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Protecting Young Writers: Exposing Exploitation in Christian Publishing | Episode 214 · Voices for Voices®

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  Justin Alan Hayes: Here we go.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: Welcome to another episode of the Voices for Voices TV show and podcast.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: I'm your host, founder and executive director of Voices for Voices, justin Allen Hayes.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So we're going to jump into this episode's topic with one of our prior guests and I guess, before we're introduced, I just want to kind of just throw it out there, because we've been getting some feedback about about how much we're diving into this human trafficking topic.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: And number one it's traumatic.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So that lands obviously with mental health-wise anything, any type of trauma.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So we know that there is a lot of trauma there and, second of all, we want to help anybody who has gone through such traumatic events, and so at this point we're covering what we call our off-cycle episodes.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So it's important which is why we're doing this off cycle to get this content out to you over close to 60 countries, 600 cities worldwide, so this is pretty big, which, again, is very humble.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So, yeah, you may see other content similar as far as topic-wise, but this definitely ties in mental health.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: During each, each episode, um know that underlying of the foundation of us as humans is health, and that's physical health and then that's mental health, and so when trauma, I I've gone through a quite a bit of trauma that I've talked about.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: You've heard me seen me talk about and I'll continue, I would say, as the time presents itself, and so that's what we want to do.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So when we say we're a voice, we're truly a voice.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: We're sharing the voices of those who have been maybe marginalized for whatever reason.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: People may not be giving them a voice, they may be taking it away, and a little bit of that, or say a lot of that, it kind of really goes into this guest who is very talented, very genuine, when we have conversations to share.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So, as we work through and get to the point of having others, other authors, other actors, other individuals that we're speaking with and you may have heard and saw a prior episode with Leanna Shields, you know, you may have heard and saw a prior episode with Leanna Shields.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: You saw and heard a couple with Gabriel Bloor, and so, as we're giving them a voice, we are giving our guests here, david Solomon, a voice, and I know that this particular episode has all are near and dear to him and there's a special message that he wants to convey.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: So, david, thank you again for joining us, and the floor is yours.
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  David Solomon: Thank you.
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  David Solomon: You know it's always a blessing to just be on the podcast and just try to be an inspiration and a light.
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  David Solomon: I just want to open up in prayer before we dive deep.
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  David Solomon: So if you're a reader of mine, or of Christian fantasy or fantasy in general, this podcast is for you today.
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  David Solomon: So we're just going to dive deep into prayer so that God is our guide as we touch on some interesting subjects that I just felt needed to be talked about.
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  David Solomon: So here we go.
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  David Solomon: Wow.
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  David Solomon: So here we go.
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  David Solomon: Dear Jesus, we thank you for the opportunity to come together to just learn what is going on in the world and see it through your eyes, and for you to help us make a difference in a world that is dark, so that we may be your light.
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  David Solomon: You call us to be storytellers some of us.
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  David Solomon: You call us to do other things to make a difference, but to always show your light, your love and your glory, and we thank you for that.
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  David Solomon: For those that are injured or sick, we pray for them.
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  David Solomon: We pray for healing in all ways spiritually, mentally, physically and financially.
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  David Solomon: Lord, because this world is falling apart, lord, and it needs you Tonight, as we gather on this episode.
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  David Solomon: I just want your glory to be done and to touch the individuals who will hear this and its message, and to glorify you and to inspire, as you have inspired me.
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  David Solomon: Thank you for giving me the gift and the knowledge and the power to tell the stories that you want me to share with the.
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  David Solomon: Going to do this podcast last minute, but God kind of laid it on my heart uh, things that are going on in the writing world.
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  David Solomon: So I'm a ghost writer.
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  David Solomon: I write, uh, christian fantasy, christian sci-fi, as well as other tv shows and various movies.
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  David Solomon: I'm sure everyone has heard of sound of freedom by now, um, and I am known for ghostwriting that.
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  David Solomon: But right now we're going to talk about being a ghostwriter and we're going to address some concerns that I have gotten from people and have just really talked to a lot of a body of believing writers and it was just inspirational and incredible, so we're going to dive deep.
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  David Solomon: So here we go In 2009, I was going to church and a lot of Christian writers go to church and they listen to their pastors and there's nothing wrong with that and only write what fits their narrative.
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  David Solomon: That's where I have a problem.
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  David Solomon: So we're going to dive into that real quickly.
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  David Solomon: So here we go fall into the trap of being dictated by their youth pastor or by their leader of the church that if the leader says, burn your writing, because we want to look at these signs and ask ourselves if this is okay or if this is Christ-like.
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  David Solomon: And that is what this episode is going to be.
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  David Solomon: So we're going to make four points and that's going to be the four points.
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  David Solomon: So number one is are you in a healthy environment as a Christian who's a writer, and are you getting positive feedback from your leaders and so a lot of people?
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  David Solomon: On Realm Makers, who we have been talking about, the reason it was created, turns out, is because the founder, becky, in her own words, said that preachers are not nice to her, to her or her writers, that they are demonic, or you can't write and be a Christian or tell fantasy, and that was interesting to me.
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  David Solomon: So we're going to dive deep into this moment.
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  David Solomon: So in 2009, I attended a church Its name was Joy Church in Medford and it was a call and I fell in hood line and sinker.
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  David Solomon: And I fell in hood line and sinker and the pastor knew I was a ghostwriter and he saw how much money I was making and he told me to burn my writing and write for him and write for him.
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  David Solomon: So I, like hundreds of other children, took a match and burned our writing or comic books or anything secular that we had laying around.
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  David Solomon: And that's an important thing to talk about is you know what that looks like going forward?
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  David Solomon: So you know we really want to address what it is to be healthy and in a church as a writer.
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  David Solomon: So I would challenge the listener if you're a Christian writer, you know, get feedback from your pastor, but always make sure that you're in a church that is supporting you as a writer.
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  David Solomon: You don't need to be in a church that's saying you can't do this because God has called you to do that, and I would really encourage you to seek out a true church that lifts you up and not put you down and then join no offense a circus like Realm Makers who collects people who have not only been abused by the church for that reason, but for people that feel put down by the body of Christ that they are writing for, and that is a big moment of why I'm here tonight.
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  David Solomon: So I made the mistake of burning my writing and that's where it starts and it destroys your identity as a writer and as a storyteller of Christ.
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  David Solomon: And you know my mom.
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  David Solomon: It broke her heart and so she confronted the pastor and said how dare you, you know?
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  David Solomon: And the pastor said, well, it's for God and it's what God wants.
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  David Solomon: He burned his writing.
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  David Solomon: He's with the church now and you know, we own his writing.
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  David Solomon: Now he's going to write for the church and all the intellectual properties are going to be owned by the church.
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  David Solomon: And that was an interesting moment moment.
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  David Solomon: So it was May 17, 2009.
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  David Solomon: And I had fallen from my calling as a writer and I had followed a man who made us kids just burn everything we loved and separated us to the point of saying, oh, you can't see your mom, or your dad because they're spiritually sick and not spiritually sound, and when you get to that point that's never okay, and so that was really hard to face and deal with at the time, sorry take your time
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  David Solomon: when I burned my writing and joined that church and joined the youth group and threw away my identity.
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  David Solomon: I see why people have created a place like Realm Makers, a place like Railmakers.
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  David Solomon: I sympathize.
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  David Solomon: Not only that, I can understand the thought behind it.
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  David Solomon: And when you take someone that's abused like that, like me, who burned my writing, or Stuart God bless him who burned his, and you say you know you're nothing without the church, strip them of their identity.
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  David Solomon: Basically, I see where the desperation comes from to prey on victims.
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  David Solomon: And so tonight this is going to make people feel really uncomfortable.
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  David Solomon: We're going to talk about victimizing and we're going to talk about what that means in the Christian writing world.
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  David Solomon: We're going to go there, talk about what that means in the Christian writing world.
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  David Solomon: We're going to go there.
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  David Solomon: So you know, we're not going to mention names because everybody in the industry knows everybody and we've all signed NDAs as ghostwriters, so we're going to keep it PG.
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  David Solomon: So before anybody says, david, you can't say that, no, I'm not saying names, amen.
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  David Solomon: But this isn't going to be a negative part.
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  David Solomon: I hope that it produces a positive impact on the listener.
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  David Solomon: So when you feed on people that are vulnerable, like I was from coming out of burning my writing, um, and then someone like you know said someone that I talked about.
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  David Solomon: And someone like you know said someone that I talked about comes along and says I want you to write for me.
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  David Solomon: You're doing God's work.
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  David Solomon: I'm sorry you burned all your writing.
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  David Solomon: You know, maybe I can help redeem you, follow me.
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  David Solomon: You jump at that.
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  David Solomon: You jump at that and for kids who are vulnerable and have these big time authors come to their town and say I want you to write for me.
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  David Solomon: And they come, they feed on them because they're in an abusive environment and what that means is not only from home, but from school.
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  David Solomon: They know these kids, no matter who you are, has a darkness and they feed on that darkness like a vampire feeds with blood, and they suck the soul out of those children and there's no easy way of saying this.
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  David Solomon: So we're going to say it.
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  David Solomon: And if I get called a criminal, that's fine.
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  David Solomon: You labor, traffic these kids to write your books.
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  David Solomon: That is a crime.
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  David Solomon: That is a crime.
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  David Solomon: And so it's so awesome having all these Christian creators on here and we're going to continue that.
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  David Solomon: We're going to have Christian creators like crazy.
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  David Solomon: I work with some of the most amazing people in Hollywood and some of the amazing people in the Christian world of industry and entertainment.
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  David Solomon: But that doesn't stop me from calling out what I call poor leadership, not only at Realm but there are other places before Realm Holy World to the Christian fiction writers, associations of Christian fantasy, there are all these different networks that work the same and it's all the same faces, these seven people, these same faces, and they ask I just saw a piece of the other day.
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  David Solomon: You ask kids for their ideas and you say write the book for me and you give no credit.
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  David Solomon: And this is why people like me are mocked.
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  David Solomon: Because people like you if you're listening, if people like you take advantage of children, underage children, minor children, who are in vulnerable places, vulnerable moments of their lives, and you feed on that.
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  David Solomon: You private message them and say you know what I want to know about you?
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  David Solomon: And that is how it starts.
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  David Solomon: You create a relationship with that said person and then you twist the faith in order for it to fit your narrative and you say I am a man of God and you don't need to tell your mom or you don't need to tell your dad.
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  David Solomon: Let's just keep it between you and me, because God said so.
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  David Solomon: You know it's funny, because all the kids that you choose to go straight for you and this goes for all seven of you that are listening, because I know those seven people are listening to this how dare you?
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  David Solomon: How dare you use children for your own benefit?
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  David Solomon: My best friend was 17.
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  David Solomon: Autistic cerebral palsy and look at what you've done.
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  David Solomon: Autistic cerebral palsy and look at what you've done.
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  David Solomon: Look at what you do every day as a teacher, and I'm calling you out.
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  David Solomon: I've had multiple messages tonight on my own inbox blowing me up.
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  David Solomon: I cannot believe that people that write would use underage children to write their books, not give them credit, and say woe is me, amazing, is me amazing.
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  David Solomon: Grace, how sweet my sound that saved a wretch like me.
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  David Solomon: Have you forgotten where you come from?
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  David Solomon: Did you forget that you come from Jesus Christ, or did you think that you created your own?
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  David Solomon: Did you forget that you come from Jesus Christ or did you think that you created your own self?
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  David Solomon: Because that is not where your voice came from.
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  David Solomon: Your voice was given by God, but you're so prideful that you neglect the fact that God gave you that voice.
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  David Solomon: So you say woe is me, I'm the amazing person.
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  David Solomon: Look at me.
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  David Solomon: Let's sing a hymn about myself instead of the one that gave you the gift in the first place, don't you know?
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  David Solomon: That's why Satan was kicked out of heaven.
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  David Solomon: That's why it's called pride.
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  David Solomon: So, yes, I am a little passionate tonight because I get messages like this and then I get people mocking me and other survivors that come out and that is because kids are not believed in the beginning, because they're going up against a Goliath like you.
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  David Solomon: Number two Goliaths you should never feel like there is someone above you.
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  David Solomon: Even if they're a pastor, they should always respect you and just be overall nice, and if they're not, that's not a church for you, that's not a leader or a writer that you should fellowship with.
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  David Solomon: And parents and kids that are listening, because I know there will be.
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  David Solomon: You know it's okay to talk to authors, right, Especially in the Christian world.
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  David Solomon: We talk to them all the time.
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  David Solomon: Authors, right, especially in the Christian world.
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  David Solomon: We talk to them all the time.
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  David Solomon: If you want to get advice about pornography or cutting and you ask an author who is writing about it, you, that's something else.
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  David Solomon: They're writing about it.
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  David Solomon: They're having a ministry Maybe they have a doctorate Then I would be okay with that.
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  David Solomon: They're reaching out, okay.
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  David Solomon: But if you are an author and you are private, messaging kids and listening to their problems and trying to coach them, and you don't have a doctorate and you're just doing this because you get off on it, man, where have you come from?
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  David Solomon: Man, where have you come from?
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  David Solomon: You must have forgot Joshua 1.8.
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  David Solomon: This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth, but thou shalt meditate on it both day and night.
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  David Solomon: You must have forgotten that verse.
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  David Solomon: So you know, I really just want to hone in on taking advantage of children as minors in the writing world in general.
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  David Solomon: We look at Justin Bieber, we look at Nickelodeon, I'm looking at you, dan Schneider, but you see, these don't come out until years later, when the victims are mocked.
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  David Solomon: So if your kid, or anyone for that matter, says this person did this to me, I don't care who they are, I don't care who they are, I don't care how big they are.
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  David Solomon: You need to listen.
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  David Solomon: If it's a pastor, if it's a priest, if it's a youth pastor, if it's a leader, if it's a choir leader, I don't care who it is.
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  David Solomon: Listen to your kid.
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  David Solomon: They are telling the truth.
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  David Solomon: Telling the truth.
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  David Solomon: I shouldn't be on here tonight having to talk about this issue.
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  David Solomon: You, as parents, should be adult enough to not message me and say well, what do I do Because my kid is private messaging with so-and-so about porn?
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  David Solomon: But here we are because you opened the door and said well, you know he's an author, I'll let him into my house, it's okay.
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  David Solomon: We look at the Miller brothers and Mech Mice.
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  David Solomon: There's a video online, parents, where these authors go to this home, and this girl did not tell her parents that these authors were going to show up, so she gave the address to these authors.
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  David Solomon: The authors showed up and guess what?
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  David Solomon: The parent wanted to shoot them and they videotaped it.
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  David Solomon: We should not be in this moment, but we are, and it is my job as a leader, as a father, as a husband and as someone who is trying to pave the way and take the trash out, to bring the new in, to expose this agenda, because we are no better than the people that we criticize in the liberal world.
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  David Solomon: You want to call yourself a Christian writer and yet you are doing everything that the pedophilias do in Hollywood.
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  David Solomon: So which one is it?
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  David Solomon: Are you serving God or are you serving the devil.
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  David Solomon: I'm not trying to be aggressive tonight, but when I get 45 messages on my inbox alone, what do you want me to do, parents?
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  David Solomon: Do you want me to let it go?
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  David Solomon: Do you want me to go?
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  David Solomon: You know, hey, this is normal.
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  David Solomon: I've been mocked since I came out as a survivor, since 2012.
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  David Solomon: Fine with it.
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  David Solomon: I've been called every name.
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  David Solomon: My own youth pastor threw a dodgeball at my face, knocked me unconscious.
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  David Solomon: I was called a whore kid, whore, boy.
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  David Solomon: I can take it.
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  David Solomon: The moment you call my wife a whore, which a lot of people have, that's not okay.
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  David Solomon: My nine-year-old that's not okay.
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  David Solomon: Any of my writing people?
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  David Solomon: That's not okay.
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  David Solomon: When did we stoop so low to go to that level to put other people down so we can feel great about ourselves?
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  David Solomon: Number three dignity, dignity, people, dignity.
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  David Solomon: Okay, so I'm looking at a Facebook post of one of these authors that I worked with and go so forth.
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  David Solomon: Hey, I want you to write my story.
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  David Solomon: I'm looking for kids to give me feedback.
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  David Solomon: Private message me.
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  David Solomon: Why are you telling kids to private message you?
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  David Solomon: Are you their father?
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  David Solomon: Are you a counselor?
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  David Solomon: Are you a cop?
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  David Solomon: Are you law enforcement?
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  David Solomon: Are you a judge?
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  David Solomon: Are you a jury?
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  David Solomon: Which one is it?
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  David Solomon: No, you're an author who is private messaging children whose parents don't even give two craps that you are.
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  David Solomon: No, you're an author who is private messaging children whose parents don't even give two craps that you are.
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  David Solomon: And then I see the response oh, I have this idea.
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  David Solomon: This is a really cool idea, thank you.
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  David Solomon: I'm going to use that for my story.
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  David Solomon: Your story that's going to use that for my story.
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  David Solomon: Your story that's going to be a bestseller on the New York bestsellers list is a Christian fantasy book.
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  David Solomon: That's brilliant.
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  David Solomon: I mean, who?
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  David Solomon: Who draws the line between right and wrong?
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  David Solomon: So we look at these choices that we're seeing today of these authors taking advantage of your children and this is a very passionate conversation, because it's very passionate on my heart to get this out.
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  David Solomon: Parents put up walls.
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  David Solomon: Know who your kid is talking to.
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  David Solomon: Writers, no matter your age.
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  David Solomon: Know who you're surrounding yourself with.
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  David Solomon: I don't care if they're your favorite author.
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  David Solomon: If they say something to you out of line, you don't go.
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  David Solomon: Oh, I'm going to brush it off.
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  David Solomon: See a lot of people listening.
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  David Solomon: Go.
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  David Solomon: Oh, the world doesn't work that way.
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  David Solomon: I'm here to tell you one thing there are over a thousand children tonight that I am speaking for on their behalf.
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  David Solomon: And those thousand children are tied to Realm.
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  David Solomon: And those thousand children are private message by authors every day because they ghostwrite for those writers on Realm who are bestsellers on their board or co-authors that get no credit, payment for fan service or an autograph, give me a break.
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  David Solomon: And then you have the audacity to say to the parent well, they gave me the idea and I liked it.
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  David Solomon: I didn't have them sign an agreement or anything, so I don't owe them a penny.
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  David Solomon: Or you're like another author we know I'm looking at you, mr Quest of Faith and go oh yeah, that was in the past, but I changed my cover so their name's not on there anymore.
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  David Solomon: I changed my cover, he wrote it and he did all the drawing Michael Wilmot, but you know he was 14, and we were pen pals, private messaging.
• 32:14
  David Solomon: He sent me all the art and I made that my book cover and it's my illustrations in my book.
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  David Solomon: But I didn't credit him for it.
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  David Solomon: I actually said I drew it, you what?
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  David Solomon: So anyway, I don't know your son anything and he can't actually prove that it's his either, because I have the originals.
• 32:34
  David Solomon: Who do you think a court's going to believe?
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  David Solomon: That's the email this mother got.
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  David Solomon: And, by the way, for those that are are listening, that mother may actually come on the show, amen.
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  David Solomon: So it's just so brainwashing for these authors to come here and expect kids to write their own books, man man and write their own books, man man.
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  David Solomon: And when I came out and said I was a survivor of you know who, you know, I was mocked because he's a god.
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  David Solomon: And I saw that and I accepted that, and I accepted that.
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  David Solomon: But isn't it funny?
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  David Solomon: He's not a God but yet he seems to have all this power.
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  David Solomon: And it's not physical power, it's mental power, not spiritual, it's fear Of making people afraid.
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  David Solomon: So these authors like to use what we call oh, what is it?
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  David Solomon: We call them tactics where they scare the kid into not telling the parent.
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  David Solomon: Okay, and that's not right and that has to be addressed too.
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  David Solomon: Why, why do that if you call yourself a Christian author?
• 34:40
  David Solomon: So when people criticize me right now for building a team and building an empire, like Scott Minor did, buddy, I'm taking out the trash so that no kid goes through what I went through.
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  David Solomon: Excuse me, thank you through, excuse me, thank you so yeah so when I wrote sound of freedom, you know, no one should go through that.
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  David Solomon: No one should go through that.
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  David Solomon: No one should go through that and be mocked, not like I was.
• 35:32
  David Solomon: I'll cut it there, because I'm going to get cut off at my fourth thought.
• 35:37
  David Solomon: Well do you want?
• 35:42
  Justin Alan Hayes: to just throw the bullet out.
• 35:44
  David Solomon: yeah, know your surroundings, know who you're surrounding yourself with, be in a healthy environment and let your kids thrive and for you know kids who think that these authors are big and they worship them.
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  David Solomon: They're not God, and shame on you authors for making kids write your books.
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  David Solomon: Man, wake up, wake up.
• 36:24
  David Solomon: That's the message that was on my heart tonight, because I got that many messages about this yeah, obviously the ethics obviously comes into that as well of other communication.
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  Justin Alan Hayes: That happens when, yeah, you know, people share information that shouldn't and and that um is also something that, uh, especially when somebody's a minor um, you know, at the time yeah and and how.
• 37:01
  Justin Alan Hayes: That'd be the precipice of why the name was brought up, why the work was brought up, so that that should also be on, you know, parents radars as well.
• 37:15
  David Solomon: And that's why I'm so passionate about it is it needs to be addressed Like 44 messages.
• 37:23
  David Solomon: I mean that's a lot.
• 37:27
  Justin Alan Hayes: Especially on like that top.
• 37:28
  Justin Alan Hayes: I mean on the top, yeah, yeah.
• 37:32
  Justin Alan Hayes: So thanks for coming on so short notice.
• 37:40
  David Solomon: Yeah, absolutely Anytime.
• 37:46
  Justin Alan Hayes: Yeah, I just appreciate and and what you're willing to to share that it's.
• 37:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: It's hard.
• 37:50
  Justin Alan Hayes: Uh, I didn't, I haven't gone through something like that, but the trauma and things that I've gone through they're, they're just hard to talk about.
• 37:58
  Justin Alan Hayes: So just talking about them by itself is amazing.
• 38:03
  Justin Alan Hayes: Just to take that step.
• 38:06
  Justin Alan Hayes: So, yeah, thanks again for tuning in to this episode of the Voices for Voices TV Show and Podcast.
• 38:16
  Justin Alan Hayes: Catch this, as well as our over 212, 213 other episodes, and until next time, be a voice for you or somebody in need.