Latest / Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast / Trekcast 432: Star Trek Dad Rankings

Transcript

Trekcast 432: Star Trek Dad Rankings · Star Trek Podcast: Trekcast

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: The Galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast, Live, Idaho.
• 0:27
  Speaker 2: This is Trek Cast, the Galaxy's most unpredictable Star Trek podcast.
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: Today on the show, we are going to rank Star
• 0:36
  Speaker 2: Trek dads. Plus we've got Star Trek News and your
• 0:41
  Speaker 2: listener feedback. I'm Scott Boucher's with Dan Lombardo and now
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: the father of this podcast.
• 0:50
  Speaker 3: Oh god, I don't know about that. Hi daddy, Oh god,
• 0:59
  Speaker 3: where's them? They're gonna ask me later what did you
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: do this morning? I'll just have some guys on the
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: internet called me daddy.
• 1:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, ship just got real, real wind.
• 1:12
  Speaker 5: But you know, yeah, really.
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: Well, good morning everybody. Happy Father's Day?
• 1:18
  Speaker 6: Yes, good morning. Are you guys doing? That's right?
• 1:24
  Speaker 7: Do you guys have a good Father's Day?
• 1:27
  Speaker 4: It just started, man, it started?
• 1:28
  Speaker 7: Okay, Yeah, everybody's asleep.
• 1:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I've been Eastern time. The kid kid,
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: one of my sons, had a sleepover. The other one
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: is off somewhere. He's nineteen, so he's hanging out with friends.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 1:44
  Speaker 6: Fair enough.
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: I'm expecting brunch. But you know, well we'll see what happens.
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: When I emerged from my ready rooms's what's your favorite
• 1:54
  Speaker 1: thing for brunch, uh, breakfast food.
• 1:59
  Speaker 4: Bacon, but like big, big, big, everything else is optional.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: Big play to bacon, Yeah, big play to bacon. Yep.
• 2:09
  Speaker 7: I like bacon, but I don't love it like most people.
• 2:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it like I love it like Spock
• 2:14
  Speaker 4: last season. I love it like for the first ten
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: minutes and I'm like, all right, that's enough bacon. Yeah
• 2:22
  Speaker 4: that's fair.
• 2:23
  Speaker 1: That's I'm wearing my Darth Vader number one dad.
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, nice, I'm wearing uh Trek cast the Galaxy
• 2:33
  Speaker 4: Star Trek podcast because actually, this is a really comfortable shirt.
• 2:38
  Speaker 4: I wear this probably more than I should.
• 2:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: I wear my trek ash shirt like at least once
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: or twice a week. So yeah, it's a nice shirt.
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: It's one hundred percent cot, which I not. I just
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: don't like it's a necessity for me because I'm allergic
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: to polyester.
• 2:53
  Speaker 4: Oh oh wow, that's good enough.
• 2:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So if you if you ever buy me
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: clothes dans, no tracksuits, no, no, I keep cloth. No
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: army gear, which all army gear, all of it is
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: all on polyester.
• 3:13
  Speaker 4: So yeah, is it? Is it the like? Do you
• 3:18
  Speaker 4: get irritated by wearing it? Like on your skin or
• 3:21
  Speaker 4: is it with the fibers getting your eyes? And I
• 3:23
  Speaker 4: know if the I know if I'm wearing a new
• 3:25
  Speaker 4: polyester like a fleece or a hoodie or something, and
• 3:30
  Speaker 4: I put it and I put it on, I pull
• 3:32
  Speaker 4: it over my face and it's the first time and
• 3:34
  Speaker 4: it hasn't been washed, and those fibers get in my eyes.
• 3:37
  Speaker 4: Forget it. I'm not.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, that sounds pleasant compared to what I go through. No.
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: If I if I were to put on a five
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: percent polyester shirt nine cotton shirt cast in about three minutes,
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: I will I'll start to feel itchy. And if I
• 3:54
  Speaker 2: take that shirt off, there's like bumps all it's red
• 3:57
  Speaker 2: and bumpy, and I get it's a it's a rash. Yeah,
• 4:00
  Speaker 2: so I am allergic.
• 4:02
  Speaker 4: Is there is there a lotion that Daniel can come apply?
• 4:06
  Speaker 4: Being that? Dad?
• 4:09
  Speaker 7: How do you want to take care of you?
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Yes? How do I want daddy to take care of me?
• 4:15
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: By god, Daddy, Daniel, Oh God, somebody on the internet
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: makes some kind of meme.
• 4:27
  Speaker 4: Daniel.
• 4:27
  Speaker 6: It happened, for sure, boy.
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: I know, I know I could count the trek cast
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: of Facebook group.
• 4:33
  Speaker 7: Yes, well, maybe maybe you want to mention.
• 4:38
  Speaker 1: Well, I do want to mention one thing. I mentioned
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: it to you guys, but I'm holding a Superman uh
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: cup okay that I got from six Flags.
• 4:48
  Speaker 2: Why that's important to me is we planned a vacation
• 4:51
  Speaker 2: to Wisconsin about six months ago and part of that
• 4:53
  Speaker 2: vacation we're going to go to six Flags, which is
• 4:56
  Speaker 2: just south of Wisconsin. And we went with some friends
• 4:59
  Speaker 2: and I I know that there's a Superman ride at
• 5:03
  Speaker 2: at six Flags, and I went online and there's actually
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: a group because I'm a larger dude, and there's actually
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: a Facebook group for larger dudes at six Flags. And basically,
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: long story short is I realized that I was too
• 5:15
  Speaker 2: big to ride the Superman ride. And as most of
• 5:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm a big Superman fan. So that was
• 5:20
  Speaker 2: my weight loss goal from six months ago.
• 5:23
  Speaker 4: You're a big fan, you're a big fan of Superman,
• 5:25
  Speaker 4: or you're a big Superman fan, or yeah.
• 5:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a big Superman Superman fan? Is I was.
• 5:36
  Speaker 2: I went into the test seat that they have at
• 5:38
  Speaker 2: the beginning of most of those rides, and I clicked
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: into it once and I'm like, good, I'm good to go.
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: Got to the actual seat, I clicked into it once
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: and clicked at it twice, and she's like, oh no, no,
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: you gotta you gotta click into it three times. And
• 5:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, oh god, so I you know, I sucked
• 5:57
  Speaker 2: in and I visualized my weight loss journ for the
• 6:00
  Speaker 2: last six months because yeah, yeah, calorie deficit and walking
• 6:05
  Speaker 2: and running and finally able to click it in a
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: third time. And the guy, the guy at the booth
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, he's good to go, and I'm like, yes,
• 6:17
  Speaker 2: I was able to lose enough weight to ride.
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: The Superman ride. So I was super, super, super excited.
• 6:22
  Speaker 4: And then you held your you held your breath for
• 6:24
  Speaker 4: ninety eight seconds basically.
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh.
• 6:28
  Speaker 2: It was actually a really comfortable ride because the ride
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: sort of inverts you. You're facing down for for the
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: whole ride, and it was one of the most unique
• 6:35
  Speaker 2: coasters I've ever been on. So it does a loopedy loop,
• 6:39
  Speaker 2: but it's it's instead of going down and then looping up,
• 6:44
  Speaker 2: it goes up and then loops upside down.
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: It's it's really really cool.
• 6:48
  Speaker 2: So if anybody's near uh Gurney, Illinois, check out six
• 6:54
  Speaker 2: Flags Cool.
• 6:55
  Speaker 4: Thanks.
• 6:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit of a humble brag for.
• 6:58
  Speaker 4: Me, very nice.
• 7:01
  Speaker 7: You know, speaking of Superman, I ended up getting my
• 7:04
  Speaker 7: tickets to the Amazon. You get to watch it a
• 7:07
  Speaker 7: few days early, thing, Oh nice.
• 7:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I already bought tickets to to see it in Imax,
• 7:13
  Speaker 2: so oh right, Yeah, it's the it's the longest lead
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: time I've ever bought a movie ticket for ever, even
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: Star Trek Guy, I never got tickets that far in advance.
• 7:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm excited to see it man.
• 7:30
  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, me too. I'm still not uh still
• 7:34
  Speaker 4: not crazy about the s still not crazy about the collar,
• 7:37
  Speaker 4: but everything else. Every time they show a little bit
• 7:41
  Speaker 4: more Man, this is gonna be so much It's gonna
• 7:43
  Speaker 4: be so much fun. It's gonna be so much fun.
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think Superman himself is gonna be fun.
• 7:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: Yes, he's gonna have the right attitude. I think Clark's
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: gonna have the right attitude. I've been looking forward to that.
• 7:55
  Speaker 1: Henry Cavill was a little bit too stiff.
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: I thought, so, Yeah, he's a good actor.
• 8:02
  Speaker 4: That wasn't him, Yeah that.
• 8:03
  Speaker 1: Was that was a Superman.
• 8:07
  Speaker 7: But he could do similar to what they're going to
• 8:10
  Speaker 7: do in this movie, but they just didn't give him
• 8:13
  Speaker 7: that material to do it.
• 8:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a problem.
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 8:16
  Speaker 7: He could have been a fun, loving, happy go lucky
• 8:19
  Speaker 7: Superman and they just they wanted to press Superman, so
• 8:22
  Speaker 7: that's what they did.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Cryption Cast, everybody.
• 8:25
  Speaker 7: That's right, that's right. That's almost almost minutes in. We
• 8:29
  Speaker 7: haven't even talked about stargery.
• 8:30
  Speaker 4: That's fine. Yeah, alright, so before before we do that. Yeah,
• 8:39
  Speaker 4: my name this week is Lazarus because I'm I'm back
• 8:42
  Speaker 4: from the dead. Uh my appears my appearances on trek
• 8:46
  Speaker 4: Cast have been uh, I'm uh what am I? I'm
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: a recurring character cast. I'm not, but reports of my
• 9:01
  Speaker 4: demise have been greatly exaggerated. I'm not going anywhere people.
• 9:05
  Speaker 4: I'm just letting you know, because every once in a
• 9:07
  Speaker 4: while I'll get I'll get one of the listeners reach
• 9:10
  Speaker 4: out and they're like, hey, everything okay, and I love
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: I love guys. Don't don't ever be afraid to reach out.
• 9:20
  Speaker 4: But you know, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon. Just
• 9:24
  Speaker 4: you know, things come up. Last week, I had a
• 9:26
  Speaker 4: I had a karate tournament that was something that you
• 9:29
  Speaker 4: know couldn't be moved. Well, not last week, No, I
• 9:38
  Speaker 4: was well, it was a weird experience. Last week. And
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: it was funny because you guys, I heard I listened
• 9:43
  Speaker 4: to some of the show and you guys said, I
• 9:45
  Speaker 4: was on boath at the ya klingon uh whatever, Which
• 9:49
  Speaker 4: is funny because in that episode, Wharf was bitching about
• 9:53
  Speaker 4: not winning, and he was bitching about his his opponent,
• 9:57
  Speaker 4: uh using some illegal moves and right, yeah, that's that's
• 10:02
  Speaker 4: exactly what happened. And this this guy I was fighting,
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: he was you know, you're not supposed to you're not
• 10:06
  Speaker 4: supposed to grab. There's certain places you're not supposed to hit,
• 10:10
  Speaker 4: you're not supposed to kick, and the rest just they
• 10:13
  Speaker 4: weren't calling it. They weren't calling it, and I was
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: pointing it out and they weren't calling it, and uh,
• 10:19
  Speaker 4: it got to a point where I was, I was
• 10:21
  Speaker 4: down points and there was, uh you know, the the
• 10:25
  Speaker 4: clock was running down. I knew I wasn't gonna win
• 10:27
  Speaker 4: this thing, and I said, you know what, as soon
• 10:30
  Speaker 4: as they said go, I'm gonna punch this guy square
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: in his face, even though even though that's not even
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: though that's not an acceptable area to strike. It's like,
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: if we're not calling, we're not calling fouls, then you know,
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: ship at this point. So that's what happened, they said,
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: go I stepped in, punched this guy square in the face.
• 10:49
  Speaker 4: There was no point and then the clock ran out
• 10:51
  Speaker 4: and and that was it. So I did not place.
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: I did not place in uh I did not place
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: in spar last week. I did, however, branch out and
• 11:03
  Speaker 4: I did uh. I did a form last week and
• 11:06
  Speaker 4: uh I got first place in forms. So I would
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: have much rather get get first place in sparring. But
• 11:12
  Speaker 4: you know, you take you take what you can get. Yeah,
• 11:16
  Speaker 4: but I'm still here people, I'm not going anywhere. I
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: may not be here every week. Things come up, and
• 11:22
  Speaker 4: and I take a week off in.
• 11:23
  Speaker 1: The summertime, there's gonna be you know, I can't be
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: it's coming up. I won't be able to make.
• 11:28
  Speaker 6: So yeah cool.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm the new guy, so I'm really scared about
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: being in the place.
• 11:33
  Speaker 7: Whatever the problem is. When I can't make it, that's
• 11:40
  Speaker 7: really right.
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: You know, Scott, you joke about being the new guy,
• 11:44
  Speaker 4: but you're you. You're the new guy, but you're also
• 11:49
  Speaker 4: in the new blood. You're the guy who rings us
• 11:51
  Speaker 4: up and say, hey, we're doing a show this week.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 11:56
  Speaker 4: We should Yeah we should.
• 11:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, what can I say? I love doing this.
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: Thanks, thanks for being a motivator.
• 12:05
  Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, all right.
• 12:08
  Speaker 7: Well, yeah, we got some Star Trek news, so let's
• 12:11
  Speaker 7: get to that because we've got a lot of Dad's
• 12:12
  Speaker 7: drink too.
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, Star Trek news.
• 12:18
  Speaker 7: All right, So our first news story comes to us
• 12:21
  Speaker 7: from Variety. You probably saw this making the rounds earlier
• 12:25
  Speaker 7: this week. But strange new World start exchange. The World
• 12:29
  Speaker 7: has been renewed for a fifth and final season, so
• 12:34
  Speaker 7: we're about to get into season three next month. I'll
• 12:38
  Speaker 7: go out five seasons, or for sure go five seasons.
• 12:44
  Speaker 7: The other thing that I think a lot of people
• 12:45
  Speaker 7: pointed out is the last season, Season five, is only
• 12:50
  Speaker 7: going to be six episodes to reduce it.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: So you know what's funny about this, So it's gonna
• 12:59
  Speaker 4: go uh full, five seasons, semi full because the last
• 13:04
  Speaker 4: season is truncated. Going by the old TV rules, the
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: classic TV rules, this show will not qualify for syndication, right, No,
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: it used to be you needed one hundred episodes to
• 13:19
  Speaker 4: get sold into into a syndication package. And this this
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: show won't qualify. This show will not surpass the original
• 13:27
  Speaker 4: series in the episode count. This show will not surpass
• 13:32
  Speaker 4: Enterprise in the episode count.
• 13:34
  Speaker 6: Oh that's true.
• 13:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so what gives.
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you something I got an issue with.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: They've renewed it for a fifth and final season and
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: we're just going into season three.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I got two questions.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: Number one, what if this show in the third season,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: much like Next Gen, just takes off and just it
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: becomes a global final and just starts raking in the money,
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: and and millions of people are demanding, Oh no, sorry,
• 14:07
  Speaker 2: we we said five, that's all we're gonna do.
• 14:11
  Speaker 4: It'll never it'll never happen. It'll never ever, ever ever happen.
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why, because no matter how great
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: it does, it's doing that great on Paramount Plus, which
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: is which is just you know, it's it's.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: We're talking two years now, three years from now. Who
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: knows who's gonna own it?
• 14:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, well, and that's the other thing,
• 14:36
  Speaker 4: you know, you know how that could happen. You know
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: how that could happen if if Paramount Plus gets bought
• 14:42
  Speaker 4: by Netflix or something like that, right, and everything and
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: everything gets folded in and suddenly you have this huge
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: audience that discovers this show and watches it and watches
• 14:53
  Speaker 4: the first three seasons back to back to back and go,
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: oh my, oh, this is amazing. You know, that's not unprecedented.
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: If you remember a show like Cobra Kai. Cobra Kai
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: had great, great, great, great success on Netflix, but it
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: started on YouTube.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Started on YouTube.
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it started as a as a YouTube red show
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: and YouTube read went right down the crapper and they
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: sold the show to Netflix.
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: And read for like a month.
• 15:19
  Speaker 7: Oh you know what else happened like that was that
• 15:22
  Speaker 7: Lucifer show. It was on Fox TV, which was yeah, yeah,
• 15:28
  Speaker 7: Mike a whole other life on Netflix.
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: Oyeah.
• 15:31
  Speaker 7: Yeah. The way you know, how else uh, strange worlds
• 15:37
  Speaker 7: could be saved? Donate to our coffee account, Parmount Plus.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: That's right, we'll take care of it. Yeah, we'll take
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: care of it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're going right now, honestly, like you know,
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: it's a possibility that Paramount plus could be owned by
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: either NPR in three years or Donald Trump in three years.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: It's everything, you know, all the rules are out the window,
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: so who knows now.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: At the opposite of this, so it could it could boom.
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: But what if season three what if in like three months,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: it's discovered that Anson Mount or Ethan Peck are actually
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: like neo Nazis. Oh no, out that a tweet they
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: said seventeen hundred years ago, you know, was like you know,
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: power to the wrong people, and and all of a sudden,
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: the whole show gets uh, not literally canceled, but you
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: know figuratively can't.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: Well, like we got more seasons.
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: To do, guys.
• 16:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, So right now, what is it the he
• 16:40
  Speaker 7: Man movie and the new Tron movie is kind of
• 16:42
  Speaker 7: facing the same thing because of the new Jared Leto allegations.
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, but but see this is different. Okay. You
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: know normally something like that happens. You you write that
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: character off, you kill that character off. If if Spot
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: does something stupid, If Ethan Peck does something stupid, you
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: can't kill him off. You can't have to be around
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: for the next one hundred years.
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: You can reschedule it, you can recast him. Yeah that's
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: what you would do.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, you know this it could tank and
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: then they've got they got to do two more seasons contractually. Right. Yeah,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: so that's so weird.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: How do we have any other examples where a show
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: has been you know, maybe maybe see you know n
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: CIS and season seventeen, they renewed it for two more
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: seasons or maybe even three more seasons. But there's two
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: seasons deep into a show and you renew it for
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: you know, three more seasons out of it.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think they're I think they're grasping
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of straws right now trying.
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: To do so.
• 17:45
  Speaker 7: Remember the story we did last week where there's talk
• 17:50
  Speaker 7: of a of a of a Star Trek pause after
• 17:53
  Speaker 7: all this, you know, yeah, because the Kurtsman contract has
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: not been renewed, that has come up. They don't know
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: what the new owners want to do, and they're just
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: kind of leaving everything for the new owner's handle. As
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: like you got a ton of movies like the the
• 18:09
  Speaker 7: Ninja Turtle cartoon movie, What was that Eat?
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: And Mayhem?
• 18:12
  Speaker 7: We really haven't done much with the sequel. They're allegedly
• 18:16
  Speaker 7: working on it, but it seems pretty slow.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: You know, A lot a lot of these decisions are
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: based on the the impending sale. And when you're putting
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: together a balance sheet to show to the company that's
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: that's that's buying you, you have to show them what
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: all of your liabilities are out there, so committing to uh,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: you want to show that, hey, this is a successful
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: show that we're selling you. It's going for five seasons.
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: But at the same time, you also shorten that fifth
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: season so it doesn't cost you as much to produce
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: that fifth season. So this is a a they want
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: the best of both worlds situations. The new owners could
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: come in, could come in tomorrow and say no, no,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: that makes no sense. We own it now. Six episodes. Nope,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: we're gonna do the full ten.
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you never know, or they may come in and
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: uncancel it and say, nope, this is still going strong,
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: we're still making money. We're gonna do ten episodes, We're
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: gonna leave it open for two more seasons or whatever.
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: There's no way to know.
• 19:16
  Speaker 7: I mean, the last Mission and Possible movie did not
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: do what they thought it was gonna do.
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: Unfortunately.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: You know, that's good news for me because I want
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: to see it on Paramount Plus as soon as possible.
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: Oh, it'll be there soon, It'll be there soon, all right.
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: So then our next news story comes to us from
• 19:33
  Speaker 7: trekmovie dot com. Just as I was talking about the
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: Mission Impossible, Simon peg is out there promoting this mission impossible,
• 19:42
  Speaker 7: and so he talked a little bit about what he
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: wants to do for Star Trek four. Says he wants
• 19:47
  Speaker 7: to get back to the spirit of the original series.
• 19:50
  Speaker 7: He says he would love to do a fourth one.
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: He says, there's all kinds of muttering about it, but
• 19:55
  Speaker 7: I haven't heard anything. That's just what we're gonna do.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: And then in.
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: Another interview he says everything has become so gritty, but
• 20:04
  Speaker 7: it's I think it's just some sort of weird justification
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: of how do we make this thing which is essentially
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: quite youthful. So he wants to go back to more
• 20:13
  Speaker 7: of the fun, living spirit of the original series, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: he wants to make it more moral dilemmas and things
• 20:20
  Speaker 7: like that.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: So I don't that happened?
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Do you get? Can you smell that? That's nasty? That's
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: the that's the smell of the dead carcass of that
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: they will.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Not Yeah, here's here's here's the thing. When they go
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: when they go to the when they go to the
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: studio and they're like, hey, we want I don't know
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: what is the cost to make one of these movies?
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: We need we need hundreds of millions of dollars. What, well,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: what's the movie? Well, you know, it's it's it's Star Trek,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: it's Kirk, it's Spot, it's McCoy. But these are these
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: are the younger versions, and they're gonna go Don't we
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: already have a show about that? Yeah, that we that
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: we only half renewed for the fifth season. No, no,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: we're not giving you two hundred million dollars for that
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: go away. Yeah, yeah, it's not gonna happen.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: No, it's not.
• 21:20
  Speaker 7: So there you go. That's where we're at with the
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: with the new movie, and then our last news story.
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: Let's see, it comes to us from I believe it
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: is space dot com. Yeah, yeah, space dot com. Uh
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: this uh what is it? The eighteenth is that Wednesday
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: in Seattle, William Shatner, uh, Kirk himself and astrophysicist Neil
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: deGrasse Tyson will be teaming up for a live show.
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: It's called The Universe Is Absurd. Tickets are still available
• 21:52
  Speaker 7: if you're in the Seattle area. It will be at
• 21:55
  Speaker 7: the McCaw Hall. Tickets from what I when I looked
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: them up, we're anywhere from three hundred dollars to like
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: six hundred dollars just foresee much less than need VAB packages.
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: But it's gonna be these two. Yeah.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Can we just take a minute and just recognize that
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Neil de grass Tyson is the undisputed champion of what
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: I'm going to dub right now astrotainment.
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: Mm hmmm.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: He has taken science and astrophysics and just turned it
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: into entertainment. I mean, he's got a podcast, he's got
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: a TV show, he does these things. He's a guest
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: on Everything good him.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a big Neil your Grass Tyson fan. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: listened to his podcast, yeh, you know a couple times
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: a week, Star Talk, you know.
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: He's a professional, smart guy.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, well absolutely right. Like like you said, you know,
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: his his tagline is where science and pop culture collide. Yeah,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: he's he's bringing science to.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: To the people. Yeah.
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: And let's you know, let's not sleep on on William Shatner,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: the other guy you know, for he's what ninety three
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: years old, ninety four, he's you know, he's recently been
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: to space. Is you know, say what you will about him, Like,
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: you know, there's there's different things that people have said
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: about him, especially like on the set of Star Trek
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and you know how big his ego is.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Dude's still sharp as.
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: Attack, yeah yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 7: And still walking around moving Yeah yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: I hope I'm a spry at eighty as he is
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: at ninety four.
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: Right, yeah so but yeah, So if you're in the
• 23:46
  Speaker 7: Seattle area, this seems like a fun show. I would
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: go if I live closer. It's pretty far from me.
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: But but yeah, so there you go.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Yeap, looks like a good time.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, I guess now it's time to move
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: into our main topic where we're gonna rank the Star
• 24:09
  Speaker 7: Trek dads.
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: So oh we go fun.
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: Well, now connect.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: All right, So I I put together one of these
• 24:21
  Speaker 7: your lists like we've done before. The Internet loves these
• 24:27
  Speaker 7: because so so Scott had the great idea. It's only
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: gonna be from the movies and the TV shows. We're
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: not gonna get into books, the video games, your fan fiction.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And then the other rule and we're not gonna do
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Daddy Daniel.
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: No, he's going right to the top, right right.
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: The other thing to you to remember, people, Uh, this
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: is the definitive list. If you disagree with it, I'm
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: sorry you're wrong. We do not make up the rules.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: This is just how it works. So that this is
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: the list. I kind of feel like we should do
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: like maybe a couple like like pegs of of here's
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: a bad dad, here's a good dad, here's a middle dad.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: Like set those and then we can we can kind
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: of Yeah, I feel like, who do you want to
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: go for bad dad? Like immediately, Yeah, that's that's kind
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: of what I thought. So we're immediately goes down to
• 25:34
  Speaker 7: the d He's just he's just done. Who do you
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: want to peg for a good dad?
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Let's see.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: Dad?
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: She was like the middle of the road dad.
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: I got one and it's controversial.
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: Okay, I's what I think. Du Katt Ducott from middle
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: of the road.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Yep, And let me explain to you why the guy
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: own daughter. No, he didn't murder his daughter.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: No, he's just thought about it.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he just thought about it, but didn't. Okay, his
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: right hand man murdered his daughter. So Damar murdered his daughter.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Think about what Ducott sacrificed for his daughter, what he
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: allowed his daughter to do in her best interest. Zial
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: was allowed to stay on the station with Kira so
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Dukat for his own daughter's sake, said, I'm going to
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: allow my daughter stay on a station that brings back
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: so many bad memories with a person that I hate,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Major Kira, because it's in her own best interests. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: he was able to set aside his hatred and his
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: bias of Bajorans and of the Federation and of Deep
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Space nine because it was in Ziel's best interest.
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: How many Mile of the Road dads do you know saying, hey,
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: where are the monuments to my greatness?
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, Hey, look some you know, you
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: might be a fair to Midland dad, but a complete
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: jerk in other areas.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Of your life. I'm just okay. I'm not saying he
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: didn't commit mass genocide.
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: Okay, I would say for the Middle of the Road dad,
• 27:22
  Speaker 7: it's miles. He's a working man, he'sa gets frustrated, he goes.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: But but but he took his family off the most
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: comfortable ship in the fleet and put them in the
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: ass crack of space on the front on the front here.
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: Just so you can go hang out with Julian all
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: the time.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on, let's move off of the
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Enterprise and go to this uh rotating bicycle wheel in
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: the sky right next to right next, well in the beginning,
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: uh uh, right next to the enemy, i e. The Cardassians,
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: and for the next seven years, right right next to
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: the enemy, the dominion.
• 28:07
  Speaker 7: M hm.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: So I don't know, as a dad, no, no.
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe what are we gonna put him a B
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: or C.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: There's you know, Scott, your military guy. There's base housing. Yeah,
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: and then there's bringing your family on the aircraft carrier
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: with you, right.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. He definitely went from like nice air force base housing,
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: not even an aircraft carrier.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: Getting this getting this up.
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you I didn't know you had a child on
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: the show.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: He had a child on Voyager Yeah, yeah, you and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: had a child named Q.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: And that's a fun fact. That was John Delancy's actual son.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: That's his son.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: All right, so the middle of the road dad, we're
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: going with with Miles.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Let's throw him up there for right now as a B.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: Let's remind the listeners to what the rankings are. There's
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: S that stands for super I guess, and then A B,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: C and D.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: This apparently this is based off some sort of Japanese
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: measuring system and the Internet loves it.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so we've got S A, B C D,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: where S is the best and D is the worst superior.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know whatever, man, it's yeah, this is
• 29:39
  Speaker 7: the order.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so what are we doing now? We're picking another
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: bad dad?
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: Well, but we just go down the line. So first
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: one on the list here is Jack Crusher.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: We don't know anything about it.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: We don't know much about him as as far as
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: parenting abilities. I mean, we know how he knows how
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: to die, now we don't.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: We know he set up the camp quarder before he died.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: The things he said on the camcorder makes me feel
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: like he was a good dad, you know, just the
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: fact that he took the time to you know, make
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: a recording for his kid.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: And yeah, okay, so here's the thing. Let's imagine. Let's
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: imagine that you're in a your you play your very
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: first game of baseball. You have one at bat and
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: and you belt one over the second basement and uh
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: and you get a triple okay, right, and then the
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: next inning you die. Are you a great baseball player? No,
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying you're a bad baseball player, but there's
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: there's there is not a statistically there's not a there's
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: not a statistically significant amount of data him as a
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: good father.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: He hits another who doesn't touch home. Yeah, you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: the first base or the catcher says what should I do?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: And Wharf says, find him and kill him, and.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: That's what happens. That's how Jack, that's what happened.
• 31:18
  Speaker 7: Yep, Yeah, I agree with you, Dan. I don't think
• 31:22
  Speaker 7: there's enough information. I also think though Beverly won't shut
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: up about him all the time, and Wesley so clearly
• 31:30
  Speaker 7: that he was good at something. But because we the
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: audience don't have enough, I would say c list not
• 31:36
  Speaker 7: quite horrible, but a little sub barga is we don't
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: have enough info.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but I would I wouldn't know, no, no, And
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: that's why I would say, you put him right in
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: the middle.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: I I agree, put him right in the middle of
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: solid b.
• 31:50
  Speaker 7: Okay, we'll put him b.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: U.
• 31:53
  Speaker 7: Next one is Kneelix.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: Nelox is nobody's dad.
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: Wasn't he a stepfather?
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: At the end of stepfather to that Talaxian kid?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: Did he marry did he marry her?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: He said he was going to ask her to marry.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: That's not the same thing. It's not a step dad.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: He's mom's boyfriend.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: But we can't punish him for not being a dad.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: No, I say, don't even put him on the list.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like, put Riker up there. Oh, wait,
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Riker is up there. Put a card up there?
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: In there is he?
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah? What was he a father?
• 32:31
  Speaker 9: Wait a minute, that's right, and in the inner light,
• 32:38
  Speaker 9: I'm going to fall.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: Was not a father, all was not a father. Good job,
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: thank you, thanks, thanks for that.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, I'll take him, take him off, Take
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: him off.
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: How about the doctor from Voyager? He had that hollow family.
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: Give them a D. Give him a D. He is
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: the most control He's the most controlling father I've ever met.
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: Evidence by the fact that he literally programmed his family.
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: And then he bailed on him when things got rough.
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: That's true.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: He went out for milk. Yeah, yeahs peace out.
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: That Yeah all right.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: The next one was Sulu from the movies the Kelvin Universe, and.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Well there's also evidence that he was a father in
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: the regular universe.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah. Again. I don't think there's enough data
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: to form an opinion, so I will put him in
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: the bee column.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: The h I think we have to. Yeah, I mean
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: she ended up in Starfleet.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: And and she uh, she said that, you know, dad
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: told a lot of stories about you know, the you
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: know so I think good dads tell tell good stories,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: So yeah, all right, Uh the next one probably uh
• 34:13
  Speaker 7: Dad of the year, Magnus Hansen, a k A. Seven
• 34:16
  Speaker 7: and Nine's dad.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh.
• 34:22
  Speaker 7: Now he took his daughter to observe the borg. That's
• 34:26
  Speaker 7: bad dad right there.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: That is that that is bad Yeah.
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: It's all sorts of bad dad.
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: But he by all accounts, he appeared to be loving.
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: Oh look at the giant, the beautiful great white shark.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: Don't stand too near a kid.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Come on, we gotta have some sea dads out there.
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: Okay, he didn't do it, Okay, I could see see
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: because he wasn't like malicious, Like he wasn't like I
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: can't wait for my daughter to turn it a borg.
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: But he's also not thinking things through.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: War was neglectful. But this guy was just not thinking
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: things through bad dad.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Either way, you're bored, doesn't matter.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: All ended up together anyways. They were one big, happy family. Yep.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Just just extended all right.
• 35:23
  Speaker 7: Now we got Picard Admiral Picard with his adult son.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: That's a tough one because like Kurt, I knew he
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: had a kid, but stayed away because Marcus asked him to.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: Picard didn't even know he had a son. Yeah, and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: then tried really hard at the end. So you can't
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: make him a bad dad.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna put him. I'm gonna say, yeah,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: I can't argue with that because I also I also
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: can't help but think about his his time in the
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: Nexus and how much he wanted to be a dad.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: Think about his time in the Inner Light when he
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: experienced fatherhood and grandfatherhood and you know how important all
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: that was to him, and and encouraging his his son
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: while also trying to keep him on the right path
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: and become successful. So I think he he was is
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: could have been a good dad. He's not Rom.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: But I have.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: To ignore first season Rom because first season Rom was
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: kind of a dick.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they didn't know the character yet.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: They didn't because he was all like I don't want you,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you know, hanging out with these humans and well he
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: also tried to kill his brother.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: He was in first Let's look at it this way.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: In the first season, he was a good Uh, he
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: was a good father judging by Ferengi standards.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and as time went on and he was exposed
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: to the greater world around him, he was a good
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: dad by universal standards.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Right, okay, yeah, do you.
• 37:22
  Speaker 7: See his latest chat. I can't watch this now, but
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: I'm so glad to see Dan is alive. I thought
• 37:28
  Speaker 7: Stratager had locked him up with.
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: Chad, who said that, uh, monomena, mon manomena.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Oh you're gonna get that in everybody's heads.
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: Now, yep, all right.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: Next one is Jordy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Jordy definitely not worst U.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Because he's a bit controlling.
• 38:00
  Speaker 7: He's running the museum. His daughters are in Starfleet. They
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: seem all good with them. There's no like anger between
• 38:08
  Speaker 7: them all.
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Dad not being home for dinner, which implies that even
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: as adults, his children still visit home. Yeah, which you know,
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: if you're not a good parent, as soon as they're
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: out of the house, they want nothing to do with you.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I call it a I wouldn't call it s
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the top two just because he seems to be a
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: little bit overprotective.
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: Yes, but I think As is pretty good. Yeah, all right,
• 38:35
  Speaker 7: Next one, is Sarah Spock's dad.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: There are so many iterations, and all three of them
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: have displayed dickish qualities, yes, but in the end they
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: always seem to And again we're kind of anthropomortiphizing these
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: dad qualities a little bit. So we do we judge
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: this based on our standards on Vulcan standards.
• 39:05
  Speaker 7: I think it's gonna be ours, right, because we're judging
• 39:07
  Speaker 7: off what we know, right, So I would say, yeah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: He always seemed to be a pretty shitty, not horrible,
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: just you know, he just didn't groove of anything you do.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And human friends are trash, and you.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: Know, for for holding himself to Vulcan standards and always
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: trying to hold his human half human son to Vulcan standards.
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: He only he only shags human ladies, right.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Well, because he's he's you know, the ambassadors to the Federation,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: So you know.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: It's it makes it was logical, yeah, Mary and Amanda
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: was was logical. Ye.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: But even his later wife, the one on TG she
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: was she was human.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, all right, so se list yeah, next one.
• 40:00
  Speaker 7: Riker mm hmmm.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: So he literally quit Starfleet and moved a planet away
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: to help to try to save his son.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and make pizza and make pizza and repair and
• 40:18
  Speaker 7: repair his family life.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to give him an a.
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think you can make an argument for s
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: that's a lot of sacrifice.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: That is a lot of sacrifice.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Well okay, is there anything to detract from him?
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Then?
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: I don't think so.
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: Like he had his party days, right, yeah, he put
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: those behind him once he had a family. He sacrificed
• 40:48
  Speaker 7: everything to be with him.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So at some point he will have to have
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: a conversation with his daughter because she's going she's going
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: to look the timeline and say, when did you and
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: mom meet? Um hmm, And when did you start When
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: did you start dating? Uh huh? And when did you
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: serve on the enterprise together? Uh huh? And then you
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: got married.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: When this time?
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: When did you get married? Yeah, so you talk about
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: he had his fun, he had his fun while she
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: was standing there watching him do it. Yeah, that's that's
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: kind of And then and then he has a daughter,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: so he now has to explain that to his daughter.
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: So you know, just imagine having to explain to your daughter,
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: why why you were so shitty to mom for those
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: ten years? Yeah, So I don't know.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: You explain that, you explained that to him.
• 41:50
  Speaker 7: Is he in the basement too?
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Can we get that we keep him there? Doesn't he
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: look like he could be my father?
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: I don't know did your mom want? And right now
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: we can ask Scott, Scott, do you do you want
• 42:03
  Speaker 7: him to be your father?
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I love da. We could we could we could just
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: say a little bit like.
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: We could just we could just say that he is
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: it's it's yeah, that'll make you if that'll make you
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: feel better?
• 42:18
  Speaker 7: All right, So we've put him age here. I say, yeah, yeah,
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: all right, I'm just saying an argument can be made
• 42:29
  Speaker 7: for us.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: I think an argument can be made for us.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: And once this is all in place, we can we
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: can read yeah.
• 42:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, we can move from all right? The next
• 42:39
  Speaker 7: one Booker Cleveland Booker. Who is this from Discovery?
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Oh? There was a show called Discovery.
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: Oh is this the guy? Is this the guy who
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: was in season three of twenty one Jump Street and
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: then got his own show for one season?
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was a dad.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah he was.
• 42:57
  Speaker 7: At the end right at the end of Discovery. We
• 42:59
  Speaker 7: saw the prolog where they had a kid.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw nothing of their relationship.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw nothing, nothing.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: So we'll throw them in the bee column. We have
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: almost no information.
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: Okay, well, I mean we don't have any information.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: And then there's Miles who was like, eh, he was good,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: not great.
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: I mean, based off the earlier argument, their adult son
• 43:21
  Speaker 7: did come back to visit when they were still an
• 43:24
  Speaker 7: adult him and hang out with the family, so that
• 43:27
  Speaker 7: that's all good dad behavior stuff.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I don't.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: But I don't like him, and I don't like the
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: show he was on. Well part of that are you
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: not getting.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Wait, you didn't like it?
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: A cat? I hate cats?
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Wow?
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: Dog person man?
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: All right, put it this way. Put it this way.
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: How many times have I jumped out of this van
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: to go save a cat?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: And I can't think of that boom?
• 43:58
  Speaker 7: All right, Next one, Doc the bank from the Strange
• 44:02
  Speaker 7: two Worlds.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna give Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna give him
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: the A Yeah, me too. This this guy, this guy lied,
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: lied to his his employer, stole from his employer, falsified
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: records from his employer, and his government yep, to save
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: his daughter.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and then in the end made the most difficult
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: decision to let his daughter.
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: Go, yeah, yeah, yep, I agree with you.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: That's some good dad stuff right there.
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: So he may he may shift to the S column
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: upon argument later.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: But to be an S dad is to be a
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: kind of dumb, I mean a little bit loving.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think I think there's more than that.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: He he he rejected everything about his own culture and
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: put his son first. He rejected everything in his own
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: life and put his son first, and threaten and threatened
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: to burn his brother's business to the grand if you
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: f with my son again, I will burn the bar
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: to the ground. That Yeah, he stays there. He stays
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: right there in that column, don't you think about Yeah?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Right right, all right, let's go to this next jack
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: at this guy.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: Richard Basher put him right down in the D column.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Not only is he a terrible dad, he is probably
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: the worst human being in the history of Star Trek.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: And he is a perfect example of why communism and
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: socialism will never work. Class class a piece of ship.
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: He lived in you, he lived in utopia. Everything he
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: wanted and needed was provided to him by his government.
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: And his son was his son was a little bit slow. Yeah,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: So so he subjected his son to dangerous and illegal
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: medical experimentation for what for his own ego? His son
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: lived in utopia. Also, his son would have had every
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: need provided to him for his entire life. That was
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: not good enough for this piece of shit right here, okay.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: And then he spent the rest of his days pretending
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: he was a viable member of society. Oh, a lirdscape architect.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: Shut up your piece of garbage. He contributes nothing, nothing, nothing,
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: So that.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: What I'm hearing, right, Do you not like doctor Bashir's dead?
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: No?
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Now, in the end, he does sacrifice his freedoms for
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: his son's career.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me give you and even and even that,
• 47:03
  Speaker 4: and even that was look at what I'm doing for you?
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
• 47:09
  Speaker 7: Did doctor Besure, though, with his enhance abilities, not save
• 47:14
  Speaker 7: an entire planet from a horrific plague?
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: Hey? Sins of the father and you know, the good
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: deeds of the sun don't make a good you know.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm saying here, And here's the thing. Even in
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: the end, Yeah, he went to prison. He went to
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Federation prison, right he would We saw we saw a
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Federation prison.
• 47:36
  Speaker 7: Is that what they call it?
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: It was, you know, Tom Parris, you know, oh, I'm
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: gardening today, right, But.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Julians have nothing to do with it. I mean,
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: my dad was a great guy. But you know the
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: fact that i'm you know, an awesome trek cast host
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: is not reflected on. It doesn't make my dad a
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: great guy.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: My dad was a great guy. That's a great guy.
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: So all right, Next one restaurant Cisco.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: Joseph Cisco lied to his son about who his mother was.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Oh that's that's a few deduction points right there.
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he but he makes good gumbo, so you know,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: and and his his his adult son visits him all
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Well, they do seem to have a good relationship, you know, and.
• 48:23
  Speaker 7: He's got a good relationship with his grandson.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Pushed him to shove.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: You know, Old Cisco decided, I'm gonna go on this
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: trek with you, son, because you know, you seem to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: need all the help you can get.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna shut the restaurant down, and I'm gonna
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: comb the desert sands, not actual combs.
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: But yeah, he also was difficult though, when when they
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: were trying to uh basically do them looking for change.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he also uh he also conspired with the Klingons
• 48:55
  Speaker 4: and the Romulans to keep the Federation at war with the.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: True with the on. So how's the time to bring
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: them to their knees.
• 49:06
  Speaker 7: He didn't say that.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: He did say that. So for those of you who
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: don't know Ben's uh what's his name?
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Joseph Cisco and Admiral Cartwright, who were played by.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: The same actor.
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Brock Peters.
• 49:23
  Speaker 7: Are thinking B list C list? What are we thinking? B?
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put it in B for now.
• 49:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because he's complicated like most people.
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: He's done some good, he's done some bad.
• 49:34
  Speaker 7: Speaking of complicated, Kirk James c C see really yeah.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: An argument maybe made could be made for B. But
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, Carol Marcus asked him for this. Don't don't
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: contact David, don't be in his life. I don't want
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: you in his life. But a good dad would have said,
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: you know what threw that, I'm going to be in
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: this kid's life no matter what you say, even though
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: you don't like my lifestyle.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: You know I'm a good person and he deserves no
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: so yet see see yeah.
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: So here here's a here's a question. So, since there's
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: no money in the federation, what's child what's child support?
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Look like.
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: Seventeen zero zero right, yeah.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have seventeen percent of my non star fleet,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: hey said to Carol Marcus everyone.
• 50:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah, all right, next one worst dad Rashinko.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Play him near the top of the list.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Was a problem child that Serge had to deal with,
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: and that right there gives him a lot of parent points.
• 50:54
  Speaker 7: Didn't didn't murder another kid as a kid.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I wouldn't call it murder at murder though they.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they talked about that story in Day's nine. They
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: were playing soccer and yeah, they both went up for the.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: Ball and and they knocked heads and the other kid died.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Wharfs that he barely felt it.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Wharf Wharf was not only a he was not only adopted,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: and he was not only an orphan. He was a
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: war orphan. M M yeah, so you know his dad,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: Serge is that his name Jenko was an enlisted He
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: wasn't even an officer. He was an enlisted member of
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: Starfleet who who took this child of the enemy as
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: his own son and raised him and loved him as
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: his own son and even arranged, even arranged for him
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: to visit his family on on Kronos from time.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: To time still still.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: Still now you're right, yeah, put him up there still
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: made sure to expose him to his own, his own
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: culture and what's good, that's good.
• 52:10
  Speaker 7: Following right there, this ward asshle who was always I
• 52:13
  Speaker 7: am son of mo I am.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yeah, Actually in Picards season three, didn't he
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: didn't he introduce himself as didn't he throw of the house?
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, of the house.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even think he mentioned son of Mogue
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: of the house mark of the House of Rugenka.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pops and some props, all right, yeah, an adopted son,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you know, adopted dad, a lot of props war orphan.
• 52:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, are sure that that's you got me? All right?
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: Trip?
• 53:02
  Speaker 7: Not because baby? And then he was also pregnant on
• 53:06
  Speaker 7: that one ship, so that's true.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: And he also he also fathered a clone of himself.
• 53:12
  Speaker 7: He's a father multiple.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Times in all the ways you can be.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: A Trip is a triple father. Yes, oh nice.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know that scene where after the baby dies,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: you got to hand it to the actor.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: I I really liked that scene. He brought that.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was obviously in the worst possible emotional
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: pain that you can be in when he was talking to.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: Tapa and and.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: And he said, you know, the doctor said that there's
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: no reason why a human and a vulcan couldn't, you know,
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: go on to raise a healthy you know, the reason
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: why our kid died had nothing.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: To do with your vulcan.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: And I'm human, and I mean I was bawling my
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: eyes out during that scene. And you could see Trips
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: pain kind of near to an excellent job in that
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: scene of just you know, breaking down emotionally. So that
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: that pain that he felt, the pain that he expressed,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: I think is the sign of a good dad, you know,
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: even though we don't have a lot of information on him,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: which I.
• 54:24
  Speaker 7: Think we don't have information. I think I could see
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: him being in a but we don't have enough.
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: So yeah, we might revisit that. But yeah, all.
• 54:39
  Speaker 7: Right, next one, Tom Barrism.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: He was a father in the show for three minutes
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: and eleven seconds, So I'm.
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: Not in the Year of Hell. We saw was it
• 55:01
  Speaker 4: Year of Hell? No? Not Year of Hell? What's the
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: one where Cass was moving through time? We saw the different?
• 55:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah, and so he had he does have
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: a daughter with Cass who's dating Harry Kim.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: And Harry Kim. Harry Kim should be on this list.
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: He had a daughter, Yeah, Tom was Tom's granddaughter.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: Grand granddaughter. Yeah, okay, I mean with a confidence. It
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: makes everybody a pedophile because they're all yeah.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: Except they went these two guys went from trying to
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: hook up with the Delaney sisters to one guy dating
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: the other guy's daughter. It's just weir.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about yeah. I mean even Depaula was
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: like sixty three years old on on Enterprise.
• 55:52
  Speaker 7: So well, then where do you want to where do
• 55:58
  Speaker 7: you want to put him? Then sealift.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: No, he wasn't a bad dad.
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: No, we just don't have any data. He's got to
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: go be all right.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: And this list is kind of looking the way it's
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to. It's it's supposed to be kind of a belcher. Yeah,
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: all right, let's go with this next piece of ship.
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Oh wait wait wait is this your granddad?
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: He is appost to be my grandfather.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: He's right right, I'm gonna take a paris he squares
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: stick and shove it.
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: Anyways, So the way.
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: I'm going to judge the way I'm going to judge
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: him is I'm going to say that after seven years
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: of being stuck on that planet by himself and thinking
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: he will never see another human being again. Thomas Reiker
• 56:57
  Speaker 4: got rescued by the Enterprise D and had zero interest
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: in patching ship up with this piece of garbage. Ye. Yeah,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: so for that reason, I'm gonna say D squarely in
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: the lumn.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I can see that he didn't get along with
• 57:15
  Speaker 7: his kids. He was just an arrogant jerk. Yeah, D
• 57:19
  Speaker 7: list is.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: All right because Ryker, I like, I really love Riker's character.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I think he's a great guy, and he's charismatic and
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: he's he's good with people. You know, if you're a
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: decent person, he likes you and gets along with you.
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: He couldn't stand his dad, so.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, okay, freaks doesn't like you, then you're on
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: my ship list too.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: Did you add did you add Kim or Oh? Okay?
• 57:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 57:54
  Speaker 7: Next is data.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: I I think you're right. I think you gotta go
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: a he you break it down into its fatherhood, to
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: its base elements, and without emotions to guide him, he
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: he created a life and took care of it as
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: best he could.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: Given the.
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah he yeah, he did his I mean I
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: would imagine he did his best to save her. Yeah,
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: did what he thought was best, for the decisions he made,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: for the way he guided her, you know, wanting to
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: stay on the enterprise.
• 58:47
  Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Everything said, I'm a supportive, loving, nurturing dad. And and
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: by the way, I don't have any emotions to guide me.
• 58:55
  Speaker 7: When you confronted Raker, what are your intentions of my daughter?
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So here's the thing. I you know, there's something
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: that I've said to my kids from the time they
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: were very little, whenever they're scared about something. I asked
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: them a question. I said, what's daddy's number one job?
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: And they know the answer. They say, to protect me?
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: And I said, yeah, to protect you. I'm not gonna
• 59:18
  Speaker 4: let anything bad happen to you.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: And that's and I believe that that's the number one
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: job of a father and he and he did that so.
• 59:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he goes up top.
• 59:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah all right.
• 59:34
  Speaker 7: Harry Kim added into the rings he had a baby.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Right, and yeah, I think he should be right next
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: to Tom.
• 59:45
  Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, I can do that.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, put the put the weirdos together.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Put the weirdos together, they d and weirdos.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah all right.
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: Admiral Paris.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Again, we don't have a ton of information.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Uh, we we a little bit about what Tom said.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 7: Tom's kind of an asshole.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Tom is kind of an asshole.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: And you know, I think in the end, Admiral Paris
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: was glad to see his son, no matter what the
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: circumstances were. But again, we I think I think Admiral
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Paris belongs next to Lieutenant Paris.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he did. In the end, he did.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't think he did anything that
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't have done if his son wasn't on that ship.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: He had a job to, you know, run the past
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: Finder program and bring Voyage home and he did it.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that just makes him a good Starfleet officer.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 7: That that's why I think ce List like, yeah, all right, Q.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: I think got two episodes that where he was a father,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: uh the very end of Q whatever Voyager episode where
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: they make a maybe and then the episode where Q
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: boy and echub Uh getting the high Hinks together, which
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: he wanted to abandon his kid.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: And no, no, I don't think he wanted to abandon
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: his kid. I think he knew enough that I'm not
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 4: the best person to fix the problem. Right, For an
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: omnipotent being to say there's somebody who might know more
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 4: than this, more about this than.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 7: Me, takes a big Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: Liked to admit when he's wrong.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: I made me ognipotent, but I don't know everything.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: He's got an IQ of two thousand and five.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He might be an a dad.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 7: He wanted the best things.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: Did I don't know about that?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 7: He was a god who humbled himself.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: All right, So so what you have to do sometimes
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: when it's tough, Yeah, you have to you have to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: ask yourself a question like, Okay, if he's going to
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: go into a column that means Q is a better
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: dad than Miles O'Brien. Is that a true statement? And
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 4: if it's not, you can't put him in that column.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: No, no, or Joseph Cisco no or trip no.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 7: All right, all right, my b list he's a B
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 7: list dad, all right, Tuvac.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: There is nothing that I can think of it would
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: not put him in the say a ish column. He
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: he talks a little bit about his relationship with his sons.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: He was talking to Ensign Wildman about you know, he's
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: tried to comfort her because they.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: Were about to die.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he comforts her by saying, you know, my
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: son and my daughter are in good hands because I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: raised them, and I know for a fact that they're
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: going to be okay because they I instilled my morals
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: and my code and my ethics and they got a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: good mom.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah. That is.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: I think that's one of the hallmarks of good father.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: And he was confident that. I don't see any reason
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: why he was not telling the truth, So, you know not,
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: I think this is I think on this list, I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: think this is one time where we can't anthropomorphize it.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: We have to sort of go by Vulcan standards because
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: that's just the way they are and the way they've
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: been portrayed.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: And I think because of that, I think he goes
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: into a column.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah, doesn't isn't he talking?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: Is it?
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 7: Nelix weren't like Nelix wanted to have a boy and
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 7: was gonna have a girl, And Tubac was like, why
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: would my daughter have any difference of love or care
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: than than my son's or right?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: So you I think he treated all of his kids fairly.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: I think, you know, by all accounts. By all accounts,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: he was a good dad. I think the only thing
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: that would detract about this is they're all in the military,
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: they're all in starf No. I think that deducts a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: couple of points from a lot of them.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 7: But no, but yeah, a list is fine for me.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Cisco talking about complicated single dad, single dad raised yep
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: from from the age of like he was like, how
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: old was Jake eleven? Twelve? Yeah, something like that when
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: they when they had to, you know, eject the escape pod.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 11: Also he spaced Jesus yet so so one of my
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 11: one of his uh, one of his flaws is in
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 11: the final episode, he went away, right, yeah, And it
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 11: doesn't make sense him going away because if.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: If the Wormhole aliens do not lead a linear existence
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: and time is meaningless, then he can go with them
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 4: forty years from now. He doesn't have to go with
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 4: them now, right, So he left his son, He left
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 4: his son behind, He left his sons behind in a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: new baby that does that doesn't know his father. So
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 4: for for seven point nine five seasons or excuse me,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: six point ninety five seasons of Star Trek Deep Space nine,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: he was a great dad. Uh, screwed it up in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: the end. Yeah, in my in my opinion, So I
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: think that's what keeps him out of the S column,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: and I think keeps him out of the A column.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: That's I will give the counter. When he's about to leave.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: He even says I could be back yesterday. He didn't
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 7: know when he was going to come back.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: There's nothing in Cannon saying how long he was gone.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 7: Right, And he thought he could be back in a moment.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Right, So we don't know that he left them for
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: a long period of time.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: Could be a year, it could be yesterday.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I think that keeps him back in the A column
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: all right, because the.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Moments all out of all the Star Trek fathers, there
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: were more father son moments between him and Jake than
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: anything else in Trek. And honestly, the tenderness he showed Jake,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: the the time he.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 7: Spent with him, even even with the wormhole.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: Anil baseball, and you know, trying, you know, just all
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: the dinners and yeah, you know, trying to let him
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: become his own man, and not going back for him
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: on on DA's nine when they abandoned the station, because
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: he's he's his own you know, trying to juggle him
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: being a man versus him being a son, and you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: letting him find his own path.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: There was a there was there was a fine line.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: There was a tight rope there, and I think he
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: I think he walked that type rope with Grace chat.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 7: What do you guys think Cisco s Tier eight tier?
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 6: What do you think? I I think.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: He's whenever whenever I whenever I hug my sons. For
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: some reason, I always think about I think about Ben
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: hugging Jake, like, you know, especially now because in the
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: later seasons when Ben Cisco hugs Jake, he's so much right.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm five eleven and a half and my son
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: is like six two sixty three. Yes, I'll grab his
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: head like like benzaes and I'll kiss him on the forehead.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: So yeah, there's a special place in my heart for
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: the relationship that they have.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: So, so what are you saying I'm saying.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I'm saying s here.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: Oh man, you're gonna make me be the asshole that
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: keeps was not a good father. That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 7: I mean, even the Chad saying, jas.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: Let me see, let me look at who else is
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: in s here?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 7: Rom Yeah, okay?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: And who's who's in the eight tier?
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 7: The car Jordy Riker and Benga Data Dubac, all right,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: put him in the S. Yeah, that's what I thought,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 7: That's what I whoa.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Right? All right?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: Next, one of the greatest father.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: I did nothing wrong. Everything did for the Pajoring people.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 7: I was the greatest leader.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 7: God is the greatest dad.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: Just ask him.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Put him in the no, do not put him in
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: the D column. Put in the column wait here?
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 7: Why?
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: Because he loved his daughter. It was obvious he loved
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: his daughter.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: And he did one thing for his daughter that went
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: against everything he believed in. He let his daughter go
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: and live with Kira. What about his other kids? I
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: don't care about his other kids. All the only kids
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: I know about his.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: Wow, if he cared about his other kids, he always
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 4: wouldn't have I'm just saying, well, he wouldn't have been
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't have been shagging but jarring women on the station.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: He married.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 4: He was a married man.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: He was married, shitty husband. That makes them a shitty husband.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 7: You guys ever played the Super Mario games? Yeah, yeah, okay,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: in my head to Cott is like Koopa, and all
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 7: the other kids are like the kids, and he's constantly
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 7: putting them in danger. He just has his own dream.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: Built an empire for his children. Okay, he gave each
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: one of his children a flying ship.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 4: All right, So I'm gonna put this, I'm gonna put
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 4: this in perspective.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, gold Doucott.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: Gold Doucott is Star Trek's version of Arnold Schwarzenegger. Arnold
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: schwartz has has four kids, and one of them is
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: with the maid. Yeah, and his previous kids, his original kid,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: his proper kidszeggers. Yes, want nothing to do with their brother.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 4: What a shitty what a shitty situation. But he created it, He.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: Created created That doesn't make him a shitty dad, which
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: does it?
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: Sure does, Absolutely it does. He broke up his own family.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that, I understand. I understand.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I still think Goldecott did. Don't get me wrong. I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: hate Caldecott as much as everybody does.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: But in the end, one of your jobs a father,
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: one of your jobs as a father is to give
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: your give your children the best possible situation going forward.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Which is exactly what Golducott did when he lets.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: Live having a child out of wedlock with another woman
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: when you're still married. You know what, it's the opposite
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: of that.
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 7: Let's use the thing Dan said earlier, is Golden caught
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 7: a better father than.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: The Kyle record?
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 7: Yes, than who the doctor from Voyager.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: That we've misplaced the doctor from Voyager?
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 7: No, no, that's because this just feels right.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 4: This.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: Is there anybody in the chat that will back me
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: up on this?
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: Please?
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: They have not been springing forth earlier.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: Can you do me a favor, Daniel? Can you do
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: I know he was never on Star Trek, but can
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 4: you find a thumbnail of Arnold Schwarzenegger and put these
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: two pieces of ship right next to each other in
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: the Yeah?
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I need my strong eared fans to come forth
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: and defend me.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: They come and pal, Yeah they are not.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, alright, moving on all right? Next one, Rios.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: Rios, when he was established that they got married.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he was gonna be a stepdad.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: Oh that's right, that's right. He polluted the timeline with
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: his lineage.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: His seed.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he polluted the timeline with his seed. Yeah. I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 4: mean we did, we didn't, we didn't.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: He was cool, he'd be a cool dad.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: He got himself killed at a bar fight.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, defending.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I think he got himself killed in a bar fight,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: like protecting something or protecting somebody.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they kind of make an allusion to that, but
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 7: you know, yeah.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 4: No, but I could probably count on one hand the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: number of times I've been in a bar since I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: had children.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the same here.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 7: I feel like he's a sea dad.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: But you happen in a bar?
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: We have no idea if this was a frequent thing
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: for him, or maybe he just went to the bar to,
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: you handle something that needed to be handled. I don't
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: think he was just in a bar, got drunk and
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: then got in.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: A bar fight. Maybe he had to go to that
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: bar to confront the problem. But we don't know.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: So we know nothing about him. We know nothing about
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: the type of mom.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: That's what I was after the kids, afterthought, so ce list.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: He goes squarely in the B column.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 6: Do you think?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: So?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Yep? How long would yeah?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Oh and screw this next guy. I'm just gonna have
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: kids that one of them turns out right.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor noonian soon, Yes.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm gonna have I'm gonna have a real kid.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna tell anybody about him.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: It shows up in uh season three of whatever season
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 4: I don't when he shut up. Yeah, no, he was in.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: The first season. Yeah.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: So he builds one an and he becomes before builds
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: a second android becomes lore Lare is a piece of crap.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: So he's like, well, I'm just gonna build a third android.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and uh no, you can program the.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: I I I'm gonna because I mean not giving him
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: emotions when he gave the second child emotions.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: That's a dick move man.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so we can feel how it feels to be abandoned.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: You know. And then he did call his he did recall.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Him to give him emotions. Which does that make him
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: a better father than the wharf?
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 4: Well, well, you know what, look at it this way.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: On his deathbed, he was still he was still fighting
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: to to uh give his children the best life moving forward.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 4: M hm. He knew he had days to live, and
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: he's like, no, I gotta I gotta make things better
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 4: for Data before I go.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a good count as good fathering.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: Well, he also told him. He also told him, Hey, hi,
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: hi Jacket, hijack your ship and come see me that's
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: not exactly the best.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: The Road to Hell. Yeah, and argument could be made
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: for c r D. I mean I think I think, see, okay,
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: let's put him in the sea.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 7: And then we're just giving up on you l so so.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 4: So what we're saying is Nodian's song is a better
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 4: dad than Arnold Schwarzeneger. Got it. That's a big takeaway.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 7: Okay, Yes, yeah, Arnold's in there. I got him in,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 7: I got.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 5: I got.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: H you know, Nelix, I was gonna put him. I
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: don't know, I was going to put him in the
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: b colmn. We don't know that much. But he was
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: a surrogate father to Naomi.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: I think he did an excellent job basically raising Naomi.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: I think those characteristics to be transferred.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 7: To Yeah, he also did date a two year old.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Again, you're I'm going to use that big word again, Daniel.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: You're anthropomorphizing because that two year old had the mental
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: capacity of a twenty year old. Although even that's a
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: little weird like.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 7: That somethingth yeah on the internet.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh god, no, stop stop talking, stop.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 6: Talk, stop talk.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 7: I think you just made a list.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: They they you made it.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: You made a different list, Buddy.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: The Delta Flyers, the the age difference between Jennifer Lane
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: and uh Ethan Phillips. It was a little bit weird.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: Mm that's what No. I won't say, I say b
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 4: he was.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 2: I think he was a good father. We just don't
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: know a whole lot.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: Dan, what do you what are you thinking?
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: Look at his relationship with Naomi.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: I'm thinking, see so.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: All the things that he did for Naomi and for
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: Anson Wilman, Like, you're not gonna give me any credit
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: for that?
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: Man, It's true, it's not his kid.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Godfather. He was Naomi's godfather fathers in that word.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 7: Did he not help with the board kids too?
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep, yeah, absolutely yeah. I mean would you
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: be okay with him being your like godfather? I would be.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 4: I look at this list, Yeah, And I just I
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: just can't imagine. I'm having fun imagining these characters looking
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: at this list. I'm imagining the Doctor looking at this
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 4: list and seeing Nelix's two rungs above him.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Doctor and Dakatt would be pissed. Wharf would
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: be like, this is an honorable list. I belong.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny you look you look at the list, right,
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 4: Wharf's at the bottom. His own father is at the top. Yeah, Cisco,
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: Cisco is at the top, his own fathers is. Well,
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: he's two rungs down. But it's just funny how being
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: a good father doesn't make your children a good father
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: and vice versaces pissed that.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: Ram is so much above him, oh very much? So, yes,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: bring that is true. Yeah, but I feel like it's
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: emotional to make you feel bad about putting in in
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: the Yeah.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 4: No, I'm happy with this list. Yeah, I think this
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: is uh. I think it's a valid list.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm good with it.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: I think should go one rung up. But other than that, all.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: Right, then then you gotta put on old Swartzenegger with him,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: which I know you don't want to do so.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: No, I don't want to do.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 7: For those of you listening, do you want to go
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 7: through the through the categories real quick?
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 6: So much?
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: Remember we got S through D it's S which is superior,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: and then a B C D.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so do you want to For the people who
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: are listening audio only.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 6: You want to?
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 7: You want to read them all? Red D list, We
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 7: got war, we got the doctor from Voyager. We have
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 7: was a named Cryol yeah, Goldicott and Arnold Swartzenegger.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yes, a terrible fathers those are the worst.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 7: For the worst uh CE list, we have Magnus Hanson
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 7: UH seven to nine's dad, Sarah Kirk Nonian Sung Data's dad,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 7: and Admiral Paris Tom's dad. So our middle of the
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 7: road dad's b list just average decent dads. We got Miles,
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 7: we got Jack Crusher older Jack Crusher, not Picard's son,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 7: Jack Crusher, uh Booker from Discovery, uh Zulu Restaurant Cisco,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 7: Old Cisco, Grandpa Cisco, trip quh Tom, Harry Rios, and Neelix.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 7: Our a list are you know great? You know good dads?
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 7: Not great, but good. We've got Picard, Jordie Riker, doctor
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 7: Vega from Strange New Worlds, uh Data, and Tuvak from Voyager.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: And then our we have four next dads in column.
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, And then our s lists are top tier,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 7: the Kreme de la Creme of fatherhood. We've got rom
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 7: We've got Sergey Rushenko, Wharf Dad and Papa Cisco the original.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: So just just two more things I would like us
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: to do. Yeah, for just the S column and the
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: and the D column. Yeah, I would like to figure
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 4: out who is the grand champion of dads for Star
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: Trek and put that person in the first first slot
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: of the s column and at the same time biggest
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 4: biggest piece of ship deadbeat dad in the in the
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: universe and put them uh to the right of Arnold
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: Schwarzenegger in that column. So commen commence commence arguing.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're gonna go as your top
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 7: of the top of Schier, it comes down to Rom
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 7: and and yeah, yeah, yeah, I think which I would.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 4: Really see I was gonna say.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 7: Why I say Rum. I'll give this Rom not only
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 7: was Super allowed his kid to do whatever he wanted
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 7: to do when his own kid admitted, I don't want
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 7: to be my father, I want to go into Starfleet
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 7: and he and he was cool with that, and he
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 7: let his kid go into Starfleet. And then later when
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 7: he became the Grand Nagas he went and implemented all
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 7: sorts of societal changes to make things better for their
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 7: for their world.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a good argument. I think you've
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: changed my mind. I think I'm gonna so.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: You think he's not only Rom's dad, but he's the
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 4: father of That's right, he's the father. He's the founding
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 4: father of modern Yeah, he's he's it's him, all right,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 4: So so leave him right there, go down to the bottom,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: pull Richard two slots of the right because he's the
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: biggest piece of it in the universe, and then we'll
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: go we'll go to use your feedback.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: That's perfect, that's perfct. Let's go to use your feedback.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: AI.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, except for the chat.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 5: Listener feedback.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone's exing up in the chat
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: to join us. We're already like running super right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 7: So does chas Biz wanna want to Yeah, he's already
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: chime chime in.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: And tell us what a piece of ship Richard is.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: I got a really long email from duvaul. I will
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 7: read it next week because it is so long, and
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 7: we're already rinning so bine, so we'll get jas Biz.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: You're already xed up, so he's gonna be coming on.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 6: In a second.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 7: But I like the list. I think it was fun.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 7: Oh there he is, all right, there's jas Biz. Hey, Hey,
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 7: what do you think of the list?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: I liked it?
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 6: Did you?
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: Guys?
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 5: And Kirkstad from the movies.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: Oh, George Kirk giving the alto sacrifice to save god
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: born son.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: How did we forget for Yeah, Jesus, we got to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: do the whole thing over.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: A category.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's he's in the air, he's a yeah, he's
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: a yeah.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Sacrifice himself, sacrificed himself to a s Right, this is
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: the top one.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: Unborn child save everybody on this ship.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: He could unhesitantly.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you think es here for that?
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: I mean he gave his life, you know, Yeah, I think,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: I think I think a Okay, okay, okay, we don't
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: know a whole lot about it.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: He was going to be an admiral.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's there's the JJ universe George Kirk, and
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: then there's the regular George Kirk. Because George Kirk lived
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: long enough to see him graduate Starfleet Academy, right, and
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: by all accounts he was like one of the you know,
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: inspirations for him to join Starfleet.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: So he must have been a good day.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 7: We can put him as here. I'll give you that,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 7: but it doesn't change rum standing.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: Still is still the best.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, we'll do that.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: The best like redemption story, because he was a piece
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: of crap at the beginning and now he's grand Negas.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 6: So yeah, yeah, all right, there you go.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: Chas Bists. Take take a minute and tell us how
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: much you hate Richard.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: I think a lazy, very slight on the humanity, just
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: a lead.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 4: Perfect perfect, that just sucks.
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: Can you tell us about your father, the bad guy
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: from over the Top chasmist.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 6: Over the Top.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 5: Well, he's not driving the truck right now, and he's.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, I hope you I hope
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: your truck's not idling.
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 8: Uh so that was a list, it was. That was
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 8: a long episode, guys, But sorry about that. The rant
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 8: on as stat's always my favorite.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you might have to put a warning. I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: think we used the word the S word quite a bit.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: Well, it's like the Lower Decks episode where they go
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 5: to the planet and they give up money and everything.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah yeah, oh right, right, everybody gets up
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: their wealth and you know, just kind of pandemonium. Right, yeah,
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: that's exactly what would happen here, be just pure pandemonium.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 5: It takes years before people would settle. Then you'd be
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 5: in breadlines. So yeah, everybody likes the breadline, so.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 6: Who doesn't.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: Oh, I smell bacon.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So what do you guys do for
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 5: Father's Day?
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: Hopefully eating some bacon, eating bacon.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty much my.
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: Little boat out yesterday, cleaning it up. So I'm gonna
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: go get some fuel and start it up and maybe
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: take it out on the lake Austin.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, not sure. I was homesick all day yesterday and
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 4: I'm still a little under the weather, so I don't
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: know if I'm gonna be venturing out. I play it
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 4: close to home today.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you probably got a communical disease when you punch
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: that guy in the face.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 5: Gotta put him in the body bag. So he was like,
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 5: you know, they start cheating. Karate here, karate here, no
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 5: karate here.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: Well, for me, yesterday was my oldest nephew's birthday. Tomorrow
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: is my niece's birthday, his sister. It's Father's Day today,
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: so we're all getting together to celebrate everybody. Yeah yeah, yeah.
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: Next time you do a tournament, Dan, I will be
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: your cut each, my chut each. All right, So I
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: d bandage.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 5: How far did you make in the five Burroughs this year?
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Five Burroughs? I did. I didn't even make it.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 12: I didn't.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 5: I did.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: I did it was I went to stay with my son.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: It was a fun movie. It's kind of silly, but yeah,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 5: That kid's got some skills.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, he's good.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 5: That kid was like, he can do some awesome stunts.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 7: He's gonna make a great Robin in the DC in
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 7: a few years.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Man, if I say that kid could have been a
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 5: good shank Chi or something, you know, like he's freaking awesome.
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: Can you answer one quick question, Dan, without spoiling the movie?
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: Do they acknowledge the Cobra Kai universe at all?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 4: In a post post crowd it's seen?
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, mm hmm, all right.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 7: I saw the scene on on TikTok whether I wanted
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 7: or not, and showed.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: Upday somebody spoiled it for you.
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fine.
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all the more, all the more reason I got
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 4: my Superman tickets already. Yep, we're going Saturday afternoon. Friday morning,
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: I'm probably going uh social media dark yep and uh
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: and oh yeah, Saturday afternoon, we're going to see it.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 4: If if somebody somebody spoils it in line, uh at
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: the theater, I'm a punching right in the face.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that'll be that, and I'll be right behind you.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: As you each.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: Date on that maybe the eleven. Well, he's gonna go
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: see on the twelfth, but it comes out on the
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: tenth on Thursday.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 7: I'm seeing it on the eighth.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: Nice and honestly, if it comes out on Thursday, I
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: might sneak out and see it and not tell my
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: son and just see.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: It right with him that I've already been in the
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: following weekend, Yeah, at Keeper Theater. So I'm gonna go
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: see an imax. I know.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at that my wife's schedule and I'm like,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 5: dang it, she works the whole weekend, so I'm not
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 5: to seeing the following Monday. Yeah, so not to go
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: internet silent, and that's gonna be.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Very hard to go see it, you know, Thursday night
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: or Friday, like weird.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll take a three hour lunch on Thursday. Tell
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 4: my boss, hey, I got a doctor's appointment.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: That's the longest movie, two hours and eleven minutes long.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 5: Got second traffic.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Man, It's like, Daniel, I think we're gonna have to
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: devote a show to it.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 7: I think so too.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, I think you.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 5: Guys thought to devote showed to that and fantastic. I mean,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: this is a big month next month.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 7: Well, the problem with that is strange in the world.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 5: Right, twenty thirty minutes after you.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Know, if you don't know, Yeah, we did twenty thirty
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: minutes on gold Cat today, So that's true.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: That's true only only because we had to set somebody straight.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 7: Right, that's right.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 5: Well, Tod like, come on the guys, he's like a rapist,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: Horrible person, like hole person, but just a sort of
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: a kind of bad dad.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 7: Yeah you think, all right, Well we should wrap up
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 7: because we've gone so long.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 4: Speaking of Dad's my dad's call and hold on minute, guys. Yeah,
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: hey Dad, you're live on trek cast. What's up? Oh
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: I just quick, I want to day. Oh I love you.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: Happy Father's Day. All right, I'll call you soon. Have
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 4: a nice day you too, Love you, Pop. Okay, bye bye.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: Well that's nice, that's all.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my dad wouldn't do that.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: I'd be really surprised if my dad did. He passed
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. So yeah, he's in a celestial tuple,
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: that's right.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: What's he's a warble alien?
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, God, he's.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: Space Jesus now yeah space he's rocking it out with
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 5: Michael Burnham and let LESCo.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: All right, yeah, Happy Father's Day, everybody.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 4: Happy Father's Day everyone.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll catch you next time.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 12: This is Captain Benjamin Cisco of Deep Space nine and
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 12: Space God to the Bajorans. I have a mission for you.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 12: This falls outside of Starfleet guidelines, so I can't order you,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 12: but I'm asking for volunteers. Volunteers who will subscribe to
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 12: the trek Cast YouTube channel, leave five star reviews on
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 12: your podcast app of choice, and share trek Cast across
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 12: your social media accounts. If we can make our audience bigger,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 12: we might have a chance against the dominion.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 4: Are you ready? Subscribe, like, and share? Are you with me?