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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Sidebar presented by True Crime News,
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Speaker 1: taking you inside the courtrooms of high profile and notorious
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Speaker 1: cases from across the country. I'm your host, Joshua Rhetor'm
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Speaker 1: a criminal defense lay based in Los Angeles and previously
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Speaker 1: an LA County prosecutor for nearly a decade. We are
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Speaker 1: recording this on Wednesday, December seventeenth, twenty twenty five. In
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Speaker 1: this week's episode, fraudster Brian Walsh convicted a first degree
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Speaker 1: murder after the brutal slaying and dismemberment of his wife,
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Speaker 1: plus University of Michigan football coach Sharon Moore facing criminal
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Speaker 1: charges after he was terminated amid an affair with a
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Speaker 1: subordinate But first the tragic slaying of Hollywood icon Rob
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Speaker 1: Reiner and his wife Michelle as their son faces a
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Speaker 1: pair of first degree murder charges. Today, we're very happy
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Speaker 1: to be joined by Gene Rossi, a former federal prosecutor, educator,
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Speaker 1: and legal analysts you can catch on multiple outlets. Gene,
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Speaker 1: welcome back, my friend. How are you.
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Speaker 2: I'm doing well, Thanks for having me back.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and a few really incredible cases to talk about today.
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Speaker 1: The first one is, you know, I was thinking about
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Speaker 1: this earlier. Sometimes these cases happen and you don't realize
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Speaker 1: at the moment what cultural significance they will take on. However,
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Speaker 1: in this case that we're about to discuss, I feel
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Speaker 1: like it's immediately apparent that this is going to be
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Speaker 1: a watershed moment, that we're going to be talking about
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Speaker 1: this case for quite a while. Obviously, we're moving to
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Speaker 1: Los Angeles, California, where the son of Hollywood royalty is
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Speaker 1: facing a pair of murder charges after the fatal stabbings
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Speaker 1: of his mother and father in their Brentwood home. Police
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Speaker 1: arrested Nick Reiner, son of legendary director, producer, and actor
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Speaker 1: Rob Reiner, shortly after the discovery of Rob and his wife,
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Speaker 1: producer Michelle Singer Reiner. At the time of the Grizzly slayings,
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Speaker 1: Nick had reportedly been living in a guest house on
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Speaker 1: his parents' property after a long term struggle with addiction
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Speaker 1: and mental health issues. Things apparently boiled over in an
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Speaker 1: argument between the couple and son at Honen O'Brien's holiday
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Speaker 1: party the one day before the alleged murders. On Tuesday,
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Speaker 1: La DA Nathan Hoffman announced two counts of first degree murder,
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Speaker 1: along with the special circumstance of multiple murders and the
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Speaker 1: special allegations of using a deadly weapon, in this case,
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Speaker 1: a knife. The charges carried the possibility of life without
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Speaker 1: parole or the death penalty, though prosecutors haven't indicated if
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Speaker 1: they will seek the ultimate consequence for the alleged actions.
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, mourners and supporters of the reiners have
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Speaker 1: been pouring in and we will continue to update you
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Speaker 1: as this tragic case continues to unfold. First question, Gene,
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Speaker 1: and I've been getting this question a lot today, is
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Speaker 1: everybody seems to and I think probably a little bit
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Speaker 1: pre maturely, be jumping to the conclusion that this might
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Speaker 1: be an insanity defense case. They point towards his mental
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Speaker 1: health issues, towards his drug addition. What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 1: Is it a little too early for that? And what
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Speaker 1: goes into a quote unquote insanity defense?
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Speaker 2: Were an insanity defense is at the time of the crime,
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Speaker 2: you did not know right from wrong and you basically
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Speaker 2: lost your mind at the time of the crime, right,
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Speaker 2: and it's a tough defense. Hinckley did it, but then
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Speaker 2: after he was acquitted of almost killing a president, Reagan,
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Speaker 2: they changed the statute to make it harder to prove
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Speaker 2: or use the insanity defense. I think the critics are
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Speaker 2: are missing the vote here. This is a diminished capacity case.
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Speaker 2: And the reason I say that is this, if you're
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Speaker 2: going to charge somebody with criminal tax crimes, the burden
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Speaker 2: of proof the specific intent is through the roof. It's
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Speaker 2: a very high hurdle in a criminal tax case. So
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Speaker 2: if somebody when they sign their tax returns is intoxicated
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Speaker 2: under the influence of a drug, that will lower the
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Speaker 2: intent and they will be acquitted. You can make the
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Speaker 2: similar argument for first degree murder. As you know as
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Speaker 2: a prosecutor for many years, first degree murder requires premeditation, planning.
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Speaker 2: The intent level is much higher than voluntary manslaughter or
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Speaker 2: negligent homicide. So forget the insanity defense. I don't think
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Speaker 2: that's going to apply here. I don't. I think he
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Speaker 2: had mental health issues. I think he had drug issues
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Speaker 2: that can trigger a diminished capacity defense that could lower
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Speaker 2: it maybe to second degree or man's slaw or negligent homicide.
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Speaker 2: I don't think that would apply. The reason I say
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Speaker 2: that is in Charlottesville, about fifteen to twenty years ago,
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Speaker 2: there was a murder case involving a co ed who
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Speaker 2: was killed by her boyfriend, a strange boyfriend. He consumed
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Speaker 2: a case of beer. For those who don't know what
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Speaker 2: a case of beer is, that's twenty four cans of beer.
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Speaker 2: He consumed a case of beer, went to her apartment.
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Speaker 2: He was very jealous, and he basically threw her against
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Speaker 2: the wall and crushed her skull, and she died within
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Speaker 2: ten minutes. When they went to trial, they brought out
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Speaker 2: the alcohol intoxication because it showed to the jury and
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Speaker 2: they were seeking to death penalty. Showed the jury that
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Speaker 2: he had diminished capacity that could apply here. They're not
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Speaker 2: going to deny that he committed the crime. What they're
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Speaker 2: trying to goo with save his life or save life
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Speaker 2: without parole. That's that's the best defense I can think of. Now.
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Speaker 2: A third defense would be in addition to insanity, diminished
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Speaker 2: is I don't I don't know the facts. Could he
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Speaker 2: claim uh self defense or provocation? From what you told me, Joshua,
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Speaker 2: and before we started that mister Reiner and his lovely
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Speaker 2: wife were allegedly murdered in their bed, So that kind
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Speaker 2: of mitigates against the self defense. If those are the facts.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to I want to tease that out
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Speaker 1: with you a little bit because I think that's a
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Speaker 1: really important point, and we don't we don't know. I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you about things that have been reported by other
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Speaker 1: media outlets and none of this has been confirmed by
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Speaker 1: l A p D or the District Attorney's office. But
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Speaker 1: talk to us why the circumstances of the murder might
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Speaker 1: be so important as far as what defenses could be pursued,
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Speaker 1: Because to your point, it's very different if they were
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Speaker 1: found in their beds, murdered in their beds, or if
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Speaker 1: there appears to have been some struggle that took place
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Speaker 1: in the kitchen, let's say, and he happened to grab
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Speaker 1: a kitchen knife. Talk us through that, I mean, the
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Speaker 1: manner of the death, where it occurred.
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Speaker 2: And the amount of stab wounds or evidence of fighting
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Speaker 2: or anything like that. That could all go towards his
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Speaker 2: defense that he was provoked, and he was under the
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Speaker 2: influence of drugs, either alcohol or some other hallucinogenic substance,
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Speaker 2: and he also had mental health issues. All those things
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Speaker 2: together sort of the gestalt will go to his state
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Speaker 2: of mind. They are going for first degree and first
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Speaker 2: degree requires a heck of a lot more specific in
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Speaker 2: tent than second or manslaughter, as you know, So anything
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Speaker 2: that can penetrate or put a hole in the narrative
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Speaker 2: that the police are going to say that he planned
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Speaker 2: this because of some argument a couple of days or
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Speaker 2: the day before at Conan O'Brien's party, that that was
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Speaker 2: his motive. He was just angry. Anything that goes against
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Speaker 2: that narrative would help the defense.
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Speaker 1: One last question on this case. It is a special
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Speaker 1: circumstance case, meaning that on the table is potentially the
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Speaker 1: death penalty if the prosecution decides to pursue that, and
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Speaker 1: even if they don't, the bare minimum that he's looking
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Speaker 1: at if he's convicted at first degree murdered with special
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Speaker 1: circumstances is life without parole. But I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about the pursuit of the death penalty. We know in
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Speaker 1: California it's on a moratorium because of the governor, but
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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that individual counties can't still pursue and
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Speaker 1: have somebody convicted and sentenced to death. Do you think, though,
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Speaker 1: from what we know so far, and I know it's
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Speaker 1: early on, but that there are some psychological substance abuse
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Speaker 1: issues at play. Do you think this is the type
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Speaker 1: of case where they might pursue the death penalty because
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Speaker 1: it is particularly heinous.
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Speaker 2: First off, when you make a decision to pursue the
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Speaker 2: death penalty, you should have a reasonable basis that you're
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Speaker 2: going to get a verdict of death.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know what they're if they're if they're
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Speaker 2: thinking about it in the mister Hawkman's office. But if
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Speaker 2: they seek the death penalty, it's going to lose. It's
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Speaker 2: going to lose. There is no jury in the land,
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Speaker 2: especially in Hollywood or any place in California, well in
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Speaker 2: Hollywood that would would find a death penalty for the
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Speaker 2: son of Robin Michelle. Tragic. Their deaths may be. I
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Speaker 2: don't think they're going to take the son's life, uh,
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Speaker 2: to to balance it out, if you were a drug dealer,
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Speaker 2: maybe I will say this, if they do seek the
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Speaker 2: death penalty, all the stuff about his mental health, his addiction,
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Speaker 2: that's going to come out in the penalty phase after
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Speaker 2: he's found guilty. I assume he would be found guilty.
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Speaker 2: The only benefit that they would find here in this
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Speaker 2: case is if you have a death penalty case. I've
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Speaker 2: not tried one observed. I supervised a little bit. If
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Speaker 2: you seek the death penalty, you're almost guaranteed a guilty
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Speaker 2: verdict on intent, You're almost guaranteed. So they would get
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Speaker 2: a guilty verdict on first degree, but the jury would say, okay, prosecutors,
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Speaker 2: we gave you a first degree, we gave you your
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Speaker 2: Christmas present, Okay, your holiday gift. But on the penalty thing,
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Speaker 2: we're not buying it. We're not buying it. So if
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Speaker 2: one juror says no, it's life. And I'll give you
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Speaker 2: a great example. Zachaveya Musawi was tried in federal court
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Speaker 2: zero point eight mile from my home I worked in.
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Speaker 2: I worked in the US Attorney's office for almost twenty years.
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Speaker 2: I was there when they were trying Mussawi. For those
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Speaker 2: who don't know who that is, he was the twentieth
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Speaker 2: hijacker on nine to eleven. He was the guy who
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Speaker 2: who messed up and he was incarcerated. I guess on
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Speaker 2: an immigration issue. When the planes flew into the Trade
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Speaker 2: Center and the Pentagon and then the one that crashed
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Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. He was the twentieth guy, but they charged
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Speaker 2: him anyway because he was part of a conspiracy. When
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Speaker 2: they got to the death penalty phase because he basically
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Speaker 2: pleaded guilty. He did plead guilty, and then he fought
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Speaker 2: the death penalty. One juror held out. It was eleven
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Speaker 2: to one for death, one held out life. So if
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Speaker 2: they do that, if they seek the death penalty, which
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Speaker 2: I don't think they will, it's it could help Nick Reiner,
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Speaker 2: could help Nick, Nick.
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Speaker 1: Reiner, Yeah, I agree with you, though I don't. My
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Speaker 1: experience with the DA's office in Los Angeles, they kind
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Speaker 1: of reserve that penalty for really the worst of the worst,
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Speaker 1: not trying to make any excuses that this is stored
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Speaker 1: a horrible murder. But we're not talking about, you know,
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Speaker 1: murder with in the course of torture or in the
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Speaker 1: course of some sort of sexual assault or something where
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Speaker 1: you would really expect them to pursue that. But we
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Speaker 1: will see, they still have time to decide, and we're
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Speaker 1: gonna have to leave that case there for now. We
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Speaker 1: will obviously be following it closely. Let's move now to Dedham, Massachusetts,
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Speaker 1: with the case of a father accused of killing and
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Speaker 1: dismembering his wife. Unfolded like a slow plea after his
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Speaker 1: present his defense presented no witnesses, and a jury convicted
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Speaker 1: the man of first degree murder. Brian Walsh, admitted to
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Speaker 1: dismembering his wife Anna and lying to police about her
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Speaker 1: whereabouts before the start of the trial, but denied having
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Speaker 1: any part in her death. Walsh's defense insisted the mother
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Speaker 1: of three died a sudden and unexpected death and maintained
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Speaker 1: the man disposed of her body in a panic, hoping
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Speaker 1: to keep the women's passing a secret from their children. However,
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Speaker 1: Walsh declined to testify on his own behalf, and this
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Speaker 1: defense opted to avoid questioning their own expert witnesses or
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Speaker 1: calling disgrace State Trooper Michael Proctor to the stand, who
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Speaker 1: was a key figure in the investigation. Though police never
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Speaker 1: recovered on his body. Walsh faced a mountain of circumstantial
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Speaker 1: evidence from prosecutors, including disturbing searches for topics related to
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Speaker 1: dismembering a body and d and a found on tools
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Speaker 1: likely used in her mutilation, including gardening clippers and a
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Speaker 1: hack saw. Ultimately, jurors couldn't stomach Walsh's explanation, adding a
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Speaker 1: first degree murder charge to his rap sheet. With the
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Speaker 1: convicted killer scheduled for sentencing this week to you starting
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Speaker 1: off on this gene is in opening statements, his attorneys
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Speaker 1: get out there and they say, ladies and gentlemen, this
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Speaker 1: is what you're going to hear happened. And they get
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Speaker 1: very specific about how he found her body, how he
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Speaker 1: nudged her body, how after nudging her she fell off
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Speaker 1: the bed, things that only Brian Walsh would know. And
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Speaker 1: it was all but a given that he was going
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Speaker 1: to testify. And then he does it, and we know
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Speaker 1: that's his decision, But did he hang his attorneys out
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Speaker 1: to dry by giving that kind of defense up to
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Speaker 1: the you know, in the beginning, and then at the
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Speaker 1: end he doesn't testify and they're left kind of awkwardly arguing,
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Speaker 1: what do you think see did?
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Speaker 2: And I'll tell you why. James Scanderito Junior was a
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Speaker 2: Florida man. Another Florida man. Yeah, almost identical facts. He
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Speaker 2: was a charge with first degree murder. He dismembered, chopped
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Speaker 2: up his father. His defense through opening fence. Dirdy got
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Speaker 2: up there and went into all the details. They don't
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Speaker 2: deny that he dismembered his dad, but Scandorito's defense was
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Speaker 2: and he took the stand. He took the stand. And
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Speaker 2: I when I watched that on Long Crime and he
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Speaker 2: took the stand, I said, this is Boulogney. He was
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Speaker 2: acquitted a first degree murder. Wow, he chopped up his
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Speaker 2: father dropped him off at golf course and this, that
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Speaker 2: and the other thing. Dumpsters, you know, they had him
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Speaker 2: going to you know, getting products to chop them up bags.
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Speaker 2: You know what his defense was, I was high on cocaine.
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Speaker 2: I was so high, was climbing the ceiling, diminished capacity.
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Speaker 2: My father was it was snorting coke with me. He
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Speaker 2: had a heart attack and I panicked. I didn't think
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Speaker 2: anyone would believe me that I was sharing coke with
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Speaker 2: my father and he had a heart attack and died.
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Speaker 2: So I panicked and I dismembered him. Threw them all
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Speaker 2: over the golf course wherever he put him, and he
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Speaker 2: took the stand. The jury believed them, believed him. But
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Speaker 2: it gets to your point, which is very important. And
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Speaker 2: in the opening they put they they fronted it. They
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Speaker 2: fronted it. In the wallsh case, they fronted it. What
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Speaker 2: I think happened here is the jury was expecting him
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Speaker 2: to testify and they may have. You know, they're not
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Speaker 2: supposed to take this into consideration. They may have subconsciously
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Speaker 2: punished him because, hey, we heard all this stuff in
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Speaker 2: the opening. When it came time to present anything, you
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Speaker 2: guys didn't present anything. I don't think they put on
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Speaker 2: a witness right now, I don't think so. I think
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Speaker 2: that hurt them that they didn't even try to put
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Speaker 2: on a defense. So your question was, do you think
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Speaker 2: they held it against them? Hindsight, Monday morning quarterbacks never
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Speaker 2: throw interceptions. I think it was a mistake for him
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Speaker 2: not to take the stand, because if he took the stand, Joshua,
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Speaker 2: he'd say, I did everything they accused me of doing.
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Speaker 2: When it comes to dismembering her body, I did all
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Speaker 2: of that, but I didn't kill her. What I didn't do,
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Speaker 2: what I didn't do. It sounds crazy. That's the only defense.
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Speaker 2: But Scanderrito Junior, James Scanderito Junior, took the stand and
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Speaker 2: they acquitted him. Now, what did he get for a sentence?
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Speaker 2: He got the max on i'll call it the dismembering
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Speaker 2: a body statue. He got fifteen years. That was the max.
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Speaker 2: So this trial was about four years ago. He's still
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Speaker 2: in prison.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you make an excellent point that doesn't
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Speaker 1: get talked about enough. And that is jurors may not
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Speaker 1: have entirely and I'm not trying to say they didn't
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Speaker 1: follow the law, but they may not have been all
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Speaker 1: that entirely concerned with first degree and premeditation and second degree.
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Speaker 1: But they say to themselves, you didn't even really care
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Speaker 1: to testify or to put on a defense or call
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Speaker 1: any witnesses. So why are we going to care all
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Speaker 1: that much? We believe you're guilty. Prosecutions asking for first
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Speaker 1: degree sounds good to us. Who knows could have been
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Speaker 1: one of those situations.
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Speaker 2: It could have It could have.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, at the end of the day, it's a
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Speaker 1: done deal. He is convicted first degree murder in Massachusetts.
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Speaker 1: He's going to be set in this sentence this week,
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Speaker 1: and he's looking for life without parole. So as a
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Speaker 1: dramatic a case as it was, in dramatic a trial
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Speaker 1: as it was, he didn't certainly do himself any favors. Finally,
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Speaker 1: to Pittsfield Township, Michigan, the book, maines head football coach
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Speaker 1: is facing criminal charges after the demise of his extramarital
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Speaker 1: affair and the termination of his employment. Sharon Moore was
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Speaker 1: let go from the University of Michigan following an investigation
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Speaker 1: into an inappropriate relationship with a female staffer. More forfeited
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Speaker 1: get this twelve point three million dollars remaining on his
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Speaker 1: three year contract due to the Universe Thory firing him
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Speaker 1: for cause. After he was terminated, More allegedly broke into
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Speaker 1: his former paramore's home for raiding the woman for ruining
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Speaker 1: his life. The victim claims that Moore then grabbed two
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Speaker 1: knives from her kitchen, intimidating the woman before threatening to
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Speaker 1: take his own life. Allegedly, Moore left the residence, claiming
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Speaker 1: that his blood was on her hands. Officers later arrested
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Speaker 1: More on a funny charge of third degree home invasion,
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Speaker 1: along with misdemeanors for stalking as well as breaking and entering.
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Speaker 1: More has pled not guilty to the charges and is
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Speaker 1: free on bond, but subject to conditions including GPS monitoring
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Speaker 1: an indatory mental health treatment. Well. No charges for assault
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Speaker 1: have been filed. The victim's attorney claims that More demonstrated
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Speaker 1: a history of domestic violence throughout the affair, and we
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Speaker 1: will continue to keep you updated with any new developments.
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Speaker 1: I want to get into how this man ruined his
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Speaker 1: own whole life. But first, I'm curious, what are your
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Speaker 1: thoughts are as a former prosecutor on the crime itself?
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Speaker 1: Do you how serious is this?
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Speaker 2: You mean breaking into his girlfriends?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're breaking into the apartment and the arming
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Speaker 1: yourself with a knife and all of that. In other words,
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Speaker 1: of this file landed on your desk, What is your
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Speaker 1: opening offer to these people?
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Speaker 3: To him, Oh, God, Joshua, I would probably be very
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Speaker 3: generous with this guy if he has no criminal record.
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Speaker 2: If he has a criminal record, I wouldn't be I
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Speaker 2: wouldn't be generous. But if there's a criminal record, or
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Speaker 2: he has a history or instances uncharged of violence or threats,
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Speaker 2: I would be so generous. I read something in your
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Speaker 2: summary to me that the victim here, the paramore is
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Speaker 2: as you called it, the paramore will testify if she
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Speaker 2: has to, that there were other instances besides the one
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Speaker 2: where he took the knife and he was threatening to
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Speaker 2: kill himself. But my plea offer in this case, given
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Speaker 2: his position, given his relationship with the victim, I don't
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Speaker 2: know if I'd be generous. I don't know if I'd
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Speaker 2: be generous even if he has a clean record.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta say, maybe I'm in the minority here,
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Speaker 1: but I feel like it should be treated far more
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Speaker 1: seriously than it seems to have been treated thus far
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Speaker 1: in Michigan. And maybe there's I don't know, some a
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Speaker 1: little bit of favoritism going on to a former head
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Speaker 1: coach or what have you. I don't you know. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to throw around allegations, but if I feel
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Speaker 1: like if this landed on my desk as a prosecutor
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Speaker 1: and I knew nothing about this person, you break into
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Speaker 1: somebody's home, you have a domestic violence for history with them,
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Speaker 1: and you arm yourself with a weapon, I'm offering you
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Speaker 1: prison time any day of the week. What do you think?
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Speaker 2: Probably scared to live in daylights out of the victim.
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Speaker 2: And here's the other thing, And this is probably why
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Speaker 2: I couldn't prosecute the case. I think he got off
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Speaker 2: with a slap on the wrist for his involvement with
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Speaker 2: that cheating scandal. That's another issue. So that should play
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Speaker 2: any role because he was never charged. But I as
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Speaker 2: a prosecutor, if I were, you know, sitting at my
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Speaker 2: desk and they flop this file on me, I probably
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Speaker 2: have to recuse myself. I gotta I gotta confess I
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Speaker 2: am not a big Michigan fan. I am not a
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Speaker 2: big Michigan fan. So my views. I like the buck Eyes,
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Speaker 2: but I'm a Michigan hater. I'm a Michigan hater.
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Speaker 1: Fair enough, Well, I appreciate your integrity and saying you'd
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Speaker 1: have to recuse yourself. Last question on this, and it's
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Speaker 1: not even so much from a criminal justice perspective, but
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Speaker 1: guy Walks and me for millions of dollars, probably his
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Speaker 1: marriage falling apart, professional life falling apart. Do you think
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Speaker 1: his career is over or is there any chance of
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Speaker 1: him coming back and coaching somewhere again.
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Speaker 2: My sons were involved in football and the underbelly of football,
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Speaker 2: recruiting and all that. At least one of them, I
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Speaker 2: can tell you this. Coaches in college football, I'd say
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Speaker 2: a lot of them. They need to get their moral
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Speaker 2: compasses readjusted. It's a dog eat dog world. Is this
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Speaker 2: going to hurt him? I don't think this will affect
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Speaker 2: him down the road. It'll affect him for a couple
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Speaker 2: of years, but he'll bounce back because it's college football,
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Speaker 2: and if they think you're a good coach, they'll take
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Speaker 2: you incredible.
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Speaker 1: Well, who knows, We'll see. We'll see this where this
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Speaker 1: ends up. In about five years down the road, I'll
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Speaker 1: call you up and say you were right. But in
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Speaker 1: the meantime, Gene, thank you so much. It's always a
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Speaker 1: pleasure speaking with you. I always appreciate hearing your insights.
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Speaker 1: Where can people find out more about you? Do you
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Speaker 1: have a so?
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Speaker 2: I got my ex handle. My former Twitter handle is
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Speaker 2: a Rossi the number four va Rossi four va excellent.
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