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Diane Sare launches 2028 presidential campaign · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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Is it possible for an independent candidate to run for and succeed in becoming president of the United States?
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A few key points on independent or third party candidates who don't belong to the two major political parties, Democrats and Republicans.
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George Washington is considered the only president with no party affiliation.
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The last non-democrat Republican candidate was Millard Fillmore from 1850 to 1853.
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And the last third party electoral votes were received by candidate George Wallace in 1968, who ran for the American Independent Party and he won 46 electoral votes.
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Today in 2026, Diane Sayre has declared her candidacy for the 2028 presidential election.
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And by the looks of it, that election is going to have a very crowded playing field, not only with Democrats and Republicans, but there is quite a long list of independent candidates as well.
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Diane is no stranger to politics, though.
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She knows what it takes to get on the ballot.
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She has ran for the U.S.
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Senate in both 2022 and again in 2024 as an independent candidate.
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She ran here in the state of New York where ballot access has been deliberately made nearly impossible by tripling the signature requirements.
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And Diane remains the only independent or minor party candidate to successfully qualify in a statewide race, not once, folks, but twice through an all volunteer grassroots effort.
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And I just want to take a moment and you know focus in on that because I know what it's like to get out there, beat the pavement, and get those signatures.
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And uh the fact that she has done it to qualify for a New York statewide race, not only one time but twice, is quite the hurdle.
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Um moving on, she was born in Burlington, Vermont, raised in a Quaker household with a strong emphasis on music and social responsibility.
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She has worked closely with the late economist and statesman Lyndon LaRouche for over 30 years, engaging in political organizing, economic policy seminars, and advocacy for civil rights.
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She is a big proponent of reinstating the Glass Steagall Act.
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And for those of you uh who may need a little refresher on what that is, the Glass Steagle Act was a landmark law from 1933 that separated commercial and investment banking to help stabilize the financial system during the Great Depression.
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Uh basically it prohibited commercial banks from dealing in non-governmental securities, which are considered risky.
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It created the FDIC, and it aimed to just reduce uh high risk speculations and investments that were blamed for the 1929 stock market crash.
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So Diane Sayre, uh big advocate for reinstating that.
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Uh, she also actively participates in public discussions, press conferences, and educational initiatives.
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She has organized events involving UN diplomats, voting rights act cases, and cultural programs through her musical and political work.
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Her campaign messaging highlights three uh legs which I think are extremely important, which are number one, the integration of economic development, two, cultural enrichment, and three, moral responsibility in government.
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And I think uh for those of us who are listening, we can all agree that we definitely need to see more of that moral responsibility uh in all forms of government.
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Uh, key principles, economic reform, peace and international cooperation, civil liberties, and justice.
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Stay tuned.
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My conversation with 2028 presidential candidate Diane Sayre after this break.
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Welcome back, everyone.
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Joining me now is Diane Sayer.
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And as I mentioned earlier in the show, she has uh put forth her 2028 presidential campaign.
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And uh she's been certainly making a lot of waves and a lot of great points about the current state of affairs, both here in the United States and throughout the world.
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Uh Diane, thank you so much for joining me today on the show.
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You're welcome.
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I'm happy to do it.
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Glad to talk to you again.
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Yeah.
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Well, um, you and I met a few years ago, and uh I was just uh very impressed uh when I heard you speak about uh not just what was happening within New York State, but also from a more global perspective of where we are and potentially where we're going.
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Um, and it isn't necessarily a great direction that we're uh heading in these days, but I'm gonna start off uh for the listeners.
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Uh, you have announced your campaign for president uh 2028, and you have
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Have been endorsed by the LaRouche organization.
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If folks want to go over to LaRouche Organization.com, they can find out all about what that entity stands for.
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But in a nutshell, the political foundation for durable peace, the LaRouche Foundation talks about this unconditional sovereignty of each and all nation states.
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And then the second point is a cooperation among those sovereign nation states to promote a mutual benefit for each and every one of us.
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And I'm summarizing very broadly what it's about.
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So in your idea, your terms, tell listeners what the LaRouche organization stands for.
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Well, I'll I'll do my best.
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And I will say that I was endorsed by the LaRouche organization probably because I worked very directly with Lyndon LaRouche for the last 32 years of his life until 2019.
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And he was probably the greatest American patriot I ever met.
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He had such a profound understanding of the principles under which our nation was founded.
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And I think that's really important this year, our 250th anniversary, because there's a great deal of confusion.
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And unfortunately, people don't even read original documents.
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I was looking at literacy rates.
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Apparently, now in the United States, only 54 or 54% of Americans read below a sixth grade level.
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So that means they're denied access to the profound ideas in the Federalist papers, for example, which are very important right now to understanding how our nation should function, why the Congress has the power to declare war, not the executive, for example.
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I was just in a big discussion about that.
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Congress has been abdicating.
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So the point of the United States was that we defeated the British Empire.
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We defeated a system based on treating human beings like animals.
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Because what is what is royalty anyway, right?
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You're born.
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Why are the royal families?
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They all look funny because they're all inbred, you know.
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You can only marry people with the right bloodline, so you end up inbreeding and looking weird.
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Um, you're born to rule or you're born to serve.
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And in Europe at the time, not only were people oppressed because of their religious beliefs, but you were in effect a caste system.
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You're you could never do what your father, your grandfather, your great-grandfather had done.
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You could never get out of that.
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And so the people who came here had an idea that perhaps they could finally free themselves to be allowed to develop their talents to make their full contribution to humanity.
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And that was really the purpose of our government.
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And the conception that all men with a capital M, meaning all human beings are created equal, was true.
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So you can say, yes, um, women should have had the right to vote sooner.
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Yes, slavery should have been abolished earlier, and many of the founding fathers tried very hard.
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Franklin, Hamilton, uh John Jay, Governor Morris, others, and and they knew it was a process, but they also had faith that if you created the conditions to eradicate poverty, to elevate people, to maintain a high standard of culture of literacy, that these you could call them ugly childhood diseases of mankind would go by the wayside, and that the United States would have relations with others exactly as John Quincy Adams, who was both Secretary of State and then later president, um defined, which is not running around bludgeoning people.
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He said, seek not abroad for monsters to destroy.
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But the commerce, trade, uh we can trade with people who don't have the same religious beliefs, who don't have the same political system, but they might be brilliant in a particular area.
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We might be brilliant or have resources in another area.
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So there is great benefit to working together.
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And uh I think we we somehow have fallen into this old grating on the curve where the only way you can look good is if you bludgeon someone else into oblivion.
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That's really not true, and that doesn't cohere with natural law.
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It doesn't cohere with the way our universe was created.
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So since I had the benefit of working with LaRouche, I am confident that the economic policies that I would insist on being implemented would allow our nation to fulfill those principles.
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I think that's why the LaRouche organization has endorsed me, and I declared my candidacy so early, because people said, Why are you doing it now?
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Well, because I think unfortunately, President Trump is at the moment completely lost his way.
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I think there's, I don't know why, I suspect a great deal of pressure, fear of assassination, blackmail, who knows.
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Uh, he said he was going to be for peace, and we've had nothing but war.
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And then you look at the Democratic Party, you know, first they tried to give us a candidate for president Kamala Harris that no one had ever voted for, right?
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She wasn't on the ballot in a single primary, and she couldn't really speak in a coherent sentence.
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You know, so you have a president who's dysfunctional and you have no functional opposition.
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And I said, well, let me step forward, let me give voice to what a president should be doing in hopes that we can create the conditions where our nation can be successful now and make it uh to the 2028 elections.
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Yeah, and one of the uh things that you said, you did your own State of the Union address on February 25th, and you said the United States, under under the direction of an Epstein client, infested cabal of billionaires, an Anglo-Zionist appears to be intent upon starving the tiny island nation of Cuba into submission and is plotting to build fancy resorts and casinos over hundreds of thousands of dead Palestinian bodies.
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And this, what you said really stuck out to me for many points, uh, one being obviously the war that's happening right now between Israel, the US, and Iran.
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But um, this Epstein client-infested cabal of billionaires and Anglo-Zionists.
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I mean, let's talk about that for a second, because I would say to people first off, who say, why are you why are you starting your presidential campaign here in mid-2026?
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I would simply answer because it's all about money many times when you're dealing with political campaigns.
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And um, there are millions and millions of dollars that were raised in every presidential campaign, pretty much in history for the individual who ends up winning that campaign.
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Um, but you this Epstein client-infested cabal of billionaires.
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You know, we we fought this war to to leave the control of the British Empire, right?
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And to escape this colonialism.
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And here we are today.
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Have have we been successful with that, in your opinion, now that we're reaching our 250th birthday as a nation.
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No, and I I will say, look, the British and various truth, we didn't quite root out the that's why our nation, and I love that our founders said to form a more perfect union, as if they knew it was a process.
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And I would urge every American, take that personally.
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It's upon us to perfect ourselves, to perfect the union.
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So we had we had an Epstein class, if you will, it wasn't called that at the time.
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If you think of the Boston Brahmins or the people who ran the opium trade and the drug trade and the slave trade out of Boston in particular, and then in in the South, places like Charleston.
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So we had that infestation, but our nation was doing well.
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And when you had the World War II period, we had FDR, but Europe went fascist everywhere, right?
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Franco, Hitler, Mussolini, uh, Vichy France, um, and there were people who wanted the US to go fascist.
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They actually attempted to assassinate Franklin Roosevelt.
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Then they attempted a coup against him, which was defeated by Smedley Butler.
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Then they realized they could not destroy us that way.
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They had to get us to destroy ourselves.
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So what happened was the Tavistock Institute, the CIA did this project, MKUltra, Congress for Cultural Freedom, where they said we're gonna push drugs, free sex, and forget being producers.
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That's dirty.
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Blue collar work is dirty.
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You should be white collar.
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And we have a bizarre culture now today as a result where Americans tend to idolize people who figured out how to get rich.
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Now, if you get rich in this system, you're probably a criminal because the
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The system is so inherently unjust.
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It's not, you know, Elon Musk may be one of the rare exceptions.
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He actually invented things and built things.
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Um, and I'm not so sure about his morals.
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But, you know, he actually did build things.
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But you have a you have a huge class of people.
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And then you had this intelligence operation, which is what Epstein represented.
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And how do we know that they're running us today?
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Well, we just released three and a half million pages of files, and I forget 1800 videos and this and photographs, and they name a lot of people who committed horrible crimes against children, which I would say is the tip of the iceberg because they also changed the policy of the entire planet.
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That was the point in a way.
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Not one single person is under a criminal investigation.
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There's no grand jury.
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They let Hillary Clinton and Howard Lutnick come and just lie to the Congress.
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And the things that they said in answer to the questions were known to be lies by the documents that have been released.
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So why isn't this being enforced?
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And I fear that it's because so many people have been caught up in this.
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I've heard from various friends who've run for office that once they were asked by one of the major parties to run, they were invited to various events where lots of young women would be coming up to that.
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They want to ensnare you.
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They want to get a picture of you in a compromising position.
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And only will they allow you to be elected.
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So you have a class of people who are very corrupt, who have no love of humanity, who have no love of the United States, who believe that by virtue of their money and their power over people through black mail, that they can dictate policy.
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Yeah.
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So the Epstein files are extremely disturbing.
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Um there's more, you know, black ink on those documents uh than there should be.
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Uh, in my opinion, there shouldn't be any uh redaction, I think.
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Just let it completely all out uh in the open.
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And to your point about people who run for office being blackmailed with these honey pots, as they refer to them as you know, it really is politics is really a blood sport.
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It is a game where people are trying to get control over candidates and they're doing it many times, as you said, in in that way by putting them in a uh compromising picture position.
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Or you heard what Matt Gates said about the APAC fundraisers.
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This was horrifying.
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They give you a QR code and they send you to APAC.
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It's like being a cantaloupe at the grocery store.
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So you're wearing the QR code around your neck, and then you're running to schmooze with all of the pro-Zionist billionaires, and then if they like you, they scan your QR code and donate to your campaign.
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I mean, if that's not a modern slave auction, I don't know what is.
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Well, I I didn't hear that.
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Um, and that's very interesting.
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Um, one of the things that I talked about in the intro today was um all of these presidential candidate names that are out there now on both the Democrat and Republican side.
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Uh, there's a website track APAC, and they have pictures and they talk and they have the numbers of how much money was donated to each of these individuals' campaigns, uh, which I found interesting.
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And uh I guess I'm just gonna ask the question.
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I mean, why do you think APAC is probably I'll say one of the most powerful lobbying uh industries in the country?
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Why why do you think that is?
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Well, they do have a lot of money, but they also took advantage of the Holocaust, which was a horrible thing.
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And I think I don't know if you know the name Norm Finkelstein, whose parents both were in concentration camps, and he actually wrote a book.
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I think it's called the Holocaust Industry or something like that.
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He's been very vocal against the policies of Israel and the genocide and so on.
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So if you stood up against them, they just said, Oh, you're an anti-Semite.
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You support genocide, you're against Jews, which is not true at all, but they created that in hopes that people would be afraid of it.
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And I have to say that's the first thing they did against LaRouche back in the 1970s.
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The anti-defamation league smeared him as a violent racist anti-Semite cult leader.
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And people then they never know why.
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They never ask why.
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They just say, Oh, we just heard this terrible thing about you.
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And now that's not working so much anymore because thanks to social media, people saw the atrocities being committed by the Israelis against the children in Gaza against innocent civilians in Gaza living in tents getting bombed to smithereens.
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And so now it's not working.
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Now almost anybody who speaks out is called anti-Semitic or accused, they're calling Tucker Carlson anti-Semitic and Marjorie Taylor Green and all kinds of people.
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No, we're speaking against crimes against humanity.
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So I think they got that kind of power, and then just the sheer amounts of money.
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I do think that APAC should be forced to register under Farah, you know, of their foreign lobbyists.
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They really are, and they take money from people of other nationalities, mainly Israel, and that's against the law.
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Foreign countries are not supposed to meddle in American elections.
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It's against the law to give money to campaigns.
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Yeah, that was one of the things that um JFK John Kennedy uh did uh was he was pushing for um the APAC organization, which I believe was at the time under a different uh name, but he was pushing for them to be registered as a foreign influencer, and um, you know, we all know how that story ended.
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Um yeah, so um, so here you are.
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Um you have been, you know, very open about your thoughts on this war that's happening right now.
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Um U.S.
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Israel um in particular, what they have done with Gaza.
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Uh there has been talk of building uh a vacation resort type area along the Gaza shore.
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You know, is this in your opinion more a war of um that's being fought that isn't necessary and it's not being fought for the right reasons?
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Sure.
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I mean, first of all, it never had to happen.
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I think the attack of October 7th, I'm reading something right now by a colleague on Netanyahu's at least foreknowledge, if not encouragement of the October 7th attacks, which is scandalous, really.
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And that's why, by the way, a lot of the family members of the hostages were so furious with the lack of investigation into October 7th.
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Um so the whole thing is a fraud, never had to happen.
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There should be, in my opinion, a two-state solution where the Palestinian people have the right to self-determination and sovereign.
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They're not dependent on Israel to how much water they can have in a day or how much food.
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Yeah, so some have argued though that a two-state solution is not possible because of the thousands of years of uh hatred and war between these two peoples.
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Um, so you think that a two-state solution is possible.
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I think that's probably the only possibility right now.
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I know there are many young people, both Israeli and Palestinian who think they should have one non-apartheid state, but I think after so much blood has been shed, you probably have to start with something based on the 67 borders.
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You you have to recognize a Palestinian state with equal rights.
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Get that done first, in a sense, perhaps down the road, you would end up with one non-apartheid state, maybe, but I think if we don't recognize the legitimate rights of the Palestinian people to have a nation and to have sovereignty, um you can't go there's not much that can be done after that.
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And I think it's possible for large nations, the US, Russia, China, to provide security guarantees for both sides, so that people could relax and get to the business of building and rebuilding.
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Okay.
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Well, you know, there is um so much, you know, in the news now, and it it's interesting because the No Kings protests that have been happening, uh, there's been a few now.
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Uh there's been quite a few um Palestinian Palestinian flags um at those protests.
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Um I don't think I've seen one protester with an Israeli flag.
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Um I've I've walked through uh a recent No Kings and you know, was able to view that with my own eyes, and I haven't seen it.
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Um do you have any?
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Thoughts on to why that might be.
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Is it just we are all now to pick a side?
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You're either pro-Israel or pro-Palestine.
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Well, I think that most people are horrified by what Israel is doing.
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Uh the last figures I heard is something like 60% of American Jews believe Israel is committing war crimes.
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40% of American Jews believe Israel is committing genocide.
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So you can see a lot of people won't be wanting to walk around carrying an Israeli flag.
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Um, you know, there's I think people carry the Palestinian flag in solidarity with the injustice.
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As far as our elected officials, I think that elected officials have an obligation to carry only the American flag.
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We're supposed to represent our nation.
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And I found it quite offensive, for example, when the Capitol in Albany put the Ukrainian flag up.
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We're not Ukraine, this is the United States.
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Uh, and we are supposed to have just relations toward all, just as we're supposed to respect our citizens equally.
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All right, that is a great point that I fully agree with.
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I recently watched an interview on a Pakistani television show titled World This Morning.
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And it was an interview with the president, president of the Schiller Institute, Helga Zepp LaRouche, who is uh Lyndon LaRouche's wife.
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And uh she had some interesting things to say about what's happening right now in the war with U.S.
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Israel against Iran.
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And she said the old order is completely collapsing.
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Uh it is time to overcome colonialism.
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And it is time to put in bold ideas of joint development.
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And much of what she said echoes your platform, Diane, um, in your run for president.
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So tell us a little bit more about what I just mentioned that Helga talked about in this interview.
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Good.
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Well, it's perfect you're asking this because as I mentioned, I just got off the phone with someone who lives in Sweden, was born in Iraq, and has family members in Iran, and he's working uh with China on the Belt and Road, and he described the various negotiations carried out by China with Saudi Arabia and Iran, and as you probably are aware, it was the Chinese that brought Saudi Arabia and Iran back into normal diplomatic relations, which thank goodness they did that because it created a problem in terms of blowing up the whole region for the Israelis uh in particular that that Iran and Saudi Arabia restored cooperation.
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Now China will benefit immensely through trade and development with these countries.
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But we could have done that, and I would really like to remind people that Iran was a very important ally in World War II.
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They were the transshipment point for a lot of the weapons that were being sent to the Soviet Union to defeat Hitler.
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And there was a very important meeting of FDR Stalin Churchill in Tehran, in in the in the capital of Iran.
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Then later it was Eisenhower whose Adams for Peace program, the idea that rather than nuclear weapons, people have a right to nuclear energy, and think about how much more stable the whole Southwest Asia would be if nations were working on nuclear power so that petroleum was not a bottleneck of everything, and that they had diversified economies, it would be much more stable.
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So that was Eisenhower.
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So somehow we completely changed our policy.
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The Chinese are merely doing what the United States would have been doing if we continued in the direction that Eisenhower was moving, to the great benefit, I would say, of the United States if we um developed full-set economies in all of these nations.
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I would like to tell people Africa is the growth point of the future.
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They're gonna have 2.5 billion people by 2030 or 2050 in Africa.
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If we were smart, even merely looking out for our own interest, we would say it's in our interest to partner with these nations on building railroads, building power plants, building water management because you're gonna create an enormous market for American goods.
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Now, that would require us to produce things.
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That now means they want to have modern agriculture.
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They estimate that they need 75,000 tractors.
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Well, what about John Deere and Caterpillar?
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If we were trading with them, we could produce, and and so what you see is this idea that we're producing all these horrible weapons of mass destruction and death and killing, and we say, well, it's to keep the military industrial comp.
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We could make as much money doing things that benefited mankind.
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And there you see it's not even really about money, it's about a horrible outlook again of man.
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Do you think human beings are animals or do you think human beings are human?
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So when we talk about developing the world, this is not welfare.
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Some people tend to think, oh, we're just giving money.
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No, this is not welfare.
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This is a mutual, the Chinese call it win-win cooperation.
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John Quincy Adams talked about, you know, equal uh and and George Washington and his farewell address, beneficial trade with all nations.
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Uh, that it would be of great benefit to us.
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And frankly, I think if we were working on building high-speed rail and advanced infrastructure with other nations, we might look inward and say, why is it that 75% of our dams are about to collapse?
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Why do we have I um had to write a speech while I was on the highway from New York to Washington, DC.
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And uh someone else was driving.
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There were so many potholes.
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I couldn't uh, you know, I just couldn't keep my hands on the keyboard.
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I couldn't move the cursor.
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It was really ridiculous.
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And you're thinking we're gonna have a defense defense really war budget of 1.5 trillion dollars.
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We're now paying over a trillion dollars a year in interest on our national debt, but we could not be bothered to do things that improve the quality of life for the American people here at home.
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So this idea, and it was the American.
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American system economists Henry and Matthew Carey who demonstrated that when we have a commitment to a high standard of living at home that raises the standard around the world.
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It's the reverse of free trade, right?
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Where you want to lower and compete with the lowest common denominator.
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Yeah.
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Well, no, so that is an excellent point.
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And that's where I want to focus now is I want to come into America right now.
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People are unable to afford groceries.
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You wrote in your State of the Union address that the greatest amount of personal death death in history, close to 1919 trillion dollars.
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The average American household is carrying 105,000 in debt.
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That's the average household.
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And you know, we have 25% of all student loans are in arrears.
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We have a problem with uh people not having any shelter.
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We we have a country that is really in shambles, and here we are, and we have trillions of dollars budgeted for war efforts that don't affect or create a better way of life for us here.
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It doesn't make the grocery store more affordable, it doesn't make the gas prices more affordable.
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So I want to ask you, what is your idea on how to organize an economic recovery in the United States to fix this mess that we're in?
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Great, and uh this is so important, and I want Americans to feel confident that they can say this because some academic schmuck will always tell you, no, you don't understand you have to blah blah blah.
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No, we don't.
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Uh, it's very common in a sense because the mistake that's happened is people equate economy with money, and money is not the metric.
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Why do we have an economy?
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What was Alexander Hamilton working on?
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It's to serve the population.
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It says in the preamble of our constitution, the general welfare.
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So that means it's physics, it's not money.
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And that means we have to take the bubble, the idea that you use money to make money, which came in when Nixon decoupled the dollar from the gold reserve standard, because then up until that point, we had fixed exchange rates.
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So if someone in Peru got a loan in dollars, they would know that 25 years from now, they would owe that amount of money plus interest, which meant they could plan on building major infrastructure, or it was stable.
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Once you introduced floating exchange rates, you had people like George Soros who could just gamble against currencies.
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So you could say, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna exchange my dollars today for Deutsche Marks, and then I'm gonna reverse that 10 days from now, and I'm gonna, and if you're if you borrow, you can even borrow into it, right?
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And then you just keep the profits.
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So you have people making enormous amounts of money by speculating on other people's money.
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Now, meanwhile, what traded hands?
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Nothing.
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So we have a situation now where we have 2.4 quadrillion quadrillion.
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That's even an unimaginable amount bubble of obligations on these crazy kind of speculative bets.
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I'm saying rather than go into a chaotic collapse, why don't we just write off a huge amount of this?
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You're gonna have to go through these books, you're gonna have to do a kind of bankruptcy reorganization and just say, you know what, the bets that people are placing on how long Caroline Levitt is going to speak at a press conference, and we literally have people playing the market on that while people are starving to death and can't pay their medical bills.
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We're we're not gonna honor that.
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Sorry, we're wiping that off the books.
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We're not honoring that.
44:08
And you have to reinstate the old FDR era glass-Steagall bank separation, right?
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Savings and loan banks don't gamble, they don't use your savings account to play the markets, they do small business loans, mortgages, the old days when I got my first savings account with the money I had in a little yogurt container saved up from Christmas, and I think I was 10 years old, and I went to the bank with my 71 dollars and 49 cents.
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I got 5% interest on my savings account right now.
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You have to pay the bank for the privilege of them getting to gamble with your money.
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It's absurd.
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So separate the banks.
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If people want to speculate, it's a free country, they can speculate, but they don't get a money back guarantee on the taxpayers back.
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Now, when you take all that money out, you are gonna have a correction.
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The markets are gonna drop people's retirement, you're gonna see a collapse.
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It won't be bottomless, you'll see a collapse.
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And that's why Glass-Steagall and bankruptcy reorganization has to go along with nationalizing the Federal Reserve.
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We need a national bank because you will need to bail out certain things, right?
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We should protect people's pension funds.
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We should protect the local police department or you know, if they had money invested in one of these crazy things, you know, you want to protect that.
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So there are some things that should be bailed out, but not the speculation.
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It's those things that actually contribute to the decent standard of living.
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And then what you have to do is you have to invest in those things that will allow us to be more productive.
45:56
You literally have to increase man's power over nature.
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This is where the environmentalist movement has done so much damage.
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What do I mean?
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Well, how about transportation?
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How much wasted human labor time is spent in traffic jams?
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Right?
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Or your car, your tire falls off in one of the potholes I was mentioning, right?
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That's a waste.
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That's a loss, you know.
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So if you improved your transportation, if we had high-speed rail trains that go 300 miles per hour on average between our major cities, what does that do?
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If we had fusion power and fission for now, we need much more nuclear power.
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What is that?
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It's high temperatures.
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So it means you can reprocess all kinds of things.
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They have something called a plasma torch, where literally the heat is so great, you can put anything through it and it will get broken down to its original elements.
46:59
Wow.
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Yeah.
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So things we consider waste like the landfill in New Jersey, you could have people fighting over the landfill, right?
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I want that because I'm gonna reprocess it and I'm gonna sell all those raw materials.
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That's the human mind that that, and this is what Hamilton also understood about credit, what people today call debt.
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Debt in and of itself is neither good nor bad.
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What's bad is debt that causes you to increase your debt.
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That's not growth.
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Debt in the form of credit, where at the end of your process of that, for example, you pay, you go into debt to build a national rail grid or to build a major water project or you know, a power plant, those things tend to pay for themselves many times over, but it's in the future.
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So what Hamilton said about that is that a national debt, he said is a national blessing if it carries within itself it the means for its extinguishment.
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And that's your metric, really.
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Does your investment contribute to increasing the power of your workforce to be productive?
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And what you would find doing that is then the purchasing power of the dollar.
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If you had a crash program, for example, to uh colonize Mars, which would require massive scientific breakthroughs.
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You think about what we got when we went to the moon, Teflon, Velcro, computers, microwaves.
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You have a science driver, it is likely that the purchasing power of the dollar is a result of all of these discoveries would increase even by a magnitude.
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So the income that a household gets today would have 10 times the purchasing power that it does now.
48:54
Okay, so let me ask you this.
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Do you think, and I've heard this argument, I'm sure you have as well.
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Do you think Trump is playing 5D chess?
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Because that seems to be the justification for all of his moves, all of his uh, you know, tweets and uh truth social and so forth.
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What are your thoughts on that?
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I would say the proof is in the pudding, because what I'm talking about, you can measure a physical benefit.
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If you look at the result of Trump's policies, there is no physical benefit.
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We have thousands of dead people around the world now in Iran and Lebanon and Gaza, he didn't start that.
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That was under Biden, but uh nonetheless.
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Uh and what's what's happening to Americans?
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People can't afford to buy a house, the price of gasoline is exploding, the price of food is exploding.
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So by a measure that you experience in the real world, his policies are a failure.
49:57
And I'll tell you the tariffs, people don't understand we're
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Going to tariff this nation.
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Well, who pays the tariffs?
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If we exactly so the farmers are just about bankrupt.
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And it's see, it was one thing when we had tariffs to protect an industry.
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Like if we were trying to actually create a fertilizer industry in the United States, then you would want to put a tariff on people sending us fertilizer because you'd want to invest that in the fertilizer company in the US.
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We're putting tariffs on things that we are not even beginning to produce in the United States.
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And then the people who import them are the ones who pay.
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So when we say we've made all this money from the tariffs, well, guess what?
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Hi, that was paid by you.
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You American tax, you paid for those tariffs.
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So don't say that's a great gain.
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They might have well as well have just charged you more.
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Um it's really false advertising.
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It is uh not what people think at all.
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Yeah, and you know, this leads me to my next question then.
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Uh, you know, we have two major political parties here in the United States.
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We have the Democrats and we have the Republicans.
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And um, the only person that really got close running as an independent uh for president was back in 1992, Ross Perot received 19% of the popular vote.
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Uh, you were running as an independent candidate.
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Uh I would say today that the independent party, which really is not a party like a Democrat or Republican Party, but is the largest group of voters.
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Um I myself am an independent.
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Uh, you know, I think that what I've seen over the years with the Democrats and Republicans is the uh two wings of the same bird, I'll call it.
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Uh, and there just seems to be this pitting against of one party against the other, and vice versa.
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And uh I just don't think that that is beneficial if we are to survive for another 250 years.
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So you're here on the scene.
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Uh it's mid-2026 that we're having this conversation.
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Uh, you know, where do you see and how do you see the road ahead for you over the next you know, two plus years?
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Thanks.
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Well, I think George Washington would wholeheartedly agree with you, as he said in his farewell address.
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Warning about the parties.
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You know, uh, it's very hard to tell.
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Uh, I think that for sure there's no such thing as status quill.
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We are in an unsustainable direction right now.
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So things are going to either get very, very much worse quickly, or we're going to reject that and things are going to get very much better.
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We could see a radical change.
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You know, I have the challenge being uh shadow banned and not even when I got on the ballot in New York, I wasn't allowed in the debates, right?
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So we have the challenge to reach people, but I'm finding enormous openness to my ideas, and I'm hoping that people will become more inner directed, not looking over their shoulder to see what's approved in the mainstream media, but taking a stand for reality.
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And I think the conditions of crisis that we're facing will cause more and more people to do that.
53:33
Great.
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Yeah, I think everyone needs to really stand up and quit trying to be so with the in crowd and affiliating themselves with a party that is absolutely not set up for their benefit, and is really set up for the benefit of the people who are grifting and making money with inside the party.
53:52
Uh and on that note, where would where can folks find you?
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I know you have a social media and an internet presence.
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Give us the rundown on that.
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Thanks.
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Great.
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Well, my website is SAR, S A R E F O R President, Sair for President.com.
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You can find me there.
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I'm also on TikTok, X, Instagram, Telegram, YouTube.
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Um, so I can be found on all of those platforms as well.
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Most of them are my name, Diane Sayer or Sarah for President.
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Yeah.
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And uh I would really encourage everyone who is with an earshot of this uh podcast to get out there and take a look at all of the great articles and thought-provoking articles that you have posted on your website as well as uh interviews.
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I know you've done a couple of Zoom interviews with guests.
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Um can anyone join in and be a guest or a listener on those on those shows?
54:52
Sure, most of them are live streamed so people can listen on YouTube, and sometimes actually we're starting now a really fun process with independent candidates.
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So if you're an independent candidate running for office, particularly Congress, please reach out to me because we now have candidates from I don't know, a couple dozen states who are participating in dialogue with retired military figures and whistleblowers and others, and uh I'm actually very optimistic about the process.
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Yeah, and I think it is uh a long road ahead until the 2028 election, but I I think there's a lot of groundwork to be done, and that takes time, as you and I both know.
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Yes.
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All right, that's right.
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Um, any final closing thoughts for the listeners.
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Uh we have to have faith.
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You know, it's a real challenge because you don't want to harden your heart when there is horrible suffering going on.
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So you have to feel that, but you also can't allow it to color your attitude.
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Uh pessimism comes from inside.
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If you're pessimistic, it's probably because you decided that you were no longer going to fight.
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And I think that's not acceptable.
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Uh, and I also fundamentally believe that human beings are good, and I believe that um the creator of the universe is good.
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If you look at the order of nature, it is beautiful and it is ordered.
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And I think that actually gives great strength to uh those of us who will stand for true principles.
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So there's no reason to give up, even if it looks quite bleak.
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Uh, I don't think that's necessarily where we're headed.
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All right.
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Great thought.
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And I too believe that we have a country that is worth saving, and I encourage everyone to get involved and speak up and stand up.
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And Diane Sarah, thank you so much for joining me today on Unleash the Political News Hour.
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I'm Mayor Deb, your host, and until next time, everyone, be good to each other and God bless.