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That Life We Lived Is Over | Red Dead Redemption | Part 4 · Replay Reviews

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In this episode, John doesn't get caught with
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his pants down, but he does get caught with his
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fly down. We ride with Mexico's national gigolo.
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And we're afraid of trees. And I'm not sure if
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there even is a context to make this one make
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sense. But we'll get there. Thank you for coming
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back from our replay reviews. My name is Leah.
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And my name is Kathy. We are two friends who
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are here to replay, review, and analyze your
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favorite video games. And since Kathy has never
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seen the games before, it helps me view them
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through her fresh eyes, almost like I'm discovering
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them again for the first time. We hope it will
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be a similar experience for you. John travels
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to Abraham's camp, where Abraham asks him to
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help with a robbery. How are we feeling about
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Abraham at this point? He says about all that
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he's doing, I do it for my people. And John's
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response is a very sarcastic. Well, exactly.
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I did not expect to see this coming. I didn't
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think that Reyes would be stung with a god complex.
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And now I really don't like Reyes. He says he
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knows the people and he knows the land and he
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knows he can make it better after saying that
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he was sent for the people and the people was
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sent for him. That just rode me the wrong way,
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and it's only going to get worse. Oh, it's going
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to get worse already. Right? And already, we're
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like, dude, did you already forget about Louisa?
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Because she just disappeared. No, it's true.
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She talked him up so good that we were expecting
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this, I mean, savior, but not the kind that thinks
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he is a savior, you know? Yeah. And so far, he's
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turned out to just be shit. Mm -hmm. So they
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leave Abraham's camp and ride to Chuparosa again,
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where the robbery will take place. But on the
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way there, John grills him about the information
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he's after, and Reyes assures him that he's got
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his best men on it. John isn't being as aggressive
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as... He should be saying that, no, no, no, I'm
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not playing this game where I help you and then
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you're just going to tell me a new lead. He knows
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that John needs help. And I get he's probably
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taking advantage of him, but they make it sound
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like they're best buds, yet he's not helping
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him. And I think I'm frustrated seeing John be
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used again. It is frustrating. But from Abraham's
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perspective, he's still trying to figure John
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out a bit because he's been, you know, hopping
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the fence, playing on both sides up until now.
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And I think we see that when he starts to question
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John about his past. And this is when he talks
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about his old gang. And Dutch specifically. So
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hearing Dutch, it makes him sound like he's Robin
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Hood. But I don't think he truly is, again, because
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we know that John was left for dead. And if he
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really is for the group, he would have saved
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John. Dash reminds me of Kazama in a way where
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he's just a strategic person and he plays people
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so well that they don't know they're getting
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played. And for listeners who are joining us
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just now, Kazama is a character from our Yakuza
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series where we really hate that man. We do.
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We're in Chuparosa again. Do a train mission
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again. John hijacks the train that's full of
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army supplies. Shoot, shooting, shooting. We
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get to our destination. Abraham says, hey, steal
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whatever you want from the armored car. So we
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plant dynamite, as you do, on the lid. Did you
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die multiple times? Okay, so once. Once I did.
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At least at this part. From the dynamite. So
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I went down the ladder, right? And I thought,
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surely this is far enough because remember when
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we dynamited the jail cell with Louisa in it?
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So I figured, you know, this should be a safe
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distance. It was not. Speaking of though, there
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is an army soldier guy inside the car and he
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died. So I'm really just kind of wondering, I
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think. Landon Ricketts really almost killed Louisa.
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Anything else from the train mission? Not very
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exciting. No, just a lot of... And you had to
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use the gun that you hated? Oh, I hate Gatling
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gun missions. I hate them. I don't know what's
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worse, that or the cows, honestly. Imagine if
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you had to use a Gatling gun on the cows. See,
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that I'd be okay with. That is what I need. So
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sometime after this mission... During his travels,
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John pulls over for a bathroom break, and he
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gets jumped. But thankfully, they're Luisa's
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men. They take him to her. She tells him that
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the army murdered her father, and goes on to
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say that Reyes has requested John help stop some
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military reinforcements that are on their way
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to Escalera. I can't believe Reyes remembered
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her and knows how to reach out to her. Selective
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memory. He probably called her Laura, too. Mm
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-hmm. It's to the point where she probably is
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not sure what her real name actually is. This
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poor gal got cast that it's so hard. She forgot
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her own name. Anyways, this is the part where
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John finally gets a backbone and prioritizes
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his own problems himself and tries to talk sense
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to Louisa. He still helps her out, but still
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John has a backbone. I agree. I think that last
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mission was kind of the final straw and he's
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tired of this, but I do think he helps Louisa
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this time. Simply out of the goodness of his
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heart and not for anything else. That's sort
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of the turning point with his character. We see
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the reasons for him doing things changing. He's
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becoming more invested in the people here, I
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think. Especially Louisa, after seeing Reyes.
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So yeah, Jon helps. They set their explosive
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trap and wait for the convoy to arrive and kill
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them all. And that's pretty much it. I think
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this is also the start of seeing John's sarcasm.
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I had a quote saying that Louisa going, be honest
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with yourself and you'll be free. And then John's
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like, I must be doing it wrong. But we start
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to see his sarcastic self and I like it so much
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better. I think it's an indication that his patience
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is running out, which is what we've been waiting
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for. And I kind of like that it's manifesting
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in sarcasm because we get a lot of great lines
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out of it. And to add on to our whole conversation
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about how unoriginal the writers are with making
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names, John's son is Jack. Yeah. I've maybe even
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heard that that's like his nickname and he's
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John Jr. I don't know if that's confirmed. So
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maybe even less original than we thought. Okay.
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John spots a camp while writing and finds the
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strange man again. Do we need to listen to the
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audio this time, or did you take substantial
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notes? Let's play the audio. I didn't write the
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notes, but I... It's been a while, too. Welcome
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to Nuevo Pariso, John. Where do I know you from?
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You're famous, John. You're the man who shot
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a bunch of banditos as soon as he turned up in
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this country. You're a man who decided right
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and wrong. Between a man and death. Between a
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man and his wife. And who are you? You know,
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I admire you, John. I hope my boy turns out just
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like you. For your sake, I hope he don't. You
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kill people so easily, yet you respect the vows
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of marriage. That's very curious. I'll let the
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appropriate authorities judge my morality, friend.
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Yes, you will. And they shall. So, is he following
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John around? And why is he so into John? I don't
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know. He seems to just pop up where John is.
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He seems to know everything about him. Maybe
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we'll come back to some of these lines in the
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summary. But are there any lines that you want
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to discuss now? Not now, but I'm just curious
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about the nuns. How does he know all this and
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why is he bringing it to John is my main question.
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And this is one reason I lean towards him being
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something supernatural. He knows about what people
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are doing. And in this case, he gives John another
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test. The first time it was stop or encourage
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man from cheating. This time it's help or rob
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a nun. What happens if you don't do them or like
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you don't do it to what the guy was expecting
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you to do? I would guess not a whole lot changes.
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I don't think I've seen it, but I would guess
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it's more just some dialogue would change. Because
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in this instance, he says. You kill people so
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easily, yet you respect the vows of marriage.
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That's very curious. So he would maybe not say
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something like that? Mm -hmm. John decides to
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make a donation to the nun, and they have a nice
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little chat. Any reactions on their discussion?
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I inhaled wrong. Ugh. I'm starting to worry about
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what's going to happen to John because we know
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he wants to go back home and just leave a quiet
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life. We hear statements from him talking with
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Bonnie that, okay, I'm going to go buy some cow
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for me. I'm going to live a good life. But then
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we start to hear Louisa being like, be free.
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And now we hear her just kind of giving life
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advice. And it makes me feel like he's getting
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all this advice and he's getting pumped and hyped
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to go home only for him to either die or go home
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to his wife and kid being dead. What's the difference
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between those? I mean, one is he dies, but his
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wife and kids are okay. Or he's alive and his
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wife and kids are dead. So he's just miserable.
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Oh, they're dead. I see. Yeah. It seems like
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the overarching theme is he's trying, but he
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just can't outrun his past. So John then rides
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to check in with Louisa. She tells him DeSanta
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is overseeing a massacre at El Sepulcro, a graveyard.
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John heads out to help stop and kill him, as
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Louisa requests. This may be the first time he
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hasn't hesitated to help someone at all. probably
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because de santa betrayed him and my question
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to you though is is that good or bad does this
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point to a flaw in his morals that he wants revenge
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isn't this the sort of thing he's trying to avoid
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i thought so but then also coming right off of
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that nun scene maybe it just gave John the inspiration
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to just do whatever you need to do, get it done,
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help the people, and just get out of here. So
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they get there, and during the shootout, John
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chases down and captures a fleeing DeSanta. With
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the battle over, John beats the information out
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of him. He tells him that Javier is holed up
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at Casa Magrugada, where we've been multiple
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times. And then some of the rebels say, can we
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kill this piece of shit now, or would you like
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the pleasure yourself? I have a feeling you're
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going to have a reaction to my decision. I thought
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this is where you told me that, hey, you're going
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to like the scene. And then me, they cut to DeSantis
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shooting a man who's digging his own grave, apparently.
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And that was not what I was expecting. And then
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when you say, like, I like the scene, I'm thinking,
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like, DeSantis finally gets what he deserves.
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But it's like, no. The timing could not have
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worked out better. The scene is actively rolling
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and I'm like, you're going to love this. And
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immediately it cuts to him just shooting a guy,
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just execution square in the head. And I was
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like, oh, not that in a minute. Yeah, you're
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trying to clarify. And I knew what you're trying
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to tell me, but that was not what I was expecting.
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Oh, that was funny. I expected you to have a
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problem with me not killing him myself. I'm okay
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with it. I feel like. Okay. Other people wanted
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to kill DeSanta more than John. They probably
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had more background, like DeSanta personally
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burned their own families alive or something.
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I'm okay with that one. I think he needs to kill
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everyone else by himself. Like Bill, the big
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players, right? Okay. Yeah, I wanted to kill
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him. It just felt wrong, though, for a couple
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of reasons. john is supposed to be trying to
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be a non -outlaw but also because it felt like
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an insult to de santa to just not care about
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him enough to have to be the one to kill him
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so just spitting on him and walking away that
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just i don't know that felt way better for some
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reason and de santa knows that he isn't worth
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anything because john doesn't care about him
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and instead he's getting killed by people who
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truly hate him much more All in all, satisfying
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death here. But I think that means it's time
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for a so long. I think this is going to be an
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easy one. Straight up mother******. Absolute
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mother******. This guy is just a poop stain in
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John's existence. Did he do anything good at
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all, ever? No. No, he's a coward. And he's probably
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a rapist. And he deserves to die. He's terrible.
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He tried to kill John. No redemption for you,
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DeSanta. You're a mother******. Through and through.
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So after that, they ride to go find Javier, and
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he's not there. Big surprise. It's a trap. Thoughts?
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I like how it's a woman who tells John, you're
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stupid for believing DeSanta. And she definitely
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has a point, because... John should know better
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than to believe anything coming out of his mouth.
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It makes me glad that I didn't kill him, though.
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Because then at least it looks a little less
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like he pulled one over on John. John then rides
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to Reyes, who is occupied. Not saying it really
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graciously. I had to relearn how to blur in the
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editing software for this. And some of it I just
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straight up cut out. There's already enough noise
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to hint. It didn't need to have that scene. It
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could just be noise and John's standing outside
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the bedroom. Yeah, I reduced the audio in some
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of it too. I really wish John would scold him
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some more so he could stick up for Louisa because
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I feel like we have a friendship between John
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and Louisa and so... Oh, I thought he did. That's
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my note is John defending Louisa's honor is adorable.
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I wanted more though. I wanted him to just like...
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throw a punch at Reyes or something. You know
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what I mean? I want it to get physical and he
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just be like, you suck, Reyes. Luisa's too good
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for you. Sure. I think he does a good job of
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he stays out of it, but stays in it in a way,
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if that makes sense. Like, he's trying to stay
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on the fence with everything, but it seems that
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when it comes to Luisa, he steps over the fence
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a bit more helping her when he doesn't have to
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and lecturing Reyes about this but when John
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brings her up he says who I was not expecting
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Reyes to like yeah we got red flags but I was
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not expecting it to turn to be like this it's
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so disrespectful and I hate him and I didn't
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expect to to have this feeling towards him I
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hate him But it also makes sense that they made
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both sides, the rebels and the military, bad.
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Just bad. After all this excitement, the two
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of them leave to go find Bill and Javier. Reyes
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says that they paid Allende to hide them. And
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they ride out. Yeah. And then we get some more
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sass from John. He was also talking to Reyes
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that you can't remember the name of the woman
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you're marrying. And then Amelie. Kind of like
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a national gigolo. A man like me cannot be with
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just one woman. It would be an injustice to the
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people I have devoted my life to serve. You have
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an interesting way of serving the people. Kind
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of like a national gigolo. Amazing, John. John's
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great. So they get to the fort, but they have
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to bust through the gate. And to do so, they
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just stick John on a wagon full of dynamite.
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John is literally submerged in dynamite. And
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then John goes like, so when do we light it?
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I think, is that what he says? Well, first he
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goes, what? That sounds crazy. And then something
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like, how long is the fuse? And he just goes
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long enough and lights it. John's like, oh shit,
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I gotta go. I mean, I'm already wrong enough
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about Reyes that anything goes, but I didn't
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think Reyes would be like that crazy too. I don't
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think he cares about John anymore at this point.
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So you have to jump off the wagon before it gets
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too close. And John just lands under the wagon
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and gets dragged for a little bit. And it's hilarious.
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Did you die that time? Or was it time before?
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No, but the same thing happened on my previous
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attempt. And he got stuck under it, under it.
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And so then it exploded. And he was right there.
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He did not survive. The attack of the fort is
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underway and John searches for Javier, eventually
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finding him. I'm glad John isn't going to be
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like, let's start down our knives and guns and
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let's just do a fair fist fight because I hate
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that stuff in movies. And I like how John is
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just pure aggression at this point. But he's
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matter of fact about it. He says, I ain't the
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judge, but as it turns out, it's you or me. He's
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just here to do what he has to do. But Javier
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does try to appeal to him, saying that they didn't
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intentionally leave him years ago. They just
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thought he was dead. Okay, people need to stop
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gaslighting John. Do we need to talk about the
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way he jumps out the window? Yeah, I was going
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to bring that up. It's so funny, and I'm mad
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that John didn't see that coming. But at the
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same time, I'm kind of glad he didn't see it
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coming, because that means we could see Escuela
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jump like that. He gets the drop on John by just
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pushing a crate onto him and uses these split
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seconds to hop out the window like a stupid little
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acrobat. I have to appreciate, though, that this
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game lets you jump out the window after him.
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There's so many games that would have made you
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run all the way around out through the doors.
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So a chase begins. John eventually catches up
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to him, and he's still trying to appeal to him,
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bringing Abigail into it. And John says, Abigail
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would have killed you already. John has no patience
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left. John gets him back to the fort, locks him
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in a cell. They talk some more, Javier's getting
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a little more... bitchy. And John says, You know
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that life we lived is over. And when we was living
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it, it didn't mean nothing anyway. It was just
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an excuse, and we all knew. I find this to be
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a very fascinating line, because just a little
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bit ago we heard him... describing to Reyes that
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basically they were doing good in their own messed
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up kind of way, but now he's kind of admitting
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he still knew it was wrong. And that's the first
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time I feel like we've seen him fully admit that.
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Okay, so reinforcements arrive, and they're like,
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get to the cannon. And you know, I turned the
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radar off, so I'm like, what cannon? I went to
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an occupied cannon. Just hovering behind someone.
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Just popped up the ladder. Oh, there's someone
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there. Slide back down. So by the time I get
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to a free cannon, the battle's almost already
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over. But John delivers Javier to the Pinkertons.
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They tell John to bring in Williamson and then
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head to Blackwater because they suspect Dutch
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is in the area. And I also don't like how they
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threatened John with saying his wife's name.
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It makes me feel like she's not alive, like they
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killed her already. Yeah, they're very smug about
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it. I don't know what the right word is. Like,
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at this point, I don't know if they're alive
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or not. This is the first time we've seen them
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since the start of the game, right? Mm -hmm.
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Does this exchange give you a little more reasoning
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as to why Jon has sort of just been going along
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with things? We can see now the kind of threats
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that he's been... hearing definitely i can see
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where john's coming from i'm just mad at everyone
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for treating john like this and again he was
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a criminal but how much does he need to do in
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order to repay his sins john rides to escalera
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where the rebels have launched an attack and
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the city is in chaos reyes has been captured
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and is being beaten john tries to get the soldiers
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to let him go But Louisa runs at them with a
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knife and they shoot her, which leads to John
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shooting the soldiers. Louisa. Honey. A knife?
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What are you going to do with that? And earlier
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in this game, they're just praising how brave
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she is and smart and just how great she is. And
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I'm like, you're praising someone who's so dumb
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bringing a knife to a gunfight. I'm just, I'm
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in shock that she thought this was a good idea.
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But it's an excellent example of Abraham's persuasion
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over people. His leadership, as much of it was,
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I mean, I think a lot of it was bullshit, but
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he's still good at playing the part. To the point
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where Louisa is willing to just run at soldiers
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with a knife and get shot and killed for him.
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I'm so mad. There's multiple things. First, I
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don't think Louisa deserved to die. But moving
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on, the fact that Reyes doesn't even spare her
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a glance continues to forget her name. I was
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excited when Reyes was caught before the scene,
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but I'm frustrated with how the scene turned
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out. 100%. Should we do a so long for Louisa?
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Yeah. This one's hard for me. Because she's young
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and naive. She's not a bad person. So I don't
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want to say she's a mother. But I also do think
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that she kind of did a lot of this to herself.
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She had a lot of blinders. That was my struggle.
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I kind of want to make an exception for this
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one. I'm feeling very neutral. But I think a
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better conversation is about her character arc.
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And that helped me think about if I want to put
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her in the mother. respecter or neutral category
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my problem with this is that they made her into
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a character that's shallow and overly patriotic
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for their country she's all about like i wait
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for my country and she's just believing what
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reyes is telling her so she's very pro reyes
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And Homegirl needs to calm down with just her
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enthusiasm with everything between like honoring
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her dad and her love for her country and not
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forgiving John for helping the enemy, but then
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still needing John's help. I think it's very
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purposeful the way she's written. She's loyal
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to a fault and she gives everything to her cause,
25:31
but she does it in a way where she is brave and...
25:37
She seems like, you know, kind of powerful in
25:40
a way. She's leading her small little group of
25:42
rebels. So I think that they do a lot in writing
25:46
her character to make her formidable, I guess.
25:50
But all of this still led to her death, and I
25:53
think it's an example of how being like that
25:56
can still be a shortcoming. And it might even
26:00
be why Jon cares about her so much, because...
26:04
Maybe that's how he was for a long time with
26:06
Dutch in the gang. I think her character's not
26:10
shallow. I think it's just tragic. Because she
26:15
was cool. She was not afraid. She's young and
26:19
leading men, but she still died. For an idiot.
26:25
Because at the end of the day, she was blinded.
26:29
Anyway, final consensus on Luisa. She's not a
26:32
mother****er. I want to give her just a tad bit
26:37
into mother respecter category, but still close
26:40
to neutral. She's encouraging people to follow
26:43
a leader who they believe is best for them, but
26:47
she's not asking the questions she needs to ask
26:50
to make sure she's leading people into the right
26:54
situation. Because we know from John's perspective.
26:59
Reyes doesn't really give a shit about these
27:00
people. And so I think it's that fact that kind
27:03
of pushes it out of the mother respecter and
27:05
into the mother neutral. That she's just so blind
27:08
that it's leading other people into harmful situations.
27:12
Yeah. Jonna helps Reyes and the rebels take over
27:15
Escalera. As they are breaking the doors down
27:18
to Allende's mansion, we see Bill is with him.
27:21
And they're fleeing the mansion, talking about
27:23
taking Allende's stagecoach. They called John
27:27
a traitor, and I feel like that's such a hypocrite
27:30
when he shot John. I don't know if he shot, but
27:33
he saw John get shot twice and left him to die
27:37
both times. Come on. So, yeah, they do catch
27:42
up to the stagecoach. Allende thinks that he
27:46
can get out of this by just tossing Bill out
27:49
of the stagecoach. He says, take him, just let
27:53
me live. I think we all know Reyes is not going
27:56
to go for that. So he hesitates a little bit
28:00
in killing him, giving John and Bill some time
28:04
to chat. This is going to be something different
28:06
than what we just heard Javier say. Bill says,
28:10
Dutch wanted you dead. We all did. Well, with
28:14
that, John kills Bill as Reyes takes out Allende.
28:19
We don't get the option to take Bill in alive.
28:23
And I find that to be interesting because we
28:25
get that option with Javier. Why not Bill? Is
28:29
it just because of what John said to Bonnie about
28:31
now he's going after him the less kind way? Is
28:34
this just because Bill shot him first? My thought
28:38
was that maybe it was to make the player emotional.
28:42
That was my first reaction. But I think the choice
28:45
to shoot him is the better option because John.
28:49
at this point knows how tricky bill is that it
28:52
took him literally this long and so john's not
28:55
taking chances got a couple so longs here i don't
29:01
think there's going to be a whole lot of discussion
29:02
about these two i say we just do them at the
29:05
same time yeah bill and alende first of all bill
29:08
has a shit name william williamson yeah definitely
29:13
mother for that alone I apologize to all the
29:17
William Williamson's out there. I'm sure you're
29:19
nice. There's no redeeming quality in either
29:22
of them. Not at all. Motherfuckers for both.
29:26
They're gross. They're inbred, apparently. So
29:31
long. We're then back at Escalera, parting ways
29:35
with Abraham. John brings up Louisa, and he still
29:40
doesn't know who she is. No. I wish John shot
29:45
him. I do wish he shot him, but I do appreciate
29:48
the annoyed slash disgusted look that he has
29:52
on his face when Reyes, like he can't even look
29:54
at Reyes anymore. I'm not sad to be parting ways.
29:58
I'm glad we're leaving this whole Mexico revolution
30:03
scene because it was just, it was getting too
30:07
much and I was getting too frustrated with the
30:10
characters using John and I was getting irritated
30:13
at people like Reyes. I agree. I don't hate it
30:17
as much as some people do, but it's not great.
30:21
John travels to Blackwater having an incident
30:24
with his horse along the way. Oh my god, Leah!
30:28
Okay, out of the goodness of my heart, I decided
30:31
to help this lady that was being kidnapped. And
30:33
at some point, my horse just decides I'm going
30:35
to go wade in the water. I whistle it because,
30:38
fun fact for you, Kathy, this is a good piece
30:42
of lore about this game. John cannot swim. What?
30:45
As soon as he gets in water, like, knee -high,
30:49
he just dies immediately. Really? Yes. So I cannot
30:52
go in the water to get the horse. That's too
30:54
big a risk. So I whistle for it to summon it.
30:57
It takes a couple steps, falls deeper into the
31:00
water, does not get back up, ever. The horse
31:04
isn't even trying. It does. I don't know how
31:09
the... Was high tide... Is this, like, a sneaker
31:12
wave coming in and... And getting the horse or...
31:15
No, it's just stupid. It's just dumb. I should
31:19
have just let that lady get kidnapped. So anyway,
31:22
then John steals a horse and later finds a better
31:24
one. John arrives at Edgar Ross's office and
31:28
immediately questions Fordham, his partner, about
31:31
his family. Fordham responds, Being well looked
31:35
after. Well looked after. Why'd he say it like
31:39
that? Now he's starting to sound like Alendis
31:41
and Reyes and... Rapist, like, ugh. That's kind
31:45
of the vibe I was picking up. But I think you're
31:48
going to like how upset John gets in this scene.
31:51
He feels that they're playing games, and at this
31:54
point, Ross finally shows up and threatens John
31:57
with all the games they could play. He says,
32:01
basically, they could hang him, they could throw
32:02
him in prison, they could take his farm. The
32:05
deal is his freedom for all the men from his
32:08
old gang, and they still need Vanderland. But
32:10
they know where he is. Why did John get into
32:14
the car like that? Let me find it. Watch the
32:19
way John steps into the car. Why did he do that?
32:27
Whoever they animated it from doesn't know how
32:30
to walk. He, like, skipped into the car. Or,
32:34
like, he thought there was another step there
32:35
and there wasn't. I don't know, but it made me
32:39
laugh. So, anyway. In the car now. The three
32:43
of them head out to the boatwreck where Dutch
32:45
is supposed to be. Things get a little heated
32:47
in the car. You killed hundreds of innocent people.
33:09
You've robbed at least 40 banks that we're aware
33:12
of. They told us there was a prize when we got
33:15
to 50. Yeah, that one. I love Sassy John so much.
33:22
Continuing on that same conversation, Ross says,
33:26
The life you lived, you don't just walk away
33:28
from that, buy a few chickens, and make it all
33:30
disappear. We're giving you a chance at redemption.
33:34
I hate to say it, but he kind of has a point.
33:37
I can't disagree. I don't like how they're doing
33:40
this under duress. But it could possibly be a
33:45
win -win situation for both of them if this works
33:47
out well. As much as we hate these agents, they're
33:51
saying some things that do kind of make sense.
33:54
John is not an innocent person. They arrive at
33:59
the wreck of the Serendipity, where John and
34:01
Fordham investigate to find nobody's there except
34:04
for their informant, Nastas, tied up. Nastas
34:09
warns them that it's a trap, and weak -butt Fordham
34:12
makes John carry Nastas as they're getting shot
34:16
at all the way back to the car. Soon the car
34:20
breaks down. They're sitting ducks while Fordham
34:22
tries to get it started again. Dutch's men launch
34:25
an attack, and... Edgar Ross goes, oh, my good
34:32
God. And that's just the most proper exclamation
34:36
that I've ever heard in my life. So I had to
34:38
highlight it. He's in my vocab. Oh, my good God.
34:41
Someone jumps out at you. Oh, my good God. You
34:44
just have to. Anyway, they fight off Dutch's
34:49
men and continue on to Blackwater, where they
34:51
take Gnostis to a Professor McDougal, because
34:55
he can communicate with them. And as Ross puts
34:58
it, I just can't communicate with them. And he's
35:03
like, do you understand what I'm saying? I can't
35:06
remember what he was saying, but he was just
35:08
speaking slowly, loudly, disrespectfully. I do
35:12
love because, yeah, he does say something like,
35:15
do you understand? Do you speak English to Nastas?
35:19
And Fordham goes, yes, sir. He's our informant
35:22
and kind of laughs a little bit. He even knows
35:25
how ridiculous it is. Okay, and then after this
35:30
cutscene ends, John's on the sidewalk and this
35:33
NPC just spawns in underneath him and then vanishes.
35:38
He entered John's body. You can see me pause
35:43
and look around like, what? Did I just see a
35:46
person? I saw a ghost. Last scene in the gameplay.
35:52
John visits McDougal the next morning. This might
35:56
be one of the only times where my heritage was
35:59
the butt of a racist, of a racist encounter because
36:04
dude. Okay. So he asks John if he's Norse, right?
36:11
I'm Norse. And then he goes on to talk about
36:16
a possible case study and says about John, a
36:21
white man, but with a savage spirit. And I'm
36:26
feeling a little attacked right now. He's saying
36:29
you, Leah. Apparently I have a savage spirit,
36:34
Kathy. I mean, you do have a resting Kelly and
36:39
Murphy face. I do. I really do. He really was
36:45
sad that he couldn't split a syringe with John.
36:48
I know. He just holds out a syringe. Would you
36:51
like to partake in some cocaine? There's plenty
36:52
enough for two. And then he just shoots all of
36:55
it into his arm. Like, how much are you on? A
36:59
lot. Too much. Anything before Gnostic arrives?
37:03
Mm -mm. Okay. So he shows up. He's located Dutch
37:08
in his new gang, primarily made up of, he says,
37:10
young men from the reservation. So the three
37:13
of them head out. I don't know why McDougal is
37:15
coming. As we're riding out to this location,
37:21
we enter the forest. And McDougal says, these
37:26
trees are rather foreboding and gets all uncomfortable.
37:31
And John says, ain't you never seen trees before?
37:37
What is this exchange? I thought it was that
37:41
McDougal is high on something else besides cocaine.
37:46
Can someone who's done cocaine, can you? Explain
37:50
this. Do you look at trees and they're foreboding
37:53
if you're on cocaine? Someone help us because
37:57
we're too square to know what's happening here.
38:03
McDougal turns around because he doesn't want
38:05
to climb up the mountain. Or so he says. Maybe
38:08
it's because of the trees. And he says, I don't
38:10
have a head for heights. More of a head for highs.
38:15
Don't try to make jokes like that, buddy. It's
38:18
not funny. We are traversing a mine, and some
38:22
guy jumps out at Nastas, and the noise he makes
38:26
is comical. Why does he shriek like this? That
38:35
was, yeah, that part creeped me out. That guy
38:39
who jumped out had to have been on McDougal's
38:43
cocaine, too. 100 % thought it was Seth. I thought
38:48
so, too. Like, what is that gross dude? It's
38:54
creepy. Like, zombie -like, too. Oh, man. Okay,
39:00
well, skipping ahead, we find a lookout above
39:02
Dutch's camp. John steals the binoculars. I accidentally
39:06
push the guy off the cliff, which maybe blew
39:09
John's cover. But either way, Dutch does spot
39:13
John and shoots the binoculars, which knocks
39:14
John out. And he comes to back up McDougal's.
39:17
I guess Gnostic, even though injured, brought
39:20
him all the way down the mountain? Unreasonable.
39:23
Amazing. John leaves while the other two get
39:27
in a fight. I wish Gnostic would just slap him,
39:30
kill that guy. So he heads straight to Ross's
39:34
office, who has some intel on Dutch. It sounds
39:37
like he's coming in town to go to the bank. I
39:41
guess when Dutch goes to the bank, it's a big
39:43
thing. And how is no one questioning him what
39:46
he's doing? I think it's all part of Dutch's
39:48
plan, to be honest. They get into sniping positions
39:53
on the roof. A shootout begins. Once most of
39:55
the men have been taken down, Ross sends John,
39:58
of course, and two other men to the bank to go
40:00
get Dutch. Once they fight their way up to him,
40:03
we see that Dutch and one of his men have some
40:07
hostages. Now, this is where John and Dutch talk
40:11
for the first time in a long time. This is where
40:14
we learned that Abigail was part of the gang.
40:16
It gives more context of why John is working
40:20
so hard to be able to help maybe clear her faults
40:25
and her troubles with the law. And there will
40:28
be a line later, I think, in the next part where
40:31
Ross says something about if we don't have you
40:34
to track people down, the next person. is your
40:38
wife because she knows everybody so i think you're
40:42
right i think a big part of this is her involvement
40:44
is also adding a little more danger to to her
40:48
as well so yeah about abigail we learn well dutch
40:54
says you want the girl john you always were the
40:59
romantic sort you know gentlemen this man here
41:05
oh he married a whore Used to ride with us. We
41:11
all had her. But he married her. And you know
41:16
that makes him a better man than us. He's a better
41:21
man. Have the girl, John. Easy, Dutch. She's
41:28
a parting gift from me. And this is when he shoots
41:30
her, pushes her towards John, and makes a run
41:33
for it. First reactions to Dutch, I think, is
41:38
where we need to go. I want to shoot him. I mean,
41:41
because we knew DeSanta more, I feel like he's
41:44
a bad man. But if I knew him more, I would think
41:47
he's worse than DeSanta. This is our first encounter
41:51
with this man. And I already hate him. I feel
41:53
bad for Abigail to have her business being dragged
41:57
out like that and make her look like a whore.
42:00
I feel bad for her. I mean, technically. Huh?
42:04
She was a prostitute. So he's not just throwing
42:08
that term out there. I'm not saying it's a good
42:10
thing to say. I'm just for your context. She
42:14
was? She was a prostitute, yeah. But still, I
42:19
guess you don't need to lure John in by dangling
42:26
that piece of information for him to get more
42:29
pissed and probably illogical. I just, I hate
42:36
the guy. So there's a whole chase scene. And
42:40
then one of the guards is just the audacity to
42:42
start blaming John. Right. That this is all his
42:46
fault. How? If you're so great, you do it yourself.
42:50
Don't ask John to do it. John was at least trying
42:53
to talk to him. Yeah. They were just standing
42:56
there. What were you doing? What did you do?
42:58
Exactly. And I'm glad John developed a backbone
43:01
since leaving Mexico and he defends himself.
43:05
And then this is where we get sassy John because
43:09
he says, I should have just shot the girl myself.
43:12
I don't know if that's, I'm paraphrasing, but
43:14
that's pretty much what he's saying. And I love
43:17
the sass. I love how he says it because it drives
43:20
the point home that He did his best in those
43:25
circumstances. Otherwise, this is what I could
43:28
have done. Right. He was thinking about the hostages
43:31
in this situation. What would the police rather
43:34
have him do? What you were saying, just shoot
43:37
her? Yeah. Just shoot through her head to shoot
43:40
Dutch in the head? No. So they're writing after
43:44
Dutch's men, arguing some more as they do. There's
43:48
an interesting line John says, I'd kill you a
43:50
hundred times before Dutch if it was an option.
43:53
So we know he's not terribly fond of Dutch at
43:56
this point, but he seems to be holding on to
43:59
some sort of respect for him. How are you feeling
44:02
about that dynamic? I don't know if it's respect,
44:07
but I also don't know what it is. There's so
44:10
much history there that there's still some level
44:14
of... I don't know what the word is. Care, appreciation,
44:18
loyalty. I don't know. They kill a bunch of his
44:24
men, but Dutch is nowhere to be found, and that's
44:25
the end of the gameplay. He is still missing.
44:31
One more part left. How are you hoping this all
44:34
ends? Well, I don't know if the storyline is
44:37
going to end in this game, because I know there's
44:39
Red Dead Redemption 2, 3, 4, whatever numbers
44:43
they go up to. Of course, I'm hoping he ends
44:46
up with Abigail and Jack, but I wouldn't be surprised
44:49
if he goes home and then he has like maybe one
44:53
hour with Abigail before she was dying or something.
44:56
And then Jack is dead and he's just unhappy for
45:00
the rest of his life. They poison the well at
45:03
his ranch. Yeah. I'm hoping that he gets this
45:07
happily ever after, though. As many bad things
45:10
as he's done. He's trying to make up for it.
45:13
So, yeah, he deserves some happiness. Anything
45:17
else you want to get off your chest? No, not
45:20
quite yet. But I think it's time for a wrap because
45:23
my brain is starting to shut down. Same. No more
45:26
Wednesdays. We've been recording for an hour
45:28
and 20, which is like twice as long as we've
45:30
been recording. I jinxed it because I was like,
45:33
it's fine if we record this late. We're usually
45:34
pretty quick about it. And then, bam, hour and
45:37
a half. We spent 20 minutes for Louisa and 10
45:39
minutes for intro. 30 minutes right there. Can
45:43
we move Louisa to mother***** just for that?
45:45
Yeah, she screwed us over. Okay, audacity on
45:49
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