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Ancient Wonders of the Modern World: the Lighthouse of Alexandria · Ridiculous History

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  Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: the show, fellow Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so
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  Speaker 1: much for tuning in. Let's hear it for the Man,
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  Speaker 1: the Myth, the Legend, our super producer, mister Max no
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  Speaker 1: Red Light Williams.
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  Speaker 2: The Wonder of your own Heart.
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  Speaker 3: The eleventh Wonder. How many wonders are there?
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  Speaker 2: Agains of the ancient world.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know why I whipped out eleven.
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  Speaker 3: That is, it's just a number. That that's fun, fun
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  Speaker 3: for me.
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  Speaker 1: Noel, It's good to see you again. Man. I don't
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  Speaker 1: want to sound weird, but Jordan Noel Brown, I've been
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  Speaker 1: bullying and I missed you a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: It's okay, Ben, You're allowed to miss me. I missed
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  Speaker 3: you too. We've both been on what did It's true.
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  Speaker 3: It's true. The myths and the legends and the stories
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  Speaker 3: are true. We've both been on various adventures across this
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  Speaker 3: great wide world of sport. And now we're back reconvened
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  Speaker 3: talking about a lighthouse, A mythical lighthouse. Well that's a
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  Speaker 3: mythical I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: This is the thing. Okay, So we are returning to
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  Speaker 1: one of our favorite series, an ongoing exploration of Wonders
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  Speaker 1: of the World, and you and I and our research
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  Speaker 1: associate for this episode, Max, we just had a brief
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  Speaker 1: bit of banter that didn't make it on air where
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  Speaker 1: you and I were talking about how many wonders are
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  Speaker 1: in the world. I was wondering, Yeah, you were saying eleven,
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  Speaker 1: and I said that sounds like a good number. And
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  Speaker 1: then Max popped in and said, ah, guys, this is
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  Speaker 1: our series about the ancient wonders.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of course, yeah, and there's only seven of them,
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  Speaker 2: which is hotly debated because what makes a wonder a wonder? Well,
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  Speaker 2: one day we will attempt to answer that.
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  Speaker 3: Well, seven is also a fun number, meaningful seven goes
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  Speaker 3: to heaven eleven seven eleven. Anyway, they're related somehow.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you guys knows about the wrap.
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  Speaker 3: No, not me, never, not in a million years. Not
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  Speaker 3: my wheelhouse. I stay in my lane, and today my
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  Speaker 3: lane does involve our lane involves historical lighthouses or a
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  Speaker 3: historical lighthouse great indeed, the Great Lighthouse of Alexandria.
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  Speaker 1: So not our wheelhouse, but our lighthouse. We're going to
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  Speaker 1: start with diving into the context Okay, everybody knows the
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  Speaker 1: idea of a lighthouse, right. It's a big tower along
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  Speaker 1: the coast, right, And the idea is a lighthouse will
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  Speaker 1: let you, as a sailor, know when you were about
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  Speaker 1: to hit the dirt and.
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  Speaker 3: They run aground, as they say in nautical parlance.
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  Speaker 1: So there's this city called Alexandria, and it is named
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  Speaker 1: in a burst of humility after a guy who calls
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  Speaker 1: himself Alexander the Great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Alexander the Great founded the city which he
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  Speaker 3: named after himself and the aforementioned burst of humility and
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  Speaker 3: three point thirty two BCE after the start of one
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  Speaker 3: of his many war campaigns. He liked to start beef
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  Speaker 3: with folks, and this was beef with Persia, the Persian Campaign.
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  Speaker 3: He made it the capital of his new dominion, the
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  Speaker 3: Egyptian Dominion, and established a naval base there where he
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  Speaker 3: would wield naval control over the whole of the Mediterranean.
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  Speaker 1: Again, super humble.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, guy, probably fun at parties. I mean sure, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. I bet he was a good hang.
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  Speaker 1: I bet I bet he was a good like thirty
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  Speaker 1: five minute hang.
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  Speaker 3: I do imagine he likes to talk about himself a
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  Speaker 3: bit but after Alex, our buddy, not Alex Williams, who
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  Speaker 3: composed this theme, left Egypt. I love this, This is
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  Speaker 3: this title of a viceroy. I guess I'm always thinking
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  Speaker 3: of the Star the Star Wars thing. Wasn't there like
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  Speaker 3: a vice, Those little flabby mouth alien guys wanted the
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  Speaker 3: viceroys in the trade, the walcades and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 3: We got a roy here named Cleomenes, Cleominas, Cleomenes, I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna say, Cleomenes nail. He continued in the creation of
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  Speaker 3: this capital city of Alexandria in Alex's instead when he
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  Speaker 3: was off warring it up you know elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, famously beefy guy r Pal Alexander. Alexander dies
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  Speaker 1: in three twenty three BCE, and as you said, Noel,
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  Speaker 1: the viceroy takes control, and another viceroy shows up Ptolemy,
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  Speaker 1: and Ptolemy founds the dynasty. So this takes us now
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  Speaker 1: to what our pale Max likes to call the who,
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  Speaker 1: not the band, just the who of whom constructed this
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  Speaker 1: great lighthouse called an ancient wonder. So Ptolome Sojer is
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  Speaker 1: born in Macedonia. He dies in Egypt. He's a Macedonian
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  Speaker 1: general of Alexander the Great, and he ultimately this guy Ptoleme,
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  Speaker 1: he founds the Ptolemaic dynasty. And since we are an
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  Speaker 1: audio show, I guess we have to tell people the
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  Speaker 1: pronunciation of Ptolemy is not the same way it's spelled.
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  Speaker 1: There's a silent letter.
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  Speaker 3: I love a silent pe Remember the song Friends of
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  Speaker 3: P by the Rentals?
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  Speaker 1: I loved it? Right? Is that the guy who was the.
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  Speaker 3: Bassist from Weezer, Matt Sharp, Yeah, he was the bassist
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  Speaker 3: from Weezer. I've been on a Friends of Pea kick
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  Speaker 3: recently when a friend of mine was visiting from Saint
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  Speaker 3: Louis and we had one of those like YouTube diving
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  Speaker 3: evenings with a little bit It might may have been
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  Speaker 3: a few glasses of wine involved, but I rocked out
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  Speaker 3: the video of Friends of Pea. So that's all who's
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  Speaker 3: been stuck in my head. This is silent P. Not
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  Speaker 3: to be confused also with the Lies of P, which
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  Speaker 3: apparently really cool, very difficult souls like game that it
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  Speaker 3: looks really awesome, but it seems very unpleasant to play.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we're talking about Ptolemy. Silent P. Sota tole Me,
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  Speaker 3: the first in fact, Silent p Sota, who, as we know,
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  Speaker 3: did go on to become the ruler of Egypt, and
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  Speaker 3: he did reign longer than any other dynasty that was
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  Speaker 3: established after the Alexandrian Empire, only to eventually be toppled
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  Speaker 3: by the Romans, as the Romans were wont to do
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  Speaker 3: there in thirty BCE. So, if you can guess, is
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  Speaker 3: silent our buddy silent p The first p one, if
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  Speaker 3: you will, was a pretty yeah, exactly p P Prime
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  Speaker 3: was a pretty modest ruler slash dictator that didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 3: need any kind of props for his ego forms of
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  Speaker 3: ostentatious monuments. I'm being sarcastic on behalf of Max, who
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  Speaker 3: was being sarcastic when you wrote that in the Dog.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Max, give us a record scratch, No, make
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  Speaker 1: it sound older.
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  Speaker 3: Seventy eight rather, yeah, there we go, nice and warble.
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  Speaker 3: So okay, we're gonna move on to the Pyramids. Just kidding.
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  Speaker 3: Max also wrote that we're here to talk about this lighthouse.
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  Speaker 3: So there's always lighthouses, there's always man, there's always a city,
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  Speaker 3: which is apparently a line from a song that I
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  Speaker 3: don't know, Max.
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  Speaker 2: No, it's a BioShock infinite.
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  Speaker 3: Oh okay, got it at the end of the game,
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  Speaker 3: always like a Springsteen jam or like then in like
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  Speaker 3: four of these and I keep trying to use it
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  Speaker 3: over it.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Okay, all right, Max, you did You did
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  Speaker 1: deliver on this one.
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  Speaker 3: Max the Great Deliverer would be his nickname if he
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  Speaker 3: were a despot. Sarcasm aside, right, exactly, Silent p Prime
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  Speaker 3: definitely did, in fact commission himself one of these wonders.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So we're going back to a guy called
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  Speaker 1: Mark Cartwright because that is his legal name, and he
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  Speaker 1: told us, through our various explorations, a lot about wonders
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  Speaker 1: of the ancient world. And Mark Cartwright summarizes the adventures
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  Speaker 1: of Ptolemy this way, he says, essentially, Ptolemy the first
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  Speaker 1: commissions the building of a massive lighthouse to guide ships
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  Speaker 1: into Alexandria. And tocheer note about humility. There noel to
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  Speaker 1: provide a permanent reminder of his power a greatness. So
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  Speaker 1: this is a guy who is building a statue for
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  Speaker 1: himself while he is alive. This takes forever he dies.
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  Speaker 1: The project is completed twenty years later or so by
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  Speaker 1: Ptolomay Prime's son Ptolomay two, again named in a burst
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  Speaker 1: of humility and creativity.
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  Speaker 3: M yep, and the structure just added to a giant
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  Speaker 3: running list of things that the Great City of Alexandria boasted, including,
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  Speaker 3: of course the Tomb of Alexander, the Great Museum, which
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  Speaker 3: was an institution for the learned folk of the area,
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  Speaker 3: the Sarah Piam Temple, and of course the Library of Alexandria,
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  Speaker 3: very famous, exactly, very famous, loss to time, house of
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  Speaker 3: data tomes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bummer. Will never know what could have
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  Speaker 1: happened with civilization if that library was not burned. However,
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  Speaker 1: this is some classic dictator compensation. And yeah, lighthouses are
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  Speaker 1: kind of phallic. Thanks for the joke there, Max, But
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  Speaker 1: the idea behind the lighthouse is pretty solid.
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  Speaker 3: It's a functioning piece of architecture. Like you said, Ben,
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  Speaker 3: it keeps those ships from you know, reckon. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So if we look at the if we look at
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  Speaker 1: the geography, then we see two natural harbors. There's the
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  Speaker 1: again humbly named Great Harbor and then there's the Harbor
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  Speaker 1: of Fortunate Return. The mainland is linked to the island
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  Speaker 1: of Pharaoh's pa a r O S the p is
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  Speaker 1: pronounceable there right, So uh, this lighthouse is intended to
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  Speaker 1: help sailors get to where they're going without wrecking the
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  Speaker 1: whole boat. And at this time in history, everything is
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  Speaker 1: dedicated to some sort of deity or another.
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  Speaker 3: So you got.
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  Speaker 1: Zeus suitor aka deliverer.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so last same last name? Is the last name?
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  Speaker 3: Is that? Okay? So is he? I'm confused? Was this
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  Speaker 3: version of Zeus named after Ptolemy or was Dolema named
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  Speaker 3: after this version of Zeus? We do have the Deliverer,
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  Speaker 3: by the way, which is max is a despot nickname.
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  Speaker 3: How about that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go, the Deliverer, the free train, and
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  Speaker 1: then that freighth So it's a famous lighthouse, but it
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  Speaker 1: is not the first version of the thing. It's just
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  Speaker 1: the biggest version of the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And just again we've mentioned I think everybody knows what
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  Speaker 3: a lighthouse looks like and what a lighthouse is for.
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  Speaker 3: But in this era, Facos, which is an island in
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  Speaker 3: the Aegean Sea, was known to have had multiple towering lighthouses.
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  Speaker 3: In the Archaic period. These were landmarks as well as
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  Speaker 3: these beacons that were used by cities to help sailors
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  Speaker 3: cross the Mediterranean. The ancient lighthouses were primarily built for
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  Speaker 3: function over form, as navigational aids, pointing out or showing
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  Speaker 3: through the murky, you know, fog of the open ocean
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  Speaker 3: leading up to land where the sea ended and the
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  Speaker 3: harbor began.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah. So it was less like watch out
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  Speaker 1: and more like come here, right, so this is the
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  Speaker 1: spot where you should hang out. The issue is here
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  Speaker 1: that we're talking about the Mediterranean, and the Mediterranean is
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  Speaker 1: just absolutely riddled with difficult navigation, right, and there are
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  Speaker 1: a lot of treacherous waters. So the kick here is
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  Speaker 1: that a lighthouse this big, this cool, is supposed to,
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  Speaker 1: as you said, no function as both a warning and
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  Speaker 1: a commemoration. We actually don't know too much in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty six about how this lighthouse worked, just like the
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  Speaker 1: Library of Alexandria. We're not certain of the structure nor
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  Speaker 1: the architecture of the thing, other than the fact that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people saw it. A lot of people
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  Speaker 1: said it was made of white stone. It was three
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  Speaker 1: floors tall, right, three stories tall, and it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of like a ziggarette.
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  Speaker 3: Ooh yeah, what was that one of those little steps,
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  Speaker 3: the step one.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, yeah, the bottom was a big rectangle,
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  Speaker 1: the bottom floor, the second floor was like an octagon,
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  Speaker 1: and the top floor was round. And most people are
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  Speaker 1: going to tell you that at the top floor there
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  Speaker 1: was a statue of Zeus or to your earlier point,
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  Speaker 1: Zeus Soter right.
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  Speaker 3: And we have accounts from Arab writers who describe it
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  Speaker 3: as a ramp rising around the outside of the lower
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  Speaker 3: part of the tower, containing an internal staircase used to
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  Speaker 3: reach the upper levels. And then accounts from modern historians
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  Speaker 3: do vary a bit when it comes to the height
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  Speaker 3: of the tower, but estimates range from one hundred to
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  Speaker 3: one hundred and forty meters or three hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 3: to four hundred and sixty feet. And this is again
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  Speaker 3: coming from our buddy Mark Kart right.
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  Speaker 1: And this would have made it the second tallest structure
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  Speaker 1: on the planet after the Pyramids over in Egypt. So
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  Speaker 1: this is like, this is at the point where if
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  Speaker 1: you are a sailor and you are going toward this
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  Speaker 1: part of the world and you mess up, that's on you.
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  Speaker 1: Because the lighthouse is pretty clear. But Nol, what kind
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  Speaker 1: of stuff lit the lighthouse here?
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  Speaker 3: It's a good question, Ben, And when I think about
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  Speaker 3: the lighthouses and lighthouse technology. I guess my mind goes
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  Speaker 3: back to the Robert Egger's film A Lighthouse. There's there's
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  Speaker 3: what is it, There's magic in the light, very very
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  Speaker 3: creepy stuff, Lovecraftian, you know, lore surrounding that particular lighthouse
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  Speaker 3: and the idea of what summons the light. We're talking
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  Speaker 3: about a time before, of course electricity, so but mirrors
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  Speaker 3: of course existed, and it's all about reflecting the light
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  Speaker 3: in a circular way that allows it to act as
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  Speaker 3: this beacon. So of course the light source would have
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  Speaker 3: had to have been maintained. The idea of the lighthouse keeper,
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  Speaker 3: which is still a modern you know thing, or at
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  Speaker 3: least you know, the idea of someone having to maintain
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  Speaker 3: the lamp and make sure the light was always on
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  Speaker 3: because you know, the stakes were pretty high if a
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  Speaker 3: lighthouse were to burn out, for example, we would see
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  Speaker 3: catastrophic results, you know, from these ships not being able
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  Speaker 3: to tell where the land began. So it's a little
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  Speaker 3: confusing because we're talking about a lighthouse that's in the name.
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  Speaker 3: You gotta have a light, whether it be the more
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  Speaker 3: modern versions using you know, incandescent bulbs or something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Perhaps halogen bulbs that are then reflected and refracted and
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  Speaker 3: made to you know, throw across long distances. What we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about here, according to various accounts, may have not
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  Speaker 3: had a light at all because of the types of
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  Speaker 3: materials that were required to maintain such a light were
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  Speaker 3: pretty scarce in the region. So a lot of historians
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  Speaker 3: seem to think that this was more of a landmark
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  Speaker 3: slash thing that would have been helpful during the day
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  Speaker 3: rather than something that would have, you know, lit up
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  Speaker 3: the night, because a lot of the accounts don't mention
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  Speaker 3: a light at all, which seems counterintuitive calling it the
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  Speaker 3: Great Lighthouse of Alexandria if you ask me.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So now it's just a non functional or it's
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  Speaker 1: a half functional lighthouse. It's a building you can see
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  Speaker 1: at sea during the day. Some of the only reports
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  Speaker 1: we have of a lamp burning in the lighthouse at
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  Speaker 1: night or from folks like Plenty, the elder notorious liar,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, is that true?
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  Speaker 3: I always thought Plenty was was the authority. No, I guess,
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  Speaker 3: I guess I do recall some questionable reports from that dude.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, he's the elder. That means he's wise,
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  Speaker 3: But I guess some people like to lie sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: And and he got the uh, he got the pronounced
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  Speaker 1: P in his name. So take that told of me.
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  Speaker 3: Otherwise it would have been like Lamey the Elder. I
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  Speaker 3: do love a silent P. It's just it's a little confounding.
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  Speaker 3: But I'm here. I'm here for it. So to to
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  Speaker 3: double back on the aforementioned question of what makes a wonder,
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  Speaker 3: the Lighthouse of alex Andrea made it onto that hallowed
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  Speaker 3: list of the Seven Wonders a bit later than some
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  Speaker 3: of the others because, you know, it was a tall
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  Speaker 3: and unique structure. The design was intended to protect the
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  Speaker 3: harbors and the sailors who were traveling across the Mediterranean
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  Speaker 3: in the ancient world. And the design of it was
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  Speaker 3: so I guess efficient and well done that it was
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  Speaker 3: kind of it served as a bit of a template
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  Speaker 3: for other lighthouses that were built, you know, in other
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  Speaker 3: parts of the world.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, in set of precedent, right, and it became a
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  Speaker 1: functional blueprint essentially, right, So you could look at Alexandria,
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  Speaker 1: you could look at their lighthouse and you could say,
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  Speaker 1: I could build something like that. That's what happened. That's
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  Speaker 1: why it became a wonder of the ancient world. But
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  Speaker 1: back then again, obviously, fellow ridiculous historians, people of the
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  Speaker 1: day did not call these wonders of the ancient world.
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  Speaker 1: Please tune in for our episode on what doth make
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  Speaker 1: a Wonder? Alexandria continued to prosper way after Alexander the
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  Speaker 1: Great passed away. Alexandria was part of the Roman Empire.
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  Speaker 1: It was actually the second most important city in that
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  Speaker 1: world for a long time. And then again earthquakes. Right,
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  Speaker 1: just like in our previous conversations on other ancient wonders,
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  Speaker 1: we got earthquakes in seven ninety six, nine fifty the
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  Speaker 1: lighthouse again falls over. You know, Noel, It reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of the first time I saw the Tower of London,
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  Speaker 1: and I was kind of a jerk about it because
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  Speaker 1: you and I are used to very tall things being
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  Speaker 1: called towers.
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  Speaker 3: Right, Apparently it's a little underwhelming when you behold it
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  Speaker 3: for the first time. I have not had the pleasure.
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  Speaker 3: But is that what is that what you're saying?
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  Speaker 1: That's what we're saying. Yeah, because this thing, as the
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  Speaker 1: Lighthouse of Alexandria here is three stories tall. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: look small to a lot of people in the modern world.
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  Speaker 1: But we also have to remember, you know, three stories
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  Speaker 1: was a big deal at the time.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, no, I mean you gotta start the three
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  Speaker 3: stories before you can get to you know, hundreds or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: The tallest. But what are we talking. What's the tallest
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  Speaker 3: building in the world. Now, I think it's somewhere in
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  Speaker 3: the Middle East, perhaps maybe, Yeah, I think that's right. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: So you gotta start some.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta start somewhere. Add the lighthouse definitely starts somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It disappears from the historic record after the fourteenth century,
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  Speaker 1: probably due to earthquakes around the thirteen hundreds. The tower
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  Speaker 1: has granite foundations. They are reused to build a fort
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  Speaker 1: in the fifteenth century, and the sea level is rising
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  Speaker 1: right over these centuries. This is a true wonder of
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  Speaker 1: the ancient world.
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  Speaker 3: It did exist.
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  Speaker 1: You can visit the ruins. You should also probably if
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  Speaker 1: you are sailing, not trust those ruins. And no. For
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  Speaker 1: this episode and this series, we always like to conclude
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  Speaker 1: with a conversation about one of our favorite games, Civilization.
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  Speaker 1: I say, we throw to Max, how do we feel
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  Speaker 1: about that?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess y'all. I'm still not particularly versed
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  Speaker 3: in the Sieve universe. So everything that I've learned about it,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: I've learned right here on this podcast. So I know
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  Speaker 3: that these a lot of these ancient wonders are a
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  Speaker 3: little add on things that you can build that give
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: you like buffs or something in your in your sievelization.
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  Speaker 3: Is this a good one to build, Max? Or what's
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  Speaker 3: the deal? What kind of buffs are we talking? How
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  Speaker 3: does it aid in in the in your in your
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  Speaker 3: in your civilization?
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  Speaker 2: It is one you can build. Is actually it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: It's one that's in basically it's I think it's actually
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  Speaker 2: in every single game. It is a very famous one,
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  Speaker 2: and it honestly it really does a lot of these
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: wonders change a lot throughout the games to match the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: game context. This one doesn't. It basically just makes it
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: so your ships move faster and you can have better
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: a shipping and visibility. Right. Yeah, It's like a nice
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: wonder and it's also one that the AI always really wants,
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  Speaker 2: so it's really hard to get. But I've always thought
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: it's kind of bid. We have the Mausoleum of Carnastis,
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  Speaker 2: we have the Temple of Artemis, we have the colossus
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  Speaker 2: that rose. These are all you know, wonder if you
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  Speaker 2: could build around the same time that are fastly better.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, I'm talking on civilization six on this because
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  Speaker 2: still having weird feelings with seven. But I'll give it
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  Speaker 2: a C minus.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's do a Max with the facts
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  Speaker 1: on that one. And we're back, and folks, we cannot
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  Speaker 1: be more happy to be back together behind the curtain.
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  Speaker 1: We've been traveling a bit, Noel. You are returned from
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  Speaker 1: northern climbs and I'm returned from some oceans as well.
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  Speaker 1: And dude, I think we're gonna finally do it. I
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna get to the waffle house episode.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, it's true. It's true. You've
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: done some excellent research on that, and you know, we
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: will combine our collective appreciation and various understandings of the
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: history of waffle house, which is an very important part
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: of Southern culture that folks not from around these parts
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  Speaker 3: might not know about. But I think you're gonna be
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  Speaker 3: a little more it's gonna be a little more interesting
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: than you might think.
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  Speaker 1: And don't let Noel sell himself short here, folks. Noel,
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  Speaker 1: Max and I actually did some on the ground research
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  Speaker 1: for this What are we talking about? Find out in
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  Speaker 1: our next episode for now. Thank you as always so
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: much to our research associate for this episode and our
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: super producer, missed Max Williams, as well as Alex Williams
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  Speaker 1: who composed this slap and bop.
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  Speaker 3: Alex the Great Williams God, Christopher Rociotis, Nias, Jeff Coats
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  Speaker 3: here in spirit of course, Jonathan Strickland, the Booster, Jacob's the.
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Puzzler, Yeah, Rachel, Doctor Big Spinach, Lance, the rude Dudes,
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  Speaker 1: that ridiculous crime. If you like us, you'll love them.
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  Speaker 1: Shout out to source on the side by none other
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  Speaker 1: than good friend of the show Gandhi Noel. We got
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: to get up there soon.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. We will see you next time, folks.
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