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Flatwoods Monster Indrid Cold | Ryan Burns · Ryder Lee

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So with that down, we have with us today returning guest researcher and
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the host of Paranormal Hero Paranormal Podcast, Ryan Burns. How's it going,
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my friend? Hey man, I was I was a blessing to talk to
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you and touch base and get into all the all the crazy stuff taking place,
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always wild stuff going on. But before we get into the some of
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the current things that are happening. Have you ever heard of the flat Woods
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Monster? Mm hmm, very interesting case there, and I just recently had
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heard about it. Whenever I went back to my hometown for the past.
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You know, my dad we went to this, uh me and my girlfriend
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we went to this this little shop there, and they had all the uh,
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the flat Woods Monster stuff. They had like Mothman stuff and like big
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Foot stuff. And I got these two magnets of the flat Woods Monster,
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and I was like, Wow, this is a really really interesting case.
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What do you know about it? You know, I think the craziest thing
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is basically just the appearance of the thing, right, it looks like it's
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wearing like this this strange dress kilt thing, and uh, you know,
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just the experience with the kids and what they for being nineteen fifty two,
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I think it was, you know, these these kids, you know,
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I think it was six kids completely you know, see this this non human
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entity that does not fit in any of the boxes of anything anybody has seen
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until that point. Oh yeah, show them the pictures are the best.
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I mean, it looks like this. I don't know, man, it
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just it seriously looks like something that you would see in like a really bad
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science fiction novel. You can make something up worse looking. But it's interesting
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that the fact that they all collaborate this and you know that the creature dragged
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like a lizard like hand they said, across the hood of the vehicle.
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You know it. It's it's crazy. It's one of my favorites because it's
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so wild. It is really wild, and I think some people have equated
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it to be in a large owl, but I don't think in a large
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owl. How's a flaming flaming head? Does it? I'm not seen it
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all with a flaming head. That's what they kind of describe the being.
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This is like having like a flaming head. That's what the tear drop behind
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the face of the creature is is like supposedly like a flame or like it's
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lit. Mm hmm. Yeah, it's kind of esoteric looking. If it
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really has like this flame behind its head or or whatever that is, it's
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it's super reminiscent of like ancient texts or biblical texts. Even you know how
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they have that aura over the over the different entities, and you know,
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being West Virginia, you have to wonder even in the fifties, you know,
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if there is government stuff, you know, just to the east,
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so you have to wonder if they were just testing stuff out in the out
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in the West Virginia countryside. But yeah, the creature, you know,
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it seemed to have just this Camara factor about it. You know, lizard
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like arms that didn't really fit the body, ahead that doesn't fit the body,
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this this strange kilt dress like thing, almost robotic in nature. It's
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crazy. You know, if I was a kid, this this would be
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horrific. Yeah, and some of the eyewitness accounts said that it would like
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float, that it was like like hover above the ground at them and like
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fly at them. Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like the stuff
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the villagers in the Alto Nana of Peru experience where it was about a meter
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off the ground flying around. Kind of looked like the green Goblin. They
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said. You know about these quote unquote aliens, which may or may not
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be we don't know, But yeah, when it comes to this legend,
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it's it's something that definitely caught a lot of traction because these kids, I
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mean, for being kids, they did not back down from the story,
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you know, no matter or how much people tried to corner them dissuade them,
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and it turned into a national sensation I think at the time, you
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know, and flying saucers were something that you know, unfortunately mistakenly was also
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grabbing a lot of attention at the time, which was misrepresentation and a misquote
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from Arnold. You never called the shape of the craft of flying saucer,
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said that the craft flew like saucers across water. He never said that the
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shape of the craft was flying saucers. But that's what all the newspapers printed,
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and it's probably the biggest misquote of all time. But it's really interesting
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with West Virginia, like there's so many different cryptids and different creatures like injured
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coal some people call them injured cold. Either way, you have that one,
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you have the moth Man, you have Bigfoot, you have the flat
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Woods Monster. It seems like for some reason, West Virginia is like a
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hub for these cryptid like creatures. Yeah, it's really interesting that you bring
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Indrid into it, because have you have you had a chance to speak with
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Greenfield, the author of The Secret Cipher of the Euphonats at all. No,
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but I would like to me too. Yeah, I've really wanted to
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talk to him because he came out with this like really thin little book which
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is called The Complete Secret Cipher of the Euphonauts. And among the strange phenomenon
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within that book is this injured cold character, this guy that keeps popping up
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right around these times. The guy pops up with the Secret Cipher of the
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Euphonauts pops up in West Virginia, has connections to apparently Valiant Thor. I
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mean, it just goes on and on. This dude just keeps popping up,
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and it kind of reminds me of the smiling man. You know,
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that creepy myth that is all over you know all social media channels. Now
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have you seen this face? And it's a guy that looks like he's out
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of his mind with a creepy smile. But this had a lot to do
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with ufology. Back in the fifties. People would see this creepy guy with
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a strange smile, and these rumors circulated about the same character injured cold or
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injured coal, and you know, it makes you wonder, is it was
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it just a government spook who got a bad rap, who was trying to
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disinform society and just happened to be unfortunately, you know, like a crisis
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actor at all these events, or is it a very real phenomenon. And
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I think Alan Greenfield kind of had some insight into that, But yeah,
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I would love to talk to him. I think it's interesting. Yeah,
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and also with the Men in Black, because the Men in Black were kind
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of spotted all around the Men in Black's thumbprints are all over the Mothman sightings,
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and uh, you know, it makes you think because I'm pretty sure
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injured Cole is depicted wearing like a black suit. He's like always smiling,
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and I'd have to refresh on the story, but I think that he spoke
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telepathically to the first person that he encountered close to Parkersburg, West Virginia before
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the Mothman sightings, a gentleman. It's not this car in the middle of
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the highway or something, and then there was like a craft in the middle
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of the highway. Or I might be getting the story confused, but now
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you're one hundred percent this dude just keeps potting. And it's one of those
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things where you're like bs and you start looking into it, and the more
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you look into it, the more it pops up. It's like one of
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those thorns in your side, you know. I think it's popped up with
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Hellier, It pops up with Kenneth Grant, Alistair Crowley, some ties to
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high strangeness in anyway, all kinds of other things, and you have this
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character and you know, I don't know, man, it seems as if
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he is very much along the lines of that men in black not quite human.
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You know. It reminds me a lot of what you hear, a
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lot of the quote unquote tip of the capstone of ufology these days as far
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as intelligence and what they say to many who you know, they've drawn a
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lot of attention by saying, you know that they walk among us, and
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they have for some time, and this has been met with all kinds of
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different form of attack, you know, laughter, comedy, you know.
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But yeah, there's there's there seems to be this advanced working group in in
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the government, in ufology circles and in the private sector, which are under
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the impression that these not quite human entities walk among us, and from time
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to time they have a hard time kind of pulling off the uh fitting in
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aspect of humanity. And I think this, this character is one of them.
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And you find, you know, I don't know, you find all
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kinds of instances where for lack. I mean in Vegas, for example,
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there's there's a very prevalent rumor. And I've heard this from casino workers.
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I heard it from the late John Lear, I've heard it from people other
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people, and it's it's basically that you know, these things like to go
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to public places from time to time, and that sometimes they sort of glitch
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out or they don't know how to socially interact with humans, and it can
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turn into quite the mess. And there was a story I spoke with a
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B and B owner in Green River, Utah, where the Green River Launch
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Complex used to be, which was like a super secretive sort of like White
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Sands, you know, like this launch complex that eventually was completely abandoned and
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it's just weird why it was there, but they would see this. This
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B and B owner said that, you know, for being abandoned from time
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to time, she believed that these military semi trucks and other military trucks would
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come in and utilize underground facilities at this launch complex for various reasons, and
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that from time to time when this would take place, they would see these
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strange people. You know, and I've been out there. It's like this
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this gravel road going out to an abandoned military facility where all the fences are
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busted down and you can go. Not a big deal, but they would
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see these like nineteen fifties cars come out of there that were like in perfect
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condition, like low mileage, and these these m ib looking characters. And
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one particular time, she's still there, still runs a B and B,
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and she said that one particular time at this diner, one of them started
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glitching out. In fact, the woman. There were two guys and a
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woman, and they all seemed to be very like robotic a m I be
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dressed to the nineteen fifties era. The woman had like the beehive hairdo,
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and she literally glitched out, you know, a lot like Hillary Clinton has
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on from time to time or other people you know in politics, but where
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it literally looked as if, in you know, her words, that there
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was a glitch with the with the operating system. And I remember she said
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that this lady with the beehive just kept like moving her head, trying to
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trying to like recalibrate, and it wasn't happening, and so these two guys
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had to walk her off and put her back into the car and leave,
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and a ton of people saw it. So I don't know, I mean,
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this is more modern times. But yeah, the mb thing just keeps
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coming up. Well. It's interesting because I think a lot of these buzzwords
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and a lot of the things that I've spoken about this a couple of times
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on the show have alternate and double meanings, and the public thinks that it
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means one thing, but it actually means something completely different. It's like a
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psychological operation almost, when people have been programmed to hear certain words and they
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take those words literally, or to take those words in a different kind of
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way, like cross or tree, like alien invasion. You know, alien
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takes on a completely different meaning when you just add one word in front of
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it, just add a legal onto it, and it takes on a whole
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other meaning. And yeah, it makes a lot more sense whenever they say
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that they're all around us and they've always been here when you put illegal in
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front of the word, because they are and they always have been right,
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and it takes on a different type of a whole other meaning, and it's
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a literal meaning, and the same with like you know, crash retrieval.
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You know, crash retrieval can be anything. It can be a down satellite,
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it can be a down aircraft, it could be a military aircraft.
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And something that I've realized is it doesn't matter how much time has passed in
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between something crashing and it being discovered. So something could have been found that
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is hundreds and hundreds or maybe even thousands of years old and it becomes discovered
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that would still be considered a crash retrieval. But the problem is is that
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people within the community, whenever they hear the word crash retrieval as it's related
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to UFOs and extraterrestrials, they think that it's something modern. They think that
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it's something that happened just recently, that someone saw the craft go down and
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then they went to examine it or excavate it, or the military solid on
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some kind of radar, or they got a call from another country to come
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in grab an exotic craft that they don't know what it is. When it's
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possible that the crash retrieval could be something that was dug up in an archaeological
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dig in the Middle East that could be hundreds or thousands of years old.
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And that's what is interesting to me about the Bobblesar case. Like you know,
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and a lot of people have different feelings about Bobblesar, but one thing
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they was interesting that stuck out to me whenever he's telling this story is that
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he said that he was under the impression that at least one of the craft
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that he witnessed or that he worked on, he was under the impression that
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it was dug up, that it was found in an archaeological dig. And
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then when you look at the Wilson documents as well, regardless if you think
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that the Wilson documents are real or fake, I personally believe that they're fake.
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And some people would argue with that, especially Richard. Richard Dolan would
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put his life on the line to say that the Wilson documents are real.
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But John Greenwald Junior has really disproven the whole Wilson documents. But it's interesting
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with the Wilson documents because it claims that they have possession, like the government
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has possession of a craft, but they're not sure what it is, and
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they think that it could fly. Well, putting the emphasis on that you
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think that it can fly and you think that it may be some sort of
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anti gravity craft, it means that you've never seen it actually do what it's
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supposed to be doing. No one witnessed what you thought what you think that
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it can do. So where did it come from? That come? In
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my mind? I'm thinking a well, you know, maybe it was a
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dug up. Maybe a lot of these uh crafts that we think are coming
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from other worlds and other planets aren't coming from other worlds, or they're not
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coming from extraterrestrials. They're actually coming from the planet itself and they're just old
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technology from a previous civilization or previous species that was here. Yeah, it's
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it's a big it's a cluster because when it comes to intelligence. And I'm
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glad you mentioned the Wilson documents because you know, you hear how Eric Davis
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was forced to meet with this guy Wilson in a parking lot, and and
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and I and I understand the the reality or at least what seems to be
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an apparent reality that Greenwald has debunked this. However, has he And the
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reason I say that is what better governmental loud speaker or speaking piece than John
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Greenwald where you can have him say whatever you want through a simple FOYA sent
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to his address. So I find that he is quite literally controlled opposition.
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You know, if there's anything they would like to throw or cast doubt upon,
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it's very easy. The Freedom Information Act is very technical if you've looked
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at it, because misinformation and disinformation is legally accepted as information and it can
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also be sent out if national security is involved. So he's the ultimate mouthpiece
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if you wanted to detract from any potential secretive behavior by the same toe.
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And I argue that sometimes many of the same forces are controlling the more extreme
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Well wow, something just flew by my window. I hope that was a
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bird, the more extreme crazy stories in ufology. I argue that many times
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characters in the intelligence community are actually at both ends of this sort of throwing
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up guardrails, you know, along the narrative that they would like, which
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is usually in the middle, and they don't want people to get too crazy
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on it. And if they do. They want to know who they are
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and they don't want people to get to debunky on it. And if they
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do get super debunky, they want to know who they are because those are
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also assets they can control in real time and other scenarios and information and that
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data is quite literally, you know, the gold of disclosure, right That's
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that's what you want to be able to. That is the currency of disclosure
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is having people you can control or assets. And I would argue that a
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lot of people who claim to be uncontrollable are assets, and among those,
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you know, they don't know it in a lot of cases. So you
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know, you're asking to debunk the Wilson documents, and you send a Freedom
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of Information Act request and you get something back, and you read that as
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if it's gospel, when in reality you realize that we are kind of dealing
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with the two wings of the same birds. So you know what he had
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done though, is he examined the actual stamp on the document. Though it
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wasn't that he read something or the four year requests came back and said that
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the document wasn't real. He was examining the stamp on the Wilson document and
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he's seeing that there was inconsistencies and incongruencies that other documents don't have, so
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that the stamp wasn't right on the Wilson document like it's right on all the
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other documents that he has gotten in. So it's an interesting thing working with
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working with documents and being able to spot something that could be fake might not
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be fake. I mean the hard part is you can get those stamps,
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Like you can buy those stampers, like you can put it on anything,
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which is super crazy. I have a bunch of them, so like,
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and you know, you can get them and you can either make an like
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you said, an illegitimate document look legitimate, or you could do the opposite,
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and you can do so after the fact, you could actually have a
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legitimate document and then you could nail it with like one of these stampers.
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And that's just what it does. You Like, I'm sure you've seen them.
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You know this one's true, dot, But you can get them from
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everywhere, and the government used quite often. It's sort of like the new
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version of the wax seal. Remember like how people had the signet rings and
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they would put the wax seal like, oh it's official. So but yeah,
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one hundred percent. I've seen that, and it's interesting, but it
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reminds me a lot, you know, of the you know, when when
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it comes to these quote unquote aliens, because in a lot of the documentation,
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as you said, the word alien is written everywhere in government documents.
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However it's assumed, as you said, that it is people not of this
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country, which would technically qualify in all accounts. Right, all you have
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to do is put illegal before that word, like you said, and you
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already you all of a sudden have like a whole new a whole new genre
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of you can say whatever you want basically. And we find this with you
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know, many of the stories that revolve around Corso and the Foreign Technology desk.
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You know who foreign technology. It could be from out of this world,
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yes, but it could also just be you know, a couple of
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thousand miles away, so in another country. So it's really difficult because I
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find that these vague terms are how a lot of the government documentation is passed
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back and forth and people can basically say whatever they want to say and not
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be found out. And a really good example is UAP. You know,
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everybody was looking for UFO for decades they were using these other three letters thinking
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they were all spycraft and yeah, lo and behold, it took a while
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for people to find out. Yeah, and then I mean there's a lot
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of proof of people just coming up with it, you know, doing fake
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documents. My my friend Paul Knight did one for a April Fool's joke.
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He created a fake CIA document for one of his friends exclaiming that the CIA
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was investigating this Facebook group. Looked really legit. And then a couple of
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years later he sees that document, that fake document that he made pop up
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on someone's YouTube channel and they're taking it as truth. They're like, oh,
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here, look, this is really real. The CIA isn't investigating this
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Facebook group, you know. I mean, and that's how easy it is.
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And I just had a Richard Dodion the other day, and you've had
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him on a couple of times as well, and he was supplying fake documents
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that half of the freaking UFO community. Yeah, I mean job description with
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Linda Moulton Howe and right, and it's like here does this pass the sniff
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test? Yeah? And it's it's amazing, man, you know that the
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alien thing with them walking among us have you looked at all into uh,
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organic robatoids? Have you looked into that? No? What is that?
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So there was this guy, a doctor Peter David Beater, who was this
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authoritative source up until the point where he came out with this wait wait wait
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his name is Peter Beeter. Yeah, I swear, I swear doctor Peter
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David Beeter and Peter some call him, uh Peter David better, but I
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like Peter and doctor Peter Beeter at your service. Yeah, super respected though,
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like it's it's beard. He was like this way respected doctor. Everything
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he said was gospel, and and then he came out with this theory about
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organic robotoids, which was like synthetic humans, and he lost all credibility at
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that point. But there's some pretty interesting, you know, stuff out there
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about these synthetic organisms. And I think it was like in the same year
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the iPhone came out, there was a new article that came out about the
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progress and how they have created these synthetic organisms that literally are like living robots.
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They call him xenobots. And this didn't come out again until about twenty
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in the twenty twenties, like maybe twenty twenty one, and these xena bots
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go figure right after twenty twenty. But these xenobots are a type of programmable
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organism made from frog cells and they basically replicate by spontaneously gathering up loose stem
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cells and so they can self replicate. But this is, uh, you
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know, it's weird, like this whole this whole organic robotoid. It's something
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you have to check out because it sounds a lot like, you know,
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some of these MIBs basically glitching out, like what we were talking about before,
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where they look sort of alien but they're human. They glitch out,
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they're not really they are biological, but they're also robotic and they have a
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limited shelf life and uh yeah, I don't know. It reminds me of
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the movie Multiplicity where they can like almost pull it off but not quite right,
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like there's something wrong with the clone. But I don't know. They're
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NPCs. Basically, that's something you got to check out. As Peter Beeter,
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Peter Beeter, doctor Peter Beeter, gotta get him on, bro get
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on, not Peter Beeter. No, but I think that there is something
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to that. If it's not straight up clones, then it's like human cybernetics,
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human like cyborgs or something like that. I mean, they've had to
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have had that technology for a really long time. I mean I got no
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proof, no evidence, just personal thought in theory. But they would definitely
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have to have some sort of because what better way to run an operation and
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not let people know exactly what you're doing than bring any cyborg or bring in
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some sort of non biological mixed with biological entity, because then you can you
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can get away with whatever you want. Then do whatever you want then,
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because there would be nobody to blow the whistle. You just throw them into
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a trash compactor and that's it, or you you know, flip off,
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turn off their off switch and boom, it's done. You've gotten away with
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whatever it is, whatever kind of operation, whatever kind of maybe even assassination
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that you wanted to do, and no one has to go to jail the
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perpetrator. There's no consequences. M hm. And you know what's strange about
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that is there are images from this same era and this is going back,
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this is going I mean, these are these are not you know, in
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the two thousand, this we're talking about older stuff where there is like older
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images black and white images of people working on these allegedly at DARPA. Uh,
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there's actually quite quite. I mean, you could you could fill like
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a banker's box of all the ones. I've seen. Some of them look
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faker than others, but you know, they usually have more or less along
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the back, like like a seam or a zipper, and uh, that's
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where everything is accessed. And you know, it seems far fetched, but
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then again, I mean you look at these, you know, these these
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robots by SpaceX or elon the you know, the Tesla robots. And I
32:31
mean I know people that have orders for those who are like waiting for like
32:36
to receive those And first of all, I think they have entirely too much
32:40
money. But who the hell would want this in their home? And I
32:44
know people that have ordered this and they're like literally waiting for this robot to
32:49
show up at their house. And it can do everything they are alleging.
32:52
You know, it can clean up, it can take out garbage, it
32:55
can do all this stuff. And if you threw a silicone suit on it,
33:00
could you really tell, you know that it is a robot? I
33:04
don't think. I don't think we could, and I don't I don't.
33:07
I don't know entirely that we realize how long this has been going on.
33:12
And if it's been going on an extremely long time, then it should be,
33:19
by all intents and purposes perfected by now, like you said, you
33:22
don't need to do certain things because you can just fire one of these up
33:28
and have it done for you. Well, have you heard of the Ferby
33:32
the Furby Conspiracy? No, let's hear this. I love it. Well,
33:38
apparently I have something to do with the NSSA, And the NSA was
33:42
putting in these listening devices into all of the Ferbies and all the Furbies were
33:50
collecting all of this data and all this information about all of the all the
33:54
households the Ferbies were in in the late nineties into the early two thousands because
34:00
Furbies were super freaking popular. And then when you think of well, I
34:07
just watched this documentary on Netflix called the American Conspiracy the Octopus Murders. Have
34:15
you looked into that at all? Yeah? He actually just I talked to
34:19
a guy that know that knows not only the guy that came out with the
34:22
documentary, but knew the guy who was killed in the hot tub. I
34:29
believe his name was Dan, and he kind of went into detail about this
34:35
this scenario and what they really knew and how the software this this was out
34:43
you know way back then, this software was out there that was you know,
34:46
it falls right into a line with a lot in the line with a
34:50
lot of the conspiracies out there that we have you know, software or basically
34:55
zero point quantum computing that they claim doesn't exist, but that it is in
35:00
fact around. And it kind of makes sense because we have these huge data
35:06
centers popping up everywhere that look like Fort Knox and have security that far outweighs
35:12
the security of banks, even because they say data is the new gold.
35:15
And yet we are expected to believe that all these all these for lack of
35:21
a better word, listening centers right private and governmental, are basically collecting data
35:30
for the time when we have this quantum computing available to go through it all
35:35
instantaneously and without any real return on investment. But you know the argument is
35:43
that we have had you know, this software around, and I think that
35:45
kind of touches on it a little bit. But no, I haven't seen
35:49
the documentary yet. I need to watch it. Did you get a chance
35:52
to watch it. Yeah, it's really interesting. So basically what happened was
35:55
that this gentleman was the software engineer and software company signed a contract with the
36:05
Department of Defense to create this data software to track criminals and like track court
36:13
cases and bring certain relating factors from different cases all together to like cross examine
36:21
them. And the Department of Justice ended up bankrupting his entire company and stop
36:25
paying him and stole the software. Well, it turns out that they wanted
36:31
they put a backdoor into the software in order for them to collect all the
36:37
data from that the software was presenting to people, and they would sell that
36:43
software to different countries intelligence communities, So then the United States had access to
36:52
all of the other intelligence communities in all the different countries that they sold the
36:58
software to. One of the first people that they sold it to was Canada,
37:01
so they had the access to whatever Canada was using the software to do.
37:09
The United States government had access to figure out what it is that they
37:15
were using the software for as well, and it eventually spread out to almost
37:20
every country, well not every country, but a lot of different countries.
37:24
So it was basically setting up a The United States was setting up a surveillance
37:31
world, and then what do we get? What's the next evolving thing from
37:38
that? Right, what do we start getting in the early two thousands cell
37:45
phones, right, listening devices, data collection. So they spread it out
37:52
from because they were not only selling it to their enemies, but they were
37:57
also selling the software to their ally as well. They're like, okay,
38:01
well, how do we do this on a grander scale? You know,
38:05
how do we get people like the individual everyday personal, you know person,
38:12
how do we get them with that? Well, we'll give them all cell
38:14
phones. That's not in the documentary, but that's just my thought process of
38:21
the evolving nature of it. They don't have to do that anymore. They
38:25
don't have to create a software and sell it to a different country to spy
38:29
on them. They already have the spy everyone's already got the spy software in
38:35
their hands, in their pocket, you know. So that's why the dots
38:38
that I was connecting from watching the documentary and that because that was what started
38:46
like thirty years ago. You know. The whole software is called Promise.
38:52
It's called Promise software that this guy Bill, I forget what his last name
38:58
is, I just watched it. Last name, So I'm not. Oh
39:01
no, everyone's names and oh yeah, but you should talk to His name
39:09
is doctor A true At, and he's you know, he was actually dealing
39:15
with this stuff, and he's had a really interesting career doing different things,
39:20
and he knows a lot of interesting people in Washington, and this particular story
39:25
shocked him. You know that it made Netflix. Basically, he was shocked
39:30
that it was in the public domain. And I can see why because there
39:37
is, you know, also this project called Pagasus, not the one with
39:40
and with Pisiago, not the time travel thing, not the super space program
39:45
time travel and Super Soldier one. Well, and I should not say that
39:49
it's not connected, but there is a project called Pagasus, which is a
39:52
spyware developed by an NSO group and as of March of last year, as
40:01
of one year ago, it's called Pagasus, and they said that Pegasus operators
40:07
could remotely install spywear on anybody's cell phone with a zero click exploit. So
40:14
that just means all you need is their phone number and you can install this
40:20
this this spyware, and like you said, it's been utilized by law firms,
40:24
courtrooms, et cetera. And you no longer have to do like you
40:29
know, the nineteen seventies. You know, oh, I've got a chip
40:32
and we'll stick it in the uh, in the back of the FM transmitter
40:37
and all that. All that stuff, you can literally just purchase, for
40:43
lack of a better word, Pagasus from nso Group, which is literally,
40:47
uh, it's an Israeli cyber arms company with ties to the CIA, and
40:55
I you know, many argue that it is the CIA and they're just doing
40:59
business through n SOO Group to covertly kind of hide who's in control. But
41:06
people have known that with Massad for a long time. But yeah, all
41:08
you need is somebody's phone number and you can you can remotely install this spyware
41:13
and you can look it up. It's out there, and people still don't
41:15
believe that we are all being listened to. It's crazy. Well, that's
41:21
another thing that they do, too, Ryan, is that they try and
41:24
hide legitimate, real program names under like fantasy things. It's another misdirection.
41:35
It's just like the buzzwords have alternate meanings as well. While the names of
41:39
these programs also have alternate meanings too. I mean we've seen that with you
41:46
know, Operation Looking Glass, like people talking about that. This is you
41:50
know, people in the community are like, oh, Project looking Glass was
41:54
a project to see into the future and see what events are going to happen
41:58
in the future and see brought in time. And then there's four of them
42:00
all. Russia's got one, Germany's got one, United There's got one.
42:04
There's one just floating around in space or whatever. Well, Operation looking Glass
42:08
is a real operation, but it was to put a nuclear command post in
42:14
space. Seeing with the Stargate project, you know, everyone in the community
42:17
all the Stargate project was a time traveling a twenty and back portal that would
42:23
take you into space, and then adri Rushiu and then all this stuff and
42:27
then well, no, Stargate project was a real government program for remote viewing
42:31
and psychic ability as a data collection program. And it's the same with this
42:37
Pegasus thing that you're talking about. You know, we have the hairy fairy
42:42
mystical nonsense that people think that these programs actually are, and then there's the
42:52
real program, which is which is a way to cover up with the mystical
43:01
nonsense. Harry, fairy stuff is a way to cover up the real thing.
43:06
That's the way that I look at it. Anyway, because if you
43:07
have people talking about a bunch of fairytale nonsense, then the real thing can
43:14
just be swept up underneath the rug and no one will ever know about it
43:16
because they're all convinced that is something completely different. It's the exact same thing
43:21
with the words that we were just talking about, you know, twenty minutes
43:24
ago. It's the exact same thing. It's a misdirection. It's misdirection and
43:29
misinformation, disinformation and deception. That's what Richard Dody caught it. Deception operation
43:36
right. It's a deception, is what it is. It It what better
43:42
way to hide everything in plain sight that when you look up something like Project
43:46
looking Glass, or when you look up something like Project Pegasus, it takes
43:51
you to a crazy time travel conspiracy rabbit hole, and it doesn't tell you
43:55
about this this uh covert spyware that's being used by almost every country to listen
44:02
on its people. And of course this stuff is very real. You can
44:07
look it up. You can look up the NSO group, you can look
44:10
up Pegas's spyware. And you know the craziest thing about it is they've been
44:15
trying to find out a way. This is where it gets really scary to
44:20
detect. They can't even detect if it's on your phone, like like they're
44:24
trying to look and it was what's wild about that? Is h January of
44:32
this year, twenty twenty four, Kaspersky Labs said in a press release that
44:39
they think they found a way to detect it, and you have to Basically,
44:45
it's only effective if the device is rebooted the same day that it's installed.
44:51
And the only and the only way that you can detect it is through
44:58
digital forensics. So so I mean it's virtually undetectable. They can they can
45:02
download it remotely, and a bunch of countries, you know, claim,
45:07
oh, well, this is being used against criminals and terrorists, And the
45:12
bottom line is it's like you said, it's now it's anybody with the cell
45:15
phone, anybody with the cell phone, and they can target, you know,
45:21
anybody they want, and then they can get them to either play ball
45:27
or control them in some way, because it is tied to the justice and
45:30
legal systems. Yeah, and it serves as the best cover up. That's
45:37
why I believe that the whole alien and extraterrestrial thing is a cover up,
45:45
and not in the way that people think that it's a cover up. I
45:46
think it's another mistraction and another disuption. I guess you got people believing in
45:53
space, aliens and extraterrestrials. Then it paves a way to cover up advanced
46:04
technology, advanced military drones, and what technology we might actually have. And
46:10
that to me is the real reason for the buzzword national security threat. It's
46:21
not a national security threat because there's extraterrestrials. It's a national security threat because
46:28
if other countries find out that it's our technology, then we're exposed and they
46:34
know it. That's why the buzzword is used as national security threat. I
46:39
see it has an alternate meaning. It has a different meaning than what people
46:45
assume that it actually means. And normally it's the most logical and critical thing
46:57
that you can think of. But intelligence communities have ufology and a lot of
47:05
these groups thinking that it's something different, that they're right, whenever they're actually
47:12
wrong, and they've been telling us the truth the entire time. Deception right,
47:20
deception after deception, tricking people into believing that it's kind of like gas
47:25
lighting in a way, sort of, you know, like you see something
47:30
and they tell you that you didn't see it, even though that you see
47:35
there's a relation there between you know, they're they're doing a little gas lighting
47:39
there as well. So it's like, well, you know what's going on,
47:44
And when you go and you examine these words and you take the critical
47:47
thought process and the common sense behind exactly what they're seeing, it's completely different
47:53
than what our preconceived notions and our preconceived thoughts due to the programming of this
48:00
community wants us to believe. Yeah, it's it's it's weird because I find
48:09
that a lot of these pathways, whether they be intelligence oriented or like the
48:15
physical nuts and bolts aspects like technology, that there there's such they have such
48:21
a massive bandwidth that sometimes they tend to backfire among these working groups. And
48:28
what I mean by that is it's a lot like magic, right, It's
48:32
it's a lot like magic itself, where you have like this uh sorcerer of
48:37
the magic of the black magic cult of whatever, and he has to be
48:44
careful because there's there's always the ability for someone else to utilize this sorcery against
48:51
them. And I think it's the same with technology. It's you know,
48:54
with these technical details, it is a lot like uh, like a like
49:00
a magical circumstance because it's backfired. And and not to go back too much
49:07
on the project Pegas's stuff, but do you remember when Saudi Arabia got caught
49:12
like murdering that guy in the embassy, Jamal Kashogi. Yes, where they
49:15
like hacked into pieces and it was all caught on his eye watch. Well,
49:23
that project that that's Pegas's spyware was used by Saudi Arabia to spy on
49:31
Jamel Kashogi. That's how they found everything out about it and why they lured
49:37
him into the embassy to do what they did. And then by a strange
49:40
twist of fate, his eye watch again technology caught it all, started recording
49:46
for EMS services and sort of threw him under the bus. So I argue
49:52
that technology and magic and you know, really this this information and disinformation,
50:00
it's sort of a it's a catch twenty two. It's a double edged sword.
50:04
It goes both ways. So it's going to be interesting how this is
50:07
used in the future, especially with AI and you know, our freedom's disappearing
50:13
at a very quick rate. Yeah, and also with you know technology,
50:19
it's like we're not going to get anything publicly that can't be dual use,
50:28
that they can't use in some sort of nefarious way. You know, they're
50:35
not going to give us any kind of technology that can't be used against this,
50:43
just like you know with the problem of software, they're putting a back
50:47
door into the software. And I was in the late eighties into the early
50:52
nineties. You know, it's like, well, you know what all has
50:57
advanced since then, and what have they been doing? They were doing that
51:00
then, and see people like to say, oh, well, that was
51:04
back then. There's no way that they're doing anything like that now, just
51:07
like with the MK ultra programs, when you know, you bring it up
51:10
to normal everyday people you know that aren't in this community, you tell them
51:16
about it. The CIA was doing mind control experiments in the early fifties into
51:22
the seventies, and they'll be like, oh, well that was back then.
51:28
They're not doing that anymore, you know what I mean. And I
51:31
think that that's really the way that it works. They have to kind of
51:39
the reaches like a period of time where the kind of the NDA is expired
51:47
on it, because there's been enough time passing between it where they kind of
51:52
have to come in and be like, oh, yeah, well we were
51:57
doing this thirty years ago, but magically we're not doing it anymore. Right,
52:04
So it's like to let the public be aware. But then it's like
52:07
the public just kind of brushes it off as like a one time thing,
52:14
which makes zero sense. I mean, the project, the Promise solftware was
52:20
very successful, and with it being very successful, it would need to change
52:25
and evolve. And that's another thing with like the Stargate project. I've done
52:31
a deep dive into the remote viewing I've read all the documents and done a
52:37
lot of research into that, and that program worked regardless if the CIA said
52:43
that no intelligence data was ever collected. The evolving nature of remote viewing,
52:51
there's another step to it. There's another application that it can be used for
53:00
the way that other programs have worked. You look at it and you're like,
53:04
Okay, well they're definitely still doing it. They're definitely still using that
53:09
technology, but it's just a different kind of application. That's the way that
53:17
I feel about the remote viewing programs. This way I feel about this promise
53:21
software. That's how I feel about really anything that has success and works.
53:27
They're going to continue doing it. But it's just going to be continued with
53:30
a different application in mind. Then it's going to be named something completely different,
53:35
just like the change from flying saucers into UFOs, from UFOs to UAPs,
53:40
from UAPs to USOS. It's a switching of the name of what you
53:46
call it. So therefore anything that came before it can't really be lumped into
53:52
the same category. It's something completely different. What are your thoughts on It's
53:59
kind of shocking. It's cool that you had Rickdodion because he claims there is
54:02
a new version right of this remote viewing that is more technical. What are
54:08
your thoughts on that? Well? I was kind of shocked whenever he told
54:13
me that, because I thought that I had came to that conclusion on my
54:15
own. I don't listen to other people. I don't really listen to other
54:20
people's shows. I get all my information. It feels like it comes from
54:24
me. Now, people can say whatever they want, but it's normally through
54:29
research and looking into things and reading right, and then I formulated my own
54:35
conclusions and my own ideas based off of the things that I look into.
54:39
And I had come to that conclusion early on through reading through all the Stargate
54:45
documents, all the remote viewing documents, the SRI documents, the DIAD documents,
54:49
the Army intelligence documents, and I was like, okay, well,
54:53
they definitely kept going with this, but it's speculation. It's just theory and
55:00
idea. And I brought that up to a few of the remote viewers that
55:05
were officially a part of the Stargate program, and a few of them kind
55:07
of agreed with me, and a few of them just completely shut me down
55:10
immediately. So I kind of just really stopped talking about it because I just
55:15
hit a dead end with it. And then when he brought it up in
55:19
our interview, I was like, because someone made a comment. They were
55:22
like, Doughty claims that it's They called it something else. It started with
55:30
an A yeah, TPA, yes, And I had never heard that before.
55:36
And I brought the comment up on the screen and uh, Doughty commented
55:40
on it, and I was like, that's really interesting because it sounds like
55:46
remote influencing. Sounds like implanting thoughts and ideas and beliefs into someone's head remotely
55:57
and being able to control them, not even in the same area as them.
56:01
And Limb Buchanan, which I've had on my show quite a few times
56:06
now says that it's one hundred percent possible, and I can prove that as
56:09
possible because I have documentation telling people how to do it, so I know
56:15
that it's real, and that would be the next step that I could feasibly
56:21
see them going in after the Stargate program got shut down, which was all
56:25
about data collection on foreign targets, you know, retrieving information, getting information,
56:32
and giving it back to the intelligence community. Regardless if they used it
56:37
or not, it was still an application of it. And I was like,
56:42
well, this remote influencing would be the next logical step in the evolving
56:49
nature of remote viewing. And I was like, that program sounds like remote
56:55
influencing, which DOTI called it, you know, something different, But I
56:59
was like, that's those were my exact same thoughts. So I was kind
57:02
of mind blown in that that he was told, I believe by a general.
57:09
He said it in our interview that a general told him that that's pretty
57:13
much what the program was, and that it's ran by the CIA. And
57:19
that's another thing that I immediately thought as well. I was like, well,
57:22
why would the CIA shut down this program in ninety five when they had
57:24
all the success with it, and the only two options that I came to
57:29
the conclusion of was one they already had a program, and two they found
57:36
a different application for it. And that different application for it, they couldn't
57:40
carry over the people that was already in that program into a new program that
57:47
does something that involves remote viewing but not what they're used to. So theory
57:54
speculation that they shut down that program to open up a remote influencing program or
58:02
a remote control program. Lim Buchanan calls it both remote remote control. That's
58:09
essentially what it is. It's putting thoughts and ideas and beliefs inside of your
58:15
head. And limb Buchanan was actually approached with asking him if he could kill
58:22
somebody with his mind, and I was like, holy shit, if you
58:27
can make if you can do assassinations remotely, what a skill? What a
58:37
skill? Like you can raise someone's blood pressure to such a level that they
58:44
have a heart attack and die. Would that not be something if you were
58:51
an intelligence community? Would that not be something that you would want to do.
58:54
But then Lynn was like, well, I kind of came to this
58:59
conclusion on my own. He didn't outright say this but I was like,
59:02
oh, well, what would be because that kind of seems a little redundant
59:07
and kind of unclimactic just to give someone a heart attack and kill them,
59:14
Right, what you would want to do is remotely influence someone else to commit
59:23
the assassination or the killing for you, because that's way more. That gives
59:32
a much bigger upheaval. That's a political upheaval when someone does when there's like
59:42
a victim and there's like a culprit for it. If you're just outright,
59:45
you know, killing people with your mind, then it's like, uh,
59:52
I think doctor David Morehouse put it this way, or and maybe it was
59:55
Shane the Ruiner. He was like, oh well, it's kind of like
59:59
a sam Bin Laden just dying in a cave. You know that's not exciting,
1:00:05
right, You want Seal Team six going in there and taking him out.
1:00:09
That makes a lot of sense. Yeah, man, it is that
1:00:16
TPA. You know Rick. The amazing thing about Rick Dodie is for for
1:00:22
all the shade that people throw at him, when you when you hit him
1:00:25
with a lot of those hard questions, it becomes obvious that he really does
1:00:30
know, you know, things that others don't and you know, to be
1:00:36
completely honest, he's saved I can't go into it, but he's saved my
1:00:39
tail in the past. And he was telling me about well, similar to
1:00:45
like the Stargate project, where you have a project shut down and then it's
1:00:49
renamed or reprack packaged or rebranded. There was an LLC that was trying to,
1:00:55
uh, basically have me sign some stuff, and through a mutual friend,
1:01:02
I reached out to Rick and he, in so many words, he
1:01:07
said, well, you know that LLC has thirty eight sub LLC's and I've
1:01:13
worked with them a long time and basically run like, don't sign. And
1:01:20
yeah. It's in times like those that you realize that Rick really does know
1:01:24
his stuff. And it makes you wonder with things like remote viewing and TPA,
1:01:30
how different is it really as you've said then, you know, way
1:01:34
back when you look at the work of like John d and his Imperial Vision,
1:01:38
you know, utilizing magic in the Inochian language to basically, you know,
1:01:45
tell the British Crown just wait, I think a storm is going to
1:01:50
come and it's going to sink all of these ships and we don't even have
1:01:52
to engage. We can go in and clean up afterwards. And like you
1:01:58
said, it's implanting that into the into the universe, into the universal consciousness,
1:02:05
basically alchemically planting those seeds and waiting for the evidence of what takes place
1:02:14
afterwards. And yeah, it how different is remote viewing TPA from Actually it's
1:02:21
rebranded, it's renamed, But how different is it really from you know,
1:02:25
going and seeing you know, a woman with a crystal ball or looking at
1:02:30
the works of John d These are all areas where you have laboratories like pair
1:02:36
Monroe Institute. The list goes on and on where you know, this stuff
1:02:40
has been studied and funded by the government for a long time. And as
1:02:46
you said, at the end, they always say, oh there's no data,
1:02:52
no, no, no proof, but they sure keep funding it.
1:02:54
So it makes you wonder what's going on. They just rebrand, rename,
1:02:58
repackage, and refund and keep that shell game moving because that's that's the big
1:03:05
thing. They don't want to don't connect the dots. It's always it's always
1:03:08
destroy one and then oh, look we have this other project, or we
1:03:12
have this other LLC, or we have this other deal going on, and
1:03:17
we see that in so many different forms that it really makes you wonder,
1:03:22
you know what is really taking place? Well, that's how people hide and
1:03:28
keep from getting in trouble is they have multiple companies and other companies own other
1:03:34
companies. There's twenty different and it makes us so complicated and difficult to figure
1:03:39
out what's going on. So they're perfectly hidden. And uh, I mean,
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there's genius. What its evil? Genius? You know it is.
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It's it's literally magic because just the word corporation. Just think about that limited
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liabilit liability corporation or LLC. A corporation is basically an entity without a corpse,
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an entity without a body that you are magically creating that can own things,
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do business, stash cash, and it makes you wonder. You know,
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it is literally magic. You know this? This maritime law included a
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bunch of spell work in the spelling of the words that we use in our
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legal system. And I think corporation is an excellent one because it's necromancy.
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It's a dead entity that isn't alive, but it's able to function as a
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living, breathing human being and you can't do anything to it because it has
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limited liability. It's not there. So what are we creating. It's like
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creating a bunch of little you know, whether you want to call them a
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monculous or creating a bunch of little gollums, or you're basically creating these little
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entities that aren't human, don't exist, but they are accomplishing, as you
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said, in a lot of cases, a lot of evil things without any
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repercussions. That's right, and that is the way that it is done.
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And through all the name changes, the name switches, the funding coming from
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multiple directions, and the miss and disinformation and deception operations that's been ran,
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it's becomes increasingly difficult at every turn to get to the bottom of anything,
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not even just in the communities that were associated with, but just in anything
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whatever it is that you want to figure out, it's just as difficult.
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But Ryan, thanks so much brother for coming on. Really appreciate your time
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this evening. It was wonderful conversation. Can you can you let people know
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where to find you online? One hundred percent. Just look for hero Paranormal.
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