Latest / Coach Speak The Return / Episode 6
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- Matt Seidl: Hello everybody and welcome back to the pod. I'm Matt Seidel. He's Josh Tropey and this is Coach Beek. Coach Trope, how you doing this morning? Josh: I'm a little groggy. have d have not had my second cup of coffee yet, but maybe that's good for the listeners. I won't be as fired up as usual. Matt Seidl: just a water guy, man. I just I I think the Excedrin I take on a daily basis is where I get my caffeine. I don't I think I don't think you're supposed to take Excedrin every day. I've been doing it for thirty years and I'm still alive so I'm gonna I'm gonna call it okay. But Josh: You know, but you don't smoke, you don't drink. I mean, we all have our thing, right? Yep. Matt Seidl: Right, we all got our vices. Right, that's a good call. So well man, hey, we a couple of podcasts ago, I think when we were talking about regional seating, you alluded to a schedule that you would like to propose for the state tournament in boys and girls basketball. And we kind of ran out of time and I think we actually cut we talked about it, but we ended up cutting it out. So we're gonna return to that topic Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: right now. And based I mean, I guess l let's start with this. What do you think is wrong with the current s tournament schedule for boys and girls basketball? Josh: Okay. And I I think that's that's important that we start there. I think the first thing is I I think the setup I I mean I was we know we want to seed regionals, right? And the second thing, I think the regionals should be hosted by the the best team or highest seed. And then I the next phase, I still like the three games for districts, and then the district ends. I'd like to see three games for regionals. I hate that we play a regional on a Tuesday, Thursday, and then don't play a quarterfinal until the next Tuesday. I also hate that the two most important games of the week, or I'm sorry, of the season, the semifinal and final, are could be played on back-to-back days, or you're playing three games in a week with a quarterfinal on Tuesday, a semifinal on Thursday. Thursday or Friday and a final on Saturday. I'll go so another thing I don't like. I don't like that the semifinals could be played at 10 a.m. on a Thursday morning. Not good for anyone. Not good for crowds, not good for families, not good for travel, up north teams, anything like that. So I'd really like to see is the quarterfinals get moved back a week. I'd like to see the semifinals be played on the same night across the state for every division. And then the finals. all on Saturday at the Breslin Center. I'd like to see some consistency, two days to prep prepare for a semifinal and final, and just the use of better venues and seven o'clock games. Matt Seidl: a couple of clarifying questions. So semifinals, when we get to the semifinals, are you still playing the two semifinals at the same site back to back games with one crowd and all four teams at the same venue or would those be at separate sites in your proposal? Josh: No, those would be at separate sites unless geographically it made sense. Like, you know, if you had I don't know, if but I don't see how it could. But no, you would not do that. You'd play it at at different sites. Like for instance, if Lumen Christie is playing Paloma in one semifinal, well that game should be played like in the Holt area, Okamis Mason area, you know? And if the other semi final is Pineac ABT, I don't know if I name that school correctly, but you know what I mean. is playing a t Matt Seidl: You might find out you you might find out first hand what they're all about, this this this some winter, this spring. So Josh: R well, I'm I'm hopeful that we do, yeah. If they're playing Glen Lake in the other semifinal, well that game should be played in Big Rapids or Mount Pleasant or something like that. Matt Seidl: Yeah, the only I mean again I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna try to poke holes in it because any proposal Josh: Sure. Matt Seidl: you you gotta have a chance to do that. I like going, I've done it many years with the boys, is go to the semifinals, you know, the A and B semifinals on a Friday at the Breslin and check, you know, check out all four games basically. And you get back to back, you know, Division One games, you take a break for dinner and you come back, back to back division two games. So that that piece would be eliminated under that proposal i if we went to something like that. but not to say that change is is wrong. I'm just saying it it would it would Josh: So the so Matt Seidl: be different. Josh: And again, I I like pride myself on being flexible or the more flexible person on this podcast in many ways. but something youth has something to do with that. But again, I I'm not like here to like cause problems or anything like that. I guess I would respond to that is I've been to that with you many times on Friday, and we and there's many of us that go. That's not very easy to do on a Thursday. That 10 o'clock Thursday game is tough, that 12 o'clock Thursday game is tough, and on Friday, the the Games tend to be a little later in the day, and they they could be wiser about when to start those. I mean, what's wrong with you know 12, 2, 4, and 6 on a you know, so so you don't really want to do that on a Thursday because it you still have that, you know, it's a week night. So I guess to your point, if you wanted all the semis in one place, I'm I'm in favor of that. If it's not at the Breslin for both teams. So for what I mean is maybe Division One and Division Three. Is at Kelvin on that Friday with that setup. Division II and Division IV is at Grand Valley State, for instance, on that day. So then people would have to pick and choose which four games they go to, but I really don't think that's that big of a deal. And then again, you come all together at the Breslin on Saturday. You know, while we're talking about it, I don't understand why it still has to be at the Breslin all the time either. Like, I mean, I'm sure that there's some kind of contract or, you know, sweet dealer. it's the capital or you know, I I don't know the reason, but when when you were younger and I was younger, it moved. Like it was at U of it was at the palace, it was at different places. I I'm not opposed to seeing that as well. Matt Seidl: Yeah, I think it I don't know this for a fact. I've never really asked the question. but the fact that it's in Lansing, East Lansing or Lansing, whatever you want to call it, I think that makes it very convenient for the MHSA. Their crew is right there, you know, for that Thursday, Friday, Saturday deal. So it's right down the road and they they can get their setup and all their people in place. Josh: Mm. Yep. Yeah, and I'm all for that for the finals on Saturday. But I it at the very minimum, if they're not like if they if people didn't buy into my Wednesday model for the semifinals and said, we like the four games in a day, I'm I'm great with that as well. I can adjust, mix it up which divisions play together all the time. Don't why why are division three and division four always stuck on Thursday? Hey, let's throw division one and division two on a Thursday. Why can't we give a D three and D four the the Friday? but I w that's my point is I want to get away from that altogether. At the very Matt Seidl: Right. Josh: least I'd like to go to two sites with the semis being on Friday for everybody. Matt Seidl: So you wanted although is is that your proposal? The last time I I saw it I thought you Josh: It is not. It is not. It is my compromise. That I would be willing to compromise. Yeah. Yes. Matt Seidl: I got you. Your your proposal, y y the one you the one you threw out a while ago was regionals Tuesday and Thursday, but Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: then the quarterfinal game on a Saturday, which I find very intriguing. I think that would be pretty cool. It doesn't conflict with anything. And then you wanted semi finals the following Wednesday, right? And then the and then Josh: Correct. Yes. And Matt Seidl: the state championship game on Saturday. So there Josh: Correct. Matt Seidl: would be a three day gap between the semifinal and the final, which is unique. Josh: Well, I look at I you can say three day gap, but I like you have Monday, Tuesday to prepare for a semifinal game, Thursday, Friday to prepare for a state championship game. Matt Seidl: Right. How did that state title game work out for you when you only had zero days to replay or one day you just had to how'd that work out for you? Josh: It so I I got a great story about that. So we I I I would say I did the wrong thing. We decided to get a hotel in Lansing, and we were only an hour away in Milan. but at that point, you know, you don't know if you're ever gonna get back. It's all about the experience, things like that. And if we did lose on Friday, I thought, well, it'd be nice to have a hotel, let the kids swim, hang out, kind of an end of year recap, things like that. Not that I was thinking about losing, but I'm you know, trying to prepare for everything. So looking back, that was that was probably a mistake getting the hotel. we should have gone back to Milan. Slept in our own beds. We could have had a walkthrough on Saturday in our own gym, got shots up in our own gym, and then went back on Saturday to play. But that all this also speaks to why my Wednesday-Saturday proposal is such a great idea. I don't know how some of these schools do it. Because this is what we did. We stayed at Hotel and Lansing, same hotel as Muskegon with Coach Guy and his team. They had won earlier in the day. We won later in the day. Later that night, we're all down in the lobby. lobby and we're all with our laptops and it was crossover back then not huddle and we're Matt Seidl: Mm. Josh: all breaking over our down our crossover film talking about our next day now Muskegon did it because they played at noon the next day you know they they needed they wanted the the shorter drive there things like that they were doing a walkthrough in the morning at Lansing Eastern they had made a connection there where they were setting that up at the time I had not set that up previously so we did what you hear like at the end CAA tournament. Kids slept in till noon. We didn't play until six o'clock that night. They wouldn't even let us in the arena until like 4 15, 4 30. It's like really specific. You can't walk through the tunnel at a certain time. And quite honestly, it's kind of ridiculous how string, you know, strict and and maybe that's changed. This was, you know, 12 years ago. But you know, you you couldn't arrive before a certain time. You had to walk in this door, you know, all these things. And so looking back at it, we did like a one o'clock walkthrough in the hotel ballroom and they let us do a late checkout and we checked out at like three went and got something to eat and then then went to the Breslin Center and played. You know, I say I did it the wrong way. We won the final by 30. I mean I so maybe maybe it was the right way. I don't know. But you know we you know we we took printed scouting reports in the hotel. They made copies for us you know and we went through all those things. But But again, looking back, I would not do that again. Those I I definitely would have gone back to our own beds, slept in those beds, and did a walkthrough at our own gym. It'd be interesting at some point to get like a coach that's there a lot, maybe from up north, like we, you know, maybe like I mentioned Glen Lake earlier or, you know, one of those schools that's been there a few times. Like, what do they do? Because they're obviously not commuting back and forth. You know, I mean, do they have connections in the area? Do they use a Lansing Catholics gym? Do they, you know, do they use an East Lansing Catholics? Gym. But that's another thing. If the MHSA really wanted to make this even a better experience, if we're going to stay in Lansing every year and they have all those connections, they should have gyms available for walkthroughs the next day for teams that are spending the night. Or let us use the practice facility, the women's and men's practice facility, right down the hallway for a walkthrough. I mean, again, we again this is this to me and you is common sense basketball stuff, but like not thought. thought about with the the state championship you know appearances and planning. Right. Matt Seidl: Yeah. It it wouldn't it wouldn't be hard to coordinate, you you would think, and I don't know all that goes into it. The only criticism I have about your itinerary from the state championship season of twenty fourteen was the practice uniforms you wore during the game. Like, dude, can we get your team with a classy look out there? What in the world was going on at Milan that year? Did guys leave at the hotel and had to wear your practi well, I mean, what were we doing? Josh: So great great story behind that. So we ordered new uniforms. late. It was I want to say it was in October. And we we thought we'd you know, we're you know, like they always tell you the vendor, yeah, yeah, we'll get we'll get we'll get them to you, no problem. You'll have by Christmas. Well then Christmas turned into end of January. Then end of January turned into mid mid-February. Well the kid we had black and white uniforms and they were actually really nice. they were like the old Marquette style, if you remember that. but Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Yep, I do. Josh: the but these were red and the kids loved the red uniforms and they were hideous. They were horrible. They they weren't finished. Like the graphics weren't Well then they truly look like something a college team would practice in, you know, very plain, you know, and things like that. But the kids loved them. And what ended up happening, superstition takes over. we wear them in a district final and win. we wear them in a regional final and win. And then at that point we're like, okay, if if we're the away team, we're rolling with them at this point, you know? Yep. Matt Seidl: I respect that. I respect that. Do you want to show your proposal real quick and then I Josh: Yeah. Yeah, I can do that, yep. Matt Seidl: got a couple other questions about it. Josh: Yep. All right. So can you see it on the screen? Matt Seidl: I can. And there it is. Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: The the the districts Monday, Wednesday, Friday like normal, the regional, Tuesday, Thursday, everything's the same there. But quarter Quart go ahead. Josh: Except then we get to the quarters. And and this it yeah, quarters neutral site and this is in important. They c you can't host if you don't have a ninety four foot court. Again with Matt Seidl: Wait, wait. You mean we no more games at at at Lincoln? We ca I can't play it my god. Josh: Like or or or you mean like my regional games that w or district games that I had at East Jackson and I yeah, I saw that. I I saw that. And Matt Seidl: Yeah, by the way, I think your regional's gonna be at East Jackson this year too, if I'm not mistaken. So yeah, a little sh a little short, a little short, yeah. Josh: Yeah, not not a great setup. so looking at this though, you know, and again I I didn't put ninety four foot for regionals because again the best team should host, in my opinion, there. So whatever the court is, it is what it is. But the quarterfinals ninety four foot court. that would be on a Saturday. And then we'd come back, like I said, to a semifinal at a neutral court, you know, for you know, the you know, for nine for for the semifinals as well, would be on that Wednesday. And I I think yeah, I mean I think that's just the right way to do it. The only conflict that I could see, you know, them saying is, well, you know, if you do this, you know, if you play these games this way, could you overlap on a night where the girls play? Well, I again they don't worry about that with softball and baseball, so I don't think it's that important. At that point, you maybe have eight teams left in basketball for the boys and and maybe sixteen in girls. You know, is it really that important to have it set up where, you know, both s you're worried about both schools playing on a night, that type of thing. Matt Seidl: The only solution for that, I would think, or possibly i is if let let's say your proposal was, let's do this, right? move the girls quarterfinal game to Monday. and let them go Monday, Wednesday, Saturday during the the last week. And then their they'd still do their regional, you know, opposite of the boys, but then when the boys state final was going on on that Saturday, the girls would not play their quarterfinal, they actually would play it on Monday. And would then we'd never have a a conflict. the baseball softball, I I don't know if that comparison's fair or not, but it it could be. The one thing about, you know, the baseball softball thing Well Josh: Why well why why do you say that? Because soccer, baseball, and softball all play state finals on the same ti at the same time on the same day. Yeah. Okay. Matt Seidl: Yeah, but they're literally playing next to each other. You you could stand on you could stand on the the roof of the softball complex and watch the soccer, softball, and baseball all at the same time. They're literally going on right next to each other. So it's kind of one of the coolest things the MHSA does on that final Saturday of the spring. But I mean there's no perfect way to do it. You the problems you outlined in the current schedule, I get, I totally get. breaking it up a little bit. it would definitely be different. I'd be curious like what an MH SA official who's kind of on the inn and they, you know, they have their reason for doing things, I'd be curious what their response would be or what concerns they would have. But it's it's interesting to think about. and that change, you know, change is hard but it's also can be very good sometimes. So Josh: Yeah, I mean it it is. And and it's just something where like I've played in these quite a bit lately as well, you know. I I mean we've made it to the quarters two of the last three years. And you know, I've it my time at Milan we got we made those runs a couple of times and I just I think it could be done a lot better. I Matt Seidl: Yeah. Josh: was very lucky to to spend a few years coaching at Spring Harbor and recruit players in Ohio and Indiana. and I I watched how their tournaments are run and especially Indiana and I know we're gonna talk About this later, but Indiana plays two games in one day. You know, that and those are playoff games, not regular season games. Those are playoff games. what they do is you know, they'll play kind of like baseball does here in Michigan, they'll play two regional finals, one at like you know, 11 o'clock, one at one o'clock, and the two winners will come back and play the quarterfinal that night at seven o'clock, all at the same site. So that's pretty cool where you get four fan bases. then the two teams that win, or maybe all four fan bases stick around. I'm not sure not all four, but Matt Seidl: Right. Josh: a lot of people stick around, go get something to eat and come on back for the quarterfinal at at seven o'clock. I mean, so this it's not like this has not been done other places or unheard of, and I'm not smart enough to come up with this on my own. I mean, I I've stolen these ideas from from other states. Matt Seidl: Cutting edge, man. Cutting edge. So Josh: I don't know, d no, just like a good coach, I copy things that I like and that Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Josh: work other places. Matt Seidl: Well speaking of you know, changes or proposed changes, that's gonna move us into our second quarter for this podcast. And our our our second quarter is is this is an a unique one, I guess. We're going to rank our top four rule or policy changes or additions that we would we think would improve the high school game of basketball. But we the the qualifications are we cannot use regional seating which we've already talked about we cannot use your schedule proposal that you just went over and we can't do anything that touches on private versus public. We're not touching that either. So other Josh: Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yep. Matt Seidl: other changes that we think would help the game of basketball, high school basketball. So we're gonna go kind of like our we'll start with our number fours and then we'll move right Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: up to our our top one, our rankings. So what do you feel is your your number four rule change that you'd like to see. Josh: Okay. This is and this is a big one for me. you know, I've coached at Chelsea and Lumen my last two stops. I have not had a practice in November in six years. and I won't have one this year, which means if you were a player that played for me, say you made varsity as a freshman, you've never practiced in November, and you've lost over 70 practices in your high school career. And I for a lot of different reasons I say that. And then on top of that, for all schools that Make a deep run in football. All schools. The players are beat up. They need time off. They need a break. And it's true, they really do. So, but we have this 22-game schedule we're allowed to play. So I think it's time we move to my number four rule: allowing two games in one day and four games in a week. Matt Seidl: Hmm. Okay. I thought you were gonna bring up like starting starting the season later, which would not be fair to the teams that, you know, don't make runs in football. Two game two games in a day, couple times a year and four games in a week, I I I like it. I Josh: No, no. No, I don't think you I don't think everybody should sit around and wait for us. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Matt Seidl: I I would I support that. It's not one of my top four, but may maybe it would be if I give it some more thought. My my number four I know this sounds petty. jersey restrictions. Why? What Josh: Ooh, I had a feeling you were gonna go here. Yeah. Matt Seidl: why can't the home team wear dark? Why can't I call Josh Trope if I'm getting ready to host Lou McCristie, which I would never do, by the way? Why can't why can't I call you and say, you know what? We're gonna wear our dark, our our road uniforms tonight because our home fans never get to see us in front in in our cool road uniform. Can you bring your whites? And you would say yes, we're gonna come in and beat you by thirty, but yes, Josh: Sure. Matt Seidl: we will come in and are whites tonight. Why can't we do that upon agreement? Ridiculous that we can't. The other yeah Josh: Correct. And and you're an A D, tell from a moment, can't you do that in baseball and softball? Can't you wear like whatever you want? Yeah. Matt Seidl: You can wear any color you want. Now, again, soccer, I think football, you know, they're supposed to wear dark at home. Soccer wears dark Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: at home. Maybe basketball should wear dark at home. The other one is why can't when I was at Olivet, we couldn't have O Town Josh: Wait a minute. Matt Seidl: on the front. We had to have Olivet or we had to have Eagles. It couldn't say O Town. Why not? Why can't it Josh: I Matt Seidl: say P Town at Paintney if we wanted to, you know? Come on. Josh: Well that no, that's not a good idea for many reasons. Right. Right. Matt Seidl: But we should be able to put if we wanna run a nickname on our jersey, we wanna pay for a uniform and have something that the kids love. Why can't we do that? It's it's Josh: Yeah, no, I I'm o I thought that's where you were going when you started to talk about uniforms because I love to come see when it said the tribe. How great Matt Seidl: Yes. Josh: was that? Yeah, that was that was a great uniform. No, I the high. Yeah. Matt Seidl: the high. Remember Saginaw High? It just said the high. I don't know if that's even legal anymore, because maybe that's part of their their school name. But it's just like we don't need jersey restrictions, but alright. Josh: No, I I couldn't agree with you more. But aga you know, again it's it's it's and this will be a future episode 'cause it would it will probably take an hour and it'll be you know, titled The The Dumb Rules of the MHSA. And that that will be in there. There's no doubt about it. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Alright. Yeah. I get the c I get the color, you know, the combination like confusing uniform. You don't know if they're home or away, I get that. Josh: Yeah, I get that. Matt Seidl: but you know, I mean, yeah. The alright, I'll go to number three. My number three, I think it's time for a restricted area in for taking charges in high school basketball. When I walk through Josh: I love this. Yeah. Matt Seidl: the when I walk through the painting gym, they actually have the restricted area down on the floor. I don't know how many high school courts actually have it. Josh: Really? Okay. Matt Seidl: which is interesting because t all of Tom Reason's teams used to you know, they'd they'd flop all over the place trying to get charges and yet they've got a rest yeah, ironic that they had a restricted area. Tom, yeah, I called you out, man. But Josh: I will I I you beat me to the punch. You beat me to the punch. Yeah. You you know you beat me to the pun. I mean, I I mean I've never I mean, listen, we both love Tom, great guy and everything. I mean, it was I I mean it it was embarrassing. I mean, there's just bodies flailing all over the place for his teams. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: There's so and and the flopping thing, I know there's a p now there's a warning and then potentially a technical foul. I mean just start just start f putting fouls on people left and right for even thinking about flopping. Flopping is such a a bad thing for basketball. Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Matt Seidl: But the restricted area I think would really help high school basketball. Josh: I love that. I love that one. I mean you I mean I yeah. You know I what's your famous line again? There's three things that's gonna happen when you try to take a charge. Go ahead, give it to us. Matt Seidl: I think mo one is you can get a foul call. Two, you can get hurt. And w I don't even know what the third one I can't remember. Josh: The third one was you actually draw the charge. So two of the three things are bad. Right. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Yeah, two of the three are bad. Right. Yeah. So you never ne ne never teach your best players to s flop around and take charges 'cause it's gonna end bad for you, but you know, so all right. W what's your number three? Josh: Absolutely. So my number my number three Yeah, my number three is that just like in the NBA, if you get a rebound and you call timeout without dribbling, I believe women's basketball at the college level is like this as well. You get to advance the ball Matt Seidl: Mm. Josh: across half court as long as you don't dribble it on when you get that rebound. Or if they score and you call timeout, you get the ball advanced beyond half court. I love that. I think it would give us so many end-of-game situations that are exciting and give chances instead of these, you know, going ninety four feet and two and a half seconds and things like that. Matt Seidl: Yeah, I mean I you know, I'm I'm indifferent not indifferent, I just I'm I'm kinda torn on that one. It would create more excitement at the end of the game Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: for sure. but I also think y you didn't earn that that seventy feet, that sixty feet, you know, you didn't earn it. you need to earn that by getting the ball inbounds and getting it up the floor. But it does you know, I love the college game and the pro game when you can do that. So maybe that would be a great addition. So all right, that's your number three. What's your number two? Josh: Well, I mean, shot clock added and then on and with that eliminate the five second call altogether. There's no need for the five second call if we have a shot clock. It that's the a lot of time you get to shoot it in. If you wanna stand and dribble at half court for those thirty-five seconds, y you know, you do you, whatever you wanna do. But we've gotta get the shot clock added. That's number two. Matt Seidl: Shot clock is my number two as well, although I'm gonna take it another step. I don't think 35 is good enough. Just go right to the college game and go with the 30 second shot clock. It's perfect for Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: the college game shot clock is perfect. NBA is clearly I think the heck, I think the NBA should go to 30 and it it maybe make that game. Yeah, it's too Josh: Yeah, it's too quick. Yeah. Matt Seidl: quick and it it leads to kind of some sloppy or undisciplined basketball or four shots. But the 30 second shot clock, especially at the varsity level of high school, it's time. It's long overdue. Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: Get with it MHSAA and and eight eight more importantly ADs across the state. Get get off your lazy rear ends and get that thing approved. So my right, that's my number two. My number one, been saying this for a few years, people think I'm crazy. It's time to go to six personal fouls in high school basketball. Five personal fouls. Josh: I knew you were gonna say this and I hate this. Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Matt Seidl: as I mentioned last week, there are some officials out there that impact games way too much. Josh: You might not want to go there again. I'm I I do a lot of editing. Matt Seidl: For different for different reasons. Yes, there are some there are some officials out there. This even for the good officials who make mistakes, I would make a mistake if I were officiating them. Officiating is really hard to do. Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: you get a you make a tough call on a on a key kid in a game and you give them their second foul in the first half, or even the first foul early in the game. You impact the game sometimes with that mistake. If you go to six personal fouls where every individual got six fouls, a missed call or a tic tac foul or maybe one that the if ref got wrong, a block charge kind of thing, it wouldn't be so impactful. It would take some of the pressure off the officials, it would take the coaches off the officials back. I think it'd be better for the game. And in what sport do the best players have to sit down for fouls? You can have ten holding calls in football. You don't get you don't have to go to the bench. Your coach should put you on the bench. Probably as many as you want. Basketball Josh: Yeah, I have no idea. Matt Seidl: is the only sport where the sometimes the game's decided w with the best players on the bench because a rule put them on the bench. Not for fighting, not for technical fouls, but for too many personal fouls. Doesn't make any sense to me. Six is enough. So or two, just the right amount. Josh: I don't even wanna talk about my number one right now because I'm So enraged by your number one. I I can't Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Josh: tell you what a horrible rule that is for so many reasons. And I think where I'll start is you, if anything, I would go to four before I go to six. I'd say take Matt Seidl: Yeah, okay. Josh: it down to four. And I say that because, you know, I'm gonna tell you this right now: you do not want to play Luma Christie basketball if we all get six fouls, because we already hear from everybody how physical we are, how physical, man, they're they're so physical. They're that you know, no one really says dirty, but man, they're physical. Matt Seidl: I Josh: So they push they they what? Matt Seidl: I say d I say dirty occasionally. I just yeah, I'm just let's be let's be real here. Okay, go ahead. Josh: You know, I I I'll that is not true. I would never allow my players to be dirty, but I encourage them to be physical. And I'm gonna tell you, you give me six fouls with all those guys and my football players and my big strong guys. Like, I don't think that's good for anyone. And I think it I think you're gonna have greater separation between the bad teams and the good teams. Cause I I just think that, and on top of it, I've had some teams with incredible perimeter athletes. Like I had some teams at Milan. that could really get after you in the full court. And I'm gonna tell you, if you give them six fouls and they can really get after you and and things like that, I think it's worse. And Matt Seidl: But you can't get you can't get after it because you're still shooting free throws. If you're gonna out there and hack the crap out of us and get your five fouls in a quarter, we're going to the foul line every time you foul for two free throws. There's already a built-in penalty. Your best player shouldn't have to go off the floor. We play in the summer, either AAU plays a lot of times with six fouls, great rule, or in the summer nobody even keeps track of personal fouls. And and and it Josh: No, they don't in the summer. Yeah, and and what happens to those summer games? Fights, people wanna I mean, close there's a lot of games in the summer stopped because things get out of Matt Seidl: lot of ne I I don't remember I don't remember any fights in the summer. What what what are you talking about? What are you talking you don't even coach in the summer. You let your assistants coach. What are talking about? Alright, what is your number one? Enough of that. Josh: my number one allow dunking in warm-ups. I mean, this is not 1970, you know, or 68 Louell Cinder where we can't dunk in games and and things like that, whatever. I mean, we're we can dunk in a game. I mean Why can we not dunk in warm-ups? It is the dumbest rule I've ever heard of. And then to make it worse, if you dunk in warmups, you get the coach gets a technical foul. Don't give me a technical technical foul. Give give the kid that dunked a technical of anything. Don't give it to me. But what kills me is it's just a farce and it's a it's embarrassing like what is going on with this rule. So for instance, one we'll play teams, they'll have an assistant coach stand by the locker room waiting for the refs so that their team can dunk in warm-ups. and then make you know, give a signal of when it was they're coming out, so then they all stop dunking. You know, and it just Matt Seidl: Okay. Josh: or, you know, I mean that's the other thing is what's kind of a joke is mo most officials come out at the ten minute mark, which Makes sense. It's consistent. We expect that. It's normal. Then we have our meeting, all those things. Totally get all that. I'm on board with that. But then that means everybody's out there just jamming until 10 minutes left. But now they come out and like, okay, we're going back to layups and shooting. Like, what are we doing? It is ridiculous. It is the is the dumbest rule. I I don't understand. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Right. I I I don't understand it either. I I you know, and and on top of that, why are we you know, why are we assessing technical fouls for hanging on the rim in a game? I I mean if a kid like hangs on the rim, climbs Josh: What yeah? Matt Seidl: up there, throws his legs above the rim, you know, kicks the the middle of the backboard, does some kind of, you know, ridiculous gymnastics move up there, maybe you can call that unsportsman like conduct or whatever you want to call it, but You know, of officials having to worry about, you know, whether there was a foul on the play, did the ball go in and then they're worried about the kid hanging on the rim a little bit when he just trying to brace himself after a very athletic move. It's just a a technical foul after a a dunk is just one of the dumbest Josh: What Okay. Matt Seidl: things in the world too. Josh: Now this is gonna take us down a scary road, but we're gonna go there. I plus I always have editing ability. so ha Matt Seidl: Yeah. Josh: but like I love what you just brought up there too. It is ridiculous that that Kids get teed up. I don't even care if they do a chin up after they dunk. I don't care. Like that's what we're seeing on TV in college and in the NBA. So why is it like but then you're gonna get the official that tees that kid up, you know what it's disrespecting the game. Like who are you? You like you're you're not here to evaluate who respects and disrespects the game. Like I I mean, so you're telling me that Tom Izzo and and John Calapari don't respect or Nate Oates don't respect the game because they let their guys dunk and hang on the rim and you know, like I just Like, yeah, we got to get rid of some of these things. We have some people that decide that to play a bigger role than they they should. And they try to make like how would I say this, but maybe make it so ever they seem noticed at a game. And and now in their defense, they're following the wishes of the MHSAA or or the NFHS. I'm not sure which one that is, but like we need to get away from that. I couldn't agree with you more. Matt Seidl: Hundred percent. Josh: Yep. Matt Seidl: All right. Hey man, we just improved the game immensely with our eight changes or seven because we had one that was in agreement. But yeah, I think it's time it's time we we get on a committee and let's make this happen. So Josh: Let's go. Matt Seidl: all right, we're gonna move to our third quarter. It is after halftime. And Josh, this was your baby in terms of ideas. So four burning questions is what we're gonna call So you've got two for me, I've got two for you. So I'm gonna let you go first. Go ahead. Josh: All right. So my my first burning question for you, because you brought it up a few episodes ago and it's been discussed for ten years, the possibility of it. And I don't know if it makes things any better, but do we need to go to five divisions for s for state championships in basketball? Matt Seidl: Ugh, I used you know I tell you what, again, it this is all about you know where where you are personally. When I was at Olivet, yes, I was like, let's go to five because we were we were a small division two with you know four hundred kids, a little under four hundred now, having to play, you know, in division two tournaments at that point, sometimes against schools closer to a thousand students, because that was like the the top of D two. Right now And I'm not at Olivelle anymore. Olivet happens to be the smallest D two boys basketball team in the state. I believe they're at three hundred and seventy-five students. And the top of D two is seven ninety-six. So five divisions would put Olivet where they kind of feel they should be. And I've always thought of Olivet as really more of a D three school. It would put them in D three. So for you know, for the small D twos, the small D threes, yes, they all want five divisions. And and And when I was at a small D two at the time, yeah, I I felt the same way. if you're if if you're a big D two or a big D three, probably don't want the rule because you know that now all of a sudden Josh: Right. Matt Seidl: you're you're not at the top anymore. You're gonna be in the middle of your division. So does it water it down? Not really. Right now in boys basketball, I think there's a hundred and between a hundred and seventy seven and a hundred and seventy nine schools in each division. I think two of Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: them have 177 right now and two have 179, which is kind of weird. but I'm sure there's ties with enrollment. if we split it into five, we'd be looking at 142 to 143 in a division. That's still a legitimate tournament with a you know, it's not like football, which they can't help, but there's only like sixty schools in a you know, division in football. Like D D four, D five, whatever we're talking about. So I don't think it would really water down the tournament. It would make their you talk about the state. schedule, it would make that final that championship day a little clunky. How do you get five games into a day instead of four? They might have to cut out the the photos after each game and take that to another area of of the Brussels Josh: Right. Matt Seidl: Center and let's get that next game going. It it it's doable with five, but I'm probably more indifferent. Like I'm at a school now where I don't think it it wouldn't matter. I think we'd still be sitting in D two no matter what. So my preference is I could live with it, but I'm not passionate about it. So Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: all right. Josh: What do you got for me? Matt Seidl: My first my first burning question for you is this one. Is there a better way to do the Michigan Power Rankings, MPR, in basketball and really other sports as well? As we know right now, it's the hundred percent. The formula is your record counts 25% of your your Josh: Mm-hmm. Matt Seidl: MPR. Your opponent's record, regardless of whether you win or lose, counts 50% of your MPR. and your opponent's opponent's record counts twenty-five percent. So it's twenty five, fifty, twenty-five. Josh: Correct. Matt Seidl: Is is is there a better way to do it or is that is that we should just keep it like it is? Josh: I mean that's the easiest this is I mean, maybe burning, but it's an easy question. Absolutely is the better way to do it. You did. I mean Matt Seidl: I I I teed I I I teed one up for you, is that what you're saying? Okay. Josh: I mean it's I mean, I've started to schedule based on the the poor system that they have set up the MPR. So what I try to do is go out and find small schools who I think we're better than that will be decent games, but we probably would be favored in. But I know they're powerhouses in D three or D four. or you know or I'll find a school, a D2 school who's in a really bad league. And I know these teams are gonna win 17 to 20 games. And so if we win, we get all those points And we won a game. And if we lose, I still get all those points. So, like, I mean, I've started scheduling that way, which again, shame on others that haven't, but that's how you should schedule non-league based on NPR if you're interested in the points. So I think that you know, it's yeah, it's a broken system. It needs to go 50% for your own record. Your your own record should be 50%, Thirty-five percent. I like that. Thirty-five percent for your opponent's records, fifteen percent for your opponent's opponents records. I think fifty, thirty-five, fifteen would be ideal. I know I'll give you a great example. two years ago we we won the district in Hanover. I know Grass Lake was upset because we were the one seed and they were not. I think they were nineteen and one or twenty-one and one, whatever it was, and we got the seed over them because and this was part Of their own fault with their scheduling, which I don't want to go back into all that with bring out all the haters again from the Cascades, but Matt Seidl: Mm, mmm, mmm, mm, mm. Josh: their sket they their non-league schedule was not good, and and so they even though they had a better record than us, our four losses were to team to a team that was 21 and 1, or you know, or three of our four losses. So again, you and we got the one seed over them. So then they had to play Hanover in the semi. They lost, where instead they would have played Napoleon in the semi, and probably. won and then then we would have had to play handover in the semi. So it's just and we'd be you know we and we wouldn't have had all that animosity online because we wouldn't have played Derek again. So but no I think that's a great example of yeah the MPR is broke. I like 50 35 15. Matt Seidl: Inter yeah, and you know, in and if we're not gonna change the percentages, which I agree with you that we should, at least look at something. You know, with football, they it matters if it matters if they win or lose, it matters the size of the schools they're playing. It's not just the record of the school they're playing. I think basketball should consider a different formula as well. And and if basketball's gonna do it, so will volleyball and soccer and the other ones that use the the Michigan Power rankings. So all right. Josh: Yeah, you bring y you bring up a good point right there. What like again, I go back to this. I know we like to joke about football getting everything, or at least I do, but I also am the first one to say they do everything right. Like, I love how they see the regionals. I love how they host all the way until the semis. I love their playoff point system. Like, why are we all just not Matt Seidl: Hmm. Josh: copying football? Matt Seidl: Well, and in because football has a presence with the MHSA and the MHSA Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: works really closely with football and some of the you know, let's look look at the people making decisions and what sport are they affiliated with. Basketball is not bas yeah, second class citizen, baby. And it it's cra it's Josh: Yeah. Yeah, I just I just yeah. Matt Seidl: crazy that it is. So all right, you got me going now. Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: anyway, all right, you're you're up again. Josh: Yes, so my second burning question for you, I and I this is me poking the bear a little bit. is it time for the MHSA to adopt the one time transfer and no questions asked policy? Matt Seidl: Absolutely not. We already do that. When when Josh: Ha ha. Matt Seidl: the when these Jackson County kids and their families aren't happy with their local school, they as a incoming freshman, some of them, a lot of them, choose, Lou and Christie. And that is their one-time choice to jump school districts into another school district and get on a team. Josh: No, I'm talking about once you're in high school. Matt Seidl: Well, I'm just telling you, they already get their cho they get their chance. C Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: to live in one community and go to a school somewhere else and, you know, collection of of athletes so we can have success in high school and everybody feel good about themselves. Kind of a you know, kinda like a club team or something like that. I I've heard it called that before. Josh: Well I'll that was not where I was going with this because Matt Seidl: Well, I'm that's where I'm going. Kids and parents already have their one time deal and that's entering their freshman Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: year. There's no reason to give them another freebie later in the year. If they want to pick up and move and do it right, then that's one thing. But otherwise it's it's gonna be no different than AAU basketball. That's Josh: Okay. All right. Matt Seidl: my take. That's my take. Josh: I I I mean I kinda thought that, but go ahead. Yeah. I 'cause it's coming. I I do think it's coming. It's coming though. I mean I I I don't I feel like it is. Yeah, I it's it's happening in other states. I think it's gonna come. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Ha ha yeah you tee you tee you tee that one up too. No way. No way. No. No. No, yeah. There's a lot some other things happening in other states that aren't working either. I I hear actually Josh: You mean like Matt Seidl: the the the the one state that's close to us that is doing that, it's not going very well and and that may and that may go away soon too, so Josh: really? Okay. Well and there there are other things happening in other states like shock clocks too, aren't there? Okay, okay. Never mind. Go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, it is going well. Yeah. Yeah. Correct. Matt Seidl: But that is going well. That continues to grow. Yeah, exactly. Alright, here's one for you, Mr. Loom and Christie. All right. Josh: boy. Matt Seidl: And the fact that you're not at church right now is amazing to me. should coaches and teams be free to practice on Sundays if they so choose? Because I know some schools frown on it, some coaches frown on it, some families frown on it, others Josh: Mm-hmm. Matt Seidl: couldn't couldn't care less. How do you feel about that? Josh: I love this question. Wow. I okay, I love this. All right. if you would have asked me this in the mid, I don't know, 2012 to 2016, I would have been adamant that you should be allowed to practice on Sundays. and that, you know. I mean, obviously in a window, you know, say between one and five, you know, after church, before family dinner, things like that, middle of the day, I would have been adamant in that four or five year window, like I said. You're asking me this now. I I do not think we should be allowed to practice on Sundays. And I'll tell you what what changed. When I was at Myland, we practiced every Sunday. usually one to three or two to four, one of those two slots, depending on the kids' availability. Gave my kids a chance to spend the morning with their family, go to church wherever they went, get to Myland for practice, and everybody got home in time for dinner. And I think those things are important. of course, we couldn't make them mandatory, but everybody showed up and it was varsity only. They were, without a question, in my five years at Myland, the best practice we had every single week. Kids slept in, had time with family, had a good meal at lunch, came rested to practice, without dragging through a day at school and the drama of, you know, whatever else was going on in life. And it was and then we could really get after him. I mean, and we could get up and down. The pace was the energy, everything. We could push them hard because we knew that the game still wasn't till Tuesday. And we could really focus on us as a team. And I love that. Much like a Wednesday practice is right now for us. But again, you're you're going through the grind of a school day on a Wednesday too, though. So it it wasn't still Sundays were still better. Then when I moved to Chelsea in 2015, they had a policy as a public school that knows Sunday practices. And I was part of a group that really pushed against that you know early on. And I I like could we get it changed, you know, things like that. And it there wasn't just there wasn't enough of us that thought it was important. And quite honestly, after talking to a lot of the other coaches that lived in that community and taught there, you know, they they showed me that in a lot of ways it was a great day to take Off for kids and and all the reasons. And I and I came around on that at the end. I really did. And then obviously being at a Catholic school, we're not allowed to do anything on Sundays, anyways. I I just think it's it's good. but what I would like to see is I don't know, maybe something that was brought up earlier by a pretty smart basketball coach that's doing this a long time. Let us play two games on Saturday, let us play Matt Seidl: Mm. Josh: four games in a week. you know, or how about why why do we always play Tuesday, Friday? Like, I love. what the Cascades does by mixing up what days of the week they play. But that being said, if if I had to play on a Monday night and you couldn't practice on Sunday, na I mean, kind of taking taking a lot of me and my prep out of the equation. Matt Seidl: Yeah, and and I think there there's the there's the whole thing. i Sundays, Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: I mean, i yeah, if you can take the weekend off, great. Like if you play Friday Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: and you don't play again to Wednesday, you know. Take the weekend off. You go Monday, Tuesday, prep for Wednesday. The key, the the reason for weekend practices by coaches who really care about preparation is they want two days prep before Josh: Yes. Matt Seidl: every game. They play Tuesday, they get Wednesday and Thursday for Friday. If they play Friday, they either gotta get Sunday and Monday for the Tuesday game, or they gotta go Saturday and Monday for the Tuesday game. Josh: Mm-hmm. Matt Seidl: Bringing kids in Saturday after a a Friday night game is not easy. Heck, a lot of those kids work. A lot of them maybe Josh: Yep. Matt Seidl: work the youth basketball program and you know. That so th there's just a lot of conflict. Sunday to me was always the right move. if you had to, if you wanted that two day prep. As an A D, all I really care about is let's not go seven days. Six days, if you're a basketball coach, I always feel like you should be going six days. And Josh: Right. Matt Seidl: and and whether it's, you know, Saturday instead of Sunday or whatever, fine. I also think some of these teams that play like, you know, there's these leagues that stagger their their schedules, they play like Monday, Thursday. or they play Tuesday, Thursday. Yeah, Friday practices suck. So take f take Friday off and maybe even take Saturday off and then come back Sunday. So now you're still only going five days that week and not even having to go sixth. But I just think, you know, Sunday is I mean, these kids play youth sports on Sundays all the way growing up, including Yeah. Right. Josh: well that's the argument, right? No, no, that that's the argument. my my kids played every travel sport they played and every youth sport they ever played was on a Sunday. I mean are you Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Yeah, and all s all of a sudden Sunday's the sacred day once they become fifteen years old. Drives me nuts. But anyway, classic response by you. Wait way to ride the fence. No, I I I get it. It it it all Josh: No no I Matt Seidl: I know. I I know I know exactly what you're saying. Josh: But but I think the real solution is not playing on Mondays. You know, that's the real solution. And and I think, you know, for instance, and the reason I bring this up is I've been trying to set up practices to go to with a bunch of colleges. Like I'm going to Michigan State not on Monday. Well, tomorrow I'm going to Michigan State practice. But I reached out to Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan about going to their practices, Spring Harbor, and I asked them to send me a schedule. I'll bet none of those schools practice on Sunday. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Interesting because Derek and I attended a practice last weekend during BCAM, which was going Josh: Women's? Yeah. But Matt Seidl: on in Battle Creek. Derek and I went to the University of Michigan women's practice. But Josh: Right. Matt Seidl: by the way, they're they're loaded again this year. it was a noon Sunday practice. Josh: Right, but but but that's Ann Arbor and you know, we could go down the political road and why that probably happened, but we'll stay away from that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah. Matt Seidl: Great great greatest town in the state of Michigan, Ann Arbor. We got a problem with Ann Arbor? What are we talking about? All right. All right. We it's time to get to the fourth quarter. We have run out of time in the third quarter. Our Josh: Mm-hmm. Matt Seidl: fourth quarter. This is gonna be interesting. And we maybe have talked about this in one of our previous seasons a few years ago, but this is gonna be our our top four basketball movies. and anything goes, but it's gotta be a Technically a basketball movie. So, we're gonna Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: go right from the bottom up. Josh, we're gonna let you go first with your number four. Josh: Ooh, I l okay, I get to go first. All right, let me pull this up here. so my number four. G and we're talking about Sundays and religion and politics. This is perfect timing. What a great segue. Jesus Shuttleworth, baby. Number four, he got game. Denzel, Ray Allen, just classic, excellent basketball movie. And at the time, this was pre-NIL, obviously. You know, everybody had a bag of cash for them. Everybody had a handout. We had the girlfriend that wanted to get pregnant. We had all these different clinger ons. Everybody was looking for their way out. you know, they bring Denzel out of jail, and if he can get him to sign at a certain school, they'll, you know, they'll release him from prison or they'll shorten his sentence. You know, all those things. And it was just a great basketball movie, great cast. one of my many Hollywood crushes, Rosario Dawson, was the girlfriend Matt Seidl: Hm. Josh: in that. just yeah, a great, great film. What a great name. What a great name. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Matt Seidl: Great movie. I was lit yeah, yeah. I I know, I know. I was late to that movie. Like I didn't see it when it came out. I saw it years later and and didn't even understand the hype. And then I watched it. yeah, this is a great this is a great movie. It was good. So I I I I respect that one. My number Josh: yeah. Yeah. Yep. All right. Matt Seidl: four because I if I'm flipping channels and I come across it, I stop. And that would be White Men Can't Jump. Josh: Ha ha. Matt Seidl: Nin nineteen ninety two. Wesley Snipes, Woody Harrelson, hey R little Rosie Perez too. that was Josh: Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: I mean, Venice Beach, but the trash talking in that particular movie is hilarious. And Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: it was it's a great cast. It's it's it's a fun movie. it's got a pretty cool storyline, but it's just in in you know, love Woody Harrelson, but in Snipes too was one of my favorite actors. But Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: that movie that movie has always intrigued me, despite the title, which probably offends some, but Josh: No. Matt Seidl: and there might be some truth to it too. I don't know. But so anyway, that's my number four. My number three, which Josh: That that did not make the cut for me, but it was close. Yeah. Matt Seidl: Yeah. my number three, which used to be my number one for years, so people will probably be surprised when I put this at number three, and that would be the nineteen eighty six movie called Hoosiers. which is you know, I mean characters like Jimmy Chitwood and and Normandale, shooter of course, right? Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: My the quotes from that movie, you know, I mean there's two kinds of dumb and watch that purgatory they call a gym, no drive, twelve foot in, identify by you know. Those that movie, dude, I again it's another one I stop and watch every single time I see it. love it. I've seen it hundreds of times. Can't get enough of it. Josh: I mean, great choice. It'll be brought up later by me as well. And you missed a few lines Matt Seidl: Yeah. Josh: as well. But I number three for me is a recent. movie and I believe it was a Netflix. I'm I'm not sure it was next Netflix or Prime, but I'm pretty sure it was Netflix by Adam Sandler. And I'm gonna go with Hustle. And Adam Sandler works for the 76ers and he's a scout. He's out there to find talent, looking in all Matt Seidl: Great. Josh: the the dark holes of the world for talent and finds a guy and he's he's married to Queen Latifa, who I love, and brings him back and and the kid doesn't quite make it. This this this story about all the talent in the world but you know, mentally he he just isn't there. And and you see how Adam Sandler takes this kid under his wing and and kind of grooms him to be ready for the NBA and and to make the team. And he's fighting this battle with this brother and sister who inherited the team. It's just it's a great story. It's a ton of comedy, it's a lot of great basketball, which I really liked. Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Read. Josh: and I yeah, I just thought it was a great story. Matt Seidl: There you go. It it's I y you I think you hit that one pretty good. So what's your Josh: Yeah. Yep. Matt Seidl: number two? Josh: My number two, and and I'll be honest, that I went back and forth with my number one and number two. But I landed on my number two with I I don't think it's the best, but it's my favorite, and that's blue chips. Nick Nolte in Blue Chips is unbelievable. I mean, come on, you got Shaq and Penny on this, and then Novak from Indiana. That's your team. And you know, you're buying Penny a house and his mom's getting a job, Novak's getting a tractor. They want to give Shaq stuff, but he won't take it. I mean, it is it is the ultimate, like how it used to work before NIL. but I mean the the The cast as far as basketball goes, I mean, second to none. I mean, Bobby Knight coaches against him in the game. You got Matt Seidl: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Josh: I mean, you you had all the best players, but yeah, early all the best Matt Seidl: Early. Early, yeah, yeah, it was good. Josh: players in college basketball and young NBA stars played in that game. So the level of basketball is incredible. there was a fix, you know, there's a fix on a basketball Matt Seidl: yeah. Josh: game. Tony was his name that fixed the game. Matt Seidl: Mm-hmm. Josh: I mean, just it was an incredible game. Tony was failing TV. He showed up at his dorm, kicked the Matt Seidl: Failing T V That's right Nick No Josh: door down. He's like, How you how you failing TV? And then he's like, that is he's walking out, he goes, Tony, Tony, are you? Weird condoms. Don't get the girl pregnant. And it's just, I mean, it was just like classic stuff like that. But what really got me was the end when Nolti on the stage. You know, he's like, you know, he's like, yeah, we're paying these guys, and they had the villain happy. I could go on and on. I might go, I might watch it later today. I mean, it's just it's my favorite basketball movie of of all time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: It Ed O'Neal is great in that movie too, is the reporter. It's great. I think I think the player the country boy was Nover, not Novak, right? Yeah, yeah. I I know exactly yeah, he was he was good too. Yeah, he was he was underrated in that one. So yeah, that was a good one. I it was definitely in my honorable mention. So Josh: Nover, that's what it was. Nover, yeah, yeah, from Indiana, yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Okay. Matt Seidl: my number two, two thousand five movie called Coach Carter. and I again another one I can't pass up, you know, Samuel Jackson playing Coach Carter. It's pretty funny. Rob Brown, you know really good sports movie actor. Channing Tatum is in that movie. People forget that, you know. And then Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: there's Rick Gonzalez, right? That's Timo Cruz. Like that was a great role. as an English teacher, the poem, you know, Our Deepest Fear, Marianne Williamson wrote that. That's part of that movie. So it always caught my Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: attention extra. You know, what what is your deepest fear? Car Coach Carter was always asking Timo Cruz, what's your deepest fear? And at the end When they're in that study table, you know, and he stands up and he a as Coach Carter was gonna quit, and they he he recites that poem 'cause he finally understood what what it was all about. And I mean it you know, w what's the quote? It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. I mean, dude, like that just gave you chills, especially as like I said, as someone who who taught the poem and was an English teacher for years. So that that that that movie I love. I love I don't know how realistic actually it's based on a true story, but I'm sure it's fabricated Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: a little bit. Josh: I so I'm probably gonna lose some popularity points for this with you and probably the listeners, but I I just never liked that movie. Like I I watched it once and I'm like if I never see it again, I'm good. Like it was just kinda like I it just never clicked for me. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know, I just couldn't get down with it. Couldn't get down with it. Matt Seidl: I think I do I think I get to go number one first, don't I? Or do you I guess I I think we we're in a snake type of snake type thing. My number one, it is it and it's not even close. It really isn't even close. Josh: go, go, go. Yeah. Let's go. I'm I'm actually dying to know what your number one is because blue chips didn't make it. Hold on. If you say, if you say finding Forester, I'm ending the podcast. no. You are such an English dork. It's unbelievable. It is it is all Matt Seidl: It is 100% finding Forester. Best basketball movie of all time. Yeah, yeah, I'm an English door. Yeah. The combin the combination of writing and literature in basketball is phenomenal. And again, again, Rob Brown again is is Jamal Wallace. We got Sean Connery as William Josh: We just lost subscribers. Yeah. Yeah, I know. Sean Matt Seidl: Forrester. Dude, it challenges stereotypes. It's a great place. It's a great movie. But that climactic scene at the end. When he's reading, you know, when William Forrester is reading the essay, everybody thinks it's his and they c find out that it's actually Jamal Wallace's. Josh: Yeah. Matt Seidl: It come on. Is there a better is there a better ending to a basketball movie in any of them that you've seen? I know you're gonna say yes. I will find Forrester, Barnun, nothing's even close it in my eyes right now. Josh: Well, I mean, how much I mean I didn't even want to get it. I knew I knew this was gonna go there. I and I it's a I don't know, it's a bad movie. I'll just say it's a bad movie. It's not even a good movie. This is a bad movie. I mean, I like I would rather do yard work. But anyways, the but I'll give you a better bat end of the sc I mean I seriously I knew you were gonna do this with the English thing, but I I'm like, no, he won't really do this. But as you start to go through your list, I'm like no, he's gonna do this. So yeah, Matt Seidl: yeah, yeah. Josh: it's bad. It's bad. if you're listening, young people, don't waste your time. You know, just get on YouTube, something, play video games. my number one, which also is not popular with young people, like because I noticed I took my team to the Hoosiers Gym and you went with us. And most of my players had never seen the movie Hoosiers, and they watched it on the the bus we rented to go down there. And that was the first time for many of them to see it. I do think Hoosiers is is a generational movie, and I don't think it it it goes from one generation to the next. I think what the issue is is I don't think young people are ever gonna buy into Hoosiers. They're not gonna understand maybe if they're that's force fed by a dad or something like that. But our generation, and you know, I'd say people down maybe to 30 at you know at the youngest bought in. I don't that might even be too young. I don't know. But anyways, my favorite line in Hoosiers. First off, there there's a better ending to a movie. I don't know. Jimmy Chipwood hits the shot to win. I mean, come on, in Butler's gym, unbelievable. And how about when they measure up to the rim and measure the lane? And you know, you're gonna find this the same dimensions as our high school gym. Now, Matt Seidl: Okay. Josh: again, going back to earlier, East Jackson and Lincoln couldn't do that because it's not 94 feet, but but but also my favorite. Line is when Buddy fouls out, and again, bring it back earlier stuff in the pod with your six rules. Buddy wouldn't have fouled out with your rules, but Matt Seidl: Correct. Yeah. Josh: Buddy fouls out and he he just looks at Norman Dale. Norman looks at him and he's got to put Ollie in the game who can't play, you know. You who makes the big free throws and everything. But he looks down on them and they both pause and look at each other. And he says, Denteen, because earlier Matt Seidl: Mm. Josh: in the game, he asks him, I want you to guard him so close. I want to know what gum he's chewing. And and yeah, just I mean, I I could c I could probably recite every line in that movie. I've seen it so many times. It's it's not my favorite. I go back, Blue Chips is my favorite, but Hoosiers is, you know, the greatest movie of all time, just like Michael Jordan's the greatest basketball player. I mean those those two things. Matt Seidl: My two honorable mentions, I won't go into detail, but just quickly blue chips was definitely one of Josh: Okay. Matt Seidl: the other one I really like is Glory Road. I like the true story, the the Texas Western story, Josh Lucas's, Don Haskins. It was really good, man. Yeah. Josh: glory road. Yeah. Glory Road was on my list. It was that and White Man Can't Jump that just didn't didn't quite make it. But I yeah, I love Glory Road as well. True story too. Matt Seidl: Well, you know, sometime before your season I mean w we're a we're a when this podcast comes out next week or this week later, we're gonna be a month away from the start of boys' basketball practice. So you're not gonna have much time. I may have to get together with you. Josh: Well, not for us. Not for us. Yeah. Matt Seidl: I may have to get together with you and like we'll watch Finding Forester together. I'll see if I can educate you on the finer points of of you know the humanity and so forth. It's it's great. And the the music is awesome at the end, you know, the the little over the rainbow song at the end. That's it's good stuff, man. I I I might go downstairs and watch it. I gotta get a haircut. But other than that I I might do that. So Josh: Well, if you need a nap, throw it on the T V, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt Seidl: god. All right. Well, hey, there's another episode. We appreciate you guys spending time with us. we will see you next time.