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- 0:00Speaker 1: Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. The stories about
- 0:15Speaker 1: the Clash are insane. They were arrested on suspicion of
- 0:19Speaker 1: terrorism after shooting guns off of a roof. They were
- 0:23Speaker 1: chased out of Jamaica by local drug lords armed to
- 0:26Speaker 1: the teeth. They caused a near riot in Times Square
- 0:30Speaker 1: when their week long takeover of a disco was shut
- 0:33Speaker 1: down by the city after one night. They were famously
- 0:36Speaker 1: described as the only band that matters, a description that
- 0:40Speaker 1: weighed so heavy it caused one of the members of
- 0:43Speaker 1: the band to disappear at their commercial peak. Long before
- 0:47Speaker 1: they reached that peak, the Clash were making great music,
- 0:52Speaker 1: unlike that clip I played for you at the top
- 0:54Speaker 1: of the show. That wasn't great music. That was a
- 0:57Speaker 1: preset loop from my mellotron called the Illustrious seven MK two.
- 1:04Speaker 1: I played you that clip because I can't afford the
- 1:06Speaker 1: rights to a clip from Betty Davis Eyes by Kim Carnes.
- 1:11Speaker 1: And why would I play you that specific slice of
- 1:14Speaker 1: teazy just to please you cheese? Could I afford it?
- 1:18Speaker 1: Because that was the number one song in America on
- 1:22Speaker 1: May twenty eighth, nineteen eighty one, and that was the
- 1:26Speaker 1: day that The Clash in seven nights stand at Bond
- 1:29Speaker 1: International Casino came to a screeching halt when it was
- 1:33Speaker 1: discovered that the promoters had oversold every show by double
- 1:38Speaker 1: initiating a standoff between the band, the fire department, the police,
- 1:44Speaker 1: rival club owners and angry fans. On this episode, guns
- 1:49Speaker 1: on the roof Jamaican drug lords, a Times Square riot,
- 1:54Speaker 1: and the only band that matters The Clash. I'm Jake
- 1:59Speaker 1: Brennan and this is Disgraceland. The Clash's manager, Bernie Rhodes,
- 2:21Speaker 1: once described the band as a news organization first, an
- 2:25Speaker 1: entertainer's second, or as the Clash's own Joe Strummer put it,
- 2:30Speaker 1: a public service announcement. With guitar Joe Mick Jones, Paul
- 2:35Speaker 1: Simonon and Topperheaton were on the front lines of a
- 2:38Speaker 1: world that was ripping apart at the seams, hate in war, racism,
- 2:43Speaker 1: and greed, corruption, inequality. But over forty years ago, when
- 2:49Speaker 1: The Clash were the only band that matters, to quote
- 2:52Speaker 1: their record company, they reported on that world with music
- 2:56Speaker 1: on the cutting edge. The Clash where a punk band
- 2:59Speaker 1: at a time, and the word punk actually meant something.
- 3:03Speaker 1: Key players at the dawn of a movement that didn't
- 3:05Speaker 1: want to top the charts. Note punk wanted the charts
- 3:09Speaker 1: torn down. Charts, just like every other pecking order in life,
- 3:14Speaker 1: were meaningless. Punk Rocks meaning was to gnaws everything up,
- 3:18Speaker 1: to use a Joe strummerism, that is, to fuck with
- 3:21Speaker 1: the order of things, to challenge the status quo. Punk
- 3:25Speaker 1: rock wanted no charts, which isn't the same as no future,
- 3:30Speaker 1: the buzz phrase of the clash as contemporary as the
- 3:32Speaker 1: sex pistols. I never mind those bollocks. Joe Strummer, for one,
- 3:36Speaker 1: could see the future. It was unwritten there for the taking.
- 3:40Speaker 1: Allow the wrong people to take it, and there will
- 3:43Speaker 1: be Trump to stand by and do nothing, and there
- 3:45Speaker 1: will be double And Joe Strummer wasn't about to stand
- 3:49Speaker 1: by while the world clashed the haves and the have nots,
- 3:53Speaker 1: police and thieves. High and low. Culture nineteen seventy seven
- 3:58Speaker 1: was quote unquote a Magideon time, and there was no
- 4:02Speaker 1: chaos on seven seven nineteen seventy seven, as prophesied by
- 4:06Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey and soundtracked by the Roots reggae group Culture
- 4:10Speaker 1: on their hit two seven's Clash, But one year prior,
- 4:14Speaker 1: war was declared and battle come down. Long simmering tensions
- 4:20Speaker 1: between the West London black community and the local police
- 4:23Speaker 1: boiled over. The cops at the annual carnival celebration in
- 4:28Speaker 1: notting Hill weren't there to celebrate, but to remind everyone
- 4:31Speaker 1: of their authority, to demonstrate complete control. Instead, the ruled
- 4:38Speaker 1: rose up against the rulers. It started small, an alleged
- 4:44Speaker 1: pickpocket being roughed up by a cop with the truncheon,
- 4:47Speaker 1: a coke can tossed at a phalanx of Bobby's out
- 4:50Speaker 1: of frustration, and then ma'am police charging through the streets
- 4:55Speaker 1: Black men and women attacked, arrested men and women with
- 4:58Speaker 1: nothing more than an axe to grind and the guts
- 5:00Speaker 1: to do something about it. That's according to Joe Strummer,
- 5:04Speaker 1: who should know because he was there on the front
- 5:07Speaker 1: lines fighting the fight, trying in vain to set a
- 5:10Speaker 1: car on fire while Paul Simmon and the Clash's bass
- 5:13Speaker 1: player tossed bricks at police in solidarity. Joe Strummer couldn't
- 5:18Speaker 1: set a car on fire, but he could write a song.
- 5:25Speaker 1: White Riot was the Clash's first single, released in March
- 5:28Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy seven, when the Nodding Hill Melee was
- 5:31Speaker 1: still fresh. White Riot was a call to action in
- 5:35Speaker 1: two snarling minutes. Joe Strummer intended for the song to
- 5:39Speaker 1: encourage white people like himself to get involved in the
- 5:41Speaker 1: fight against authority, to help grind that axe and fuck
- 5:45Speaker 1: those jack boot heels pressed tight against the necks of
- 5:48Speaker 1: the disenfranchised. But those heels were powerful. Authority was powerful.
- 5:54Speaker 1: A song was not enough, especially when a song could
- 5:58Speaker 1: easily be misconstrued. White Riot was when it was quickly
- 6:02Speaker 1: co opted by the National Front. Now a few years later,
- 6:07Speaker 1: Joe Stormer was back to the drawing board, back to
- 6:10Speaker 1: a corner of the recording studio, surrounded by road cases,
- 6:15Speaker 1: deep inside his self constructed Spliff Bunker, a makeshift hiding
- 6:20Speaker 1: place where one could smoke huge joints and plot the
- 6:22Speaker 1: next big thing while not disturbing the engineers and musicians
- 6:25Speaker 1: as they worked, because one must have order. Punk was
- 6:29Speaker 1: not chaos, and by nineteen eighty one, the Clash were
- 6:34Speaker 1: not Punk. Punk was dead, just like the fanzine said,
- 6:40Speaker 1: it died the day the Clash signed to CBS Records.
- 6:44Speaker 1: If punk was indeed Yesterday's papers, as Joe Starmer suspected
- 6:48Speaker 1: it was, when he once again looked to the future.
- 6:51Speaker 1: That meant the Clash had to adapt or die. First,
- 6:55Speaker 1: they traded punk for rockabilly, scot even pop London, calling
- 6:59Speaker 1: their DOLP Masterpiece, sold hundreds of thousands of copies and
- 7:03Speaker 1: found its way under those ridiculous charts, and their new
- 7:07Speaker 1: record was going to be even bigger, if not in
- 7:09Speaker 1: sales and at least in scope. Sandinista was a triple LP,
- 7:14Speaker 1: yet the band demanded it be priced at just a
- 7:17Speaker 1: little more than a single album. Much to their record
- 7:20Speaker 1: label CBS's chagrin, Sandinista got even further away from punk
- 7:25Speaker 1: into dub reggae, R and B and most importantly, a
- 7:29Speaker 1: new sound coming from the streets of New York City.
- 7:34Speaker 1: Hip hop had the new punk attitude. Hip hop was
- 7:38Speaker 1: the future. Joe Strummer planned his next move from the
- 7:43Speaker 1: sanctity of a spliff bunker. The Clash were once to
- 7:46Speaker 1: take a stand against apathy, clamp downs, Spanish bombs, tommy guns.
- 7:52Speaker 1: Sometimes the stand wasn't political, but rather about love, about
- 7:57Speaker 1: standing by your man, like in Mick Jones great pop
- 8:00Speaker 1: song Train in Vain. Right now, Joe wasn't thinking about
- 8:05Speaker 1: making the world a little less miserable with a song.
- 8:08Speaker 1: He was thinking about doing it by making a stand,
- 8:11Speaker 1: a seven nights stand in New York City to be
- 8:14Speaker 1: exact ground zero for hip hop, the nucleus of the future.
- 8:19Speaker 1: A massive undertaking, but not massive like Madison Square Garden,
- 8:24Speaker 1: as they were originally offered more money for less effort,
- 8:28Speaker 1: defeated the purpose. The grateful dead rush sticks, fucking rolling stones,
- 8:34Speaker 1: those bloated dinosaurs. They could have Madison Square Garden. The
- 8:39Speaker 1: Clash wanted to be at street level, with the graffiti
- 8:42Speaker 1: artists and the bee boys in the boomboxes banging out
- 8:45Speaker 1: that crooked beat. The plan was to play seven Nights
- 8:51Speaker 1: at Bond International Casino in Times Square aka Bonds, which
- 8:58Speaker 1: wasn't an actual casino, but a one time restaurant turned
- 9:00Speaker 1: haberdasher he left vacant for years, like the building's gone
- 9:04Speaker 1: to rock back in Camden Town, the ones that Joe
- 9:06Speaker 1: squatted in before he joined the Clash and had the
- 9:09Speaker 1: opportunity to play music in as a far away place
- 9:12Speaker 1: as Times Square. Tickets here in Times Square at Bonds
- 9:16Speaker 1: were ten dollars and the all ages mattinee shows were
- 9:19Speaker 1: only five That was eleven bucks less than the cost
- 9:23Speaker 1: to see Mick Jagger embarrass himself at Madison Square Garden.
- 9:28Speaker 1: But it wasn't just the price, it was the opportunity.
- 9:32Speaker 1: The show is at Bonds, where the Clash's only scheduled
- 9:35Speaker 1: performances in North America that year. New Yorkers flocked down
- 9:39Speaker 1: to forty fifth and Broadway. They slept on the sidewalk
- 9:42Speaker 1: overnight to be the first in line when the box
- 9:44Speaker 1: office opened. Outside the city, fans flooded the phone lines
- 9:48Speaker 1: at Ticketron aka Ticketmaster before Ticketmaster was Ticketmaster, and all
- 9:53Speaker 1: seven shows quickly sold out. New York City was all
- 9:57Speaker 1: of a sudden clash central on the street sayings Joe
- 10:01Speaker 1: Rap from the Magnificent Seven WBLS played the extended twelve
- 10:05Speaker 1: inch remix The Magnificent Dance on repeat. WNEW declared Clash
- 10:10Speaker 1: Week in New York City, and the hype was palpable,
- 10:14Speaker 1: as palpable as the heat over one hundred degrees on
- 10:17Speaker 1: night one, Thursday May twenty eighth. Inside Bonds, the Clash
- 10:23Speaker 1: were equally hot. Joe Strummer attacking his telecaster with a
- 10:27Speaker 1: jackhammer arm and gritted teeth. Mick Jones moving NonStop, bouncing,
- 10:32Speaker 1: trading songs with Joe Paul Simon in his bass, a
- 10:36Speaker 1: low slung weapon of truth to Raheaton, overpowered by funk
- 10:40Speaker 1: images as arresting as the music projected on the wall
- 10:43Speaker 1: behind them, tanks, soldiers, handguns, gas masks, napalm babies. The Clash,
- 10:51Speaker 1: true to their manager's word, were a news organization first,
- 10:55Speaker 1: entertainer's second. But not everybody was entertained before the Clash.
- 11:01Speaker 1: He even took the stage. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious
- 11:04Speaker 1: Five at the forefront of New York Hip Hop, hand
- 11:07Speaker 1: picked by the Clash that opened the show, were booed
- 11:10Speaker 1: and pelted with trash. And then when the show ended
- 11:13Speaker 1: and the front door opened up, a group of New
- 11:16Speaker 1: York firefighters rushed inside, and Joe Starmer felt a sudden panic.
- 11:20Speaker 1: Where's the fire? There was no fire, but there were
- 11:25Speaker 1: thirty six hundred people inside, nearly twice as much as
- 11:29Speaker 1: was legally allowed for the city's fire coding. The Clash
- 11:33Speaker 1: had created a death trap, or so said the person
- 11:35Speaker 1: who called the fire department to complain. A concerned citizen.
- 11:40Speaker 1: Think again, more likely a rival club or promoter, pissed
- 11:44Speaker 1: that the Clash were taking away business from every other
- 11:46Speaker 1: spot in Manhattan. Piss that the promoters of this unprecedented
- 11:50Speaker 1: seven nights stand at Bonds had oversold the show by
- 11:52Speaker 1: double and not just the first night, every night. Now
- 11:56Speaker 1: there would be no more nights. The Clash were done. Meanwhile,
- 12:02Speaker 1: the greedy promoters were counting their thousands fans left holding
- 12:06Speaker 1: tickets were a shit out of luck, and the prevailing
- 12:09Speaker 1: authority that was the City of New York was in
- 12:12Speaker 1: complete control. When it came to complete control, everyone wanted it.
- 12:42Speaker 1: Joe Strummer, Mick Jones, the Clash's manager, Bernie Rhodes, but
- 12:47Speaker 1: it was their label, CBS Records, who were the ones
- 12:50Speaker 1: really calling the shots. CBS could release music by the
- 12:54Speaker 1: Clash whether the band wanted them to or not, and
- 12:57Speaker 1: that pissed Joe oft enough that he wrote a song
- 12:59Speaker 1: about it. But Joe and the Boys should have known better.
- 13:02Speaker 1: CBS wasn't some charitable foundation for artists. It was a
- 13:05Speaker 1: business run by businessmen, men like Maurice Oberstein, CBS's chairman,
- 13:12Speaker 1: who thought the Clash's new song, Bank Robber, sounded like
- 13:15Speaker 1: David Bowie backwards. Whatever that meant. Maurice didn't get it.
- 13:19Speaker 1: It was nineteen eighty, just three years since the Clash's
- 13:23Speaker 1: debut already they were confusing the suit in the corner office,
- 13:27Speaker 1: the guy with complete control Bank Robber, was drenched in
- 13:31Speaker 1: echo and reverb, with a groove as knocked out loaded
- 13:34Speaker 1: as one of the splits Joe smoked in his bunker.
- 13:37Speaker 1: It was blessed with the fingerprints of Mikey Dredd, legendary
- 13:40Speaker 1: Jamaican DJ dub and reggae guru, who had become friendly
- 13:44Speaker 1: with the band and was fully on board with the
- 13:46Speaker 1: musical hybrid they were now eager to pursue. Maurice would
- 13:50Speaker 1: catch up soon enough, the Clash, Mikey dread they'd all
- 13:54Speaker 1: be waiting for him in the future, But until then,
- 13:59Speaker 1: the Clash weren't waiting around, not for Marie Oberstein's approval
- 14:03Speaker 1: or for his money. With the help of Paul Simonon's
- 14:06Speaker 1: girlfriend's AMEX card, the Clash flew to Jamaica to Studio
- 14:10Speaker 1: one in Kingston, where Mikey Dredd was waiting to work
- 14:13Speaker 1: with them again, this time for Sandinista, which was quickly
- 14:17Speaker 1: becoming a three LP indulgence in just about any and
- 14:21Speaker 1: every idea the band had, like Junker partner, an old
- 14:25Speaker 1: blues tune that Joe's former band the one oh one
- 14:27Speaker 1: Ers used to play, but they didn't play at one
- 14:30Speaker 1: oh onon ER's style. This wasn't pub rock. This was
- 14:33Speaker 1: radio Clash, Pirates, Satellite Kingston, dub punk, and spirit if
- 14:38Speaker 1: not in sound. Joe sat at the old piano inside
- 14:43Speaker 1: Studio one. It was out of tune, but in the
- 14:46Speaker 1: best way possible. He fumbled his fingers across the keys
- 14:49Speaker 1: and worked out the song's chor progression. A fiddler wandered
- 14:53Speaker 1: in from outside and began to play along the dreads
- 14:56Speaker 1: from roots radis Studio one session players who hung around
- 14:59Speaker 1: the march enchewed the scenery. The vibe inside the little
- 15:03Speaker 1: studio was as strong as the ganja that was currently
- 15:05Speaker 1: making the rounds. Joe felt a tapping at his shoulder.
- 15:10Speaker 1: He stopped playing and spun around. It was Mikey, Joe,
- 15:15Speaker 1: come on, man, quick, we must go what Joe was confused?
- 15:21Speaker 1: The hell was going on? What was Mikey even talking about? Now?
- 15:26Speaker 1: Mikey shouted, They're coming to kill us all by they
- 15:31Speaker 1: Mikey men, drug men, hustlers armed to the teeth, on
- 15:35Speaker 1: their way to the studio to collect payment protection money.
- 15:38Speaker 1: You're not from around here money. The kind that even
- 15:41Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones coughed up when they came to Kingston
- 15:43Speaker 1: to make goats head soup. But the Clash weren't the Stones.
- 15:48Speaker 1: They didn't have that kind of bread. Shit man. The
- 15:51Speaker 1: only reason they were in Kingston in the first place
- 15:53Speaker 1: was because Paul's girl had a room on her credit card.
- 15:55Speaker 1: And if the Clash came up empty, the drug men
- 15:58Speaker 1: were going to get what they thought was theirs and
- 16:00Speaker 1: other way with bloodshed. There was only one thing for
- 16:04Speaker 1: the Clash to do. Run. They left everything behind the
- 16:09Speaker 1: old piano at the Roots Erratics, the killer Ganja, that
- 16:12Speaker 1: fiddle player, and scurried outside in Kingston's dry season. Directly
- 16:16Speaker 1: across the street, local gangsters carrying automatic weapons and machetes
- 16:20Speaker 1: began to emerge from the shadows from anale The locals
- 16:24Speaker 1: called Idler's rest, but there was no resting on the
- 16:27Speaker 1: docket for the Clash. No Idly, not while the world
- 16:31Speaker 1: ripped apart, and it seems and not today. Within seconds, Joe, Mick,
- 16:36Speaker 1: Paul and Topper were inside the car that used to
- 16:38Speaker 1: get to the studio, retracing their tracks back down a
- 16:41Speaker 1: dirt road, kicking up dust, passed an intersection where just
- 16:44Speaker 1: hours earlier, unbeknownst to any of them, fourteen men had
- 16:48Speaker 1: been shot dead as part of an ongoing civil war that,
- 16:51Speaker 1: while not officially declared, was very real. And then the
- 16:57Speaker 1: car dissolved into the Jamaican sunset, the dust settled, the
- 17:03Speaker 1: Clash were gone. Kingston's drug men didn't get their money,
- 17:10Speaker 1: but they did send the Clash packing out of Jamaica
- 17:14Speaker 1: over to New York City, where they finished making Sandinista
- 17:17Speaker 1: at studios like Jimmy Hendrix's Electric Lady Land, where one
- 17:21Speaker 1: year later they once again found themselves at the mercy
- 17:23Speaker 1: of gangsters and hustlers looking to take complete control. This time,
- 17:29Speaker 1: the gangsters were greedy promoters who had oversold the band's
- 17:32Speaker 1: seven nights stand at Bonds in Times Square. The hustlers
- 17:36Speaker 1: were other vindictive club owners from around the way, eager
- 17:39Speaker 1: to punish the Clash for their hubris, and their own
- 17:42Speaker 1: contemporaries were using this moment to call the Clash out
- 17:45Speaker 1: for getting on the charts, for getting bloated, just like
- 17:48Speaker 1: the rock Dinosaurs playing Madison Square Garden. Look at them,
- 17:52Speaker 1: That Clash a bunch of corporate shills. The little guy
- 17:56Speaker 1: reporting from the front lines, horseshit. Try this on for
- 18:00Speaker 1: size instead, Joe Strummer, Mick Jones, the whole lot. They
- 18:04Speaker 1: pretended to be enraged by the actions of a guy
- 18:07Speaker 1: like Maurice Oberstein at the multi conglomerate mass market clusterfuck
- 18:11Speaker 1: that was CBS Records, but in reality the four of
- 18:14Speaker 1: them were no different. At a press conference immediately before
- 18:19Speaker 1: night one, before the show that got them shut down,
- 18:22Speaker 1: the Clash were told that Paul Weller of The Jam
- 18:25Speaker 1: had just called them sellouts. What constitutes a sellout in
- 18:29Speaker 1: the eyes of the Clash, the reporter wondered. Mick Jones
- 18:33Speaker 1: couldn't resist. What happens is that all the tickets go
- 18:36Speaker 1: on sale for a concert, and all the people who
- 18:38Speaker 1: want to go go and buy them as there are tickets,
- 18:41Speaker 1: That constitutes a sellout. Fuck all mod cons, Paul Weller
- 18:45Speaker 1: and The Jam were living in the past, bitter that
- 18:47Speaker 1: their music wasn't reaching the same number of people people
- 18:50Speaker 1: now flooding into Times Square because of one band and
- 18:53Speaker 1: one band only. The Clash outside Bonds it was chaos,
- 19:00Speaker 1: cops kicking gypsies on the pavement and all that. While
- 19:02Speaker 1: yellow calves raced down Broadway NYPD riding around on horsebacks,
- 19:07Speaker 1: swinging their billy clubs at the hordes of kids crowding
- 19:09Speaker 1: the street, kids who were infuriated that they'd stood in
- 19:12Speaker 1: line for hours, slept on the pavement overnight, and in
- 19:16Speaker 1: many cases spent a great deal of money and traveled
- 19:19Speaker 1: a great distance just to secure tickets to shows that
- 19:22Speaker 1: were now canceled. But Joe Strummer wasn't about to accept
- 19:26Speaker 1: that tens of thousands of fans were now getting turned away.
- 19:30Speaker 1: He also wasn't about to get chased out of New
- 19:32Speaker 1: York by club owners and firefighters, just like he'd been
- 19:35Speaker 1: chased out of Kingston by men who meant to do
- 19:37Speaker 1: him harm. There was a simple solution to this predicament.
- 19:41Speaker 1: Honor every ticket, even if that meant performing double the
- 19:46Speaker 1: amount of shows, which is exactly what the Clash did.
- 19:51Speaker 1: Seventeen shows squeezed into nearly half a month's time, Seventeen
- 19:55Speaker 1: shows when they were only slated to play seven each
- 20:00Speaker 1: show with a different opening act, punk, funk, hardcore, hip hop,
- 20:04Speaker 1: whatever was cool at the time. Bad Brains, The Sirens,
- 20:07Speaker 1: The Slits, Joe E. Lee, The Treacherous Three, The Bloods, Bush, Tetris, Funk, Apaulitan,
- 20:12Speaker 1: Least Scratch, Perry, The Fall, the Dead, Kennedy's Every night,
- 20:17Speaker 1: the same energy every night. A new crowd eager did
- 20:20Speaker 1: not miss out on music's hottest ticket. Say isn't that Hey,
- 20:25Speaker 1: that's Robert de Niro, Honey. He made his way inside
- 20:28Speaker 1: Bonds along with everyone else. Incognito. Martin Scorsese had a side.
- 20:32Speaker 1: After the show, they took Joe and the Guy's up
- 20:35Speaker 1: Broadway to a bar called Tin Pan Alley. Were some
- 20:37Speaker 1: arraging bulletpin shot. Just two years prior the clash, a
- 20:41Speaker 1: New York entourage grew Bobby Marty graffiti artists, future of
- 20:45Speaker 1: two thousand and five five Freddy like Min's reporting the
- 20:49Speaker 1: news on cinema screens and the sides of subway cars,
- 20:52Speaker 1: men on the street, men of the people. They didn't
- 20:55Speaker 1: have the answers to the world's problems, but they had
- 20:58Speaker 1: the questions. Questions they asked with spray paint on a wall,
- 21:02Speaker 1: with a flickering image, on a cinema screen, or in
- 21:05Speaker 1: a song played with utmost urgency, questions like where are
- 21:09Speaker 1: we going and what will happen when we get there?
- 21:12Speaker 1: What will you do if you rule the world? But
- 21:16Speaker 1: in less than a year's time, the Clash would be
- 21:19Speaker 1: asking a different sort of question, asking not of the
- 21:22Speaker 1: people on the street or the people in the audience,
- 21:25Speaker 1: but of themselves, and that question, should I stay or
- 21:30Speaker 1: should I go? We'll be right back after this. We're We're,
- 21:38Speaker 1: We're the West Way, London, nineteen seventy eight. Paul Simmon
- 21:48Speaker 1: and In Topper Heaton, the Clash's rhythm section, were up
- 21:51Speaker 1: on the roof. They traded a friend's air rifle back
- 21:55Speaker 1: and forth. Didn't have much of a kick, but it
- 21:58Speaker 1: made a decent bang, and the aim was half decent,
- 22:01Speaker 1: too good enough to hit a few of the pigeons
- 22:03Speaker 1: cooing and shitting all over the place, also good enough
- 22:06Speaker 1: to pass the time. While Mick and Joe laid down
- 22:09Speaker 1: overdubs for the band's current studio effort give him enough rope. Topper,
- 22:14Speaker 1: like most drummers, found that recording an album was about
- 22:17Speaker 1: ten percent work in ninety percent downtime. Topper was now
- 22:21Speaker 1: spending that downtime looking through a rifle scope. He honed
- 22:25Speaker 1: in on the pack of flying rats, dirty fucking animals.
- 22:29Speaker 1: He pulled the trigger, the rifle snapped, and the palette
- 22:32Speaker 1: exploded into the bunch sending feathers flying. One pigeon toppled
- 22:36Speaker 1: over dead, while the others flapped their wings and flew
- 22:38Speaker 1: into the air. But they didn't go far, and they
- 22:41Speaker 1: came right back, dirty and stupid. What a combo. Topper
- 22:47Speaker 1: cocked the rifle again and again he fired. Soon all
- 22:51Speaker 1: those rifle shots drew attention, not just people down on
- 22:55Speaker 1: the streets, but cops. Cops who had last busted a
- 22:59Speaker 1: rock group up on a roof some nine years prior,
- 23:01Speaker 1: when the Beatles pulled that little stunt five miles due
- 23:04Speaker 1: east from here atop Savile Row. But the Fabs were
- 23:07Speaker 1: just being loud. Topper and Paul were shooting a gun,
- 23:12Speaker 1: killing it turns out, not random dirty street pigeons, but
- 23:16Speaker 1: racing pigeons being raised by a local mechanic. Cops didn't
- 23:20Speaker 1: care about the birds. They took Topper and Paul for
- 23:22Speaker 1: terrorists and booked them as such. Now, four years later,
- 23:29Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty two, he wouldn't mistake Topper Heaton as
- 23:32Speaker 1: a terrorist, even if the Clash were dressing in fatigues
- 23:35Speaker 1: and naming albums for Nicaraguan freedom fighters. Topper was a
- 23:39Speaker 1: junkie addicted to heroin, a drug that may have suited
- 23:43Speaker 1: a horn player like Charlie Parker, but for a drummer,
- 23:46Speaker 1: a player who had to keep time presented a very
- 23:49Speaker 1: difficult set of challenges, And those challenges and Topper's unrelenting
- 23:54Speaker 1: habit weighed heavy on Joe Strummer's mind. So it did
- 23:58Speaker 1: as well on Mick Jones's mind, Joe's longtime songwriting partner.
- 24:02Speaker 1: And they weren't doing that anymore. Mick with the music
- 24:05Speaker 1: and Joe with the words. The two were barely speaking,
- 24:08Speaker 1: let alone writing. Mick just made Joe wait. He made
- 24:12Speaker 1: them all wait. He was Elizabeth Taylor in a foul mood,
- 24:15Speaker 1: and he was writing these big pop songs, songs that
- 24:19Speaker 1: weren't ripped from the headlines, but songs that aimed directly
- 24:22Speaker 1: for the charts, that meaningless pecking order that bands like
- 24:26Speaker 1: The Clash once revolted against. Take Should I Stay or
- 24:30Speaker 1: Should I Go? A song that wasn't about the things
- 24:33Speaker 1: Joe was writing, songs about colonialism and the hangover of
- 24:36Speaker 1: the Vietnam War and basic human rights. Should I Stay
- 24:40Speaker 1: or Should I Go? As a song about breaking up,
- 24:44Speaker 1: Joe didn't have to read between the lines. With Topper
- 24:47Speaker 1: nodding off and Mick buggering about. It was already obvious
- 24:50Speaker 1: that the Clash, once so tightly bound together, were like
- 24:54Speaker 1: the rest of the world coming apart. With the seams still,
- 24:59Speaker 1: they needed each other in order to keep this thing going. Remember,
- 25:02Speaker 1: they had convinced CBS to let them sell Sandinista their
- 25:05Speaker 1: triple LP for the price of a single record. They
- 25:08Speaker 1: did this by foregoing their royalties, which would help the
- 25:11Speaker 1: label recoup the money they otherwise would have lost, Which
- 25:15Speaker 1: meant that the Clash had a tour non stop to
- 25:17Speaker 1: generate the revenue to maintain the lifestyles they'd gotten used
- 25:20Speaker 1: to a half decade into their careers. So the class
- 25:24Speaker 1: played shows constantly and risked burnout at Bonds seventeen nights
- 25:30Speaker 1: in a row in the same city, at the same venue,
- 25:33Speaker 1: on the same stage, they risked losing their minds. Before long,
- 25:39Speaker 1: it was time to record another album, to make more
- 25:42Speaker 1: money and to feed the machine. Call it a hamster wheel,
- 25:45Speaker 1: call it a grind. Whatever it was, it wasn't what
- 25:48Speaker 1: Joe Strummer signed off for. What it was was a job,
- 25:53Speaker 1: and despite all of this, Joe and the Clash made
- 25:56Speaker 1: the job look easy. Record number five, Combat Rock became
- 26:01Speaker 1: their best selling album thanks to mixed breakup Song and
- 26:04Speaker 1: Topper's Rock the Kaspo, a song he recorded in a
- 26:08Speaker 1: rare state of sobriety. The drums, the bass, the keys,
- 26:11Speaker 1: the whole damn thing save for mixed guitar and Joe's
- 26:13Speaker 1: vocal knocked off in twenty minutes by Topper alone. But
- 26:18Speaker 1: that kind of focus and discipline was rare for a
- 26:20Speaker 1: guy in the grip of a habit. Soon Topper was
- 26:23Speaker 1: back to coppying a fix and Mick was back in
- 26:26Speaker 1: his foul mood, covering his face with a mosquito mast
- 26:29Speaker 1: during the Rock the Kasbo video shoot. Just because Bernie Rhoades,
- 26:35Speaker 1: the Clash's manager, was worried, maybe even more so than Joe,
- 26:40Speaker 1: not about the stability of the band, about the stability
- 26:43Speaker 1: of their finances. Bernie had put together an amazing US
- 26:47Speaker 1: tour for them in nineteen eighty three. This was the
- 26:50Speaker 1: tour that was going to make the band explode in
- 26:52Speaker 1: the United States, bigger than the Bonds run and bigger
- 26:55Speaker 1: than they could ever imagine, or so went Bernie's thinking.
- 27:00Speaker 1: The stakes the worst thing that could happen to the
- 27:02Speaker 1: band was to head out under the road and play
- 27:04Speaker 1: the half empty rooms. It would be a signal to
- 27:06Speaker 1: the rest of the record buying public that the Clash
- 27:09Speaker 1: was no longer in ascent, but was instead on a
- 27:11Speaker 1: downward spiral. And this could not happen. So the Clash's
- 27:19Speaker 1: conniving manager got an idea. What if the Clash had
- 27:22Speaker 1: to cancel their tour but for reasons that were beyond
- 27:25Speaker 1: their control. What if they couldn't find one of their
- 27:29Speaker 1: band members, and what if that band member was indispensable.
- 27:34Speaker 1: What if the class is Joe's strummer went missing. The
- 27:39Speaker 1: plan could have been hatched in a split bunker. It
- 27:42Speaker 1: was that simple and brilliant. It went like this, Joe
- 27:47Speaker 1: disappears for three days. Management Meanwhile, Jin's up a bunch
- 27:51Speaker 1: of quick press. Joe's missing, Joe's dead. Sympathy pours in
- 27:55Speaker 1: from the fans. The band reaches a peak of popularity
- 27:59Speaker 1: as those first few undersold shows are canceled, and then
- 28:03Speaker 1: Joe miraculously reappears, and that fever pitch of interest in
- 28:08Speaker 1: his disappearance and sudden reappearance causes a huge spike in
- 28:11Speaker 1: ticket sales, bing Bang boom. But Joe couldn't hide out
- 28:15Speaker 1: in London. He was too well known there, so the
- 28:19Speaker 1: plan was to head to Texas, of all places, and
- 28:21Speaker 1: chill with Joe E, the hockey talk singer, who toured
- 28:24Speaker 1: with The Clash back in their early days and opened
- 28:26Speaker 1: one of their nights at Bonds. Bernie told Joe to
- 28:29Speaker 1: call when he got there, but the call never came
- 28:33Speaker 1: because Joe Strummer never went to Texas. Joe Strummer stood
- 29:00Speaker 1: in the middle of a cemetery outside Paris. At his
- 29:03Speaker 1: feet the final resting place of Arthur Rambeau. The poet
- 29:08Speaker 1: had been dead for nearly one hundred years, but his
- 29:10Speaker 1: spirit was very much still alive. It was there, in
- 29:14Speaker 1: the words of American beat poet Alan Ginsberg, who guested
- 29:17Speaker 1: on The Clash's song Ghetto Defendant, a deep cut on
- 29:20Speaker 1: the combat rock album. That album, which had just been
- 29:23Speaker 1: released at the very moment that Joe Strummer, the band's frontman,
- 29:27Speaker 1: went missing. Not missing like Bernie Rhodes had plotted. Joe
- 29:32Speaker 1: Strummer changed the plan and didn't tell a soul. Only
- 29:36Speaker 1: his girlfriend knew that he was here in France, wandering
- 29:39Speaker 1: around cemeteries, grabbing pints at the pub, and running anonymously
- 29:43Speaker 1: in the Paris Marathon. That's right, Joe Strummer, singer of
- 29:47Speaker 1: the Clash, running anonymously in the Paris Marathon, and somehow,
- 29:53Speaker 1: despite that, Joe Strummer's disappearance was no longer fake but
- 29:58Speaker 1: very real, just as real as the love that Combat
- 30:02Speaker 1: Rock was now receiving, especially in the United States, where
- 30:05Speaker 1: it cracked the top ten. But again, Joe didn't care
- 30:08Speaker 1: about the charts, never had and never would. He didn't
- 30:12Speaker 1: want to think about charts or about Combat Rock. He
- 30:16Speaker 1: was sick of the headache of leading the Clash into battle,
- 30:19Speaker 1: a battle that Mick didn't seem to want to fight anymore.
- 30:21Speaker 1: And he was sick of pissed off guitar players, junkie drummers,
- 30:25Speaker 1: ticket sales, record sales, record prices. Here in Paris you
- 30:30Speaker 1: could forget about it all. But back in London, his
- 30:34Speaker 1: disappearance was all anyone could talk about. Bernie's plan had backfired.
- 30:38Speaker 1: Ticket sales for the tour weren't increasing. In fact, there
- 30:41Speaker 1: were plummeting. Venues started canceling gigs. Bernie was pissed, The
- 30:46Speaker 1: Clash were pissed. Fans were confused. The New Music Express NME,
- 30:51Speaker 1: the biggest music paper in Britain, began a weekly Strummer
- 30:54Speaker 1: Watch column, anonymous tips poured in. Joe Stummer was on
- 30:58Speaker 1: safari in Southern Africa. Joe Strummer was fighting with the
- 31:01Speaker 1: Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Joe Strummer was a joke, just like
- 31:04Speaker 1: this column, and the joke was getting old. In Paris,
- 31:09Speaker 1: Joe wasn't a joke. He was a treasure. The small
- 31:12Speaker 1: beard had groan couldn't hide his identity for long. Every
- 31:15Speaker 1: French punk had a Joe Strummer sighting, but the French
- 31:18Speaker 1: fans were willing to keep his secret. Joe thought he
- 31:21Speaker 1: could disappear forever and live off baguettes, pints and Serge
- 31:25Speaker 1: Gainsburg musk, but that wasn't a reality his management or
- 31:30Speaker 1: his band were going to accept. If Joe stayed in Paris,
- 31:35Speaker 1: if the Clash were forced to cancel the US tour,
- 31:39Speaker 1: there would be no money, and no cash to feed
- 31:41Speaker 1: the constantly starving beast of a rock and roll machine
- 31:44Speaker 1: that their business become, They'd go bankrupt, They'd be finished.
- 31:49Speaker 1: The Clash tried to keep going without Joe. Ticket sales
- 31:52Speaker 1: for a warm up gig in the Netherlands were sparse.
- 31:55Speaker 1: Dutch punks wondered whether it was worth forking over their
- 31:58Speaker 1: hard earned cash to see only three of the only
- 32:01Speaker 1: band that mattered, and the promoter was on the verge
- 32:03Speaker 1: of canceling the concert. And then he got a call
- 32:07Speaker 1: from Paris. It was a Dutch journalist on assignment in France.
- 32:13Speaker 1: Joe Strummer is here, he told the promoter in Paris,
- 32:16Speaker 1: I just had a pint with him. The promoter hung
- 32:19Speaker 1: up the phone and called Bernie Rhodes, and Bernie sent
- 32:21Speaker 1: a heavy to Paris to find Joe, grabbed Joe and
- 32:24Speaker 1: bring Joe back to the clash. The heavy was a
- 32:28Speaker 1: guy named Cosmo Vinyl, an old London punk rocker who
- 32:31Speaker 1: was friends with Joe and whose ex girlfriend Pearl Harbor
- 32:34Speaker 1: was now dating Joe's bassist Paul Simonon. But when Cosmo
- 32:38Speaker 1: arrived in Paris, the city clammed up. The people went
- 32:42Speaker 1: into protection mode. They didn't want their secret taken away
- 32:45Speaker 1: from them. They didn't want their new rock star exported
- 32:47Speaker 1: back onto the rock star hamster wheel. But Cosmo was persistent.
- 32:52Speaker 1: He found Joe drinking in a half empty Paris pub alone.
- 32:57Speaker 1: His gait was familiar, but his appearance was off. He
- 33:01Speaker 1: seemed skinnier than Joe Strummer, if that was even possible,
- 33:05Speaker 1: and he had a beard like a punk rock Fidel
- 33:08Speaker 1: Castro Cosmo put his hand on the guy's shoulder and said, hey, Fidel.
- 33:14Speaker 1: Joe Strummer turned around and saw his old friend. He'd
- 33:18Speaker 1: been found getting care. Every gig has to end, even
- 33:23Speaker 1: the disappearing kind. Joe Strummer gave up his ghost, finished
- 33:27Speaker 1: his pipe, threw his arm over his friend's shoulder, and left.
- 33:34Speaker 1: The Clash were back together and back on the road.
- 33:37Speaker 1: In that fall, Joe stood in the wings at Buffalo's
- 33:40Speaker 1: Rich Stadium waiting to go on stage, his head shaved
- 33:44Speaker 1: into a mohawk, camouflage pants combat boots, ready for battle
- 33:48Speaker 1: to come down. The Clash were opening for the who
- 33:52Speaker 1: one time Titans of the British rock scene. The first
- 33:56Speaker 1: opener was David Johansson, former frontman of the New York Dolls.
- 34:02Speaker 1: The New York Dolls pre dated punk rock. They were weird,
- 34:06Speaker 1: fast and dangerous, and now David Johansson was crooning reach out,
- 34:10Speaker 1: I'll be there, and trudging through a medley of British
- 34:13Speaker 1: invasion classics. David Johansson used to be a punk legend,
- 34:18Speaker 1: and now here in Buffalo in the Stadium, David Johansson
- 34:24Speaker 1: seemed more like a joke next to Joe Strummer on
- 34:28Speaker 1: the side of the stage, the Who's Pete Townsend nodded
- 34:31Speaker 1: approvingly at David Johansson at his tight leather jacket a
- 34:34Speaker 1: ridiculous headband. Pete Townsend looked like someone's dad dressed as
- 34:39Speaker 1: a punk rocker for Halloween. At the time, Pete was
- 34:43Speaker 1: pushing forty ancient in rock ears. Between Pete Townsend and
- 34:49Speaker 1: David Johansson on the bill that night was the only
- 34:52Speaker 1: band that used to matter because Joe Strummer had made
- 34:56Speaker 1: the decision the future was no longer written. The future
- 35:02Speaker 1: had written off the clash such disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan
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