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August 7, 2026 | Tech Friday!  Data Centers and Flock Cameras · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 3: and Happy tech Day, because look, we got two tech
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  Speaker 3: We got two things on the plate, right, flock cameras,
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  Speaker 3: data centers. Where do you want to begin, mister Davis,
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  Speaker 3: Let's do.
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  Speaker 2: The data centers first, because I think they're they're a
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  Speaker 2: bigger slice of the topical pie lately. And it's funny.
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  Speaker 2: Data centers are inextricably attached to AI, well, of which
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  Speaker 2: is it's our present, it's our future. It's as we
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  Speaker 2: delve into this, the first thing that occurs to me
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  Speaker 2: is on this subject. For whether it's AI as a
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  Speaker 2: concept or the data centers as an issue. This is
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  Speaker 2: one of those things where if you have a time
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  Speaker 2: tunnel where somebody, you know, let's say somebody had a
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  Speaker 2: time machine in twenty ten and said let's go sixteen
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  Speaker 2: years in the future, and what they land right here?
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  Speaker 2: They don't know what the heck we're talking about AI. Well,
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  Speaker 2: I mean we know what AI, we know what it is,
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  Speaker 2: but the degree to which it's woven through our lives
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  Speaker 2: and data centers, what these multi acreage things that hum
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  Speaker 2: and suck up water and energy And this is the
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  Speaker 2: world is moving so fast, and things are progressing so
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  Speaker 2: at such a breakneck pace. It is incredibly exciting. I
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  Speaker 2: feel very fortunate to be alive at this time. It
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  Speaker 2: is wondrous in many ways, but it is scary in
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  Speaker 2: many ways. And in all of these areas. I think
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  Speaker 2: the entire trick the special Sauce is to somehow manage this,
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  Speaker 2: absorb it into our brains, figure out how to be
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  Speaker 2: smart so that the negatives don't outweigh the pose.
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  Speaker 3: And it's a balance, it's a there's the definite. I
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  Speaker 3: have always had this visceral, knee jerk negative reaction to
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  Speaker 3: what's known as nimby. You know you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: put that in my backyard. Now. We got to have
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  Speaker 3: a we got to have a nice, big, old fashioned
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  Speaker 3: Walmart to provide jobs and low cost options to the community.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't want it down the street from where
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  Speaker 3: I live. I want it in my other I want
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  Speaker 3: it in another neighborhood, there's a lot of halfway houses
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  Speaker 3: for people who who are fighting substance addictions, places for
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  Speaker 3: people who are who are suffering from HIV, and halfway
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  Speaker 3: homes for them. And people don't want that in their neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: They don't want that around me. And to me, there's
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  Speaker 3: a there's a I understand, selfishness to it. There's a
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  Speaker 3: selfish entitlement that I'm not going to have anything that
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  Speaker 3: I don't sign off on in my community. Now, having
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  Speaker 3: said all that, I recognize that there's a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these data centers that are being plopped into really beautiful
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  Speaker 3: pristine forests and woodlands and areas of nature and preserves
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  Speaker 3: and and and that's that could be problematic. And let
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  Speaker 3: me let me give you Steve Cortes's perspective on this.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to have on the show yesterday. I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to bring him on and then also give him a
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  Speaker 3: preview here or play him on the M and M Extra.
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  Speaker 3: But let me share with you his very reasonable objection
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  Speaker 3: to these data centers that are popping up all over America.
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  Speaker 3: He was a he was a guest Wednesday on Steve
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  Speaker 3: Bannon's War Room.
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  Speaker 4: The same oligarchs, the same corporate CEOs and multinational behemos,
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  Speaker 4: the same ones that want a constant frow of flow
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  Speaker 4: of free labor into this country to constantly push for
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  Speaker 4: open borders and porest borders. These are the same forces
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  Speaker 4: pushing for these data centers without regard to local interests.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying we can't have data centers, but I'm
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  Speaker 4: saying you've got to do it in making a bargain
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  Speaker 4: with local interests. Don't put them in places that are
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  Speaker 4: irreplaceable in terms of their vistas and their natural environments.
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  Speaker 4: I would argue most of these, getting back to Michigan,
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  Speaker 4: they should be going in depressed urban areas. Why are
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  Speaker 4: these data centers not going into Detroit? They can go
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  Speaker 4: there where they are where they are very much needed
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  Speaker 4: and can provide a boost. But even there, again, you've
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  Speaker 4: got to make a deal with the people of Detroit,
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  Speaker 4: and this hubris from big tech is no longer going
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  Speaker 4: to fly. And You're right, it is a hot point
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  Speaker 4: political issue for every race in twenty twenty six, and
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  Speaker 4: Republicans better be on the right side of this, on
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  Speaker 4: the correct side.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he makes such a great point. We have
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  Speaker 3: massive industrial areas all over the country. Why aren't we
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  Speaker 3: putting them in industrial areas instead? You got them in
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  Speaker 3: the in the in the woods of you know of Norcross, Georgia,
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  Speaker 3: or you've got to the mountains of the Carolinas. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: they're putting them in these real beautiful, pristine natural environments.
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  Speaker 3: And I wonder why.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this is crazy. My mind blurs from all the
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  Speaker 2: fill in stuff I've done too. Hugh Hewitt's one Scott Jennings,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is half of a full house. So
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  Speaker 2: I was doing Jennings yesterday and one of the guests
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  Speaker 2: was a gentleman who's a vice president of pat most
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  Speaker 2: you ever heard of them? Pat mls.
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  Speaker 3: They are the.
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  Speaker 2: Infrastructure and cloud services company totally neck deep in the
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  Speaker 2: whole data center things. It's like, okay, bring it. What
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  Speaker 2: are your thoughts? This is exactly what they do. They
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  Speaker 2: find a way to weave data center technol watch an
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  Speaker 2: infrastructure into existing buildings so they don't have to destroy
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  Speaker 2: your ranch or put it next door to your property,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, right over the horizon from your lake
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  Speaker 2: and from that to the Elon Musk observation that maybe
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  Speaker 2: we could put them in space because everything's going to space.
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  Speaker 2: This this would seem like a direction in which to move.
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  Speaker 3: This absolutely and and and you know, I saw I
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  Speaker 3: was really impressed by Darlene Graham the other night at
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  Speaker 3: in the South Carolina debate. And she may very well
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  Speaker 3: be South Carolina's next to you. Well, she's currently the
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  Speaker 3: Senator because of the death of her of her older brother,
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  Speaker 3: but she also wants the job for the next six years.
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  Speaker 3: All of the candidates for the South Carolina Senate position
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  Speaker 3: that has been vacated by Lindsey's untimely passing have all
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  Speaker 3: all stated that they are not that they are not
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  Speaker 3: opposed to AI or to these data centers, but they
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  Speaker 3: need to be carefully scrutinized. And her point was, make
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  Speaker 3: these big behemoth companies produce a build a power plant
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  Speaker 3: next to them so that our resources and communities aren't
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  Speaker 3: aren't you know, soaked up that we can have power
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  Speaker 3: plants that can by the energy, the the electric.
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  Speaker 2: Cycle, the water and water internal system where there's sucking
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  Speaker 2: up all the local water.
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  Speaker 3: You bet, you bet. So it's all fascinating to me.
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  Speaker 3: I I just I just want to make sure, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Steve's right. The data centers are going to be a huge,
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  Speaker 3: huge issue for November and a lot of people. I
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  Speaker 3: got some text messages yesterday when you and I previewed
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  Speaker 3: that we were going to talk about that today. Uh,
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  Speaker 3: they talk about this, They said, Texas. It's a huge
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  Speaker 3: issue in Texas and a whole lot of candidates are
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  Speaker 3: going to win or lose based on what their position is. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to be careful if your position mark is
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  Speaker 3: just unbridled, no no holds barred opposition. All right, Well
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  Speaker 3: then we roll over for China and then they get us,
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  Speaker 3: and that's a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So that's then on the other side, if you are
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  Speaker 2: just an enormous cheerleader for them, it's like, hey, don't
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  Speaker 2: worry about it. Nothing to see here than all the
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  Speaker 2: rural voters and the ranchers and the people who believe
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  Speaker 2: in the pristine value of an unspoiled community. Then they
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  Speaker 2: think that they think less of you. So this is
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  Speaker 2: how weird it is, especially here in Texas. Governor Abbott
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  Speaker 2: has said, listen, how about a little We're going to
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  Speaker 2: hit a pause button. And this has been done. What
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  Speaker 2: pause button on any new proposals for data centers for
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  Speaker 2: right now? Meanwhile, you know, you know who else has
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  Speaker 2: been out on the campaign trail talking about balancing the
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  Speaker 2: tech concerns with the rural voters concerns. That would be
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  Speaker 2: James Tallerico. It may be the one issue on which
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  Speaker 2: woke Opie is not dead wrong. And it just shows
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  Speaker 2: how weird the bedfellows are because I can find Republicans
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  Speaker 2: and Democrats who are both kind of pro data center
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  Speaker 2: and anti data center, which makes it just a gloriously
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  Speaker 2: interesting topic.
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  Speaker 3: We have plenty of people that watch and listen to
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  Speaker 3: the minem extra in Georgia. Let's go to the Peach State.
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  Speaker 3: Here's a Georgia gubernatorial candidate, Rick Jackson. Rick Jackson's a
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  Speaker 3: Republican running for governor there, and he was on c
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  Speaker 3: Span of all places explaining his position on data centers
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  Speaker 3: and how to try to navigate these tricky waters in
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  Speaker 3: the great state of Georgia. Well, first of all.
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  Speaker 5: Every community needs to have control on whether they have
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  Speaker 5: a data center or not full stop.
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  Speaker 3: However, I was in.
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  Speaker 5: Blakely, the first place I stopped, and they asked me
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  Speaker 5: that question, and I could tell by the question that
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  Speaker 5: it was not coming from a positive dewpoint. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 5: first of all, you're not going to like my answer,
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  Speaker 5: but here it is you need to have control. But
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  Speaker 5: I said, a data center, especially AI data centers, they
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  Speaker 5: don't have to be near Atlanta, they on need twenty
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  Speaker 5: four to seven. They can be in the most remote
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  Speaker 5: parts of Georgia, out of the way and so forth.
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  Speaker 5: They can eliminate, if it's structured properly, property taxes in
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  Speaker 5: at least seventy counties that we've got in this state.
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  Speaker 5: I want people to have a voice on that. What
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  Speaker 5: we can't do is have data centers with they don't
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  Speaker 5: get a benefit. So I'm for giving them the option
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  Speaker 5: to have a data center that and let and decide
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  Speaker 5: no property taxes for the data center.
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  Speaker 3: Don't have one.
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  Speaker 5: That's totally up to them as a business person. I
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  Speaker 5: just want to give them that option so that they
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  Speaker 5: know both sides of the street.
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  Speaker 3: And we've got to educate people from the data centers.
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  Speaker 5: I think there's a lot of misinformation about that.
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  Speaker 2: Pretty reasonable position, Mark absolutely so, he used an interesting verb,
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  Speaker 2: We've got to educate people. Okay, education is good a
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  Speaker 2: lot of times, especially on any divisive, interesting, compelling issue.
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  Speaker 2: When people talk about educating, what they really mean is persuading,
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  Speaker 2: meaning they have their take. If so many organizations say, well,
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  Speaker 2: we're an education organization, we want to educate you on
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  Speaker 2: how terrible guns are, we want to educate you on
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  Speaker 2: you know, et cetera, et cetera, where they want to
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  Speaker 2: educate you all right with their point of view. I've
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  Speaker 2: had something fascinating happen on the radio show in the
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  Speaker 2: last few months. We're getting pitches all the time about
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  Speaker 2: AI guests, and Rodnie gets all these pitches, runs them
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  Speaker 2: by me, and it's like, yeah, let's do this person,
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  Speaker 2: let's do that person. One of them was a former
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  Speaker 2: mayor of l Passo who the pitch was he found
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  Speaker 2: a way to navigate these waters in a way that
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  Speaker 2: made everybody happy. I said, okay, great. The second one
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  Speaker 2: was a guy from the National Taxpayers Union love them
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  Speaker 2: and I thought great, because if there's anything that I've
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  Speaker 2: noticed lately, especially in some of these city council meetings
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  Speaker 2: where these things go up, is what kind of tax
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  Speaker 2: breaks have they been offered over the years? And I thought,
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  Speaker 2: is this good? Is this bad? But in both cases,
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  Speaker 2: in both cases, each of these guests was an absolute
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  Speaker 2: front load. Just pardon me here Hill for data centers
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  Speaker 2: and that sounds dismissive and I probably should find a synonym.
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  Speaker 2: But it was all and I'm saying, hey, let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about this because I'm soaking up everything. But their goal,
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  Speaker 2: it was totally a pr related thing designed to because
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  Speaker 2: both of them, in fact, had criticism for the critics said, well,
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  Speaker 2: everybody's talking all the water. It ain't that much water.
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  Speaker 2: Look at golf courses and almond farms, and you know
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  Speaker 2: we've got And it was just the lobbying effort, The
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  Speaker 2: pro data lobbying effort is cranked up to eleven, which
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  Speaker 2: is fine. We have free speech, but everybody should be very,
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  Speaker 2: very aware that this is a battlefield where a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people are weighing in and deploying a lot of
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  Speaker 2: surrogates to get their point across.
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  Speaker 3: I can't wait to segue into flock cameras, but first,
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  Speaker 3: I don't. Fully I admit that technologically I'm a little
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  Speaker 3: limited about these flock cameras. But I'm going to say
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  Speaker 3: this right now. I'm going to start our conversation about
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  Speaker 3: the drama behind the flock cameras this way.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I believe that there you have zero expectation of privacy
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  Speaker 3: in a public place. If you venture outside your front
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  Speaker 3: door and you get in your car and you're driving around,
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  Speaker 3: there is no expectation of privacy. And I know that
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  Speaker 3: these flock cameras, These are primarily made by a company
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  Speaker 3: called Flock Safety, and they're used for automatic license plate recognition.
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  Speaker 3: Police departments are finding this and I talk to a
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  Speaker 3: three different police officer friend of mine, friends of mine
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  Speaker 3: in the last month mark They all love them. They said,
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: are we are catching bad guys with this stuff? It's
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: great technology. There's an AI component to this as well,
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: but we are able to hone in and find the
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: bad guys. And we are able because these flock cameras
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: read license plates as vehicles pass by. They're able to
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: record the characteristics of the cars or trucks like make
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: and model, color, body type and all of that. They
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: can log the time and location where the vehicle was seen.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: They are apparently a technological marvel and mark anything that
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: that helps law enforcement catch the bad guys. I am
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: all I am all for, I'm all in.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: There is nothing the matter, nothing whatsoever the matter with
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: the logic that you have just shared. Let me add
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: something that that I've This is so gold and this
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: is so this is perfect. I agree with everything you said. Okay,
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: kind of like kind of like the data center is
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: kind of like AI. There is another there is another side,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: and it's a principled other side. And I've gotten a
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: big snoop full of that other side just in the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: last few days because shocker, it was on another show
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: that I was filling in on. It was a kind
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: of a libertarian activist out of Utah, gentleman named Connor
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Boyak Boyack look for his stuff. He was a very
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: smart young man. He appreciates every single thing that you've
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: just said, as every flock camera critic should. It's like, hey,
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: if it helps find some escape child molesterer, let it
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: all in. But it has to be balanced against the
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: privacy issue. And while you are right about the expectation
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: of privacy on a public street, anybody coming after the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: flock cameras with kind of a Fourth Amendment thing, it's
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: tricky because we're not talking about putting them in your house.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: You're not in your home or your business. You're literally
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: out of the public street where anybody can see you.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And if you're someplace where anybody can see you, what
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: does it matter if a camera sees you? Right, so,
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: so far, so good in talking to this young man,
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: though I can't it opened my mind a little and
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: see what this does to you. Not to turn me against them,
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: because I think on balance I remain a flot camera supporter.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: But if you take the point you made, which is
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: totally solid, that if you can be seen on the
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: street by a person, you can be seen, consider the following.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: The imagine if the government anointed someone designated someone to
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: follow Mike Gallagher around everywhere he went on the public
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: streets in his car, in his travels, You're still in public.
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: You're in public. You're not in your house. They're not
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: coming to your house. They're not looking at what you're
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: doing in your bedroom or you're a living room, you're
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: in public, But that government employee is going to follow
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher everywhere using that, Hey, I'm just out in
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: the public. That line of logic. It's a little different now,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: isn't it. Well, I'm not saying that that's what the
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: flat cameras are necessarily doing, but they sure could if
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: And this is and I'll wrap up and stop talking
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: in a moment. I mentioned this to Connor and he
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: dealt with it, and following away said that right now,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: it's a good purpose. But that same technology that helps
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: my criminal can also find where all the conservatives are
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: going gun shopping, can also find, you know, who's at
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: the liquor store to embarrass them if the ruling regime
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: wants to so. And I'm going to say, change your mind,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: not at all. But is there any to evaluate the
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: last two minutes, Not.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Even a little bit. Let me tell you why. First
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: of all, you're describing. What you're describing is a potential
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: misuse of the of the technology. That could be said
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: about virtually every single tool that is already in existence today.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: There are already red light cameras, there are already close
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: circuit surveillance cameras everywhere. We already have that technology that
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: continues to surveil the American public that could be misused
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: in the very same way you just described. There's nothing
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: unique about about this particular technology except that it's better,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: except that you can use it to They're already capturing
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: license plates. Look, I'm a Hurtz rental car customer. I'm
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: on the executive platinum blah blah blah level as all
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: the stupid cars I got a rent. They now have
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: AI technology that shows your license plate on the highway.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: It'll capture your license plate if you go through a
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: toll booth and you haven't paid the toll. You know
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: how they catch you. Because they're catch You're getting the
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: picture of your license plate all through North Dallas, all
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: through the Dallas Tollway, all those areas, they're all monitoring you.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You know why it says pay by mail because they're
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: going to take a picture of your license plate as
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: you go through the toll booth and they're going to
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: send you a bill. All this is is the typical
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: knee jerk objection, and I do understand it, don't I'm
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: not trying to minimize it. But it's the knee jerk.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: It's like, we don't want red light Remember when the
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: red light cameras start came at coming out, Nobody wanted
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: red light cameras. Remember when there was surveillance cameras, they
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: didn't like. People don't like surveillance cameras. I'm back to
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: my original point. You've got no expectation of privacy if,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: if God forbid, somebody on the City Council of Tampa
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: or whatever decided to track me. Look, I've got no
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: expectation that I can drive around anonymously in Tampa. If
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: they're gonna follow me, And what am I gonna do?
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: What am I? What am I? If I go to
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: a crack den, Well, then I might have a problem.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking of if anybody is following Mike Gallagher, Yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: where are they going to go?
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: They're gonna I'll be a chick. I'll get a Chick
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: fil A. You're gonna see me.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: At the ups place where they hate you for being
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: a conservative.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Right right, You'll see me at the at the trainer's place,
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: and you're gonna see me in my apartment. I mean
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: there's but but look, this is I know that it's
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: a trite argument. If you're not doing anything wrong, what
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: do you care about? I get that, but it's it
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: really kind of is true. And it's one of these
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: things where we react to this technology and in a
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: very negative way we say, oh, no, no, no, no,
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to have and it's help. Look, you're
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: either pro law enforcement or not. I would argue being
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: against this flock tech camera technology sort of makes you
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: anti law enforcement. Doesn't go there.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Some people are just kind of uber libertarian. The young
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: man I talked to I was very principled, and I
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: found his argument principled, But I find yours to be
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: equally principled but more compelling. And isn't an interesting and
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: on the whole notion of expectation of privacy, I mean
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: complete outside public world, isn't it interesting? Because here license
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: plate readers. There must be something about reading the license
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: plate that makes people freak out because the fact that
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: you or I and a trillion other people can be
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: seen on every public street. If any crime happens on
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: any street in any major city, if any gas explosion
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: happens in any business or office building, if anything happens
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to anyone anywhere that night on the news, there will
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: be footage of it from somebody's surveillance camera. And that
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: doesn't seem to bother anybody so much anymore.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: No, exactly, And again to reiterate, you go through a
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: toll booth anywhere, you're already getting your license plate photographed.
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: You know, True crime Mike can't get enough of these.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: And maybe this is why I feel the way I feel.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Surveillance video is a massive, massively successful tool in capturing
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and arresting murderers and rapists and kidnappers. I just finished
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: the most unsatisfying four part four hours and satisfying. Yeah,
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: it's unsatisfying because there wasn't a conclusion. You may or
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: may not remember this. A few years ago in Canada,
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: there was a couple, a billionaire and his wife who
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: were found. Oddly, the murders were staged in their basementswimming pool.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: They had a seven million dollar mansion in Toronto, and
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: they found and their names. Her name was Honey, his
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: name was Barry, and I'm drawn a blank on their
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: last name. But he was the big founder of this
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: massive generic pharmaceutical company in Canada, so the largest generic
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: and still is I think to this day the largest
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: pharmaceutical company in for non for generic brands. What's what's
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: his name?
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Barr Barry and Honey Sherman, a German billionaire pharmaceutical couple.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: And they were found in the in the in their
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: basement next to their swimming pool, and they had belts
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: tied around their necks, and they were weirdly staged. They
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: were like city They were in a seated position, but
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: they were like hanging from the from the bar of
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the pool, you know, like the guardrail for the pool.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: But they weren't hung there. They had been killed somewhere else,
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: and then the bodies were staged. Long story short, after
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: four hours of four different a four part series, they
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: don't they still don't know who did it, and they
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: and there's all these suspects, one of the sun, maybe
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: maybe the Sun did it. Maybe the business partner, the discruntle.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: So here I am sitting there screaming, you're going to
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: tell me that I sat for four nights for an
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: hour a night, and you're not going to tell me
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: who did it? Well, they don't know. But the point
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: in this long story is they had video surveillance of
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: a person that they identified as a suspect walking outside
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: their mansion the day of the killings, and the guy
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: had a very unusual gait. He lifted his right leg
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: kind of up funny when he was walking. He couldn't
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: really make him out, but you could see him walking
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: back and forth. That video surveillance may someday lead to
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: the apprehension and arrest and conviction of these of this
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: double murderer. So that's the kind of thing that surveillance
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: video produces that I don't think we can minimize Mark.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: We should.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: We should embrace the technique you would that it were
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: because it's funny. We have that's funny. I don't know
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: what made me go to this, because that may be
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: helpful another unresolved vexing crime. I mean, obviously it's just
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: somebody's camera in front of their house. We know what
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I guess the guy looked like who abducted Savannah Guthrie's mom,
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Nancy Guthrie. That's no way we see him. So it
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: is a camera filled world. And as long as they're
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: not in your house see in what you're doing in
• 28:20
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  Speaker 3: I got to get the true crime crap off my chest.
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  Speaker 2: Lord, I'm still just reeling from this grizzly horrible story
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  Speaker 2: you told me, you know, give me, give me the title. People.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: You know what was the Billionaire Murders? The Billionaire Murders.
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: I think it's on prime video. It's fascinating, but it's
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: really interesting because of the story behind how this guy
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: emerged as this big pharmaceutical giant and what kind of
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: people they were. And by the way, ps no security
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  Speaker 3: now here. They are worth billions. I'm talking with a
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: b they're home. They had like a like a typical
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  Speaker 3: worth billions. Let me just put it down. If this
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  Speaker 3: a camera under that. Oh, I'll have a security I
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  Speaker 3: have a crew. I'll have a team of security people. Well,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: forget that, I'm gonna have people. I'm gonna have people
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: twenty four to seven. But I mean, you know, we
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: joke about it, but wouldn't you have people that you
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: would hire. I've got friends in TV personalities over at
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: Fox News, they have twenty four to seven live security.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: They got people with them because the left, as we know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: they're nuts. So it is grizzly. It's an awful story
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: and but fascinating in many ways. And then the other one.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: There's a brand new one out about the Idaho murders,
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: those four college kids Brian Brian Kolberlberger. My gosh, and
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I'm no more close to the book. I finished a
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: book a while ago about it, and I think I
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: know why he did what he did. But it's still
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: a mystery because since he took a plea and he's
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: been in the news lately because he wants to fire
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: he fired his lawyer and he wants another trial. Want
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: he's claiming. I guess he doesn't like prison life after all.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: And the guy they got him dead to rights, I mean,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: the evidence, the DNA, all of it is there. But
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: it's a brand new and it's heartbreaking. These four kids
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: mark the life that they had ahead of them. They
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: were so loved. They were these beautiful girls and this
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: this good looking guy and the four of them. And
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: you know the thing that about the Idaho murders and
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: these four college kids who were murdered, I think it
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: was Idaho State, right, Idaho State University. The thing that's
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: so so sad, and I shouldn't. I don't mean to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: disparage the dead. I'm not trying to point out I
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: think people know this instinctively. But I think it's because
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: you asked yourself, how could four healthy, strapping college age
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: kids all be over powered by this one freak loser,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: degenerate coward.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: They were ripped out, they were ripped out of their minds, or.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: They were absolutely drunk lost, they were drunk as hell,
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: and that's what that and that explains it, and there
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: ought to be but that never comes into this story.
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: And and look.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Because because it's a little bit of a tough look
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: to say, hey, you know they're bit I know you're
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: one hundred percent right, is probably here in the podcast
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: universe where we can pretty well say everything. I don't
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: think you want to walk around, you know, bludgeting what
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: bad verb to is there criticizing them for, because yeah,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: being drunk doesn't mean you deserve to be slaughtered, but
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: it's still an extremely valid point that you miss. Listen,
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: a lot of people are are horrible crime victims, but
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: they did unbelievably stupid things. You know, well, gee, Jimmy
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: was out at three o'clock in the morning, Well, how
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: about Jimmy's not out at three o'clock in the morning, Billy,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: you know, you know it was it was, you know,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: hunting down hookers. How about not hunting down hookers and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: one of them. Well, here's a great idea. So sometimes
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it is about choices, choices, choice.
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: That's right, and that's just a life lesson in our
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: hearts and prayers go out to the entire community, the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: families of those poor four poor kids. And I don't
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: want to say that. I don't mean to say that
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: in any way that's disparaging. Look, kids go to college
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and a lot of kids get drunk, and yep, we
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  Speaker 3: sort of take it for granted, but a lot of
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  Speaker 3: terrible things happen. There's a story out of South Carolina, Clemson,
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  Speaker 3: where there's a kid, Tucker Hips. He was a victim
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  Speaker 3: of hazing. They left him to die and they never
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  Speaker 3: no one was ever really held accountable. It's a fascinating story.
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  Speaker 3: Joey has become Joey Hudson's become very good friends with
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  Speaker 3: with Tucker's parents, and a lot of that is the
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  Speaker 3: same story. A lot of drunk kids out, you know,
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  Speaker 3: in the middle of the night doing stupid stuff, and
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  Speaker 3: this kid fell, I guess off a bridge and died,
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  Speaker 3: and no one has ever been held accountable for that
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  Speaker 3: kid's murder or death I should say, not necessarily murder,
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  Speaker 3: but anyway, you're right, Choices, choices, choices. I'm making a
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  Speaker 3: choice to wish you a happy weekend and I can't
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  Speaker 3: wait to see you again Monday.
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  Speaker 2: I choose to accept your good wishes, and I choose
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  Speaker 2: to now ventur into the weekend and have everybody come
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  Speaker 2: back on Monday and find us the way others have
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  Speaker 2: found us. YouTube. We do the live stream every day
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  Speaker 2: wherever you find us. We're enormously grateful. Mike's on the
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  Speaker 2: radio and then is on Twitter at Gallagher Show, find
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  Speaker 2: me on the Twitter world, on the X World at
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  Speaker 2: Mark Davis m A R. K. Davis, and we just
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you. Wish everyone the best of weekends.
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  Speaker 3: See you