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Normally Podcast: Biden, Censorship, and Democratic Party Turmoil · Normally

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Speaker 1: I think normal, like the show with normalis takes to win,
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Speaker 1: the news gets weird. I have many Catherine, and.
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Speaker 2: I'm Carol Mark Wins. Is this the weekend? Yet it
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Speaker 2: feels like should we be again?
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's even and.
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Speaker 2: This is like a really long week, and I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I just maybe the news is
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Speaker 2: again NonStop and so much going on. You know, I
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Speaker 2: was thinking about this as we were discussing our topics today.
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Speaker 2: We're not even going to talk about that. Trump said
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Speaker 2: that Ukraine could win the war against Russia as a
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Speaker 2: side yesterday. I liked the entire maybe I'll get it
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Speaker 2: like next week, but not today, in.
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Speaker 1: The entire speech at the you in General Assembly, which
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Speaker 1: would have been a two week story like ten years ago.
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Speaker 1: But we'll get right at some point.
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Speaker 2: Right, we're not even We're not even getting into it
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Speaker 2: because there's so much.
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Speaker 1: Other news goodness.
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Speaker 2: I think that one of the biggest stories that doesn't
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Speaker 2: feel like a big story is that Google has admitted
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Speaker 2: that the Biden administration and pressured them to shut down
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Speaker 2: various YouTube accounts, including that of FBI Deputy Director Dan Bengino,
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Speaker 2: White House counter Terrorism chief Sebastian Gorka, it's really kind
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Speaker 2: of crazy, So Google, This is from Fox. Google detailed
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Speaker 2: it's remarkable shift in a document first obtained by Fox
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Speaker 2: News Digital that a lawyer for the company provided to
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Speaker 2: the House to just share a committee the new policy
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Speaker 2: from Google could affect both average users and well known figures.
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Speaker 2: The document included a section about the Biden administration and
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Speaker 2: said the White House officials at the time pushed Google
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Speaker 2: behind the scenes to remove perceived information related to COVID nineteen. Now,
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Speaker 2: why this is not a huge story is because we
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Speaker 2: all knew this. We knew it, We knew that this
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Speaker 2: was happening. This confirmation is very good because we could
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Speaker 2: point to it and be like, look, we were right
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Speaker 2: once again. But it doesn't feel new. We all knew it,
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Speaker 2: we were right.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 1: The other reason it's not a big story is because
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Speaker 1: much of the media thinks that this was the right decision,
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Speaker 1: This was right good, this.
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Speaker 2: Was a good censorship.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jim Jim Clyburne, a representative a Democrat representative,
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Speaker 1: said as much on Abby Phillips's show on CNN. She
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Speaker 1: strangely did not interrupt him while he was skewing his
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Speaker 1: own misinformation about how it's good to shut people down
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Speaker 1: for misinformation, which, by the way, we now know was
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Speaker 1: not in misinformation much. Right, Right, we were right, We
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Speaker 1: were all right about so many things. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: this should be a giant deal. I have been consistent
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Speaker 1: in saying that the head of the SEC should not
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Speaker 1: be job owning. Is the term which is I was.
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Speaker 2: Gonna say, is this job owning? Because I only learned
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Speaker 2: the word job owning that everybody's using like in every
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Speaker 2: other sentence, like two days ago, is this job owning?
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Speaker 3: Term?
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Speaker 1: Job owning is for when the government publicly threatens or
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Speaker 1: pressures a private entity to make decisions that would limit
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Speaker 1: people's speech.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: We know that the Biden administration was engaged in this
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Speaker 1: four years. And not only were they engaged in it
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Speaker 1: against both misinformation, which is obviously allowed and true information
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Speaker 1: which was you know, detrimental to people's knowledge base on COVID,
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Speaker 1: but they did it on the Internet and social media,
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Speaker 1: where they have absolutely no plausible place or power for regulation. Now,
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Speaker 1: the SEC does have regulation powers over broadcast networks, right,
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Speaker 1: so that's.
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Speaker 2: Don't understand that distinction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a slight difference here. I still don't think
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Speaker 1: Brendan Carr should be doing that. But there is a
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Speaker 1: slight difference in that there's no plausible place where they
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Speaker 1: have power to do this. But of course this is
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Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like the medium mostly
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Speaker 1: agrees with the Biden administration. They think it was wise
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Speaker 1: or that it just had you know, at least they
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Speaker 1: were doing it for the right reasons. I mean sometimes
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Speaker 1: people explicitly say that. Derek, I believe it was. Derek
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Speaker 1: Thompson wrote that just the other day. It was like,
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Speaker 1: you know, at least they had good reasons for doing
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Speaker 1: It'm like, no, no, no.
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Speaker 2: No, no, lot the reasons for doing it.
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Speaker 1: Hello, not how we evaluate these things. But yeah, it
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Speaker 1: had really deleterious effects on people. People lost money from this,
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Speaker 1: By the way, Where can they go sue them and
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Speaker 1: get the money back that they would have made from
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Speaker 1: these channels, because they should because they're like, we're reinstating
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Speaker 1: your channels, Great, where's my money?
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. The years have lost money and look, not
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Speaker 2: everybody got to have a career after that. A lot
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Speaker 2: of people that you've never heard of lost their channels
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Speaker 2: and that's it for them. They didn't go on to
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Speaker 2: administration jobs. They didn't go on to fame and fortune elsewhere.
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Speaker 2: Some of them just quietly disappeared and lost the money
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Speaker 2: that they were making from their channel. It's look, are
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Speaker 2: we still mad bro about the COVID years? Yes, But
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Speaker 2: what's particularly galling here is that, you know, there's so
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Speaker 2: little conversation about this on the left. They're not doing
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Speaker 2: any soul searching. And this always makes me crazy because
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Speaker 2: there's so many people on the right who are like,
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Speaker 2: I don't like what happened to Jimmy Kimmel. I'm not
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Speaker 2: one of them. By the way we talked about this,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't see a problem here. But a
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Speaker 2: lot of people on the right did see a problem
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Speaker 2: and spoke out about it. You just don't see that
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Speaker 2: kind of thing on the left at all. And that's
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Speaker 2: why the COVID years do still matter to us so much,
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Speaker 2: because they won't admit what happened. They won't talk about
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Speaker 2: the shutdowns of speech, they won't talk about the misinformation
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Speaker 2: that was actually correct. All of that leaves me with
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Speaker 2: bitterness forever.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and if you play this unequal game for
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Speaker 1: too long and the other side never admits error or
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Speaker 1: backs down, and you're consistent the whole time. This is
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Speaker 1: the part of the argument from folks like you that
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Speaker 1: I'm very friendly to. It's like, how does that work out?
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Speaker 1: Exactly right?
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Speaker 4: Right now?
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Speaker 2: The one side gets this, Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Greg Lukianov, who runs fire which I like, occasionally slightly
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Speaker 1: disagree with on some things, but largely think they're they're
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Speaker 1: good and consistent, he writes, The maddening thing is that
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Speaker 1: if Google had chosen to stand up to the Biden
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Speaker 1: administration's job owning, they definitely would have gotten standing, and
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Speaker 1: I believe they would have won. Instead, we got the
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Speaker 1: terrible Mrthy v. Missouri decision, in which I do think
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Speaker 1: there was more than enough evidence to get standing, but
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Speaker 1: I digress. That was the important case on this kind
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Speaker 1: of thing, that the court decided that the folks who
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Speaker 1: were censored did not have standing. Again, I disagree with
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Speaker 1: him as well. Right, instead of a resounding rebuke to
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Speaker 1: the idea that the government can make private companies censor
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Speaker 1: speech that it is forbidden from censoring under the First Amendment,
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Speaker 1: we still need that decision, O, Titans of Silicon Valley.
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Speaker 1: So the next time your job owned, consider suing with
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Speaker 1: us with us. Okay, agree with Greg on this, And also,
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Speaker 1: isn't the problem for conservatives over and over again that
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Speaker 1: the government and the corporations are happy to work together
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Speaker 1: when it's for the right reason.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: The only reason they're coming out now is because they
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Speaker 1: were invested by investigating by Republicans in Oversight Committee. And
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Speaker 1: now they're like, ooh, we're on the wrong side of
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Speaker 1: things now, right, They just they just basically agreed the
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Speaker 1: censorship was okay. Yeah, So how do we get rid
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Speaker 1: of that part? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, all of that is really tough to swallow.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know how we move forward from this,
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Speaker 2: because yes, they're all falling into line now now that
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Speaker 2: there's a Trump administration, now that there's investigations. It shouldn't
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Speaker 2: have to be that way, And I just I don't
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Speaker 2: know where we go from here.
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Speaker 1: I really don't. And when it's after the fact, the
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Speaker 1: entire media can go snooze, y'all. Yeah, it's an old story,
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Speaker 1: old news story.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. Brian Stelter is not working about this for
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Speaker 2: some reason.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that's not in his not in his
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Speaker 1: newsletter this week.
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Speaker 2: No, probably not want to. I want to give a
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Speaker 2: shout out speaking of COVID to a new documentary that's
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Speaker 2: out called Fifteen Days The Real Story of America's Pandemic
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Speaker 2: School Closures if you want to get all riled up.
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Speaker 2: But also I think it's important to have that kind
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Speaker 2: of stuff, go into the history of what happened. And
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Speaker 2: I just think that they lied to us, they kept
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Speaker 2: things from us, they shut down speech they didn't agree with,
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Speaker 2: and we have to move forward, but we have to
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Speaker 2: remember what happened.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course while this is all happening, everybody's
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Speaker 1: very angry about the current free speech story, which isn't
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Speaker 1: that a person was killed in the act of debating
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Speaker 1: on a college campus, but is that Jimmy Kimmel was
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Speaker 1: off of work for several days.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, for Jimmy.
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Speaker 1: As I have said, I think the government did the
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Speaker 1: wrong thing here by open and it's big old trap. However,
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Speaker 1: I want to go through Kimmel's monologue, but before we
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Speaker 1: get to that, I want to play a little clip
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Speaker 1: first from Ryan Long, who's a comedian who's very clever
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Speaker 1: and based is probably the word for him, and good
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Speaker 1: at sort of making front of woke things and conventional
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Speaker 1: lefty wisdom. And I just want to play this real
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Speaker 1: quick clip because it embodies how I feel, as a
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Speaker 1: consistent free speech person about these moments.
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Speaker 5: I had a friend she came up to me and
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Speaker 5: she was like, isn't it crazy? The free speech is gone.
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Speaker 5: I'm like, you supported every guy get kicked off of
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Speaker 5: everything for ten years. It feels like a friend that
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Speaker 5: was like an alcoholic for eight years and just a menace,
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Speaker 5: then coming back to the party after one day sober
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Speaker 5: and being like, you guys need to get your life together,
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Speaker 5: and you're like what.
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Speaker 1: You're like, I'm like, you came.
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Speaker 5: To my wedding and shit on the game, and the
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Speaker 5: only reason you're not an alcoholic anymore is because.
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Speaker 1: Of the ankle bracelet.
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Speaker 5: What are we talking about right now?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good.
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Speaker 1: No, that's That's how I feel about many of these folks,
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Speaker 1: including Kimmel, who, by the way, was happy to join
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Speaker 1: in with cancelations of others with advocacy for censorship of
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Speaker 1: others as long as they were for the right reasons,
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Speaker 1: which are the less reasons obviously. Okay, So I listened
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Speaker 1: to his entire monologue You're welcome everyone seventeen minutes. It
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Speaker 1: opens with the same line that Trump opened with when
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Speaker 1: he returned triumphantly after almost being assassinated in Butler, He says,
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Speaker 1: as I was with his like as I was saying
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Speaker 1: before I was.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: First of all, that was a great line from Trump
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Speaker 1: into Cribbit is yeah, lady. Also, it makes light of
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Speaker 1: an assassination attempt by equating it with returning to give
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Speaker 1: a comedy monologue. Okay, So there's that. That's how he opens.
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Speaker 1: Four minutes in he thanks some people who are consistent
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Speaker 1: free speech folks, Clay Travis, ted Cruz among them, people
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Speaker 1: who he says, it took courage for them to say
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Speaker 1: that the administration had done the wrong thing on this
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Speaker 1: courage that, notably Kimmel does not.
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Speaker 2: Have, does not have right completely, does not possess that courage.
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Speaker 1: No, he's He's happy to jump on any bandwagon during
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Speaker 1: the Biden administration on any of these issues. By the way,
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Speaker 1: can we just reflect on the fact that Jimmy Kimmel,
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Speaker 1: of all people of man show and repeated black face
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Speaker 1: now passed was never canceled before, Like right, yeah, amazing
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Speaker 1: he made it through that, Okay, Sam Pinolegiell. So six
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Speaker 1: minutes in we get this, which is his attempt at
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Speaker 1: an apology about the whole thing. I think we have
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Speaker 1: a little clip of it.
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Speaker 6: I don't think what I have to say is going
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Speaker 6: to make much of a difference. If you like me,
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Speaker 6: you like me. If you don't, you don't. I have
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Speaker 6: no illusions about changing anyone's mind. But I do want
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Speaker 6: to make something clear because it's important to me as
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Speaker 6: a human and that is you understand that it was
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Speaker 6: never my intention to make light of the murder of
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Speaker 6: a young man.
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 6: I don't think there's anything funny about it. I posted
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Speaker 6: a message on Instagram of the daves killed, sending love
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Speaker 6: to his family and asking for compassion, and I meant it.
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Speaker 2: I still do.
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Speaker 6: Nor was it my intention to blame any specific group
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Speaker 6: for the actions of what it was obviously a deeply
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Speaker 6: disturbed individual. That was really the opposite of the point
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Speaker 6: I was trying to make. But I understand that to
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Speaker 6: some that felt either ill timed or unclear, or maybe both.
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Speaker 6: And for those who think I did point a finger,
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Speaker 6: I get why you're upset. If the situation was reversed,
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Speaker 6: there's a good chance I'd have felt the same way.
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Speaker 6: I have many friends and family members on the other side,
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Speaker 6: who I love remain close to, even though we don't agree.
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Speaker 2: On politics at all.
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Speaker 6: I don't think the murderer who shot Charlie Kirk represents anyone.
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Speaker 6: This was a sick person who believed violence was a
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Speaker 6: solution and it isn't it ever?
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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I mean his friends and family on the
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Speaker 2: right have heard him blame Republican voters for school shootings.
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Speaker 2: I just I'm sure he has people on the right
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Speaker 2: in his life, but he has said horrendous things about
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Speaker 2: our side.
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Speaker 1: Also, I don't appreciate an apology that is like, I'm
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Speaker 1: sorry you felt if.
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Speaker 2: You if you feel if you're mad, then.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry you misheard me. The sentence was very clear.
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Speaker 1: I think people are gaslighting by telling you it meant
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Speaker 1: something other than what it meant. The truth is that
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Speaker 1: he was trying to critique the right for hoping it
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Speaker 1: was anyone but them, when what he was doing in
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Speaker 1: that sentence was trying to create a fiction in which
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Speaker 1: it was but his people. He continues that fiction in
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Speaker 1: this monologue by saying he didn't represent anything. That's not true.
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Speaker 1: That's not true. What Kimmel is doing is owning for
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Speaker 1: himself and I agree with him that his benching was
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Speaker 1: a speech issue, but he will not allow that Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk's murder is a free speech issue. He will not
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Speaker 1: allow it. He says that stands for nothing. That was
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Speaker 1: just violence.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: He does not take a moment to be like, hey,
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Speaker 1: it's really important that he be able to do what
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Speaker 1: he was doing. I think it's important I do what
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Speaker 1: I'm doing, But like this man doesn't get to go
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Speaker 1: home to his family now. He later goes on to
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Speaker 1: note that satire is a very important part of an
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Speaker 1: especially important part of American speech and political speech and
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Speaker 1: protected speech right. He never mentions that debate is a
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Speaker 1: very important protected part of American free speech culture. Then
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Speaker 1: he mentions a bunch of things we can all come
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Speaker 1: together about as a country, including that he shouldn't be benched.
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Speaker 1: What those unmentioned is we could come together to agree
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Speaker 1: that Charlie Kirk should not be murdered for saying thoughts
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Speaker 1: on campus. So, in this way, he has made himself
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Speaker 1: the only free speech martyr.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the only.
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Speaker 1: Free speech martyer of the week. And I just think
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Speaker 1: it's trashy, it's vile, and this is why he will
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Speaker 1: never be a teammate on this right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, he can't be trusted to defend free speech.
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Speaker 2: He could only be trusted to defend himself.
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Speaker 1: Also, one more thing, he has cried on television many
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Speaker 1: more times than I have in my entire career, and
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Speaker 1: I have had much more, better, many more better reasons
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Speaker 1: to cry than this man has. So I would just ask,
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Speaker 1: in the age of the crying selfie, cut.
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Speaker 2: It out, get it together. I want to just add
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Speaker 2: one more thing. Dave Portnoy has been I think, very
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Speaker 2: very good on this, and he tweets here's my last
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Speaker 2: point on Kimmel. If Kimmel came on and apologize like
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Speaker 2: this the day after his remarks, he probably wouldn't have
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Speaker 2: been suspended. But by all accounts, he wanted to double
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Speaker 2: down again for the billions time. This isn't a free
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Speaker 2: speech issue. He works for Mickey Mouse on Network TV.
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Speaker 2: Nobody said he was going to jail. He was dealing
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Speaker 2: with the consequences of making off color jokes about the
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Speaker 2: murder of a guy who meant a ton to a
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Speaker 2: ton of people and blamed it on the very people
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Speaker 2: who love him the most before the body was even cold.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, there was outrage that Mickey had to deal with.
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Speaker 2: Then the pendulum swung the other way and they put
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Speaker 2: him back on the air. Either way, it was never
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Speaker 2: a free speech issue. When you work for somebody else
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Speaker 2: and you offend a ton of people, you deal with
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Speaker 2: the consequences. Him framing this as free speech as a joke.
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Speaker 1: By the way, look.
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Speaker 2: At him going Dave Portney.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, is no one concerned at all
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Speaker 1: that ABC made its decision after an ABC affiliate had
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Speaker 1: been shot at by a person who explicitly wanted Kimmel
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Speaker 1: back on the air. Because that seems like it should
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Speaker 1: be a big story, and we should.
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Speaker 2: Interrogate the job owning.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, well, we should interrogate the notion just
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Speaker 1: as cars talking might have put pressure that the shooting
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Speaker 1: might have put pressure on ABC. And then one last thing,
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Speaker 1: of course, this terrible California house member or state legislature remember,
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Speaker 1: always is like popping off about stuff. And he's like,
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Speaker 1: we got to take away Sinclair's ability to broadcast, which
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Speaker 1: is the affiliates want to not they want to opt
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Speaker 1: out of Kimmel. Elizabeth Warren the other Democratic lawmakers have
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Speaker 1: launched an investigation into next Star and Sinclair, two major
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Speaker 1: TV station owners that are refusing to air Jimmy Kimmel's
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Speaker 1: talk show because now you see, it's job owning for
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Speaker 1: the right reasons.
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Speaker 2: It's okay when they do it.
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Speaker 1: It's okay when they do it. And she wants to
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Speaker 1: shut up Sinclair and Next Star and not let them
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Speaker 1: have freedom of association or freedom show. The free speech.
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Speaker 2: Warriors and the left who woke up this last week
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Speaker 2: are going to be putting it all over their Instagram stories.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, they're very principled about that. I can see
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Speaker 1: it coming. It's gonna be the next Kimmel monologue, which
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Speaker 1: I will not be watching me neither.
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back with Moron normally, where we will
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Speaker 2: talk governments shut down, and how fun polls have gotten lately.
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Speaker 1: But first, it was nearly two years ago that terrorists
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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty hostages. Today it seems as if the
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Speaker 1: cries of the dead and dying have been drowned out
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Speaker 1: by shouts of anti Semitic hatred. The most brutal attack
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Speaker 1: on Jewish people since the Holocaust is in danger of
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Speaker 1: world looks away, a light shines in the darkness. It's
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Speaker 1: organized by the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. On
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Speaker 1: October fifth, just a few weeks away, millions of Americans
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Speaker 1: will prayerfully plant an Israeli flag in honor and solidarity
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Speaker 1: with the victims of October seventh, twenty twenty three. And
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Speaker 1: it out. We're back with normally right after this. Oh righty,
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Speaker 1: we are back on normally. Let's talk about the government
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Speaker 1: shutdown because we have to do this periodically, because the government.
19:52
Speaker 1: Can we just partting to shut down periodically?
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Speaker 2: Can't we just play what we said six months ago?
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Speaker 1: Or no? Nah, it's like a slightly friend every time.
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Speaker 2: A little bit different each time. Right, It's like, here's
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Speaker 2: the thing.
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Speaker 1: I wish they would do their jobs before the deadline.
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Speaker 1: But as a person who's never done a job before
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Speaker 1: a deadline, I must have sympathy for this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I actually I also think we said this
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Speaker 2: last time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have some sympathy. Yeah, here's what's happening,
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Speaker 1: and I just want to give you guys a little
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Speaker 1: preview of the fight that's going to go down. So
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Speaker 1: I believe September thirtieth is the date by which there
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Speaker 1: needs to be a continuing resolution to continue the funding
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Speaker 1: of the government. It would be short term. The House
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Speaker 1: has passed one. The House has passed what is called,
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Speaker 1: with Republicans in charge, a clean CR. That means there's
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Speaker 1: nothing else in it. They're just like, let's just do this.
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Speaker 1: We can all get on the same page that the
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Speaker 1: government needs to continue to be funded for this short
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Speaker 1: period of time. We will argue again later. Here's the
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Speaker 1: clean CR. Pass it in the Senate. We shall be done. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's where we are right now.
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Speaker 2: That's very diligent of them.
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Speaker 1: It actually sounds like the thing democrats and everyone in
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Speaker 1: the press asks for time what so Yeah, so houses like, okay,
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Speaker 1: we'll do that. Democrats in the Senate have decided that
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Speaker 1: they want to add to the clean CR, thereby making
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Speaker 1: it dirty, dirty, dirty CR, a dirty CR. They have
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Speaker 1: decided they want to add an extension of COVID era
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Speaker 1: Obamacare subsidies that were giant extra subsidies that were part
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Speaker 1: of one of one of many slush funds created during
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Speaker 1: COVID under alleged emergency conditions that we didn't really need
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Speaker 1: and that are basically fraudulent and in fact raise everyone's premiums,
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Speaker 1: because why when people don't have to pay for premiums
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Speaker 1: and you're subsidizing them, your costs go up. So they
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Speaker 1: approved these during COVID they put an expiration date on them.
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Speaker 1: That expiration date is this year, so.
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Speaker 2: They'll put a date so far into the future. They
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Speaker 2: were just like, we'll figure out how to deal with
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Speaker 2: this by then.
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Speaker 1: Well, and now their argument is fix our problem we
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Speaker 1: made for ourselves. And Republicans are like, no, you have
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Speaker 1: a clean CR. We know you want to continue these subsidies,
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Speaker 1: which are billions of dollars in handouts to insurance companies,
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Speaker 1: but we never voted for them. We don't want them.
22:34
Speaker 1: This is not our job. Take it up with someone else.
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Speaker 1: And they're like, you're making a healthcare crisis. So that's
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Speaker 1: where we stand at the moment.
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Speaker 2: Can Republicans fight back on this or will they ultimately
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Speaker 2: fold just to get the cr through.
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Speaker 1: I think they can fight this effectively. And that's why
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Speaker 1: I'm sort of staging it for you guys, because I
22:54
Speaker 1: think it's important to understand what they're doing here, because
22:58
Speaker 1: they're saying healthcare cuts, right, Well, there's not a cut.
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Speaker 1: This is a program that was superfluous to begin with, right,
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Speaker 1: went mostly to insurance companies. Because, by the way, can
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Speaker 1: I just point out speaking of things we were right
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Speaker 1: about that, we've been right about Obamacare the whole time, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: which is that premiums would go up, the risk pools
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Speaker 1: would get worse, things would cost more, care would get worse,
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Speaker 1: coverage would get worse. Have to keep throwing money at it.
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Speaker 1: And that's what they're doing. And they're afraid that on
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Speaker 1: October first, when the insurance companies are required by law
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Speaker 1: by Obamacare, their original failure to send out their notices
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Speaker 1: that say your premiums are going up, right, that that's
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Speaker 1: going to be a problem for them. Yeah, I think
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Speaker 1: you're trying to prevent it by making us do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's getting so far away from the Obama years
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Speaker 2: that are people even going to connect it to Obamacare?
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure either, And these things can get so muddied.
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Speaker 1: And look, Ocrats are really good at just saying crisis, crisis, crisis,
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Speaker 1: They want to end everything. But I would encourage everyone
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Speaker 1: to remember that basically any Biden era program approved as
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Speaker 1: part of IRA or Save whatever Saves America Act or
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Speaker 1: whatever they were all called are mostly slush funds and
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Speaker 1: nonsense to put us on a higher spending level that
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Speaker 1: then Democrats could claim we can never come down from
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Speaker 1: and therefore get all that money for the future.
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Speaker 2: Right, all of them are named, Yeah, all of them
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Speaker 2: are named like not a slush fund, we promise bill.
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Speaker 1: So they made their own problem. They want Republicans to
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Speaker 1: solve it, and Republicans are like, pass, no, you guys
24:45
Speaker 1: are going to have to deal with this. So in
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Speaker 1: the Senate, that's the the game board as it is.
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Speaker 1: They want to have a meeting with Schumer wants a
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Speaker 1: meeting with Trump, and Trump's like, why we gave you
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Speaker 1: a clean cr and they're like, a ha, see he
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Speaker 1: won't go with us. What dude, you got the thing?
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I hope he sticks to that. I hope
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Speaker 2: he doesn't negotiate, because it sounds like Republicans are for
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Speaker 2: the first time in forever in a winning situation where
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Speaker 2: they have done the right thing. I like that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we'll probably fight each other over the cr anyway.
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Speaker 1: I guess it's different, but that is where we stand
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Speaker 1: at the moment.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll be right back with more on Normally,
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Speaker 2: where we preview twenty twenty eight, talk about the latest
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Speaker 2: polls and Kamala Gavin, what's going on with them? Let's
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Speaker 2: talk about it. All right. We are back on Normally
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Speaker 2: with a fun little segment where we get to enjoy
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Speaker 2: the Democrats disarray and look, we know it's not going
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Speaker 2: to last. We know it won't always be this way,
25:51
Speaker 2: but polls have been so much fun lately. Every poll
25:54
Speaker 2: that comes out, it's like, who even are the Democrats?
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Speaker 2: Do they even exist? The latest Reuters has which party
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Speaker 2: has a better plan on crime? Republicans are up by twenty. Immigration,
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Speaker 2: Republicans are up by eighteen, Foreign conflicts Republicans are up
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Speaker 2: by twelve. Economy Republicans are up by ten. Corruption Republicans
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Speaker 2: are up by six. Gun control, Gun control Republicans are
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Speaker 2: up by four. Political extremism Republicans are up by four.
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Speaker 2: The only things Democrats are up on for a better
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Speaker 2: plan are environment, women's rights, healthcare, and respect for democracy.
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Speaker 2: And that's fine with me.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean this is this is probably an indication,
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Speaker 1: by the way of why they're going after healthcare messaging
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Speaker 1: on the CR is that they're trying to submit that
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Speaker 1: for next year as they're winning issue, that they're going
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Speaker 1: to harp on this even though most of it is
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Speaker 1: made up, but it is, you know, one of the
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Speaker 1: few places that they outperform Republicans. Those numbers are tragic
26:59
Speaker 1: if you crap right.
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Speaker 2: And even like women's rights, how are they even up
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Speaker 2: thirteen points on women's rights? When was the last time
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Speaker 2: they cared about women's rights at all? I know it's
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Speaker 2: just code for abortion, I get it, but wow, do
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Speaker 2: they not care about women's rights? And if Republicans were
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Speaker 2: better at messaging about it, and you know, maybe Erica
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Speaker 2: Kirk gives Republicans the kick that they need to become
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Speaker 2: better messengers on women's rights, I think things could even
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Speaker 2: turn around on that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, on that subject, by the way, Spanberger, who I
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Speaker 1: keep referencing, But she's important because she's running in Virginia
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Speaker 1: for governor and she is the great normy hope for Democrats.
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Speaker 1: She was once again asked about boys in women's locker
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Speaker 1: rooms or boys in women's sports and couldn't give a
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Speaker 1: straight answer because even though it's the most normal position
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Speaker 1: you can have, she can't do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, she runs away because she doesn't want to
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Speaker 2: be on the record answering, which she really thinks, and
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Speaker 2: that's sad empathetic.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think part of the problem might be
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Speaker 1: that these folks just sound like freaked out weirdos all
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Speaker 1: the time, and like, look, I concede that Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: is a weirdo, but he's an entertaining weirdo, and that
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Speaker 1: has made all the difference.
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Speaker 2: He is hilarious, and every time I hear him, he
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Speaker 2: is just He's got a very good natural sense of humor.
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Speaker 2: And I don't think Democrats can emulate that as well
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Speaker 2: as they think they can.
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Speaker 1: Andvin Newsom certainly cannot.
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Speaker 2: Gavin Newsome, he's funny without meaning to be, Like you know,
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Speaker 2: apparently Kamala asked him for an endorsement the day that
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Speaker 2: Biden stepped down and he wrote to her, I think
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Speaker 2: we talked about this last episode, but Hiking will respond later,
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Speaker 2: and then never responded. I mean, that's hilarious, but I
28:48
Speaker 2: don't think he was trying.
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Speaker 1: To be I've definitely done that to people before, but
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Speaker 1: it wasn't over something that important. Shall we listen to
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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom's pitch about why twenty twenty eight is important.
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Speaker 2: The most important election I'm sure of our lifetime.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear about it.
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Speaker 5: I fear that we will not have an election in
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight.
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Speaker 1: I really mean that.
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Speaker 2: And the core of my soul unless we wake up
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Speaker 2: to the code red what's happening in this country, and
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Speaker 2: we wake up soberly to how serious this moment is.
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Speaker 2: The core of his soul? What soul? What's sould?
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Speaker 1: Also, then why are you in South Carolina?
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Speaker 3: Dude?
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Speaker 1: Right? Well, what are you doing? You don't believe that
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Speaker 1: there won't be a twenty twenty eight election?
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Speaker 2: Right, You're just.
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Speaker 1: Full of it. And I don't understand why this apocalyptic
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Speaker 1: pitch is the only one they can do. It's crazy
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Speaker 1: one they can do.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, if they're not going to lower
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Speaker 2: the temperature at ever, now would be a really good
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Speaker 2: time for that, and they're completely disinterested in doing that.
29:56
Speaker 2: Noah Rothman tweets about that clip. That's why he staffed
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Speaker 2: out with Clinton and Harris Aids, who have little experience
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Speaker 2: in Sacramento and doing speaking tours in South Carolina, which
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Speaker 2: has almost no competitive races in twenty twenty six, because
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Speaker 2: he's sure there won't be an election. Maybe it's insurance
30:12
Speaker 2: just in case. Yeah, he knows what will be an election.
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Speaker 2: And look Trump, you know, for better or worse, it
30:19
Speaker 2: could have at different points in his last presidency canceled
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Speaker 2: elections or on January sixth, after January six refused to
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Speaker 2: leave the White House. He didn't do any of that.
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Speaker 2: So I'm pretty confident we're going to have a twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty eight election. Another tweet that I liked about this,
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Speaker 2: per Deep Shankar tweets, these are the kinds of unsupported,
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Speaker 2: politically charged statements that make mentally unstable wackle progressive terrorists
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Speaker 2: consider violence exactly.
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Speaker 1: It does seem like an issue. Also, are you not
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Speaker 1: doing voter suppression by telling them that there will be
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Speaker 1: no voting?
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like you're on voters. Yeah, I guess,
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Speaker 1: but I don't understand this approach because there are people
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Speaker 1: on the margins who will go Why would I register
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Speaker 1: to vote? He said, there's going to be no twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty eight election. Yeah, are you doing this to yourself?
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Speaker 2: Had a moment where I was worried they were doing
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Speaker 2: this to themselves in you know, in the during the
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Speaker 2: Biden administration, and when i'd be on the road for
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Speaker 2: speeches and stuff, I'd have people come up to me
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Speaker 2: and say, I don't think there's a point in voting.
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Speaker 2: They're they're going to steal it anyway. And I'd be like, yo,
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Speaker 2: go vote. Don't don't think this because you know.
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Speaker 1: Well Trump Trump famously in the runoff with the with
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Speaker 1: the two Senate seats in Georgia.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, since I was a messenger.
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Speaker 1: And turned Georgia Senate seats blue right, so you can
31:44
Speaker 1: tell people that their votes don't matter and they might
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Speaker 1: believe you. So you shouldn't do that.
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Speaker 2: He's tone that down, he really has. He's become like, definitely,
31:54
Speaker 2: go vote guy.
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Speaker 1: So yes, so we've corrected that particular messaging problem. I
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Speaker 1: don't know why they're doing it to themselves. Yeah.
32:03
Speaker 2: So on our last last person we're going to talk
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Speaker 2: about in this segment, Kamala Harris. Her book is more
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Speaker 2: interesting than I thought it'd be, not a lot more interesting,
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Speaker 2: but a touch more interesting. She is taking it to Biden.
32:16
Speaker 2: How dare he not step down? In advance? She tears
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Speaker 2: into her husband for not doing enough for her birthday.
32:24
Speaker 2: She's she's got some grievances and you know it's festivus.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, like that part's entertaining. I guess she
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Speaker 1: has a She has an interesting quality of being simultaneously
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Speaker 1: extremely cringe and uncompelling at the same time because you're
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Speaker 1: just listening to slop of words and you don't but like,
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Speaker 1: some of this is like medium interesting. The problem for
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Speaker 1: the party is that it has no answers, right, There's
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Speaker 1: there's no answer as to why she was the person
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Speaker 1: and didn't get it done. Why none of it's her fault,
33:03
Speaker 1: As I think Dave Weigel put it, it's all mistakes
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Speaker 1: made by other people years ago that hurt her. And
33:11
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, but you you were supposed to be
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Speaker 1: the one who wanted to be president, right, you didn't
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Speaker 1: say anything about those mistakes.
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Speaker 2: At all at the time about how like Biden was like,
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Speaker 2: Now you're like, oh, when I hugged him, he seemed
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Speaker 2: really feeble, Like you could have mentioned something at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you have seven days because of that. Yes, we
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Speaker 1: have one comal oclip of her talking about her uh,
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Speaker 1: her journey on whether she should pick Pete Budajenje for VP.
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Speaker 1: Here it is.
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Speaker 3: You know, you're the first woman elected vice president, You're
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Speaker 3: a black woman and a South Asian woman elected that
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Speaker 3: high office, very nearly elected president. To say that he
33:48
Speaker 3: couldn't be on the ticket effectively because he was gay,
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Speaker 3: it's hard to hear.
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Speaker 4: No, No, that's not what I said that that's that
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Speaker 4: he couldn't be on the ticket because he is gay.
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Speaker 4: My point, as I write in the book, is that
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Speaker 4: I was clear that, you know, one hundred and seven
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Speaker 4: days in one of the most hotly contested elections for
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Speaker 4: president and United States against someone like Donald Trump, who
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Speaker 4: knows no floor, to be a black woman running for
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Speaker 4: president United States and as a vice presidential running mate
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Speaker 4: a gay man, with the stakes being so high, it
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Speaker 4: made me very sad, but I also realized it would
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Speaker 4: be a real risk.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't that hotly contested. Trump won every single swing state.
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Speaker 2: That's important because how much more could she lose? Like
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Speaker 2: with a gay man on the ticket, where's her bottom
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Speaker 2: on this?
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Speaker 1: Well, also she says, no, no, no, I didn't say
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Speaker 1: I didn't hire him because he was gay. I said
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Speaker 1: I didn't hire him because the stakes were too high
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Speaker 1: for him to be gay.
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Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: It's like, okay, well that's the same thing. You know,
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Speaker 1: it takes a real special person to just straight up
35:10
Speaker 1: torpedo the whole DEI thing they have going on. That
35:14
Speaker 1: she so the liability to do the de I thing
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Speaker 1: to begin with at this point in time, and then
35:21
Speaker 1: to continue to embrace it but also admit that you
35:25
Speaker 1: didn't hire somebody because he was gay. You're you're the
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Speaker 1: worst of all the worlds. Yes, you're the worst of
35:31
Speaker 1: all the world.
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Speaker 2: Right. And it was obvious also at the time that
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Speaker 2: she didn't pick jos Shapiro because her party was having
35:37
Speaker 2: a jew problem. And so it's funny, you know, there's
35:42
Speaker 2: lots of jokes also, like she didn't want to pick
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Speaker 2: the gay man, so she picked Tim Wong.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's I think the biggest disadvantage of this book
35:53
Speaker 1: tour for Republicans is that it might truly convince the
35:57
Speaker 1: Democrats that she has no past future right to the
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Speaker 1: nomination in the future, which would have, of course behoove us.
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Speaker 1: Because she is so very bad at this.
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Speaker 2: Come on, say the terrible with you.
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Speaker 1: She's so terrible, horrible, horrible, she really is, and she's
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Speaker 1: bad in the most friendly places. I watched her on
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Speaker 1: Madout and I watched her on the View, and she's
36:23
Speaker 1: terrible in both places. She has not thought through what
36:26
Speaker 1: these answers should be. She has no anticipation of what
36:30
Speaker 1: the tough questions I put that in clods because they're
36:32
Speaker 1: not tough questions are going to be. And she just
36:36
Speaker 1: flups it once again, once again.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't work that she does not put in the work.
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Speaker 2: She thinks she is smarter than everybody and doesn't have
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Speaker 2: to do the work. And as I tell my kids
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Speaker 2: all the time, that doesn't work.
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Speaker 3: So won't work.
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Speaker 2: It won't work. Yeah, No, it doesn't matter how smart
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Speaker 2: you are. You gotta do the work, alrighty. Thanks for
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