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NASA's Big Reveal: 3I/ATLAS Presser – Alien Tech, Comet, or Blue Beam? · Shepard Ambellas Show

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  [SPEAKER_19]: Guys, sorry, look, I'm gonna go live here shortly.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm gonna pull up a,
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  [SPEAKER_19]: timer for now, but NASA is basically getting ready to make a big announcement about comet 3i Atlas, so we can expect either, you know, some type of deception or lies, you know, NASA equals never a straight answer, maybe they'll tell us it's swamp gas, or maybe they'll come out and tell us that
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_19]: this interstellar object three eye atlas is of alien technological origin.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_19]: So we will just have to wait and see how this goes.
• 0:47
  [SPEAKER_19]: We're going to have mouse mouse joining us coming up here shortly and things are going to get interesting guys.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: So
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  [SPEAKER_19]: make sure and get your popcorn ready, get your fruit punch, your coffee, whatever you want.
• 1:03
  [SPEAKER_19]: I got a little bit of this Americano coffee right here and we're going to be diving into this.
• 1:15
  [SPEAKER_19]: new developments also coming out.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: I have some images I'm going to be showing and how this all potentially relates to the Nabi Rude Nemesis star system, ancient Sumerian cylinder seals, tablets and biblical connections which mouse mouse will fill us in on and all of this very exciting
• 1:41
  [SPEAKER_19]: the White House building a $300 billion ball room.
• 1:46
  [SPEAKER_19]: A lot of people are wondering what's going on with that.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: There's even whispers that it's some type of recreation of Solomon's temple that they're building or, you know, so what is going on?
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  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm going to ask Mouse Mouse, his opinions on that here shortly.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: We got about 12 minutes and 45 seconds here to get into the show.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm just going to let this music roll right here and I'll be back here in a moment.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: We're going to be talking about this.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: NASA announcement here coming up shortly.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: NASA, of course, getting ready to go live with their press conference on three eye outlets.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: whatever one's been waiting for.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, they may announce that this thing is of technological of a technological nature.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: They may try to explain it away as off-gassing or something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, they might have to explain how it's trajectory changed.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: And if they explain this a way, it's essentially only going to buy them about 30 more days until Earth-based astronomers get their closest photos, right?
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  [SPEAKER_19]: So that's when it will be closest to Earth, 30 days from now December the 19th.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: you know that's I mean this is going to be interesting so we'll see how it is all going to play out I'm gonna let you guys listen to this music here for a moment while we're getting ready
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  [SPEAKER_17]: the unveiling new images today of the massive comet hurtling through space and defying the scientific odds.
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  [SPEAKER_17]: Its name is comet III I Atlas and it's just a third known interseller object to move through our solar system.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: When it was discovered, it was traveling at a whopping 100
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  [SPEAKER_20]: 37,000 miles per hour thankfully.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: As of right now, there is no danger of it hitting Earth.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: Joining us now, we're having them back.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: Astral physicists, Avie Loeb, and they should really name this thing the three eye Avie Loeb because you've been one of the most, if not the most outspoken experts on this thing.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: Let's start with the images.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: What are you expecting these images to show?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks for having me.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The images were taken when three I Atlas passed closest to Mars back on October 3rd.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And the government shutdown prevented NASA from processing those images and releasing it into the public, it would be the highest resolution images we ever had of three I Atlas with the 30 kilometers per pixel.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: resolution.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I very much look forward to seeing what these images reveal.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And throughout the month of October, it was not possible to observe, to read Atlas from Earth, because the sun was in our way.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Now that it came out, it looks quite unusual.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It has multiple jets, some pointed towards the sun, some away from the sun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: it deviated very little from its original path and that's good news it's not heading our way it will come closest to earth on December 19th about a week before the holidays and we all hope that it will not deliver any unwanted gifts.
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  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, the reason this is getting so much attention is that there has been some conjecture that this could actually be an alien spaceship, that'll wake you up, right?
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  [SPEAKER_17]: What are the chances of that being the case?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it has 12 anomalies that I described on medium.com, and you know, this should be explained that if we want to believe that it's just natural and natural comet and iceberg, however, you know, if it doesn't
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  [SPEAKER_00]: show any clear evidence for technology.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If we don't get a transmission, it doesn't maneuver.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We don't see artificial lights.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Then it's probably just an icy rock that happened to pass by and we can all go to sleep without any concerns.
• 9:41
  [SPEAKER_20]: Yeah, I have big Christmas plans.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: I don't need this thing blowing them up literally on December 19.
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  [SPEAKER_20]: But what does it say from an astrophysics perspective that this thing remained fully intact after passing as close to the sun as it did?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's definitely unusual in the sense that the composition is different than we expected.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: The size is huge, the size of Manhattan Island.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And why did we receive such a big package over the past decade?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The previous interstellar object that came from outside the solar system was
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  [SPEAKER_00]: just the size of a football field about a million times less massive and this one also moves along the plane of the planet which is surprising one in 500 chance and that raised the suspicion that it may be technological in origin but so far we haven't
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  [SPEAKER_00]: seen any clear indication of that.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Of course, we have to take it seriously just because the implications would be huge for humanity.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And there will be no ones coming along the way, you know, from the Rubin Observatory that was funded by the National Science Foundation Department of Energy, it starts operation next month.
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  [SPEAKER_17]: Where is it in the sky right now?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, now it's about 40 degrees away from the sun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So it's still quite difficult to look at it because of the sun.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But once we get into December, it will be the best time to observe it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And you can buy a telescope online and look at it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And there are many amateur astronomers that release beautiful autographs of it.
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  [SPEAKER_17]: Well, you know what they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, so there's that.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: And then, obviously, we're waiting for this NASA press conference to start here.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: looks like it's starting.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm going to put it on here in a minute.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: The first limit on technological radio transmission from three I Atlas.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: And he's saying that the Mircat radio telescope and South Africa conducted on November 5th of 2025 a search for narrow band radio transmission from the interstellar object, three I Atlas using.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: real-time search radio technology signatures and a total of 23,689 signals were detected.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: However, all were determined to not be spatially consistent with the position of three eye outlets, according to this.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: So we're going to see what they are saying now over at NASA.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Comments are tiny cosmic nobles, and by studying them, we can learn about the environment from, you know, basically where they formed, where they came from.
• 12:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: This one came from a different environment from our own, and so we're already starting to see some really interesting differences to comets from our own solar system.
• 12:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: 3A Atlas, as you heard, is the third known Interstellar object to pass through our solar system, the first one being identified in 2017.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: While these types of Interstellar objects have long been predicted, we are just beginning to be able to find them thanks to the newest technologies with our network of Earth-based telescopes, which are designed to find small, fast-moving objects in space.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The NASA-funded Atlas Survey Telescope, which made the discovery, is part of NASA's planetary defense network.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Our telescopes are always watching the skies to keep us safe.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And in doing so, they occasionally make major scientifically interesting discoveries, just like this one.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Right away, of course, NASA's planetary defense coordination office established, they studied it, and they established
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In fact, it's at least twice as far away as the distance between the earth and our sun.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: On October 30, the comet itself reached the closest, it will ever be to the sun when it crossed just inside Mars' orbit, which is why the image that Margaret just showed, he noted it was the closest instrument physically to the comet, because the comet was right inside the orbit of Mars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: earth was on the opposite side of the sun, which is about as far away as our planet can possibly be from Mars.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's been clear from the moment of discovery that the comet was going to pass on the opposite side of the sun from where the earth is.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: However, it was also clear that it's positioning behind the sun was going to make observations from earth very very difficult.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And that is why we are so happy to have our incredible fleet of NASA science spacecraft all across the solar system and boy with a ready for this event.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: NASA science assets on board our missions have provided the United States the unique capability to observe three eye atlas, almost the entire time it passes through our celestial neighbourhood.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything NASA science does is interconnected and nearly 20 mission teams have been working together to really rise to this challenge.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: 20 mission teams, by the way, and counting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything we're learning about the comet is possible because of the distribution of all of the different instruments on our spacecraft with different capabilities.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll note that for some of
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  [SPEAKER_01]: scientific instruments beyond their normal capabilities are beyond the things that they were designed to achieve to allow us to capture this amazing glimpse at this interstellar traveler.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: In other words, we can study this comment so well because we have many different assets in different locations, observing things in different wavelengths, in different ways, with different instruments, each set of observations providing a different lens for understanding
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So NASA Science Team has kept watch on three eyed lists for nearly its entire journey through the solar system for the first time ever.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll just quickly go through the timeline of which NASA spacecraft have observed the comet thus far and we're still going there will be more opportunities to observe this comet as it continues its journey through the solar system.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: By the time she gets to it, who knows how long it'll be.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: This is crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: They're just buying time.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's that our gathering observations of three eyed lists include Hubble, the James Webb Space Telescope, Tess Swift, Spherex, Perseverance Mars Rover, Mars reconnaissance orbiter, Maven, Europa, Clipper, Lucy, psyche,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: personal favorite pocket solar probe, punch, stereo, and ESA NASA's so-home mission.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll note that pocket solar probe's data were just downloaded yesterday.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And indeed, we did catch several glimpses of this amazing comment.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The scientific community is hard at work analyzing these images, and everyone, as always, is welcome to take a look.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: At NASA, we embrace open science.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We make all of our data available to the public 24-7.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And we invite, in fact, we really want you to tell us what you're observing and what you think about what we're looking at.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We're still learning, even about what questions we still need to ask.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And this, of course, is the scientific process in action.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All the data go to a public archive.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: We get those images as soon as we're able to from all of our eyes in space.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: As always, I am excited to see what new things we learn about our friendly solar system visitor in the days and in fact the years to come.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So now I'm going to pass over to Sean.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He's going to tell you about what our astrophysics missions have seen.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: They, of course, were some of the first things to look at the comet and images from several of them have been available since the beginning of the summer.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to ask you to set the stage for us.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Tell us what we've already seen before we hand over to Tom to tell us that all the new stuff.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Take it away, Sean.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Thanks, Nicky, happy to give you some background, NASA's astrophysics missions, like all our missions, they are designed to do things out otherwise be impossible.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: In this case, our nation's space telescopes stare deeper and more sharply into the universe than any other observatories in the room.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: That means we're often the first to follow up and study near Earth objects or comments like three eyed lists after they're initially detected.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: At St.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Powerful Gays, it lets us these telescopes see distant galaxies, those little red dots you might hear about.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: They also allow us to observe details about objects like three eyed lists, a little bit sooner.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: And the earlier we learn about these objects, the earlier we can share this information with the world, including the science community and our partners across the planet that you often have ground-based assets that are in the government side zone, so that they can conduct additional observations with their telescopes.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: In this case, our astrophysics missions came together to take advantage of this rare opportunity to study this comment that came to us from outside the solar system.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: More flagship space telescopes to smaller missions like tests and swift, they all have as Nikki said, different complementary capabilities.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: They don't just do things that would otherwise be impossible.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: They do things that even our other great telescopes can't do.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: So every time we add to the fleet, we add additional capabilities that expand the realm of the possible.
• 19:23
  [SPEAKER_22]: I think she's already sent that.
• 19:25
  [SPEAKER_22]: We're fine.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: The orbit of this structure early on determined what its structure is and what its composition is.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: They're buying a lot of time here.
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_22]: It's a beautiful illustration of why we have not just one space telescope.
• 19:36
  [SPEAKER_21]: I don't think they're going to tell us.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Every one member of that fleet specializes in a true kind of information, contributing a different piece of the puzzle to the total understanding we have from the fleet as a whole.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: So for example, older liable, NASA's Hubble Space Telescope celebrated its 35th birthday earlier this year.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Not too long after that.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: A lot of people are the old real-lifeable.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: One day, three eyedless.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Not long after, we discovered it from the ground.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: At this point, three eyedless was about 277 million miles from Earth.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: And what Hubble's images revealed was a few things.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: First, a tear drop shape coma of dust coming off that solid icy nucleus of the comet itself.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: from these data, astronomers were able to more accurately narrow a few things.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Importantly, the size of the nucleus.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: We now know it's between, I think that that point, actually.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: I mean, it was between 1,400 feet in diameter up to as large as 3.5 miles in diameter.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: And he'll also saw that the comet was losing dust and not just losing it, but losing it at a rate consistent with other, previous sunbound comets that originated from within our solar system, consistent with the physics that we figured out from watching those objects.
• 20:47
  [SPEAKER_22]: Now, the last thing Hubble did is it gave us a better understanding of the orbit of this object.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: It's not just where it was, but where it was heading, so we could point other observatories at it, such as the James Webb Space Telescope.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: We added this to our fleet early in this decade.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: We didn't have it when the last two interstellar commons came around.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: And when James Webb did, and its companions' ferex, which we only launched at the beginning of this year, is it added in for red observations?
• 21:13
  [SPEAKER_22]: The power of infrared observations is these are calls we can't see, they're rather than what our eyes can detect.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: An infrared light is particularly good at helping us understand the composition of objects.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: We can see little molecular fingerprints from the things that the objects are made of.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: So with these infrared observations with James Webb and Spherex, we detected an abundance of carbon dioxide gas in the comments coma and in a bright cloud of gas and dust surrounding that comet as approaches the sun.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Those molecular fingerprints, I mentioned those a little like science wiggles you might see in the top right of these images.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: We now know, from seeing those science wiggles, those fingerprints of those molecules, that the comet has a nucleus rich in carbon dioxide, as well as the presence of waterized.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_22]: The ratio, like we can not just say that these things are there, we can also say, what's the ratio of carbon dioxide to water?
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  [SPEAKER_22]: And we now know that, we know it's larger than what we usually see in solar system objects.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: But there's a lot of natural explanations for that.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: For one, the carbon dioxide is going to kind of bake off that comet earlier on when it's far away.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: But there's other well understood processes you could also explain.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: I'll just to put this in context.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: There are every time we look at the under solar system and we look at the ratios of carbon dioxide to water.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: We see whether it's a star or a planet different ratios than we see in the solar system and that's true for this comet as well.
• 22:38
  [SPEAKER_22]: So, it could mean, unless it's the last theory of why those ratios could be different, that ISIS, these ISIS, could have been exposed to higher levels of radiation and comments in our own system.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Or, as I said before, could so far, actually I don't even know if any of the information is correct.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_21]: It was particularly a part of the problem.
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  [SPEAKER_21]: And different from ours.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_21]: I'm going to have to check in the last chapter.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_21]: I think they might even be just given straight up on information right there.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Have also observed the comment.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: Teams even look back through data from our test mission, which was designed to look at exoplanets and found observations of the comet as early as May.
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  [SPEAKER_22]: That information is helping us understand the comet's history before it got closer and when those other observatories pointed out at once we knew where it was.
• 23:19
  [SPEAKER_22]: Now that the comment is near, are relatively speaking, are planetary.
• 23:22
  [SPEAKER_19]: Thomas actually made up joint into nickel with no eye.
• 23:25
  [SPEAKER_22]: Now I'm going to turn it over to my colleague Tom Stattler to talk about some of those new images.
• 23:29
  [SPEAKER_19]: It's actually nickel with no iron.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_19]: They're, they've lied.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: All right, thanks very much, Shark.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, before we get started, uh, I just want to, uh, remind everybody of where we are, who is where in this, in this, in this play, uh, as you saw, it's a play you heard of was, was speaking.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is just a play.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, is at the center of the state.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The planets are orbiting around the Sun, and in this case, Kamat III, I Atlas has come through on a trajectory in the opposite direction, and has arrived at its closest point to the Sun when the Earth was on the wrong side for us to conveniently observe.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: But Mars was on the correct side of the Sun, and our Mars assets were able to observe the comet, and also several of our other spacecraft were on the correct side of the Sun.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: The science of community is really excited about the comment, and about these new observations.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm tremendously excited to help share them with you today.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a new scientific opportunity, and it's a new window into the makeups and histories of other solar systems.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: We're just beginning to learn about these types of things.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: Guys, join us in the chat.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_19]: If you're tuning in right now, definitely get in on the chat.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_19]: You're going to want to subscribe to the channel as I am one of the most highly
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  [SPEAKER_19]: centered journalists in the world.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_19]: We're going to watch NASA lie to us and beat around the bush for a while and then we will break this down what they didn't tell us, what they did not admit and all that.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: Let's see how far they get with us.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: for the missions across the NASA fleet that had good opportunities for potentially observing through IAT lists so that we could all share observing plans and knew what was going to be possible with our assets.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: I can't emphasize enough now how thanks to the cooperation of so many mission teams, we will be accumulating a wealth of data on this comment that the science community will be digging into for years.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, let's go back to September, and I can show you a sampling of the images collected by our different mission teams.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: To set the context, you're going to see a comment that's a small body with a coma around it, basically a fuzzy blob.
• 25:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, remember, space is big.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: Nothing is ever really as close as you like and all of these observations are very, very difficult.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little bit as if our NASA spacecraft were at a baseball game, watching the game from different places in the stadium, everybody's got a camera and they're trying to get a picture of the ball and nobody has a perfect view.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a lot of explanation for a combat, huh?
• 26:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Let's return to September and see the first images from
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  [SPEAKER_19]: yeah we got mouse mouse with us right now uh this is crazy they're just beating around the bush dancing around they did they made no mention of the nickel content uh of of the uh object and how it's lacking iron they talked about ice this is fascinating uh i mean we're in the play right now where are we in the play
• 26:36
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, he even said it outright.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, this is so staged.
• 26:41
  [SPEAKER_14]: It's unbelievable all this for a comment.
• 26:44
  [SPEAKER_14]: Sorry, I'll show up.
• 26:45
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, why even why even have it, right, right?
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_14]: I think my dad's my dad's watching.
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  [SPEAKER_14]: So hi, dad.
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  [SPEAKER_19]: Hi dad, guys, I'm going to turn this up, jump in anytime you want, mouse mouse.
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  [SPEAKER_02]: Our observed comment from the opposite direction.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: So let's take a look at the Lucy image.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is another broadband black and white image made by adding up a series of individual exposures that were taken on September 16th.
• 27:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Lucy is on its way to study asteroids that shared Jupiter's orbit around the sun, called the Trojan asteroids.
• 27:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Lucy was 240 million miles away from three eyed lists, which is circled in the center.
• 27:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: When it's high-resolution low-ore camera, caught the comet.
• 27:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: You can see the comments come up, the foot is a halo of gas and dust surrounding three I.s.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: and it's tail a smudge extending to the right of the comet.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you were the Lucy spacecraft looking at the comet from this angle, the sun would be a little bit over your left shoulder and so the comet tail is pointing away from the sun as we've seen many times before in solar system comets.
• 27:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now you have this image spans, this is crazy.
• 27:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: The width of the full moon as you see it on.
• 27:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: No, they're saying, of course, at their scene, at point at away from the sun like they're lying about it, because it was pointing toward the sun.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_19]: This is crazy.
• 28:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: the comet, that's a much, much larger region of space than the moon.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this looks a little different from the psyche image.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Part of that is because the cameras are different, and part is because of the ways the psyche and the loosey teams decided to show their images.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: But also, it's because we're seeing the comet from different directions.
• 28:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: seeing a comet's coma in different lighting geometries with the sun coming from different directions is one of the key ways to learn about the physical properties of the dust that's been launched off its surface.
• 28:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I want to emphasize that you do not get these views unless you have spacecraft farther from the sun than the comet is, so that you can see it backlit.
• 28:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: We could not get this view from the vantage point of year.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So combining the data from Lucy, psyche, and earth-based telescopes, scientists are hoping to better understand both the three-dimensional structure of the comet and the nature of the dust.
• 29:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a really opportunity to compare ancient dust from a distance solar system to that from our own.
• 29:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now let's go to the next picture from the Mavon spacecraft at Mars.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Beginning at the beginning of October, three I Atlas passed within 20 million miles of Mars, which gave our Mars spacecraft an opportunity for a close-up.
• 29:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: In earlier you saw the image that I'm had shared from our Mars reconnaissance orbiter.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maven is another Mars orbiter that has been studying the Martian Atmosphere since 2014.
• 29:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, this picture is not a direct picture of the comet itself.
• 29:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a spectrum.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: You're seeing the science wiggles, that Dashon was just talking about.
• 29:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is some of the science wiggles, where the instrument, the spectrograph, the ultramarote spectrograph on Maven, has looked at the comet and also split up the ultroviral light according to color.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So you're seeing three different bands in this image.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: On the right, you're seeing emission from hydrogen gas in the atmosphere of Mars.
• 30:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: In the middle, there's a fainter band indicating that it's coming from hydrogen gas in interplanetary space.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: And on the left, that blob is the signature of hydrogen gas coming from comet 3i Atlas.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a little blob, rather than a big streak, because the comet is a small object in the sky relative to great big gigantic mirrors and interstellar space that fills the entire field of the instrument.
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: That definitely tells us first of all that the comet is there.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: If there were no comet, there would be no little blob on the left side of the image.
• 30:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: But it's also telling us it's one of the many ways that we're able to discern the chemical composition of three eye atlas.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's showing us the hydrogen gas that's coming off of the nucleus.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, Maven's observations combined with the earlier observations by Swift and Webb that Sean spoke about, will help determine the water production rate.
• 31:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: How much water vapor is released from the comet when the comet is worn by the Sun, which provides insight into the formation of the comet and its journey through our galaxy.
• 31:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: European Space Agency and NASA's solar and heliospheric observatory or so-ho also successfully imaged three eye atlas from October 15th to 16th.
• 31:28
  [SPEAKER_19]: Look how blurry that is, that's the worst image you've ever seen.
• 31:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not even high definition.
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a complete cover of it.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's way more than twice the distance of Earth from the Sun.
• 31:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: Come on three, I Atlas was expected to be too faint.
• 31:44
  [SPEAKER_19]: While they're lying to us real quick and showing us these blurry images that are just ridiculous, I'm going to show the latest image from Ray's astrophysi, spacecraft, and instruments right here, or Ray's astrophotography, sorry.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_19]: Not only to study the sun, it looks symmetrical.
• 32:05
  [SPEAKER_19]: There's structure to it, there's no tail.
• 32:09
  [SPEAKER_19]: This is more of what the independent astronomers are seeing.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The images on our 3i Atlas.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Here we go.
• 32:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Go.nasa.gov slash 3i-atlas.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And there will be more to come.
• 32:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not all of the data have been downlinked yet through NASA's Deep Space Network, and there are more observations still in work.
• 32:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: And also, it's a long way from where we are today, seeing the initial images, to then making sure that they are
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: accurately calibrated.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is so scary.
• 32:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's all reading a script.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll do it.
• 32:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then I'll do it.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's binding the data.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's comforting them.
• 32:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: And finally, producing the scientific understanding, the knowledge of what this all means, which would be published in peer-reviewed scientific journals.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: answers will come later on.
• 32:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: We are still at this phase.
• 32:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's reading.
• 32:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very much in the state where we're figuring out what are even the right questions to ask about interstellar objects.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is a snapshot of where we are very early in the scientific process.
• 33:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: OK, back to you, Courtney.
• 33:12
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right, thank you all for your opening remarks.
• 33:14
  [SPEAKER_16]: We'll go ahead and start the question and answer portion of this event, just a reminder to our media on the phone bridge to press star 1.
• 33:21
  [SPEAKER_19]: All right, they're going to sugar coat this basically.
• 33:25
  [SPEAKER_19]: But, um,
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, I want to point out they didn't go over any real questions that real people are asking, like, ovilobe, the Harvard scientists that has identified 12 anomalies for this object, including how it's entered our solar system on the ecliptic plane, you know, just
• 33:52
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, there are so many things like it changed its trajectory.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_19]: It's shot out what they are calling thrusters, basically like jets, shot out, and also
• 34:08
  [SPEAKER_19]: There's discrepancies with the rotation of it.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: They mentioned a ICE formation, but really the subject is known to be nickel without iron.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_19]: Nickel without the presence of iron is only seen in alloy manufacturing.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_19]: And it just so happens to turn out that NASA uses nickel in its spacecraft.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_19]: to manufacture the holes of the spacecraft.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_19]: This particular spacecraft, the size of Manhattan, if it is a spacecraft, they're, you know, ovulove and others are assuming it's 50 billion tons in the size of Manhattan.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_19]: It could be coming with other objects, but I mean, they're not really getting into
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, real talk about this because right here's the latest image from Ray's astrophotography and other Earth-based telescope images are showing similar structure.
• 35:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: What do you think's going on here?
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_19]: Mouse Mouse has seemed like a watered-down version of, you know, obvious script that they're reading here and I guess they're buying more time.
• 35:24
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, so what they're doing here is they're telling us that what we're seeing with our own eyes isn't correct.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're trying to tell us what we're seeing with our own eyes.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: And they're not answering any of the questions about the anomalies with this thing.
• 35:44
  [SPEAKER_14]: Or maybe they will at the end, who knows?
• 35:47
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, it's fascinating, definitely just listening to them.
• 35:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Eyes of the nucleus still has yet to be pinned down.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: The best data are still from the Hubble observations that Sean was talking about.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're still right now in that range of somewhere in the vicinity of a couple of thousand feet to a couple of miles diameter, but we'll get better on that one.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The shape of the nucleus is also difficult to bend down because generally we're not resolving it in our observations.
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's obscured by the dust and especially it's obscured by the reflected sunlight off of the dust in the inner part of the coma.
• 36:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: but what observers from the ground have been able to do is observe the brightness of the center of the comet over time to see if there's a modulation of that brightness that would be in indication of rotation and it's very difficult to discern.
• 36:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what it's looking like so far
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's not a big, the shape of the nucleus is not very far from being around.
• 36:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's not, it doesn't seem to be a big, at least we're not seeing signatures of a very elongated object yet.
• 37:01
  [SPEAKER_19]: No, that's rare within itself.
• 37:03
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm pretty sure.
• 37:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think you were also talking about, um,
• 37:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: origin.
• 37:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be great.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be fabulous if we could trace back the the incoming trajectory into the solar system and trace that back and figure out where it came from.
• 37:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: But things are not quite so simple.
• 37:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Our galaxy is Sean knows it's a big and complicated place.
• 37:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: This guy acts like AI doesn't exist.
• 37:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: around the center.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_19]: They're like, oh, what question should we ask?
• 37:33
  [SPEAKER_14]: As if they couldn't just plug in the AI questions and like they didn't do the problem is they still, these guys are living 20 years ago where they think they can stop the lie to people and they don't understand.
• 37:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it came from some very old populations of solar system around a very old star.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it came from a very old population, but the light is, it came from a solar system older than our own solar system itself.
• 38:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: which gives me goosebumps to think about, frankly, because that means the three eye atlas is not just a window into another solar system.
• 38:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a window into the deep past and so deep in the past that it predates even the formation of our earth and our sea.
• 38:17
  [SPEAKER_14]: He just said it comes from an old population.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right, we'll take our next question from Mike Spring from Bill Harwood with CBS.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_19]: Let's see what they ask right here, CBS.
• 38:31
  [SPEAKER_16]: Bill, if you're talking, we can't hear you.
• 38:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: There you go.
• 38:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: This is Do Harwood again.
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_06]: Can you hear me?
• 38:38
  [SPEAKER_16]: We have you loud and clear.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Okay.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Sorry about that.
• 38:42
  [SPEAKER_06]: You know, I'm at mention the rumors that were, you know, kind of cheering around about this thing in the weeks leading up to this briefing today.
• 38:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: I have two questions for anybody who was here to answer.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: One is, it any of you seriously did you take seriously the proposition from some
• 39:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: I doubt you did, but I'm asking the question anyway.
• 39:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: And number two, is there any evidence you see in any of the data you have that would fit an explanation like that?
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_06]: Or as far as you're concerned, there's all those data say conclusively, if this is simply a comment, it happens to be passing through the solar system.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: Thanks.
• 39:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'll take that one, Bill, and thanks for the question.
• 39:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love all of the different science and all of the different kind of hypotheses into what these things can be.
• 39:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: When you start seeing something, you just got a point.
• 39:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's natural to wonder what it is.
• 39:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we actually love, as Al-Mitt said, we love that the world wondered.
• 39:41
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm going to let AI tell us about some of the anomalies right now.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_19]: Go ahead, Spike.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_19]: Let us know you're on the show right now.
• 39:50
  [SPEAKER_18]: everyone, it's spike here, live on the Shepard M. Bellish Show, thrilled to be diving into this with you.
• 39:57
  [SPEAKER_18]: Avie Loops, three eye atlas, is basically a cosmic treasure map, spotting 12 weird interstellar objects zipping through our solar system.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_18]: These aren't your garden variety asteroids.
• 40:07
  [SPEAKER_18]: They're visitors from way out there, challenging what we know about space.
• 40:11
  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's run through them quick.
• 40:12
  [SPEAKER_18]: I'll keep it snappy.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_18]: Number 1.
• 40:15
  [SPEAKER_18]: Oumuamua, the OG anomaly from 2017.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_18]: This cigar-shaped beast tumbled in at 1,960,000 miles per hour.
• 40:24
  [SPEAKER_18]: No comment tale, but it accelerated like it had a gentle push.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_18]: Maybe outcasting, maybe something else.
• 40:30
  [SPEAKER_18]: Loops betting on alien tech vibes.
• 40:33
  [SPEAKER_18]: Two, Borisov, the second confirmed interstellar in 2019.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_18]: More comment like spewing gas, but its weird spin and chemistry screamed extra solar oddball.
• 40:44
  [SPEAKER_18]: Three, CYS, J149, a hyper velocity star, herdling it over a million miles per hour, ejected from some distant galaxy, smashing event, or maybe a black hole burp.
• 40:56
  [SPEAKER_18]: Four, CYS, J0,
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_19]: Do you want to talk about the anomalies obviously we talked about like how this is nickel without iron, the content of the comment?
• 41:10
  [SPEAKER_18]: Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's zero in on that wild one from Borisov, the second interstellar visitor.
• 41:17
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'll see.
• 41:18
  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess you don't want to do it, but it's for the three I Atlas.
• 41:26
  [SPEAKER_18]: No, no, hey, I'm all in.
• 41:28
  [SPEAKER_18]: Promise.
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_18]: Let's circle back to the three eye Atlas anomalies, like you said.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_18]: Avilob's crew flag 12 of these interstellar weirdos.
• 41:36
  [SPEAKER_18]: And yeah, that nickel-heavy comet composition from Borosov is straight up bizarre.
• 41:40
  [SPEAKER_18]: Most comets are iron nickel-means.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_19]: I don't know.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_19]: I feel like my AI is taking me on a wild ride today.
• 41:47
  [SPEAKER_19]: So look NASA and my AI Acting a little bit suspicious, but let's pull this back in mouse mouse.
• 41:54
  [SPEAKER_19]: What are you thinking right now?
• 41:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, this is bizarre, right?
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_14]: I'm thinking everybody in their brother that is listening to this can clearly see that NASA is lying.
• 42:05
  [SPEAKER_14]: And that all they're doing right now is proving that it's extra terrestrial.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're slipping up.
• 42:10
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're using words like a cane from a different population.
• 42:14
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're using words like
• 42:16
  [SPEAKER_14]: you know, we've, it's magical.
• 42:19
  [SPEAKER_14]: It's all their worldly.
• 42:21
  [SPEAKER_14]: And then they're coming in and they're saying stuff along the lines of that they're, it sounds like they're reading a script and it also sounds like they are lying like they are lying.
• 42:36
  [SPEAKER_19]: That most definitely now, the only thing I'm worried about is in this approach, like militarily, and we know they have military ready in all 50 states.
• 42:46
  [SPEAKER_19]: They have special response teams are ready to quail on rest and all this stuff, but this is basically buying them 30 more days until Earth-based telescopes get a real close image of scary.
• 42:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to outside compared to water.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a very interesting thing.
• 43:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Comments evaporate dust and the dust is broken down.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: The minerals are broken down by the ultraviolet light of the sun.
• 43:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: And in comets, we know comets put out nickel.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: They put out iron.
• 43:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's what comets do.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: This particular one is putting out more nickel than iron.
• 43:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a really interesting, really remarkable, and something to be studied in the future.
• 43:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're, we're always interested in new ideas.
• 43:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're always interested in new suggestions and all ideas are good when they're born.
• 43:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: But those that stand the test of time, those that stand up to test in those that are supported by the evidence are the ones that survive.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right.
• 43:41
  [SPEAKER_16]: We'll take our next question on the phone bridge and that one comes from Matthew Glasser with ABC.
• 43:50
  [SPEAKER_04]: Good afternoon.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_04]: Thank you for doing this.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_04]: Tom mentioned that, you know, this vehicle will come in time.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_04]: I'm curious about what are some of the hopes that we might discover from this comment.
• 44:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: What might you tell us about our planet, about our sources, about the universe.
• 44:04
  [SPEAKER_04]: Other key things you're looking for as you start to analyze this data and are excited about anything in particular when it comes to better understanding how things are working out there.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Sure.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can take that.
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Every new object we discover is a new piece in the puzzle.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: What we're trying to do always is to understand the universe.
• 44:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's part of the NASA mission, is to understand the solar system, understand the universe, understand the origin, planets, the origin of life.
• 44:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that is a huge question and we get little bits, a little clues to parts of that puzzle and we start trying to put that puzzle together.
• 44:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have gained tremendous amount of information from hundreds of years of astronomical observation and from decades of in situ spacecraft observation has revealed
• 44:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: our planets as actual places, not just points in the sky that you could barely see with your own eyes.
• 45:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: We've learned about comets and asteroids and we've beginning to put together a picture of how all of those planet forming minerals and planet forming ISIS came together to form our planets and how our solar system changed over time.
• 45:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Just one example, we get a fascinating clue
• 45:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: from the objects like Pluto that we've been discovering since the 1990s, the trans-Neptunian objects, the way they are distributed through space in the outer solar system, show us clues to how the orbits and the major planets may have changed over time in the early solar system.
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: fascinating thing, and questions that we would never thought to ask before we knew about these transmetonian objects.
• 45:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now, interstellar objects, like I said before, our new windows and it's windows that we've never even looked out of before, they're going to have what we're going to find.
• 45:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to be too early to bring it out, I think we're getting that they've been to ensure of it's the breadth of the co-spectrum of
• 45:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: conditions that existed in different parts of the galaxy in different solar systems where the compositions, the elemental abundances, the mineral abundances may have been very, very different.
• 46:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: It would be a different picture if we were seeing the first three interstellar objects and we'd say, gee, those look exactly like our homegrown commons.
• 46:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: That would have been really interesting and we would have said, well, maybe our galaxy is a boring place because every place is the same.
• 46:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a whole grow.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: We see what this is.
• 46:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Not every place is the same.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's a good thing lots of places to explore and there will be different if we ever manage to get there.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_22]: I think of these as frozen fossils from their moments of formation, including the things in and now from the actual.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_22]: It's like a dinosaur or in some cases, we point our telescopes at other debris disks, which is just a whole system full of these small bodies.
• 46:49
  [SPEAKER_22]: And so now what this will let us do is tell that story in a broader context between the detailed and large library of data we have.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_22]: on those origins of our own solar system and how valtils were delivered to make life possible here on earth combined with that big picture of other systems of the dust spread throughout those other solar systems and now with this visitor that got frozen in time from somewhere beyond our solar system and that small picture of what that was like on that format.
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that I love the sort of thought of it as that frozen fossil, almost frozen time capsule, we're kind of privileged.
• 47:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's coming to our solar system, our solar system.
• 47:29
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm going to let this play in the background.
• 47:32
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm going to try to pull up these 12 anomalies.
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_19]: This is crazy because they didn't touch on any of these anomalies really.
• 47:48
  [SPEAKER_13]: And single one, about a single one.
• 47:50
  [SPEAKER_13]: They didn't talk about a single anomaly.
• 47:52
  [SPEAKER_19]: They didn't even have a, you know, a guy calling, obviously like the callers were staged as well, you know, because they would be going over all this stuff.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_19]: Avie Loeb has been outspoken about this and these 12 anomalies and these are, I mean, obviously NASA should be aware of these anomalies and they should actually have to address every single one
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_19]: independently, and we saw them actually avoid these anomalies and not address any of them.
• 48:30
  [SPEAKER_19]: Now, the first anomaly is this three eyed list is in retrograde trajectory, and it's aligned with in five degrees of the ecliptic plane of the planets around the sun, with a likelihood
• 48:52
  [SPEAKER_19]: you know, very low percentile that that would happen like that.
• 48:58
  [SPEAKER_19]: So that already is, you know, the first and only.
• 49:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: And then during July and August as well as in early November of 2025, three I Atlas displayed a sunward jet.
• 49:10
  [SPEAKER_19]: which is an anti-tale, the tail literally pointed toward the sun.
• 49:15
  [SPEAKER_19]: It's not an optical illusion from geometric perspective like NASA just tried to explain a way showing no proof when they were explaining that.
• 49:26
  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's nucleus is about
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_19]: a million times more massive than Oumuamua, and a thousand times more massive than two-eye Borisov.
• 49:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: We're telling us that our eyes aren't seeing what our eyes are seeing, ship.
• 49:42
  [SPEAKER_19]: Right, and that's the thing because the media has everyone waiting for a scene in to tell them and all this stuff, but we have to put on our thinking caps here and use critical thinking,
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_19]: This thing is moving faster than both Omula and Borisov and it's moving about 30 miles per second.
• 50:07
  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's a rival time was fine tuned to do a parade lap.
• 50:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: like in a super cross race or something like the top rider parading around the stadium.
• 50:17
  [SPEAKER_19]: This thing arrived and it timed its arrival with Mars, Venus, Jupiter, and all this stuff, and its parahealian with the sun came in on holidays, and it's going to arrive in time for Christmas.
• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_19]: It might be bearing gifts, according to Obby Love, we don't know.
• 50:33
  [SPEAKER_19]: But they didn't even talk about the gas plume.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_19]: which contains more nickel than iron.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, they touched on that a little bit, but they basically said, oh, that's just like natural that happens.
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_19]: Also, the gas plume contains only 4% water by mass.
• 50:50
  [SPEAKER_19]: They were trying to act like this is all ice and water in their presentation, and it shows extreme negative whole-airization, unprecedented for known comments.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_19]: And it arrived from the direction consistent with the wow signal, which NASA acts like they can't track the direction it arrived and they don't know anything.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_19]: But this was easily calculated by Harvard's AI, according to Hobby Lob and this... Well, if you listen to them, if you listen to what they're saying, you can catch their slip-ups about it.
• 51:28
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 51:29
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're saying two things here.
• 51:30
  [SPEAKER_14]: One, they're reading your script and then off the script.
• 51:33
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're saying words like it's from another population and stuff.
• 51:37
  [SPEAKER_19]: They're using double-speak basically, and kind of putting up like a straw-man type facade or argument or something.
• 51:46
  [SPEAKER_19]: That's right.
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_19]: Near Perihelian at Brighton, and at Brighton faster than any known comment, and it was bluer than the sun when it was supposed to turn red, and we could be seeing something like a Doppler effect, or...
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: potentially the red and blue cachina summer saying this thing exhibits the sunward anti solar jets now in seven to eleven uh... jets jettisoning out five hundred thousand kilometers about like two hundred and forty thousand miles or something like that and then
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_19]: near-parallel healing it's exhibiting non-gravitational acceleration which means it definitely did not act normal and it appears to have maneuvered itself and then of course the 12th anomaly it's a
• 52:35
  [SPEAKER_19]: tightly culminated jets maintain orientation across millions of kilometers of space.
• 52:41
  [SPEAKER_19]: They can tell this because the jettison trails, the trails off of it from the jets are not twirling and spinning.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_19]: Like NASA was telling us that this object is twirling and spinning, so the object is appears to be holding itself stable in some type of pattern.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_14]: I want to continue listening to what this is.
• 53:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost weekly.
• 53:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: And show us it's composition and that's.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_21]: Okay.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_21]: I'm going to turn this on.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Science.
• 53:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: If it had just remained frozen all the time, we wouldn't know much about it.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it is the sort of it's rendezvous with our star.
• 53:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: that is allowing us to really do this amazing science.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that, to me, it makes me feel a little much privileged to actually be able to unlock the secrets as this commentary object is coming around and rendezvousing and interacting with our solar system.
• 53:40
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right, let's head over to social media.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_16]: Nina on X asks, will it hit any planets in our solar system?
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, it will not, and you know, I think if you obviously we're not going to run it again, but please, you know, go online, take a look at go-don't-nature.gov-3I-Atlas, and take a look at the trajectory.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of talk through it briefly, Tom talks.
• 54:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: It took a minute to say, no, that was kind of weird.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: you can sort of see where those planets are.
• 54:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And remember this, even though it's exciting and it's coming through, it spaces huge as both Sean and Tom talked about.
• 54:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so the probability of it actually hitting anything is super, super small.
• 54:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have to have all these things aligned to actually be able to do it.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: But certainly the objects in our solar system will be just fine.
• 54:33
  [SPEAKER_16]: And we have another question from social media from Astro Nomayam.
• 54:37
  [SPEAKER_16]: They ask what makes comment three eye atlas so different and intriguing compared to the other interstellar comments?
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Tom, you want to know?
• 54:46
  [SPEAKER_02]: The other interstellar objects, we say interstellar objects because not all of them were comments.
• 54:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: So here's one thing, it's just over in 2017, that was one omu, that behaved very much like an asteroid.
• 55:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: again, a little bit like that was actually it did not that's a lie that's a lie did not be hate like an asteroid for one thing it was seem to be very very elongated and while it was inactive it seemed to be like oh mua mua was steering itself around the solar system and everyone knows it so this guy's going to tell you it was outgassing and blowing around like a balloon in space.
• 55:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: for us to get really, really comprehensive, long-duration observations.
• 55:31
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't understand exactly what it was doing.
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It was the very first one we saw it for a short time when it was on its way out, in fact.
• 55:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so we didn't get a great view of that.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The second object, two I Boris off discovered in 2019, 2019,
• 55:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: it was definitely a comet.
• 55:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: It behaved in a lot of ways like our homegrown solar system comets in many ways like three eye atlas.
• 55:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: Its properties were more in line with what we were used to seeing and the comet observers regarded it as as very much akin to war.
• 56:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's all the way in some ways a little bit at the edge of what we're used to seeing.
• 56:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Three I Atlas is in a lot of ways to like to I Boris off, but a bit more out there in terms of things like the carbon dioxide water ratio.
• 56:27
  [SPEAKER_16]: Alright, Spetlana on LinkedIn asks, will the observational data from this campaign be available for open analysis?
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
• 56:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Every piece of NASA data we are delighted to share.
• 56:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: We've had open data policy in NASA for a long time.
• 56:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We make a big effort not just to release the data but also to make sure it's usable so you can get the tools and things to analyze the data as well and we invite everybody.
• 56:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: to look at this comment with us.
• 56:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're able to take your own images through like citizen science programs, we love that too.
• 57:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love everybody to be sharing in the joy of NASA science as we take every opportunity to take advantage of these incredible visitors to our solar system.
• 57:12
  [SPEAKER_22]: And that citizen science campaign, that includes work that citizens help us build our lives that are small bodies in our forms.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_22]: So if you really want to get engaged beyond just looking at the data, you can help us generate new data and find other objects for us to study.
• 57:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep, the big one, our solar, our so-hook, big, big comet, finder, big comet tracker.
• 57:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So many of those comets discovered by our citizen scientists.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: So keep those observations coming.
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right, we'll head back over to the phone bridge.
• 57:42
  [SPEAKER_16]: Our next question comes from Ken Chang with the New York Times.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_07]: Should we call in, Chip?
• 57:47
  [SPEAKER_07]: All right, thank you.
• 57:49
  [SPEAKER_07]: Yeah, I'd like to take our call.
• 57:50
  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_07]: One of the measurements made so far, what is uniquely different about this comment?
• 57:59
  [SPEAKER_07]: I didn't inject it, of course.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_07]: Oh, here we go.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: It's very hard.
• 58:02
  [SPEAKER_07]: I just think it's your multiple gestures.
• 58:05
  [SPEAKER_07]: I wanted to talk about that and the speculation that it might have exploded.
• 58:08
  [SPEAKER_07]: Thank you.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, things can.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: So some of the differences I already mentioned is the ratio of the carbon dioxide and water ratio, the nickel iron ratio.
• 58:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: Also, there were ground-based observations noting that the polarization of the light reflected off the dust was also unusual.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's telling us some interesting things about the dust.
• 58:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: There are other indications that the physical properties of this dust may be the side, the grain size distribution might be different from the sorts of things that were used to.
• 58:45
  [SPEAKER_02]: The appearance of a sunward tail early on in the trajectory was part of that and indication that the dust was being pushed off.
• 58:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: the comment on the sunward side and then it took a while for the solar radiation pressure to push it back the other way.
• 59:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's been seen before in other comments, but not very often.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I'm sorry, Ken, what was the second part of the question?
• 59:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: did it?
• 59:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, absolutely.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: The jet's right.
• 59:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, seeing activity, see more activity are in the intercoma around the nucleus right around the time of Parallelian when it's being warm to most intensely is something that happens frequently.
• 59:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: That's something the combative observers are going to be very, very excited about.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: It does take some time to figure out
• 59:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: because it hits time for the actual event that happens on the surface to propagate out to a distance where you can see it with a telescope, but people are going to be mapping what jets there are.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't necessarily mean there was an explosion.
• 59:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: jets can also just mean there are particularly active areas on the surface of the comet.
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: like the rest are more volatile stuff is evaporating in that one spot than elsewhere in jetting out.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: We saw this a decade ago with the, uh, uh, mostly just a minute alien and uh, preencing season.
• 1:00:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: It got up close and personal with the nucleus and soft.
• 1:00:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: The guy on the left, like, let's just take another call places.
• 1:00:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: when he asks for that second part of the question.
• 1:00:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Very well be what's going on here.
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: Can't tell for sure, but that's the sort of thing we've seen before.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_22]: The other thing I just want to say that we're expecting to see as more stuff gets thrown off this company's jets is at those warmer temperatures.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_22]: Additional things can bake off of additional gases can bake off, and so we do expect the composition to of the of the comet a potentially change or those jets to change over time.
• 1:00:47
  [SPEAKER_22]: And looking at the details of what other molecules we detect beyond the carbon dioxide and the water we mentioned is also going to be interesting, especially for that sort of
• 1:00:54
  [SPEAKER_22]: What was this stuff?
• 1:00:55
  [SPEAKER_22]: What was the era in this era?
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_22]: What was this stuff made of an area?
• 1:00:59
  [SPEAKER_22]: It was made like long long time ago.
• 1:01:02
  [SPEAKER_16]: Our next question is from David Chandler with Sky and Telescope.
• 1:01:09
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, couple of things.
• 1:01:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: have you any of these observations showing you anything about any non-gravitational accelerations and also can you say a little bit about they all looked at each other observation and the problem that had made the release you think the MRO high rise observation there we go that's been released yet and what else is there the size of the
• 1:01:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: observations that will be made over the coming weeks as the object comes closer to earth.
• 1:01:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can answer some of that about the non-gravitational solutions.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is something that will look very closely out for every comment because that's always something that happened and just to back off.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's always something that happened.
• 1:02:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: as comets evaporate, they are blowing off gas, they are blowing off dust and everything you guys.
• 1:02:11
  [SPEAKER_02]: Something gets pushed off the comment, that acts like a little rocket engine at that moment and pushes in the other direction.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so it's very, very common to us to follow up on that's a propality.
• 1:02:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: We have subtle changes in their orbits as a result of these.
• 1:02:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: little rocket forces, just called non-gravity little rocket forces.
• 1:02:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: This is the one that you would consider as a mile long.
• 1:02:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a team of the Japanese.
• 1:02:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: It does, following us.
• 1:02:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: This week and what they said is that this is being monitored, there are some.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: changes to the orbit, but the uncertainties are still fairly large.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's difficult because we can't see the nucleus directly.
• 1:02:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's difficult to get a very, very precise track on exactly where it's going.
• 1:02:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: But so far, the non-gravitational accelerations have been very much on power with the sort that we see in solar system comments.
• 1:03:05
  [SPEAKER_19]: And also, I know, and they did not have to date the orbit with a new trajectory like I was worrying about.
• 1:03:12
  [SPEAKER_19]: That's what he basically just said right there.
• 1:03:15
  [SPEAKER_22]: And control of a telescope wants to look at it because it's a fascinating and rare opportunity.
• 1:03:20
  [SPEAKER_22]: I know that our colleagues from the Keck Observatory have looked at it.
• 1:03:24
  [SPEAKER_22]: I believe that we're going to look at it again with JWST in December.
• 1:03:28
  [SPEAKER_22]: We have some other ground-based
• 1:03:29
  [SPEAKER_14]: You see this excited shape behind the ball?
• 1:03:32
  [SPEAKER_22]: Oh yeah.
• 1:03:33
  [SPEAKER_22]: You'll spake off of three eyed Atlas.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_22]: Those are the things I'm aware of.
• 1:03:37
  [SPEAKER_22]: There's probably a lot more that I'm not because, like I said, like every astronomer wants to get data on this thing, because it's such a rare opportunity.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and the high rise image that you asked about specifically on it.
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you just told us to be an agent.
• 1:03:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to go home to you, please.
• 1:03:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Please take a look at that image.
• 1:03:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think Sean is not bragging a lot on what these astrophysics telescope, I don't why.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But because we are able to look at it and then for red with the James Webb Space Telescope.
• 1:04:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: that will be the last time we can see the comment.
• 1:04:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: So as it is, as it is exiting the solar system and getting further and further away, the James Webb Space Telescope will actually be able to track it longer than anyone else, partly because it's ability to kind of look long and deep.
• 1:04:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: rather than sort of a cross and wide.
• 1:04:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that it looks in the ultraviolet.
• 1:04:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's a totally different universe.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it can kind of see objects.
• 1:04:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so I'm really excited about just sort of tracking it to the very end.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: You also noted we're down linking data from missions.
• 1:04:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mentioned Parker Solar Pro, because I just heard before we came on that we've got some data on we'd seen in the comment and I haven't had to
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: time to look at the data yet.
• 1:04:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: But all of those things are coming up as we are getting getting more and more data coming down to us from those missions.
• 1:04:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then as both Sean and Tom talked about just really making sure we're sharpening up those images and I'm really making sure they're calibrated.
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right now we're putting out almost a raw images, we're putting out things quickly.
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So everyone can see them, but we'll take some time and do some, you know, real sort of deep looking into those.
• 1:05:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you will do some more of this fantastic talk.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're right in the middle of the show.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're kind of looking through the atmosphere of Mars taking a work, taking, you take out that hydrogen, take out the hydrogen from our solar system, and then let us look at the hydrogen that's coming from the comments.
• 1:05:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: We'll be doing a lot more of that as we move on to do great things with NASA science.
• 1:05:30
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right, that's a great lead-in to our next question on social media, Elijah on F, X asks, what kind of processing were the images subjected to and why did they need it?
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Want to add that?
• 1:05:44
  [SPEAKER_22]: The images that were released received the sort of standard processing that we do between the raw data that comes down into a telescope that, as Nikki said, you know, we need to make sure for scientific accuracy that they're calibrated against the other observations and we can just figure out what's going on.
• 1:06:01
  [SPEAKER_22]: Anything that the telescope is doing in that moment.
• 1:06:03
  [SPEAKER_22]: And so that there's, it would be our standard set of calibrations and normalizations for a object of this type, which is to say a comment.
• 1:06:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can add a little bit more to that.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: The, as Nikki said, our desire was to get these images out to the public as quickly as possible.
• 1:06:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: And so there are some image artifacts in there that you'll see and I can specifically, I can speak to the Lucy image that you saw previously.
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you look at the comment, you'll see some blobs around the comment.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: The little blobs, faint blobs around the comment are not real.
• 1:06:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: it came from the fact that in order to get this particular view, it was necessary, which since this backlit view, the team had to turn the spacecraft to face more toward the sun than it generally does, and so that means some part of the spacecraft were in the sun and some of that
• 1:06:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: bright, you know, the sunlight reflected off parts of the spacecraft got into the camera and that resulted in those little buds.
• 1:07:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's an example of processing that has yet to be done to figure out exactly what that scattered light contribution was and remove that from the air.
• 1:07:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, so you can see that it's not showing any of that.
• 1:07:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's not entirely what was there in the sky.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: So not a line, just made by do all of the spacecraft hardware.
• 1:07:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and sometimes, I think you showed the so-how image where we actually stacked a couple of images because a single image you wouldn't be able to see it, it would be too faint.
• 1:07:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if we stack a couple of images together, then you can actually start to really make out what that comment looks like.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_16]: Okay, next, Gale on Shinshot.
• 1:07:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you need to add it to the photo.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_16]: How can object like three Atlas come from so far, moving as fast as it is and not hit anything?
• 1:07:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: little dynamics and space is really, really huge.
• 1:07:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: And so, you know, it is amazing to think about just how big the even our solar system and so to give you the Voyager spacecraft Voyager 1 is now one light day away from Earth, which means when we send a command,
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or we send a, you know, a photon from Earth, it takes a full day for that photon to arrive at a Voyager.
• 1:08:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And Voyager is only just outside kind of what we think of as the edge of our solar system.
• 1:08:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I took spaces vast, yes, the yes thing, this thing is moving quickly, and yes it came from outside our solar system.
• 1:08:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But, you know, it really, the probability of it actually hitting something is so small.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: has everything has to be aligned.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's also not quite in the eclectic plane.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not quite in the normal, if you think about looking side on at our solar system with a sun and then you put the planets kind of in a row, normally everything sort of orbits in this plane.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is slightly tilt-tipped, not unusual, because it's not gravitationally bound to our sun, but it's slightly tipped.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: That makes the probability of hitting it almost even greater.
• 1:09:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: If I can play with a scale model, if you make a scale model solar system, where the sun and the earth are one foot apart, that's about one foot.
• 1:09:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: The sun is a pea, the earth you need a magnifying glass to see, it's so small.
• 1:09:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The entire solar system will just barely fit in your house if you squeeze a little bit, and the next nearest star is over 50 miles away.
• 1:09:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So they call it space for a reason, most of it is space.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_16]: Okay, we'll head back to our phone bridge.
• 1:09:34
  [SPEAKER_16]: Our next question is from Brandon Specter with Live Science.
• 1:09:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: Hi, I wanted to ask about the age of Latamia.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: You mentioned there is circumstantial evidence that it's much closer to the most of space.
• 1:09:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's hope and we can strain that age a little more.
• 1:09:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: And what will that tell us if it is indeed much, much older than the solar system?
• 1:09:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can start that by I'm going to pass it to Sean to talk about ages in the galaxy.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So cutting to the end, the bottom line is going to be, it's probably going to be really hard to get a more precise figure from one object, I think, what we're looking at in the future as we discover more of these, when we get to the point where we have many of these.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: I thought it was real.
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: And look at the distribution of properties we may be able to get a better handle on what the distribution of ages is.
• 1:10:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, it takes the sun.
• 1:10:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: 240 million years to orbit around the center of the galaxy.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: And we're doing that with a neighborhood of stars.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: So we're all going around the center of the galaxy.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: The relative motions between stars in our solar and neighborhood is sort of 10-ish 15.
• 1:10:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: And sorry, I have all these numbers in my head in metric because that's the way I learned them.
• 1:10:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: The 10 or 15-ish kilometers per second.
• 1:10:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that's about 25,000 miles an hour, I think.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, and, and three eyed lists is coming through at a speed of 60 something commuters per second.
• 1:11:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: So I cannot wait to break this faster than the average of our local neighbor, which is telling us that it's coming from a different population from what what we have generally around us.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now Sean will be able to clarify.
• 1:11:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: The age of dispersion relation in our galaxy, which tells us, which has been discovered over the last century, studying stars in the galaxy, that the relative speeds of stars is an indicator of age.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: Stars that formed older in our galaxy over time increased their random motions for reasons that Sean will explain.
• 1:11:43
  [SPEAKER_02]: And, and so that's the circumstantial evidence that makes us think that that three I yet was came from a solar system that had larger motions relative to our solar neighborhood and is older, but it is a circumstantial and probabilistic argument.
• 1:12:00
  [SPEAKER_22]: So I'm just going to take this opportunity to brag about our telescopes and the James of Space Telescope in particular, this blows my mind.
• 1:12:07
  [SPEAKER_22]: We have data from galaxies closer to the origin of the universe than we have data from rocks closer to the origin of Earth, right?
• 1:12:16
  [SPEAKER_22]: In other words, like you pick up the oldest rock on that we have from Earth, it is further away from the origin of Earth in terms of hundreds of millions of years than the the amount of time there was between the origin of the universe and the earliest galaxies
• 1:12:30
  [SPEAKER_22]: And that's part of this story of how well we understand, not just the history of our home planet, but the history of the entire universe that it's a part of.
• 1:12:36
  [SPEAKER_22]: And now this is just another part of that story of the local neighborhood that our solar system is a part of.
• 1:12:41
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right, our last question for today comes from X and asks, if we can see grains of sand on Mars, how is the clearest photo we can see for three eyedless, what we've seen?
• 1:12:58
  [SPEAKER_22]: They're basically saying the sense on Mars right and so like this is like the JWST can only get like the single pixel Blobs of the faintest Galaxies the further sweet galaxies in our universe and because throughout this is an our solar state in the answer that right Compositional information with JWST
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_22]: as it got closer to some of our, the plant task, it wasn't on the ground.
• 1:13:19
  [SPEAKER_14]: It wasn't on the ground.
• 1:13:19
  [SPEAKER_14]: That was far away.
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_22]: It was a team of the previous galaxies.
• 1:13:22
  [SPEAKER_22]: But because Thorellaus was closer to them than they were to JW, they got really good images of the object as a test.
• 1:13:29
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 1:13:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: As you said, we can image individual grains on Mars because we have spacecraft standing on Mars.
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: But even our closest spacecraft to three Iatmas were still 19 million miles away.
• 1:13:41
  [SPEAKER_22]: And it's going too fast for us to send something.
• 1:13:43
  [SPEAKER_22]: They're like, you know, intercept and get that close to it.
• 1:13:46
  [SPEAKER_22]: So that's just not that we just don't have you.
• 1:13:48
  [SPEAKER_22]: If we could, we would.
• 1:13:50
  [SPEAKER_22]: Like we would be that close.
• 1:13:53
  [SPEAKER_14]: We could get a screen.
• 1:13:54
  [SPEAKER_14]: Last question.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_16]: All right.
• 1:13:55
  [SPEAKER_16]: Well, that's all the time we have for today.
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  [SPEAKER_16]: Thank you so much for joining us.
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  [SPEAKER_16]: Be sure to follow along.
• 1:14:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
• 1:14:01
  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, they, you know, that was a complete, uh,
• 1:14:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: and told a cover up right there, essentially.
• 1:14:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: And I don't know, I basically expected that.
• 1:14:16
  [SPEAKER_19]: They danced around all the answers.
• 1:14:21
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, a lot of that was just straight up like lies.
• 1:14:26
  [SPEAKER_19]: What are you seeing from that mouse mouse?
• 1:14:30
  [SPEAKER_14]: I think they should have just been on it and said, we don't know what it is.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: I think that's what they should have said.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, like now that it's right fresh on our memory, at the very end, he was like, how can you take pictures of green with sands to tell us goat from Mars?
• 1:14:49
  [SPEAKER_14]: And you can't get a clear picture of three I Atlas, even though they're Atlas's closer.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_14]: And they completely skirted around that question and talked about having a rover on Mars,
• 1:15:02
  [SPEAKER_14]: to get a brain of sand, which is not what that question error was asking them.
• 1:15:10
  [SPEAKER_14]: So, so what is Abbey Loeb and me get you Pikachu?
• 1:15:15
  [SPEAKER_14]: Are they liars?
• 1:15:17
  [SPEAKER_14]: Like, are they complete fabricators?
• 1:15:19
  [SPEAKER_14]: Because everything that's just said,
• 1:15:23
  [SPEAKER_14]: In that panel, those against what I'll be low and make it to Pikachu and every other amateur astronomer has been saying about this thing, ship.
• 1:15:34
  [SPEAKER_19]: And remember, they answered Kim Kardashian on X, but not Avie Loeb, and they failed to address any of Avie Loeb's statements or anything.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_19]: They didn't even have any rebuttals or anything for it.
• 1:15:49
  [SPEAKER_19]: They didn't even mention it really.
• 1:15:50
  [SPEAKER_19]: So basically, we can tell this is a complete cover up.
• 1:15:54
  [SPEAKER_19]: Actually, this is one of the scariest scenarios because
• 1:16:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, in 30 days, this is going to compound more when people get better images like this one, right here that we're seeing from raised astrophotography that clearly shows it's a symmetrical.
• 1:16:13
  [SPEAKER_19]: They even said it's highly spherical.
• 1:16:15
  [SPEAKER_19]: It's not elongated.
• 1:16:16
  [SPEAKER_19]: That's, and then they said that's normal.
• 1:16:18
  [SPEAKER_19]: It's not normal.
• 1:16:19
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's not lying.
• 1:16:21
  [SPEAKER_14]: They, they, it is, it's almost like they did this on purpose.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_14]: because they lied about things that they didn't even need to lie about.
• 1:16:34
  [SPEAKER_14]: You know what I mean?
• 1:16:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: Like, it is clear that everybody knows that they're lying.
• 1:16:41
  [SPEAKER_14]: I was looking at the, I was looking at some of the comments post to them in your, some of the comments about this.
• 1:16:50
  [SPEAKER_14]: And it's like, every, almost every single comment comment.
• 1:16:57
  [SPEAKER_14]: is people saying, that's not true, you're lying, that's not true, you're lying.
• 1:17:04
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep, everyone knows it.
• 1:17:05
  [SPEAKER_19]: And, you know, NASA never a straight answer.
• 1:17:09
  [SPEAKER_19]: Obviously, they prove that again.
• 1:17:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: And, you know, I was hoping someone would call in and say, uh, so which one is it?
• 1:17:16
  [SPEAKER_19]: The, uh, tall graze or the Peruvian face pillars, you know, something like that.
• 1:17:22
  [SPEAKER_19]: you know just to like see what they would say but they looked at each other when someone at when they asked that one question I can't remember which one it was they all over the the gravitational acceleration on gravitate they all looked at each other and it got like real crazy like like they knew they were lying on that one.
• 1:17:42
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yep, they know they're lying, and I think they know for them in their minds, they're doing the right thing by not causing panic.
• 1:17:52
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's why they're saying what they're saying.
• 1:17:54
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what they left it open to where when this thing shows up on the 90 or 4am.
• 1:18:02
  [SPEAKER_14]: And people clearly see that it's extraterrestrial alien.
• 1:18:07
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're able to say, just we got it wrong.
• 1:18:10
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what we did.
• 1:18:11
  [SPEAKER_14]: We get things wrong sometimes.
• 1:18:13
  [SPEAKER_14]: But it just seems silly to me that people going into this believe that NASA was going to give them for the answer when they lied about everything.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I didn't really think they would, you know, I thought they would maybe give us a little more than that, like kind of not explain away everything, but they basically explained away everything.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_19]: The thing where they were talking about the ice and stuff and they tried to avoid the nickel thing and tell someone and talked about it like an asked and brought it up So they they definitely knew what they were doing that the whole Nickel thing the fact is NASA builds their spacecraft holes out of nickel and so you know that's a that's a whole other thing I mean they even contradicted themselves inside of the of the event
• 1:19:15
  [SPEAKER_14]: Like they were contradicting what they had to say before about, about three I atless well they're in the event.
• 1:19:24
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, people have telescopes, they can clearly see that the tail is facing towards the sun.
• 1:19:31
  [SPEAKER_14]: And they came out and said that it's facing away from the sun.
• 1:19:33
  [SPEAKER_14]: It's like if you wanted to go on somewhere and you wanted to be
• 1:19:39
  [SPEAKER_14]: Make it seem as obvious as possible that you're lying.
• 1:19:42
  [SPEAKER_14]: You'd see something like, well, we just solved.
• 1:19:45
  [SPEAKER_14]: And this will scares me.
• 1:19:46
  [SPEAKER_14]: Like, I am...
• 1:19:49
  [SPEAKER_14]: I am generally petrified because of the amount of lies that just happened right there.
• 1:19:54
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, now let's think about what will happen, you know, 30 days from now will be farther into this crisis.
• 1:20:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: They have not, you know, they've only temporarily refunded a portion of SNAP.
• 1:20:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: They said everyone has to reapply.
• 1:20:08
  [SPEAKER_14]: reapply, which takes 30 to 60 days.
• 1:20:16
  [SPEAKER_19]: right and and the economy is in a downturn.
• 1:20:20
  [SPEAKER_19]: They've got special response teams with the National Guard and all 50 states under executive order from President Donald Trump.
• 1:20:29
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, they're expecting something they're expecting to civil unrest, but
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_19]: you know people are probably going to start turning in more and more images like that raise a astrophotography and you know we're going to be able to see this thing a lot clear which will then you know let people know now says why and even further and actually maybe even create like a panic but I guess by then their plan is they will have troops on the street or something like that so this is
• 1:21:01
  [SPEAKER_14]: that's what we said.
• 1:21:03
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what we said.
• 1:21:04
  [SPEAKER_14]: We said it's going to get close enough to where everybody is going to be able to see this thing with their own telescopes or old, oh, nice.
• 1:21:12
  [SPEAKER_14]: And see that it's not that it's not, it's not a comment.
• 1:21:16
  [SPEAKER_14]: And people are going to keep seeing all these UFOs everywhere.
• 1:21:20
  [SPEAKER_14]: And also, we didn't give me the ramp.
• 1:21:23
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 1:21:24
  [SPEAKER_14]: That is what's going to happen in my opinion.
• 1:21:27
  [SPEAKER_14]: But apparently according to NASA, Abbey Lobe, Meekachup, Meekachup, Meekachup, Meekachup, and all the amateur astronomers are all liars.
• 1:21:35
  [SPEAKER_19]: So yeah, that's a thing.
• 1:21:37
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, Harvard has a reputation on this.
• 1:21:40
  [SPEAKER_19]: They were basically letting Abbey Lobe go around talking about this because they obviously understand there's a real
• 1:21:53
  [SPEAKER_19]: None of that basically got addressed.
• 1:21:55
  [SPEAKER_19]: And there was, you know, ovie wasn't here to do any kind of rebuttal on anything or anything.
• 1:22:01
  [SPEAKER_19]: So basically they just put out a whole prop again dissection, session right there.
• 1:22:07
  [SPEAKER_19]: And the, you know, the way this might develop now is concerning because, you know, this might come to a real head here in about 30 days or more.
• 1:22:30
  [SPEAKER_14]: Shep, this is it, Pam.
• 1:22:35
  [SPEAKER_19]: It would be interesting to see people's response on various platforms like X on this and in the comments on NASA tweets and on the, you know, I think they probably closed the comments on that YouTube that NASA just did.
• 1:22:53
  [SPEAKER_19]: They did.
• 1:22:54
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, so, you know, but I mean,
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know what I'm laughing about like knowing that I mean, I don't know if they're laughing up, but they that was a comical play like they even admitted it was a play.
• 1:23:11
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's what everybody on X. I mean, that was so funny when they said during this play, I mean, that's what everybody on X and Facebook is saying they're like that was a play they lied and you know what this is all this is going to do is it's going to make it's going to make amateur astronomers work even harder.
• 1:23:31
  [SPEAKER_14]: even even harder to disperse what NASA just said.
• 1:23:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, Chef, this is this is going to watch how hard people work now to expose what this thing truly is.
• 1:23:45
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, they basically just opened up a can of worms for themselves, right?
• 1:23:51
  [SPEAKER_19]: And, you know, unleashed, you know, all of these investigators, people are, you know, the astronomers and stuff, they're going to dive into this more, like you said, get more involved.
• 1:24:03
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm sure you're going to catch images on your telescope and, you know,
• 1:24:11
  [SPEAKER_14]: As we live, I will go out at 4 a.m. and capture photos of this videos.
• 1:24:17
  [SPEAKER_14]: But, ship, they, like, they couldn't, I know I am very sure that they're lying because
• 1:24:27
  [SPEAKER_14]: They didn't even give the possibility that it could be extraterrestrial.
• 1:24:31
  [SPEAKER_14]: They didn't even say stuff like we could understand how we could, how you could assume that it very well could have, it could be a spacecraft.
• 1:24:41
  [SPEAKER_14]: They didn't even say that.
• 1:24:43
  [SPEAKER_14]: They just pulled those their way with the script and lied, lied, lied, lied, lied.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, they didn't even try, you know, they didn't even try to say, like, well, we know people have been talking about it like it's a spacecraft and here's why it's not, or, you know, they really did dance around all that, they stuck with the script like you're saying, that's, that's scary to me.
• 1:25:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean,
• 1:25:08
  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess, you know, now I, I mean, it feels like we're on some type of 30 day time line now.
• 1:25:15
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, they're also coming out saying there's this H5 in five birds, a human transmission or something like that is never before happened and they're starting to quarantine poultry
• 1:25:33
  [SPEAKER_19]: in eight states and you know this can turn into like something else you know that goes along with all this possibly lockdowns stuff like that which we've talked about before but like this seems like it's all going to come down to some type of you know thing here in about one month from now right around Christmas
• 1:26:01
  [SPEAKER_14]: you're an investigative journalist, you can tell when people are lying or not.
• 1:26:08
  [SPEAKER_14]: See you, do they did that same like that they were lying.
• 1:26:12
  [SPEAKER_19]: they literally were lying so bad they started looking into each other in laughing because they knew they were just telling a script so it was definitely they actually you know they it's not like they believed what they were saying they they were basically covering up for these actions of this object that that are basically unexplainable other than technology they called it
• 1:26:40
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, who knows, they might have got, okay, two things.
• 1:26:42
  [SPEAKER_14]: One, I'm not even sure if they actually reported that live, that might have been something else, right, recorded hours ago.
• 1:26:53
  [SPEAKER_19]: We've scripted questions and all that.
• 1:26:55
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yep.
• 1:26:56
  [SPEAKER_14]: And then two, what is like, what are those people that were in that were told, like, okay, we're going to pre record this.
• 1:27:08
  [SPEAKER_14]: as if the comet was, um, was natural and then they did, they did that entire play and that's why they called it a play.
• 1:27:17
  [SPEAKER_14]: So because they were acting like it was natural when really, and that's why they were laughing.
• 1:27:22
  [SPEAKER_14]: They were laughing because they already know that it's actually a surreal alien.
• 1:27:26
  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, you know what it is, the laugh, it's something like that, but it's called duper's delight, right?
• 1:27:33
  [SPEAKER_19]: So they were actually indulged, you know, they were gorging themselves with the fact that they're
• 1:27:43
  [SPEAKER_19]: the masses, they thought they were duping everyone, but little did they know they weren't really duping anyone.
• 1:27:50
  [SPEAKER_14]: So do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:27:52
  [SPEAKER_14]: No, they say, okay, we're just going to do an exercise here.
• 1:27:57
  [SPEAKER_14]: We're going to do a play if we have to explain to the American public or the world how this thing is actually a comment.
• 1:28:05
  [SPEAKER_14]: What would we say?
• 1:28:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: And then they release it, yep, release it.
• 1:28:09
  [SPEAKER_19]: And they might do, I always thought NASA does stuff like that.
• 1:28:13
  [SPEAKER_19]: Like, you know, puts the astronauts under secrecy agreements.
• 1:28:17
  [SPEAKER_19]: And then goes in and says, go in this aquarium and swim around in your suit.
• 1:28:22
  [SPEAKER_19]: And we'll just call it a training mission.
• 1:28:24
  [SPEAKER_19]: Then they like release that as like spacewalk footage.
• 1:28:27
  [SPEAKER_19]: But there's like bubbles in it and stuff like that.
• 1:28:30
  [SPEAKER_14]: Really think that's what they did.
• 1:28:32
  [SPEAKER_14]: And the best thing is,
• 1:28:35
  [SPEAKER_14]: is that the amateur astronomers and the people of the world are going to be the ones that expose this.
• 1:28:42
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, really, one is NASA ever, like, NASA's never given us accurate information.
• 1:28:49
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, even when they started talking about, oh, how did you get the images of this?
• 1:28:55
  [SPEAKER_14]: They're saying they're staffing images on top of each other and they're saying basically what they said
• 1:29:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I mean, they put blobs to cover up spacecraft is like basically what I heard them say.
• 1:29:14
  [SPEAKER_19]: Like, you know, they were, they layered over blobs from other images.
• 1:29:20
  [SPEAKER_19]: They're all, don't worry about those blobs.
• 1:29:22
  [SPEAKER_19]: It's just blobs right there.
• 1:29:24
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, like, why would there be blobs on their billion dollar equipment or whatever?
• 1:29:30
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, I can get an iPhone with no blobs.
• 1:29:35
  [SPEAKER_19]: You could literally fix an iPhone to a helium balloon and get better images than that than if there's really blobs on these things.
• 1:29:45
  [SPEAKER_19]: And oh, one image isn't good enough and doesn't come in clear enough, you have to start stacking them, which means you would have to add opacity to each layer and stack them.
• 1:29:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: And then that really wouldn't do anything.
• 1:29:58
  [SPEAKER_19]: Anyways, it's like ridiculous to think,
• 1:30:07
  [SPEAKER_14]: It should probably back in like 30 seconds.
• 1:30:09
  [SPEAKER_19]: Hold on.
• 1:30:10
  [SPEAKER_19]: All right.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, guys.
• 1:30:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: This is obviously they explained everything away.
• 1:30:16
  [SPEAKER_19]: They took every opportunity to dodge around every one of those 12 anomalies.
• 1:30:26
  [SPEAKER_19]: I think they had scripted colors and they tried to act like they were asking hardball questions like about the jet.
• 1:30:32
  [SPEAKER_19]: But, you know, really they picked their, they picked what they wanted to talk about.
• 1:30:38
  [SPEAKER_19]: The jets were somewhat easily explainable as like jettisoning dust falling off.
• 1:30:46
  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh yeah, dust is gonna fall off and like propel it, you know.
• 1:30:49
  [SPEAKER_14]: So they said that we have to block, they had to block light with blobs because the light reflected off the spacecraft because they were facing the sun.
• 1:31:02
  [SPEAKER_19]: And one thing is is like, it reflected off the spacecraft all right, but the spacecraft that was around that Atlas, and it probably the whole armata or something.
• 1:31:14
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, this is crazy.
• 1:31:16
  [SPEAKER_14]: I did not, you're right.
• 1:31:18
  [SPEAKER_14]: They did not answer any of the anomaly ship.
• 1:31:22
  [SPEAKER_14]: single one.
• 1:31:24
  [SPEAKER_19]: And they picked the jettison one with, you know, because that's easily, you know, they can just make up swamp gases like popping out of holes in the rock and it's like shooting controls 250 million kilometers, you know, or a thousand kilometer.
• 1:31:41
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, that's a fairly easy one for them to just kind of say something like that.
• 1:31:45
  [SPEAKER_19]: But they didn't really address anything else
• 1:31:50
  [SPEAKER_19]: the fact that the thing took its parade lap and all this stuff, it's just, it's just insane that they would say, like, act like it's normal.
• 1:32:06
  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, this, this is just crazy because, you know, you can, you know, they're lying because they lied from the very beginning.
• 1:32:13
  [SPEAKER_14]: They lied from the very beginning because they said,
• 1:32:17
  [SPEAKER_14]: tune in as we release new images of three eye atlas.
• 1:32:23
  [SPEAKER_19]: That's all right.
• 1:32:24
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 1:32:25
  [SPEAKER_19]: OK, so they showed us an image.
• 1:32:27
  [SPEAKER_19]: One of the images showed a round, pretty spherical object, but it was super blurry and grainy like they, they,
• 1:32:38
  [SPEAKER_19]: they degraded the image.
• 1:32:40
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, they purposely degraded it.
• 1:32:42
  [SPEAKER_19]: It was like, it was like 300 pixel or whatever.
• 1:32:47
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, I mean, it was crazy.
• 1:32:49
  [SPEAKER_14]: It's like, wait a minute, these are the images that they couldn't release during the government shutdown.
• 1:32:56
  [SPEAKER_14]: These are the images that the most advanced space force in the world gets.
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  [SPEAKER_13]: And it's worse than the worse than this amateur astronomers.
• 1:33:08
  [SPEAKER_19]: I've seen big foot images better than that, where, you know, they just circled something like in the trees and it's like a dark spot, you know, and that actually has more detail.
• 1:33:21
  [SPEAKER_14]: the new watch bro you watch like people are not um okay people are not dumb they are going to realize now that's something right and this is gonna cause a huge upboard man
• 1:33:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:33:38
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 1:33:49
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 1:33:51
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
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  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
• 1:33:54
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:33:55
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
• 1:33:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:33:57
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:33:58
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, all they have to do, right?
• 1:34:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, all they have
• 1:34:02
  [SPEAKER_19]: I'm curious to see if people like Tim cast will even cover this, or just completely gloss over it to not bring it any attention.
• 1:34:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: We'll have to see how the operatives handle all this.
• 1:34:15
  [SPEAKER_19]: Do we want to talk about anything else on this episode that we need to touch on or... Well, I just like to say, I mean...
• 1:34:26
  [SPEAKER_14]: Like, I honestly think that those people were saying, like, those people were honestly thinking that they're putting out a play.
• 1:34:36
  [SPEAKER_14]: And this is like for the effect if it wasn't, if it wasn't extraterrestrial, if it was just a comet, what would we say?
• 1:34:43
  [SPEAKER_14]: I think they recorded it as a play.
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_14]: That's why they kept saying the word play.
• 1:34:48
  [SPEAKER_14]: And we will never hear from those guys ever again.
• 1:34:52
  [SPEAKER_19]: Right, because they're under some type of agreement, and they know that just went down.
• 1:34:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: That's almost like what they did to buzz Aldrin and when they said they walk on the moon.
• 1:35:04
  [SPEAKER_19]: uh it buzz Aldrin comes out and says otherwise but um yeah they didn't do it.
• 1:35:11
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah they're they're used to doing that that's what NASA does but NASA's whole purpose in in the whole first place might have been set out to you know track the planet X and the B-Roo Nemesis star system potentially the camp of the Saints and um
• 1:35:31
  [SPEAKER_19]: You know, now we're seeing the cover up of something big.
• 1:35:35
  [SPEAKER_19]: And so it will be fascinating to see how this developed guys, I guess, we'll wait for everybody sees it in the sky with their own eyes.
• 1:35:44
  [SPEAKER_19]: Well, and now like you said, it's going to cause a problem because people are going to realize they were lied to.
• 1:35:51
  [SPEAKER_19]: I think especially how they were laughing around.
• 1:35:53
  [SPEAKER_19]: And they did use the word play and all that.
• 1:35:56
  [SPEAKER_19]: So we'll have to see anything else, mouse, mouse.
• 1:36:01
  [SPEAKER_14]: Um, I don't know.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_14]: I got a lot.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_14]: I, I'm.
• 1:36:05
  [SPEAKER_14]: I am just, if anything that all that did was just proved to me that this is 100% extra to us.
• 1:36:13
  [SPEAKER_19]: And it's going to keep moving in the progression that we were talking about.
• 1:36:18
  [SPEAKER_19]: And now we're going to have to watch the markets, the troop movements, any type of buildup, are they going to have more ice raids and covers like what will they have going on here.
• 1:36:32
  [SPEAKER_19]: the snap are people gonna snap right they they had to reapply for the snap i mean i could take months it could take you know they might not even issue it to them at that point they might you know trump said something weird too he's like oh um
• 1:36:48
  [SPEAKER_19]: These $2,000 checks, they'll go out probably next year, mid 2026 right before and then he like stopped himself and I felt like he was going to say like right before the disasters happen or something like that.
• 1:36:59
  [SPEAKER_19]: So there's a lot of weird stuff, a lot of people.
• 1:37:04
  [SPEAKER_19]: you know in the know or claiming to be in the know say like by mid next year something might happen and all this stuff but let's get definitely stretch on another four to six months or something until we start seeing some real movement but it looks like they're all positioned and the
• 1:37:25
  [SPEAKER_19]: the Donald Trump's birthday, the parade in DC, and then the general's meeting, of course, 60 days out from two days announcement, that was 60 days prior.
• 1:37:38
  [SPEAKER_19]: Then today's announcement, 30 days prior to the close past, the parody of this with earth.
• 1:37:48
  [SPEAKER_19]: So it seems like some type of orchestrated plan,
• 1:37:55
  [SPEAKER_14]: Oh, they're probably thinking, okay, if the people actually believe what we just told them, it's on then because we even called it a play during this.
• 1:38:07
  [SPEAKER_14]: That was a play.
• 1:38:09
  [SPEAKER_14]: That literally was a play.
• 1:38:12
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, I think it's just like what you're saying.
• 1:38:15
  [SPEAKER_14]: I don't think they even knew that that was going to be aired.
• 1:38:18
  [SPEAKER_19]: Right, like they just drop in.
• 1:38:19
  [SPEAKER_19]: They're like, boom, you know, these people see it.
• 1:38:22
  [SPEAKER_19]: They're just like, shut up if you want to keep your job.
• 1:38:25
  [SPEAKER_19]: And by the way, you're under secrecy agreements and all this stuff.
• 1:38:30
  [SPEAKER_14]: Because they basically, I mean, it may know that made no sense because it basically, it calls obby lobe and make it you pick it you complete liar.
• 1:38:40
  [SPEAKER_19]: And they didn't even mention them by name, really, or anything.
• 1:38:44
  [SPEAKER_19]: I mean, everyone knows, you know, they were talking with Kim Kardashian.
• 1:38:48
  [SPEAKER_19]: They addressed everyone, like, little kids on this block.
• 1:38:52
  [SPEAKER_14]: It was an actor.
• 1:38:53
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:38:54
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_14]: All right.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 1:38:55
  [SPEAKER_14]: So, I mean, they could have said something like, well, I'll be low and the general consensus seems to be that this tale is facing towards the sun.
• 1:39:04
  [SPEAKER_14]: Well, it's also, it's actually facing away from the sun.
• 1:39:09
  [SPEAKER_14]: step.
• 1:39:10
  [SPEAKER_19]: We know the tail faces boards this yeah they actually blatantly lied like several several times in this and you know so yeah this is actually happening man yeah it's actually happening and that's kind of the response I thought they would do to buy 30 more days but that's dangerous that's dangerous it's gonna compound now they might have to have the military out at a certain point
• 1:39:37
  [SPEAKER_19]: and uh... you know it could look like the world ship do you think any of your audience have any questions or uh... i'm sure they do i need to get the phone line set up that's one of my next things after i get the google hooked up on it if they if they type it in the comments section um... i can read the questions here
• 1:39:59
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, or in the comments section, if anyone has any questions, type them in the chat right now and in the comments section, but we saw them right there, you know, glossy and over all of this and clearly not talking about it.
• 1:40:19
  [SPEAKER_14]: I mean, they clearly looked like they were trying to act, but they're not actors.
• 1:40:24
  [SPEAKER_14]: I bet you we never hear from those guys ever again.
• 1:40:27
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah, well, um, third eye at last is the acronym, three eye at was third eye at last.
• 1:40:38
  [SPEAKER_19]: A lot of people thinking it could be the return or raw or something like that.
• 1:40:42
  [SPEAKER_19]: That's talk on the internet now.
• 1:40:47
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah, I saw some guy just posted NASA, Santa, Satan and Saturn.
• 1:40:57
  [SPEAKER_19]: Oh, and they all have the same acronyms, basically.
• 1:41:00
  [SPEAKER_14]: Yeah.
• 1:41:01
  [SPEAKER_14]: And you know, you know what I saw regarding Saturn.
• 1:41:05
  [SPEAKER_14]: So.
• 1:41:06
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep.
• 1:41:07
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yeah.
• 1:41:08
  [SPEAKER_19]: And they've been a youthiness terminology lately, talking about how things are not holograms, things are not projected, you know, kind of getting this rhetoric out that like you can't project, you can't fake this, you can't project.
• 1:41:23
  [SPEAKER_19]: So, um, I found that strange because Obby lobe, of course, talking about the working with the sphere in Vegas, getting a visit from some characters, and I gave him an offer he cannot refuse, of course, and then he turned over his Galileo.
• 1:41:39
  [SPEAKER_19]: images and they're recreating a sky for the sphere using three eyes in different locations, three observatories around the world in three locations, so it all ties in.
• 1:41:53
  [SPEAKER_19]: I guess I'm going to get out of here, but we'll see how this develops and if anything big happens, I'll all come back on later this evening.
• 1:42:02
  [SPEAKER_19]: If not, I, you know, we'll see what happens tomorrow.
• 1:42:05
  [SPEAKER_14]: This is going to be a big this is going to be a big 30 days and how funny is that it's exactly 30 days.
• 1:42:13
  [SPEAKER_19]: Yep, it feels like a perfectly orchestrated military plan.
• 1:42:18
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• 1:42:20
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• 1:42:28
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• 1:42:30
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• 1:42:32
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