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She Texted _I Want Us Back_ _ Killer Women With Piers Morgan · History Dark

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: You took my son's life, your life should be taken.
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  Speaker 1: She's not sorry. She's sorry she got caught. That's the
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: only thing she's sorry for.
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  Speaker 2: 15-year-old Seth Jackson was beaten, shot, and burned at a
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  Speaker 2: Summerfield home Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: I hope they get the electric chair and they burn.
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  Speaker 4: Burn!
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  Speaker 5: And we can all sit and watch them like they
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  Speaker 5: did to him.
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  Speaker 6: She's manipulative.
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  Speaker 7: She's diabolical. She's the most dangerous 15-year-old I've ever encountered.
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  Speaker 7: You have to catch her and you have to prove
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  Speaker 7: that she's lying for her to fall apart and then
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  Speaker 7: want to talk to you about it.
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  Speaker 8: Every blow and every bullet that was shot in Descent's
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  Speaker 8: body is on her.
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  Speaker 6: It's you that lured him to this horrific death. There'll
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  Speaker 6: be people watching this thinking, she must be evil, this girl.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not evil. I'm not. I'm not.
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  Speaker 9: Breaking news in Marion County this morning, where six people
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  Speaker 9: have been arrested in connection to a murder last weekend.
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  Speaker 9: Those six are accused of luring 15-year-old Seth Jackson to
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  Speaker 9: a home in Summerfield and beating and then shooting him.
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  Speaker 9: Police reports say the suspects talked about how much they
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  Speaker 9: hated the victim, which led to the alleged murder plot.
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  Speaker 6: In April 2011, 15-year-old Seth Jackson came to this trailer
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  Speaker 6: to meet his ex-girlfriend, Amber Wright.
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  Speaker 5: It's a very quiet neighborhood for the most part.
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  Speaker 6: Detective Rhonda Stroop led the investigation into Seth's brutal murder.
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  Speaker 7: The only thing that was here at the time of
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  Speaker 7: the incident was that double-wide trailer and that little shed
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  Speaker 7: out back.
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  Speaker 6: At the time, the rundown trailer was used as a
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  Speaker 6: hangout for local teenagers. Tell me exactly what happened in
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  Speaker 6: that trailer.
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  Speaker 7: This kid gets beat, he gets shot, He runs outside,
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  Speaker 7: trying to get away from them. They wrestle him back
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  Speaker 7: into the house. Can you imagine his thoughts at that time?
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  Speaker 7: They wrestle him back and they shoot him again. They
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  Speaker 7: put him in the bathroom. They try to break his
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  Speaker 7: kneecaps so that they can fold him into a sleeping bag.
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  Speaker 7: After they did all that to this child, they took
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  Speaker 7: him out back and they burnt his body.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it's an unspeakable litany of... Horrific detail. This
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  Speaker 6: is a 15-year-old boy. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: It was premeditated.
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  Speaker 6: In relation to Amber, she was only 15, but she
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  Speaker 6: did mastermind this, right? I mean, that's your firm belief.
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  Speaker 4: That's my opinion, yes.
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  Speaker 7: I just cannot fathom that at 15 years old that
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  Speaker 7: you can be that diabolical and that upset with someone,
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  Speaker 7: mad at someone, that you can plan a murder quite
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  Speaker 7: in this fashion.
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  Speaker 6: Amber is now 20 and serving a life sentence. She'll
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  Speaker 6: likely never be released. I'd been granted one hour to
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  Speaker 6: interview her. She is one of America's youngest killers, but
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  Speaker 6: Amber's always denied being the mastermind behind the murder.
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  Speaker 3: Hi, Amber.
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  Speaker 6: Good to meet you. You too. Come and sit down. Amber,
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  Speaker 6: when I meet you, I guess I'm expecting from everything
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  Speaker 6: I've read to meet some kind of monster, but as
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  Speaker 6: is so often the case, I don't see a monster.
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  Speaker 6: When you see that headline about you, how do you feel?
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  Speaker 3: Kind of hurts, because I know deep down I'm not
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  Speaker 3: a monster. I mean, I made bad mistakes, I made decisions,
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  Speaker 3: but the way everything is portrayed, I mean, it's horrible.
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  Speaker 3: So I guess I can be placed in that category.
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  Speaker 3: But it hurts that people don't know who I am,
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  Speaker 3: that that's what they look at me.
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  Speaker 6: You see, Amber, it's extraordinary to me to meet somebody
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  Speaker 6: like you who had your whole life ahead of you.
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  Speaker 6: And yet you have not just allowed this to happen,
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  Speaker 6: you've been a key part of it. It's you that
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  Speaker 6: lured him to this horrific death. There'll be people watching
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  Speaker 6: this thinking, she must be evil, this girl.
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  Speaker 3: What happened.
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  Speaker 3: I've said it for many years, it doesn't define who
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  Speaker 3: I am. It was one thing I took a part
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  Speaker 3: of and it was the worst thing that's ever happened
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  Speaker 3: in my life. But honestly, that one day, that one,
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  Speaker 3: one very serious, very traumatic, very horrific event is the person,
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  Speaker 3: changes the person I am. I no longer look at
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  Speaker 3: people with hatred and envy and Unforgiveness, I don't do
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  Speaker 3: that anymore. I'm not evil. I'm not.
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  Speaker 6: Amber's accomplices on the night of the murder included her brother,
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  Speaker 6: Kyle Hooper, Michael Bargo, who investigators believed was Amber's new boyfriend,
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  Speaker 6: and Charlie Ely, who rented the trailer. Seth Jackson was
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  Speaker 6: at first reported missing on a local news bulletin, but
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  Speaker 6: Amber's brother Kyle was watching at home and told his
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  Speaker 6: mother he had witnessed Seth being killed. She called the police,
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  Speaker 6: but at this point she had no idea... Her two
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  Speaker 6: children had actually taken part in the murder.
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  Speaker 11: My name's Rhonda. And you must be Kyle.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 7: Tell me the story that you told your mom and
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  Speaker 7: start from the beginning, okay?
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  Speaker 11: Okay.
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  Speaker 12: Seth wanted to talk to my sister. They come in
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  Speaker 12: the house, and I don't like the kid completely because
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  Speaker 12: he has put his hands on my sister.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Okay?
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  Speaker 11: And I hit him over the head with a stick.
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  Speaker 11: Who'd you hit?
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  Speaker 9: Seth.
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  Speaker 6: Okay. And.
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  Speaker 12: It was in the chair and I got in the
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  Speaker 12: kitchen and I said, now get the fuck out the house.
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  Speaker 12: And then all of a sudden I hear, bam, bam, bam,
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  Speaker 12: Mike sitting there laying bullets into him.
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  Speaker 11: So you saw Mike Vargo shoot Seth?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 6: Waiting to be interviewed was Amber. In her first version
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  Speaker 6: of the night's events, she would claim to have been
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  Speaker 6: an innocent bystander.
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  Speaker 7: Do you want to have mom in here while you
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  Speaker 7: talk to me about it?
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  Speaker 4: That's okay with you?
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  Speaker 11: Okay. Okay, Seth comes to the house.
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  Speaker 10: Seth knocked on the door and Charlie answered it. And
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  Speaker 10: she was like, well, what do you want? And he
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  Speaker 10: was like, I just need to talk to Amber.
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  Speaker 11: Can I come in? She let him in.
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  Speaker 10: He sits in the chair. Me and her are sitting
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  Speaker 10: by each other on the couch. And out of nowhere,
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  Speaker 10: Kyle just gets up and hits him.
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  Speaker 11: I looked at Charlie.
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  Speaker 13: I was like, run. We ran to her room.
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  Speaker 11: I went in her bathroom and shut the door.
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  Speaker 10: And we heard another door just fly open, and we
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  Speaker 10: just heard gunshot after gunshot after gunshot.
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  Speaker 11: So when did you guys finally come out of the room?
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  Speaker 11: The next morning.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, about what time?
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  Speaker 11: We didn't wake up until maybe 11, 12 o'clock. Was
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  Speaker 11: anything different? It just smelled like pure bleach in the house.
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  Speaker 3: That's it.
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  Speaker 11: Like they tried to clean something up.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be right back, okay?
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  Speaker 3: I gotta go home.
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  Speaker 6: Give me a sec.
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  Speaker 5: Mother's love is unconditional. No matter what your children do,
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  Speaker 5: it's unconditional. That's your job. That job doesn't end. It
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  Speaker 5: never ends, you know? I brought them in this world.
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  Speaker 5: I gotta make sure I see them through it.
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  Speaker 6: This was a very brutal and bloody execution of a
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  Speaker 6: young boy. When you think back to what went on
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  Speaker 6: in that trailer that afternoon, what do you feel?
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  Speaker 3: Honestly, empty. There's a part of me that... It's terrifying. It's...
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  Speaker 3: It's scary to actually think that something like that happened.
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  Speaker 6: You personally helped prepare the body to put in the
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  Speaker 6: bag to be burned and then disposed of.
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  Speaker 3: After he died and I cleaned up, I was no
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  Speaker 3: longer partaking in anything. So after that, it's like he disappeared.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know what was going on. Yeah, I knew
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  Speaker 3: his body was burned, but I found out how he
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  Speaker 3: was disposed of, sitting in an interrogation room.
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  Speaker 6: But you knew that he was gonna be burned because
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  Speaker 6: you were heard talking about lighting the fire. And you
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  Speaker 6: knew once he was burned, they were gonna put his
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  Speaker 6: remains into these barrels, pots, take him off. and dispose
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  Speaker 6: of what was left. You knew that.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I knew there was gonna be a fire. I
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  Speaker 3: knew he was going to be burned. I didn't know
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  Speaker 3: they were gonna drop him over a cliff.
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  Speaker 6: Amber's claim that she'd just gone to bed and slept
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  Speaker 6: through to midday after hearing multiple gunshots didn't ring true
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  Speaker 6: to police.
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  Speaker 11: I'm sorry, buddy. Do you mind if I talk to
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  Speaker 11: her again?
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  Speaker 6: She's manipulative.
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  Speaker 7: You have to catch her, and you have to prove
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  Speaker 7: that she's lying for her to fall apart and then
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  Speaker 7: want to talk to you about it.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so this right here and right.
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  Speaker 11: Now, Amber, is where the rubber hits the road, okay?
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  Speaker 6: Your brother told me everything.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: So you can sit there and you can continue to
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  Speaker 7: lie and I'm going to walk out and treat you
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  Speaker 7: like a piece of garbage.
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  Speaker 14: Okay.
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  Speaker 11: Or you can sit here and treat me with the
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  Speaker 11: respect that I treated you with.
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  Speaker 6: Okay? And you can tell me the truth.
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  Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am. What's your choice going to be?
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  Speaker 13: I'm going to tell you the truth.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 13: So let's start at the beginning again.
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  Speaker 11: And you tell me the story.
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  Speaker 13: And the first time.
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  Speaker 7: That I think you're lying, I'm getting up and walking
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  Speaker 7: out of here and I don't care what happens to you.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 4: Do you understand me?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 7: Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 11: Michael was just saying, well, you should call Seth and.
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  Speaker 6: All this stuff. And I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 11: And why would he want you to call Seth?
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  Speaker 10: Because he doesn't like him. And he told me he
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  Speaker 10: wanted to, like, fight him.
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  Speaker 4: No, that's not what he told you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm telling you right now.
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  Speaker 11: I'm going to get up and walk out of here.
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  Speaker 11: This is your last chance.
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  Speaker 15: Okay.
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  Speaker 11: I'm not playing with you, little girl.
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  Speaker 4: Do you understand me?
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  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am. Okay.
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  Speaker 13: I'm done with being lied to today.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: Okay.
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  Speaker 11: So let's start again. We're going to start fresh. And
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  Speaker 11: me and Charlie stayed in the room. Where's Seth's body now?
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  Speaker 11: They wouldn't let me see it. They told me, Mike
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  Speaker 11: told me that.
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  Speaker 10: He called that he was going to take it to
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  Speaker 10: the quarry.
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  Speaker 2: Lead detectives tell West 2 News they believe they know
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  Speaker 2: where the murder weapon has been hidden, but right now
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  Speaker 2: they are not telling us whether it has been found.
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  Speaker 7: Right now, local detectives are piecing together the final brutal
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  Speaker 7: moments of Seth Jackson's life.
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  Speaker 2: The local teen was beaten, shot, mutilated, burned into ashes,
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  Speaker 2: and has remained sunk to the bottom of a local quarry.
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  Speaker 15: Once they had cremated Seth's body, they've shoveled up the
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  Speaker 15: remains from the fire. They placed his remains into these
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  Speaker 15: five-gallon buckets and walked to the lime pit, where they
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  Speaker 15: ultimately end up throwing them over. One bucket, they tossed
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  Speaker 15: it over and it broke open and some of Seth's
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  Speaker 15: remains were discarded along the side of the cliff.
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  Speaker 6: Just four miles from the murder scene live Seth's parents.
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  Speaker 6: Sonia and Scott. Seth was the youngest of their three boys.
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  Speaker 6: And Amber had been a regular visitor to their home.
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  Speaker 7: Hello.
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  Speaker 6: Sonia, Piers, good to see you. Hi. Thank you so
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  Speaker 6: much for letting us into your home. We greatly appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: Thank you. Sonia, Scott, let me go right back to...
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  Speaker 6: The moment when you discovered that Seth had a new
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  Speaker 6: girlfriend and her name was Amber.
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  Speaker 1: Just another girlfriend. You know, he had a lot of them.
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  Speaker 1: It seemed like he had one every few weeks. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we didn't think anything of it. You know, just another girl.
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  Speaker 1: He's a good looking boy.
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  Speaker 6: Amber came around here regularly over a three month period.
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  Speaker 14: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: She had dinner with you guys. What was your impression
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  Speaker 6: of her as a young 15 year old girl?
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  Speaker 4: A typical teenager at first. After a couple of months
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  Speaker 4: of her hanging out here, you know, during the day
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  Speaker 4: and watching them on the couch together or, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in the backyard playing basketball, I started seeing more of
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  Speaker 4: a manipulative side to her.
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  Speaker 6: But were you seriously worried or did she just seem like,
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  Speaker 6: any other 15-year-old teenage girl, albeit a little bit manipulative,
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  Speaker 6: but that's not completely unusual.
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  Speaker 4: They were typical teenagers.
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  Speaker 1: It was nothing special about it that would set a
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  Speaker 1: person off to think anything like that.
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  Speaker 6: When I found out about this story, and having met
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  Speaker 6: her and interviewed her, it's just inexplicable to me how
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  Speaker 6: somebody like that could then get involved in what she
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  Speaker 6: got involved with. with your son have you been able
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  Speaker 6: to rationalize it at.
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  Speaker 4: All it's unfathomable for people kids for kids to come
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  Speaker 4: up with this stuff and then to carry it all
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  Speaker 4: out it's it's still today i think did this really
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  Speaker 4: happen well yeah of course it did my son's gone.
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  Speaker 7: Right now, local detectives are piecing together the final brutal
• 15:23
  Speaker 7: moments of Seth Jackson's life.
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  Speaker 2: Investigators say he was lured to the home by former girlfriend,
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  Speaker 2: ninth grader Amber Wright, then attacked, shot, and burned.
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  Speaker 6: Seth Jackson's relationship with Amber Wright cost him his life.
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  Speaker 6: But in the six years since, she has never explained why.
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  Speaker 6: You're 15 and you meet a guy called Seth. What
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  Speaker 6: was your first reaction when you met Seth? What kind
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  Speaker 6: of guy did you think he was?
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  Speaker 3: He was like, I guess at that time, I thought
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  Speaker 3: he was like, oh, he's so cool. Me and him
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  Speaker 3: got really close off rip. Like obviously there was a
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  Speaker 3: flirtatious between us and we had that connection. Like we
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  Speaker 3: were young, everything was fun and games. And so we
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  Speaker 3: really started going hard with each other. And then he
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  Speaker 3: was in drugs and I was doing drugs. And then
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  Speaker 3: both of us, our real characters came out.
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  Speaker 6: And what kind of drugs were you doing?
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  Speaker 3: We were smoking marijuana and dabbling in cocaine.
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  Speaker 6: Where is your mother in all this? Does she know
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  Speaker 6: you're doing this?
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  Speaker 3: She suspects I'm doing it, but of course I lie
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  Speaker 3: to her and try to reassure her. No, ma'am, I'm not.
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  Speaker 3: You're crazy.
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  Speaker 6: You and Seth, I mean, it seems to have very
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  Speaker 6: quickly become quite a serious relationship, but also a very
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  Speaker 6: volatile relationship.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 3: I guess because we were just, Spending too much time
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  Speaker 3: together was too much alike. And being young, we both
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  Speaker 3: were in this competition to make each other mad all
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  Speaker 3: the time, make each other jealous all the time. And
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  Speaker 3: we were just so involved with everything else and all
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  Speaker 3: the people around us. And, like, really our relationship wasn't
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  Speaker 3: a relationship. It was young teenagers having sex and doing drugs.
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  Speaker 6: Teenagers do this kind of thing. You know, they drink
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  Speaker 6: too much. Some of them take drugs. They have sex
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  Speaker 6: when they shouldn't be with people they shouldn't be having
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  Speaker 6: sex with. But it doesn't end in murder. Why did
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  Speaker 6: Seth have to die?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. There was no reason. I don't have
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  Speaker 3: a reason. I just went along.
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  Speaker 14: Seth Jackson had been dating Amber Wright, and they had
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  Speaker 14: had a bad breakup. And there was a lot of
• 17:52
  Speaker 14: back and forth on social media, name calling, threats being
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  Speaker 14: made between the two. And then Amber Wright started dating
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  Speaker 14: Michael Bargo. One night, they were all at Charlie Ealy's house,
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  Speaker 14: and Michael Bargo started talking about, we need to kill
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  Speaker 14: Seth Jackson. Nobody likes him. We need to kill him.
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  Speaker 14: From that point on, they made a plan. They all agreed.
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  Speaker 13: That they would kill Seth Jackson.
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  Speaker 14: Amber would lure him to Charlie's house and they would
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  Speaker 14: shoot him and torture him. I can't imagine what was
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  Speaker 14: going through Seth's mind when he almost escaped. He was
• 18:30
  Speaker 14: in the house, he was shot once, but he got
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  Speaker 14: out and he made it almost to the road when
• 18:35
  Speaker 14: he was shot again and then brought back into the house.
• 18:38
  Speaker 14: He was then put into a bathtub where he was
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  Speaker 14: shot Michael Bargo needed to break his kneecaps because they
• 18:44
  Speaker 14: wanted to fit him into a sleeping bag that they
• 18:46
  Speaker 14: had laid out. So his kneecaps were broken, his teeth
• 18:49
  Speaker 14: were pulled out with pliers. They burned the body, and
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  Speaker 14: to me, what made it atrocious is that they sat
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  Speaker 14: out there and basically treated it as if a bonfire
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  Speaker 14: was a party. All of them sat outside all night long, drinking, talking, laughing,
• 19:05
  Speaker 14: while Seth's body was burning. And without Amber Wright's participation
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  Speaker 14: in the crime, Seth Jackson never would have come to
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  Speaker 14: that house.
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  Speaker 6: What was the moment when you knew that he was dead?
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: How did you find out that awful news? I knew.
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  Speaker 4: I knew something was horribly wrong because Seth would have
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: come home or contacted us or something by now. I
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: don't care if that boy had to stop and use
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: a payphone. He would have called me. He always kept
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: in touch. He would have called me. I knew in
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: my heart, I knew that Seth was gone I just
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: didn't know where or how.
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: Scott how do you assess father and I have a
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: 15 year old son how do you even start to
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: deal with the details of what they did to your
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: boy Because it's that part of this which I find,
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: as a father myself, so utterly obscene. The complete disregard
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: for him on any human level. How do you deal
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: with that?
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: I push the feelings down. Because how I want to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: deal with it, society says that's a no-no. But I'm
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: pretty good at pushing my feelings down. I haven't went
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: off on nobody in almost six years now, so I'm
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: doing pretty damn good. I haven't gotten locked up. I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: doing really good dealing with it. That's the only way
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: I can deal with it. Because I don't know how.
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: How can you deal with it if something like that happened?
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: I don't know.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I can't answer that.
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: Question to you.
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: I just can't.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: I push them down and that's where they stay. I
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: feel sorry for the SOB that brings them to the
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: surface again. Because I don't know how much longer I
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: can do it. And counselling don't help. Been there, done that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: It don't help. Two days after Seth was killed, all
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: the suspects had been arrested, apart from Michael Bargo, who'd
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: gone on the run. The others were quick to blame
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: him for the murder.
• 21:35
  Speaker 11: I had to. They knew we were lying.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: You pulled in all these kids, you put them into
• 21:43
  Speaker 6: one of the rooms here. In a separate room, you're
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: watching on CCTV. Correct. What did you make of Amber's
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: performance interacting with the others?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Exactly, a performance.
• 21:57
  Speaker 11: You know how many people are going to fucking hate
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: us for this? People that don't even know us are
• 22:01
  Speaker 11: going to be looking for us if we get out
• 22:02
  Speaker 11: of this.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: Why?
• 22:04
  Speaker 11: There's a fucking 15-year-old kid murdered. Because of us. You
• 22:12
  Speaker 11: honestly think people want to be around that? You think
• 22:15
  Speaker 11: people think those kind of people are supposed to be here? Yeah,
• 22:20
  Speaker 11: but it's not our fault. Hell, I don't even like
• 22:23
  Speaker 11: them fucking kind of people. And I'm one of them now.
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: And I didn't even do anything.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't want none of.
• 22:32
  Speaker 11: This to happen. We just got stupid and fell into
• 22:36
  Speaker 11: Mike's trap. Like always. Like always. Like always, because he
• 22:42
  Speaker 11: knows he can talk me into anything. He knows he can.
• 22:46
  Speaker 10: How do you tell somebody you love them and you'd
• 22:49
  Speaker 10: never leave them or hurt them, and then you do this?
• 22:53
  Speaker 10: And then on top of that, you say, if you
• 22:55
  Speaker 10: tell anyone I'm going to kill you too.
• 22:57
  Speaker 11: This would have never happened if it wasn't for Mike.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Amber's whole strategy, it seems from these tapes, is to
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: blame everybody else. You know, Mike got me into this.
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: He's always controlling me. He's always manipulating me. Look what
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: he's done now. Do you buy any of that as
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: a defense?
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: No, I don't buy a word of it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: I mean, I believe that she's manipulative. I believe she's diabolical.
• 23:24
  Speaker 7: I believe that she really orchestrated a lot of this.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: The plan is concocted to kill Seth. Who is the
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: first person to suggest that?
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: Michael.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: And how does he suggest it to you?
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: He just didn't straight come out and say anything about Seth.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: But he came out talking crazy. Like, we were all
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: standing there outside and He just came out and was
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: talking about, you know, he has his gun, and he
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: was talking about how much heat it would take for
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: bones to deteriorate and everything. We were all looking at
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: him like, what are you talking about? And then that's
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: whenever he looks at my brother, and he just starts, like, saying, like,
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: he wants Seth dead. And we're all kind of, like,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: think he's playing around at first, like, really? Like, are
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: you crazy? And then he looks at me and Charlie
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: and he told me, he's like, you're going to get
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: him here. And I was just like, I was hesitant.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I was and I was telling him no. So in
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: the beginning I was telling him no, like I'm not
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: doing that. You're crazy. And then it came to he
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: was dead serious. Like he was serious.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: Why did you not try and stop him?
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: I even wanted to.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: I think she's wicked and evil.
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: What other way can you explain somebody that would set
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: something in motion of this magnitude that would end up
• 25:33
  Speaker 7: with a 15-year-old boy shot, beat, burned, put in five-gallon
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: buckets and thrown off into a rock quarry.
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: What would you say?
• 25:45
  Speaker 11: You're all going to be booked with first-degree premeditated murder.
• 25:49
  Speaker 11: You two will go to the juvenile assessment center. You
• 25:52
  Speaker 11: will go to the Marion County Jail.
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 25:56
  Speaker 11: Take a deep breath. You'll have no bond. You won't
• 25:58
  Speaker 11: be getting out.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: Even when you march in and tell them you're being
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: booked first-degree murder... This is a very serious crime.
• 26:07
  Speaker 11: I don't think it gets much.
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: More serious than this.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Amber in particular feels like it's a kind of annoying day,
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: you know, and she might get.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: Exactly, still thinks she's going home at some point.
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 26:17
  Speaker 13: She doesn't seem to realize.
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: The enormity of.
• 26:27
  Speaker 13: What has happened here.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: I don't think the magnitude hit her until much later.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: The young brother and sister accused of killing an Ocala
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: teen have been indicted as adults. 15-year-old Amber Wright and
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: 16-year-old Kyle Hooper are charged with the murder of Wright's ex-boyfriend,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: 15-year-old Seth Jackson.
• 27:01
  Speaker 14: We made the decision to try them as adults. based
• 27:04
  Speaker 14: on the heinous nature of how he was tortured and
• 27:07
  Speaker 14: burned and the fact that they were involved in the
• 27:10
  Speaker 14: planning of the murder from the beginning. And that's one
• 27:13
  Speaker 14: of the reasons why we did not make any plea offers.
• 27:16
  Speaker 14: From the beginning, we said, these people either deserve the
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: death penalty or life in prison, and we won't make
• 27:22
  Speaker 14: any plea deals because of the facts of this case
• 27:24
  Speaker 14: and how horrible it was.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: And we didn't. Amber was too young to face the
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: death penalty. that Michael Bargo was eligible if found guilty.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: Detectives tracked him down, hiding out 80 miles away at
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: a friend's house.
• 27:46
  Speaker 13: I think you know why I'm here to talk to you.
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: You just said.
• 27:57
  Speaker 13: You want to talk to a lawyer? Did you want
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: to talk to a lawyer or do you want to
• 27:59
  Speaker 13: talk to me? I want to clarify that first.
• 28:01
  Speaker 10: I want to talk to a lawyer.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 28:03
  Speaker 15: He had nothing to say. He appeared to have this
• 28:05
  Speaker 15: cold heart as if he had just crumbled up a
• 28:10
  Speaker 15: piece of paper and thrown it in the trash can
• 28:12
  Speaker 15: with no feelings at all.
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: What the hell is going on?
• 28:17
  Speaker 15: I think you clearly know I can't talk to you
• 28:18
  Speaker 15: about anything.
• 28:19
  Speaker 13: You've already requested your attorney. You lost that opportunity to.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: Talk to me.
• 28:24
  Speaker 6: Trying to understand why Seth was killed seems to come
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: down to this question. Is Amber Wright a cold, calculating
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: murderer who manipulated Michael Bargo and the others into killing Seth?
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: Or was she caught in the romantic thrall of a
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: volatile and controlling new boyfriend?
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: 18-year-old Michael Bargo stood before a Marion County judge today.
• 28:51
  Speaker 9: Investigators say he is the alleged shooter and mastermind behind
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: the murder plot.
• 28:56
  Speaker 13: Mr.
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: Vargo, you're charged with first degree murder.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: This is a capital offense.
• 29:03
  Speaker 6: Were you in love with Michael?
• 29:09
  Speaker 14: No.
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: I can tell you I wasn't in love with Michael.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: I was under his control. I let him control me.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: It wasn't love.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: Did you think that if you got rid of Seth,
• 29:26
  Speaker 6: you and Michael could have a relationship without that huge
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: problem all the time in the background? No. No. Michael
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: Bargo has always denied that he and Amber were anything
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: more than just good friends.
• 29:46
  Speaker 13: You were sleeping with Amber and dating her at the time.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: No, I wasn't.
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: You do have her initials tattooed right in your groin area.
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: I haven't on my thigh.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Overruled.
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: I haven't on my thigh.
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: I do.
• 30:00
  Speaker 13: Do you tattoo a lot of girls' names that you're
• 30:01
  Speaker 13: friends with all over your thighs?
• 30:03
  Speaker 11: No.
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: How about this?
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: She has your initials tattooed on her private area too,
• 30:08
  Speaker 14: doesn't she?
• 30:08
  Speaker 10: Not in her private area.
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: It's below her belt line, but yeah.
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: Well, some people may say that's your private area.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: You don't.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: That's fine.
• 30:15
  Speaker 14: Right here.
• 30:16
  Speaker 11: Yes, ma'am.
• 30:17
  Speaker 10: Okay.
• 30:17
  Speaker 13: Did you do that yourself?
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: So you tattooed your initials right here on Amber Wright?
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: Yes, ma'am.
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 30:24
  Speaker 13: But you weren't in love with her or sleeping with her?
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: No.
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: In fact.
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: Isn't it true that Seth broke up with Amber because
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: Seth found out that you two had slept together? Not
• 30:38
  Speaker 13: to my understanding.
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: You and Michael had matching tattoos. Yeah. What is the tattoo?
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: His initials.
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: Why, if he didn't really mean anything to you, why
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: would you have a tattoo with his initials on you?
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: Just because I thought it was cool. Make him happy.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: Felt good being one.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: There seems to be some doubt as to whether you
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: and Mike had a sexual relationship. What's the truth?
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: Me and Michael did not have a relationship. Yes, we
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: did have sex a couple times. And I think that
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: was more on my part, trying to aggravate and hurt Seth.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: So you were deliberately having sex with a guy that
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: you knew he hated just to aggravate him?
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah. It wasn't really me trying to inflame anything,
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: but I was trying to hurt him. I was hurt.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: I was trying to hurt him.
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: You know, you say you weren't trying to inflame anything,
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: but that's exactly what you were doing. I mean, you
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: were deliberately trying to inflame him in the worst possible way.
• 31:52
  Speaker 6: You were having sex with a guy you knew he hated.
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: How can it get much more inflammatory than that?
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: Guess it doesn't.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: They broke up, so Seth and Amber stopped seeing each other.
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: Did that have a big effect on Seth? Did you
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: notice that he was particularly devastated by this?
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he was.
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: He did a lot of crying.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he was.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: A lot of consoling him. talking to him, it'll get
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: better and, you know, just how you do your kids,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: because you don't want to see him hurting. And after
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: a while, he started getting past it.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: I kept telling him, just leave it alone. You know,
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of other girls out there. You've already
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: had a few girlfriends. You know, you're young. This isn't
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: your first. It isn't your last. You know, you got
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: to move on. He really did care for Amber.
• 32:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, one of the reasons that he may have
• 33:00
  Speaker 6: been so upset was that she was deliberately enraging him
• 33:05
  Speaker 6: via her relationship with this guy, Mike Barger, who she
• 33:09
  Speaker 6: now admits she was having sex with. And she was
• 33:12
  Speaker 6: quite open and said she was doing that to goad
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: and agitate your son.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: That just confirms my feelings of her being manipulative and... Yes,
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: it makes me angry.
• 33:29
  Speaker 6: How do you feel about it, Scott?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: I want to kill the bitch.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: No, I want to put this in a good way.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: I want to torture the bitch. All of them. And
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: wouldn't lose a bit of sleep over it. And it
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: would take a long time. but it's damn sure I'm
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: gonna feel good while I'm doing it.
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: Kyle Hooper kept his head down as the assistant M.E.
• 34:05
  Speaker 13: Talked about Seth Jackson's burned body parts.
• 34:08
  Speaker 14: At the trial, Kyle Hooper did have some remorse. Amber Wright,
• 34:11
  Speaker 14: I've never, never, never seen from her any remorse. She's
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: a cold, manipulative, calculating person.
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: What kind of person were you?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: I was the person that didn't care about anything but
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: having fun. I was a selfish person. I was very
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: manipulative and I got what I wanted.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: And what she wanted was Seth dead. And there was
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: one crucial piece of evidence that proved it. A mobile
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: phone with the text she had sent that lured him
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: to his death.
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: Amber Wright was the one that Seth was sweet on.
• 34:47
  Speaker 13: He wanted to get back with her in spite of
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: all the bad.
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Feeling that had gone between them in the previous months.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: The only reason that Seth Jackson went to that home
• 35:00
  Speaker 8: is because of her.
• 35:04
  Speaker 13: Seth would have never gone to that house if Michael
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: Barter had called him.
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: So every blow that Seth Jackson endured during that meeting
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: and every bullet.
• 35:15
  Speaker 13: That was shot into Seth's body is on her.
• 35:21
  Speaker 6: So Amber, I want to read you some of the
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: messages that you exchanged with Seth text messages. You have
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: now decided with the group that you personally are going
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: to lure Seth over and he's going to get killed.
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: And you say to him, I want you to come over.
• 35:38
  Speaker 6: I want to talk to you. He replies to you, Amber,
• 35:41
  Speaker 6: if you have me jumped, I will never give you
• 35:43
  Speaker 6: the time of day. So if I get jumped, say goodbye,
• 35:47
  Speaker 6: all right? You reply, I swear you're not Seth. I
• 35:50
  Speaker 6: could never do that to you. I just want me
• 35:53
  Speaker 6: and you back.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I manipulated him.
• 36:01
  Speaker 6: You didn't want him back, did you? That wasn't why
• 36:05
  Speaker 6: you were calling him over.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: No.
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: You wanted him to come over because you knew that
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: he was going to die.
• 36:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: When you hear the words of those text messages now,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: what do you feel about yourself, that you were a
• 36:24
  Speaker 6: person capable of doing that?
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: It makes me disgusted with myself. It makes me wonder,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: what were I really doing? What type of person am
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: I really?
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: If you were somebody else who didn't know you, who
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: knew what happened and read these messages that you sent
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: him to lure him to his death, this guy you
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: were in love with, that you'd been having sex with,
• 36:52
  Speaker 6: partying with, what would you think of the person that
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: did this?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: That she was manipulative, deceitful, and a monster.
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: It's a hard word, isn't it, to say about yourself?
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is monstrous behavior. It doesn't matter what
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: age you are. You're a 15-year-old girl, but you are
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: deliberately luring this boy to his death. And it's chilling
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: to read.
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: Amber Wright is facing 25 years to life in prison.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Wright helped beat, shoot, and burn the body of Seth
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Jackson back in 2011.
• 38:12
  Speaker 6: Four others are serving life.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: The shooter, 23-year-old Michael Bargo, was sentenced to death.
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: You go to trial, and I've seen the video of
• 38:21
  Speaker 6: the moment that you are convicted. You know that's it.
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: You're going to go to prison for a very long time.
• 38:32
  Speaker 13: The defendant is guilty of murder in the first degree.
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: So say we all dated this 14 days.
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: And your head sinks.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: 2016 signed for.
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: What is going through your mind in that moment?
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: I deserve this.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: You deserved it? Yeah. Has it really sunk home to
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: you what this punishment actually means?
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it has. If we want to speak about the truth,
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: I've contemplated suicide. I have. I've told my mom several times.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: I won't make it that long.
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: I won't.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: I'm sunk in. I'm here. I'm here for life. I'm
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: not going anywhere. I can't change that. I can't take
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: that back. I can't make them change my life sentence.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: Just like his mom said, an eye for an eye,
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: life for a life, right?
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: Four other co-defendants are serving life sentences.
• 39:41
  Speaker 13: Wright's mother, Tracy, was in tears.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: After the verdict.
• 39:44
  Speaker 7: In that one instance, Tracy, she lost both her children
• 39:48
  Speaker 7: to the justice system. But I'm sure that there are
• 39:51
  Speaker 7: times that she thought to herself, as I would as
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: a mother, I should have paid more attention. I should
• 39:56
  Speaker 7: have known what was going on. My kids shouldn't have
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: been there.
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: They were just everyday teenagers, you know. I knew all
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: their friends. I knew their parents. You can't keep them
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: chained up to the house, you know. They just were
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: so familiar with the neighborhood because I grew up in
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: that neighborhood. They grew up in the neighborhood. So everybody
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: in the entire neighborhood knew the kids. So it was
• 40:18
  Speaker 5: safe for them. I worked a lot, and they were
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: good kids. They really were. Just took one bad thing
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: to come into their life, you know, to make them change.
• 40:36
  Speaker 5: As I say, evil walked into their life. Sonia Jackson
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: and I have both lost, so we are two grieving mothers.
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  Speaker 5: She lost one child, and I lost two.
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  Speaker 4: For me, I just kind of take it day by day.
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  Speaker 4: I'm angry about each and every one of them and
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  Speaker 4: what they did. I battle with this all the time
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  Speaker 4: because for me, as a mom, I feel for those
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  Speaker 4: kids because they are kids. I have emotions that feel
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  Speaker 4: sorry for them. But when I set my mom feelings aside, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm pissed. It hurts. It's hard to talk about because,
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  Speaker 4: you know, you want to scream at the world.
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  Speaker 5: I pray for her all the time. If I'm thinking
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  Speaker 5: I'm having a bad day, I always revert back to her.
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  Speaker 5: You know, her son is the victim in this, and
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  Speaker 5: her loss is much greater than mine.
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  Speaker 4: I've often thought, you know, what if the shoe was
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  Speaker 4: on the other foot? What if we were the parents
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  Speaker 4: that was now going to visit our child in prison
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  Speaker 4: because he had done something so horrible. How would we feel?
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  Speaker 4: So I've always tried to sympathize.
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  Speaker 1: But in that same sense, they can go visit their kids.
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  Speaker 1: We'll never hear that shit again.
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  Speaker 4: I know. Believe me, I think about it every day.
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  Speaker 6: I know, I do too.
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  Speaker 1: She's not sorry. She's sorry she got caught. That's the
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  Speaker 1: only thing she's sorry for.
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  Speaker 6: Do you feel that people can change?
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  Speaker 3: I've only been locked out for five and a half years,
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  Speaker 3: but this is my third prison I've been at. I've
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: been with several older women that have been down 28,
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  Speaker 3: 30 years. These women are amazing. People change. People do better.
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  Speaker 3: People accept what they've done. And they make it a
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  Speaker 3: point to change and to love and to grow and
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  Speaker 3: to make something of themselves, whether it's in here. For myself,
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  Speaker 3: I've accepted my part, my life, my torment. I've accepted
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  Speaker 3: that because I cannot change that.
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  Speaker 6: Is that because you realize that actually if you hadn't
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  Speaker 6: lured Seth over that day, he'd still be alive?
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  Speaker 3: He would have still been alive after that night, yeah.
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  Speaker 6: If I wouldn't have been the bait, At the time,
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: you wanted to blame everybody else, led by Michael. Have
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: you had any contact with Michael since? Would you like to?
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  Speaker 6: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I've had thoughts about it, trying to write him a
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  Speaker 3: letter and reach out, but I don't think I could.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't look at him, I couldn't talk to him.
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  Speaker 6: Why?
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  Speaker 3: Because for so long I blamed him for the person
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  Speaker 3: who I, in the beginning, said ruined my life. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think I could look at any of my co-defendants.
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  Speaker 6: Amber, thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 6: There's no doubt that she appears now to understand the
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  Speaker 6: enormity of what she did. She appeared to be contrite.
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  Speaker 6: Is there anything that she could say to you that
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  Speaker 6: would make any difference?
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  Speaker 4: To him, I could say no. I know that's his answer.
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  Speaker 1: Not a damn thing. She could die and make me
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  Speaker 1: feel that much better.
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  Speaker 6: What about you, Sonia?
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  Speaker 4: To me, no. It doesn't matter what she says to me.
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  Speaker 4: It's not going to make me feel any better. It's
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: not going to bring my son back. Maybe someday I
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  Speaker 4: could forgive her. Not today.