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Reds-White Sox beef, Edwin Díaz struggling, John Mozeliak staying long-term in Anaheim? John Henry staying in Boston forever? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Different Friday, crew, I'm here there, Zenski, Kipness
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Speaker 1: and wet a different night on a Thursday. What what happened?
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Speaker 2: Wait? Wait? Wait? How did you get back from Antarctica
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Speaker 2: so fast?
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Speaker 1: I didn't. It took me two days.
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Speaker 3: Kid, you missed it. Scott was in Antarctica for a
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Speaker 3: couple I did, and then he was. Then he was
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Speaker 3: supposed to be back, Yester, what we play.
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Speaker 1: There's a problem though, because sometimes people can't take AJ's sarcasm,
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Speaker 1: so they might actually think that I was in Antarctica.
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Speaker 1: I was not, So please don't ask me for restaurant
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Speaker 1: suggestions out there. I don't know about the polar bear
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Speaker 1: secret restaurants, speakeasy that exists, or anything like that.
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Speaker 3: But well, the polar bears are in the Arctic, so
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Speaker 3: obviously you weren't in Antarctica because you would not see
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Speaker 3: a polar bear in Antarctica.
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Speaker 1: I said, don't ask, because I won't have an answer
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Speaker 1: and the answer would be wrong. The reason I say
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Speaker 1: this is because AJ at one point said I was somewhere.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was, but he said I
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Speaker 1: was somewhere. It was something Miami related. I want to say,
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Speaker 1: AJ that you said maybe a couple months ago, and
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Speaker 1: then everybody thought I was there for real, and I
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Speaker 1: was like, I'm really not there.
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Speaker 3: All people were dumb, was people are dumb? Do you
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Speaker 3: listen to me anything that I say, You're dumb?
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Speaker 1: Wait till we get to the Tigers segment later. But
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Speaker 1: before all of that, they loved me.
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Speaker 2: They loved me.
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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Field of Dreams game. What were
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Speaker 1: our thoughts here, Kip? Did did you know live up
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Speaker 1: to what you expected? Now that we've seen it a
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Speaker 1: few times, but we hadn't seen it in a little bit.
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Speaker 4: I always think it's fun. I always think it's very cool.
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Speaker 4: I got a Field of Dreams. That was my first
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Speaker 4: tattoo on the inside of my arm, the quote from there.
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Speaker 4: So I love just the look of it, the feel
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Speaker 4: of it. I love that they do it once a year,
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Speaker 4: so I was happy to see it again and seeing
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Speaker 4: one and a half shore bows with the help of
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Speaker 4: the right fielder on the second one a little bit
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Speaker 4: and then but no, just a good ball game again.
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Speaker 4: It's it's one of those ones where you just really
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Speaker 4: kind of take a step back and enjoyed the game
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Speaker 4: of baseball.
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Speaker 1: For me, how they do aj.
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Speaker 3: The game was boring. Uh Shoarberg. I should have bet
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Speaker 3: on Shorebert because you know he's gonna hit and run
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Speaker 3: in a special game. That should have been my lock.
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Speaker 2: The game was boring. They did great.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was interesting that they had all they
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Speaker 3: had twenty six Hall of Famers come out, which was
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Speaker 3: really cool. I thought they every time the players walk
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Speaker 3: out of the corn, it's really awesome.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: Listen, we've talked about these special games, and I was
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Speaker 3: at the first one, and the first one was so
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Speaker 3: good with the Tim Anderson walk off and the it
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Speaker 3: was the Yankees versus the White Sox, right, and it
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Speaker 3: was just an incredible game. And then the next year
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Speaker 3: it kind of lost a little luster. And then they
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Speaker 3: took a couple of years off and and Netflix tried
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Speaker 3: to make this feel like a big game, and the
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Speaker 3: Hall of Famers did that. But it's just so hard
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Speaker 3: because I don't know, I don't know, Okay, I mean,
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Speaker 3: I think it's really cool when we do these one
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Speaker 3: off games. It's just hard when you do the same
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Speaker 3: one over and over again, like the Williamsport one. To
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Speaker 3: me is different because you have the little leaguers, the right,
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Speaker 3: So you have all the little leaguers there, and that's
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Speaker 3: a different feel because the little leaguers are.
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Speaker 4: So into it.
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Speaker 2: I get that one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, But if you've never been to Dyersville, Iowa, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I think it's an unbelievably cool place. It's just so
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Speaker 3: hard to get to for the teams, for the fans,
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Speaker 3: for everybody.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know. I mean they're doing again next
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Speaker 2: year Royals and Red Sox. That'll be cool.
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Speaker 3: But you know, I love that everyone wanted, you know,
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Speaker 3: the Clemens boys wanted to play catch, but you know
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Speaker 3: it's hard to. It's hard to, you know, Roger, Cody, sorry,
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Speaker 3: my son and Austin and I did this first, so
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Speaker 3: we ended the first one doing this, so first broadcast,
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Speaker 3: so you know, way to try to keep up.
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Speaker 4: Boys. I think they're definitely gonna be trying to chase
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Speaker 4: that first game the first time they did it with
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Speaker 4: like you said, the Tim Madison walk off, that game
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Speaker 4: was perfect and you really can't match that with the
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Speaker 4: little leaguers there. There's obviously gonna be new little leaguers
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Speaker 4: there every year, so I think that's gonna be fun
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Speaker 4: and the excitement and just the interviews with the guys
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Speaker 4: in the crowd and stuff like that. I think as
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Speaker 4: long as they keep switching the teams that are doing it,
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Speaker 4: so each city kind of gets to enjoy it at
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Speaker 4: least one time, that'll allow them at least a little
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Speaker 4: bit of time until they can think of their next one.
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Speaker 4: But they gotta Yeah, I agree that sometimes you might
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Speaker 4: need to add in a one off somewhere else amongst
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Speaker 4: this one too to keep it fresh.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. That's cool.
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Speaker 2: It is cool.
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Speaker 3: And for players, you know this kid, when you get
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Speaker 3: to play in something different, it breaks up to monotony.
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Speaker 4: This season, it kind of reminds you. I mean, you
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Speaker 4: remember this if you go back, like your rookie season,
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Speaker 4: or like the first time you get to play at
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Speaker 4: every new stadium was awesome, Like just walking in there,
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Speaker 4: no matter what stadium it was, it was just the
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Speaker 4: first time for you. So I always thought that was
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Speaker 4: the coolest thing in the world. So I hope it
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Speaker 4: resets that for a lot of the big leaguers where
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Speaker 4: it's like, oh, this is a cool feeling again, like
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Speaker 4: a little butterflies and stuff like that. So I don't
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Speaker 4: know where else would be options. I don't know what
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Speaker 4: other kind of fun options they could think of, but
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Speaker 4: this was a good one. I'd like them to keep
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Speaker 4: keep going at it, though, keep going to the back
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Speaker 4: of the drawing board and think of cool stuff. Though.
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Speaker 4: I think fans can enjoy this.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I like the creative options. I want more of them.
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Speaker 1: Are you guys okay with doing this every year? Would
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Speaker 1: you rather have them come up with some other creative
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Speaker 1: options and just make remember they didn't do whatever?
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Speaker 2: I think it mixed us in every two to three just.
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Speaker 4: To keep it fresh, the specific one, this specific keep.
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Speaker 1: Mixing field teams. Yeah, yeah, Like I liked it better
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Speaker 1: that we hadn't seen it in what it had been
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Speaker 1: two years or one year, a few years.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's plenty of options. I
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Speaker 3: thought the race the race track one would have been
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Speaker 3: great if they didn't have the rain last year. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: I thought that would have been really cool. You know,
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Speaker 3: the the London series I got to go to was incredible. Uh,
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Speaker 3: if they could bounce it around I know at one
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Speaker 3: point they were talking about going to France to do it.
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Speaker 3: If you bounce it around, Spain, wherever you can do it,
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Speaker 3: like kind of like what the NFL does Germany. Things
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Speaker 3: like that are awesome just because it's different and you
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Speaker 3: and you get new fans and you get people that
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Speaker 3: want to travel. The problem is you have to pick
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Speaker 3: certain teams, right, because you can't have and I mean
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Speaker 3: this and I don't mean this any disrespect, everyone's going
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Speaker 3: to take it like this, Like you can't have the
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Speaker 3: smaller market teams like a Raise and a let's say
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Speaker 3: Pirates go over to play in wherever. You have to
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Speaker 3: have at least one of the big market teams so
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Speaker 3: people will travel and they get excited about it. I
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Speaker 3: think that's that's important, and that's why some of these
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Speaker 3: games are hard even next year. Right, the Royals and
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Speaker 3: the Red Sox, Right, the Royals and the Red Sox.
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Speaker 3: Royals are a smaller market, the Red Sox are a
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Speaker 3: bigger market, so Royals are somewhat close. They're one of
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Speaker 3: the blackout teams in Iowa, and then you have the
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Speaker 3: Red Sox coming in this year was the Phillies and
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Speaker 3: the Twins. Another blackedout team, the Twins, and then you
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Speaker 3: have the Phillies who are bigger markets.
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Speaker 2: So you have to kind of do it like this.
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Speaker 1: That's a good point. I didn't think about that. You
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Speaker 1: keep inviting the teams that you can't watch in that state. Right,
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Speaker 1: So if you're in Iowa and you don't get to
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Speaker 1: watch the Royals for a really dumb reason, then you
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Speaker 1: can go to the game and watch them one time.
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Speaker 3: Every time they've done it, it's been a blackout team,
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Speaker 3: the White Sox, the Cubs, the Royals, and the Twins.
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Speaker 1: All right, lay this out for us, AJA, It's not
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Speaker 1: just what happened. It's actually one of the better starters
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Speaker 1: on the White Sox who hadn't been as good in
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Speaker 1: the second half or in the after the first couple
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Speaker 1: months of the season pitching and then getting booted from
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Speaker 1: a game and then also the relievers coming in and
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Speaker 1: giving up more runs. So it might have cost the
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Speaker 1: White Sox a game they lost by a run. Davis
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Speaker 1: Martin ejected from a game throwing little buzz action to
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Speaker 1: Sal Stewart. So you guys started touching on this at
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Speaker 1: the end of the episode on Thursday, but give us
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Speaker 1: the full scope now on Friday of what you saw
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Speaker 1: and how both sides should feel. Well.
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Speaker 3: First of all, I think Davis Martin went on the
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Speaker 3: il with a blister today so that's that hurts the
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Speaker 3: White Sox as far as yesterday goes is if you
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Speaker 3: didn't see sal Stewart's first about he hit an absolute
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Speaker 3: freaking bomb off Davis Martin, who pimped it. And you
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Speaker 3: know what, that's the way game is played today. Davis
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Speaker 3: Martin didn't like he threw the first pitch over his head. Okay,
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Speaker 3: I listen. I like Davis Martin a lot. Davis Martin
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Speaker 3: has been on a boat cruise with me. He's a
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Speaker 3: great kid.
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Speaker 2: I love him.
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Speaker 3: He's tough as nails. He wants to be out there.
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Speaker 3: But you can't throw one over a guy's head and
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Speaker 3: then you can't hit him in the head the next pitch.
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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, he hit his helmet, right, So you threw two,
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Speaker 3: and that's what Sala Stewart's pissed about. Sala Stewart goes, hey, bleep, bleep,
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Speaker 3: that's two, right, So he threw two at his head.
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Speaker 3: Now one I normally only get one shot. Now he
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Speaker 3: got two shots and he hit him in the head.
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Speaker 2: Listen. I was thrown at a lot of times.
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Speaker 3: In my career. Very fortunate no one ever threw my head.
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Speaker 3: Did I get it in the back? The shoulder, the ribs,
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Speaker 3: the butt all the time. Right, Fine, you get up
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Speaker 3: in this area, you're messing with people's livelihood. Okay, And
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Speaker 3: did Davis Martin mean to do it?
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Speaker 2: He says he did it.
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Speaker 3: But when you throw two pitches up here when you're
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Speaker 3: down in a way kind of guy, right, Kip, that
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Speaker 3: shows you that, holy crap, something's not right here.
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Speaker 4: Well let's be clear, No, no guy's gonna come out
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Speaker 4: after doing that and be like, yeah, I meant to
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Speaker 4: do it, got them, or that's just going to add
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Speaker 4: to a suspension or anything like that. So I don't
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Speaker 4: I don't believe him either that he didn't mean to
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Speaker 4: do it, but uh, echoing off what or piggybacking off
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Speaker 4: what AJ said. It's like, your hurt feelings doesn't mean
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Speaker 4: I have to have a hurt concussion or a hurt head.
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Speaker 4: I think we a lot of the guys that play
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Speaker 4: this game enjoy the policing of the game, the self
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Speaker 4: policing of the game, and don't don't have a problem
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Speaker 4: with what comes next after a pimp job or something
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Speaker 4: like that, if it's worthy of it, if it calls
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Speaker 4: for it. So, but I think you just got to
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Speaker 4: keep it below the neck, and I mean we're going
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Speaker 4: to get into the just get him out. If you
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Speaker 4: can't get him out, then you got to deal with it.
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Speaker 4: So we have to deal with you guys screaming and
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Speaker 4: pumping your face off the mound. When you guys out,
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Speaker 4: sometimes you're going to get a pimp job off you.
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Speaker 4: Doesn't mean we get hitting the head for it, though.
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Speaker 4: So you guys have all there.
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Speaker 1: I cut you off.
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Speaker 4: The pictures have the control, they have the ball, they
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Speaker 4: have the weapon in their hands, so I mean it's
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Speaker 4: up to them. And it hurt. First off, well it
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Speaker 4: hurts like hell just even getting hit in the back
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Speaker 4: or the ass or the shin or something like that.
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Speaker 4: So it's not like your message isn't going to be sent.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't need to be above the neck.
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Speaker 3: True, that's the biggest thing I think Sal Stewar's mad about.
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Speaker 3: Like fine, but here's the thing. This is where we
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Speaker 3: get to a point where we talk about let the
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Speaker 3: kids play, right, we let the kids play. Well, it's
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Speaker 3: fine until someone gets their feelings hurt. And I'm not
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Speaker 3: saying Davis Martin got his feelings hurt. He threw out
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Speaker 3: him intentionally, Okay, but when someone gets their feelings hurt Kip.
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Speaker 3: Then a ball gets thrown at somebody and then we're like, oh, well,
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Speaker 3: we're not letting the kids play. He's mad because of
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Speaker 3: AB and C. You can't have it both ways. You
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Speaker 3: either let guys police it like he used to be,
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Speaker 3: or you do this and then you have these ejections
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Speaker 3: come up. Now Davis Martin got ejected. I'm sure well
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Speaker 3: Venable had to get ejected, right, because this isn't automatic.
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Speaker 3: If the pitcher goes, the manager goes, which means he'll
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Speaker 3: be suspended for the first game. I don't know if
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Speaker 3: that's true, but normally you get an automatic one game
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Speaker 3: suspension for these kind of things. So, I mean, sal
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Speaker 3: Stewer was pissed, and then the Reds went on to
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Speaker 3: beat the White Sox, which was the bigger story because honestly,
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Speaker 3: David Martin in pitch that great Fetti was supposed to
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Speaker 3: start today. He had to come in and relief, and
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Speaker 3: now the White Sox have to start Sean nukomb a
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Speaker 3: bullpend guy today and against the Tigers in Detroit in
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Speaker 3: a series that's really important all of a sudden, So
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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of things that happened. And
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Speaker 3: but again, just don't throw it up by my head.
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Speaker 3: Listen again, you want to throw at me, I do
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Speaker 3: something stupid, fine hit me.
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Speaker 2: I don't care.
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Speaker 3: I got hit plenty of times by a lot of people,
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Speaker 3: hall of famers to nobody's okay. But at the end
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Speaker 3: of the day, if you go up and here, that's
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Speaker 3: when we have a problem. You hit me anywhere else? Okay, Fine,
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Speaker 3: I did something stupid. I'll go to first and try
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Speaker 3: to kill the second basement.
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Speaker 4: I never would have guessed it would have been the
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Speaker 4: guy they picked out to hit Aja.
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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, yeah, exactly, And that's fine. I listen.
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Speaker 3: That was one of the reasons I did plenty of
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Speaker 3: dumb stuff and I never charged him out because I knew, Now,
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Speaker 3: did I play with guy Tory Hunter? Absolutely he would
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Speaker 3: go out there and go get a fool, right, But
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Speaker 3: that wasn't I'm like, ah, I did something dumb, all right,
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Speaker 3: I deserve.
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Speaker 2: It, and I move on and that's it.
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Speaker 3: So but then there were guys that just couldn't handle
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Speaker 3: it and they wanted to go fight.
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Speaker 2: Fine, let's fight.
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Speaker 3: But I don't know as long again, they never got
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Speaker 3: up here, they would have gotten up here. I never
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Speaker 3: got hit in the head, I never got in the face.
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Speaker 3: It would have been a different story getting hit in
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Speaker 3: the back of the ribs. Fine, I'll move on because
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Speaker 3: you know what, I didn't walk Kip, so I had
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Speaker 3: to get on base somehow, and it was by getting hit.
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Speaker 4: And we're in agreeance.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's a big difference between random time
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Speaker 1: in a game, two strike pitch. It's a good game.
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Speaker 1: Guy gets hit, thinks that he was hit on purpose,
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Speaker 1: versus guy hits a homer, pimps it. Then next day
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Speaker 1: b twice you're buzzing him like I don't care if
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Speaker 1: you didn't have the control. You're a big league pitcher.
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Speaker 1: You have to figure out how to not do that
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Speaker 1: otherwise in a problem, twice in a row.
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Speaker 3: Tw twice two pitches in a row, not even like
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Speaker 3: two in a row. It was not one in the
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Speaker 3: beginning of about one of the end of that.
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Speaker 2: It was few.
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Speaker 3: And then the second one hit him in the helmet,
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Speaker 3: I mean knocked his helmet. I'll hit the brim of
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Speaker 3: his cap.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, at some point, We've talked about this many times
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Speaker 1: in the show. It doesn't matter if you feel like
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Speaker 1: you're doing something by accident. You can't hit it dude
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Speaker 1: in the face. If you hit a dude in the
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Speaker 1: face once a game, guess what, You're not going to
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Speaker 1: be in the league long. It's just how it works.
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Speaker 1: So you got to pitture.
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Speaker 2: Their own teammates.
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Speaker 3: Your own teammates will start fighting you, right, Kip, because
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Speaker 3: no one of them is going to start getting hit,
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Speaker 3: and in your own teammates are gonna say, hey, man,
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Speaker 3: figure this out because I'm getting hit and it hurts,
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Speaker 3: So now we're going to fight your own teammates.
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Speaker 4: That's kind of brings back into that old Chase Utley
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Speaker 4: story that I love where he actually, I think Puig
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Speaker 4: and someone else some picture on when he was on
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Speaker 4: the Dodgers was doing stuff and he told the catcher
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Speaker 4: to hit him so that he knew that he could
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Speaker 4: go to Puig and be like, see what you're doing,
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Speaker 4: see what you're causing. I'm not doing it just as
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Speaker 4: this story because I don't have the down to memory,
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Speaker 4: but along those lines where it's like once other guys
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Speaker 4: start getting hit, people start getting pissed off, because it's
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Speaker 4: one thing if it's for our own actions, aj like
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Speaker 4: you said, if I get a home run or something.
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Speaker 4: If I do something stupid, I've gotten hit for it too.
14:57
Speaker 4: If I'm getting hit for your stuff. Now we're gonna
14:59
Speaker 4: have a little bit more of a talk.
15:01
Speaker 3: To meet you young or not to meet your young.
15:03
Speaker 3: Delman Young? Remember Deman Young. I think he was on
15:05
Speaker 3: the Twins. They were playing the Tigers. He got hit
15:07
Speaker 3: and he didn't yell at the other team. He went
15:09
Speaker 3: in his dugout and was yelling at their guys. I
15:11
Speaker 3: don't know if you remember that, but he was pissed right.
15:13
Speaker 3: He got hit and he threw his bat and I
15:15
Speaker 3: think they were on the first base doug line, first
15:18
Speaker 3: base dugout. He went over to his dugout was like, hey, dudes,
15:20
Speaker 3: like this is because of y'all's stupid butts, and so yeah,
15:24
Speaker 3: that was That was perfect.
15:26
Speaker 4: It's an awesome story though, so I'm not again not
15:29
Speaker 4: doing it justice. So anybody wants to hear the rest
15:31
Speaker 4: of her. Look it up. The chase outley with the
15:32
Speaker 4: Dodgers kind of telling the catcher to hit him so
15:34
Speaker 4: he can go back to his dugout and be like,
15:36
Speaker 4: you guys are getting me hit. Clean it the hell up,
15:38
Speaker 4: and like it's really it's such a veteran move. It's
15:42
Speaker 4: it's an awesome story though true.
15:46
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, my teammates were like hit him. To me, They're like,
15:50
Speaker 3: I did it? Just hit him?
15:51
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, fine.
15:54
Speaker 1: AJ loves his on base percent that much that he
16:01
Speaker 1: would take the hit for his teammates and for his bad.
16:04
Speaker 4: Hey, if we're zero for three, we're like, come get us.
16:08
Speaker 2: Please please, oh too.
16:11
Speaker 4: I want to see first base.
16:14
Speaker 1: In the break here for the TV crowd, but talking
16:16
Speaker 1: to YouTube will shout out some big performances. Braxton Ashcraft
16:19
Speaker 1: have a year complete game three hitter, one run, one walk,
16:23
Speaker 1: ten strikeouts, dominated the Marlins Pirates needing to pick up
16:26
Speaker 1: dubbs left and right, and why partially because AJ covered
16:31
Speaker 1: this on the show the other day. Kip. The Pirates
16:33
Speaker 1: are nine and sixteen and Paul Skeen starts. Ashcraft has
16:36
Speaker 1: been awesome for them, but most of the pitching has
16:39
Speaker 1: had its issues, right Mitch Keller's down for the year.
16:41
Speaker 1: Bullpen's been mostly terrible for the Pirates. Man, if they
16:44
Speaker 1: had decent pitching, which is what we thought they would have,
16:47
Speaker 1: they would be much more in the mix.
16:49
Speaker 4: They got some flame throwers and I think they're starting
16:52
Speaker 4: to learn that even with some of these guys pitching
16:56
Speaker 4: to their capability, because I don't think Skeens is pitched
16:58
Speaker 4: fully to his capability, which is weird to even say
17:01
Speaker 4: already because I know his vilo has been down throughout
17:03
Speaker 4: this year. But it's like, if they can get a
17:05
Speaker 4: little bit of a lineup to match some of these pitching,
17:08
Speaker 4: some of these starters, they got something there. But I
17:11
Speaker 4: think it's always either or it's like they have a
17:13
Speaker 4: lineup or no pitching. They have pitching and no lineup.
17:15
Speaker 4: So if it ever matches up they did. They need
17:18
Speaker 4: some bats, but they got some some hard throwing guys
17:21
Speaker 4: on on that starting staff Pittsburgh. M h, he's fat, young,
17:25
Speaker 4: too young, too.
17:27
Speaker 3: Games is too fat. That's why they bought everyone's.
17:31
Speaker 4: Yeah, you need you need a little cushion. You can't
17:33
Speaker 4: pull fat.
17:34
Speaker 3: How many Sabathia was one of the big Did you
17:37
Speaker 3: did you play with Cec?
17:38
Speaker 2: I mean he was large.
17:41
Speaker 4: Man, he said, even said he got in shape and
17:44
Speaker 4: he couldn't throw. When he got in shape, he said
17:46
Speaker 4: he was bet he needed to be fat to throw.
17:50
Speaker 1: Hey, two minutes here. K Cabali is on fire lately.
17:53
Speaker 1: Eight innings, one hit, two walks, ten k's and he
17:57
Speaker 1: shut down an offense that's been clicking lately. I'm wearing
18:00
Speaker 1: the PCA shirt two, by the way, so this is
18:02
Speaker 1: the time to shout it out, I think, Kip, but
18:05
Speaker 1: there it is. Well you got to see that. But
18:10
Speaker 1: he shut him down. Cake Valley looked really good yesterday
18:13
Speaker 1: against the Cubs.
18:15
Speaker 4: He did. No, he did. And that's not the easiest
18:18
Speaker 4: of lineups because they put the ball in play, they
18:20
Speaker 4: work at bats, and they get on base and draw walks.
18:22
Speaker 4: There's usually always creating traffic. He didn't even let them
18:25
Speaker 4: create traffic because that's one of their their strengths. Kind
18:29
Speaker 4: of as a Cubs lineup, I think they forced the
18:31
Speaker 4: pressure and they have speed throughout the lineup one through nine,
18:33
Speaker 4: and god, I don't even they barely touched second base
18:36
Speaker 4: if I remember.
18:39
Speaker 1: No, No into the seventh.
18:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know how I knew he was gonna
18:44
Speaker 3: pitch good because I picked him to go over.
18:45
Speaker 2: That's how I should have known.
18:48
Speaker 3: And I made a joke a Cake of all he
18:49
Speaker 3: could go eight and they'd give up nine in the ninth,
18:51
Speaker 3: and so he said, screw, I'm just gonna go nine.
18:54
Speaker 3: Good for you, Kate, because I love the mustag. Yeah,
18:57
Speaker 3: and that boy is good. No he went eight?
19:02
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, yeah what Ashcraft went nine? But still, I
19:06
Speaker 1: mean he only gave the bullpen one in to work
19:09
Speaker 1: with to keep it eying.
19:10
Speaker 4: I like, I like seeing Pitcher starting to go more,
19:13
Speaker 4: go the distance a little bit, stretching it back out.
19:15
Speaker 4: Actually really am enjoying. I'm hoping it goes back to that.
19:21
Speaker 1: The Seattle Mariners demoted Colt Emerson one day. He might
19:24
Speaker 1: be great this year though, one ninety two forty six
19:27
Speaker 1: OVP three thirty five slug a lot of strikeouts, and
19:31
Speaker 1: there's actually a legit hole at the position.
19:33
Speaker 4: Aja.
19:33
Speaker 1: Did you see how the Mariners were trying to get
19:36
Speaker 1: Zach Netto at the trade deadline? Because right now, I
19:38
Speaker 1: mean JP Crawford's out and Emerson's down, they would have
19:42
Speaker 1: liked to have someone like Zach Meadow in that lineup.
19:46
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, Well, JP Crawford can't play shortstop apparently anymore either,
19:50
Speaker 3: because I again I did their game a couple weeks ago.
19:52
Speaker 3: On all they were talking about he was playing third
19:53
Speaker 3: base and he wasn't hitting, and he couldn't play shortstop.
19:56
Speaker 3: So this is the guy they're counting on. It hasn't
19:59
Speaker 3: worked in Seattle this year for whatever reason you want
20:01
Speaker 3: to throw it out there, Listen, I don't know why. Yeah,
20:07
Speaker 3: it's not ever since fault. But he did sign a
20:08
Speaker 3: nice contract Kip, so that's good for him.
20:11
Speaker 4: He's got that security that is nice. But again I
20:13
Speaker 4: tell people that first off, this guy's a good player.
20:15
Speaker 4: I think he's actually I still believe in him. I
20:17
Speaker 4: still think it's going to be a good player. I think,
20:19
Speaker 4: look no further than this. I tell people there's two guys,
20:23
Speaker 4: Mike Trout and Jose Ramirez. Both were sent down. Both
20:27
Speaker 4: didn't do it on their first tries, first time coming
20:29
Speaker 4: up and stay. They both had to get sent back
20:30
Speaker 4: down kind of tweak some things and then came up
20:32
Speaker 4: and turned into the players that are household names. So
20:35
Speaker 4: I think this guy will come back up and have
20:37
Speaker 4: a much better second go round at it. So I
20:38
Speaker 4: think he just needs to go back kind to catch
20:40
Speaker 4: his breath and retweak some things and come back with
20:42
Speaker 4: a new new focus.
20:44
Speaker 1: Another topic in does anyone want to win the Al West?
20:47
Speaker 1: Jacob de gram tricep fatigue. He exited early, so he's down.
20:52
Speaker 1: We'll see what the diagnosis is Nathan Evaldi's on the
20:55
Speaker 1: il Rangers in a tough spot. Sean McFarland was on
20:58
Speaker 1: our show yesterday if you want to hear more about
20:59
Speaker 1: what's going on with them. But man, the lane just
21:01
Speaker 1: continues to stay open for the astros. Hey, let's see, geek,
21:08
Speaker 1: let's look ahead at the weekend. Anything special here? I mean,
21:12
Speaker 1: Paul Skeen is back on the mound on Sunday afternoon
21:14
Speaker 1: after getting stupid attention this week for enjoying a day
21:19
Speaker 1: off at the beach. And yes, he's not pitching as
21:21
Speaker 1: well as we expect him to this week, but he'll
21:23
Speaker 1: be back on the mound and I don't know my
21:25
Speaker 1: money's on him pitching. Well, i'd want to be at
21:27
Speaker 1: that one. I think he's he's got a little fire.
21:29
Speaker 2: Aj I mean, what an idiot?
21:33
Speaker 3: I mean, geeesh, you know I had not looked fat.
21:35
Speaker 3: Don't stand next to Livy dun in a bikini. That's
21:37
Speaker 3: how you don't.
21:39
Speaker 1: You might have to tell everyone you're being sarcastic. That
21:42
Speaker 1: no other He's not being idiots for not knowing what
21:45
Speaker 1: it takes to pitch in the major leagues. You do
21:48
Speaker 1: not have to look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.
21:52
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Kip, but every shredded pitcher
21:54
Speaker 3: I ever saw that usually end up getting hurt for
21:56
Speaker 3: at some point for something. Most pitchers had a little
21:59
Speaker 3: bit of fat, they had dad bodies and it was
22:01
Speaker 3: great clean Kershaw, Bartolo Cologne, Paul Skeens. There's there's a
22:05
Speaker 3: long list of these guys that didn't look like Greek god.
22:08
Speaker 3: So I have no problem with it. But listen, Sunday's
22:10
Speaker 3: a day man Skiing's pitching, Freddy Pea's pitching, Soroka's pitching
22:13
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, Schoobl's pitching, Brian Woover's Hunter Brown in a
22:16
Speaker 3: huge series, Seattle in Houston. Sunday's a day pick a literally, well,
22:21
Speaker 3: he pitched good now against Yankees. I know, I know,
22:24
Speaker 3: so I know he's on the road, But I mean
22:27
Speaker 3: there's some good, good matchups this weekend with a lot
22:30
Speaker 3: of playoff implications. Let's not forget the White Sox at
22:33
Speaker 3: Detroit either, So uh, there's some there's some big matchups
22:36
Speaker 3: this weekend. Sean Burke has been dealing, by the way,
22:39
Speaker 3: if you haven't watched him pitch lately.
22:41
Speaker 4: He has been I think it's fair to say we're
22:42
Speaker 4: out at the dog days. We're getting into some fun baseball. Now.
22:45
Speaker 4: You can almost push up. It's like September baseball. Let's
22:47
Speaker 4: move it up to mid August. Right now, these are
22:49
Speaker 4: starting to be some meaningful games.
22:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you're a Blue Jays fan, hey, I
22:53
Speaker 1: mean you might kind of be back in this depending
22:55
Speaker 1: on how things go the next week or so to
22:58
Speaker 1: see if you, you know, can hang around the schedule
23:01
Speaker 1: team talk about it. Every team, Well, technically I think
23:05
Speaker 1: it's twenty one out of thirty entering today, or within
23:07
Speaker 1: three and a half games of a spot, So two
23:09
Speaker 1: thirds of the league is still why Yeah, Now in
23:12
Speaker 1: the NBA, it's like all but three teams are in
23:14
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23:17
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23:19
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23:22
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23:47
Speaker 1: Time News on two executives. We'll do Angels after. We
23:50
Speaker 1: start with the Red Sox. Red Sox president and CEO
23:53
Speaker 1: for a long time now. Sam Kennedy believes that John Henry,
23:56
Speaker 1: the owner, is never selling the Red Sox. He said,
23:59
Speaker 1: John Henry, Linda Henry, the Henry family are never selling
24:03
Speaker 1: the Red Sox. I bet anything on that. He was
24:06
Speaker 1: asked on one of the radio shows the other day.
24:09
Speaker 1: I'm forgetting the name, but I'll plug it later. So
24:12
Speaker 1: I'm going to guess without hearing context of that show.
24:15
Speaker 1: It was brought up in relation to aj the Lakers
24:19
Speaker 1: being sold and Mark Walter, the owner of the Dodgers,
24:23
Speaker 1: getting questions. I mean, not that he's fielding the questions,
24:25
Speaker 1: but getting those questions. We're going to do a segment
24:27
Speaker 1: on that later. But thoughts on John Henry owning this
24:32
Speaker 1: team for life and the Henry family just like maybe
24:35
Speaker 1: the Steinberger family might own the Yankees for life.
24:38
Speaker 3: Well, the difference is the Steinbergers actually are more of
24:41
Speaker 3: a family. And I don't know why this thing keeps
24:43
Speaker 3: going down behind me all the time's.
24:44
Speaker 1: Going your projector something's going on. It's actually kind of cool. Yeah, yeah,
24:54
Speaker 1: my projector is messing with.
24:56
Speaker 2: My Scott is not here, my projector.
25:00
Speaker 1: It misses me.
25:01
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, this is not a surprise.
25:04
Speaker 3: And by the way, this just shows you how much
25:06
Speaker 3: money they're making and how much fun they're having owning
25:08
Speaker 3: the Red Sox.
25:09
Speaker 2: Remember we were.
25:10
Speaker 3: Talking about, Oh, how he doesn't They were talking earlier
25:12
Speaker 3: in the year, Oh, we don't have any money.
25:14
Speaker 2: We can't get free agents.
25:15
Speaker 3: They must be doing some right if John Henry doesn't
25:18
Speaker 3: want to sell it, because if he wasn't making enough money,
25:19
Speaker 3: guess what he'd be doing put this thing on the market,
25:22
Speaker 3: especially after the Yankees just valued a ten billion, he
25:26
Speaker 3: could probably get eight or nine for the Red Sox, right, Jeremy.
25:30
Speaker 1: He's printing cash. Jeremy's not on the show today, he's
25:33
Speaker 1: our director. But he did point out that the Greg
25:35
Speaker 1: Hill Show is where this statement was made. But yes, Kip,
25:38
Speaker 1: I mean, we have a few franchises that definitely want
25:42
Speaker 1: to sell right after the lockout ends whenever that is,
25:45
Speaker 1: but this is not one of them. John Henry's printing cash.
25:48
Speaker 1: Red Sox are actually in a pretty good spot right now,
25:51
Speaker 1: and it's a beloved franchise. It's got the legacy factor
25:55
Speaker 1: to it. They know how to make money, they've got
25:57
Speaker 1: it all working for them. Would they like to see
26:00
Speaker 1: more success in the near future, sure, but they've actually
26:03
Speaker 1: won a lot of titles in the last what thirty years.
26:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is one of the most profitable organizations I
26:09
Speaker 4: think in the past twenty thirty years. Yeah. You saw
26:12
Speaker 4: the Lakers go up two billion in thirty days was
26:15
Speaker 4: it between their two sales. So I don't think he
26:17
Speaker 4: has any reason too. This isn't one of the ones
26:21
Speaker 4: where I look at like, Okay, they need to sell
26:24
Speaker 4: there never do anything, whether it's the Oakland and Colorado
26:27
Speaker 4: the whoever where just like they kind of seem they
26:29
Speaker 4: just stand put and collect their money. They do make moves.
26:33
Speaker 4: It just hasn't been a this year, I guess, or
26:35
Speaker 4: where they didn't have money for the deadline. But these
26:39
Speaker 4: owners are just handover foot money don't more than what
26:42
Speaker 4: they know what to do with. So, especially with Boston,
26:44
Speaker 4: there's no reason too, So I'm not it's almost this
26:47
Speaker 4: is like no news on this one where it's like no,
26:49
Speaker 4: no dub. This guy's not going to sell.
26:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Boston has quickly turned things around. I know
26:55
Speaker 1: they had a rough week, right they lost five in
26:56
Speaker 1: a row that was actually snapped. They did pick up
26:59
Speaker 1: that last game in this series, say J Peyton Totley,
27:01
Speaker 1: speaking of going deep into outings, he went eight innings,
27:04
Speaker 1: pitch good, love it, love it. Bring on those eight
27:09
Speaker 1: and nine. Yes, yeah, eight. Like, let's not get greedy.
27:15
Speaker 1: We got one complete game yesterday, but we got a
27:17
Speaker 1: couple of eights. We take the eight from totally. They
27:19
Speaker 1: did lose Garrett Whitlock, at least on the short term.
27:21
Speaker 1: He spoke. He he told the media like he doesn't
27:24
Speaker 1: think it's a big deal. He's not even getting an MRI.
27:26
Speaker 1: That actually does hold some merit for me. He's confidence
27:29
Speaker 1: it's not a major surgery requiring problem. That doesn't mean
27:32
Speaker 1: that's the case. But you know, ag, we've done enough
27:35
Speaker 1: of these where we cover injuries every day. A lot
27:37
Speaker 1: of times the guys don't say much. He actually went
27:39
Speaker 1: out and was like, I think I'm gonna be okay,
27:41
Speaker 1: give me a couple of weeks here.
27:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good sign for the Red Sox and
27:45
Speaker 2: for the Red Sox fans, But can they keep this up?
27:50
Speaker 3: I mean the Red Sox the way they're playing right now,
27:52
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the postseason. But can they
27:53
Speaker 3: keep this up and stay this hot? That's the hardest
27:55
Speaker 3: thing is Kip knows to keep this hotness going for
27:59
Speaker 3: you get so hot at a time that you're due
28:01
Speaker 3: for a little bit of a regression. I mean, they
28:03
Speaker 3: have a five game lead in the Wild Card. They're
28:05
Speaker 3: gonna more than likely be in the postseason unless collapse happens.
28:09
Speaker 2: But yeah, can they keep this up?
28:11
Speaker 3: And by the way, the Rangers losing Evaldi into Grom
28:13
Speaker 3: in a what forty eight hour span, I mean almost
28:17
Speaker 3: is it toombstone time for the for the Rangers.
28:21
Speaker 1: They're right there to.
28:25
Speaker 4: Piggyback off age. I think it was whether it's eighteen
28:27
Speaker 4: or nineteen when Cleveland we had like the twenty two
28:29
Speaker 4: game win streak, and then it's your by sheer numbers
28:34
Speaker 4: of regression, it's gonna happen where you're gonna start losing games,
28:37
Speaker 4: just by the law of averages in this game of baseball.
28:40
Speaker 4: So there's enough time where I think they're going to
28:44
Speaker 4: go down and they have time to come back up.
28:45
Speaker 4: I think where they're going to catch their footing. I
28:48
Speaker 4: think they get so used to winning and they kind
28:49
Speaker 4: of which is a great thing. You want every team
28:52
Speaker 4: you play on to get used to winning. You want
28:53
Speaker 4: to show up to the ballpark expecting to win. And
28:55
Speaker 4: I think that's what they got into, and they're learning
28:57
Speaker 4: how to win all different types of ways. I think
28:59
Speaker 4: it's just going to take a little bit back to
29:00
Speaker 4: get their wills turner in again.
29:02
Speaker 1: And then I want to spend two minutes on a
29:04
Speaker 1: team that is still learning how to win, a franchise
29:06
Speaker 1: that is still learning how to win. There was a
29:09
Speaker 1: story put out by Katie Wu on John Mizzelac, who
29:12
Speaker 1: is helping out the front office right now for the Angels.
29:15
Speaker 1: They did those firings of some pitching coaches the other day,
29:17
Speaker 1: which she wrote after decades with the Cardinals, a re
29:20
Speaker 1: energized John Mizzaelac believes he can fix the Angels. He's
29:24
Speaker 1: doing so with aggression and transparency due to Anaheim in
29:26
Speaker 1: a stark contrast from his operations in Saint Louis, and
29:31
Speaker 1: later in there she does mention how he intends to
29:34
Speaker 1: hire a general manager. Timeline is fluid nor performal interviews
29:38
Speaker 1: have taken place, and she said in the article, rival
29:41
Speaker 1: executives believe that Miszaylak's going to stay on longer than
29:44
Speaker 1: the duration of his contract, which runs through the end
29:47
Speaker 1: of this calendar year. Nobody loves short term contracts more
29:50
Speaker 1: than owner Arty Moreno, and this is going to be
29:53
Speaker 1: the ultimate moment for Arty to test if he cares
29:57
Speaker 1: aj because he's going to have a lockout. Stand at
30:00
Speaker 1: him in the face where we'll miss at least January February.
30:02
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not games, but there'll be some spring
30:04
Speaker 1: training action, I guess. I mean, I'm at least thinking
30:06
Speaker 1: that way. So there's not going to be any activity, right,
30:09
Speaker 1: you can't do signings, trades, all of that. Raise your
30:12
Speaker 1: hand if you think that John Mozzelac will stay with
30:15
Speaker 1: the Angels organization, or if he'll have to go through
30:17
Speaker 1: a hiatus while they go through the lockout so that
30:21
Speaker 1: already can save as many months as it takes. You
30:25
Speaker 1: don't think he'll do that. You don't think he'll say.
30:26
Speaker 3: Hey, I think John will do I don't think John
30:28
Speaker 3: Moselac will do it. I think John mosela will be like, wow,
30:31
Speaker 3: I had fun doing this. Is there another opening I
30:33
Speaker 3: can go phill? That's what I think if this is
30:36
Speaker 3: what it comes down to. But I mean the fact
30:39
Speaker 3: that John Moselak is back in baseball after when I
30:42
Speaker 3: talked to him in Saint Louis last year and he's like, man,
30:44
Speaker 3: I need a break, and then bam he's back in
30:46
Speaker 3: it and he's re energized.
30:47
Speaker 2: Good for you, mo Good for you.
30:49
Speaker 3: Now put the bow tie back on like Ken Rosenthal
30:51
Speaker 3: and really get.
30:54
Speaker 1: No, he's a new man, he's.
30:55
Speaker 4: A Are you happy about this? Scotti?
31:00
Speaker 1: As an Angels fan, if I put myself in their shoes, yes,
31:03
Speaker 1: John Mozelac to me is a huge difference from some
31:06
Speaker 1: other situations. And here's the biggest part of it, Kip.
31:08
Speaker 1: You might not agree with every single decision he makes,
31:11
Speaker 1: but I do think he can actually stand up to
31:13
Speaker 1: the owner who often hovers over this team and makes
31:16
Speaker 1: bone headed decisions. I think that's the big part of this,
31:19
Speaker 1: right Talking the owner into selling a few pieces at
31:21
Speaker 1: a trade deadline, talking the owner into making some front
31:24
Speaker 1: office changes, maybe spending a little bit more on your
31:26
Speaker 1: baseball operations department. There's just a lot of things that
31:29
Speaker 1: need to change. There, and the problem has been getting
31:32
Speaker 1: the approval over time, right or saying, hey, let me
31:35
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31:38
Speaker 1: have a good time and let me handle things. I
31:41
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31:42
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31:45
Speaker 1: Moe's had a decorated career and he's made plenty of money.
31:50
Speaker 2: He has he has, isn't it plenty of money? Is
31:55
Speaker 2: that a nice career?
31:56
Speaker 3: He's one World Series and the Cardinal fan Tatum, I
32:00
Speaker 3: don't understand it.
32:00
Speaker 1: But I don't understand that either. I mean, if you
32:03
Speaker 1: have a disliking towards him as a Cardinals fan, like,
32:06
Speaker 1: what is the point of rooting for your team? You
32:10
Speaker 1: want a World Series?
32:11
Speaker 4: Right?
32:12
Speaker 2: Man?
32:12
Speaker 4: They had a lot of success.
32:14
Speaker 2: Wait, you know he was Was he there in No. Six?
32:16
Speaker 2: Or was that Jockety? Well, Jockety still.
32:19
Speaker 1: Might have been Jockety, but then he was there and
32:22
Speaker 1: eleven eleven? Yeah, I mean I can find that as
32:26
Speaker 1: we go, and he might have been in the front office.
32:27
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he was stuff. Yeah, But
32:33
Speaker 1: either way, I mean, there's got to be an appreciation
32:35
Speaker 1: factor here and there is, I think there is. You know,
32:38
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're in the thick of it, you know,
32:40
Speaker 1: fans are like, hey, we're not good this second. But yeah,
32:43
Speaker 1: a thirty year tenure. He joined that club in nineteen
32:46
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32:50
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32:54
Speaker 1: he got eleven. Yeah, So after that, technically so jockety
32:58
Speaker 1: was still was still there if I have that right, but.
33:03
Speaker 2: He got so he got eleven though, he did get eleven.
33:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he was obviously, I mean at least a
33:07
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33:10
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33:14
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33:16
Speaker 1: question in a long way, this is a win to
33:18
Speaker 1: have him involved as little as possible. And I want
33:20
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33:23
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33:25
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33:28
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33:31
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33:33
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34:55
Speaker 1: the headliner here, aj Edwin Diaz. What's going on and
34:58
Speaker 1: why not just go to another option. I know that
35:01
Speaker 1: there are some strugglers in the bullpen right now for
35:04
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, but Tanner Scott's been pretty good.
35:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
35:11
Speaker 3: Dave Roberts said, nobody's been pitching very well in the bullpen,
35:14
Speaker 3: so they listen. They signed Edwin Diaz to a huge contract.
35:17
Speaker 3: They don't want to give up on him. The one
35:18
Speaker 3: thing about the Dodgers is they have some leeway here,
35:22
Speaker 3: but they might not get that buy if they don't
35:23
Speaker 3: start playing better, which we know they won without the
35:26
Speaker 3: bye last year. But also, let's not forget this, the
35:29
Speaker 3: Dodgers are not a perfect team. Even with all the
35:31
Speaker 3: things that people say and all the spending and this
35:33
Speaker 3: and that, they are not a perfect team, and Edwin
35:36
Speaker 3: Diaz owned up to it. I give them credit for that,
35:38
Speaker 3: but Edwin Diaz has to pitch better. They have to
35:40
Speaker 3: get healthy. This is not a perfect team.
35:44
Speaker 1: Is it time to move him out of there? Then
35:45
Speaker 1: he's blown three of his last four appearances here, So
35:48
Speaker 1: are you gonna pitch onn we where earlier in the game,
35:52
Speaker 1: lower leverage, not in the ninth Why just to get
35:55
Speaker 1: him back in the flow of things. He's barely pitched
35:56
Speaker 1: this year. No, how many more blown saves does it
35:59
Speaker 1: take before you say, hey, let's just cool off for
36:02
Speaker 1: a sec.
36:03
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I can't answer this one, and then I'm
36:04
Speaker 3: gonna then I'm gonna destroy you.
36:06
Speaker 2: Scott.
36:09
Speaker 4: It's tough. I know where A is kind of going
36:12
Speaker 4: with this. You don't listen. You got this guy to
36:15
Speaker 4: be your closer, that's closer. Would would everybody in a
36:19
Speaker 4: perfect world like him to be pitching better? And would you,
36:21
Speaker 4: as a Dodgers like to know what you have coming
36:23
Speaker 4: out of the bullpen in the ninth inning that you
36:25
Speaker 4: can rely on. Of course, it didn't work as easy though,
36:29
Speaker 4: Scott as moving this guy to low leverage innings, It's
36:31
Speaker 4: still three outs that he has to get that's the problem.
36:33
Speaker 4: He's just not getting those three outs. So I think
36:37
Speaker 4: that could even do more damage. Maybe taking him out there,
36:40
Speaker 4: taking him out of it. I think once you take
36:42
Speaker 4: him out of it, though, that might be what you
36:46
Speaker 4: do the rest of the way. I think Tanner Scott
36:48
Speaker 4: might be your closer to the rest of the way.
36:49
Speaker 4: So I think if that's gonna be your decision, I
36:51
Speaker 4: think he still has a couple more times. If it
36:54
Speaker 4: doesn't change, If it keeps going this way, I think
36:58
Speaker 4: it changes. It is time to be made, and I
37:00
Speaker 4: think he doesn't have any leverage to stand on. He
37:02
Speaker 4: if he's a team guy, he should understand why the
37:04
Speaker 4: change is being made. But I think three out of
37:07
Speaker 4: four is not enough to just change your closer right there.
37:11
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you kid for explaining to the non
37:13
Speaker 3: player that he didn't understand that there's psyches and it's
37:15
Speaker 3: real people involved here, Scottie. And if you loose, here's
37:19
Speaker 3: what I think will happen. And this would never happen.
37:22
Speaker 3: This should never happen. He might get a blister, he
37:25
Speaker 3: might get a hammy, he might get a sore forearm.
37:28
Speaker 3: For a little while where he can go on a
37:30
Speaker 3: little rehab start, maybe a little rehab dang, and try
37:34
Speaker 3: to get some innings because he missed spring training and
37:36
Speaker 3: he missed so much time.
37:39
Speaker 4: That's where you would work on stuff.
37:42
Speaker 1: Not the SENTI you're gonna phantom I l him for
37:45
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks.
37:46
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I didn't say that. You said that.
37:49
Speaker 2: I didn't say that.
37:50
Speaker 1: I mean it's already mid August. You phantom iel him.
37:53
Speaker 1: Now we're already into September. So does it matter.
37:59
Speaker 2: If they pay for that?
38:02
Speaker 1: They're still playing for some things. They Hey, they want
38:04
Speaker 1: to get a buye. You don't think the buy matters
38:06
Speaker 1: none of that.
38:08
Speaker 6: No, I think ideas go a ja.
38:12
Speaker 3: No, you're right, you can't get the buy. You can't
38:14
Speaker 3: get the buye if even if you have the buy
38:16
Speaker 3: or not. I think they need Edwin Diaz to be
38:19
Speaker 3: good if they want to win. Yeah, I still have
38:21
Speaker 3: an eight game lead.
38:22
Speaker 1: No, I'm not worried about the division. I mean for them,
38:25
Speaker 1: the more important thing in the National League is do
38:27
Speaker 1: you have one of the top two seats. And that's
38:29
Speaker 1: no short thing here. You've got the Brewers, You've got
38:31
Speaker 1: the Braids, even the Cubs with an outside chance here
38:35
Speaker 1: or not even that outside. So AJ let's say over
38:38
Speaker 1: the next four days, five days, Diaz has two bad outings. Again,
38:43
Speaker 1: you think there's a better chance that he ends up
38:46
Speaker 1: fixing some little injury issue, whether it's a real thing
38:50
Speaker 1: or not, and doing rehab appearances or saying, hey, we're
38:53
Speaker 1: gonna have your pitch in the fifth inning or sixth
38:55
Speaker 1: inning of a seven to two game.
38:59
Speaker 3: It's hard for guys to bounce back from being a closer,
39:02
Speaker 3: being the man having the adrenaline to pitching in the
39:04
Speaker 3: fifth inning. It is a huge blow to people's ego. Scott,
39:07
Speaker 3: it's hard to explain, Kip, Kip, I'm with you unless
39:11
Speaker 3: you've unless you've been in this situation and you've actually
39:15
Speaker 3: understand how how ego driven professional sports is. Okay, it's
39:21
Speaker 3: so ego driven, and it's such a thin line you
39:23
Speaker 3: walk between totally believing in yourself and then just losing
39:27
Speaker 3: that confidence like this. It's it's crazy, it sounds crazy,
39:31
Speaker 3: but we see guys that happens so all the time,
39:32
Speaker 3: they're on top of the world, and then one bad
39:34
Speaker 3: thing happens and then you never hear from him again.
39:37
Speaker 3: And the Dodgers have a huge investment in Edwin Diaz,
39:40
Speaker 3: and I think they're gonna treat him with kid gloves,
39:42
Speaker 3: as they already have shown.
39:44
Speaker 2: And I think that's what they believe in.
39:46
Speaker 3: And we'll see what happens in the next if he
39:48
Speaker 3: has another bat outing, we'll see what happens after that.
39:51
Speaker 1: Okay, Tanner Scott's on a huge contract, and I just
39:54
Speaker 1: feel like he maybe can get some love here at least.
39:56
Speaker 1: In a postgame quote, Dave Roberts on if Edwin Diaz
39:59
Speaker 1: will still pitch in the nine, This was after the
40:01
Speaker 1: loss to the Brewers, give me another option. I have
40:05
Speaker 1: to have other options, And to be quite honest, none
40:08
Speaker 1: of these guys have really thrown the baseball great lately.
40:11
Speaker 1: He said. It's on Edwin Diaz to execute. I mean,
40:14
Speaker 1: that's fine if you're keeping them in there, but some
40:17
Speaker 1: other guys are pitching, okay, and including a guy who's
40:20
Speaker 1: making a lot of money who can close out games.
40:23
Speaker 1: That's all. If you're Tanner Scott and you saw those quotes, Kip,
40:26
Speaker 1: would you be like, eh or I'm not thrilled.
40:29
Speaker 4: I'm not thrilled. Yeah, I don't think that's what. I
40:31
Speaker 4: think he's professional enough to not take it personally, and
40:33
Speaker 4: I think just be like, Okay, maybe it's fine. We're
40:36
Speaker 4: not pitching up to our capabilities as a as a bullpen,
40:39
Speaker 4: so it's fine if I'm thrown into that. But to
40:41
Speaker 4: go back with like I did Edwin Diaz thing, I
40:44
Speaker 4: think just before, he has more of a I hate
40:47
Speaker 4: this word, but talking about AJ and the Psyche, it's
40:49
Speaker 4: like he has more of a scapegoat or an excuse
40:51
Speaker 4: without having to say anything on his end, where it's
40:53
Speaker 4: just like, Okay, he's going to work out in triple
40:56
Speaker 4: A for a second just to fix some stuff. Then
40:58
Speaker 4: it's like he he's not concerned about his his spot,
41:02
Speaker 4: his status, is any of that, and he can kind
41:05
Speaker 4: of just go and work on stuff. If it's a
41:06
Speaker 4: fifth inning, he's kind of embarrassed walking out there. There's
41:10
Speaker 4: we have in our in our slack? Are they gonna
41:12
Speaker 4: play trumpets in the fifth inning? Like it's just a
41:16
Speaker 4: different you want him to Still, you got to take
41:18
Speaker 4: care of some egos sometimes, as sad as it sounds.
41:21
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Tanner Scott Low two z r A. Last
41:23
Speaker 1: time appearance is Low ones z r A. So I'm
41:25
Speaker 1: just saying he's pitching well that's all. That's all I'm saying.
41:27
Speaker 4: He's going to keep his mouth shut because he knows
41:29
Speaker 4: as long as he keeps doing well, he's probably knocking
41:32
Speaker 4: on the door in the next in line for if
41:33
Speaker 4: anything should be a decision made on Edwin Diaz. There's
41:38
Speaker 4: no reason. There's no reason to to ruffle ony feathers
41:40
Speaker 4: right now or rock the boat if you're Tanner Scott.
41:43
Speaker 3: Also, Kip, who how did Tanner Scott do last year?
41:46
Speaker 3: How did Dodgers fans feel about Tanner Scott last year?
41:50
Speaker 4: Not good?
41:50
Speaker 1: He didn't pitch well.
41:52
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so that last.
41:54
Speaker 3: Year you're saying, okay, Scott, agree to just think.
42:00
Speaker 1: They come out of the closer role tomorrow. I'm just saying, like, yeah.
42:03
Speaker 2: That's pretty much what you did. Said. No, that is
42:05
Speaker 2: exactly what you said.
42:07
Speaker 3: You said they should move him out and they should
42:09
Speaker 3: put Tanner Scott.
42:10
Speaker 2: And that's what you just said.
42:12
Speaker 1: Okay. I'm saying like, if he has another blown sab
42:15
Speaker 1: or two, you're just going to keep letting him roll
42:17
Speaker 1: out there. So like fine, I'm like, okay, well you're
42:20
Speaker 1: still good for now. The question was at some point
42:22
Speaker 1: do you have to make a change, and is the
42:24
Speaker 1: answer yes or no.
42:26
Speaker 2: Something will happen at some point.
42:28
Speaker 4: AJ will remember this name. Remember Chris Perez closer for Cleveland.
42:31
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah. He was starting to blow saves down
42:34
Speaker 4: the stretch I think for in thirteen or something like
42:36
Speaker 4: that or early before. And it got to the point where, actually,
42:40
Speaker 4: and I give him his flowers here where he took
42:42
Speaker 4: himself out of the closer role before the decision was made.
42:47
Speaker 4: Maybe the writing was on the wall, he saw it coming,
42:48
Speaker 4: but like he took himself out. He's like, I'm not
42:50
Speaker 4: helping the team enough in that spot right there. I
42:52
Speaker 4: gotta be better. So and I again, he probably was
42:56
Speaker 4: just proactive in the decision. Maybe it was coming regardless,
42:58
Speaker 4: but I do remember that he he did take himself
43:01
Speaker 4: out because he knew he wasn't cutting it.
43:04
Speaker 1: University of Miami Education will do that, Humble, He's got it.
43:08
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, put together with Chris Perez.
43:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
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43:47
Speaker 1: yesterday in the Red Sox win. And he said, all
43:49
Speaker 1: of that you learn in the minor leagues, well back then.
43:52
Speaker 1: Nowadays they talk about launch angle. Hey, he can say it. Aja,
43:57
Speaker 1: he's been swinging the bat.
43:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, good for him, Good for him.
44:02
Speaker 2: Man, play the game, Play the game, Kip, play the game.
44:06
Speaker 2: You know what else he love? You know what else?
44:07
Speaker 2: I love about this? It just stirs up more crap.
44:09
Speaker 2: And he loves stirring the crap.
44:10
Speaker 6: Which is he one of those.
44:12
Speaker 3: Guys I love it, I love it, stirred up, maybe
44:15
Speaker 3: stir stir the pot.
44:18
Speaker 2: He's not right, everybody, gaslight everybody.
44:21
Speaker 4: It's one of the times to say, it's one of
44:24
Speaker 4: the times he's not wrong on this one that they
44:26
Speaker 4: don't teach it anymore. They do teach long angle over
44:28
Speaker 4: bunting before. But there are play baseball, play the right way,
44:32
Speaker 4: and he's he's absolutely right that bunting in certain situations
44:35
Speaker 4: is the right way to play baseball. But he loves,
44:40
Speaker 4: he loves he's he's been breaking and he loves during
44:43
Speaker 4: that pot. But he's he's no, he's no stranger to uh,
44:47
Speaker 4: confrontation or mixing it up with anything, the media, players anything.
44:51
Speaker 1: Look at the line three eating out on base five
44:54
Speaker 1: twenty nine slug. He's he's awesome this year.
44:57
Speaker 4: Yes he is, yeah, yeah, and.
45:02
Speaker 1: He plays a good first base.
45:04
Speaker 6: He's yeah, you go.
45:08
Speaker 3: He's been the one constant in the in the Red
45:10
Speaker 3: Sox lineup from day one.
45:13
Speaker 4: I think that was huge because I think they were
45:14
Speaker 4: counting on maybe Roman Anthony being that guy to kind
45:17
Speaker 4: of maybe have this stat line that he's had, and
45:18
Speaker 4: I think with the injuries and not being there, uh,
45:21
Speaker 4: they needed someone to step up in Wilson trans is
45:23
Speaker 4: absolutely be the guy. They would have loved that both
45:28
Speaker 4: of him, from each side of the play to be
45:29
Speaker 4: doing this kind of year.
45:30
Speaker 1: But then you got something going Anthony. I think he's
45:33
Speaker 1: going to come back. I mean it's taken a long time.
45:35
Speaker 1: It's felt like he's got an injury that's forever. Like
45:38
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45:41
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45:44
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45:47
Speaker 1: So they.
45:48
Speaker 3: Go get his own hitting coach. All you got to
45:50
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45:52
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45:53
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45:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did you like it? Hey, I feel like
45:58
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46:00
Speaker 4: who had their own hitting coach.
46:03
Speaker 2: I never played with a guy that had his own
46:05
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46:06
Speaker 1: No.
46:07
Speaker 3: The only time it ever came close is when twenty twelve,
46:09
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46:13
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Speaker 2: His name was Mike Ellinger.
46:15
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46:17
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46:20
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46:23
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46:25
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47:49
Speaker 1: plus one thousand, and Joe a spot a plus thirty
47:51
Speaker 1: five hundred. Well, aj, I know the direction you're going.
47:54
Speaker 1: Is there any way that Will Venable doesn't get it,
47:57
Speaker 1: say Tad Tracy sneaks in there, or Kevin Cash you
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Speaker 1: get more.
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Speaker 2: Lew Is there a way? Yeah?
48:02
Speaker 3: If the White Sox somehow don't make the postseason, I
48:05
Speaker 3: think Will Venable's not gonna win it.
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Speaker 2: I think Chad Tracy.
48:08
Speaker 3: Honestly, I think Chad Tracy is the front runner for
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Speaker 3: this award because he was because he came in in
48:13
Speaker 3: the middle of the year the team was so bad,
48:14
Speaker 3: and now they've kind of ascended to a point where
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Speaker 3: they're all I mean, they're not guaranteed to make the postseason,
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Speaker 3: but they're in a great spot to make it, to
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Speaker 3: make the postseason, I think if those things happen, And plus,
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Speaker 3: let's be honest, Kip, we all know this, there's a
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Speaker 3: little East Coast bias in the voting.
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Speaker 4: Sometimes there is there is, But I think if you
48:33
Speaker 4: go from what the White Socks were last year to
48:36
Speaker 4: what they're doing right now. Right now they have two
48:38
Speaker 4: and a half game lead, I think in their division,
48:39
Speaker 4: if it's no question if they win it. We talked
48:42
Speaker 4: earlier about the Rays. I think Kevin Cash is notoriously
48:45
Speaker 4: kind of undervalued. I think he's they always has the
48:47
Speaker 4: Rays up there with a low payroll and gets them
48:49
Speaker 4: playing the right way. But to go from like the
48:51
Speaker 4: worst of first and the drastic worst that the White
48:54
Speaker 4: Sox were last year, I think it's a it's a
48:56
Speaker 4: no brainer. So if things stay the same.
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Speaker 1: Right, make the playoffs and it seems like a lock.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, mm hmm.
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Speaker 2: By the way, Kip, is that the Blue Angels? Tell me?
49:07
Speaker 2: I said, Hi, By the way, that's the Blue Angels.
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Speaker 4: I'm sorry if that's being picked up in the background
49:10
Speaker 4: right there. But we got the Aaron water Show here
49:13
Speaker 4: in Chicago, so I was trying to like kind of
49:15
Speaker 4: mute my mic when it gets real loud. They they
49:17
Speaker 4: fly over my play sometimes an he shatters it, echoes
49:21
Speaker 4: and rattle some windows. Here, here's one coming, get that
49:26
Speaker 4: one at all up?
49:27
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I hear it. Yeah, because we heard it
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Speaker 1: a few times.
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Speaker 4: So they're so talented and fun to watch. Though.
49:36
Speaker 2: To get up there with him, Kip, you got to
49:37
Speaker 2: get up there with them one time.
49:39
Speaker 4: I would love to. I I would think that'd be
49:41
Speaker 4: a blast.
49:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It wasn't until you get you don't
49:45
Speaker 3: feel so good.
49:46
Speaker 1: If you're going the home run bet variety. There is
49:50
Speaker 1: an MLB No Sweat home run token that you can
49:53
Speaker 1: activate within the bet MGM app to bet on any
49:55
Speaker 1: player to hit a homer in an MLB game. If
49:57
Speaker 1: that player fails to go yard, you get your stick
49:59
Speaker 1: back in bonus bets. See the rest of the terms
50:02
Speaker 1: in the conditions when inside the app, and if there's
50:05
Speaker 1: a gambling problem more concerned called one eight hundred gambler. Hey,
50:20
Speaker 1: awesome moment at NAT's Park on Thursday, six year old
50:23
Speaker 1: Lincoln Night on the Make a Wish program wanted to
50:26
Speaker 1: be a Nationals coach for a day, and so he
50:28
Speaker 1: hung out with the players. Coaches did a media session,
50:30
Speaker 1: and you said during the session that their plan to
50:32
Speaker 1: attack PCA was pitch them slow and away. Well, I
50:35
Speaker 1: mean kid could bally dominated, so I guess it worked out.
50:38
Speaker 1: That's cool, good stuff. That's a good way for baseball
50:40
Speaker 1: to get involved in these things.
50:43
Speaker 3: Very cool, A little better thing than being asked by
50:47
Speaker 3: a kid to be their wish. I used to do
50:48
Speaker 3: a lot of these in Chicago, and when they would
50:51
Speaker 3: come in, it was always a yes. They'd come to
50:52
Speaker 3: me and say, hey, will you do a make a wish,
50:54
Speaker 3: bring the kid in the clubhouse, let them hang around VP.
50:57
Speaker 2: It was always always.
50:58
Speaker 1: A yes, Yeah, I love that they have one more.
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Speaker 4: They have miles on the face too. Sorry, during all
51:04
Speaker 4: of it, they have the biggest smiles on their face.
51:06
Speaker 4: They just light up at anything. They're so excited to
51:08
Speaker 4: be there, and it's just it puts things in perspective
51:11
Speaker 4: very quickly for you when you saw it's an easy.
51:13
Speaker 1: Yes on the All Star topic since things were being
51:20
Speaker 1: announced Field of Dreams All Star wise, Cubs are hosting
51:24
Speaker 1: twenty seven. We knew that. Twenty eight to San Francisco.
51:27
Speaker 1: That's the short flight for players that are going to
51:29
Speaker 1: be in the Olympics. Twenty twenty nine is expected to
51:33
Speaker 1: be Awards to the Blue Jays, and then twenty thirty
51:35
Speaker 1: to Baltimore. That's Bob night Andale reporting on upcoming All
51:38
Speaker 1: Star trips. So keep that in mind. And then also, yeah,
51:41
Speaker 1: I'll just show this off on their way out to God,
51:44
Speaker 1: i'd you've been.
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Speaker 4: Watching a lot of them. I hope the Cubs get there.
51:48
Speaker 4: They're All Star game in let's just say that. I
51:52
Speaker 4: hope Rickalley gets it.
51:54
Speaker 1: So does Pete, so does everybody.
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Speaker 2: Pete.
51:56
Speaker 3: All right, I'm mad at Sarah about that shirt. We're
51:58
Speaker 3: gonna have to discuss that on Monday. You want to
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Speaker 3: get back, yeah, m