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Ohhhhh I Wanna Dance With Somebody · Never Post

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Mike Rugnetta: Friends, hello, and welcome to Never Post, a
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podcast for and about the Internet. I'm your host, Mike
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Rugnetta. This intro was written on Tuesday, 06/17/2025 at
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09:06AM eastern, and we have a bop for you this week. Georgia
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talks with Tim Lawrence, professor of cultural studies at
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the University of East London and author of multiple books
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about the history of dancing, DJs, and nightlife about why no
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one dances in the club anymore. I bet you can guess.
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Then the glorious return of what is going on here? Where the
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Neverpost team brings in posts to the group and asks, yes, that
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is right. What is going on here? And also sign offs. But right
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now, we're gonna take a quick break.
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influence your opinion of politicians. A new paper
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published in Social Media and Society titled Thirst Traps and
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Quick Cuts, the effects of TikTok edits on evaluations of
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politicians finds that quote, thirst trap edits cause an
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increase in perception of politician attractiveness and
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that badass edits improve overall evaluation of Donald
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Trump, but not Joe Biden.
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The study was conducted in June of last year ahead of Biden's
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exit from the presidential race. We argue, the author's right,
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that the proliferation of the technologies that make edits
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possible represents a significant shift in the
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practice of democratic politics. To date, a primary concern
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around digital media is the proliferation of misinformation.
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media and to democratic politics, we argue that it is
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more central to textual communication than to images or
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particularly video. We study a novel form of digital media that
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is manifestly not about facticity, end quote.
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And finally, Nexus Mods was purchased by Chosen, an
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they've built, amplifying their impact, supporting their team
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and culture, and ensuring the business thrives for the long
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by Robin Dark One Scott for more than two decades. In a statement
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responsible for the behemoth I created has taken its toll. The
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I realized that I have been burning out and this started to
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firmly believe that the best thing for the future of Nexus
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Mods is for me to step aside and bring in new leadership to steer
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the business forward with renewed energy to make Nexus
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Mods the modding community we all truly deserve, end quote.
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Nexus members immediately began digging into the past of the new
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management only to find endorsements of both
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cryptocurrency and NFTs which the new owners have since said
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will not be forced upon the modding community. Fingers
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crossed. That is the news I have for you in this week's episode,
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Georgia on phones at the club, and then what is going on here?
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But first, did you know that there was a time in history when
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content stopped? When it turned off and it wasn't available
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anymore? In our interstitials this week, sign off messages
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from three television networks aired in the late seventies and
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eighties.
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Signoff: This concludes our schedule of events for today. If
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and times.
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Georgia Hampton: For the last few months, I've been following
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this online conversation around a strange phenomenon happening
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at the club.
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Clip: We went to a bar the other night, and the DJ was playing
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bops. Okay. Kesha was played, Bad Bunny, Gasolina. And me and
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my friends were the only ones dancing. You get to the club and
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you just stand up.
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Or the bar or wherever you go. Wherever you go to hang out,
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you're not dancing. Why doesn't anyone dance anymore? Hello?
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Hello?
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Why aren't you dancing?
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Georgia Hampton: Across my feeds, I keep seeing videos and
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tweets and posts in which people claim that out at the club,
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nobody dances anymore. And there was often visual proof of this,
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clips where someone pans across a packed dance floor only to
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show people just standing around. As this concern started
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to swell online, the response to it came in just as quickly.
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Basically, and you'll be shocked to hear this, but it's that damn
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phone. There are too many phones out at the function and that's
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why nobody's dancing.
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Clip: You're worried about being on camera so people don't dance.
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No one wants to wake up the next day and see their face on like
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the club Instagram page.
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Why does no one wanna dance anymore? Like, nobody dances so
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boring blah blah blah.
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It's because when people do dance,
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you guys film them and put it on TikTok. Cut that shit out.
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Georgia Hampton: Beyond individual people commenting on
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this, Vox also published a piece a few months ago about this
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exact same phenomenon. And they came to the same conclusion,
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that the fear of being documented and having your
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likeness shared online was a huge reason why people choose to
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just forgo the act of dancing entirely. And I mean, I get
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that. Like, the irony is not lost on me that a lot of the
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videos I saw about the lack of dancing at the club were videos
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where people were filming the other patrons at the club not
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dancing. Phones are tools of distraction in virtually every
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part of our lives, but I just wonder what it is about the act
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of dancing and publicly dancing with other people that is so
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antithetical to the presence of a smartphone.
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Tim Lawrence: If the people around you are not dancing, but
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they're just talking, or they're on their phones or who knows
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what, It's not much it's kinda hard to have a good time. It's
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much easier to have a good time when everyone around you
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dancing.
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Georgia Hampton: That's Tim Lawrence.
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Tim Lawrence: I'm the author of three books on the history of,
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dance, music, DJ culture, and art culture in New York City in
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the nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties. I've been
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running, two community parties that place a high emphasis on,
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good stereo sounds, and I've been doing this for twenty two
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years now. One is called Lucky Cloud Sound System. Another is
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called All Our Friends, and I'm also the cohost of a podcast
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about music, the dance floor, and counterculture called Love
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is the Message.
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Georgia Hampton: Tim has spent his career writing about and
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immersing himself in club culture. He speaks about it with
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this deep reverence. And as he explained to me, the act of
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dancing in a public setting offers a kind of experience that
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just can't really be replicated anywhere else.
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Tim Lawrence: If we want to, we can just dance in our rooms, by
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ourselves. That's a perfectly legitimate thing to people to
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do. But if you do it with other people, you can have much more
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of a sense of elation. And the reason the reason this happens
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is you will generally be by being with other people, you
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interact with other people, then you can have more of a pre
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appreciation of of our existence and also the way that we
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basically cohabit, we with other human beings and, of course,
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with everything that is on the planet. What can happen in these
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situations is you can come close to having a sense of the essence
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of what it might be to be human.
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Georgia Hampton: Tim went on to mention that a defining feeling
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of communal dance is collective joy, a term popularized by the
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sociologist Barbara Ehrenreich in her 2006 book, Dancing in the
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Streets. In the book, she examines dance as an act that
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generates both a sense of togetherness with others, and
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also individual ecstatic pleasure. And that enjoyment
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comes in large part due to the freedom that can come from being
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a member of a collective sharing the same experience. Near the
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end of the book, Ehrenreich explains that, quote, the
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capacity for collective joy is encoded into us almost as deeply
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as the capacity for the erotic love of one human for another.
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We can live without it, as most of us do, but only at the risk
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of succumbing to the solitary nightmare of depression.
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She writes that later, quote, there is no point to it. No
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religious overtones, ideological message, or money to be made.
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Just the chance, which we need much more of on this crowded
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planet, to acknowledge the miracle of our simultaneous
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existence with some sort of celebration. To Ehren Reich,
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collective joy through public dance is just that. An excuse to
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celebrate, to express oneself freely among others who are
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doing the same.
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Tim Lawrence: When people want to get into the go onto a dance
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floor and just kind of forget about their everyday challenges,
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problems, the the things that might just kind of you can't
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stop, you know, you get stuck in your mind that you just find
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kind of, are undermining your sense of of of, tranquility,
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let's say, or goodwill or happiness. You get on the dance
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floor to let all of that go.
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Georgia Hampton: On the dance floor, you're not beholden to
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whatever role you hold in, quote, unquote, polite society.
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Nobody even knows your name, let alone what job you have or
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whether you have student loans or stress out about school. You
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get to be anonymous, to express yourself in a way that might be
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more, I mean, free by virtue of not needing to hold on to
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various components of your regular life. What's better,
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everyone around you is experiencing this feeling
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together, and that feels good, validating, comforting. It's a
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reminder that whatever baggage you left at the door of the club
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doesn't define every moment of your life, that this can also be
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part of your expression too.
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An expression in this space is collective and individual with
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both feeding on each other. The energy exuberance of the crowd
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is added to by your own form of self expression, by your own
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body dancing amidst all the other bodies. It's this perfect
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little circuit that is until the phones come in. So I said to
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Tim, can you fully express yourself on the dance floor if
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you know there's cameras?
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Tim Lawrence: Well, I certainly wouldn't be able to. The phone
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on some level is always going to disrupt. It's gonna take you
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away from being in that moment. But the the other thing about
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the phone is that it then takes you it affects everyone around
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you. So if someone is by you and they're on the phone, they're
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kind of you know, not only are they not there, but they're not
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contributing to the, you know, this dynamism of the party.
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It's all these bodies kind of, you know, in this kinetic motion
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that can beautifully kind of connect together. It's a
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circuit, and they interrupt the circuit.
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Georgia Hampton: To better understand this, we need to dig
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deeper into this notion of the crowd. Specifically, the
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difference between a crowd and an audience. Barbara Ehrenreich
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has an entire chapter of her book dedicated to what she calls
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the revolt of the audience. She writes that, quote, the great
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innovation of the modern era has been the replacement of older,
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more participatory forms of festivity with spectacles in
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which the crowd serves merely as an audience, unquote. An
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audience is expected to observe, to enjoy perhaps, but not to
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participate.
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As a member of the audience, you can clap, you can sing along,
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hell, you can even dance, but you are not the event. An
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audience demands the presence of a spectacle, of a single point
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of focus that everyone is there to observe. But the dance floor
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isn't meant to be like that.
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Tim Lawrence: The dance floor is is most expressive, most
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dynamic, most engaging when people are dancing with each
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other rather than looking at the DJ. If the crowd starts to look
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at the DJ, then you're just entering into a, let's say, a
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rock concert scenario, hero worship, etcetera, which is like
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chur. Everyone's facing the priest. Whereas actually, what
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we want is conversation, democracy, interaction,
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antiphony, call and response, whatever words we wanna give it.
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To me, the the dance is the audience, if you like.
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This doesn't have to be a leader figure here. It's about
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interacting with those immediately around you and and
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feeling this sense of kind of collective energy come through
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that, and it's and that surpasses your yourself as a
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individual.
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Georgia Hampton: When an errant phone camera appears on the
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dance floor, that structure falls apart. Using your phone is
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an inherently individual act, and as such, it severs you from
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the communal joy of group dancing. And sure, posting about
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it may bring you joy, but it's a kind of extractive joy. Through
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the phone, the sense of enjoyment you receive from
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sharing a video and getting likes or comments on it serves
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more as a commodity than a lived, embodied experience. It's
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a copy of the real thing.
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And don't get me wrong, that can still feel nice. But the simple
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act of pulling out your phone to record the DJ or yourself or,
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God forbid, a stranger on the dance floor, instantly destroys
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your role as a member of the crowd, of the collective, and
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turns you into the maker of a spectacle. Your audience, in
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this case, isn't anyone in the room with you. It's your
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followers. It's strangers online.
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Tim Lawrence: Something that says, we're gonna capture this
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moment and we're gonna, like, take it we're gonna take it
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outside of this environment because it's gonna preserve it.
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And then that can go online. It can be shown to other people. So
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on some level, it's a it's a possible breach of privacy,
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let's say. It's a possible breach of kind of intimacy.
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It threatens or it physically does kinda say, okay. This is
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this this moment doesn't have its own integrity.
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Georgia Hampton: In a lot of clubs, the reaction to the
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problem of phones on the dance floor is to flat out ban them
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entirely. In the time I've been doing research for this segment,
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several clubs have opened that make a point to say that cell
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phones are not welcome inside. The parties that Tim throws have
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no phone policies too.
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Tim Lawrence: People think it's a human right to be able to use
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your phone, one's phone. It's incredible. It's almost like
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sometimes the most offensive thing you can possibly say to
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someone is, do you mind not using your phone? Even though
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we've asked this numerous times over. It's like, oh, I just want
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to tell my friend where I am or oh, there's this reason or oh,
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there's that reason or oh, there's that reason.
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And it's always about like, well, it's it's okay for me, but
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but just not anyone else. But my my it's this is this is this is
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why I'm special, basically. And look. I I don't it's not
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serious. This is again, I don't want to take any of this too
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seriously.
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But what we what I do know and what the people I work with know
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is that it's much nicer. It's incomparable to have a a dance
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floor without phones than than, you know, a dance floor where
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everyone's on the phone.
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Georgia Hampton: Establishing a no phones policy interrupts that
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entitlement that Tim is talking about. An entitlement really is
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what it feels like here. Not just feeling entitled to
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checking your phone wherever you are, but to use it to document
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whatever's going on around you with little consideration of the
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impact that act has on the space you are physically embodying.
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It's the entitlement of creating a spectacle. So if you remove
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the sheer possibility of taking a video or posting a photo at
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the club, you deny the ability to create a spectacle and court
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an audience.
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You're also forced to focus your energy on the physical space
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that you're in. You have to remain in the real world
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environment of the dance floor without the possibility of
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recontextualizing it somewhere else. It makes me think of what
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Tim said earlier, how people come to dance in order to leave
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the stresses of their lives aside, Of what Barbara
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Ehrenreich wrote about how the ecstasy of communal dance comes
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with a shedding of the mask one has to put on in polite society.
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The no phone policy at the club suggests to me that part of that
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real world baggage is your phone. And there is a way that
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the phone does adhere itself to a kind of role that we are all
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expected to play for ourselves and for each other.
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Maybe it's being a poster, or a passive scroller, or a live
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streamer. But whatever it is, your relationship with the
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social Internet is a kind of performance that you do, so long
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as you have your phone in your hand. I do think that there is a
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degree of communal enjoyment that can come from posting
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online. It's a very accessible way of being seen, of sharing an
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experience, even if it's just through a screen. But it is just
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through a screen.
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It's a kind of togetherness that is inherently limited. It's
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flat. And as Tim said to me, it often doesn't really endure.
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Tim Lawrence: It's perfectly possible that some people, so
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enjoy being visible to others, being seen. Let's say being seen
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gives them the sense a sense of existing in the first place If
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they're not being kind of on some sort of screen, if they're
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not being watched and maybe admired, then they don't really
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exist, then maybe this group of people can can only express
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themselves fully when they're being watched. My belief is that
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this kind of this thrill the thrill that might come with the
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idea that you have an audience is inherently, ephemeral. It's
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meaningless. There's something addictive about it, you know,
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and it's the reason it's addictive is that it doesn't it
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doesn't doesn't it's not a lasting feeling.
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So you kind of have to kind of keep on being seen. Keep on
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being
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Georgia Hampton: interesting to me that Tim mentions the idea of
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ephemerality here. Because in a way, what's more transient, more
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temporary than a night out at the club? You'll never dance the
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exact same way twice. You'll never get to identically repeat
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the experience from one night to the next. Dancing is
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intrinsically temporal, an endless series of motions that
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disappear and are replaced with new ones.
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And to that point, a video or a photo of that night has more
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staying power. If you post a video of your friend death
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dropping on the dance floor, your Instagram followers can see
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it. You can rewatch it, and it exists for much longer than the
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experience of seeing it in real life. But I think the true
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staying power when it comes to collective joy is in the act of
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embodied participation. Of truly being a member of a crowd, all
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dancing and sweating together for no other reason than for the
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enjoyment of the experience.
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The phone can attract your attention. It can demand your
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participation. A phone is a great tool for documentation,
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for visual evidence of a wild night out, but it will never be
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embodied.
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Tim Lawrence: There is no video in the history of the planet
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that has been able to remotely capture what is going on on that
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dance floor, not remotely. We might give ourselves the
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impression that it does, but if we think about it, it's that it
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can't even come close.
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Georgia Hampton: An immense thank you to Tim Lawrence for
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sharing his thoughts and experiences on dance, club
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culture, and collective joy. To find more of his work, you can
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find him at timlawrence.com. And if you'd like to learn more
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about the parties he runs or even attend them yourself, you
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can find information at luckycloudsystems.com and
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allourfriends.com. I'll include links for all of that in the
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show notes. And I'm interested to hear your thoughts about
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phones at the club.
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Do you take videos on the dance floor? Does the threat of being
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documented affect how or if you dance publicly? How do you feel
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about the no phone policy? I mean, should it be implemented
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elsewhere, like at the gym, at the grocery store, everywhere?
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All the information on how to reach us is also in the show
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notes.
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Mike Rugnetta: Friends, hello, theydies and gentle thems.
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Welcome to what is going on here? A segment wherein members
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of the Neverpost staff bring a posts to the group about which
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they would like to ask. What is going on here? What?
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Could we have done some googling? Could we have gone
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further down thread? Could we have cracked a book or gone to
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YouTube? Probably. But where is the fun in that?
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In the following segment, we share things that we found
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online that made us want to know more and about which we thought
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the process of finding out more would be fun to do together.
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Joining us this round in order of how likely I think it is that
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they are descended from an Arcturian starseed are Never
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post executive producer Jason Oberholtzer. Are we ascending or
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descending? This is ascending. So Jason, I think you're
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probably just a human.
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Jason Oberholtzer: What gives it away? The depth behind my eyes.
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Mike Rugnetta: Never post producer Georgia Hampton.
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Georgia Hampton: Oh, thank God. I'm just glad I'm not the top
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one.
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Mike Rugnetta: Never post senior producer Hans Buteau already has
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the haircut.
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Hans Buetow: Your emotions might be telling you that you
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Georgia Hampton: Hans, no.
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Hans Buetow: Know things about technology.
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Mike Rugnetta: Go towards you are the light.
29:47
Hans Buetow: I am the light. It's reflecting off of my head.
29:53
Mike Rugnetta: Alright. Let's find out what is going on here.
29:56
Clip: Welcome
29:56
to today's game.
29:59
Georgia Hampton: Okay. I'm gonna send you three posts from
30:03
Instagram, and I want you to look at them in order. Hans, I'm
30:08
gonna have you I'm gonna have you start with, the aptly titled
30:12
post number one.
30:13
Hans Buetow: Post number one.
30:14
Georgia Hampton: And tell me what you see.
30:15
Hans Buetow: I'm opening up Instagram. The dress is gold.
30:18
Mhmm. It's from Ibiza. Ibiza.
30:21
I
30:22
Georgia Hampton: hate that.
30:22
Hans Buetow: A woman twirling in a satin ish Yes. Skirt and top
30:27
combo on the sand in front of an Ibiza sunset.
30:32
Jason Oberholtzer: Still hate that.
30:33
Mike Rugnetta: Do you do you have to say it like you're on
30:34
Love Island?
30:35
Georgia Hampton: I was gonna say On
30:36
Hans Buetow: paper, this is my ideal. You mugging me off?
30:40
Georgia Hampton: Okay, Hans. Go to post number two, please.
30:42
Hans Buetow: Post number two is opening. Post number two. It
30:45
might be the same woman. It's hard to tell because now she's
30:47
facing the camera. It is.
30:49
Posing video. White this time instead of gold. She's wearing
30:53
shorts and what looks like an a very woolly angora sweater, that
30:58
is collared. Sunglasses, doing a selfie of herself in an elevator
31:04
holding a coach bag.
31:06
Georgia Hampton: Okay. And now post number three, please, and I
31:09
want you to read the caption.
31:11
Hans Buetow: Post number three, the caption says, we're thrilled
31:15
to announce our new AI enhanced team member, Reem. Oh, no. Yes.
31:19
I was getting the vibes.
31:21
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Yeah. The vibes were strong.
31:23
Hans Buetow: Who has joined the team as a fashion who has joined
31:26
the team joined the team as a fashion and lifestyle editor.
31:31
Swipe right for her dump of For her dump
31:34
Georgia Hampton: of the Guys.
31:38
Mike Rugnetta: Oh, you nailed it, Lord.
31:40
Georgia Hampton: Who copy edited this? You're probably the AI
31:44
editor. Oh,
31:46
Jason Oberholtzer: dump of the day. Good god.
31:50
Hans Buetow: Swipe right for her dump of day one in SL office. I
31:54
don't so this is from Sheerluxe?
31:55
Georgia Hampton: Yes. Sheerluxe is a UK fashion publication, a
32:00
la, you know, Vogue, Cosmo, stuff like that.
32:03
Mike Rugnetta: Okay. So you were right to say Ibiza.
32:05
Georgia Hampton: Yes. Actually, I really were.
32:07
Hans Buetow: I could sense it.
32:08
Georgia Hampton: So yeah. Reem, all the posts that I had you
32:11
look at are, like, her doing influencer things, like telling
32:17
you what outfit she was wearing, being in Ibiza, but she's not
32:22
real.
32:23
Hans Buetow: And also that which means the clothes that she's
32:25
wearing are not real.
32:26
Georgia Hampton: I don't know who likes this. Yeah. Like, who
32:29
is this for?
32:30
Jason Oberholtzer: Who is this for? This is for an executive
32:33
who feels like they will be accused of falling behind if
32:36
they don't integrate AI into what they're doing.
32:38
Mike Rugnetta: I think that's exactly right. That's a great
32:41
answer. God. That's I think I think, Georgia, your response is
32:45
exactly right. Yeah.
32:49
So like, I'm looking at I'm looking at one of the images on
32:52
ReemBot's grid, and it's her on a street holding a matcha latte
32:59
and a bag that is roughly the same color as the matcha latte
33:01
and wearing sunglasses and big gold earrings and a gold
33:05
bracelet. And then you go to the next image in the carousel and
33:08
she's gone. It's a bench somewhere else with a then a
33:11
picture of the purse and the matcha latte with like a more of
33:15
a gradient look to it. And then the third is the shoes, the
33:19
bracelet, and the earrings, all of which also look AI generated.
33:24
Hans Buetow: Interesting.
33:25
Mike Rugnetta: So that I mean, like, yeah. I guess my question
33:26
is like, what okay. What are we advertising here?
33:30
Georgia Hampton: Well, this is exactly it.
33:31
Georgia Hampton: Right? I'm like, I think Jason, you're
33:34
completely right that this is basically like for shareholders,
33:37
for for people in the c suite who feel like they have to adopt
33:40
AI, but it is still kind of doing nothing.
33:45
Jason Oberholtzer: Don't know. Which I think is is exposed more
33:48
because the objects that don't need to be generated are. Like
33:53
you could pitch the idea for having an AI spokesperson as
33:56
like novel and fun and potentially engaging in a way
33:59
that would get attention from niche independent podcasters.
34:04
And like have that character talk about items or pop into the
34:08
universe and exist with items and then show a real item that a
34:12
human could buy, rather than in frames absent this character
34:15
have AI generated objects.
34:18
Mike Rugnetta: And then, like, further down the grid, there are
34:21
image carousels where it's like, almost like a a a photo collage
34:26
of images from fashion catalogs of like I'm looking at one of
34:30
purses. Yeah. And it is a it is literally a photo collage of
34:34
purses from catalogs, enumerated like one by one with who made
34:39
them and what the product is called. But then there's just an
34:43
inset oval photo of the AI generated model.
34:47
Georgia Hampton: Yep. Yeah.
34:48
Mike Rugnetta: And she's like, I collected these so that you
34:50
could see them all in one place. You're like, okay.
34:53
Georgia Hampton: Guess like, but we know you didn't do that. It's
34:58
part of her dump of the day, Mike. Yeah.
35:04
Mike Rugnetta: And that is what's going on here. Yep.
35:11
Jason Oberholtzer: I have discovered a subreddit. And I
35:14
would like to know what is going on here. Mike, would you be so
35:19
kind as to describe what what happens to you as you join this
35:24
subreddit?
35:25
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. What? Okay.
35:27
Jason Oberholtzer: It's hard to figure out where to put the eyes
35:29
first.
35:29
Georgia Hampton: That's true. Yeah. Hold on. I gotta lie down.
35:35
Okay.
35:35
So we're
35:35
Mike Rugnetta: at we're at our fifth world picks. This was
35:39
created 10/07/2011. It's got 91,000 members, and it is in the
35:45
top 2% of subs by size. The rules of the sub are submissions
35:52
must be fifth worldly. Submissions must have clear and
35:55
concise imagery.
35:56
Post quality content be nice. We can see what I can only kind of
36:02
maybe describe as like, if you did a blender adaptation of an
36:11
MC Escher painting Yes.
36:14
Georgia Hampton: Mhmm.
36:14
Mike Rugnetta: But like elaborated on it 10 times and
36:18
then used the color scheme of the old school Windows
36:23
screensaver that was the pipes. Yes.
36:26
Jason Oberholtzer: My lord. Wow.
36:27
Mike Rugnetta: That's such
36:27
Hans Buetow: a good description.
36:28
Georgia Hampton: Nailed it exactly. Holy moly.
36:30
Hans Buetow: What you're picturing to your audience? Yep.
36:33
It's exactly that.
36:34
Jason Oberholtzer: It's that.
36:35
Mike Rugnetta: And then the one below it is like, it's sort of
36:39
like you're looking down into a square well that has a similar
36:46
color scheme to it, maybe a little bit more orange. But the
36:49
vibe is no longer M. C. Escher. It's more like traditional South
36:53
American art.
36:54
Georgia Hampton: Yes.
36:55
Mike Rugnetta: The one after that is like a strange Janice
36:59
faced sculpture of some kind.
37:01
Jason Oberholtzer: This is when the genre sort
37:02
Hans Buetow: of Right?
37:03
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Yeah. The genre really takes a turn here.
37:05
Floating mug in the sky.
37:07
Georgia Hampton: I was gonna point that one out because the
37:10
caption is just addiction.
37:12
Jason Oberholtzer: Addiction. Right? Mike, I'd like you to do
37:15
me a favor. Yeah. I'd like you go to top.
37:18
Yeah. And then I'd like you to go all time. And then I'd like
37:21
you to talk.
37:24
Georgia Hampton: My god.
37:25
Mike Rugnetta: Babe, you better
37:26
Jason Oberholtzer: talk fast
37:26
Mike Rugnetta: because it is challenging.
37:28
Georgia Hampton: What is happening?
37:29
Mike Rugnetta: It's much longer than I thought it was gonna be.
37:32
Okay. So nine nine years ago, someone posted what is obviously
37:36
the best post on this.
37:39
Georgia Hampton: We should have just ended here like as a as a
37:42
society. Yeah.
37:45
Mike Rugnetta: This is a video. It's a GIF actually. So there's
37:49
no sound. There's what looks like a Rottweiler maybe riding a
37:55
three d man shape in like nineteen nineties, early two
37:59
thousand style three d rendering.
38:00
Georgia Hampton: Sure.
38:01
Mike Rugnetta: So a Rottweiler riding a man shape down what
38:04
looks at first like a mountain, but turns out to be the chest of
38:08
a statue bent over backwards.
38:13
Georgia Hampton: Yes.
38:13
Mike Rugnetta: So the they ride the chest down to the throat off
38:18
the chin and as they ride off the chin, the eyes open and the
38:21
tongue extends and then they get swallowed? No. They sort of No.
38:25
Jump off like a sick skateboard jump.
38:28
Georgia Hampton: There's sort of a metal creature man.
38:31
Hans Buetow: It's like a huge I'm gonna
38:32
Mike Rugnetta: go ahead and I'm just gonna stop there and I'm
38:34
not gonna describe the rest of it. There's a snowy owl, there's
38:36
a I was gonna say gotta mention the snowy owl. This defeats
38:40
language. I also I mean, maybe it's because this attitude has
38:46
been cemented more since then. This feels less fifth world y to
38:51
me than Mhmm.
38:52
The group of images that we saw sorted by most recent.
38:57
Hans Buetow: Is fifth world y something that you understand,
39:00
Mike? No. Know what that is.
39:01
Father Garrett: And not
39:01
Mike Rugnetta: outside of this. I would say that this is like,
39:03
this is one of those places on the internet where like the
39:05
whole purpose is to just sort of like divine and solidify this
39:11
vibe. Yeah. And there's sort of no other purpose than to be
39:15
like, to vibe navigate, you know, like Mhmm. To just try to
39:18
find or make things that seem to cohere in a way that is really
39:23
hard to describe.
39:25
But when you see it, you're like, oh, yeah, that is fifth
39:28
worldly.
39:28
Hans Buetow: In the rules, it defines submissions must be
39:30
fifth worldly if you expand it out. Oh. It has a definition.
39:33
Oh.
39:35
Mike Rugnetta: Must depict or seem to originate from another
39:38
dimension, must either be surreal or bizarre, or attempt
39:43
to convey a novel emotion or experience. Which I think that
39:47
that aligns with everything that we've said so Yeah.
39:50
Georgia Hampton: Asked and answered.
39:51
Jason Oberholtzer: Who hasn't had that novel experience?
39:57
Hans Buetow: Alright. I wanna ask the room real quick before
39:59
you if I say wacky Tic Tac, do you know what that means? Wacky
40:04
Tic Tac?
40:05
Jason Oberholtzer: Wacky Tic Tac? No. I don't want to.
40:07
Georgia Hampton: No. She said nervously.
40:09
Hans Buetow: Okay. Well, we're going back to Reddit. Uh-huh.
40:13
Georgia, can you please read the description of it before you
40:17
open it?
40:17
Mike Rugnetta: Oh my god. Okay. Okay.
40:20
Georgia Hampton: We're off to such a good start.
40:22
Mike Rugnetta: We really are.
40:23
Georgia Hampton: I have seen the face of god and it was weeping.
40:27
Banana.
40:28
Hans Buetow: Okay. Now you know where we are? Yeah.
40:30
Georgia Hampton: Let's open that up. Oh.
40:32
Jason Oberholtzer: Say it the way the wacky Tic Tacs would
40:34
have you say it.
40:35
Georgia Hampton: Banana. Yes.
40:39
Hans Buetow: Yeah. We're in minion land.
40:40
Georgia Hampton: Yeah. We're I'm I'm in the minion system. I'm in
40:43
the walls.
40:45
Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah.
40:46
Georgia Hampton: Okay. So just going through here, it's it's
40:52
all sorts of content involving minions. The kind that as you
40:55
may imagine, oh, wait. Never mind.
40:59
Jason Oberholtzer: Right? Your expectation got subverted.
41:02
Georgia Hampton: It's So
41:03
Hans Buetow: you start and you're like, this is this is a
41:05
grandma on Facebook.
41:06
Georgia Hampton: Okay. It's just literally about to say, your
41:09
aunt on Facebook was like, happy Tuesday everyone. God bless
41:13
America.
41:14
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. These are no But like if minions were the
41:18
thing that lives behind the diner in Mulholland Drive.
41:22
Georgia Hampton: Oh my god. And what's funny is that not all of
41:26
them have been so we should say what is what's going on here is
41:29
that they're yes. It's this format of, you know, minion
41:33
photos photos.
41:37
Mike Rugnetta: Like in TikTok. It's documentary.
41:39
Georgia Hampton: Documentary of the real creature minions that
41:42
live among us. Images of minions, you know, with wigs or
41:46
making a funny face or pointing at themselves and has the sort
41:51
of structure of of what we were just describing of, like, you
41:54
Georgia Hampton: know, sometimes a girl just needs
41:56
Georgia Hampton: to let loose or whatever. But but every, one
41:59
that I'm seeing now, actually, I was wrong. They're all like
42:02
this.
42:02
Hans Buetow: They're all like
42:03
Georgia Hampton: this. So, like, you know, a couple down, is two
42:06
minions smiling at at you and sort of pointing at themselves
42:09
and it says, exercise? I thought you said, and then someone
42:13
clearly superimposed over whatever it originally said,
42:17
Bush did nine eleven.
42:19
Mike Rugnetta: The, the title of the post would seem to suggest
42:23
that what is, covered over is extra fries.
42:27
Georgia Hampton: Yes. Because the the caption is no extra
42:30
fries today.
42:31
Jason Oberholtzer: Now, that's funny. I like that. This George
42:33
Bush two nine eleven thing, I'm not sure about that quite as
42:35
much.
42:36
Hans Buetow: You have like under the title God has abandoned us,
42:39
you have a very grainy hungover minion that says exercise? I
42:43
sell a 130 grams of crack cocaine behind my local middle
42:46
school, run over 21 innocent children with a hijacked bus,
42:49
evade $82,000 in taxes, and commit severe war crimes in Iraq
42:52
every day. That counts. Right?
42:55
Georgia Hampton: Yeah. There's a lot of, like, a newly restored
42:59
World War one photo that is what looks like an already AI
43:03
generated black and white image of soldiers on the battlefield,
43:07
and then a minion storming alongside them. My god.
43:16
Hans Buetow: And so it keeps going, and there's a it's a wide
43:19
variety. It's not all political. There's like a cuck life one.
43:22
Mhmm. There's all of these.
43:24
It's but it's like it's like your auntie is the filthiest
43:27
person who like the filthiest tin hattiness wearing person and
43:32
is still into the same aesthetic. And the whole thing
43:37
is wacky Tic Tacs, which I looked up, there is such a thing
43:40
as a Minion Tic Tac. They're banana flavored, which
43:43
Georgia Hampton: Of course.
43:43
Hans Buetow: There are 97,000 people in this, and the title is
43:47
God is Dead.
43:48
Georgia Hampton: This does have a sort of sheen of a a 4chan or
43:54
4chan adjacent.
43:56
Mike Rugnetta: It's just it just is just leaning so hard into the
43:59
irony of,
44:01
Georgia Hampton: you know,
44:01
Mike Rugnetta: the minions are from Despicable Me, they're
44:04
funny little guys, they're, you know, innocent, strange little
44:09
characters. And now, you know, here's a book they're next to
44:13
Bush did nine eleven and on a image that says, have one finger
44:17
for a reason, woodworking accident. Like, it's just That's
44:21
one of
44:21
Georgia Hampton: the more like, you know, palatable ones.
44:24
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. One of the most palatable. Yeah. Yeah. And
44:26
I agree.
44:27
Like, it it's it's very much that kind of like that 4chan
44:30
style of ironic distance or ironic detachment.
44:33
Hans Buetow: So this is really just an a repeated joke over and
44:37
over, if I'm understanding correctly, of isn't it funny to
44:40
put these cute little memed up things in actually despicable
44:47
situations?
44:49
Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. It's people making fun of Facebook
44:51
aunties by, you know, imagining what if they were edge lords.
44:57
Georgia Hampton: Edge lord is exactly the word. Because this
44:59
is sort of a classic, like, internet Right.
45:02
Mike Rugnetta: Vibe. This is like terminal posting, you know?
45:05
Like, this is
45:06
Georgia Hampton: Yeah. Yes.
45:07
Mike Rugnetta: This is endgame posting.
45:08
Georgia Hampton: Yeah. Yeah.
45:10
Hans Buetow: Okay. Well, thanks. That's that's helpful. It's sort
45:12
of what I thought, but it's a lot more.
45:14
Georgia Hampton: And it's really validating to know that a wacky
45:16
TikTok is not commonly known.
45:18
Mike Rugnetta: That's what's going on here?
45:21
Georgia Hampton: We've learned what's going on here, but at
45:24
what cost?
45:28
Mike Rugnetta: We've got one more what's going on here, but
45:31
we are going to lose one Georgia Hampton because she's got
45:35
somewhere more important to be right now.
45:37
Georgia Hampton: I gotta go kill all the minions. Oh, no. I'm
45:41
stopping this once and for all.
45:43
Mike Rugnetta: Georgia, thank you for joining us. Bye.
45:46
Jason Oberholtzer: Godspeed.
45:47
Mike Rugnetta: Okay. I have something that I first
45:51
encountered about a month ago. And I have been going out of my
45:56
way. I wanna know what it is so bad. And I have not gone and
46:02
searched to learn because I wanted to bring it to what's
46:06
going on here.
46:08
From what I can figure out, this is not new.
46:12
Georgia Hampton: Okay.
46:12
Mike Rugnetta: By this, I mean, a a person. This person. I get
46:17
served their videos all the time and like everywhere. And I think
46:22
it's probably because I watch them because I'm like, what? I
46:25
mean, it's the name of the segment for a reason.
46:27
What is going on here?
46:29
Hans Buetow: And the algorithm is like, this guy loves
46:31
Georgia Hampton: this. This guy
46:31
Mike Rugnetta: loves this. So, Jason. Yeah. I have four videos.
46:37
Okay.
46:38
And this is the first one.
46:40
Jason Oberholtzer: Okay. The name, Sufi Blower. What we have
46:45
here is a man with a microphone. When I press play, we'll figure
46:50
out what he does with that power. It's in a public space, a
46:55
crowded public space.
46:58
A lot of folks have their hands on their foreheads. Is that him
47:05
making this noise? Okay. He's like sort of beatboxing a little
47:10
bit.
47:11
Hans Buetow: It feels like he's like slamming his diaphragm,
47:14
like his abdomen to make his diaphragm work.
47:16
Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. He's engaging his diaphragm with his
47:18
hands. He's sort of like I need a pan down here, but looks like
47:21
he's kind of chilling his belly and
47:23
Father Garrett: Yeah.
47:26
Mike Rugnetta: Okay. I'm gonna send you a second video.
47:28
Jason Oberholtzer: I just watched this man on Facebook,
47:30
now to TikTok. Okay. Because he was doing his hands. Okay. He's
47:38
sort of pulling at a necklace, a rope, round beaded.
47:42
Perhaps beaded is hard to see, I need better fidelity on these
47:45
buddy. And he's doing that same deep breath thing into a
47:48
microphone in a public setting and this one has like a delay
47:52
slapped to it and a big reverb. There
47:56
Hans Buetow: are people screaming in the background,
47:58
like scream, like someone's being attacked.
48:00
Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. Okay. And the same we pan to the
48:02
crowd, they have their hands on their heads again, they're
48:04
screaming.
48:05
Mike Rugnetta: And the crowd is huge. Huge. How is this how
48:10
would you describe this man's manner of dress?
48:13
Jason Oberholtzer: He's got he's got a black head wrap, but like
48:16
a multi colored sort of set of robes.
48:18
Mike Rugnetta: And someone else is holding the microphone in
48:21
front of him. Right.
48:22
Jason Oberholtzer: I mean, I would call it like a ceremonial
48:24
robe even, like there are religious overtones to this
48:26
certainly, but I don't have the cultural conversants to know.
48:32
Mike Rugnetta: To say exactly Yeah. The article of clothing.
48:34
Jason Oberholtzer: Exactly.
48:35
Father Garrett: Mhmm.
48:36
Mike Rugnetta: So here are two of his own videos. Okay.
48:44
Hans Buetow: Oh, he's not hitting his diaphragm.
48:47
Jason Oberholtzer: No. He's not at all. He's just like fiddling
48:49
with yanking this necklace, this beaded white beaded necklace.
48:54
He's What about
48:54
Hans Buetow: a rosary?
48:55
Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. Yeah. It's a good That's a good way to
48:57
describe it. It is basically essentially a rosary. I don't
49:00
see a cross.
49:02
And the comments on this one comments on this one include,
49:05
I'm Christian but even I can tell this is not Islam and
49:07
someone else saying this is not Islam. Someone else saying, I've
49:11
been seeing this dude a lot in my feed lately, but why are
49:14
women screaming while he spits into the mic? Really trying to
49:17
underline that this is not Islam, which makes me think
49:19
there are comments that have maybe been buried here where
49:21
people are being unkind about Islam or making assumptions
49:25
there. And those more than no are making sure that we know
49:29
that no, that is not what is going on here.
49:31
Mike Rugnetta: So based on just what I've seen from the comments
49:36
of getting served these videos, is that this guy is a
49:41
controversial spiritual leader of some kind.
49:44
Jason Oberholtzer: That's what I'm picking up.
49:45
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Right? Related to Islam somehow.
49:49
Perhaps tenuously in the eyes of a big group of people. I guess
49:53
my question is like, why and what's the deal with the breath?
49:57
Mhmm. But like, you know, going into a delay line while pulling
50:04
on this necklace with people losing their minds.
50:08
Jason Oberholtzer: I mean, it certainly has, you know,
50:09
overtones of some of our more ecstatic American traditions.
50:14
Mike Rugnetta: Like speaking in tongues and
50:16
Jason Oberholtzer: tongues, or yelling, or the fun little slap
50:19
the forehead and watch them crumble move.
50:21
Mike Rugnetta: You know, his name is, I'm gonna say it
50:24
probably very wrong, Haqqa'teb Hussein.
50:28
Hans Buetow: Okay. So he's got a he's got a website.
50:30
Mike Rugnetta: Serving humanity in the name of Allah SWT. Right?
50:35
Every week, thousands of people make their way to Dab'ar e
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Aliyah Balawara Sharif and Astana Aliyahkar, Saddan.
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Jason Oberholtzer: It seems to be Northeastern Pakistan.
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Mike Rugnetta: To receive Allah SWT's blessing through the doom
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and dua insufflation and supplication of Kaladar I Duran
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Haqqateb Hussein Ali Badshah Sakhar m e. So this is my sense
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and this was what I was hoping we could maybe figure out is
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like, is this guy like a Joel Osteen who is, you know,
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nominally associated with some religion, but really is just
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enriching himself. Yeah. But that still doesn't answer the
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question of like, why these elements? Like, I I wanna
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understand the beads and the breathing and the hands on the
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forehead Yeah.
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And the like kneeling with the hands behind the head. I'm sure
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all of this is, like, deeply rooted in, like, religious
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symbolism that we just are not familiar with.
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Hans Buetow: Yeah. Mhmm. I'm just I'm poking around more at
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the website, at this man's website, and there's a thing
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called Wazifa Taspeh, which is curative. And it says, to cure
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ill cure from illnesses, solution to problems or worries,
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righteous offspring income slash job, peace and blessings in the
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home, righteous marriages of children, etcetera, in the
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essence for all good, righteous purposes. When?
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To be recited after Namaz ESR. How? After Namaz ESR, recite
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Durud e 11 times, Surah Kothar 100 times, followed by 11 times.
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So you have this pattern of recitation that you need to do.
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And then following the completion of Wazifa, you can
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make dua for yourself or anyone else for any good purpose.
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It is it is also allowed to blow upon to insufflate water after
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completing this wazifah and to drink it or to give the
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insufflated water to some patient to drink, any illness
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will subside. Mhmm. So you're making an elixir with your
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breath, and I wonder if that's the idea is he's breathing he's
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making his breath after he's done this cleansing ritual is
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being breathed upon all of the crowds. Right.
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Jason Oberholtzer: Naturally, in the way that air does get
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amplified and moved Yeah. Through the microphone. Yeah.
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There's a healing tab on his page where some of these
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miracles are listed that I have found now. Things that he claims
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to have done, or this website claims that he has done include,
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a little boy had hole in his heart cured.
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Hans Buetow: After four and the dom the dom is the is the breath
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water.
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Jason Oberholtzer: Okay. Cured after four dom. Man suffering
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from incurable jaundice of the liver is cured. Girl who lost
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her sight for seven months recovers her eyesight. Epilepsy,
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liver cancer, village had wells of hard water.
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Someone couldn't speak for fifteen years. These are among
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the victories that he is tallying up.
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Hans Buetow: So you can participate live and have these
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healing properties expelled at you.
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Mike Rugnetta: Little girl got dumb from Facebook live.
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Hans Buetow: Yeah.
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Mike Rugnetta: She had been unable to walk and doctors
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declare she would never be able to walk again. She was able to
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walk from second to woah.
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Jason Oberholtzer: I don't know, man. Yeah. May yeah. Maybe I am
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cynical. Like, maybe they are purporting that this happens
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over the Internet as well.
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And Yeah. This is an earnest effort to provide healing and
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that they believe they are providing through all of man's
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available resources including the social web.
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Hans Buetow: There's a long tradition of this in both
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religious and secular spaces. I mean, placebos are a thing Yeah.
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And not just, you know, I don't know, maybe this is working for
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people, but people have been doing this, laying hands on
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people, doing all I mean, that's the big tent thing, you know.
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Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. I mean, ultimately, think, you know, we
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are probably waiting into a contended area for which we have
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none of the signifiers lined up to figure out any sort of Yeah.
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Way finding. I think that's probably very right.
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Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Audience, if you have things to tell us
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about this, I wanna know all about them.
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Jason Oberholtzer: Wanna know more.
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Mike Rugnetta: Okay. I think we did it Hans, Jason. Thank you
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for puzzling through what goes on on the Internet. Thank you to
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Georgia in absentia. Audience, are there things that you see on
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the Internet about which you think what is going on here?
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Or if you your self know what is going on here and you have been
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shouting at your phone, at your car stereo, at your speaker in
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your kitchen At your loved ones. Turn those shouts into words in
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an email and send them to us and tell us. Tell us, please. What
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is going on here?
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Jason Oberholtzer: Thank you, everybody.
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Georgia Hampton: Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Good night, everyone.
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for our self, and for our supreme being. So you can't lose
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long as you are doing what you know is right, what else cares?
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What else matters? You're going to get rewarded, and I wish the
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I'm going to do something about it so that tomorrow, the whole
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