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Trent's Back, Weekend Recap with Super Bowl 60 set, Scott Dochterman talks College Football & Hawkeyes · The Lunch Rush with Trent Condon

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  Hi, good afternoon. Welcome Miller and Condon on a
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  Monday. The Iowa Sports Radio Network
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  back at it for the next 6 hours. Appreciate you starting that
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  period of time here with Trent Condon and myself.
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  Ken Doors, we will take you until 2:00.
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  Here's what's coming up on our program.
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  Just a couple of guests joining us here today.
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  Scott Docman will be the first. He's of course rights for the
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  Athletic. The Athletic turned 10 years old
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  yesterday, wasn't sure it was going to survive when it first
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  launched, but it didn't. It's grown and it's better than
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  ever. So we'll do that and a couple of
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  other topics with Doc coming up here at the bottom of the hour.
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  And then at 1:00, starting off our second hour, we'll be joined
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  by Bill Seals, Iowa State conversation.
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  The men are off until they don't play until I'm with Thursday,
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  Thursday, Colorado on Thursday 6:00 tip.
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  I plays Wednesday and the Iowa State women they also play
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  Wednesday. But we got a lot of topics with
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  Bill Seals is he had an opportunity to talk to the new
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  head football coach. Not new from December but we'll
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  pick his brain on that. Coming up here at one O Clock
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  and just bands are back and forth till 2O clock when we turn
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  things over to off the bench with Lucas and Sean back from
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  vacation all tanned, ready to roll.
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  How are you? Doing well.
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  It's quite a, quite a change getting back here on Friday
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  night, but yeah. Now walk through the jet way
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  when it hits you. It hits you the.
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  Plane door opens and walking. It was like 10:30 or so.
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  When we got to the vehicle, it had it warmed up, but it's still
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  it was chilly getting there and quite a change as we walked back
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  into this after being in Mexico for a week.
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  But great time. Celebrated my buddy's 50th
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  birthday, had fun there. And then the final two days,
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  everybody departed. They came there a couple days
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  early. So just tearing myself for the
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  last couple of days, which is really nice.
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  Yeah. Having a couple of days
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  together, so good vacation recharge ready to go.
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  And yeah, got to watch the Bears game.
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  Did you see it live? Yes.
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  Yeah, at the one of the bars there at the at the resort and
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  very disappointed had to. Certainly had some ups and
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  downs. I mean, unbelievable, right?
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  The Caleb Williams play will live forever.
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  Unfortunately, they couldn't seal the deal and finish the
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  job. But that's that's not on the
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  quarterback. That's on #2 Moore, who's quit
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  running the road. That's how I saw it anyways.
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  So we do have our Super Bowl all set.
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  It's the Seahawks and the Patriots, that which was a
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  massive, massive price before the season started to just name
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  the finalists. But that's what we've got.
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  Like it or not, we've got one game left and that's what it
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  will be. Point spreads, 4 1/2.
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  Right now, Seahawks are 4 1/2 point favorite over the
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  Patriots. We'll see where that number
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  goes. Obviously, a lot of basketball
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  between now and then, including a massive game tonight in the
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  big Oh yes, Arizona, BYU. Jeez, buckle up for that one.
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  That should be outstanding television.
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  But let's recap the games from yesterday before we move on and
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  departeau and Hawkeye and Cyclone related topics which
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  move the needle more than anything.
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  But so does the NFL. And the viewing numbers got to
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  be massive once we get these once they come out me either
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  later today or at some point tomorrow, just because that most
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  of the country could leave the house with with the weather that
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  that had been falling upon them. But look, give the Patriots
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  credit. They they did enough to win the
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  football game. Jared Stidham, Sean Payton
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  talked a good game or Sean Payton talked about Jared
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  Stidham having a good game all week long.
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  That didn't materialize, but it's on Sean Payton.
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  I mean, you got to kick the field goal there with a backup
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  quarterback. That wasn't Monday morning
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  quarterbacking. That was screaming at the TV
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  while it was happening. Denver did enough defensively.
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  Patriots got a really good defense.
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  We'll see where it goes. I don't have much hope for a a
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  lot of intrigue in the Super Bowl, but the Patriots one went
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  away from putting another Lombardi trophy in the already
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  overflowing trophy. Case, Yeah.
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  Not many people had this match up coming into the season with
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  the Seahawks and the Patriots. Was it 310 to 1?
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  I think I saw. Did you?
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  I think I saw 310 to 1. I had 151 Rams, Broncos.
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  Oh yeah. That left the mark.
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  Absolutely. Would have been one of the
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  biggest odd scores I would have ever hit.
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  But that's why I like to bet. That's how we bet.
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  And I lose more than I went. I don't have any.
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  Pictures. I'm done.
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  I I know. I'm licking my wounds.
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  So is this going to be anything that you're going to come back
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  the other way and how to? I've got my counts are empty.
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  I'm now waiting for for March Madness.
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  OK, and then the Stanley cop. Oh yo-yo.
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  But anyways, that's what betting's about, right?
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  You have fun along the way. And hopefully, I mean, I'm, I'm
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  not going to miss a mortgage payment or anything like that,
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  but I I don't like betting on games.
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  I love going for a big score and man, I thought I had a chance.
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  But anyways, it's the patriots. It was the conditions.
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  Stidham really looked like a backup quarterback who hadn't
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  played in in three years, which he hadn't.
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  And you can't blame the referees for anything.
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  It was on Sean Payton, in my opinion, and Will Lutz.
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  The the final field goal was tipped.
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  It was tipped leaving, leaving his foot.
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  That's off to the Patriots for making a play.
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  They got the job done. They advance and they'll
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  represent what you know, we thought when the playoffs
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  started, kind of AAFC. The couple of things you
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  mentioned, Stidham and he looked good early on, hit the deep shot
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  and like, all right, maybe there's something here after the
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  scripted plays, though, I'm sure the plays that they ran over, we
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  talk about this a ton. You could see.
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  And as you said, he looked like a backup quarterback.
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  You know, I didn't think. And the reason that I like the
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  Broncos, at least with the points is a step down from him
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  to and from Nicks to him. I don't think was as substantial
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  as a lot of people were making it out.
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  And I was vindicated, I thought for the first quarter and a half
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  and certainly before the fumble was feeling good about that part
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  of it. But you know, the other
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  component you mentioned the field goal and you yelling at
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  your TV, take the points, take the points in that spot
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  compounded with the weather situation.
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  Because I was sitting there at one point in the third quarter.
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  And I'm just saying to myself, myself, I thought it was
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  supposed to be snowing and the flurries were starting a little
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  bit. But like I thought this was
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  going to be a big impact. Well, we saw what it turned into
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  very quickly. Yes, very quickly it happened.
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  Did you realized, was that kind of part of it that this was
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  going to happen? And as the day went on, people
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  were saying it's probably going to hit in a second-half,
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  something like that, and it's going to be substantial because
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  I guess I just didn't realize what was coming.
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  But you also lived in Deborah, you know.
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  And when it comes in, it comes in very quickly over the
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  mountains, over the Front Range, whatever is they call it.
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  And I can I can't imagine trying to navigate I-25, getting out of
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  there and getting home wherever you lived during that.
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  But yeah, and it happens. And and you saw it just as the
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  deteriorating conditions as the as the game went on.
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  Broncos need another receiver in the worst way.
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  Courtland Sutton is not A1 receiver saying it all year
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  long. Injuries caught up with him, but
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  it's part of the game. Part of the game.
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  Patriots better team yesterday. Franklin gets scratched before
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  the game. Yeah, and then Brian Franklin's
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  first again. Yeah, first series of the game.
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  So they're down to no receivers for the most part.
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  Yeah, when he got Little John out there playing as much as he
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  was, OK, you're in trouble. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure.
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  Couldn't run the ball against the Patriots either.
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  And and. No.
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  This is obviously leading more Denver because you are a Bronco
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  fan, and there's obviously more Bronco fans certainly in this
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  market than there are Patriots fans.
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  I don't think there's any doubt about that.
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  However, that New England defense, boy, they're good.
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  They really are, and I give a ton of credit because Broncos
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  got a pretty good offensive line and Stidham was running for his
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  life a lot of time during that game.
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  We'll see if that they can make an impact against the against
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  the Seahawks, who got by the Rams in an unbelievably
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  entertaining football game. It really was.
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  I thought, I thought that saved the day yesterday just the how
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  good that was The Rams doing what they did against what I
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  thought was almost an impenetrable defense that the
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  Seahawks bring to the field most weeks.
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  But at the end of the day, was Sam Darnold playing mistake free
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  football and can he do it again? He was outstanding and we have
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  used a lot of airwaves, Me making fun of Sam Darnold.
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  You saying that he's not as bad as you think.
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  He was tremendous. He was.
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  It wasn't just making the makeables and having Smith and
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  Jigba. Who?
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  So look, put that one hand in. Maybe his best catch was the one
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  out of bounds in the end zone. Yeah, I think that was his best
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  catch of the day. They threw the ball into the
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  stands. He is so good and just the
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  footwork that he has the ability, you know that they're
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  keen on him, they're bringing extra people and it doesn't
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  matter. He is just absolutely
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  tremendous. Can Gonzales handle him in two
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  weeks? No, Gonzales I thought was bad
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  at times. My pet had the interception but
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  yeah I don't disagree with him when maybe not his best day.
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  I don't know how you can cover. Him, I really, I don't think he
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  can. I don't think he can.
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  Is it one of those where you just he's going to get his let's
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  worry about slowing, slow down the run game, which wasn't great
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  either. And I think the Patriots are
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  going to be fine in that we're going to beat the other guys are
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  not going to beat us, Smith and Jake, but he's going to get his
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  you look the other direction. And kind of that's maybe the
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  path to victory for New England is going that direction.
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  But yeah, Arnold definitely was the story I thought in this one
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  more. Special teams woes for the Rams.
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  Been a bugaboo all season long. Got him again yesterday.
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  And having to throw Kyron Williams back there.
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  Just a fair catch. Just a catch.
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  Yeah, because people are talking about the last one.
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  You fumble at the end of the half just right and got it back.
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  Got it back. Still, that how that changed the
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  complexion too. Did you get a 12 yard return
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  even on that one? What that could have meant at
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  the end of the half Tremendous game and I was pissed off at
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  the. End of the I was too absolutely
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  the clock right but as. The rule of the law you just
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  stop the clock and as you see the referees widen the arm up
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  like. No, no, no, no, no.
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  I know as you know what, I'm with you 100%.
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  Bets are no bets. Just give us a chance, America.
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  You see this play, this one final gasp for the for the Rams
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  to make the catch, obviously, and go on or drop the ball and
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  go home. But we never got that
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  opportunity because the damn official made the right call.
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  How dare he, right? He screwed those football fans
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  out of one final play that we need to see.
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  I was also explained it last night to the kids.
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  There's only one more football game.
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  Don't remind me. And as I I was very happy about
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  it because both kids, both Ellen and Jack were very sad.
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  There's only one really good. They're becoming great parenting
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  trend. Yes, big, big football fans.
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  And I absolutely love that that they were disappointed last
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  night as it was coming to a close and they're going to bed
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  that this is it until the Super Bowl and we have a Super Bowl
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  party. Usually, you know, have some
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  friends over. They don't really watch that
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  game because they're playing with their friends.
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  So that's one that they were sad about.
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  And I'm like, all right, I think I think we finally got the hooks
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  into them and they're big football fans now.
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  That's outstanding. Hey, I had one question for you,
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  kind of. I know how much you love both
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  the Rams and the Seahawks. Was there a moment during the
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  Broncos game that you were? In a way, it's OK because Bo
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  Knicks is not coming back. There's no way that we're going
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  to get in front of this jugger. I know how your mind sometimes
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  works. I think I said so about week 17,
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  year 16, that this team doesn't have a prayer.
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  But but just your fandom and you're that close to getting to
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  a Super Bowl, I just wondered kind of in your mind if there
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  was ever that moment where he said it's fine?
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  Yeah, I was. I was.
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  I wasn't as downtrodden as I normally would have been.
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  So yeah, I guess maybe. Yeah, they kind of played
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  together. I didn't think that this team
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  had what it takes to win a Super Bowl.
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  But you know, if they would have got there, obviously I would
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  have painted my face. No, I wouldn't have, but
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  unfortunate. But Patriots, I just hope it's a
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  good game. That's all we ask, right?
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  We say the same thing every final game or whatever.
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  Just be a good game. Just give us something to go
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  into the offseason. Not a not a game that you kind
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  of tune out, whether it's the third period or the 8th and 9th
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  inning and it's a big just whatever.
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  Just make it a good game and that's all we ask for.
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  Hopefully we will get that. We shall see.
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  I don't give much. Don't put much stock into the
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  fact we're going to get a good game, do you?
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  I, I don't think at this point there's a whole lot that I can
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  put together with a big easy. Well, this is the game plan.
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  This is how it is. It's gonna be the Patriots
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  against the Rams way back in the first Super Bowl is free, right?
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  It's gotta be an incredible game plan.
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  It has to be, Boy, how did they do that?
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  It's gonna have to be something like that.
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  And then Drake May has to be a lot better.
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  He has to be a lot better than what he was certainly in Sunday.
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  Boys, a weapon with his legs. Yes, maybe it's that, maybe
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  that's the direction that you go and you're going to have to use
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  him and he's going to have to carry it 7-8 ten times in the
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  game. And some design runs, a lot of
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  roll outs doing those kind of things and changing because if
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  you just let Seattle pin their ears back, yeah, what was it, 43
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  to 8 or whatever? The Seahawks, Broncos.
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  Yeah. That was the one that the first
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  snap of the game went over Peyton Manning's head in for a
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  safety, and it was all downhill from there.
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  I mean, if I think the likelihood of a blowout is
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  certainly more likely was that. The last blowout we've seen, I
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  did. You know what, I I guess I could
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  have checked. No.
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  Last year? What was the final last year?
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  Well, the Chiefs, I mean. The Eagles.
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  The Eagles. Seemingly had their they were in
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  cruise control, right? Yeah.
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  Didn't did the Chiefs get the first possession of the
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  second-half? I thought that there was a
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  chance for the Chiefs to get back into it and very quickly
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  that went away. There was, I think we were maybe
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  even trying to talk ourselves into it.
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  I mean, just Philadelphia was dominant 40 they were. 4022 was
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  the final. A year ago and there was a late
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  score in that game too I think. Yes, we also had another Chiefs
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  blowout in the Super Bowl in Tampa after the COVID year.
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  Buccaneers over the Chiefs 31 nine Remember, Mahomes were just
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  getting beat up in that game. The.
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  Offensive line it was. Awful, absolutely awful in that
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  one. So there haven't been a ton.
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  We've been relatively fortunate, yes, absolutely.
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  We've seen the big comebacks and a lot of great games, but on the
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  paper right now does not feel like this is going to be 1 of.
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  Them No absolutely. Let's switch gears talk a little
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  basketball here. I was been off They will play on
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  Wednesday. By the way, our buddy Doctor
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  Stephen Fuller's got a chance for 2/2 of you Not Now to win
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  tickets to go see the game coming up here on on Wednesday
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  night is that's a 7:00 tip. Don't know offhand what the what
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  the tip time is for that one I. Think it's 7 but I could be.
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  I might may be mistaken. Certainly 6:00.
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  It's an early game, too. BTN.
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  And Iowa State plays Thursday at 6:00 again.
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  Really. Yes, So, so good.
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  We got a couple of early ones. I was been off.
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  I think it's I think that they're probably a good time for
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  them to be off. I do like the fact that
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  obviously how they're going into this seemingly, you know,
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  beating teams that they should have.
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  But we'll see if that Indiana victory that they were able to
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  to muster up here will continue going forward.
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  And then they came back, obviously had a nice win,
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  although it certainly wasn't as comfortable as the points Brett
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  said it was supposed to be. I was staying.
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  On the other hand, Trent, they were up 30 at the end of 20
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  minutes on Saturday against an Oklahoma State team.
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  So, I mean, does does TJ on one hand, let her say this?
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  Does he? Kind of.
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  They won the game convincingly, won by 13, but the 2nd 20 of the
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  final 20 minutes was not exactly Iowa State basketball, so, well,
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  they flexed early. The fact that he doesn't, he
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  does get to coach him up a little bit because you can't
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  play like that and expect to win more games.
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  I think it's perfect. I think it is too.
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  The bugaboo for this team has been slow starts.
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  All right? We, we conquered that dragon,
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  right? We, we got that one knocked off.
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  We came out in a hot start. Munchilovich was outstanding.
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  Good. God, he's playing as you know
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  what? Off we're we're knocking down
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  shots. We're doing exactly what we've
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  talked about with this team at a lot of different points.
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  I mean, there's some of those tomato Cam 9 conference games.
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  They got off to slow starts against awful teams.
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  So this isn't just against good teams.
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  This has been throughout the course of the season.
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  It's been a pretty major issue for this squad.
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  All right, we did that. We did exactly.
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  Yet we gave him 50 points in the second-half against Oklahoma
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  State. We know can score.
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  That plays an incredibly fast pace, but I think it worked out
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  about as well as you can kind of draw up a game if you will, to
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  still have a little bit of that carrot dangling out there.
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  This is what we need to do. Complete 40 minutes.
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  All the coaching cliches, you have that opportunity to do it.
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  I thought Oklahoma State was going to be live and they just
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  completely took it out of everything.
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  There was that one possession in the first half where Oklahoma
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  State got like 4 offensive. Readouts.
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  Unbelievable and they just couldn't hit anything right.
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  The defense was absolutely tremendous in that game.
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  I think overall it's something that you could and I, I didn't
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  watch the last, I don't know, 70 minutes cuz I got over to
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  Illinois, Purdue and I could not turn away.
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  I could not turn away so. So did you learn more about
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  Illinois or more about Purdue and the fact that maybe it's
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  Purdue? Were they overrated?
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  I I don't think Purdue's a national.
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  Championship. I don't think they are either.
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  I never thought they were. I didn't want to put them in
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  that slot. They're still really good.
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  Could they get to another Final Four?
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  Absolutely. But when at all I I don't see
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  that Illinois, I think the conversation is different and
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  though I still have concerns about them on the defensive end
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  of the floor and I know metrics pay them as a very good
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  defensive team. I still that would be maybe the
• 17:08
  bugaboo. But they can beat you so many
• 17:10
  different ways. And when you put together that
• 17:12
  kind of performance and you do it without one of your best
• 17:15
  players, you do it on the road. I just think yes, it said a
• 17:19
  whole lot more about the Illini and what they can be.
• 17:21
  Like Final Four or win it all. Final Four, Illinois, I have won
• 17:27
  a national championship in our lifetime.
• 17:29
  Final Fours, well, they won I guess what, 25 years ago with
• 17:32
  that group, but it's been a long, long time for them.
• 17:35
  I see them though in that mix. After that time tier though,
• 17:38
  definitely them. Like the Texas Tech.
• 17:40
  That tier of team that I really like is those not dark horse
• 17:43
  candidates, but that next tier that's definitely out of the
• 17:45
  group. Those two teams are definitely
• 17:47
  the two that I like the most. Remember I was telling you my
• 17:49
  accounts completely yes bankrupt.
• 17:52
  How's 80 to one on? I'll that's a good one.
• 17:55
  Now the problem is you got to get there.
• 17:57
  Cut down the Nets. You got to cut down the Nets and
• 17:58
  if you don't have anything left your account, there's no hedging
• 18:01
  opportunities even if they would make a deep run out of the
• 18:04
  Illini. But absolutely, just such a fun
• 18:06
  game to watch and that was just one of many.
• 18:09
  We had guys going off. You had Wagler, of course, score
• 18:11
  in the 40s. He's.
• 18:11
  So good. Debanzel, what he was doing on
• 18:14
  Saturday, just I don't remember a day where we had as many 40
• 18:18
  point performances like we did in that one.
• 18:22
  And overall it was just a great day on Saturday.
• 18:24
  We're talking about basketball for the state.
• 18:26
  How about Drake going on the road getting Drake?
• 18:29
  'S had Drake's playing. Well they are, yeah.
• 18:31
  It looks like they are figuring it out.
• 18:33
  I agree. Lot of new pieces had injuries
• 18:35
  early this season. It feels like it's all coming
• 18:37
  together for them. They beat Murray State in there,
• 18:40
  and Murray State never had a chance.
• 18:42
  Yeah. I mean, they were the better
• 18:42
  team on the floor the entire time.
• 18:44
  And Edinbury State, still in first place, goes to the McLeod
• 18:47
  Center and you and I gets a good, good win.
• 18:49
  And that one goes over 80 points.
• 18:51
  Got the win. Watch the last 10 minutes or so.
• 18:53
  That one, as I was on what CBS Sports Network I think had it.
• 18:56
  So I was watching that Leon Bond really really good in the game
• 19:01
  and the kid that they they brought in from NC State Dwarf I
• 19:05
  think is his name. Yeah, he's he's from Quebec,
• 19:07
  Yes. Yeah, good Frenchman.
• 19:09
  I know you like that one. He he's not thick, but he's tall
• 19:15
  and they don't have a whole lot of big bodies.
• 19:17
  He was really, really good, I thought, in the game and if he
• 19:19
  continues to play like that, they got a chance.
• 19:22
  They got a chance here. Well, they needed that because
• 19:24
  they've been going the wrong way.
• 19:25
  Quinn for Drake is is what a what?
• 19:27
  A player? He's building an all Valley type
• 19:29
  of resume this year. He's been terrific.
• 19:34
  We'll see where it goes. Hopefully they what did they
• 19:36
  play? They played.
• 19:38
  They played twice late. Late, right?
• 19:40
  Like Valentine's Day? Is it around there?
• 19:42
  The 1st. Game is yeah, the day after
• 19:45
  Sunday, February 15th, that one will.
• 19:48
  Be here or there. It's going to be in Cedar Falls
• 19:50
  and then the season finale will be in Des Moines.
• 19:54
  I mean, you can talk about positioning, huge possibility of
• 19:57
  what that's kind of going to look like for them.
• 20:00
  At least getting a bye right getting into the quarterfinals.
• 20:02
  I'm anxious to talk to Adam Emenecker tomorrow because it'd
• 20:05
  be kind of tough to last couple of weeks.
• 20:06
  Absolutely talk about bad basketball.
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• 22:37
  Right now Scott Dockerman is with us from The Athletic as
• 22:41
  they celebrate their ten year anniversary.
• 22:44
  Doc, thanks for popping on. Appreciate it as always.
• 22:48
  Good to speak with the Scott Dockerman.
• 22:49
  So where were you when The Athletic launched 10 years ago?
• 22:54
  Were you still with that? What was it called?
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  Land of Land of 10. Land of 10.
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  Yeah, Yeah. Is that where you were?
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  No, not quite. I was still with the Cedar
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  Rapids at that until August of 16.
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  And then I was with Land of 10 until early July of, of 2018.
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  And then I went over to the Athletic.
• 23:15
  So I've been there 7 1/2 years. So it's it's it's kind of flown
• 23:19
  by. It's, yeah.
• 23:20
  Wild ride. And I really didn't know much
• 23:23
  about The Athletic until like a year or so after it debuted.
• 23:28
  And, and it's it's certainly has taken off.
• 23:31
  I think we have 10 million subscribers.
• 23:32
  It's unbelievable, Doc, when it first launched, I, you know, I
• 23:35
  gave it, you know, this might last six months because you
• 23:37
  couldn't get a credit press credential.
• 23:39
  I think you were basically just in Chicago.
• 23:41
  Do I have that right? And then you added a couple more
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  cities and now I mean, it's, it's appointment.
• 23:47
  It's an appointment click every day just to keep up on it.
• 23:51
  Obviously the New York Times, you guys have taken over that
• 23:54
  sports section, which is great to see, see that you've expanded
• 23:57
  your reach. So what's next for the athletic
• 24:00
  doc? I mean, I'm not sure you're in
• 24:02
  those meetings. You just obviously stay in your
• 24:05
  lane. But what?
• 24:07
  What do you think's next? Well, that's a great question.
• 24:11
  I mean, you know, we're, I can say that, you know, I, I, I
• 24:15
  learn of things probably after everybody else has been told,
• 24:19
  but it comes to the, but I do think I know this is going to be
• 24:22
  a, a very busy year for us, no question about it.
• 24:24
  I mean, we cover everything. We have the largest sports staff
• 24:27
  in the world for we have 500 full time employees and we,
• 24:32
  we've got the Olympics coming up in Italy.
• 24:35
  I won't be there. We do have several people who
• 24:37
  are and, and then in the summer we'll cover the World Cup and I
• 24:41
  do think I am going to be giving my toe into that.
• 24:44
  So, and then, you know, last week I was in Miami for the
• 24:47
  national championship and we've got, you know, Super Bowl coming
• 24:51
  up. So we're, we're going to be all
• 24:52
  over the place. And as far as anything, any
• 24:54
  expansions, I, I don't know of anything like that, but I know
• 24:58
  we're kind of pivoting a little bit more to video and, and we're
• 25:02
  hoping to continue to grow. With that your main beat is
• 25:07
  college football and there was some news today on college
• 25:10
  football as the Big 12 championship game that had been
• 25:13
  kind of married to that noon Eastern slot 11:00 AM Saturday
• 25:16
  morning to kick off Championship Saturday is no more.
• 25:19
  The ACC now gets that slot meeting.
• 25:22
  The Big 10's going to have a stand alone window if you will,
• 25:24
  at least out of the major conferences at night on
• 25:26
  Saturdays and the Big 12 going to Friday.
• 25:30
  Good move for the Big 12 getting that spotlight.
• 25:34
  I think so. I, I think, you know, that was
• 25:37
  kind of vacated by the when the PAC 12 imploded.
• 25:40
  And the last one was a great game between Oregon and
• 25:44
  Washington when they played on that Friday night and got a lot
• 25:46
  of viewership. And, and I think that there is
• 25:49
  fertile ground there. And and this year, as we saw, I
• 25:51
  think I can't remember specifically which teams played,
• 25:54
  which tells you everything you need to know.
• 25:57
  You know, you know, I think it was the American was in that
• 25:59
  slot. And, and when, when you you see
• 26:03
  kind of the, the viewership for those games, it makes perfect
• 26:07
  sense because the Big 12 in that early slot got I think it was
• 26:11
  9.3 million, which is really good for the most part, but it
• 26:15
  could probably do the same or a little bit more on Friday night.
• 26:18
  And there you look at in addition to the ACC which got
• 26:21
  murdered by the, you know, by the Big 10.
• 26:24
  I mean, Big 10 had, you know, 8.3 million and they had like
• 26:27
  3.5, you know, so you want to get off of the SEC or Big 10
• 26:31
  challenge when it comes to going head to head.
• 26:34
  And and granted, you know, you're going to have probably
• 26:36
  the American eyes, I assume going to that night position for
• 26:40
  ESPN, but they're going to get the same number of views pretty
• 26:42
  much anyway. So I I think it's a good move
• 26:45
  for the Big 12. I don't think it's permanent.
• 26:48
  I think it's going to be a rotational type situation
• 26:50
  really. But still, yeah, I think it they
• 26:52
  may move back. You know, it's either noon
• 26:56
  Eastern Time kickoff on Saturday or, you know, even move around a
• 27:00
  little bit from there. But but for this year
• 27:02
  specifically, it's definitely going to be that Friday night
• 27:05
  window and I think it is a good move.
• 27:07
  I think it's a great move for the ACC because as you guys have
• 27:09
  said, they get buried caught up against the Big 10 and they've
• 27:13
  always got an A-Team there. It's usually Herb St. and Fowler
• 27:17
  do in that game or it had been in the past, but maybe maybe
• 27:19
  this year they went off of it anyways.
• 27:21
  Well, along those same lines, talk is about what what's coming
• 27:24
  in five years. If I would have asked you this,
• 27:26
  you know, when your career started, what's college
• 27:28
  athletics going to look like? One more the same?
• 27:30
  Not really not going to be much change.
• 27:32
  But if I'd asked you five years ago, what's on the horizon, I
• 27:35
  mean, it's just been from one extreme to the other, just all
• 27:38
  the changes, the the open transfers, the paying of the
• 27:42
  athletes, etcetera, etcetera. The expense.
• 27:45
  We went from no playoff to a college football for the four
• 27:47
  teams to now 12 teams. So, so point being Doc is it's
• 27:51
  it's it's ever evolving. How much more is there left to
• 27:55
  evolve and got your crystal ball still take a look at it for us,
• 27:59
  would you? Oh, wow, don't hold me to all
• 28:02
  this, but you know, this is off the cuff, but I, I think that
• 28:06
  there's two key areas that we're going to see some probably
• 28:09
  significant change. One is I, I would not be a bit
• 28:12
  surprised to see some sort of declaration of employee status,
• 28:17
  collective bargaining, something to that effect involving
• 28:21
  athletes. We we've seen too much chaos.
• 28:24
  It's, it's gotta change and I think it's, it's not so much the
• 28:27
  player movement and player pay as it is the players.
• 28:32
  Either they're too naive or there's not enough teeth to when
• 28:36
  they do sign a contract and then they try to get out of it, that
• 28:40
  needs to change because that's not real life.
• 28:42
  She can't do that in any other profession.
• 28:44
  So why would you be able to do here?
• 28:46
  And then people will say, well, they're not pro athletes.
• 28:48
  Well, they kind of are, but they're not designated as
• 28:50
  employees. So somewhere they're going to
• 28:52
  have to get that thing figured out.
• 28:55
  The other thing is I, I think we will absolutely see an expanded
• 28:58
  playoffs. You know, whether it's 16 or
• 29:00
  beyond, it's just a matter of when.
• 29:02
  And, and of course, the Big 10 in SEC could not come to an
• 29:05
  agreement on Friday, which was expected.
• 29:09
  You know, Tony Patini wants a larger field and saying he wants
• 29:14
  to try 16 right now. They're gonna go to 12 for one
• 29:17
  year. I I mean, it's gonna go to 16 at
• 29:20
  some point. It's just at what is gonna be
• 29:22
  the, you know the level of the, the the auto bids are out the
• 29:26
  door. That's not gonna happen.
• 29:28
  But are they gonna expand it from there and is Petiti gonna
• 29:31
  be able to get that kind of extraction from the SEC?
• 29:34
  That I do not know. So, but I do expect a minimum of
• 29:39
  16 team field if not more opportunities beyond that,
• 29:43
  whether it's wild card rounds or or an, you know, expansion to 24
• 29:47
  in five years. You mentioned Tony Battitti, the
• 29:50
  Big 10 commissioner came from television and that's his
• 29:52
  background, that one of the reasons that he wants the 2014
• 29:56
  field where the opportunity of playing those championship
• 29:58
  weekend events is for TV and more inventory and with it more
• 30:02
  money for his conference. I know you've been pretty
• 30:05
  outright in Tony Battitti not exactly being a speaking piece,
• 30:10
  you know, mouthpiece for the conference at the same level we
• 30:12
  see other commissioners. How would you grade him at this
• 30:15
  point in his time as a Big 10 commissioner and and going
• 30:18
  forward, what does he need to change in your mind to to get to
• 30:21
  that upper echelon and be considered a great commissioner
• 30:23
  of the conference? There's a lot, I mean, I would
• 30:27
  not. I mean, if you grade him on
• 30:29
  results, I mean the Big 10 just had three, the third straight
• 30:33
  national title in football. And and if that's what you grade
• 30:36
  them on, kind of like ads, if you grade them on that, I mean,
• 30:39
  then then you've got to say a for sure.
• 30:40
  Or if it's just strictly on field.
• 30:42
  But I don't think it is. I mean, as a commissioner,
• 30:44
  you've got more things to it tend to, I think he had to kind
• 30:48
  of take over from Kevin Warren, who was not a real successful
• 30:52
  commissioner. He made both, both organizations
• 30:55
  better when he left for the Bears and which is kind of
• 30:59
  funny. But he, I, I, I would say,
• 31:01
  though, that his grandiose ideas and plans have failed and he's
• 31:06
  failed to garner the kind of support that he needs to, to be
• 31:09
  successful in that, in this position.
• 31:11
  And that, you know, the, it's not private equity, but the UC
• 31:15
  Investments Fund, 2.4 billion dollars.
• 31:17
  He failed to, to rally everybody under his umbrella to, to join
• 31:22
  it. And that is a failure period.
• 31:24
  And then you look at, you know, the ideas and thoughts that he's
• 31:27
  wanted to do with the playoff. He's an unable and, and it's
• 31:30
  just a bicameral talk with him and Greg Sankey.
• 31:33
  He's been able to unable to sway him to his way of thinking.
• 31:36
  So that again, that's a failure. And I think even though he has
• 31:40
  some really interesting ideas, he's a big time ideas guy, but
• 31:44
  he's not very, you know, he doesn't didn't want to go out
• 31:47
  and talk very often. I mean, last week at the
• 31:49
  national title game, he could not leave the dais faster after
• 31:54
  an Indiana Indiana clinched. And so Ross Dellinger and I were
• 32:00
  chasing him down. We probably sprinted a good 60
• 32:03
  yards between a ton of people that take to get him and Ross
• 32:06
  kind of cornered him on one side eye to the other.
• 32:08
  And he talked for a minute 46 and I'm like, you know what, you
• 32:13
  know, what does this mean for your league?
• 32:15
  He won three straight national titles, you know, and I mean, if
• 32:18
  any time he's going to beat on your chest to say we're the
• 32:20
  best, do it now. And Lord knows Greg think he
• 32:22
  would. And he was just kind of watered
• 32:24
  down and and milk toast almost and then kept backing up and
• 32:28
  couldn't wait to get out of that.
• 32:29
  And I'm thinking, you know, and I talked to a couple other
• 32:31
  people connected to the Big 10 and they're they're mad because
• 32:35
  they're thinking this is an opportunity to really and you
• 32:38
  and a spillover effect by him not talking about how great the
• 32:43
  Big 10 is, is He's not talking about how good Iowa was or
• 32:47
  Illinois or Washington or USC. And that's how you get Iowa
• 32:50
  ranked 17th and Vanderbilt 13th or 15th, I'm sorry, and Iowa
• 32:54
  17th. And then you don't get Illinois,
• 32:57
  who won nine games, beat Tennessee in a bowl game, into
• 33:00
  the top 25. You don't get Washington into
• 33:02
  the top 25. And they blew out Boise State in
• 33:04
  a bowl game. That's what the the, the
• 33:06
  spillover is by your commissioner not talking.
• 33:09
  So I got to give him a low grade on this.
• 33:11
  He can't sell people on his ideas.
• 33:13
  And he hasn't he isn't representing the conference well
• 33:16
  in the public light. I mean, that's a, you know, if
• 33:18
  it wasn't for the national titles.
• 33:20
  I mean, it's a clear F. But you know, right now I don't
• 33:23
  give him much higher than a barely passing grade.
• 33:26
  Speaking of the the latest national title, you and Bruce
• 33:29
  Feldman and really good piece on how Indiana was built.
• 33:33
  And suffice to say it was different than most people would
• 33:38
  if you didn't follow them closely.
• 33:39
  Well, they just spent their money, right?
• 33:40
  They just went and got one portal shop after another.
• 33:43
  Not the case. Scott Doctorman.
• 33:46
  Yeah, it was a really interesting way to develop his
• 33:49
  team because he'd he'd worked within some of the holdovers
• 33:54
  that he had and and some of them left.
• 33:56
  There were two very prominent players, starters on this year's
• 33:59
  team that that left as soon as he got there.
• 34:01
  Khalil Benson went to Colorado, the right tackle and Lewis
• 34:04
  Moore, the safety went to Ole Miss And it was and both of them
• 34:08
  told me that wasn't about Signetti.
• 34:12
  It was just that, you know, they they were three and nine.
• 34:15
  Their coach got fired. And it's like, well, I want to
• 34:17
  bet on myself and see kind of what else is out there.
• 34:19
  And, and Signetti said, fine, go, go do it.
• 34:22
  But then when they wanted to come back, he welcomed him back
• 34:24
  And and Signetti said, look, it's a business decision.
• 34:26
  And I think he realizes it that everybody else tries to pass it
• 34:30
  off as we're family here. And no, it's business.
• 34:33
  I mean, you're paying them now. You want to win, they want to
• 34:35
  win, you do what's best. And I he was that way.
• 34:38
  And probably the most revealing one to me was Omar Ku Cooper,
• 34:41
  who you know, by mid season he was ready to transfer and then
• 34:45
  when was out the door and then he got a high ankle sprain and
• 34:48
  he had no market and he just figured, well, I might as well
• 34:50
  stay. And he turned into a really,
• 34:53
  really good player for Indiana. And probably, you know, I would
• 34:56
  say at minimum a second day pick in the draft.
• 35:00
  You know, when he, you know, whenever he comes out.
• 35:02
  So I think it is a really fascinating story.
• 35:05
  I think everybody should study what Indiana did and see how
• 35:08
  that can, you know, you could work in a your makeover, whether
• 35:12
  that's an Ames or, or, you know, Penn State or wherever, because
• 35:16
  I think there's a lot of lessons that can be taken from that.
• 35:19
  And now Signetti built a national champion at the losing
• 35:22
  his program in NCAA history. Did Kirk Ferrets maybe learn
• 35:25
  some things too? Because you look at this
• 35:27
  transfer hall and outside of what one guy who is a stopgap at
• 35:31
  defensive tackle with Stevenson, this is a lot of guys with a lot
• 35:34
  of years of eligibility building it certainly a different way
• 35:37
  than what we've seen in the past is, is this what I was playing
• 35:41
  is, is looking at Indiana and saying, hey, that makes sense.
• 35:43
  Guys that need to learn our system.
• 35:45
  It's not easy to do in one year. These multi year guys are the
• 35:48
  fabric and maybe the chance for I would to take a next step.
• 35:52
  I think it's it works more in parallel.
• 35:55
  This was Iowa's plan pretty much all along.
• 35:58
  I had side conversations with a few of the coaches and, and
• 36:02
  people there and, and part of what they were starting to
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  experience was when they were bringing in one year guys that
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  were pretty good. It was like by the time they
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  they started operating at a really high level, then they
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  left, you know, Mark Gronowski's case in point, but you know,
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  also guys like Jonah Pace and, and Jack Heflin going back and
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  then a few others. And they really like the
• 36:23
  trajectory arc of study someone like Zach Van Volkenburg, where
• 36:27
  he had a multiple years and you could see that growth.
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  So they figured that that was the best way for Iowa, which was
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  get some talented players who've proven themselves on the field
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  and get them to where you could have them for multiple years.
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  And and I mean, this Hall is is terrific, you know, and, and
• 36:45
  talking to a lot of people about this and, you know, national and
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  and otherwise, I mean, they people feel like this is a
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  really good use of Iowa's money and and, and really pushing that
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  button. So now will it parlay into more
• 36:59
  than nine wins next year? I don't know.
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  That's it's way too early to figure that out.
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  But but I do think that they did the right thing rather than just
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  go get, hey, this four-star wide receiver from Chicago.
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  Chicago is at Ohio State and barely played.
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  He's in the portal. And then he ends up with like a
• 37:14
  couple of catches and he's not nobody.
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  So I think they they understand production is more valuable than
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  potential. I think there's what, 55 to 6055
• 37:25
  hundred 6000 kids still in the portal, which is unbelievable.
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  Scott Dockerman from the Athletic Dock.
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  What? Well, US athletic subscribers
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  who've been there for 10 years or anybody that even if you just
• 37:36
  signed up, what, what have you got working on this week?
• 37:39
  Yeah, tomorrow the Big 10 schedule becomes is unveiled.
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  So I'm going to have two different pieces on that.
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  One's just kind of a headline hitting the the main topics.
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  But then I'm doing a ranking of 1 to 81 of the games to to see
• 37:53
  on this year's Big 10 schedule. You know, Ohio State and
• 37:56
  Indiana's number one and and Maryland at Purdue is #81 I can
• 38:02
  tell you that it's pretty easy to figure that out.
• 38:05
  But I'm doing that ranking and looking at the bowls because
• 38:08
  that's the next step in this CFP mess, which is whether they have
• 38:12
  an extension for one more year. And what does that mean for like
• 38:15
  the Alamo Bowl? Do they have to take a PAC 12
• 38:17
  team that's new into? The.
• 38:21
  Yeah, do you want Fresno State? No, you know, and then no,
• 38:25
  nobody else does either. So so I'm looking at that and
• 38:28
  I'm also it's it's draft season. So I've got me and Nick, Nick
• 38:32
  Baumgartner are doing a or two Brown mock draft this week.
• 38:37
  So yeah, we got a lot of things on my plate now.
• 38:40
  Football season is not over for me.
• 38:42
  Hell no, good, keep it going. And it just just an aside, I'm
• 38:45
  guessing if you would have done the the ranking of the Big 10
• 38:47
  games over the last whatever the 7 1/2 years that you were there,
• 38:51
  most years Michigan, Ohio State would have topped that list.
• 38:54
  But that has been knocked off its perch this year.
• 38:56
  And you got the right one, Doc Great stuff.
• 38:58
  Look forward to reading your pieces as we always do and are
• 39:01
  always grateful when you join us on Mondays.
• 39:03
  Thank you, Scott Dockerman. Appreciate it.
• 39:06
  Yep. Thanks for having me.
• 39:07
  Appreciate you. Good.
• 39:07
  To talk to you, Scott Dockman, as we check in on a variety of
• 39:10
  topics. We'll finish up our #1 Miller
• 39:12
  and Condon, you're with us on the Iowa Sports Radio Network.
• 39:15
  Hi, Miller and Condon, welcome back.
• 39:16
  Final couple of minutes, First hour of the program.
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  It's coming up at hour number two.
• 39:21
  Bill Seals will join us. Iowa State conversation to kick
• 39:24
  off the second hour of the program.
• 39:25
  So I don't know what you were doing on Saturday night.
• 39:28
  I know what I wasn't doing on Saturday night watching the
• 39:30
  Netflix special. The guy, I mean, I can't even, I
• 39:35
  can't even watch that because I get dizzy and nauseous and I'm
• 39:38
  like, Oh my God, I don't want to see a guy fall to his death.
• 39:42
  I saw the social media about it. Never got over there.
• 39:46
  Ella was over at, she was at a birthday party and escape room
• 39:49
  with her friends. So we had the house kind of
• 39:51
  where herself, Jack was out playing.
• 39:53
  And I think we just caught up on a show, something that we
• 39:55
  haven't done in a long time. But yeah, I saw the social media
• 39:58
  buzz about it. I I'm not scared of heights.
• 40:01
  I don't get too crazy, but I don't love them and the same
• 40:05
  kind of thing. Even the curiosity of it and so
• 40:07
  many people talking about I'm like, no, I'm good.
• 40:10
  I'm fine with that. And they had a was was Elle
• 40:12
  Duncan, who left from ESPN. She was actually in studio
• 40:16
  commenting on this. She was.
• 40:17
  So yeah, she's taking a role with Netflix.
• 40:19
  She's going to be their sports person.
• 40:21
  She's kind of the face sounded like maybe she talked too much.
• 40:23
  That was is. That right?
• 40:25
  So she did what Rich Eisen did with the NFL Network and what
• 40:28
  Dave Revson did with the Big 10. Good for her.
• 40:31
  Yes, absolutely. If it works out on Netflix, it
• 40:33
  should. They got money.
• 40:35
  Yeah, they do. And now they're getting into
• 40:36
  podcasts. Really.
• 40:38
  Oh yeah, Bill Simmons podcast now is over there.
• 40:40
  Well, it's still audio on Spotify, but yes, it is.
• 40:43
  Also, you see the video feed now and a bunch of them spitting
• 40:47
  Chiclets. The hockey, that's one of them.
• 40:48
  Yeah, how about that, by the way, in case you were wondering,
• 40:51
  Yes, should there Sanders, he's a Pro Bowler.
• 40:54
  How bad is the AFC? You got to stoop to chador
• 40:57
  Sanders. Our two next.