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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, December 19 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: Is Jaguars. Fo Dawe. This just got a teas going
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Speaker 1: to the fifth Tent tout down Jaguards. They beat the Steelers.
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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, December. This is Jaguars Happy Hour and
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Speaker 1: now impeached former assistant sanitation director from Trustsville, Alabama. J
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Speaker 1: P get through the Senate though, so I don't know
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Speaker 1: welcome in Jaguars Happy Hour. I'm j P. Shadrick. He's
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Speaker 1: Jeff Lagoman. Tony Boselli you might have heard of him,
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Speaker 1: will be in shortly. He is in roots and we've
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Speaker 1: got a lot to discuss today on this program. Something happened, yeah, something,
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Speaker 1: A few things have happened. Yes, Tom Coughlin is no
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Speaker 1: longer employed by the Jacksonville Jaguars, will leave of his duties.
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Speaker 1: Will cover all of that. We'll hear from head coach
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Speaker 1: Doug Morone. He spoke again today, which is not normally
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Speaker 1: doesn't normally speak on Thursdays except on this program, The
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Speaker 1: Doug Marone Show. But he did speak with the media
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Speaker 1: today after the happenings last evening. We'll get some player
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Speaker 1: reaction in the locker room as well, but really it's
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Speaker 1: onto Atlanta that's up next for this team. Everybody here
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Speaker 1: knows they have to win football games down the last
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Speaker 1: two weeks of the season. Falcons this week and the
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Speaker 1: Colts next. What does the future hold? Will discuss some
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Speaker 1: of that with Jeff Darlington's ESPN reporter, who had some
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Speaker 1: tweets involving the Jaguars the last couple of days. That's
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Speaker 1: all coming up on this program. Tom Coughlin, out as
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Speaker 1: the executive vice president of football Operations and Jaguars owner
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Speaker 1: Shot Con put out a statement yesterday and last evening
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Speaker 1: in fact when it happened, and said he had thought
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Speaker 1: about this earlier in the fall and thought about doing
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Speaker 1: it at the end of the season. He reconsidered after
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Speaker 1: the recent days events and made the change immediately, and
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Speaker 1: he later said that Dave Coltwell and Doug Moron will
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Speaker 1: each report directly to him on an interim basis. His
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Speaker 1: expectations and those of Jacks fans for the final two
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Speaker 1: games and season are high. So after everything that had
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Speaker 1: happened with the Players Association, it seemed like that was
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Speaker 1: the last straw and the final two lines of that
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Speaker 1: letter from the p A I really had a damaging effect,
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Speaker 1: I think, and could have had a damaging effect on
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Speaker 1: this organization. Oh, I don't. I don't think there's any doubt.
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Speaker 1: And I think that that was the reason why the
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Speaker 1: time frame for letting Tom Coughlan go was pushed up
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Speaker 1: because if you know, because there first of all, there
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Speaker 1: were reports out there that that Tom Coughlin, you know,
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Speaker 1: and people on different articles wrote this, said, hey, why
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Speaker 1: don't we just let him get to the end of
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Speaker 1: the season and then he you know, he reports are
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Speaker 1: that he was gonna retire, resign, whatever, And uh, first
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Speaker 1: of all, I don't believe those reports. That's not how
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Speaker 1: Tom Coughlin is wired. And I think Shot Khan, as
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Speaker 1: the owner of the organization after what the NFL p
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Speaker 1: A put out, he wanted to be able to counteract
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Speaker 1: the the magnitude of their statement, and the magnitude of
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Speaker 1: their statement was it was a It was letting every
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Speaker 1: player in the National Football League know that Jacksonville is
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Speaker 1: not an attractive place. And so if as an owner
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Speaker 1: shot concert back and did nothing, then it that story
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Speaker 1: still goes on and it still reverberates around the National
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Speaker 1: Football League. By acting and terminating the employment of Tom Coughlin,
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Speaker 1: it's a response to that letting players. Know, I think
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Speaker 1: around the league that hey, look, that's not how we're
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Speaker 1: gonna do business. That's not how we want to do business.
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Speaker 1: We want to be an attractive place for you as
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Speaker 1: players and uh. And I think that that's why the
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Speaker 1: time frame of it change. That's why he moved it up,
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Speaker 1: because if you don't move it up, then you're not
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Speaker 1: responding to such a strong statement by the union. And
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Speaker 1: I've never seen a strong statement like that. You've been
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Speaker 1: at it for a lot longer than I look, not
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Speaker 1: been a part of the union for many years. I
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Speaker 1: was an executive committee vice president of the union for
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Speaker 1: a few years. I mean, so as a union, we
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Speaker 1: never did that when I was a part of it.
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Speaker 1: I never I've never seen the union do anything like that.
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Speaker 1: And I contacted some people and I said, you don't
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Speaker 1: give me an idea of you know, how many grievances
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Speaker 1: are we talking about on an annual basis to where
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars have And they're like, look, our you know,
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Speaker 1: our legal department, we don't want to we don't want
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Speaker 1: to let that out. And I think the reason why
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Speaker 1: they didn't want to let that out is because they
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Speaker 1: said what they wanted to say, and they wanted to
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Speaker 1: end it. They didn't want to have the conversation to
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Speaker 1: continue charts and graphs, No, they don't want them. They
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Speaker 1: don't want to have a conversation with anybody about that.
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Speaker 1: You know, they said what they said. But my guess
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Speaker 1: is somewhat educated guests ball park of in a year,
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Speaker 1: there might be twenty to forty grievances in a year maybe,
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Speaker 1: So you mean you do the math or you know,
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Speaker 1: so that might be. If it's thirty, obviously it's a handful,
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Speaker 1: and if it's forty, it can be a lot more
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Speaker 1: than that. But to your point, Mr Khan had to
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Speaker 1: make a big move in response to that too, because
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Speaker 1: this organization obviously has to work with the players Association.
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Speaker 1: That's how this business works. They have to moving ahead,
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Speaker 1: be able to compete and have players know that this
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Speaker 1: is the place they can do work. Well. Look, the
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Speaker 1: reality is, and I said this, I've talked about this
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Speaker 1: a little bit yesterday. I've been in that position before,
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Speaker 1: having to go down and to knock on Tom Coughlin's door.
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Speaker 1: You know, I had to do it many times in
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Speaker 1: early years when he would try to bends break certain
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Speaker 1: rules that were collectively bargained And I want people to
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Speaker 1: understand because a lot of people think that that these
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Speaker 1: are these are union rules. It's not union rules. It
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Speaker 1: is collectively bargained, agreed upon rules by the NFL, the
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Speaker 1: Management Council, and the union. This is a joint set
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Speaker 1: of rules. It's not some set of rules that the
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Speaker 1: NFL p A throws out there. Everybody's playing, everybody's on
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Speaker 1: the same page. Everybody knows this is the plane field
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Speaker 1: that we're under. This is a set of rules. And
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Speaker 1: and with with Tom, I always appreciated the amount of
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Speaker 1: rules that he had and always appreciated how he had
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Speaker 1: kind of a zero low tolerance policy for everybody to
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Speaker 1: adhere to his rules. But there were times when there
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Speaker 1: were fines that were were unjustified and we're we're controversial,
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Speaker 1: and I had to be don't want to go down there,
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Speaker 1: knock on that door and explain to him and I
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Speaker 1: and I said this many times for being a rules guy,
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Speaker 1: such a rules guy as Tom Coughlin is. And and
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to beat the guy up because I
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Speaker 1: got a lot of respect for Tom, but as much
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Speaker 1: of a rules guy that he is and that he
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Speaker 1: has a law, a very long set of rules. He
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Speaker 1: did it as a as a coach, and then obviously
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Speaker 1: as an e v P. He still had a set
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Speaker 1: of rules that the team was to abide by. But
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Speaker 1: as a as a guy, or as a leader, or
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Speaker 1: as a coach, or as an e v P that
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Speaker 1: has a set of rules that he expects the players
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Speaker 1: to abide by, he should understand that there are also
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Speaker 1: rules that he needed to abide by that are set
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Speaker 1: forth again not by the nfl p A, but by
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Speaker 1: the owners and the union that have been collective, collectively bargained.
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Speaker 1: And and when I when I saw the statement that
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Speaker 1: was put out by the NFL p A, I knew
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Speaker 1: that something was gonna happen, and I didn't I didn't
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Speaker 1: know the time frame. But I can't let that something
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Speaker 1: like that just go. No, you can't let that slide. Now.
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Speaker 1: The question moving ahead is what now? And what now
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Speaker 1: is that at least on an interim basis. According to
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Speaker 1: shot Con, Da've called well and Doug Maron report directly
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Speaker 1: to him, there was no official statement about beyond this season.
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Speaker 1: I think these next two games will tell us a
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Speaker 1: lot about some of those answers. The day after the
8:35
Speaker 1: season is done. Yeah, I think I think the Doug
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Speaker 1: in this press conference day got it right. And he
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Speaker 1: said that he didn't expect any kind of notification about
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Speaker 1: what happens beyond the next two weeks, and and I
8:46
Speaker 1: appreciate that perspective from Doug. I will say this too,
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Speaker 1: I can't imagine trying to lead this football team as
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Speaker 1: as a coach and trying to do it. It's the
9:00
Speaker 1: backdrop of this other stuff that's going on. I think
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Speaker 1: that makes it makes the head coaching job that has
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Speaker 1: been here incredibly challenging, incredibly challenging. I mean, so, I
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Speaker 1: think as a coach, you know, you want to instill discipline,
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Speaker 1: accountability and everything else. But do you feel like sometimes
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Speaker 1: that that maybe you can be over the top, because
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Speaker 1: if you've got players that are already getting beat up
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Speaker 1: by the fine system and are and are having a
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Speaker 1: file grievances and and have this this attitude towards the team,
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Speaker 1: and then as a as a coach, you almost probably
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Speaker 1: feel like you're piling on if you're trying to instill
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Speaker 1: your own discipline and accountability for what what your expectations
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Speaker 1: are as a football team. A lot of discipline going
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Speaker 1: around yeah, so it's it's almost like, you know, okay,
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Speaker 1: as as parents, Let's say you got a set of
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Speaker 1: parents for a kid, okay, and mom finds out that
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Speaker 1: you did something wrong, she breaks out the ruler, and
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Speaker 1: you get a couple of butt s. Wats. Well, guess what,
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Speaker 1: Dad comes home and does he do it again? Is
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Speaker 1: that fair? Like? No, whatever, that's a terrible comparison, But
10:14
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of having fun with it and that
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Speaker 1: that it kind of gets to the point where it
10:17
Speaker 1: would feel like dog pilot. But I mean, so I
10:20
Speaker 1: give credit to Doug Marone for for for handling a
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Speaker 1: lot of the because you know, this football team, for
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Speaker 1: the most part, with the exception of the jail and
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Speaker 1: Ramsey incident, this has not been a football team that
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Speaker 1: has been distracted, that has had a lot of side shows,
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Speaker 1: that has had Leonard Fournett leaving the sideline to go
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Speaker 1: get into a fight like he did last year. Mean,
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Speaker 1: everything has been I think for the most for the
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Speaker 1: most part, this year has been pretty good. A little
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Speaker 1: that stuff early in the season, you know, Kansas City games,
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Speaker 1: Jack but no, no, but then nothing that kind of
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Speaker 1: went away after Yeah, and so yeah, I kind of
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Speaker 1: kind of him sympathize with with a head coach having
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Speaker 1: the coach in that environment, that's not that can't be easy.
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Speaker 1: Let's hear from head coach Doug Morone and his message
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Speaker 1: to the team today after what happened yesterday. But I
11:14
Speaker 1: want to remind you of one thing. You know, our
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Speaker 1: focus is on the Atlanta Falcons. We have to win.
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Speaker 1: There's no different, Nothing has changed from what I said before.
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Speaker 1: You know, we're all fighting, you know, for our jobs,
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Speaker 1: for our life. Really, I mean, that's what we do
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Speaker 1: as coaches. We all know that. That's what The situation is.
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Speaker 1: No different for the players, you know, they have the
11:32
Speaker 1: same thing. So again, you know it's a tough situation. Um,
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Speaker 1: but you have to keep your your focus and you
11:39
Speaker 1: have to lead, and you have to go out there
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Speaker 1: and do your job. Hold no punchers there. We have
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Speaker 1: to win. It's a pretty strong statement for a football
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Speaker 1: team that is going to be up against it the
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Speaker 1: next two weeks. Well, and you look, you're you're facing
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons football team that I don't know if they're
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Speaker 1: in quite the same situation, but the seat is hot
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Speaker 1: in Atlanta for Dan quinn Is, the head coach, and
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Speaker 1: also for the general manager, Thomas Demetro. They played better lately,
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Speaker 1: but in general, they didn't have a great start at all.
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Speaker 1: They started out one and seven and there are four
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Speaker 1: and six or four and two in their last six games.
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Speaker 1: So they've been playing pretty well. And they just got
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Speaker 1: done beaten one of the best teams in the NFC
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Speaker 1: on the road in San Francisco. And they have all
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Speaker 1: pro type weapons on offense. Yeah, they got a couple
12:23
Speaker 1: of them are pretty good. Parts. They're missing some parts too.
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Speaker 1: They don't run the ball well. I mean, so they
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Speaker 1: have some shortcomings too. But but yeah, they're they're playing
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Speaker 1: good football. And I think the one thing that concerns
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Speaker 1: me is that if you look at what they can
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Speaker 1: do well, they can score forty points on you, they
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Speaker 1: can score thirty some lot points on you. And the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars offensively, can they keep up with that? I mean,
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Speaker 1: they have one of the most dynamic wide receivers in
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Speaker 1: football who had a monster game last week and Julio
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Speaker 1: Jones and had the game winning touchdown catch. He had
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Speaker 1: in the game. He had thirteen catches for thirty four
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Speaker 1: yards and two touchdowns. He can do everything. He can
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Speaker 1: run by guys, he can body guys up. I think
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Speaker 1: the one category that he hasn't probably been phenomenal in
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Speaker 1: as a as a pro is touchdown score. But he
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Speaker 1: still has been scoring enough touchdowns more than than the
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Speaker 1: Jaguars guys have had. I mean, DJ obviously has more,
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Speaker 1: but and then they have a pretty good tight end
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Speaker 1: and Austin Hooper. They lost something when Calvin Ridley went
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Speaker 1: on injury reserve last week. Matt Ryan has seen everything
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Speaker 1: and anything you could throw at him as a quarterback. So, uh,
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Speaker 1: they're a good, good football team right now. I mean,
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Speaker 1: and you can't argue that. I mean, when you win
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Speaker 1: four out of six, you're playing good ball. Let's come back.
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Speaker 1: Tony Boselli, standing by prior of the Jaguars left tackle,
13:44
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Speaker 1: You know, he's very understanding this year. So I love
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Speaker 1: Doug Marone. Uh, this is Jaguar's happy hour. J P. Shadrick,
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Speaker 1: Jeff Flagerman, and Tony Vaselli Boys in person. This week,
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Speaker 1: you know, Thursday night football. This week, Thursday football is
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Speaker 1: over for the year. Um, it's Saturday football. So I'll
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Speaker 1: be in Tampa to Tampa Houston. It's gonna be fun.
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Speaker 1: And then I fled from Tampa Atlanta Little Jack Falcons.
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Speaker 1: I was listening to Jeff breakdown the Falcons. I agree
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Speaker 1: with everything he said. It's gonna be a tough matchup.
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Speaker 1: Good offense. What time's your game Saturday? One pm? Oh,
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Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, we're good for that. Yeah we can
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Speaker 1: always do a little. I'm thinking, where were the Carnivars
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Speaker 1: that we are We're gonna go down this road great.
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Speaker 1: By the way, I never got a response, but I
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Speaker 1: sent a text out are we in for? I was
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out schedule. Okay, you got an excuse, Joe,
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Speaker 1: I guess you don't love me. That's that's true. By
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Speaker 1: the way, Speaking speaking of food, I had one of
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Speaker 1: your cookies. Oh my gosh. The next break I'll be
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Speaker 1: having another one. Jeff Broad a little Christmas breads. It
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Speaker 1: was nice. Let's get to the big topic of the week.
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Speaker 1: Of course, A couple of things have happened. Food. Um,
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Speaker 1: Tom Coffin's out. We we discussed it in the first segment, Tony,
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Speaker 1: and after everything that happened earlier in the week, it
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Speaker 1: just felt like something was gonna come at some point. Well,
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Speaker 1: I think the one thing that needs to be clear
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Speaker 1: the letter from the NFL p A and all the
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Speaker 1: stuff about grievances and overturned and the grievances to the
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Speaker 1: against the Jaguars, and what the p A said of
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Speaker 1: that last statement, which I think was a little bit
19:23
Speaker 1: of a cheap shot. You know, I don't think that's
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Speaker 1: the position of the PA to be releasing that stuff.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if they want to go just to the members,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think that needed to be a media released.
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Speaker 1: I think it was over the top. With that said,
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Speaker 1: that was not the reason Tom Coughlin got fired. All
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Speaker 1: that did was speed up the process. I am A.
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Speaker 1: Even if you read the statement that Shod put out,
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Speaker 1: and I'm a firm believer that Tom Coughlin was going
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Speaker 1: to not going to be in the role of e
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Speaker 1: v P at the end of the season, I think
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Speaker 1: that was a done deal. I think Shod made the decision.
20:00
Speaker 1: All that the nfl p A letter did is speed
20:02
Speaker 1: up the process by two weeks, That is it. Yeah,
20:04
Speaker 1: I didn't know what was gonna happen with Tom at
20:09
Speaker 1: the end of the season prior to the nfl p
20:11
Speaker 1: a's release that they had. When I saw that, I
20:15
Speaker 1: was like silver. But but Jeff, and I mean in
20:18
Speaker 1: your mind, were you the same way? No? No, I
20:20
Speaker 1: thought I thought before the before anything ever happened Monday
20:24
Speaker 1: with the p A, I thought that Tom was probably
20:27
Speaker 1: gonna be not no longer, uh, the e v P
20:31
Speaker 1: of this organization. Now, could I have seen the scenario
20:33
Speaker 1: that maybe he does you know, something else? And I
20:36
Speaker 1: thought maybe that he would have a different type even
20:40
Speaker 1: that something, even that I thought was a long shot.
20:44
Speaker 1: I thought, what would happen more than anything, maybe Tom
20:47
Speaker 1: would retire or whatever. But did you did you ever
20:50
Speaker 1: get the impression was not retired? He was never going
20:54
Speaker 1: to retire. That was not gonna happen, and so I
20:58
Speaker 1: think it needs to be clear that this is vision
21:00
Speaker 1: was made. I don't know who put those reports out though,
21:02
Speaker 1: I mean, who, why are those reports out there? I
21:06
Speaker 1: think that's somebody just trying to throw something and see
21:08
Speaker 1: if it sticks. It's not true. But that's not it.
21:10
Speaker 1: That's not in his nature. No, that's not him. No, no,
21:14
Speaker 1: And so I think that, Um, but I think it's
21:18
Speaker 1: an important thing because it was not just the NFL
21:20
Speaker 1: p A. I mean, I think if you look at
21:23
Speaker 1: one of the things I love about the NFL, and
21:26
Speaker 1: especially when it's done right, is that as a player,
21:31
Speaker 1: as a coach, and as an executive, you should and
21:35
Speaker 1: usually are judged on wins and losses, wins and losses
21:39
Speaker 1: in the overall direction of the organization. And I think
21:43
Speaker 1: all of us, every fan, every media person, everyone associated
21:50
Speaker 1: with this organization or not associated with the organization, that
21:53
Speaker 1: the wins and losses are not in the right uh,
21:57
Speaker 1: tallies are not adding up correctly. And I don't think
22:01
Speaker 1: anyone would argue that the organization right now from a
22:04
Speaker 1: football standpoint, just talking on the football side, is moving
22:08
Speaker 1: in the right direction. From when I say right direction,
22:12
Speaker 1: getting better year over year as a football team. And
22:16
Speaker 1: so that's what you're judged on. And when you're sitting
22:19
Speaker 1: at the top, and it happens all the time, start
22:23
Speaker 1: the players. Players. When you can't perform anymore, you get cut,
22:29
Speaker 1: head coaches, when you don't win enough games, you get fired,
22:34
Speaker 1: GMS front office people like Tom executive right president president.
22:39
Speaker 1: If the organization is not winning games and not going
22:41
Speaker 1: the right direction, changes are gonna be made. It should
22:44
Speaker 1: not be a shock, and it's not. But that's but
22:49
Speaker 1: that's the one that's the great thing is we should
22:53
Speaker 1: that you're judged. And it's one of the things I
22:55
Speaker 1: loved as a player. At the end of the day,
22:58
Speaker 1: you knew where you stood as a football team. At
23:00
Speaker 1: the end of the every week, either you did it
23:02
Speaker 1: or you did you did as a player, you're judged.
23:05
Speaker 1: You sat in the film room afterwards and you were
23:07
Speaker 1: judged based on your performance. It should be no different
23:10
Speaker 1: from anyone within the organization. Is it the end of
23:14
Speaker 1: that you're judged based on your performance. And I think
23:17
Speaker 1: that shop looked at it. He decided that it wasn't
23:20
Speaker 1: going the right direction, weren't winning enough games, and uh,
23:23
Speaker 1: when you're the boss, sometimes the boss goes out first.
23:26
Speaker 1: And Tom was the boss of operations, last place in
23:29
Speaker 1: the a f C South last year, bottom of the
23:32
Speaker 1: a f C South again this year. Obviously the change
23:37
Speaker 1: was coming. But that letter, well, just spend it up,
23:41
Speaker 1: that's all. It just we now know that. But I
23:45
Speaker 1: my thought was is that if it wasn't gonna happen,
23:48
Speaker 1: it surely is now. What I saw that released by
23:51
Speaker 1: the by the p A, I've just I've never seen
23:53
Speaker 1: and I know you said that they probably went over
23:56
Speaker 1: the top. I don't really see how that was kind
23:59
Speaker 1: of over the top. I don't. I don't. I don't
24:01
Speaker 1: think it's the PA's job to start making proclamations of
24:05
Speaker 1: where players should sign or not sign with free agency,
24:07
Speaker 1: and that's what they did. But I think there is
24:10
Speaker 1: there is a role for the p A to make
24:12
Speaker 1: their players aware. You can make them aware, you don't.
24:16
Speaker 1: They did not need to write the last sentence, which
24:19
Speaker 1: which sentence the last sentence was, So as you're making
24:22
Speaker 1: your decisions of what teams to go to, please keep
24:24
Speaker 1: this in mind. What they are saying there and we
24:27
Speaker 1: all read it and we all know it. Don't if
24:30
Speaker 1: you have a choice, don't go to Jacksonville because they
24:33
Speaker 1: because they find players in response to numerous I think
24:40
Speaker 1: if you if you just kind of followed Tom through
24:43
Speaker 1: the years, it was it was, oh, it was a
24:46
Speaker 1: shot shot at him. The number of kind of him
24:52
Speaker 1: kind of thumbing his nose incidents of at the union
24:56
Speaker 1: have been numerous, and so I think this is kind
24:59
Speaker 1: of one of those things were finally the union just said,
25:01
Speaker 1: do you know what, We've had enough, let's put this out,
25:05
Speaker 1: this information out And there's this tag it with this
25:08
Speaker 1: one line, and um, yeah, so I get it. I mean, look,
25:14
Speaker 1: when you're abrasive and rude to somebody, at some point
25:18
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna respond back, and not in such a kind way.
25:23
Speaker 1: That's what do they call that? There's a term for
25:27
Speaker 1: that sometimes can retribution. Here's whatever you want. But even
25:36
Speaker 1: with all that said, I'm disappointed. I don't think the
25:40
Speaker 1: union needed to take that shot. The fine putting it out?
25:44
Speaker 1: What what? What? What would you been okay with them
25:46
Speaker 1: putting out as far as here's my question, it makes
25:49
Speaker 1: just the percentages. Well, here's the other thing, Jeff, and
25:52
Speaker 1: you were the head of the union for the team
25:54
Speaker 1: union wrap it for the team and very involved. I wasn't,
25:57
Speaker 1: so there's something and I'm not saying I just don't
26:00
Speaker 1: know as much as Jeff does in this area. I
26:02
Speaker 1: don't recall, though, in the history that I've been since
26:06
Speaker 1: I got drafted and now we're sitting in twenty nineteen,
26:10
Speaker 1: ever an instance, as a player or as a person
26:14
Speaker 1: covering teams, covering games and following very closely that the
26:18
Speaker 1: Union has ever filed a press release about winning grievances
26:22
Speaker 1: against a ball club. Uh, not as a percentage, as
26:27
Speaker 1: a total, but they have issued releases about grievances that
26:30
Speaker 1: have been won in the past, naming specific teams and
26:35
Speaker 1: individual cases, but not as a summary like that was
26:39
Speaker 1: just I thought it was just I don't think like
26:42
Speaker 1: too much. And then the last line was let's move
26:46
Speaker 1: it forward. Now the the move has been made, sump
26:50
Speaker 1: Coflin's out. Is that enough to mend the fence with
26:53
Speaker 1: the p A, with this organization of that relationship. I
26:57
Speaker 1: think that shot and first of all, the the fence.
27:02
Speaker 1: I don't want to say you have to have it mended,
27:04
Speaker 1: but I think there definitely needs to be some type
27:07
Speaker 1: type of relationship going forward, and it doesn't have to
27:10
Speaker 1: be buddy buddy with the union. But I think Shad
27:14
Speaker 1: Khan's response, I think is the first step and it's
27:17
Speaker 1: the most biggest step. Anything that happens after that, I
27:20
Speaker 1: think is a matter of icing on the top, so
27:24
Speaker 1: to speak. And I look at if Doug is the
27:27
Speaker 1: head coach here next year, and if I were a
27:30
Speaker 1: head coach in this situation next year, I'd want to
27:33
Speaker 1: reach out to the union and say, hey, look, obviously
27:38
Speaker 1: how things were done have We're not gonna be doing
27:41
Speaker 1: business like that anymore. What can I do to help
27:45
Speaker 1: make this better? To let you know so that your
27:48
Speaker 1: constituency knows that going forward, we are a place, a
27:54
Speaker 1: destination that will treat the players fairly in the collective
27:58
Speaker 1: bargain under the collective Bargaining Agreement. So I think that
28:01
Speaker 1: that that will take. So if you do that is
28:03
Speaker 1: the is the is the gonna send out And I
28:08
Speaker 1: think I think the way that's why the release of
28:12
Speaker 1: Tom Caufin from those duties was the biggest thing that
28:16
Speaker 1: you could do in response to what the Unions press
28:19
Speaker 1: release was. And I think I think moving forward, as
28:23
Speaker 1: you asked the question, JP, I think one letting Tom
28:27
Speaker 1: go is you know sends a message even though we
28:31
Speaker 1: all know it wasn't the reason he got fired and
28:34
Speaker 1: sped it up. But to the union still they'll view
28:36
Speaker 1: that as a check the box we got, you know,
28:38
Speaker 1: we won. The other way you mend that fence is
28:41
Speaker 1: just follow the dang rules. Just follow the c b
28:45
Speaker 1: A not hard. That's all you gotta do. I don't
28:47
Speaker 1: think you have to, Like if you what Jeff said,
28:49
Speaker 1: if you want to call and do that, that's fine.
28:51
Speaker 1: Like to me, that's window dressing. The way you fix
28:54
Speaker 1: the dress never hurt. I'm not saying it does. I'm
28:57
Speaker 1: not saying it's wrong. The way you fix it, though,
29:00
Speaker 1: is you just follow the dang rules, which I've always
29:03
Speaker 1: and I said this Monday Night, which is always like
29:06
Speaker 1: Tom the ultimate, like follow the rule, guy, if you
29:09
Speaker 1: like making players follow the rules, didn't want to follow
29:12
Speaker 1: the CBA rules, which is this ironic to me, but
29:16
Speaker 1: like moving forward, just do what you're supposed to do.
29:20
Speaker 1: Treat the players the way there's the c b A
29:22
Speaker 1: says A. Treat them in everything will be fine. I
29:26
Speaker 1: heard people talk about how uh players of today have
29:31
Speaker 1: changed and the rules have changed. The rules haven't changed. Well,
29:37
Speaker 1: they've lessened. They're different than when we played as far
29:39
Speaker 1: as the c B A well, there's more rules that
29:42
Speaker 1: are enforced as far as the requirements for but for
29:46
Speaker 1: the most part, there's not a whole lot of difference
29:49
Speaker 1: between what we had and what is what the players
29:52
Speaker 1: of today time space practice rules, time spin. It's a
29:56
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29:59
Speaker 1: rules they've been there for a number of years, so
30:03
Speaker 1: it's not like this is some new landscape that everybody
30:07
Speaker 1: had to adjust that it's been years since these rules.
30:13
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is is that if there
30:14
Speaker 1: is any confusion where you're not sure about a rule,
30:17
Speaker 1: pick up the phone. Hey, uh, can I get a
30:19
Speaker 1: little clarification on what I can and can't do under
30:22
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30:26
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30:28
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34:19
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. Everyone on the injury report practice fully.
34:23
Speaker 1: That's great news, especially for d J. Chark, who missed
34:25
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34:28
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34:31
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34:34
Speaker 1: respects so did to. This business has changed, you know,
34:39
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34:43
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34:47
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34:50
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34:54
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35:10
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35:16
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36:11
Speaker 1: now and welcome in from ESPN. Jeff Darlington joining us. Jeff,
36:16
Speaker 1: what's going on? Man? How are you? Sir? Probably not
36:20
Speaker 1: quite good? Are has been quite the twenty four hours
36:24
Speaker 1: for y'all? It's been. It's been a busy couple of days,
36:26
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. Shod Con put out the statement
36:29
Speaker 1: last night Tom Coughlin is out, um, you know, after
36:33
Speaker 1: everything that happened earlier in the week, and Mr Kan
36:36
Speaker 1: said that just kind of sped up the process a
36:38
Speaker 1: little bit. Essentially, what's your reaction to Coughlin being out
36:41
Speaker 1: of here? An inevitability? Um? And quite frankly, I think
36:46
Speaker 1: the reason why Shan Khan had to like this was
36:51
Speaker 1: pretty clear. I mean, you cannot have the players Union
36:56
Speaker 1: se uh directing essentially players to consider avoiding Jacksonville. I
37:01
Speaker 1: mean that's the death sense and uh, I've honestly never
37:04
Speaker 1: really seen anything like that, And I think it's uh,
37:07
Speaker 1: not the I want to go to overboard here, but
37:10
Speaker 1: I think it's a reflection of the culture that unfortunately
37:16
Speaker 1: has existed UM with it within the Jaguars organization for
37:19
Speaker 1: the past few years, and UM, I think it's a
37:23
Speaker 1: much needed change and it's just not you know, the
37:26
Speaker 1: old the old school way. It doesn't always work. Jeff,
37:29
Speaker 1: we were talking a minute ago about how do you
37:32
Speaker 1: how do you go about fixing the that that released
37:37
Speaker 1: by the union incredibly damaging? Is the firing of Tom
37:42
Speaker 1: Coughlin enough or does more need to be done? Does it?
37:47
Speaker 1: Does the team need to reach out to the union
37:49
Speaker 1: in the off season, the head coach need to reach
37:52
Speaker 1: out to the union? What needs to happen next? So,
37:55
Speaker 1: from what I understand, those communications UM have and will
38:00
Speaker 1: continue to occur. I mean, I know Dave Caldwell has
38:03
Speaker 1: a good relationship both with his players and with the
38:06
Speaker 1: union itself. And UM, I think from the sense that
38:11
Speaker 1: I get talking to people around the league that that
38:14
Speaker 1: that narrative started and ended with Tom Coughlin when it
38:17
Speaker 1: came to the Jaguars. Uh. You know, whether you believe
38:22
Speaker 1: that Dave Caldwell deserves to be fired or not, it
38:27
Speaker 1: certainly should not fall under the merits of UM. The
38:32
Speaker 1: egregious behavior of Tom Coughlin over the past several years.
38:36
Speaker 1: I think that that's uh, that's something that will essentially
38:39
Speaker 1: resolve itself with his departure. To be completely honest, Jeff,
38:43
Speaker 1: when you say egregious behavior, like what do you mean
38:45
Speaker 1: specifically by what behavior are you speaking towards or about?
38:50
Speaker 1: Maybe egregious isn't the right word, but just I mean,
38:52
Speaker 1: if you have all these grievances being filed by player
38:57
Speaker 1: to the point where you know some of them some
39:00
Speaker 1: sometimes it turns into a trend to the point where, uh,
39:03
Speaker 1: you know, it becomes maybe in vogue in the locker
39:06
Speaker 1: room to go ahead and just file your grievance and
39:08
Speaker 1: the early or you know, if it's a former player
39:09
Speaker 1: in that case, but in general, you know, whether smoked
39:15
Speaker 1: their fire with a lot of that kind of stuff.
39:17
Speaker 1: And I just don't think, Um, if you look around
39:21
Speaker 1: the league the number of grievances that were being filed
39:23
Speaker 1: fire filed, and a lot of them were coming from
39:26
Speaker 1: the Jaguars organization generally speaking, you can look a little
39:30
Speaker 1: deeper and find out, um why that is. And I
39:33
Speaker 1: think in this case, um, you know, com Coplin had
39:37
Speaker 1: a very set agenda. He had a real disciplinarian plan
39:41
Speaker 1: in place, and and it to a degree backfired, and
39:46
Speaker 1: I think, uh, the NFL p A. I mean, look,
39:49
Speaker 1: the thing is whether you agree with it or not.
39:50
Speaker 1: If the NFL p A is telling its agents and
39:53
Speaker 1: players to consider steering away from Jacksonville, something has changed
39:57
Speaker 1: that's too much to uh to get past. You can't
40:01
Speaker 1: get beyond that. Uh if you have that culturing place
40:03
Speaker 1: to where the nflp is doing. Man, yeah, that's a
40:05
Speaker 1: pretty big blow. I mean you're right about that. I mean,
40:08
Speaker 1: when the p A, because that's you know, I don't
40:11
Speaker 1: think we've ever seen the p A coming out and
40:13
Speaker 1: making that s So you're right about that. That's wrong
40:17
Speaker 1: a statement that usually require some sort of respire. Let
40:20
Speaker 1: let me inserch something in here, because Jeff, I think
40:22
Speaker 1: your word egregious would be accurate if it were my
40:25
Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand dollars that we're taking fine schedule, because
40:30
Speaker 1: I would want my seven interest and I would want
40:33
Speaker 1: interest back. And if that ain't egregious, I don't know
40:35
Speaker 1: what it is. Well. And the other thing is, if
40:37
Speaker 1: it gets to that point where you're finding somebody seven
40:39
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, where is the other action take? It's
40:44
Speaker 1: just I don't know that it just doesn't fit. It's
40:46
Speaker 1: just not the way that the NFL works these days.
40:49
Speaker 1: I mean, look, here's the deal. The other thing is,
40:51
Speaker 1: I know Jalen Ramsey as a character and uh, and
40:53
Speaker 1: he's a lot to deal with, but he's still on
40:57
Speaker 1: the Jaguars right now. If Tom Coughlin was not um
41:01
Speaker 1: in the position that he was in, and I think
41:03
Speaker 1: that that um is talent out the door right now,
41:06
Speaker 1: and that is a perfect example of what uh, you know,
41:10
Speaker 1: what you can't have in an organization. I think that
41:13
Speaker 1: might have worked out pretty good for the Jaguars, to
41:15
Speaker 1: be honest with you, though, with all those draft picks
41:17
Speaker 1: and you've got a player that didn't want to play
41:19
Speaker 1: and was taking an injury because of it. I mean,
41:21
Speaker 1: to me, that's the type of player you don't want,
41:23
Speaker 1: regardless of who the TV was to that point, especially,
41:28
Speaker 1: I'll take that one back from the standpoint you're also
41:31
Speaker 1: you're also dealing with someone you're gonna have to pay
41:34
Speaker 1: a lot of money to and who knows where that goes.
41:36
Speaker 1: So so that's a fair point. They did get a
41:39
Speaker 1: hall of picks there as well, But I just think
41:41
Speaker 1: managing talent is such a key component to the job
41:46
Speaker 1: and when we think back to all of the positives
41:49
Speaker 1: and all the things that we talked about that we're
41:52
Speaker 1: such good things about that, what's that squad? It was?
42:03
Speaker 1: It was the characters, It was the passion and the
42:06
Speaker 1: way that that defense fought and uh. And if you're
42:09
Speaker 1: gonna have those kind of players, you also have to
42:11
Speaker 1: have the kind of culture that allows them to drive,
42:13
Speaker 1: and that just did not exist anymore. Jeff Darlington with
42:16
Speaker 1: us ESPN reporter covering the National Football League a long
42:19
Speaker 1: time in the NFL network before that, he had a
42:21
Speaker 1: series of tweets yesterday, Jeff, after this all kind of
42:24
Speaker 1: went down, um and moving forward now for this organization,
42:28
Speaker 1: Caldwell and Marone on an interim basis will be reporting
42:31
Speaker 1: directly the shot Khan. But you had a series of
42:34
Speaker 1: tweets thinking that they could be retained for the future,
42:38
Speaker 1: and it sounds like you have a little support for
42:41
Speaker 1: those guys. Yeah, I mean, I just get I get
42:43
Speaker 1: the impression that shot Conyglorence to support them past this year.
42:46
Speaker 1: The interim aspect of the wording of that state that
42:51
Speaker 1: made me kind of like, wait a second, that doesn't
42:53
Speaker 1: exactly drive with what I was sort of understanding the
42:56
Speaker 1: situation to be um, but that was off explained to
43:00
Speaker 1: me in a context that uh, you know that. Look,
43:04
Speaker 1: I think that there is still a little bit of
43:06
Speaker 1: a window open for a shot to make a decision there.
43:08
Speaker 1: But from what I understand, they will be back in.
43:12
Speaker 1: So Jeff, let's look at those two, uh individuals, head
43:16
Speaker 1: coach Doug Brown, Dave Caldwell, who's the gm um as
43:20
Speaker 1: you look at from the outside, because we're here close,
43:23
Speaker 1: I think we all talk about the tough situation, and
43:27
Speaker 1: Doug's done a pretty good job of holding it together
43:29
Speaker 1: with all the things I've been going on. You gotta
43:32
Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit. Uh, But looking at
43:35
Speaker 1: the situation where this team is from a coaching standpoint,
43:39
Speaker 1: what we just talked about, but then also the roster,
43:41
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people you look at the
43:42
Speaker 1: holes in the roster and and some of the misdraft
43:45
Speaker 1: picks and throughout the years and in the history of
43:49
Speaker 1: drafting under Dave Caldwell. What are you hearing or how
43:53
Speaker 1: do you view it from a distance of why those
43:55
Speaker 1: two individuals should be brought back. Well, I mean I
43:58
Speaker 1: certainly hear far more annoyed suggesting that they should not be.
44:02
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. I mean, I understand for instances,
44:05
Speaker 1: as you guys knows well of anybody the sort of
44:08
Speaker 1: um I mean, the discontent that exists within the Jaguar
44:13
Speaker 1: stand base, UM Man like I understand that we are
44:19
Speaker 1: now prone to treat that twenty seven team season as
44:23
Speaker 1: the outlier when it comes to Dave Caldwell's resume. I
44:27
Speaker 1: just would and I know we're maybe we're never gonna
44:30
Speaker 1: find out, or maybe we will. I would just love
44:33
Speaker 1: to know as the roster that he put together and
44:36
Speaker 1: then was the top ranked defense in the NFL that year,
44:40
Speaker 1: would have sustained. I mean, look, yes, Tom Coughlin came
44:44
Speaker 1: into the organization that year and as such he's going
44:48
Speaker 1: to get some credit for that, But that roster, in
44:50
Speaker 1: my opinion, was built by Caldwell, and I do believe, um,
44:54
Speaker 1: outside of the quarterback, which is going to be a
44:56
Speaker 1: black mark on his resume, um, you know, out of
45:00
Speaker 1: his career, outside of the quarterback, that was a championship
45:04
Speaker 1: caliber team that you put together. Jeff Darlington from ESPN,
45:09
Speaker 1: always good to catch up with you. We appreciate your insight.
45:12
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you again soon, I'm sure thanks appreciate
45:15
Speaker 1: is at Jeff Darlington on Twitter, good follow and a
45:19
Speaker 1: lot of thoughts about the Jaguars this week. I think
45:21
Speaker 1: it's gonna be be interesting and how you know Tony's
45:24
Speaker 1: questionnaire about about how Caldwell and Doug Marone will be viewed,
45:29
Speaker 1: you know, going forward, and we've talked about Doug and
45:32
Speaker 1: as far as Dave goes, you know, will will the
45:36
Speaker 1: mistakes at the quarterback position because they coincide with Coughlin's
45:40
Speaker 1: arrival here. Does that fall on Tom Coughlin or does
45:45
Speaker 1: that does that fall on Dave Caldwell because the mistakes
45:48
Speaker 1: Tom was here when we drafted Blake. You know, I'm
45:51
Speaker 1: talking about the contract extensions and then the subsequent where
45:56
Speaker 1: you've essentially bypassed the Pro Bowl strong quarterbacks on the
46:00
Speaker 1: a FC roster right now. So that to me is
46:03
Speaker 1: going to be very interesting. And I think one thing
46:05
Speaker 1: that I think it's important as you look at it
46:08
Speaker 1: will be interesting. Maybe better description than important is as
46:13
Speaker 1: a shot of valuates the Dave and Doug, I would
46:18
Speaker 1: think you'd have to do it separately because completely different situations.
46:21
Speaker 1: I mean, what Dougs had to do as the head
46:24
Speaker 1: coach and managing a lot of the locker room and
46:27
Speaker 1: the noise and all the things that go on, and
46:29
Speaker 1: a roster that I think all three of us would agree.
46:32
Speaker 1: I know, Jeff, you and I've talked about having a
46:35
Speaker 1: lot of holes in it because of missed draft picks
46:40
Speaker 1: throughout the years. Is in the job he's done injury
46:44
Speaker 1: the nick Foles Gardner mentioned, I mean, really, keeping these guys.
46:48
Speaker 1: You know, there's a bad five game stretched there. We
46:50
Speaker 1: lost by a big margin. But keeping those guys fighting
46:53
Speaker 1: and hanging in there, you can make you can make
46:56
Speaker 1: a case either way. Four and against each guy, ye
46:59
Speaker 1: and then and then looking at Dave is the big picture,
47:01
Speaker 1: not just the last three years when Tom's been here,
47:03
Speaker 1: but Dave's been here since and looking at the entirety
47:06
Speaker 1: of what's happened. And I think each of them separately
47:11
Speaker 1: are gonna have to make a case two shod of
47:15
Speaker 1: why they are the right person to move forward. And
47:17
Speaker 1: it'll just be interesting to see how that evaluation is done. Um,
47:21
Speaker 1: But I do think I would think you would do
47:23
Speaker 1: it both of them separately as individuals, based on the
47:26
Speaker 1: jobs they've done throughout their tenure here in Jackson. No
47:29
Speaker 1: different than the job that you made a decision based
47:32
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47:35
Speaker 1: what he had done and all the things that you
47:38
Speaker 1: liked and disliked of his tenure and ultimately led to
47:41
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47:44
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Speaker 1: Falcons this week in Atlanta first regular season visit to
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Speaker 1: the press box. That's a good point. The Falcons were
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Speaker 1: not good early in the season, but they've won seven start.
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Speaker 1: They have come back a little better as of late
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Speaker 1: beat New Orleans a little bit before that, so then
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Speaker 1: they had the ball to tie. In the second time.
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Speaker 1: They put new runs on Thanksgiving. I was there that
53:19
Speaker 1: the ball with a chance to tie it down down
53:22
Speaker 1: finish eighteen. So Matt Ryan leads the league in completions
53:27
Speaker 1: this year. They're still throwing the ball over there. They
53:29
Speaker 1: can't run. They have an offensive line that literally they
53:33
Speaker 1: want to be a zone team, and they can't run zone.
53:37
Speaker 1: They just they don't block it very well. If you
53:41
Speaker 1: and I know you've watched Dry Jeff, I've watched as well.
53:43
Speaker 1: If you look at San Francisco, their most successful runs
53:45
Speaker 1: were running power. They have the rookie guard, the right guard, Lyndstream.
53:49
Speaker 1: I think it is h he's back. He's been back
53:52
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks after being hurt from this year.
53:54
Speaker 1: Their best running scheme is more of a power scheme,
53:57
Speaker 1: and it's not that good either. That's why they throw
54:00
Speaker 1: it so much. They dropped back and throw it as
54:02
Speaker 1: much as anybody in the NFL. Schweitzer, who is their
54:04
Speaker 1: left guard, struggles terrible, right, well, not very good. Did
54:09
Speaker 1: you watch Have you watched the New Orleans? Didn't watch that?
54:12
Speaker 1: Watch the Tell me what you think about McCarry the
54:15
Speaker 1: round pick, right tackle. Watch him for people that don't
54:18
Speaker 1: Jordan normally have like seven sacks that game. They they
54:21
Speaker 1: have two first round picks on the right side of
54:24
Speaker 1: their offensive line, Chris Litz from first round pick. He
54:27
Speaker 1: was the first of two first round picks college. And
54:30
Speaker 1: then McGarry is a Washington guy and he was the
54:34
Speaker 1: second first round pick that they had, Caleb McGarry. He's
54:38
Speaker 1: a big dude now and they list him and I
54:40
Speaker 1: was looking at the six six three oh six what
54:42
Speaker 1: they listed him at. Bigger than that. He's much bigger
54:45
Speaker 1: than that. Sticking him on film. Yeah, he's a little stiff,
54:47
Speaker 1: but he's a big dude now. I think they're gonna
54:49
Speaker 1: be fine long term. Long term, you can get after
54:53
Speaker 1: good matchup this week. If I was a defensive tackle
54:58
Speaker 1: or a pass rusher, you I'd want the match up
55:01
Speaker 1: on Schweitzer the left guard. I take that all day long.
55:05
Speaker 1: After watch go watch the New Orleans and just watch
55:07
Speaker 1: the pass plays against New Orleans and you'll be you'll
55:10
Speaker 1: be begging to go against McGary. How about this question,
55:15
Speaker 1: how do you cover? Julio joked today that he would
55:21
Speaker 1: Todd Washing said they're gonna rush one and drop ten back.
55:25
Speaker 1: He's not far off, and he is as gifted and
55:29
Speaker 1: special of a wide receiver as there is in the NFL.
55:32
Speaker 1: I think there's only been a couple of him like him, Megatron,
55:36
Speaker 1: Julio Jones, I don't even I wouldn't put a j Green.
55:39
Speaker 1: I mean his marvelous plays, his physical exactly exactly. Julio
55:44
Speaker 1: is a big, fast man, big fast, strong, fifty fifty
55:50
Speaker 1: plays plays every inch of his size and every pound
55:53
Speaker 1: of his size. And uh and when he gets rolling
55:57
Speaker 1: and they and I will say this, they do a
56:00
Speaker 1: great job of hiding him. He moves a lot, and
56:03
Speaker 1: he'll play the slot, he'll play the outside receiver. They
56:06
Speaker 1: do everything with him to try and get the matchup,
56:08
Speaker 1: so it makes it hard. They don't want to. So
56:11
Speaker 1: what that does is like you asked this question, you
56:14
Speaker 1: covered in the easy, simple stupid fan question or media questions.
56:18
Speaker 1: Oh just double him. Well, now, if you're a defensive
56:20
Speaker 1: coordinat you're Todd Washing, Okay, yeah, I want to double him,
56:23
Speaker 1: But based on his alignment, that will change the coverage
56:27
Speaker 1: of who will be bracketing this individual. And by the way,
56:30
Speaker 1: if one time he's lined up outside, then he's the slot,
56:33
Speaker 1: then he's the inside guy of the bunch, the outside
56:34
Speaker 1: guy of the bunch. He's emotion can do it like you.
56:37
Speaker 1: At some point you can say we'll double him when
56:40
Speaker 1: he's in this position. But you can't have draw up
56:43
Speaker 1: a scheme where you just chase him a round with
56:47
Speaker 1: two people. It doesn't work that way. And so it's
56:50
Speaker 1: much more difficult than you think. And and I promise
56:53
Speaker 1: you people will be watching the game on Sunday, and
56:56
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen, but I bet a lot
56:58
Speaker 1: of money Julio Jones is going to catch some balls
57:01
Speaker 1: because that's just what he does. And the and the
57:03
Speaker 1: fans watching them and say, well, why don't you just
57:05
Speaker 1: double them? Well, the reason you can't double him so
57:08
Speaker 1: easily because he's everywhere. He plays every he plays the
57:11
Speaker 1: ext why he'll play the Z by the dubling, He's
57:14
Speaker 1: moving all over the formation. So uh, you know, they
57:18
Speaker 1: do a good job to do a real good job
57:21
Speaker 1: of disguising what they want to do and getting him
57:24
Speaker 1: matched up one on one six consecutive thousand yards seasons.
57:28
Speaker 1: The last time he faced the Jags, he was over
57:31
Speaker 1: a hundred yards receiving with nine receptions. And I know
57:35
Speaker 1: JP is one of his biggest fans because he loves
57:39
Speaker 1: the whole Falcons wide receiving corps when Ridley's healthy too.
57:42
Speaker 1: Will you be wearing a Julio Jones jersey on Sunday? Okay,
57:45
Speaker 1: we're just making sure we're double checking Saturday night. I
57:49
Speaker 1: know you'll be wearing it maybe, but not during the
57:53
Speaker 1: not during the game. Just checking Gay though. He's a
57:58
Speaker 1: great player, but the one thing he does do is
58:00
Speaker 1: score an equal amount of touch that you would think.
58:04
Speaker 1: You think a guy right in the red zone and
58:06
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, he hasn't struggles. Kind of weird. How
58:09
Speaker 1: about the Falcons defense? Quickly here? You know, is this
58:12
Speaker 1: a matchup where the Jaguars can move the ball a
58:15
Speaker 1: little more consistently? What's the deal with the Falcons? They
58:17
Speaker 1: play fast. I'll give you the very fast. Grady Jarrett
58:21
Speaker 1: is a really good three undersized, so I think if
58:24
Speaker 1: you can get a double on him and run at
58:26
Speaker 1: him and power, I think you can get something going
58:29
Speaker 1: against him. But when he's one on one, beast, Vic Beasley,
58:34
Speaker 1: speed guy, nothing else. Yeah, but he's playing he's he's
58:38
Speaker 1: playing better. I'm still not uh super athletic. Jarr McKinley
58:44
Speaker 1: is the guy they lost. I think Cam Robinson if
58:46
Speaker 1: he has to go against Vic Beasley. That's gonna be
58:48
Speaker 1: a tough match. You know who I worry more about
58:50
Speaker 1: his Adrian Clayborne against Cam. He's a physical guy who
58:54
Speaker 1: will work your inside shoulder and if you turn, he's
58:57
Speaker 1: gonna make it tough on you. So they're not great, Um,
59:00
Speaker 1: they're playing better as of late, much better, missing a
59:03
Speaker 1: couple of guys. Truefont on Our also got the safety
59:06
Speaker 1: count O'Neil on. I are so all right, let's come
59:09
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Speaker 1: Doug Morone Show. Right around the corner, Tony's gonna stick around.
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Speaker 1: I like that. That'll do it for a Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: On the Jaguars Digital Network