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The Trump Assassination Plots (Ken Silva - Author and Journalist) · World Ablaze with George Fontes

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Welcome back to another World Ablaze. Today, I
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have investigative reporter, headline USA editor and author
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Ken Silva on the show. Ken's been deep into finding out the
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truth behind the assassination attempts on president Donald J.
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Trump and has written what has been called the most
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comprehensive collection of available information to date
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with the book titled The Trump Assassination Plots, What the
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Investigations Missed and Why It Matters. And with that being
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said, I'm gonna bring Ken into the room here.
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Welcome, Ken. Thank you for making the time to be here.
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Oh, the pleasure is all mine. Thanks for having me.
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So you've been on quite the tour lately. You've
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been Tucker Carlson, you've been on provoked with Daryl Cooper
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and forgot his name, but anyway, it doesn't matter, know, pretty
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well recognized shows. But regardless, thank you for being
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here. And I want to dive deep into this with you because this
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is the assassination attempts on Trump seem to be a never ending
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thing. We just had another one this year in February 2026 at
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Mar A Lago.
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And a lot of this got kicked off, at least it seems like your
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interest got kicked off of this like all of ours did with the
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Butler, Pennsylvania Assassination Attempt. And so
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with that, I want to start out with a few things before we dive
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into whatever is new information, for example. So I
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want to start with the obvious. Now you're probably tired of
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talking about it, I'm sure, but who the hell is Thomas Crooks?
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Because this was a really strange one.
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And this this is, of course, everybody we're referring to the
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Butler Pennsylvania assassination attempt, where
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Trump's ear was pretty much shot off. And so Thomas Crooks was an
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anomaly in where it seems like he came out of nowhere. The
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history of of who he is is still up in the air. He allegedly had
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no digital footprint, yet the FBI has 75,000 pages on him. And
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then there's other things that happened there.
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And and we'll get into that. But if you can help us understand
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through your findings, who is Thomas Crook?
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Sure. Well, you know, the book pretty much gets to the
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bottom of what exactly happened on July 13 in Butler in terms
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of, you know, a blow... Chapter one is pretty much an action
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scene from 6AM that morning through the night, and it
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outlines all the security failures. Like, I've got that
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covered very well. Who is Thomas Crooks?
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That's still kind of the $64,000 question. I mean, I've got a
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biography on him. Think I it's chapter seven of the book, but
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we still don't know because by all accounts, his life, his
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family life, his life as a student, people who knew him in
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real life, all viewed him as a well behaved kind of likable, if
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introverted young man, very smart, went to a community
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college for engineering, really excelled, graduated at the top
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of his class, was planning to go to a four year university that
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fall. In fact, according to community college emails I
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obtained, he was still making those plans as late as June. On
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June 14, he's emailing faculty about the status of his diploma
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because he needed that for proof of graduation.
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And then less than a month, ends up dead on a roof. So it's
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really quite the mystery. It does seem like he was living
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almost a double life, a secret life online, where he was into
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much more radical topics. We know this because there's been a
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limited data leak, guess. An investigator obtained YouTube
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comments from 2020 where he's openly talking about things like
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assassinating US politicians, which would portend what he
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would try to do four years later.
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So there is that, and I do think that tells you something. But
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there's still a lot of unanswered questions as far as
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crooks goes.
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No, there is. And what's weird is, you know, as
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even you have said in previous interviews where you have even
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said it was strange that there's 75,000 pages of information the
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FBI has, but yet he somehow didn't exist. And I remember
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when this happened because I did a show on this too because you
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know, everybody was talking about it. Mean, they tried to
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kill the president Donald Trump, right? But I remember seeing his
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social media feeds and posts online, and everybody was trying
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to save them, screenshot them, whatever they could because
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everyone was trying to talk about what was going on and then
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the next day everything was gone.
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And it's so strange that they're saying he wasn't he wasn't on
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line. He was... He didn't exist, but yet we all know he did, and
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the FBI doesn't want to admit what they have on him. And I
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guess it's because it's still a pending investigation, even
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though it has been said that there is no investigation. So
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it's kind of a...
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It's it's like, where the hell are we at? Right? Like, it
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doesn't make any sense.
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Well, they're playing legal games because, you know,
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Cash Patel, the FBI director, gave an interview over a year
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ago to I think Maria Bartiromo where he said, well, the case is
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closed, Thomas Crooks acted alone, and there's nothing
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really here to see. When I heard that, I'm like, oh, case is
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closed. Know, now they could disclose the records. So I filed
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a FOIA and I get a response back saying, no, we can't give you
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these records because there's still pending law enforcement
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actions. In other words, the case is still open.
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Directly contradicting what Patel said. But yeah, like I
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said, this seems like they're just playing legal games in
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order to withhold these records. The the thing about him not
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having an Internet presence of the FBI, that's a little bit of
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a misconception that everybody says that, but the FBI did say
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in the weeks after the assassination attempt that, you
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know, he had Discord account, other accounts. What the FBI did
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say though is that he wasn't communicating with anyone,
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which, the recent records have proven that to be false too. He
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was communicating with people, including a, neo Nazi on the
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state department watch list from Norway, which is just tells you
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that he had to have been on law enforcement's radar in some
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capacity, in my opinion.
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Right. And so that leads to things as we're
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talking, I'm just thinking because, know, obviously that
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stands out here is Thomas Crook came out of nowhere out of the
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shadows. We still don't know what his real motivations were.
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Not really. They say he act alone, but it doesn't seem like
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someone like this with everything that happened and how
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it played out.
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It really doesn't seem like he was. And this is just conjecture
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and opinion, and I'll say it is, but it seems like there was
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someone definitely helping him or had a hand in guiding him.
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Because, I mean, when we're talking about what happened,
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like the security failures, which I know you're covering
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your book, but still, how does he get past security to the
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point that he could walk in with a rangefinder, able to get a
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weapon inside, able to scale the building on the air conditioning
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unit? How does all this happen if it seems like people aren't
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looking the other way? And then the response by Secret Service,
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which is slow and lacking, for example, the miscommunications.
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There's just so much here that doesn't line up to where crooks
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would be a lone gunman, as many would say. Do Do you have any
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other info on that, or am I off base on on this?
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No. I I think you're on the right track. I mean, he
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was building bombs. That's... He's like a really smart kid,
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but that's usually not something that you just do on your own.
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Usually somebody is providing some sort of guidance, with
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complicated things like ammonium nitrate bombs, which is what
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Timothy McVeigh and others involved using the Oklahoma City
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bombing. So I think... And, you know, like I said, he's talking
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to this neo Nazi in 2020 about assassinating politicians on
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YouTube. That gets you flagged to law enforcement definitely
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for sure. Whether that was an email that just sat in the FBI's
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computer or the agents actually knocked on his door, you know,
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it seems like he was in contact and he was on law enforcement's
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radar.
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There's one thing you said I do wanna clear up. How did he get
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the gun so close to Trump? And that was just egregious security
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failure. Whether it's unintentional, I don't know. But
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they set up the site so that the Butler Farm show where Trump was
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speaking was the only site where you'd have to pass through metal
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detectors to get into the crowd.
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The problem with that is that the AGR Building that crooks
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shot from the rooftop from... That's outside of the site, even
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though it's like a 150 yard clear line of sight to Trump.
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And what happened there is the campaign was supposedly supposed
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to have parked giant trucks and farm equipment on that fence
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line that would have blocked a line of sight so nobody could
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have, you know, gotten a view of Trump from that rooftop. But
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then, you know, the Secret Service shows up that morning
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and the equipment's not there and they let the event go on
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anyways, which is totally inexcusable. Yeah.
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No. I I I get that, but it's it's still a huge failure in
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security.
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And especially with such a high pro... And we're
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talking about former president president running to be
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reelected, and it's it's like, how do you... How was that
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looked over? Like, that's not just an oversight in my opinion.
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It's it's either Out oversight.
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Training inept people that should not have been in the
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position they were for sure, Or it was somehow intentional, and
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maybe not intentional to where we can see it right out the
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gate, but someone made a call, it could have been as simple as
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going, Oh, don't worry about it, we'll do that tomorrow. And I've
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seen that at events. So that could be also possible. And I'm
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not trying to be conspiratorial here, Ken, but there's so much
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about this that doesn't make any sense to anybody, especially the
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fumbling of how the FBI has handled this with Kash Patel and
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under Dan Bondino at the time. Like it just doesn't add up.
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All the way to crooks training, as you said, he was talking to
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Nazis from overseas on how to make bombs. I mean, there's so
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many things that just like a kid like this that had a history of
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being a good kid, a good student, everything lines up for
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him to be a model citizen, and all of a sudden, he's on a
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rooftop trying to kill President Donald J. Trump. Just doesn't
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add up. So aside from that, there's also...
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We need to clear up who actually stopped Thomas Crooks because a
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lot of credit is given to the shooter, right? Of the SWAT
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team. Was it the sniper team of the Secret Service?
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Secret Service. Yeah. And that's... You know, you talk
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about security failures. This to me is the biggest of them all
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and the biggest scandal of them all.
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You know, the clear line of sight is obviously a huge deal.
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I think most people remember the ridiculous excuse from the
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former Secret Service director for why they didn't have snipers
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on top of that AGR Building. She said, oh, well, the roof was too
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sloped, which, you know, she got laughed out of the room. She
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resigned in disgrace. Right.
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But that led to people saying, the roof wasn't covered at all.
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When in fact, there were two teams of secret service snipers
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on Barnes behind Trump. One over his right shoulder, one over his
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left shoulder. And the one... Those snipers had coverage of
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the roof.
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But so when the shooting happens, Crooks gets off eight
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shots in the first five seconds. The first one wings Trump's ear.
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You know, he grabs his ear, falls to the ground, secret
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service piles onto him, and then he starts spraying randomly. And
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immediately after the eighth shot from Crooks is a ninth shot
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that in fact came from a local cop on the ground. And that this
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is all in the first five seconds.
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And then that's that there's, you know, Crooks doesn't shoot
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again. Ten whole seconds passes by and then the secret service
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sniper finally puts that final bullet through Crooks. You go
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back and listen to it. That's pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop,
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pop, pop, and then ten seconds and then a final shot. That's
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the secret service sniper.
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So if you count it, it took them over fifteen seconds in total to
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return fire and ten seconds after the situation had already
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been effectively nullified. So, you know, fifteen seconds is a
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really long time. If I stopped talking and we just let fifteen
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seconds of dead air, people would think, you know, their
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devices are malfunctioning or something. It would get awkward.
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You could chalk it up again to incompetence.
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There's rumors that some of these guys were out late
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drinking at a bar called Tequila Cowboy in Pittsburgh, you know,
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kinda like they were the night before the JFK assassination.
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However, his congressional testimony is contradictory. He
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initially said, this guy's name is David King, Trump's sniper.
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He says that he took so long because he didn't see Thomas
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Crooks until Crooks had stopped firing. But then the senate
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Homeland Security Committee obtained his own notes where he
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writes down immediately after the incident.
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You know, law enforcement always writes their reports as soon as
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possible. And his own report says that he saw crooks crawling
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into place with a rifle before the shooting started. Meaning he
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had an eye on the guy with a rifle and it still took him
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fifteen seconds to return fire. You know, was he told to stand
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down and let crooks get off a shot? I wouldn't go that far,
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but it's still a scandal because, you know, the FBI, the
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secret service, they say this is the guy that saved the day.
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Even Trump thinks that. He said a couple of months ago, you
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know, David King, he's my hero. I see him every day. I tell him,
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David, I love you. And that means this guy is still on
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Trump's security detail despite really, I think, failing that
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day.
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Yeah, I don't I don't know if the tinfoil hat people
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need to go so far as to assuming the Secret Service themselves
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are in on this. But I think there are procedural failures
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that can't be accounted for or really explained. So the fifteen
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second gap in reaction, for example, if he actually saw him
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crawling into position, why did it take so long to react and or
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get the communications off? I recall, I think you mentioned in
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another show previously that there was communications, but
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they weren't going through the channels directly. It was like a
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roundabout way of getting something like something said to
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the right person before they can actually make a decision.
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Is that correct? What was their communication issues in terms of
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chain of command and whatnot?
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The local radio center and the Secret Service
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radio centers were segregated, where the local cops have this
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like trailer that they're operating out of. And the secret
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service guys are in this room, like hundreds of yards away. And
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so, you know, the locals first spot crooks with a rangefinder
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lingering outside of the perimeter that, you know, ticks
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off their spidey senses. They put that out over the local
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radios. And then, you know, the local...
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The guy operating the local radios has to pick up his cell
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phone, call a Pennsylvania state police trooper who's in the
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Secret Service Command Center, and tell him, hey, guy out here
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with the rangefinder. And then that PSP trooper passes along
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the message to the guy running the Secret Service radios. But
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the thing is the secret service radio operator never put that
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information out over the radios. They sent like one or two agents
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supposedly to go help with the search, but they never put...
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Even when they got information that he was on the rooftop, they
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never put that out over the radios.
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And that's significant because when they got the info on crooks
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being on the rooftop, Trump was speaking at this time. If they
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put that out over the radios, the agents by the stage would
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have gotten the message, and perhaps they could have taken
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Trump off stage.
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Yeah. That that is what the expectation would have
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been. The only thing I could think of is maybe they wanted to
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make sure there was imminent danger or threat. Maybe they
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thought they had it in control long enough for Trump to get
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airtime. Who knows?
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Who knows? But it is very strange how that was handled. I
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mean, these are supposed to be some of the best people we have
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to protect a president-elect, former president. Like I said, a
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lot of it to me doesn't add up, a lot of it to most Americans.
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It just doesn't make sense whatsoever.
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And again, look, I'm not going to keep harping on how the
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Secret Service handled things, because we know they made a
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mistake. It was obvious, they can't hide it. But the enigma
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here, as you said earlier, the biggest question is still Thomas
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Crooks. Like, where did he come from? How did he come to think
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this way?
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What were his actual motivations? Did someone get to
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him? There's just so much that is unanswered. And I don't know
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if through your investigations, if you have any more new
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information or possible evidence that you can tell us that that
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that can basically help us understand Crooks a bit more, or
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you have anything else to add on him?
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Well, we've gotten new... The FBI has been
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trickling out records. We've gotten new information and we
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could certainly get into all that. But I would I guess my
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best answer for you would be to say that Crooks again with these
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comments talking to a neo Nazi about assassinating politicians
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in 2020, that tells me that he fit a certain profile of these
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kids we're seeing increasingly online and fringe Discord chat
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rooms or telegram chat rooms that glorify school shooters
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that talk about terrorism, mass shootings. We're seeing more and
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more of these shooters coming out of these fringe chat rooms.
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The way I put it, there's like point 1% of the population who
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might be into these subjects, but they're all getting in the
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same chat rooms. And a, that normalizes the behavior with
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each other where they're like, oh, there's up 20 other people
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just like me. And b, it's like a watering hole. They're all
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together and they can be manipulated by predators,
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whether that's foreign state actors, FBI informants, or
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things like that. And there's numerous historical examples of
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this, like the twenty fifteen Garland shooting where there was
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a fair in Garland, Texas that had draw the prophet Muhammad
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contest and some radical Muslims tried to shoot it up.
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Well, it turned out that, like, there was an FBI informant in a
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chat room with them that told him, quote, tear up Garland.
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There was an undercover agent with them. This all got exposed
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because an undercover agent with them was arrested by the local
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cops after the shooting. They initially thought he was one of
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the shooters, and then it turned out the FBI had this
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infiltrator. They were provoking these guys.
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There's, like, the twenty twenty two Buffalo shooting where a
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white supremacist shot up a top supermarket. Turns out that he
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was in a chat room with a, quote, retired federal agent who
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was in the chat room, like, thirty minutes before the
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shooting. And then there's even a Trump assassination plot where
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last year, this kid named Nikita Kassup in Wisconsin, he killed
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his parents because two Ukrainians convinced him to do
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that, steal their money, and then wire the Ukrainians a bunch
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of money. The Ukrainians supposedly were gonna send him
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coordinates to a safe house where he could go get equipment
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like drones to kill Trump, and they were gonna blame it on
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Russia and start World War three. And this is all in court.
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The kid was sentenced earlier this year to life in prison, and
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it was like a half baked plan. But I think that is kind of what
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we're looking at when it comes to crooks. It's speculation, but
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I think it's informed speculation.
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Well, okay, so let's keep talking about that. Yes,
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it's speculation, right? And we can, as you said earlier, we can
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go down the rabbit hole of who Crooks is, but this still lends
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back to what most people think. There was someone behind it
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because these chat rooms, I mean, who is in these chat
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rooms, as you said, foreign agents? Somebody who really is
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going out of the way to influence people to act and meld
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and control and manipulate people.
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So it's not... I mean, I'm not going to buy into this just a
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bunch of kids, know, goading each other on. Okay. The
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examples you gave when you were talking about the person that
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was manipulated by these Ukrainians, for example. I mean,
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there is an intentional, seems like a mission here to try to
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destroy America from within.
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And if we're talking about Thomas Crooks, and he's in these
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chat rooms, somebody knew what they were doing. Someone was
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intentionally like he fit a profile for someone to be able
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to manipulate and guide and point in the right direction,
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and then he just took off from there. So we got to find out who
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that... I'm not saying you do know this, I'm just saying in
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general, we need to find out who this person is or who the
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organisation is. And there's been talks that, you know,
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foreign countries were involved.
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I mean, I don't even know if any of that is true. There were
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other assassination attempts on Trump, and they're trying to say
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Iran was tied to it. Again, I still don't know if those things
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are true, but there are foreign actors or somebody that is
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pulling the strings and trying to manipulate people to pull
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these heinous acts off. So regardless, I mean, it's gonna
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be hard not to take the tinfoil hat off because there's too much
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here that kind of still supports that, as you said, an informed
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opinion maybe, but regardless informed speculation, but still,
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still begs the question for sure. Like, how did he come to
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this?
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How did he come to the conclusion that he needed to go
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out and kill Donald Trump? None of it makes, like I said, none
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of it really lines up. So with that, how do we... How was it
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looked at when Crooks was training for all this and taking
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training courses on guns and marksmanship and etc? Like, was
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any of that a concern to the FBI or anybody else that was
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investigating this?
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Well, they certainly interviewed people at the gun
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range. They got the footage. The FBI did find out that Crooks
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interacted with somebody at the gun range on July 12, the day
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before the shooting. He went there and practiced with his
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rifle. The name is redacted, of course.
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And the guy told the FBI that, well, me and crooks just made
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small talk. He asked, you know, is the range clear? Can I go set
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up my targets? And that's pretty much that. And I guess the FBI
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took his word.
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It took him at, you know, face value. Yet he was a gun
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enthusiast. The FBI asked his father about it. And it's kind
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of a sad story because the father's like, well, I thought
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this could be, you know, I didn't really know my son very
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well, but I thought this could be something we could bond over.
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But it turns out maybe he was just using me to become a
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proficient marksman so he could carry out a plan.
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You know, other than that, there's a couple of times where
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it looks like he was there with a mystery other person, maybe it
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was the father. There was a time I found, he was a model student,
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he only missed class a couple of times. But one time I got his
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community college emails and he tells his teachers, you know, I
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gotta miss class today, I'm gonna be late. And he went to
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the gun range that same day. It's like, why did he feel the
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need to skip class to go to the gun range?
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So, you know, all this raises, again, just more questions, but
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that's really the best public information that we have.
24:14
Yeah, and that's what's hard about this is like,
24:17
we're trying to use public information and they're only
24:19
letting us know so much, right? Because it's a continuing
24:22
investigation. So it's really difficult. So let's talk about
24:28
what we do. Let's get back to what we do know, because we were
24:30
speculating a bit, I'll admit it, but still, you know, it's
24:34
kind of hard not given everything that's going on.
24:37
Let's go back to the operational deficiencies in the
24:41
investigation, for example. It's not normal to leave the body out
24:44
for twelve days. Right? Like... And then after it was examined
24:49
or whatever, it was quickly cremated.
24:53
Do you have any more information that that you're able to find in
24:56
regards to why this was, why the body was left for twelve days
24:59
before they were able to to get to it and perform an autopsy?
25:02
Well, was left other twelve hours, not twelve days.
25:05
Oh, I'm sorry. I fumbled my.
25:07
Yeah. That would have been really bad if they just let
25:09
it Yeah. Rot in
25:10
is intriguing
25:13
and I haven't gotten a good explanation for it
25:15
because they did leave Crooks's body on that rooftop until 6AM
25:20
the next morning, then took him to another county for cremation.
25:25
And the firefighter who died from Crooks' shooting, they took
25:31
him a couple hours afterwards. So maybe you could argue they
25:34
left the body up there because it was still a crime scene and
25:37
they're still examining everything from every single
25:39
angle. But the cremation is issue, I think is more
25:44
significant. You know, within days, congress is writing to the
25:49
FBI, preserve all evidence, do not dispose of anything.
25:53
Remember, this is the height of Republicans' mistrust for the
25:57
FBI. They want to do their own independent investigation. And
26:02
so congressman Clay Higgins shows up in early August to look
26:07
at Crooks's body and the... I don't know if he went to the
26:11
funeral home or the medical examiner, but they say, oh, we
26:15
already released it for cremation. So the FBI just
26:18
blatantly flipped Congress the bird.
26:21
And I found out that Crooks... We got an x-ray that shows the
26:26
bullet fragments are still in his shoulder when the body was
26:31
released for cremation, which is another mishandling of evidence.
26:35
I believe those fragments would prove that it was the local cop
26:39
who shot him first and really saved the day despite what the
26:43
FBI continues to insist.
26:45
So... Okay. So body left for twelve hours, then
26:49
autopsy report, then cremated, and it seems like there's still
26:53
information being withheld intentionally. That's not
26:58
necessarily normal, right? Unless they're trying to keep it
27:02
close to the vest here because it's still an ongoing
27:05
investigation.
27:06
But is it true that it's it's been said that that Trump
27:09
stopped the investigation or or asked to have it ended? Is that
27:13
correct?
27:14
Well, that's a good question because that's what
27:16
Tucker Carlson told me and also, you know, public... Publicly
27:19
said that that Trump himself shut down this investigation.
27:23
And that sparked a pretty fierce rebuttal from former deputy
27:27
director Dan Bongino, who said, you know, Tucker's full of crap.
27:32
We briefed Trump on this and Trump was satisfied with our
27:36
findings. And so while the case is still open, it's pretty much
27:40
dormant and, you know, unless we get some groundbreaking tip, But
27:45
Bongino is hanging his hat on, you know, the work that the FBI
27:48
did.
27:49
And so I went back and looked at the timeline and, you know,
27:51
Trump takes office in January 2025. Kash Patel is approved as
27:56
director. A month later, Dan Bongino takes office as deputy
28:00
director in March 2025. And then within a couple weeks, they're
28:05
telling the world that this is the, you know, crooks acted
28:08
alone, just a lone wolf nut. And that tells you that they didn't
28:12
investigate this case at all.
28:14
At at most, they looked at the case file from the Biden's FBI
28:18
and determined that, well, you know, it looks like everything's
28:21
above board here. But, you know, a real investigation would
28:25
entail re interviewing all the witnesses, resending subpoenas,
28:29
doing, you know, actual leg work, and there's no way they
28:33
could have done that in the span of a few weeks. That goes back
28:38
to, you know, why did Trump really shut it down? Well,
28:42
Trump's recently come out with comments, you know, I think a
28:45
week or two ago where he says, oh, it's a... It was a democrat
28:48
plot.
28:48
And when I got to office, records were destroyed or
28:51
missing, which again, it's like, that's true, did Dan Bongino not
28:56
notice that there were destroyed or missing records when he
28:59
briefed the president, or did he lie about it? Is Trump lying?
29:03
Like, there's still a lot of weird things going behind the
29:07
scenes.
29:08
Yeah. And that... That's the same thing he said
29:09
about the Epstein files. Right? Or at least Pongino did.
29:12
You know? It was evidence that was destroyed. We don't... We
29:15
can't get to it all because it's it's just not there. There's
29:17
nothing there.
29:18
Well, Bongino insisted that Epstein killed
29:21
himself, and they're gonna release surveillance footage
29:23
that prove that. I look at... There's an inspector general's
29:27
report with the diagram of all the cameras that were working
29:30
and weren't working. Right. I'm just some guy and I was able to
29:33
like, wait, that...
29:34
What Bongino says is impossible because the cameras by his cell
29:38
block weren't working and of course, yeah, so it's like
29:40
people... The agents were just feeding Bongino bullshit, but he
29:45
was regurgitating it without, you know, really critically
29:49
thinking.
29:51
Yeah. And so, you know, getting back to this
29:55
Thomas Crooks, the attempt on Donald Trump, the only thing I
29:59
could think is maybe he wanted to just brush this on the rug
30:02
because he survived and he became president. Maybe at that
30:06
point, he's like, you know, let's just let's just get past
30:08
this. It's the only thing I could think. I don't wanna think
30:12
that maybe he was behind as many people have said, at least his
30:16
opponents say that he staged this whole thing.
30:19
But is there anything out there to actually, like, confirm or
30:22
even lead anyone to actually believe that that is plausible
30:25
that he actually staged this for for him to, like, just push
30:29
himself further into the spotlight and and gain more
30:32
support?
30:33
I don't think there's any way he could have done that.
30:35
Yet to encounter anybody with a coherent theory for how he could
30:39
have done that. You know, again, chapter one of my book details
30:44
the action scene from that morning to the night, including
30:47
the local cops legitimately chasing this guy. If a couple
30:50
different decisions were made, the local cops would have caught
30:53
him and it would have been a nonevent despite the lack of
30:57
help from the Secret Service. And that tells me it's
31:00
authentic.
31:01
It's Biden's FBI, Biden's Secret Service, they're all spying on
31:06
Trump investigating him. There would have had been... Had to
31:09
have been complicity from them for Trump to have staged it.
31:14
Trump was on the campaign trail every day doing different
31:18
events. Like, there's no way he's had the time to choreograph
31:22
this or practice this.
31:24
You know, foreign governments are spying on him. They could
31:27
have found out that he's trying to stage something and leak it.
31:30
The bullets were real. People really died. The best, you know,
31:34
people say, oh, well, there's not scarring on his ear.
31:37
You know, if you cut yourself shaving, it's gonna be bloody
31:41
and it'll heal with those scar. And a bullet is a little
31:45
different, but if it doesn't actually go through the
31:47
cartilage, if it just grazes the skin, it could heal without a
31:52
scar within two weeks. So it's totally plausible. And yeah, I
31:56
could go on and on, but yeah, I'll just plug the book, I
31:59
guess, if you really want to check on it. It was an authentic
32:02
event.
32:03
Yeah, your book has all the info, but at the same
32:06
time, I mean, let's just get down to it. All the work you've
32:09
done and everything that you've seen so far from trying to find
32:12
the evidence and get down to the bottom of this, I mean, what do
32:15
you actually think happened here? What's your opinion? I'm
32:19
not I'm not gonna say you're just... It's fact, but do...
32:21
What is your current opinion, informed opinion?
32:25
I believe that it could have been some sort of
32:28
failed sting operation. Maybe not an operation, but I think
32:33
they might have been monitoring Thomas Crooks. Because keep in
32:37
mind, he was building bombs in his bedroom, and I think they
32:44
might have been monitoring and expecting him to do something
32:47
stupid with the bombs, and then maybe somebody else told him
32:50
like, hey, if you go up on the roof, it'll be open at this
32:53
time. You get a clean shot, and then he swerves and then the
32:56
feds, you know, they're... They bungle this and then there's a
33:00
big cover up because, oh, we can't let the world know that we
33:03
are monitoring this kid.
33:04
And I say that because if you look at some of the reporting,
33:09
there weren't any bomb sniffing dogs at like the security
33:15
checkpoints, which is odd. They found a detonator in his pocket
33:19
when they searched his body. And that was actually one of the
33:24
weirdest things of all this whole event is there was an ATF
33:27
agent there doing security, which ATF wasn't part of the
33:32
security. The secret service agent said this guy looked like
33:34
he was in the bomb squad, and then congress tries to find out,
33:38
well, what the hell is this ATF agent doing there? The ATF says
33:43
he was there in his personal capacity, but he wasn't in the
33:46
crowd.
33:46
He was in security. The secret service agent who saw him said
33:50
he looked like he was on the bomb squad. And, you know, I
33:53
thought... Crooks had bought a ticket. I think maybe they
33:56
thought he was gonna try to go in the crowd with his detonator
34:00
and set something off in the crowd.
34:03
That's that's what I'm looking at.
34:07
So this this all seems... There are two things
34:10
here, in my opinion. One, which really seems to be the case more
34:14
than the other, possibly, is it was just a lack of proper
34:19
management by the security staff, by the Secret Service,
34:22
and seems like maybe even training or this particular team
34:26
is not used to working with each other. And the biggest failure,
34:29
I think, in all this was actually the communications,
34:31
those lines should have been open and available. They should
34:35
have had to talk to one person to translate the information to
34:39
the other and then that person...
34:40
You know, it's like if you see something and there's a shooter,
34:45
and there's a president-elect on stage and you see a shooter,
34:49
there shouldn't be like a fifteen second, twenty five
34:52
second, like whatever it was, there shouldn't have been that
34:54
much time to react to nullify the situation. And that is the
34:59
biggest problem we had in this whole thing. It's hard to say
35:01
who Crooks really was. Like you said, there's just not enough
35:04
out there, not enough available information. But and the other
35:08
thing is, man, maybe he was one of those MK Ultra type
35:12
candidates, who knows?
35:13
You know, possibly. So that's crazy. So let's go ahead and
35:18
just get past this unless there's any new information. But
35:21
as of now, it doesn't seem like there really isn't. It doesn't
35:24
seem like we're ever going to know what really happened.
35:25
It seems like the FBI is trying to bury it for whatever reason,
35:28
and we just don't know enough about Thomas Crooks to make any
35:31
real informed decisions on what really did happen that day.
35:35
Right? Yeah. Well, the fact that the FBI lied about
35:38
him not being in communications with somebody and then it comes
35:41
out, oh, he's actually talking to somebody who's a neo Nazi on
35:45
the State Department watch list. Yeah. I think that can help you
35:49
from being really suspicious about what's really going on.
35:53
And I will say your MK Ultra comment, you know, I have no
35:56
evidence of that, but we do have an interesting FBI record where
36:00
in May 2024, what, two months before the shooting, he went to
36:05
the hospital. A neighbor told the FBI that he... She sees
36:10
Crooks leaving his house following paramedics, gets in
36:14
the ambulance and then goes to the hospital. And then his
36:17
bedroom light is off for the next two weeks, which the
36:20
neighbor took that to mean that he was hospitalized for two
36:25
weeks. The next time the neighbor sees him, she asked
36:29
what happened and he said, I went to the hospital for
36:31
dehydration, which doesn't make a whole lot of Like he was
36:36
walking out of the house with his own power into the
36:39
ambulance.
36:40
He's gone possibly for two weeks. Again, this is really
36:44
speculative, but that's what the neighbor told the FBI according
36:48
to the documents we have, and it is intriguing.
36:52
Yeah. I mean, I laughed only because it's like,
36:57
the reality is we want to focus on the facts and what we know,
37:00
but then these things come up, right? Like these examples come
37:03
up to where you're like, Gosh, well, I don't know, maybe
37:05
there's some weird nefarious force behind it all. Who knows?
37:09
And they're obviously...
37:11
I mean, it seems like there is because there were two more
37:13
assassination attempts on Trump. I don't know if there's more
37:15
than that, but to my knowledge, right? And then so we can go to
37:19
the golf course, the Trump International Golf Club, right?
37:24
And you covered a little bit of that as well. Did you not?
37:27
Did you did you look into that as well?
37:30
Yeah. Big time. Got a whole chapter on it. Pretty
37:33
comprehensive. And we know a lot more about that would be
37:37
assassin, Ryan Ruth, than we do about Thomas Crooks.
37:41
And everything is highly suspicious about Ryan Ruth. Yes.
37:46
I mean, this guy is a multiple time felon, was over in Ukraine
37:50
helping recruit foreign fighters from Syria and Afghanistan to
37:54
fight against Russia. This activity gets him put on at
37:58
least seven different federal or international agencies' radars,
38:02
including, you know, FBI, CIA, customs, DHS, Interpol. The
38:08
State Department even opened investigation into him that was
38:12
still open as of the time of the assassination attempt.
38:16
And it just raises real questions about how he was able
38:19
to operate with impunity while he was being investigated. And
38:25
then there's the event itself, which is, you know, almost as
38:29
egregious as Butler. Yeah. Ryan Ryan's interesting because
38:33
you've seen... Pictures of
38:35
what I came up later of him with with other people in
38:38
different protest events around the world. And it's like, who is
38:42
this guy? He seemed to have some access for sure that they're not
38:47
letting everybody know about. He seemed like he was more
38:49
connected than they're saying. So can you go a little deeper
38:53
into Ryan Ruth and his connections or possible
38:55
connections that that have come to light?
38:57
Yeah. So I mentioned the felons and I guess we could
39:01
start with that. You know, this guy in 2002, he got into... He
39:05
ran ran a construction business in Greensboro, North Carolina,
39:09
just a little thing, but he was hiring illegal immigrants and he
39:12
wasn't paying them. So he gets into a fight with them, pulls a
39:16
four ten shotgun on one of them, tries to run over somebody else.
39:21
Please respond. He's got dynamite. He gets charged with
39:25
felonies for all this, gets released on bail, gets into
39:31
another dispute with the cops, even has a standoff where he
39:34
gets pulled over, he runs away, and then he hides in his house
39:37
for a couple hours. After all this, he just gets probation.
39:41
Gets released a couple years later, another major felony
39:45
where he's paying crackheads to steal stuff from construction
39:48
sites and bring it to him so he could fence it.
39:51
More felonies, more probation, never goes to prison,
39:55
politically radicalized in the late two thousand tens. He was
39:59
initially a Trump guy, turned to Tulsi Gabbard in 2019, and then
40:04
Putin invades. According to his self published book, which is
40:08
still available on Amazon, I guess he just says, you know, in
40:12
the name of human rights and democracy, I gotta help out. So
40:15
he winds up his business. He goes to Poland, tries to cross
40:19
the border to volunteer to fight.
40:21
You know, this gives a 58 year old construction worker with no
40:25
combat experience. So they turn him down, but then he turns to
40:31
recruiting these volunteers that I mentioned. That's what gets
40:36
him on law enforcement's radar. You know, as far as them being
40:40
connected, I think it's pretty easy when you go over there. The
40:44
way it's been described is, you you get to Kiev, you're staying
40:48
at a hotel or whatever, you're in the same square block as
40:51
pretty much everybody internationally.
40:54
So you could go downstairs and see like Anderson Cooper having
40:57
coffee and all, know, CIA agents, other volunteers. And he
41:03
was like a super extroverted guy. So I think he just made a
41:08
lot of connections because he was friendly and outgoing. I
41:11
don't think it's something as explicit as them telling him to
41:14
do something, but I do think he was influenced because all these
41:18
people in Ukraine are virulently anti Trump and they're not just
41:24
like your local, you know, your wine drinking aunt who's talking
41:28
crap about the president. These are very high status people,
41:31
people with connections to the state department, people from
41:34
money, people that live in the Beltway.
41:36
And I think Ruth almost looked up to these people and said,
41:39
well, I'll be a hero to them if I do something. I do think there
41:44
was some subtle manipulation there too though, which we can
41:47
get into.
41:49
Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, they see an
41:52
American, right, who doesn't doesn't align with Trump that
41:56
wants to go help in the war, and you're... It's very plausible
42:00
they took advantage of the situation. They had, I hate to
42:04
say it, but a useful idiot, right, that they can manipulate
42:07
and used to do whatever it is that they want. And maybe that
42:10
was the case.
42:11
And maybe he was looking for approval and he wanted to be
42:13
famous for something like he felt he wanted to make a
42:16
difference and this would have been it possibly. Could have
42:18
been. So yeah, that's very plausible. That's very
42:21
plausible. Very strange too, though.
42:23
You know, it really is.
42:25
Yeah. I guess the event itself raises the biggest
42:29
questions. Like this guy is already like a really
42:33
fascinating and bizarre character with multi... Like
42:35
intelligence connections, connections to Ukraine. And then
42:40
the event itself, you know, September 15, he's hiding in the
42:45
bushes.
42:45
Trump is golfing on the fifth hole. Secret Service agent spots
42:49
him on the sixth hole. The agent fires five times from less than
42:53
10 feet away, misses all five times. He runs off and thanks to
42:59
a local witness who got his license plates, the cops caught
43:03
him on the I-ninety 5 about forty five minutes later. So
43:06
it's another case where the Secret Service actually didn't
43:08
catch the guy at all or do anything.
43:11
But the bizarre thing is that he had been camping out in those
43:15
bushes for ten hours before the shooting.
43:18
Yes.
43:18
And the thing about that is Trump's golf plans were
43:22
last minute. He... The Secret Service actually found out
43:25
around 2AM that Trump wanted to go golf later that day. And
43:30
around that same time, Ruth, who had been camping at a local
43:34
truck stop, shows up to the golf course. And that's a hell of a
43:38
coincidence.
43:39
That makes me wonder, was there some sort of security leak? You
43:42
know, was he at a waffle house and somebody, you know, not
43:45
explicitly told him, but somebody said, hey, I hear
43:47
Trump's gonna be at the golf course later that day, you know,
43:50
put the kind of worm in his brain and he goes there.
43:55
Moreover, the spot he was at is used by paparazzi photographers
44:02
to take photos of Trump, which might be something well known in
44:07
the journalism industry in Palm Beach, but this is a guy from
44:11
North Carolina. He'd been living in Hawaii. How did he know that
44:14
that was like the perfect spot to get a line of sight on Trump?
44:19
These things are my biggest questions about the event
44:23
itself.
44:24
Yeah. I mean, yeah, the biggest the biggest tell in
44:27
all of this is of everything you said. It could have been a
44:30
popular spot. It could have hurt at a Waffle House, whatever, but
44:33
why would he be in the area expecting that he might be there
44:36
within that time frame? He was already there.
44:40
So how did he get that information? Where did the
44:44
inclination come from for him to decide I should be there to pull
44:48
this off? Yep. This is gonna happen.
44:51
Yeah. Because he had been in the Palm Beach area for
44:54
a couple weeks. Basically, you know, he's becoming increasingly
44:59
unhinged and radicalized. After Thomas Crooks fails at Butler,
45:03
he decides that he's gonna try to finish the job. And we know
45:06
this because he even text messaged some guy in Ukraine
45:11
trying to buy a rocket launcher.
45:13
The Ukrainians thought he was just joking. This all came out
45:17
in court, but then, know, he's driving. He goes to Palm Beach.
45:22
He conducts surveillance at the airport. We know he is in the
45:26
parking garage and where he parked had a clear line of sight
45:31
to the hangar where Trump's plane was parked.
45:34
We know he tried to buy a sniper rifle at some point, so I think
45:37
the thought is that he might have thought to do the hit at
45:42
the airport. And then he was tracking Trump's airplane on a
45:47
flight tracker app. So he knew that Trump was coming back to
45:53
Palm Beach that day. But again, the golf plans weren't public
45:58
and they were actually at the last minute. So, yeah, how did
46:01
he know?
46:02
Like, why would he just take a chance on the small chance that
46:06
Trump was gonna be there and to camp in the bushes for ten
46:09
hours?
46:09
Makes no sense. Up. Yeah. That doesn't add up. Now
46:12
the other parts do.
46:13
I mean, obviously, he wanted to pull this off. That's why he was
46:15
in the air tracking, but he still wouldn't have been able to
46:17
get information that, hey, two in the morning, he's gonna be
46:19
playing golf tomorrow. Yep. That that that doesn't make any
46:23
sense. So there must have been been a leak somewhere or he had
46:25
some inside information somehow, but from somewhere.
46:28
Who knows? I don't know. You don't know. I wish we did, you
46:32
know, but we don't.
46:33
And the thing is he had a trial, and what's really
46:36
interesting is judge Eileen Cannon, who presided over the
46:41
Mar A Lago classified documents case, was the judge in this
46:45
case, and it it was revealed in court that there was classified
46:48
information in the Ruth case, and she allowed the government
46:52
to keep that sealed where they don't even provide it to Ruth as
46:56
part of discovery. And her order says this information, you know,
47:00
made public could harm national security. I'm like, well, that's
47:06
very... Like, this is a criminal case. What is...
47:10
What about it as classified? Like, What's
47:12
what's in there that would harm national security?
47:15
Yeah. Usually, classified information cases are
47:17
like, the FBI has a source in Iraq, and it's a terrorism case,
47:23
so they don't wanna blow the source so they keep it
47:26
classified or they're spying on somebody with Pfizer and they
47:30
don't want to reveal that. They keep it classified. So that's...
47:34
Like, it's very intriguing.
47:36
I'm sure Ruth was being under surveillance while he's in
47:42
Ukraine, but that information ostensibly wouldn't be part of
47:46
his criminal case. Like, if the FBI was spying on a Ukrainian
47:50
who was talking to Rus and they scooped up his communications in
47:53
2022, that has nothing to do with the discovery of his
47:58
attempted assassination case. So what is the classified
48:01
information? That's like, to me, if I could have anything
48:05
unsealed, that would be that classified information.
48:09
Yeah. But isn't that coincidental that, you know,
48:12
previous assassination attempt in Butler, there's information
48:14
that suddenly is not available because now it's under
48:17
investigation again, even though it wasn't. And then with what
48:21
happened here at the golf course, same thing, all of a
48:24
sudden, oh wait, we can't let any information out because it
48:27
could compromise national security. It seems too
48:30
coincidental. Two attempts, two times the government shuts down
48:35
information or lets anybody know what's...
48:37
The general public anyway know what's really going on, because
48:40
it could compromise national security. It's very strange. So
48:44
let's move into the next one, though. Just February of this
48:48
year, there was another attempt, right? A Mar A Lago, I believe
48:53
it was.
48:55
Do you have any information on that one?
48:58
Nothing beyond what's been publicly reported. The book
49:02
was already kinda being finalized. I think you're
49:05
referring to... Trump wasn't even there. I wouldn't consider
49:08
that like a serious attempt.
49:09
It's some nut job who apparently was radicalized by the Epstein
49:12
files, shows up with a shotgun and a can of gas, tries to get
49:19
into the property, gets blown away. There was another one,
49:23
what, a month or two later, the White House Correspondents'
49:26
Dinner Act. Too. Yeah.
49:28
Where... And that was a more legitimate attempt. Trump
49:30
was there, and the guy's name's Cole Allen. He just sprinted
49:34
through the security checkpoint, armed to the teeth. And another,
49:39
you know, highlight for Secret Service history is they only
49:45
caught him because he tripped and fell down.
49:47
He was almost to the... He was on one floor. Trump was a floor
49:50
down. If he could have gotten down to the ballroom, maybe he
49:54
doesn't kill Trump, but he could have wreaked havoc certainly.
49:58
And then it turns out that he had rented the hotel room there
50:01
days before and gotten the weapons in beforehand, so the
50:05
Secret Service dropped the ball on that too.
50:08
So it just shows you that, again, even if we're not being
50:12
conspiratorial, the Secret Service still has major, major
50:15
issues.
50:17
They do. But I mean, for as many attempts as been
50:20
made on trial, even if he wasn't in Mar A Lago, there was still
50:23
somebody who assumed he would be there or was acting out
50:25
regardless. So it's... We consider it as a combination of
50:29
just crazy people, you know, that are brainwashed by social
50:32
media and, you know, curated narratives, which very well
50:35
could be the case. Or there really could be some nefarious
50:39
organisation trying to push for assassinating Trump.
50:42
I mean, there's been multiple attempts already, which is, you
50:45
know, in and of itself very telling. So maybe we're never
50:49
gonna know. I find it interesting, as you said
50:52
earlier, that the FBI or the government is refusing to really
50:55
let general public know what happened in any of these case.
50:58
Well, I wouldn't say any of them, at least the two that we
51:00
discussed earlier, you know, the Butler and the international
51:03
golf course incident. But it's very strange that like people
51:07
are targeting Trump.
51:09
People are definitely going after him. Do you have anything
51:12
else that you can probably bring to light as as far as the Butler
51:18
or the the International Golf Club incident?
51:23
Well, with the Butler, there's an interesting
51:25
angle of, like, a supposed Iranian connection because the
51:29
guy was arrested on 07/12/2024, the day before Butler, this
51:34
Pakistani guy who was supposedly working for the Iranian
51:37
government to try to assassinate US politicians, including
51:41
possibly Trump. The case gets unsealed a month later.
51:45
Everybody freaks out. Says, oh, it has to be linked. And
51:49
there...
51:51
Is a hell of a coincidence that this guy who is plotting to kill
51:54
Trump was arrested the day before Trump was shot. If you
51:58
look at the details though, this is a guy who was on The US's
52:03
radar in early twenty twenty four. They let him into the
52:07
country on purpose in April 2024. They run an FBI informant
52:12
at him. The informant's driving him around, introduces him to
52:16
two FBI agents posing as hitmen, undercover agents posing as
52:21
hitmen.
52:22
They take him to a strip club. He says, okay, I'll give you the
52:26
final target in Pakistan in September. And then they arrest
52:30
him on his way out of the country. So it wasn't anything
52:34
that was posed a real threat to the Trump. It was more like a
52:37
manufactured FBI sting operation.
52:40
But the significance there is the FBI did tell the secret
52:45
service that we have intelligence of an Iranian
52:48
threat. And first of all, the officials in DC got this
52:53
intelligence and they never passed that to the Pittsburgh
52:56
field office. So arguably, if the Pittsburgh field office was
53:00
told about an Iranian threat, however dubious it is, they
53:04
would have been on their toes. They would have been a... Done a
53:06
better job planning for Butler.
53:08
But b, because of this Iranian threat, that's the reason why
53:12
secret service snipers were sent to Butler in the first place. It
53:16
was the first time a former president has ever gotten secret
53:20
service sniper protection. Usually, they just have local
53:22
snipers, and those are the same snipers that waited fifteen
53:26
seconds to return fire. So if if not for this intelligence and
53:31
the snipers being sent there, he would have been protected by
53:33
locals who would have done a better job, and we know this
53:36
because they would have had the local radios and the snipers
53:39
would have known what's going on.
53:42
This is crazy. It's the breakdown and lack of
53:46
procedures and communication consistently with the Secret
53:49
Service and law enforcement, not local law enforcement, but
53:54
security in general. It's just nuts. And it... And we're just
53:57
showing the rest of the world how vulnerable, you know, we
54:00
really are or how easy it could be to get to the president.
54:02
It's just it's just ridiculous. It's... I mean, who would... Who
54:08
is responsible? I I don't know.
54:10
I hope it... I hope that they... I hope they fix this. I hope
54:13
they fix the situation because it doesn't seem like they're
54:16
they're gonna stop trying to kill him.
54:17
Well, that's that's the thing that's really
54:20
troubling is that a lot of people involved in Butler are...
54:25
They're all still with the Secret Service. Nobody got
54:28
fired. Only the former director resigned in disgrace. But the
54:31
guy who is in charge of Trump's details named Sean Curran, He's
54:36
now the director of the entire agency, so he got a promotion.
54:39
The Secret Service got a bigger budget. They're hiring more
54:42
agents. It's like built in incentives for failure here
54:47
where the agency that failed the most gets the biggest reward.
54:52
Failing And until people are held accountable, people are
54:58
fired or even worse, you're not going to solve these issues in
55:03
my opinion.
55:05
Sad man, very sad. Ken, do you have anything else
55:09
you want to add here before we talk about your book here?
55:13
No, I think we covered a lot to hopefully peak
55:17
people's interest.
55:18
Oh, I think we did. And this is ongoing, so I'm
55:21
hoping you're gonna do a follow-up or, you know, bring
55:23
more stuff to light as it comes out. But I have your book pulled
55:28
up here, looks like can get it on Amazon. This is it here,
55:32
right?
55:32
Yeah.
55:33
Do you have any other places where people can find
55:35
you?
55:37
I run a news site called headlineusa.com where we
55:42
cover just national news from a conservativelibertarian point of
55:45
view. Okay. And then I'm on Twitter. My handle is at JD
55:50
underscore cashless, and that's pretty much it.
55:55
And is this your sub stack too?
55:57
Yes. At Ken Silva. And the book... The title is the
56:00
Trump assassination plots. Oh, I think you said that at the
56:03
outset, but What the investigation's missed and why
56:05
it matters.
56:07
Awesome. Well, sir, appreciate you being here. I
56:12
look forward to whatever you do in the future regarding these
56:15
assassinations. I hope that we find out. I hope this doesn't
56:17
turn into another JFK situation where we're just never gonna
56:20
know, or it'll just be a big black page of a, you know, huge
56:24
square black marker, you know, that they put on the page, all
56:28
redacted.
56:29
But, anyway, appreciate your time, and let's stay in touch
56:32
and I'd like to follow-up with you down the road as things come
56:34
to light.
56:35
Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks again for the opportunity
56:38
to be on your show. Thank you. Thanks for being here.