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Radio Ranch with Roger Sayles AFTERSHOW - 070926 - License Plates, Ownership, and Opting Out: A Deep Caller Discussion · Global Voice Radio Network's tracks

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  Unknown: 28
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  CFR.
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  29.1.
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  Owner withdraw
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  from the program.
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  29.1.
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  Owner withdraw from the program. An owner
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  may withdraw from the program, underline, at any time
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  by completely removing
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  the program decal
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  and changing the license plate
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  if necessary.
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  The owner
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  is also encouraged.
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  I am currently encouraging you to do this to notify
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  the participating agency
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  in writing
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  of such a withdrawal.
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  Can
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  Unknown: you repeat that Jerry please?
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  Unknown: 28
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  CFR
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  code of federal regulations.
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  29.1.
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  28
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  CFR
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  29.1.
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  Unknown: Thank you.
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  Unknown: Owner,
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  meaning you, supposedly, but you don't own it because you don't have the original
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  title.
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  The
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  MOV, I think it's called.
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  Owner withdraw from the program.
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  An owner
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  may withdraw from the program at any time by completely removing the program decal, the little plastic sticker that you gotta purchase every year, two years, five years, whatever it is.
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  At any time,
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  by completely removing
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  the program's
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  detail,
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  little little sticker,
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  and
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  changing
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  the license plate if necessary.
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  The owner is also encouraged.
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  I'm encouraging you to
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  notify the participating
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  DMV,
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  state,
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  regulator,
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  CFR,
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  agency
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  in writing.
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  Oh, such a withdrawal.
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  Unknown: And obviously,
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  Jerry, if I may, you only have to do that if you've participated
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  with that particular
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  car, truck, or van or motorcycle.
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  Unknown: Yeah.
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  Only. Only if. If
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  you buy a if you buy a
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  from another individual
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  and not a
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  because any anytime you buy a vehicle,
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  a
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  motor vehicle Automobile. And a
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  whatever.
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  Motorcycle, truck,
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  trailer,
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  whatever. They
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  they they ask you, hey. Would you like would you like for us to go ahead and register
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  and
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  and
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  what's that other instance?
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  Tag license and registration here at the at the at the
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  Dealer.
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  Dealer
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  and and you and you fork out another whatever it is. It don't matter if it's a dollar quarter.
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  You just handed everything
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  over to the state at that point.
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  He said, no. Unfortunately,
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  most of us can't afford to pay cash at a dealership
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  or fee up money,
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  dollar bills, fake fake paper
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  at the dealership
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  to do that. So we say, yeah. Go ahead and do it for me. And right then and there, as soon as you consented,
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  you just handed the state
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  everything,
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  all your rights.
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  But they
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  don't tell you about these regulations,
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  that's their policies.
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  After they do that, you can go over there and say, Hey,
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  I wanna get out of your program. I don't wanna be in your program no more. Now the police departments and the sheriff departments, they don't know none of this stuff,
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  so they're gonna keep harassing
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  Hey, Jerry.
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  Hello.
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  So you pay for an automobile
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  or a vehicle,
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  and
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  the question comes, are you the owner?
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  You only have a certificate of title.
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  You do not have the MSO.
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  So you're not the owner?
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  I don't know. That's the question.
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  No. You're not.
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  Unknown: If I made over.
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  Unknown: You handed it over to the state.
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  Yeah.
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  Unknown: If you register it,
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  they're the owner
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  or the person of interest.
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  If you
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  if if you have a bill of sale that says that you purchased that automobile
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  with
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  lawful
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  money and other valuable considerations
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  and you don't register it
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  or place it
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  you put private plates or do the DOT the private motor carrier thing
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  The state doesn't own it. And I heard if you if you use, like,
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  lawful money and other valuable considerations,
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  the state isn't allowed to
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  register
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  that automobile
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  because you gotta use a speed lot.
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  Unknown: Well, because that falls under contracts.
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  Then
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  everybody knows about contract. But you're right, Carl. You you're not the owner
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  because when you purchase that car, it was registered in somebody else's name.
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  What you have to do is go over there and register it in your name and because it has your name on it now, now
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  you can go over there and challenge and say, am the owner of this vehicle
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  now.
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  That's where they get us through fraud.
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  It's it's all a fraud. It's all a scam
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  to make you think,
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  Jerry, who's the owner?
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  Well, we're not the owners of anything, but we are,
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  and we can remove it from the program once
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  we get we have something
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  that's associated
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  with us earning on
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  any certificate.
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  And that's what we can challenge them. But we don't because
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  it's easier like Roger said. It's easier to give them the $30,
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  $20.
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  Whatever they charge me, they they put that right at the limit like, oh, man. I don't I don't know if I can afford a $130
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  for this
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  ticket that I
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  but I agree with that other gentleman. If everybody would challenge
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  that ticket, well,
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  I I challenged mine. I I was going 90 miles an hour on on
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  Highway 2 here in New Mexico.
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  And
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  I pulled up behind a
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  unmarked
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  sheriff car. Unmarked.
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  Well, he pulls me over.
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  Oh,
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  tags, license, and registration. And I said, no.
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  No. I'm not having I I first, I challenged him. I accuse him. Articulate your article and statute as to why you're harassing me.
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  Pour the words out of my mouth. Articulate your article and statute
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  as people. I'm not harassing you. You were speeding.
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  Who are you to say that I am speeding?
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  Anyway, I'm 90 miles an hour on this highway.
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  You have and before it was all said and done, my wife is the one that hands in the
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  insurance
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  card to me. I wasn't gonna give them nothing.
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  It's a it's a long story. But, anyway, my wife's the one that handed them the just the insurance card. That's all he got, the
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  on the car.
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  But that wasn't gonna give it to him, period. But, anyway
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  so he got all my information off there and gave him back, and
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  I I refused to sign. I'm gonna arrest you. So I I challenged him again.
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  Oh, are you threatening to kidnap me?
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  You were speeding. If you don't sign, I'm taking you to jail. I I should have said go ahead and take me to jail, but I had my wife and my daughter with me at the time. No no excuses, but anyway,
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  90 miles an hour.
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  And I didn't sign I didn't sign that paper. I put
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  1Dash308
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  and I handed it back to her.
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  I did sign my name. Right. Well, anyway, this took
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  you have you have, you know, this many days to appear in court and blah blah blah. Well, before I appeared in court, I
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  sent to that court
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  a bunch of paperwork.
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  That citizenship affidavit, that's blah blah blah, whatever. Anyway,
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  how much did I pay for going 90 miles an hour on Highway 2 in in
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  our it's actually an artisan in Mexico.
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  Much did I pay for that
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  piece of paper? And I could've sued them for millions of dollar that I didn't know at the time, but anyway.
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  So I I
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  didn't pay zero.
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  Now what I did do as soon as when I went to go see the judge because this is during COVID.
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  I kept oh, no. You have to be on this
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  TV thing.
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  Oh, what do you call it? Anyway, you had to and and you got appeared in
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  TV, and I said, don't have no jurisdiction over me.
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  You know?
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  All that judge was mad and yelling at me and slap, blah. And I yelled back at him over the phone
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  because I wasn't on a
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  on TV, they couldn't see who I was. How do I don't know if this is US. I don't know if this is you. I told him.
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  Anyway, I want I I put on a I sent him a bunch of paperwork and I turned that paperwork in and I told him
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  that eventually,
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  said it was in Rothera, Childish County. I live in Eddy County.
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  That's that that piece of paper he gave me was in Chavez County. So I had to go to Roswell because that's where the court was.
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  So I went over there and and I handed the clerk a bunch of paper. What is this? I said, I want you to file this with all that
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  on this number here.
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  What is that?
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  I said, I I wanna I wanna see that judge face to face
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  not over some stupid
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  call.
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  And I told her just like that.
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  She said, I don't know if we could do that. I said, well, go find out and see if we can do it.
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  Anyway, I didn't pay nothing for that 90 mile an hour ticket except my time.
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  Unknown: Were you playing that Jimi Hendrix song when you was in there? 90 miles an hour, girl, is the speed I drive.
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  Unknown: You sound like Henrichs too.
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  Unknown: They tell me I look just like them too.
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  Unknown: Wowie.
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  Unknown: Especially my my
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  right handed upside down
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  Gibson.
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  Okay. Correction. My wife said I look more like Ray Charles.
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  Unknown: Yeah. But she's biased.
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  I give up on that one.
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  Unknown: When I was legally blind, I was hunting at a
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  family member's property,
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  and
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  and they had a
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  Halloween party, it was on Halloween night
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  and it was bow season here in Michigan and
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  they had a Halloween party, masquerade party afterwards and I
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  I painted my face black
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  and I left my hunting clothes on and I
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  had this hat and it's got these long
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  braids in it you know and I put the hat on and
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  and I went to the party as
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  as
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  Stevie Wonder
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  the great
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  black hunter
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  and
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  so were people there that didn't know me and they they kept wanting me to take off my hat.
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  Once they thought out it was real.
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  Anyway, I won the first prize for the best costume.
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  Unknown: Anyway, was gonna read something
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  else here.
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  Roger was saying,
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  seeking something
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  and everything that Proverbs
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  Proverbs 20
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  Proverbs four
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  twenty three. 27.
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  It said, my son, pay attention to what I say.
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  Turn your ear to my words.
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  Do not let them, who's them, out of your sight.
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  Keep them within your heart. Do not let my words out of your sight.
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  For they are like life to those who find them and health to one's whole body.
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  Above all else,
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  guard your heart
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  for everything that you do flows from it.
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  Keep your mouth free of perversity.
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  Keep corrupt
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  talk
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  far from your lips.
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  Let your let your eyes look straight ahead.
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  Fix your gaze directly before you.
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  Be careful.
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  Get careful thought
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  to the paths of your feet
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  and be steadfast in all your ways. Do not turn to the right or to the left. Keep your foot
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  from evil.
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  I didn't mean to run everybody off.
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  Unknown: Loud and clear.
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  Unknown: Hey, Dave. Hey, everybody.
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  Unknown: Hey, Walt. Paul.
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  Hey, man. Are you sure that that code applies to us since we're not really federal citizens?
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  We're
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  state citizens.
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  Just just wondering.
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  Unknown: It still applies because you're on there.
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  Because if you go out in the highway, they're gonna pull you over.
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  If you get pulled over.
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  Unknown: I would say that the supremacy clause,
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  the the the constitution
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  overthrew the states.
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  It overthrew the sovereignty of the states. The states are not sovereign. They're subservient
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  to the federal government.
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  Unknown: Yep.
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  Okay.
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  Unknown: But if you call yourself a citizen,
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  then, you know, that the a citizen is a city
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  denizen. That's a city slave.
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  I wouldn't wanna be that.
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  Unknown: That's why Roger keeps emphasizing
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  learn
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  the material.
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  Unknown: But yet he still uses that word and calls us all citizens.
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  I don't like it.
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  I do not consent.
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  Has anyone listened to the republic call?
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  USA Organic Republic dot com,
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  the
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  June 9,
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  June 30,
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  and July 7.
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  Listen to those three calls.
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  It's about claiming your minor estate.
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  They're pretty
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  pretty deep dive, pretty detailed,
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  Unknown: and they Can repeat that? Can you repeat those dates, Dave? Yep. June 9,
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  Unknown: June 30,
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  and July 7.
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  Unknown: Thank you. You're welcome.
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  Unknown: I didn't believe it for a long time, and they broke it all down. They got, you know, all the
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  the supporting documents,
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  and they'll send them to you.
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  If you send an email
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  to
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  blueridge1121@gmail.com,
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  blueridge1121@gmail.com,
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  They'll send you a link to each Tuesday night call with all the supporting documents
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  for the, you know, for the call
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  and
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  and then you can go back and ask for those dates
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  and
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  they should be on the website. All that stuff is posted
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  on the website.
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  And remember when Paul had that guy, Asher,
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  on here a couple of times?
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  He's on he's on those calls. He's on those calls. Yep. He was the the supporting guest and I'm telling you Daryl's really done a huge deep dive into that stuff and
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  I'm I'm on board now
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  that we got a post
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  a notice in the paper
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  telling them that we've returned
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  from the sea.
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  Unknown: Yeah. You need the claim of life.
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  Unknown: Yep.
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  It sounds stupid,
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  but that's how stupid they are
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  because nobody will believe it.
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  Unknown: Yeah. I'm gonna read this comment. Comment. Comment. Comment. Comment. Comment.
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  An infant is a decedent
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  of an estate.
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  It's you until you declare otherwise.
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  I R M
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  twenty one point seven
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  point one three point three point 2.2.
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  An infant is a decedent of an estate or grantor,
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  owner
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  or trustor of a trust,
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  guardianship,
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  receivership
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  or custodianship
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  that had yet
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  to receive a social security number. Do y'all have a social security number you assigned to?
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  Once the infant receives a social security number,
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  the infant begins to journey
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  as federal government
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  property,
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  a federal employee
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  taxpayer.
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  Some call it the straw man with the father and mother as judiciaries
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  to protect
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  the state property
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  via
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  the newly created, says the Cuban trust estate
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  for the infant,
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  identified
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  by holding the stock certificate.
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  The state issued certificate
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  of live birth,
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  and that estate was subject
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  to tax reporting and tax on income based
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  on
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  self
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  confession,
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  self reporting that he or she shows
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  by self reporting oneself
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  on a ten forty form
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  or a ten forty one form
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  under contract affidavit
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  sworn as true,
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  correct,
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  and complete
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  under penalty of
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  perjury.
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  Unknown: The question. So what what is the theft prevention
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  program
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  under 28 CFR
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  twenty nine point point one zero?
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  I think that's the program you're talking about.
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  Unknown: For the driver's license
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  or the the license plate. Sorry. Pleasant plate.
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  Unknown: Possibly, they issue you a program decals,
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  which you
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  Unknown: remove.
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  Unknown: That's what That's the current tag.
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  The state the the yearly tag.
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  Unknown: Yeah. The the the little plastic thing you put on it that glows in the dark.
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  Okay.
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  Unknown: The annual
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  sticker that says the month on it, whatever, in the year. Right? Yep.
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  So that's what they call the motor vehicle theft prevention program?
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  Unknown: I don't know.
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  See how they see how they blow smoke up your tail and make you believe it? If
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  you look around anywhere in your county, your municipality,
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  even your state,
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  your state tag, they all say exempt.
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  How
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  can they be exempt and us not?
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  They blow smoke up your toe to make you believe that the death prevention
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  program is so that if your car gets stolen, that they can they can find it pretty easily. You think they're gonna find your car if somebody steals it?
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  Unknown: How do you get them or suck the smoke out of your tail?
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  Unknown: You're you're gullible. You're more gullible than I am,
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  and and I'm pretty gullible.
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  Yeah. Different
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  animals. That's for sure.
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  Unknown: Alright. Well, thank you.
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  Unknown: If you'll notice that regulation says,
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  if
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  necessary
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  by removing the license plate. Do you have to remove it? No. You don't have to remove it because those numbers that are on that plate itself,
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  if you look at that plate,
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  the license plate that's on your motor vehicle,
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  those numbers
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  are
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  registered
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  to you.
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  To your all caps name,
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  not necessarily to your
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  other.
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  But anyway, those numbers are registered to you.
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  You are now the owner on on that certificate
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  as the beneficiary
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  of anything that happens to that
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  to that plate.
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  But it says, if
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  necessary.
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  Do you have to do it? No. Because if is a big word. Right?
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  I don't know. I mean, I have to look the word up. Anyway,
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  if necessary
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  by removing the license plate.
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  Well, don't remove it. Just don't don't go and self report yourself. Oh, my my license plate is
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  out of date. Oh, I I have to go renew it for another year. I
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  gotta bow down to the
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  I gotta bow down to God.
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  Help.
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  Help. Help I
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  Unknown: wonder if you purchased 404.
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  An automobile with 21 copper rounds,
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  would that have the same effect as 21 silver dollars?
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  That's
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  Unknown: a very good question.
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  It because copper and silver,
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  that's
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  a good question.
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  Who
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  was it? Was Roger saying something about silver and copper this morning?
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  Unknown: I'm
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  not sure, but I know copper,
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  you know, has been, you know, lawful money forever.
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  They don't mention it in the,
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  you know,
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  in the constitution or wherever they have, you know, nine
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  what, 412
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  grains of of silver is a dollar and how many grains of gold,
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  but I know that,
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  you know, copper's been used for money here and around the world
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  forever,
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  and now they want to take it away.
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  They actually did. But,
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  you know, you can buy one ounce copper rounds,
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  and
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  it doesn't say it's lawful money, but it is.
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  You know?
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  And, you know, they demonetized
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  silver
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  and gold a long time ago, but it's still considered
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  lawful money. So I would think you could
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  do the same thing with a copper round that you can a silver dollar. Number again.
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  Unknown: $8.10
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  $4.05.
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  Yeah. That's a good that's a good point. Good question.
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  Nick, it's copper.
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  Mister
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  steel is copper.
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  Unknown: That's right, Jerry.
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  Mister Dave.
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  Unknown: Yes, sir. How are doing, Sam? 8108
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  Unknown: Oh, blessed. Hey. Was copper mentioned in the constitution as far as being legal and lawful tender?
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  Unknown: I don't believe that you mentioned copper. Only silver and gold. 413
• 29:07
  Unknown: That's correct. Yep.
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  Unknown: 810841.
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  But the the constitution
• 29:13
  Unknown: Oh, you're unswashed. Was a a coup d'etat,
• 29:18
  Unknown: you know, over the articles of confederation.
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  They they overthrew the state's sovereignty.
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  What did the articles
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  say about copper, silver, and gold or any any money or currency?
• 29:29
  Unknown: I have.
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  Unknown: That was what one of the problems they said
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  with the articles is that, you know, that's why they wanted to overthrow it.
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  You haven't had a 100% unanimous
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  to change anything,
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  and they couldn't run the
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  federal government like that.
• 29:48
  Eight one zero seven When you say the constitution,
• 29:51
  Unknown: you mean that that thing that was inspired by God?
• 29:57
  Unknown: Yeah. Gold, oil, and drugs.
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  Unknown: That's God.
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  Unknown: Alright. Great. Thank you. 34 attorneys
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  wrote that constitution,
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  and there weren't supposed to be any of them in our government.
• 30:14
  Unknown: Don't you mean 34 enlightened people that were sent
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  by God?
• 33:35
  Unknown: Hi.
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  I'm Miguel.
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  I think I need that.
• 35:44
  I definitely need to do something different though, though.
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  Need more power.
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  Hey, Dave.
• 36:44
  Hey, Brent. You're around?
• 36:57
  Unknown: I know Julie is not there.
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  Unknown: Here's the step.