moment.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: I thought, watching as their offense could just sputter series
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: the guy who's got to be sick to his Stomachus
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen and the Bills, and the reason they cried
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: after that that Bronco game is I'm not saying they
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: beat Seattle, but you'd be hard pressed if you're sitting
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: with Josh Allen watching this game, going that's the team
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: that represented. It's one thing when it was Mahomes, right,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kyle Shanahan watching Seattle win it, He's like shit,
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, we would have loved to run into this
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Patriot team in one of these Super Bowls. We're running
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: to Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen and I had to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: be thinking there was a reason he was in tears
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: because he knew he had to go through bow Knicks.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: And you know, second year Drake May whose team, just
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the Patriots team is going to be dramatically better in
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: a couple of years. It's it's next year. It's pretty
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: crazy like last year when the Commanders made the NFC
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Championship and this Patriot team made the Super Bowl. Typically,
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: teams that I would say new into their rebuild from
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: a talent standpoint and a roster construction do not make
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: runs like that. And the god they got exposed tonight.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, well, and it's not you can't tell me.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: It's a coaching Rabels established as a great coach. Josh
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: McDaniels coached a million of these games. And there's nothing
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: they could do. Nothing, They had no when you can't
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: block Bill waltsh could have been calling the plays, it would.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Not have mattered.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: The difference between Washington and New England is craft. We
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: don't know if Josh Peters is he the owner of Washington.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: He took over her dam Josh Harris, I'm sorry, he's
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: more of a basketball guy. We don't know if he's
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: going to be a great football owner. Robert Kraft is
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Frabel's a better coach than I think than Dan Quinn. Yes,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: and Drake May doesn't have a history of getting hurt.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels is a spindlely guy. We both love him.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: We both said about Jaden Daniels, he is thin, kind
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: of a Teddy Bridgewater build where you like him, smart,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of things to like, but you're like, man,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: can that guy take? Is that a fifteen year starter
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: in the league, So there's gonna be no drop off.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: They're going to be better. They draft well, they got
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: the right ownership, Josh mcdani niels. I mean, Cliff Kingsbury's
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: already gone in Washington. Josh McDaniel's gonna be there for
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: ten years. I thought I thought there were some real
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: tilling signs early in this game. Vrabel was telling you
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: by the early game plan, I mean he was telling
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: you how super aggressive they were, like they needed to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: take a lead, like he knew we can't play from behind.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: I mean they were jumping routes in the first two
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: series like they were taking bit and their their take was,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have to create some guys we can't
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: play once it was nineteen to even, nineteen to seven,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: nineteen nothing nineteen seven. You're like, I'm sitting there thinking, well,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: New England can't. They're gonna need a blocked punt. That's
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: That's literally what I kept thinking during the game was
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: New England's gonna have to block a punt. You're not
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: going to return a touchdown on a kickoff. You have
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: to block a punt. They got, They got kind of
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: close to one. But I don't think New England's going anywhere.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: I think they'll be better next year. That's why for
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen, you know, Burrow, Lamar and Mahomes and Justin
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Herbert will have his tackles. This was the year to
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: win in the AFC.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: This was it big time, I mean, and the AFC, though,
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: even for the Patriots, is never gonna be Not that
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: it was easy for them by any means, but it'll
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: be much more difficult from a quarterback standpoint. If you
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: just look at the average the last five years, you're
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: going through a lot more talented than the C. J.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: Strouds and the way it broke with them with Stidham, right,
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: I mean, they got some pretty good and listen, Herbert's
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: gonna have to answer some questions in the playoff games.
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: We all know, like he can't really prove much in
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: the regular season anymore. He's gonna be judged with Mike
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: and Harball in January. I'm not jumping ship, I'm not
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: selling my stock, but I mean, he's played three games,
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: they've been pretty bad.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: What do we do with Sam Darnold now? Because I
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: think you and I think the same thing. The roster's young,
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: the GM's great, the coach is amazing. They don't have
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: to move off anybody. JSN young, the Cooper couple be
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: on the team. They'll probably draft another. Plus they got
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: that kid that got hurt earlier from Colorado State. The
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: receiver's actually kind of an interesting player. Horton.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Is that his name?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. So my take is going in the next season,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: tell me the quarterbacks that are definitively you would take
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: tomorrow over Sam Darnold. If you've got a three year contract.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean to me, you don't need He doesn't
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: really need to worry worry about the AFC, the Mahomes,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: the Allens. When you look at the NFC, it's like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: I mean, Caleb makes some great plays in the fourth quarter,
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: but god, he's throwing fifty percent of police percent.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: This is look in the NFC right now. You take
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: him over golf because of his arm and the ability
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: to move. Stafford's old pretty can be injury prone and small.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: Jordan Love we like, but he's not. I mean that
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I think I feel about Jordan Love. There's a lot
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: to like. Big moves, whip. Maybe it's a little fluor thing,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: but he hasn't want enough big games. Caleb's great, still
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: a work in progress. I would argue, I would I
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: shock you next.
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: Year Baker came back to earth Dak's older.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: If I said to you the two best quarterbacks in
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the NFC next year are Caleb Williams and Sam Donald,
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: is that crazy?
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean the Caleb thing, I mean we got
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the he makes some great plays, and he makes some
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: great winning plays, but I mean we got to get
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: even assistent. Yeah, he's a little uneven. Now, this is
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: a huge offseason for him. I always bet on the coaching.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: So it's like, s why Perty's not going anywhere. He's
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: got Kyle. It's why Caleb's not going anywhere. He's got
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, right, So why Sam's not going anywhere? He's
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: got Mike in the infrastructure with John so I it
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Obviously Stafford's just established. He hasn't gone anywhere for a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: long time, even love Like, I mean, he's gotta be
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: a little more consistent, but he's been solid, right. I mean,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: they go to the playoffs every year. It's just the
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: high end in the NFC is not the high end
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: in the AFC. I mean, johnsh Allens probably most talented
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: player of all time. Mahomes might be the best player
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: of all time. We'll see what it said and done.
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson is I don't know, the most unique player
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I've ever seen. Like the Steve Young I grew up on,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: wasn't running like the guy in the late eighties, right, Lamar,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: the way he played now, can't he maintain it? But
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Burrow when he's on looks like stronger Montana. So, I mean, yeah,
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: those guys are I mean, these are all time great talents.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: But when you look at the NFC, there's a lot
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: of like Dacks and Goffs and like, to me, that's
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: what makes the NFC unique is you can watch Dak
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: over the aggregate and he's fantastic. Then the playoffs he
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: has been atrocious, right, And Jared Goff sometimes in these
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: bigger games. If you can pressurehim, he can't move. Purdy
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: has had some big moments, but it's like if can
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: he totally carry you? With his teams a little down,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: Like he's got some limitations. Caleb, You're just not gonna
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: be able to consistently win thrown in the fifties. It's
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: just gonna be difficult. His completion percentage on the laffs
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is gonna have to go up. But he's got a knack.
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: He's got kind of something special that it's hard to
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: even describe. So I think the NFC, I'd expect the
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: same teams to be back in the NFC. Like who's
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: gonna be in the NFC playoffs next year? Seattle, the Rams,
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: the Niners, the Packers. I mean it's like I don't
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: expect for the probably the Eagles. I mean, I don't
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: expect much different the Bear I mean it, I'd be
• 40:00
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• 40:03
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  Speaker 2: because there's at least four new teams every year in
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. But it used to be like it felt like,
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I mean the two things. We always had six or
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: seven new coaches in the NFL. This year we had ten.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Why cause they're the owners are all billionaires, and they're
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: more impulsive. So I think we're going to have a
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: trend of like eight to ten new coaches. It's going
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: to become a thing every few years. You didn't feel
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: like it used to be that impulsive. The other thing
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: is I think it's easier to predict. I mean, like
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: I've done this like four years in a row where
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: I take two teams and I said, yeah, they're going
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: to be the two best most improved teams. This year
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: it was Seattle in New England. Right, it's not that difficult.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: Like the New York Giants, for instance, are easily going
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to double their win total with John Harbaugh. And you
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: know when they shore up the right tackle position, probably
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: a tight end that's an easy one. The Raiders with
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Mendoza could be a double year win total team if
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak is you know, average, the slightly better than
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: average as a head coach, and they can get their
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: O line healthy. It was all beat up last year,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: but it is there's not I mean, the AFC will
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: have the new playoff teams. Kansas City's probably finding their
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: way back in Baltimore, probably Pittsburgh out Aarons a year older.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: If Aaron comes back, it may be Will Howard. You
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: can look at the AFC and go, okay, this this NFC.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: That's why I say about Sam Darnold. It's like you
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: could see you could see like Stafford getting banged up.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: That's happened to him a lot in his career. You
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: could see, you know, the Rams draft to tackle, he's
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: not ready to quite play. One of their tackles gets hurt.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Stafford gets banged up, maybe missed a few games. You
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: could see San Francisco again, they're old, expensive, they have
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: to hit on some draft picks. Seattle is one of
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the surefire teams to me in the league unless the
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: Clint Kubiak replacement whiffs totally. But they're gonna get somebody
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: out of that tree somebody that brings the same offense.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: So there's very few guarantees in the league. I kind
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: of feel like, strangely two guys that we think. I mean,
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: New England's gonna be good. That's a guarantee. I think
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: that's one of the safe guarantees. But I mean I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: think the Bill.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I think the Bills are gonna be pretty good too.
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I mean, they'll be.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Fine, but we don't know if Joe Brady, You're probably right,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: but Seattle does feel a little bit like a yeah,
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be back here a lot.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: We'll think about this when when Sam went to Seattle,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: if you would have said to most people the fall football,
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: let's say he could have stayed in Minnesota, you'd like
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: stay there better. Now, looking back, the GM was just
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: forced out. Clearly they got some dysfunction internally. Z wouldn't
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: resign his contract till they got rid of the GM. Now,
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: the coach who has never won a playoff game pretty
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: clearly has all the power, which you know, a lot
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: of these personnel guys that can be scary. Andy Reid
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: went to Kansas City. He's like, I don't want to
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: be the GM anymore. I don't want that job. So
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: now you've got Kevin O'Connell colin free agencies in a month.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: They don't have a who do he thinks picking the
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: players for free agency or any of their moves. The
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: coach you go to Seattle, where I think we all
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: thought highly of Mike McDonald after this year, we go geez.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of the best coaches in the league.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: He's one of the brightest young coaches I ever remember,
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: because you know, he kind of I don't want to
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: say came out of nowhere because he's been in the
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: Ravens Street. But defensive guys, it takes a little while
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: for their hype to grow. In about a twenty four
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: month span, he went from like, this guy's a big
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: time defensive coordinator, this guy's one of the best head
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: coaches in the league, and they have a GM. I
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: googled it. There have been two gms before this that
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: have won a Super Bowl with or multiple Super bowls.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Would different head coaches and different quarterbacks. That's Howie Roseman
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: and Ozzie Newsom. Ozzie Newsom's already in the Hall of
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: Fame as a player, he might as well be as
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: a GM too. He's he's a Hall of Famer, Howie
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Roseman when the dust Santle is gonna be Hall of
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: Famer two. John Schnyder's a Hall of Famer. Minnesota just
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: had to run their GM out because he hit on
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: two out of twenty eight draft picks. John Schnyder hits
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: on three draft picks every year with his eyes closed.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: So it's like they actually went to a place which
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: is fantastic infrastructure that you would just bet on in
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: the future, where Minnesota you go, that's that's now. A coach,
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: a young coach would just Kyle Shanahan and Sean McVeigh.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: They have powerful GMS and like Lesson, John have a
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: lot they can calm there. Who's telling Kevin and Brian
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Flores what to do right now? The answer is nobody.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: So in a weird way where it looked like, God,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: you'd want to stay in Minnesota, the best thing that
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: ever happened to Sam was him getting out of there
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: and going to this place that is now like you said,
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: has this runway and a place that just he just
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: kind of gets to have a home and create like
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: he's going to be their quarterback. I mean, what would
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: you minimum five more years not going anywhere you talk
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: about contract extension.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he broke into the league he was
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: twenty so he's twenty eight now. And you can just
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: tell from his body, like he stays in shape. He's
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: also Sam's also gotten much smarter, Like he sits down,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: he doesn't take sacks. Sam's I mean, And I think
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I remember reading this once about autistic kids. That was
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: an article and they were saying, you know, autistic kids
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: sometimes have advantages because they know they're very good strategic people,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: because they know they have to be to succeed. You
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: have to be more strategic when you're on the spectrum.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: And I don't remember where I read this, it was
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: years and years ago. And I also think people who
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: fail initially in their professional career, it really it serves
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: two things. One, you're so incredibly grateful. You're such a
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: great teammate going forward, if you've been crapped on, if
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: you've been in a bad environment, you're so appreciative of
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a good environment. So that's an advantage when anytime in
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: life professionally, your first two jobs are awful. I mean,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you you in radio, you're like one of the easiest
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: guys ever. You got treated like crap in radio. I
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: remember when I listened to your first tape and I'm like, well,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: why did they let him go? I don't I don't
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: understand it. But but the reality is you're probably now
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: more grateful because you had a bad situation. And I
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: think that's that's what ingratiates Sam is Like Sam was
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: always like a humble guy, but when it goes sideways,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: you just have like there's there. It's the duality of life.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: You know, if something if you don't get this in
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: your life, if you don't get that, if you have
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: to deal with something, they're there. People usually like are
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: more appreciative, they're more humble, they work harder. I mean,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: there's there's no question. If you took the average trust
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: fund kid and the average kid that work up in
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: a working class family and had to work in a farm,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you you the advantage to the ladder is
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: that his work ethic just may be so exemplary because
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: he's always had to work. Like he never had the
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: fancy cool stuff, right, like the shoes and the cars. Like,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: so life is just about give and take and action
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: and reaction. And I think you know how Tom Brady
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: still cries when he talks about being drafted in the
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: sixth round. It won't matter what will happen to Sam Darnold.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: My guess is John he will always take reasonably team
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: friendly deals. He will always take them because he got
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: He knows how bad it is when you don't have
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  Speaker 2: enough talent. And my thing is, I think Sam's gonna
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: look at this and go like, man, I got lucky.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I could have gone to Carolina, like I think Sam
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: looks at it and you could say, boy, I bet
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: he wishes the Jets never happened. But in a way,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be one of those guys that's gonna be
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: like you know what, it's like Matt Stafford's taking some
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: team friendly deals. Why because he was in Detroit right
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: like he you know, Aaron Rodgers, to his credit, took
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: a team friendly deal, which is he deserves credit for
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: that because in Green Bay it never bought himed out
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: like it was always pretty good. So I think Darnold's career,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: I think going forward, he's always gonna be a guy
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: that's gonna sign quick, team friendly, great teammate. He may
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: have always been that because he's a great guy with
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: a great family. But there are advantages sometimes to getting
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: punched in the ribs early in your professional career, early
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: in your life.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's harder to be introspective when life's
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: pretty good, right, I mean, it's easy to look in
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: the mirror when you're like, you know, things aren't going great.
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: Look a look at the Chiefs this offseason for the
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: first time, some of those guys are gonna have to go. God,
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: that sucked. It could be one of those you look
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: back in five years where Mahomes goes is the best
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: thing that ever happened. Though, we had to do some reevaluation.
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: What do you reevaluate when you're making the Super Bowl
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: every year win or lose? Right? So I think the
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: other thing is a team friendly deal. In a couple
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: of years, Colin could be like four years, one hundred
• 49:56
  Speaker 3: and fifty million dollars. So it's like the boom of
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: the NFL. You know, when I hear about these coaching situations,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: well this guy, you know, the everything that happened with
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: the ten coaches only one black guy. Well, if I'm
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: Brian Flores, I would rather make six million and work
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: for Kevin O'Connell. I'm making more than Todd Munkin and
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the Arizona I wouldn't take. Those jobs are terrible. I
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: wouldn't touch those jobs with a twenty football that if
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: I'm Flores, unless the Steelers or the Ravens are highing me,
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to these other places. I'm already I've
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: already had my career derailed, and I'm being compensated to
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: be the number two here. But I wouldn't the Cardinals job.
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: That's as bad as there are fifteen college jobs that
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: dwarf that. I mean, that's that's a terrible football. The
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: Browns like that is all those guys are gonna get
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: fired in a couple of years. I've bet my life
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: on that. So I think when you look at the NFL,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: some of these situations, you know, it's just it's pretty
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: rare to win all the time. What's the less as
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: John Schneider ever lost the gym, They're bad. Seasons have
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: been like nine and seven. They just they don't lose.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: So most of these teams never win. I would have
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: told Robert sala I said, you better be pretty sure
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: going to Tennessee. I mean that that is a place
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: where you got a lot going for you, your career
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: is only gonna go like this from a from the
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: way people talk about you. You go to Tennessee, it
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: could really derail you. Rahee Morris, who clearly had changed
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: his career around, takes the Falcons job like I don't
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: know if the Falcons is a good job. I would argue,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: like that thing's not really gonna work just because it's
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: just not a good place. The Giants do have the infrastructure,
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: They've just been hiring the wrong people. So I think
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: when you look at Sam Darnold and you look like
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: a lot of these guys the story schefter put out
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: today they want to get rid of Tua and Kyler. Well,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: both those two teams paid them top of the market.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: They weren't top of the market players. It's like John Morant,
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: you're not gonna be able to give those guys away.
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: You were not gonna be able to give either. Maybe
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: Kyler if they eat a bunch of money, because he's
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: got some physical you know, he's got a big arm,
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: he can run around a little bit. Tua, I don't
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: think there's a team in the league that would touch him.
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: For the veteran minimum if he was cut. You know,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: so the Miami you pay overpaid these wrong quarterbacks. We
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: have a great lesson over the last like five six years.
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: You go all in on the right guys, okay, but
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: you go all in on the wrong guys, it's gonna
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: derail your franchise. I don't care who your coach is.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: Former NFL scout John Middlecoff. His podcast is three and out.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: The Seattle Seahawks are Super Bowl champions twenty nine to thirteen.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Kenneth Walker is the MVP. Jason Myers super Bowl record,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Sam Darnold, no turnovers, solid performance. I mean, his story
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: arc is complete. He can gain manage, he can get
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: in a shootout.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Do you think Allan family just got an extra billion
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: dollars selling it into a Super Bowl championship? That does
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: that add a billion on it?
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Probably? Honestly, what's your guests on.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: The number right now?
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  Speaker 2: Eight?
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: I might even go like eight and a half. I
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: don't see how it goes for a number that doesn't
• 52:59
  Speaker 3: blow people out of the water.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Well, if you buy it for eight and you're worth
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: twenty five billion, you pay four and a half. You
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: you own fifty five sixty percent, But you get other investors.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: That's what you do. So that's what Mark Cuban did
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: with the MAVs. You buy the majority share, but then
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: you get Elon Musk with Twitter. He's using all sorts
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: of money, right Like, So if somebody's worth twenty five billion,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: they pay four billion cash and they own, you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: fifty one to fifty two percent, and then they get
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: six other rich guys, but they have the final say,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: and eight billion becomes pretty affordable in the oligark world
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: pretty quickly. John, I'm happy. I must sleep well tonight.
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can imagine all your Seattle friends, big moment
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: for the Pacific Northwest. That's that was.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: That was cool.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Then I call my sister right now, all right, Bud
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: see it
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  Speaker 1: The