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Episode 56 Backlash 2024 Review · Podcast Championship Wrestling

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For the first time w w E premium live event Leone for helping across the
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the biggest stars in sports in the States. Who your question is leone would
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finish some new stories, because when the stakes are this high, the world
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ask this is about more than friendship. That's truly off. It's okay to
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I'm going to demolish every day. If you come at the king, you're
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best not missed. Ready for I'll call from the struggle and level the trouble.
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I'll pin of a pore. I'm done thinking of the lighter money,
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more picking at all to give you a club. If they would have ready
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four Championship upward raabs. This is Backlass. Hey, this is WWE and
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CW alumni, the BLUEMENI and you're listening to pc W. The question is,
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world with a black one? Either of world? Yeah, chack, what's
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up? Bigs? I'm bad, you gotta big. I'm bad and I
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found world right there? Ah you know back the one. Oh, ladies
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and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages. Welcome back to
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another episode of PCW podcast Championship Wrestling. How the hell did you find on
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your way back to this? All? Right? To kick off, we
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are going to be reviewing Backlash in Leon, France. But I am not
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doing this alone. Drey, welcome back, yo, Yo? What to
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do? PCW crew? Dude, I swear when we got off our private
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PCW h jet and we're coming back from France, I did did we forget
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any anything or like anybody? I don't. I don't think. So this
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is weird, right, this is like quiet all the way home. It's
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weird, weird, quiet, plain ride. I don't think we forgot anybody
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in France. Yeah, I mean yet me. Yeah dude, Yeah,
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dude, you and me were there, you and me, you and me
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and they were back. But you know what, I, oh, ship,
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did we did we leave Doyle in France? I thought he was with
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you. I thought he chose to stay. I thought he loved it so
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much he said screwt oh Oh is that what he meant? Oh? I
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thought he had to go to the bathroom or something. And then I just
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never saw him again. Uh, okay, well, I mean just to
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I guess we got to call somebody to fill in. Uh do I know
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the guy. I know the guy, Han hold On, I know I
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know the guy. H Hey, what's going on? Guys? Thanks for
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picking me up along the way. I didn't know you can hike, dude.
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Yeah, dude, And thankfully you were back in Gorilla and and you're
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always ready to be on call. Man. Yeah, but you know,
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I'm going to do the job. I'm here, dude. It's great.
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I love having you on man. Every time you're on it it's great.
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I mean, and you know, I haven't seen you since WrestleMania, and
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we kind of haven't really chit chatted since WrestleMania. Dude, it was It
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was great seeing you and your wife there. I was so happy finally meet
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you guys in person. Just the whole experience was great. I honestly,
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like when we started this podcast, I never thought it would ever get to
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that, Like that's peak for this podcast. I would say, like the
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fact that we all were able to get together for such a wonderful event,
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you know, But dude, again, great having you back on. Yeah,
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it was really great meeting everybody, meeting Dre, hanging out with Dre,
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taking pictures of sting with Dre, hearing Dre stump Sting with his question,
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hearing Doyle, seeing Doyle for like ten seconds, and then he disappears
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once you turn around, and then you see Doyle get him and he's like,
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I'm gonna go take a picture with the Donkiye dok Man. And then
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you don't see Doyle again until later on that night. But still, it
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was great seeing everybody. It was great talking to everybody, And what can
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I say, I think we all got the itch to possibly go to WrestleMania
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out in Las Vegas. Right, Yeah. I saw you guys were a
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chit chatting about that on the discord. I was like, I was like,
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oh man, they're already discussing Las Vegas. Oh man, I'm not
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ruling it out. I will definitely say that. I mean, the fact
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that I have an uncle that lives in Vegas helps, you know, that
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should make lodging easier for me. And I've I've never been to Vegas,
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so I've always wanted to go check it out. But you know, obviously
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be for different reasons. Now. You know, when you're younger, you
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want to go to Vegas because it's like the ultimate party city. You want
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to go out there and just wild out, get shit faced and wasted and
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have a blast and all that. Yeah, now that I'm in my forties,
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I don't need to do that, but I still want to check out
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the city and at least, you know, check some of the attractions without
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having to get you know, wasted. And the fact that it would be
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WrestleMania, I almost wonder how it would almost seem unavoidable being in Vegas because
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it's already a party city. And then it's gonna be WrestleMania week as well.
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It's gonna be an absolute it's gonna be crazy out there. But they
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said that they're gonna change the date to like Easter. It's still Vegas.
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I understand. Ves Oh no, no, I get that. I get
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that, man, Like there ain't no fucking holidays in Vegas. Every day
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is the same. But like I'm talking like as like a casual not casual
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fan, but like like, okay, so Vegas. I'm trying to think
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of like time wise, like when in the middle of the day would that
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be would that be like an inconvenience for like families on Easter or around the
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TV April nineteenth and April twentieth, So I don't think that's Eastern Yeah,
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oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, So I mean it is. It
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is Easter weekend. But well, part of the reason why they said they
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wanted to do it was because that's a slow weekend for Vegas itself. Yeah,
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because Easter, So they don't really see a whole lot going on that
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weekend. So they figured you could slot something in as big as WrestleMania and
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it'll be a boost for them on what is typically a slower weekend for them,
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and they're one hundred percent right about that. Bringing WrestleMania to the town
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you're bringing if it does anything close to what Philadelphia did, Yeah, they're
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gonna see a huge bump that weekend and you know, just the all business
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all around, and like I said, not just that weekend, it'll probably
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be that week because it's WrestleMania. Any kind of big event that comes to
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Vegas is going to be a party. Everybody's gonna ramp up for it.
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And you're bringing one of the biggest events going around right now to your town.
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You know, WrestleMania has reached We've said it before, WrestleMania has reached
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that point. It's it's not quite super Bowl level, but it's getting there.
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As far as an annual event, it's up there. You know.
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I would put it up there probably with like it may be up there with
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All Star like NBA All Star weekend. I don't know how much money that
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brings to whatever city that comes into each weekend, but I imagine WrestleMania is
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too far off. Yeah, or any other major you know, fight that
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happens at Caesars Palace or anything in Vegas. WRESTLEMANI can compete with that,
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So it's going to be a big deal. It's going to be an absolute
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party that whole week especially that weekend, and they're gonna be like Philly where
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I WrestleMania over where everybody gonna take it back to the crib. Yeah,
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nah, this is like okay, Wrestlemani's off with where the club at?
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What after parties? Aid, especially Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and even
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that Sunday, given that RAW will probably be in Vegas, yeah, you
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know following Monday. Yeah, it's just gonna be an absolute fucking party that
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whole weekend, which again back to what I was saying before. Fortunately,
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now that I'm older, I don't feel as compelled to participate in those things.
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So you know, the youngest can have those parties and I could just
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be like cool, take it to the crib, and I don't have to
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worry about all the other shenanigans and stuff that can be traditionally associated with a
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Vegas trip. I'm not saying I wouldn't hit a casino, but I mean
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I'll probably do it like once or twice, but I ain't about to sit
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here and go broken them bitches. Yeah. I was just thinking, like
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there's there's a good possibility that somebody that weekend is gonna lose all their money
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before night too WrestleMania, and then there's gonna be somebody out there who won
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all the money, like this is the great this weekend of my life,
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and there's yeah, somebody had the worst weekend of their life. Yep,
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somebody's gonna hit a lick and somebody gonna lose their record WrestleMania tickets on the
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crap table. Oh dude, could you imagine I bet my WrestleMania tickets?
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Are you fucking insane? It's Vegas, baby, put it all on black?
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What the fuck? Yeah, that's so true. That's very possible.
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Thank God. I don't have a gambling urge in my body. The only
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thing I gamble with is pro wrestling, just much just my time. Shame,
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I don't really, I don't have that gambling itch or anything like that.
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All these sports bets and all this stuff that's happening now with sports is
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like I just look at that shit like ridiculous, Like this ain't what I
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watch sports for. I ain't here to try to bet the over under on
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how many rebounds somebody gonna have it a game or you know, how many
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yards somebody gonna pass for? Like I don't care did we win or did
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we lose? That's what I'm here for. You don't want to bet the
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over under? And how many near fall pins there's gonna be? I did?
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I don't even know how sports? Yeah, how it is here during
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the commercials that they have during the ples, they like sign on to fan
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duel and do this, and how many pins are they going to be?
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How many finishers are there going to be? Who's going to get the first
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pin? And who's going to do this? So there's a lot of things
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that they started building into those things, those probability things, the most random
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nuanced things. What's the over under on German souplexes from Jack Chad Gable.
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I'm gonna give it two and a half, right, that's ridiculous and like
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people would actually bet on that ship. Like imagine when you were sitting there
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watching the match and all you're thinking about is come on, chairing one more
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Germany? German Baby? Do you know there's a guy who's like, Yo,
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what if that's green shirt guy? What if that's him? What if
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he's the guy. He's making mad money because he knows I don't know.
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I still gotta figure that guy out. How that guy has guy already has
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money if he all the events he's attempted to, he has to. I
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was watching like older pay per views, and I would see him. I'm
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like, dude, this fucking guy's everywhere. You know, it's Jesus anytime
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I have to watch an old WrestleMania for revisiting the menia, you know.
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I I love for green Shirt guy. I want to know his origin story.
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It's just wild that they put that that's on on freaking near fall counts
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of this move or that move. Obviously they can't do it on who's gonna
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win or not because most of that's just predictable as fuck. Yeah, I'm
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gonna pick Roman for the next to three years when every match he's in.
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Yeah, I guess not with spoilers like that. So uh dude, So
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another good backlatch, I say with the question mark because last year was in
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Puerto Rico and this year we were in Leon, France. I kinda I
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kind of like them traveling out of the country right after WrestleMania. I mean,
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I mean dude, this crowd for this pay per view was hyped.
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Yeah, the crowd absolutely made the show. I mean that, let's address
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the first elephant in the room. Yeah, every well not the elephant room,
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but spoilers. Every match went exactly as we predicted it would go,
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minus one slight wrinkle. So yes, there wasn't really much excite in this
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show in any kind of storylines or outcomes or anything of that nature. All
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the interest in the show rested on two things quality of the matches, excuse
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me, and crowded interaction. And the crowd absolutely brought it for eleven thousand
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people, The motherfuckers was the loudest eleven thousand people and the most turned up
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eleven thousand people you've probably ever seen for a WW show. They if somebody
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ever put together a list of like top five crowds of all time, there's
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no way that France doesn't make it. Backlash Puerto Rico, like you could
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even say Chicago even But and you know what's funny is there what was the
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attends here? Eleven six eight? It sounded a lot more than eleven thousand,
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way more than eleven Yeah, and we were at Russell Minia where there
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were seventy plus thousand people like, and but we weren't. We weren't shaking
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the place so hard that like the fucking camera was shaking. We were We
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weren't getting alerts on our cell phones that the decibels were too high, you
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know that we were a noise issue, like in an arena at that.
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Yeah, not some open air stadium where the sound was bleeding out to the
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neighborhoods or anything like that. In an arena. Yeah, I wonder,
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like, you know, because I guess I've never got to experience it,
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like being on the outside of the arena, how like if you can hear
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anything on the outside there at a closed arena like that. But dude,
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that's crazy. I think you can if it's loud enough. I mean,
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you know, these things aren't These buildings aren't soundproof, so they're not keeping
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all this sound and there will be some bleed out. Yeah, yeah,
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if they're loud enough. And depending on how that you know, arena is
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constructed and stuff, Yeah, you could absolutely get some sound bleeding out.
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It's just like, how loud did they have to be that it bled out
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enough to set off or is it trigger people's decibel alerts. I don't know
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how far away they were, but that's still crazy. Yeah, And you
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know, I didn't know what to expect it because like when we went to
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Wrestle Mining, I brought earplugs and I'm just accustomed to having ear plugs all
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day because I work in a factory. So I was just like, well,
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I didn't know if we were going to be getting Piro right behind our
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head because that was a really good possibility right above the Titan trund like right
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there. So I was like, I don't want every match like Piro scaring
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the shit out of me. So I was like, I'm bringing ear blugs,
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which honestly was a smart decision lots as I know that, and binoculars
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were great. Yeah, it didn't really bother me at all. No,
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it wasn't. It wasn't as bad as I thought it was gonna be.
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No, but yeah, I like, hell, dude in France, Ara,
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it sounds like you needier plugs. Carlos like, let me make let
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me hear you take on this. Yeah, I thought the crowd was super
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hot for this. I mean, you go without having like any type of
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like TV show pl e's. I mean you're gonna be like giving it all
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just so they can come back to you, you know, like they gotta
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be like Leon France, they know what's up. Let's take it back there
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if we ever need to get some heat, or if we're in a dry
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spell or anything like that. So I love it for them, you know,
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because maybe it'll give them more opportunities and things like that. I still
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want to get like some translations on some of the chants, especially like when
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they had the near fall, the near fall chance that they had, I
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know, one of them that they primarily were doing kind of like like a
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little teasing during the whole aj Styles Cody Roads match was kind of it's kind
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of like, you know, like a teaser type of kind of like a
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little I guess a little bit of a bullying, but it's more like a
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teasing chant, I guess. But yeah, I'd like to next time they
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go to France, maybe get like a little subtitles they're chanting this and they're
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chanting that. Yeah, I think Cody Corey Graves occasionally tried to chime in
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with and say what they were chanting, like maybe once or twice, but
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yeah, that would be Yeah, they said the past weekend here artcle says
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this past weekend in Leon, France, the ww Backlash premium event took place.
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During the show, the fans were continuously saying uh in praise a former
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w W champion AJ Styles singing he is phenomenal, La la la. It's
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just okay, okay, yeah, okay, uh yeah. There's like you
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know, like Reddit post, it gets down to like of of all these
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like chants that they were probably saying yeah because it was difficult to understand uh.
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And then like, I guess it's frustrating when they do it continuously and
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you still don't fucking get it, and you know, I feel like I'm
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missing something. I can't take part in this. Well, I think I
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was gonna say, knowing now that it wasn't like the teasing chant, that
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it was a praising chant to AJ Styles. Now that throws off the whole
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match completely because you think it sounds more like the teasing type of like melody
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when you're listening back to it. But if it's a praising one, like
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they're praising AJ Styles is the phenomenal one, then that would just throw off
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the whole presentation for me. The way I've read the audience the whole night
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is they were pretty much they were just grateful for the show. So they
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were cheering pretty much everybody, anybody that they could cheer for. They were
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pretty much cheering, I think, even though between SmackDown and backlash, I
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think the only people who didn't get any kind of real reaction or cheer was
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Final Testament carrying crossing them when they appeared on a SmackDown or a lot of
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or something like that. But I've heard that they were the only ones that
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pretty much got no reaction from France other than that, everybody, not at
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all, not in the slightest bit of my surprise, everybody got a reaction.
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Everybody got some sort of cheering and announcement, and just reading the vibe
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of the crowd the whole night, I knew that what they were chating was
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cheering or some sort of celebration of aj styles because pretty much any time he
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did anything, they broke out that champ and like the only other thing I
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picked up all was just them counting three and French with the little detoi or
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if they kicked out, I think they were saying like almost three or almost
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two or something like that. They were saying anytime that the person kicked out
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France, they put America on notice, like I don't know, especially watching
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Raw this past Monday, like how are you how are you as an American
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fan watching France and the absolutely show out for the w WE and completely turn
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up for this show. And then they come back to your hometown you just
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like yeah, uh huh, whoa and just medium and bringing back the old
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what cham like America needs to step they game up as a crowd period because
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all these international markets are completely showing us up. From Puerto Rico last year,
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to the folks at the Clash at the Castle last year, to Leon,
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France this year next pay per views King and Queen of the Ring.
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Now Saudia's are kind of hitting and miss as far as their interaction and how
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they're live. They are, they're hit and miss. But Clash of the
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Castle is coming up again to Scotland. You know they gonna be live as
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fuck. And Americans, I think American audiences take that shit, take ww
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for granted too much. The fact that it's here all the time, which
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even then still blows my mind because WWE might be here in the States all
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the time, but they ain't in your city all the time. They ain't
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in your town all the time, unless you were like a major market like
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a New York or Chicago, or LA or Florida, where they come to
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rather frequently. Most other places in this country, or like you know,
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Canada as well, they coup a couple of times. Everyone where else.
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WWE probably comes to the Old town two maybe three times a year at the
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most. You should be damned, which is not that different from these international
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markets. You might get one, two, maybe three at the most shows
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in your town to get. You should be damn appreciative of that shit.
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You should be love as fuck, like, oh, they're here in my
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town. I don't have to watch them all TV. I can go see
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this shit. Turn the fuck up. Hey, I found an article about
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some of the chants here, So when they were counting, I'll just say
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them in English because I'm not pronouncing these in French. When they were counting,
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they would say one, two, Then they would say only two,
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with a lot of o's awesome, foe only two? Only two? Are
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those chants? Uh? What's this one? It's not nice? That was
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a chant during uso versus priest. It was nasty it was bad, it
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was evil. There's a different three different chants you were mistaken or you fucked
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up during the Kabuki Warriors versus Jade Cargo and biancabell A match. Yeah,
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that one that made up into into the post when the wrestler is sent into
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the post by another one. Okay, I hope priest all right French version
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of the yes chant. Ye all probably understood it, but just in case,
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oh yeah that we we we Oh yeah, there's the aj Styles one.
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He is truly, he is truly, he is truly phenomenal. Man.
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That is just weird. But that's just spontaneously. Just like that during
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the was some backlash group chat happening in France where everybody was like, all
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right, we're gonna do this, we gonna do that, like branted.
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That type of spontaneity is probably embedded in their culture. Is probably something that
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is just you know, how they get down and with probably any sporting event
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of that nature, but they're actively engaged in what's happening. They're not just
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sitting there passively just like oh god, it's the women wrestling, I don't
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care, or this isn't the main event star I'm not interested, or these
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are just nobodies. I don't care like how American audiences are. If you
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ain't the big name or one of the faces, American audiences tend to be
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very laza fair about the match or just disconnected unless you're one of the top
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top faces or something that they really care about, like American again, Americans
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need to step they fucking game up, period. I ain't saying you gotta
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be France every freaking week, but be engaged in what's happening in the ring,
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be engaged in the action. I mean, I can go to freaking
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small indie shows where people are performing at a bar and in front of fifty
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people at best, but done fifty motherfuckers is engaged. They are actively engaged.
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They are interacting with what's happening in the ring and reacting to it and
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excited and appreciative of what they're watching. And that makes such a difference in
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a show is having an active, engaged audience. That's why we sung the
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praises of this Backlash despite having a mediocre card with predictable outcomes. It's why
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Backlash last year was so damn good. It's why Clash at the Castle last
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year was so good. It's why I'm looking forward to this upcoming Clash of
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the Castle, even though I'm not expecting anything to you know, major changing
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staff at that show, but I know that damn crowded to be live as
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fuck. Yeah, that makes such a difference in the show. Some of
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the most memorable episodes of raws backdown you can think of had live ass crowds.
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But then you get some of the ones in between where the crowd is
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just man and it drags down a show. Yeah, Like the Raw after
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Mania was known for being rowdy or being very interactive and at times being hijacked
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by the audience, and it's kind of fell off. I'm not sure,
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like if the international people aren't making the trip anymore, but I remember like
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there was like that whole stretch where it was like maybe three or four Manias
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in a row, where it was just like a very lively, uh raw
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after Mania crowd. Yeah. Well, I mean, first off, I
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tried my best, Okay, Carlos, I had lost my voice. I
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tried my fucking best. I tried my best to the point where they muted
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it every like five seconds. That's how That's how much Curson we tried but
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you know what, I think it's just the way they've been booking it.
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Were expecting these big returns of a bunch of wrestlers and nothing happens. I
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don't know if it's because of the the period where they let go a bunch
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of wrestlers, you know, the cut, They make the cut after WrestleMania,
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then there's the draft, and then there's a pay per view. Sometimes
31:38
they follow all together. So it's probably also why we haven't gotten like a
31:47
new Raw entrance theme song or opening video package. Same thing with SmackDown.
31:52
This is Superstar Shakeup. So I do think that's what hurt this year.
31:59
Yeah, fact that there wasn't any rumors or any speculation about any major return
32:02
or debut or anything. I do think that hurt this year's Raw. After
32:07
WrestleMania, so it's like, oh, the White Six are coming, but
32:10
you're gonna have to wait for like six months of QR codes and all these
32:16
rumors. Sure, sure, why not? Uh? Drey, do you
32:22
want to just keep us going into this backlash here? Yeah? Yeah,
32:29
let's just dive on into these matches, which, again, like I said,
32:35
spoiler alert, they all pretty much ended the way we predicted in our
32:39
preview show. You know, there weren't any major surprises or anything of that
32:44
nature. But kicking off the first match, we had Bloodline featuring Solo Sekoa,
32:52
Sekoia Wow, Solo Soca and Tomatonga taking on Kevin Owens and Randy Yorton,
32:58
and what was started as a regular match and was just a started off
33:06
with the four of them just absolutely brawling with each other and going toe to
33:09
toe before the bell even rung, causing Nick Alldos to come out and say,
33:14
I fuck it, y'all can't control it. It's a street fight,
33:16
which was a nice twist to it that was definitely set the tone for the
33:22
rest of the show, or set the tone for the crowd, especially an
33:27
All admit I was watching it and I was like, I'm seeing the referee
33:30
trying to gain control of things, and I'm just like, why are you
33:34
trying to gain control of a match that's about to happen. To ring the
33:37
fucking bell and let him go. Yeah, But then obviously there was a
33:40
reason behind it. This was to have Nick Allers come out and say,
33:45
Hey, this is going to be a street fight, which you know,
33:47
we're great for the crowd there in France because they absolutely popped huge when he
33:52
announced it was gonna be a street fight. But match yourself was it lived
33:59
up to him him, it lived up to the street fight that he turned
34:07
it into. I think had this been a regular just one v one or
34:09
two tag team match with under normal rules, it probably wouldn't have been as
34:14
good the fact that it was. They turned it into a street fight and
34:16
just let these four guys just absolutely brawl it brawl it out. I do
34:22
think that helped elevate the match and make it better than what it was projected
34:27
to be. So that that was I would give them credit. That was
34:30
a smart move on their part. It just give me turned it in this
34:32
into a street fight, so that was great finish. This is probably the
34:39
one thing that we didn't call. We figured it was gonna be we're gonna
34:44
see some outside interference in this match and some sort We all thought it was
34:47
gonna be Jacob fa too, when in fact it turned out to be what's
34:53
a dude named Tonga Tonga Loa who is the brother of Tama Tonga coming out
35:01
and pulling the referee out, dropping him, going in there, whoop it
35:07
up on everybody allowing blood Line to pick up the win. And again I
35:12
give them credit because that caught seemingly the French crowd didn't react to it,
35:19
but it was still a good surprise because I don't think anybody saw him coming.
35:23
Again. We all thought we were getting Jacob Pottou because that's what all
35:28
the speculation would have been, That's what all the rumors had been was,
35:30
you know, Jacob Fatu's coming. Jacob Fatu's coming. I think WW even
35:35
acknowledged they signed him, and I wonder if I wonder if they did that
35:39
just to throw everybody off of the of the Tongaala trail, because he can
35:46
be because I don't think anybody saw him coming. I don't think there was
35:50
any news of him signing with WW or anything. So him showing up,
35:55
yeah, they caught everybody by surprise, really result in a big, you
36:00
know, reaction from the crowd because I think the crowd, like us,
36:04
were expecting again Jacob fat too. But it's a nice way of keeping of
36:10
keeping things secret. Is a nice way of them to keep everybody guessing.
36:16
Just when we think we have all the answers, you know, they go,
36:22
they go in a different direction. Or just throw us off the trail.
36:24
Smart on their part and again good overall match. It was actually a
36:28
great match to kick off the show. What were your thoughts on it,
36:30
Wayne Boy, You're right man, what a great way to kick off back
36:37
last year. The crowds are already super pumped and like having Kevin Owens come
36:43
out. They let his music runt a little bit longer than normal. Uh
36:46
the crowd it is because the crowd was just eating it up and I have
36:51
I'm gonna play. I picked a handful of audio clips out. I'm going
36:55
to play the match at the end of the podcast. I'll just tag him
36:59
at the end. But of the crowd reacting to entrance theme music, and
37:07
throughout the years, music in this industry has been you know, you're able
37:15
to sing along or to do a dance with certain ones, you know,
37:19
certain hand motions or certain beats. I don't know, there's certain lyrics that
37:22
everybody knows. It's just that some of these theme music are just catchy.
37:28
And the one thing that I know from what I heard is Randy Orton sometimes
37:36
doesn't like his music because it doesn't get him amped up. It doesn't get
37:40
his blood pumping like some of these other guys' music, you know, originally
37:47
the music that Sampunk had before he has cold personality. He had a song
37:52
by kill Switch that was originally meant for Randy Orton, and you know,
38:00
they switched it. They didn't think it would fit Orton, but it is
38:04
a song that weren't kind of picked out that he really wanted and Punk ended
38:07
up getting it. Uh, but you know it all, I think it
38:12
all worked out for and in the long run. And now you know he's
38:15
coming out here and the whole crowd is singing his theme song like I was
38:21
like, damn, like I never saw a crowd sing Randy Orton's theme song.
38:24
And he looked like he was like in it. And he's like,
38:27
yeah, you know what, if this is how the crowds are gonna be
38:30
there, gonna sing to my theme song like I can dig it. So
38:34
hopefully he keeps the music, he doesn't decide to change his mind, dude,
38:39
Like I right off the bat, like the bell didn't even ring.
38:44
I don't understand why the raff was trying to break him up. And then
38:46
even when the you know what, just just so you can get your bell,
38:51
you're wrong. He should just rang the bell immediately, I because these
38:57
guys were throwing fists right away. And you know, this is a big
39:01
match for Solo because he needed to fucking win so bad. If this man
39:07
is supposed to look strong, he looks like he's supposed to be the tribal
39:12
chief of this of this bloodline of two point zero. This man's got looks
39:15
strong, and he looked pretty damn strong in this match. And what a
39:22
rub for Tonga. You know, this guy debut on SmackDown or what was
39:29
it, not too long ago and now he's, uh, he's opening a
39:35
pay per view. I mean, just skip the line, go right to
39:38
the top. Like this man didn't have to go through the NXT run,
39:44
He didn't have to go through that cycle. This man went right to PLG
39:47
status, uh, right inserted into the storyline. And and I kind of
39:53
wonder, like down the road, if if there's gonna be any form of
39:59
jealousy of some of these bud line guys, is skipping the line of a
40:05
lot of these hard working NXT people you know, who are busting and asked
40:08
to try to get drafted to the main roster. And I don't see why
40:14
that would be the case, because it's not like he's a rookie or he's
40:19
young. Tonga has been in the business for over ten years. Yeah,
40:24
he's just now here in ww WE being brought in as a prominent thing.
40:30
But he's not like some young up and coming guy who's new to the business
40:34
and still learning. He's an experience. He's an experienced, veteran wrestler,
40:37
So there's no reason for him to have to come to ww and oh,
40:43
you got to work your way up from NXT. Yeah, there's way up
40:46
on the independent scene and other promotions. He's a multi time as they acknowledged
40:52
on the show IWGP Tag Team Champion. They acknowledge that on the show,
40:58
which you know, props to Michael Cole for and ww for acknowledging things outside
41:04
of WWE and the compisonments from these guys, you know, and what I
41:08
also mentioned him being a member of the Bullet Club. Yeah, they they're
41:15
establishing his credentials as they're talking about the match, like he's not. They're
41:21
making it known that this ain't some new person who came in here. This
41:23
ain't some guy who just popped up out the blue, out of nowhere,
41:28
Like this is a bona fide, experienced veteran wrestler who has credentials. There's
41:34
a reason why he's in here banging with, you know, with Randy Orton
41:37
and Kevin Owens say. The reason for n XT people to be jealous of
41:43
him because he's their senior. Y'all still learning, y'all are still new,
41:49
y'all still some of y'all are still green. He ain't ain't no reason for
41:53
him to be down there with y'all. The I like six and this man
42:00
that's the trash cans. They they got everything out. Man, they got
42:02
the tables that dude. The the use of the steel chairs with the suplexes
42:12
and whatnot made me cringe because at my back, I was saying, oh
42:17
God, like like oh Winds and Tonga going through that. There was those
42:23
steel chairs that they had set up. Yeah, it's just it's brutal and
42:30
totally didn't it was just another Bloodline member. But I totally not see this
42:36
guy coming. Tanga Loa is his name, Tonga Lowa. Yeah, dude,
42:43
big guy, big dude. Let me see here. He's he's forty
42:46
one, he's six foot two pounds, so pretty big guy. So I'm
42:55
in sidebar. Not his first running the WWE. Yeah yeah yeah w W
43:04
in the previous run. His previous run is apparently he was Mexican. Last
43:07
time he was in w W during the era when I was not watching,
43:12
but he was teamed up with uh no yeah, and he was Camacho what
43:22
no way I'm looking at now no ship. It was also in n XT
43:28
too, yeah ship. Okay, So like this is I'm very excited for
43:35
this storyline. I mean it's getting it's getting sweeter and sweeter. Uh you
43:42
know, now now we know that there's Jacob is coming right as it's all
43:47
who's left and then then we you know, Romans gotta form his own form
43:54
the old bud line back together, gotta get the whoso's back together, got
44:00
get Sammy Zane back. No the fuck they don't. You don't want Sammy
44:05
Zay inserted in this. You want the Rock. Ain't no reason for him
44:08
to be, and that he doesn't need to be. I mean, I'm
44:12
not gonna rule out that the fourth Man could end up getting him in just
44:15
for a one time, for one time thing if it happens to be like
44:20
a four on four and they're like, oh, we need a fourth guy
44:22
and Sammy pops up and like, I know we had our problems in the
44:25
past, but I'll put it aside for blah blah blah blah whatever, and
44:30
it'll be a huge pop for the audience because yeah, they're like, yeah,
44:34
he Sammy back with the Black Line. I'm good on all of that
44:39
shit. I would rather it be three on four. I'd rather Roman and
44:45
the USOS being a be at a disadvantage, the three of them against the
44:50
four one at the three OG's take on the four quote unquote young Lions coming
44:54
after them. You got somebody the caliber of Roman Reigns. We ain't talking
44:59
about out just any old champion. We're talking the fourth longest reigning WW champion
45:04
of all time. This is Roman motherfucking Reigns. He can be, he
45:09
can be in a disadvantage. He's two people by himself. Pair him with
45:14
the USOS longest reigning tag team champions. You're telling me the three of them,
45:20
of their caliber, of their credentials, can't take on the four Young
45:24
Lions and the or blood Line two point oh trying to take them take that
45:29
spot. They absolutely can, They absolutely can. They don't need Sammy's ain't
45:35
ass up in there at all. Let him stay his ass over all raw
45:38
defending his Intercontinental title that he stole from Chad Gable doing this thing over there.
45:45
Now, I'm good on Sami same being being brought back into the storyline,
45:51
even if it is for a one time match. I know it would
45:53
be huge for the audience. I'm good. I'll pass. Oh yeah,
46:01
that's all I really got to say about that, Matt. So, I
46:04
mean, like, I don't get this guy on the fucking rantide get them
46:09
all fired up. But yeah, dude, good rub for these guys.
46:17
So I think the loss doesn't hurt or in their kao at all. So
46:27
just further's the story. That's a hell of a team for them to beat.
46:30
So yeah, yeah, absolutely they needed this when to establish themselves as
46:38
being a credible because even though it's the Bloodline and they carry the name of
46:44
the blood line and Soul has been in there for a while, this iteration
46:47
that we're seeing now is still new, so for them to be taken seriously
46:52
and not just be immediately dismissed us. Okay, y'all bloodline, but y'all
46:57
ain't really blood lined. They gotta win, and for them to get a
47:00
win over wrestles the caliber of Randy Orton and Kevin Owens. Yeah, and
47:06
then bringing in tongolore at to bat Yeah. That immediately establishes them as credible
47:13
and has something to be reckoned with, and that the Saint the Saint Wish
47:16
dot com bloodline, this is still bloodline. Whooping ass and taking names,
47:22
Carlos, where you at on this match? This match. I love that
47:28
they did it a street fight because if there's any type of RUSS that Tomatanga
47:32
might have, this is a great way to cover it up because it's a
47:37
street fight, so you can be hit with anything. You know, you
47:42
don't have to really hit any moves. They don't have to be clean,
47:45
quote unquote not everything has to be perfect. So I do have like a
47:51
couple issues with this match. One issue being is why did Solo try to
48:00
Samone and Spike Orton through the table, Like how much more damage is that
48:04
going to do? Thank you? Thank you? That spot made no sense
48:09
at all. And then my second thing is I don't know if you guys
48:13
caught this, but Tama was late. Tama loa tangaloa, he was late,
48:22
and I'm not sure if he couldn't hear or what was going on,
48:24
because you know, the crowd's pretty loud and he misses Q, but the
48:28
ref actually pulls himself out. There's camera angles like from people's cell phones,
48:35
and you see like the ref is counting and he kind of like turns and
48:37
slips his way out, and then Toga actually grabs him and completes the pull
48:43
off. So whatever angle they use was the right angle, and so you
48:47
don't notice it if you're watching the peacock stream. But if you go through
48:52
like dreads, you know, Facebook, dreads, whatever you want to call
48:59
it, whatever it's called, or acts, if you're still using that,
49:02
you see all the different angles from the crowd, and you see that the
49:05
ref actually knows that he's not supposed to count to three, which get I
49:08
give him props because you know there's times where like the refs would just to
49:14
keep counting. Like I've been like reading Baking Lynch's book and there's one time
49:19
when she's talking to the NXT where she was supposed to kick out and the
49:23
ref just counted three and she's like, oh shit, I miss my mark.
49:27
I was supposed to kick out, and she ruined that whole finish,
49:30
so you know, this will probably get the ref to be trusted to you
49:36
know, keep storylines and keep and keep everything going in the match and make
49:39
sure that it follows what it's supposed to follow, which I'm sure that we've
49:45
brought it up a couple of times that there's some of these matches where it
49:49
seems like the refs are just there and they're not actually helping like they're supposed
49:52
to at times. But I like it. I like that this Bloodline,
49:59
like the match itself, it didn't do anything in particular to like it's not
50:07
like a Meltzer where it was like seven Stars. It's not a you know,
50:12
banger after banger type of match. It was just like an ABC match
50:19
to give the blood Line a bigger notch, which I did mention in WrestleMania
50:23
that Logan Paul would win because he also needs the boost for this and beating
50:29
Owen and Randy would give him that boost. So they use these two guys
50:35
to elevate and make the blood Line, the new blood Line whatever you want
50:37
to call it, more credible threat. And there's one guy that you also
50:45
forgot to miss mentioned besides Jacob Fatu, and this is where it might get
50:49
a little bit crazy. This Hikalo Hikalo is the adoptive son of Haku,
51:00
so he's the adopted brother of Tamatanga and and Tangaloa. So the third one
51:06
yeah, so left right, huh, Well this one was from I think
51:14
his wife's brother or his wife's sister had passed away. M hm, so
51:19
they just adopted him, right. So and then so his contract is almost
51:24
up in New Japan, and he's like, he's like seven feet tall.
51:30
So this is the way this is looking to me, is like a mirror
51:35
image. Roman Reigns was the cousin of the ussos, right, and he
51:39
had three usos technically around him. Jimmy Jay Solo technically is an USO.
51:46
I mean though his name is Sakoa. So Solo now might have three uh
51:53
tongas, Tangaloa, Toanga, Tamatanga, and now he might have hit Leo.
52:00
Whatever name he decides to choose, might keep that whole tonga tongue whatever
52:05
thing going. And when Roman comes back, maybe they'll bring in Jacob Fatu.
52:10
So it still keeps like that mirror image where he has another Fatu in
52:16
his corner, even though it's I think he's, uh, the Rosies or
52:24
somebody. I forget whose son it is, but it's around you know,
52:29
Rookishi's brother a son. But that's how that goes. So you're saying we
52:32
won't get the fat versus the tongas, Yeah, I think, and that's
52:37
what it's gonna probably be. And I think at one time I had heard
52:42
that what's the familyous three bird guy? I keep forgetting his name. Now,
52:47
Michael, Michael Hayes is the one that's kind of like outlined this out
52:52
in the blueprint, and I believe he said that the Grandfather his inspiration,
52:58
and you could probably see it here, like Godfather is like a safety movie.
53:02
To me, I can watch it for as many times, even Godfather
53:07
three. Many people might disagree with me with that one, but that one's
53:09
still a solid movie. But the thing is is that Roman, you can
53:17
say, is like the Vito Corleon, you know, and Vito had three
53:22
kids. They had Sonny the hotthead which we're seeing kind of those type of
53:29
characteristicual solo. They have Jimmy, and then you have Ja that could probably
53:35
be one could be the Fraido and Jay is probably you can say the Michael
53:42
because you can do no wrong. Right now, he's on fire, the
53:45
whole entrance that he got and everything like that, with that reception that he
53:51
got in France, you know, we probably are gonna say that they should
53:57
probably put a belt on him soon. But I don't know if it's actually
54:00
gonna be something that burns out eventually. But you never know, because you
54:08
know, there's other times where movements started small, like the Yes movement and
54:14
the KOFE movement and things like that. So he needs to be able.
54:17
We need to be able to see maybe we get to get like a US
54:22
title or ICY title on him and see how it goes. But it's gonna
54:28
be interesting, That's how I see it going, and that you know eventually.
54:31
I don't know how much time Roman thinks he has more because I think
54:36
he stopped battling his leukemia bouts here and there. So maybe that's when Jay
54:43
will lead this new iteration and maybe we will get If I'm wrong, maybe
54:47
I Fatu does side with the solo sicos type. Maybe that's when we do
54:52
get Sami Zame coming in, because you know the other team is stacked.
54:55
That would have Tama both the tamatan as TAngelo as Hikoleo and Jacob Patu.
55:01
He's a like five people. So but that's how I could possibly go,
55:06
and that's how I see it. But it's good story building so far.
55:09
To me, that's just in caveat. With the other Tonga family member,
55:15
the one that's still in New Japan, it'd be it'd be interesting to see
55:21
if he was brought in afterwards. My only concern with that would be it's
55:25
not too often that we see large factions really be successful. Usually when it
55:34
comes to factions, your limit for having members, well, I won't see
55:37
your limit, but your sweet spot is three to four people. Yeah.
55:40
Anything beyond that you start to it's typically been shown that you struggle with booking
55:47
everybody equally. You know, somebody ends up falling by the wayside once you
55:52
get too many people. And I don't think anybody wants to see the bloodline
55:57
go the nWo route where they just I to everybody and everybody was to drop
56:01
us some own blood. Get on in here. Excuse me, we get
56:07
thing to come back and choose the side will get sting to come back and
56:12
you'll have to choose a side, right like we don't. We don't want.
56:17
We don't want that happening where you know, too many people are in
56:22
it because eventually, like I said, you can't book everybody strong, somebody's
56:27
gonna be an odd person out, somebody's gonna end up being the XPOC,
56:32
you know. So or because he never had a title once he came up
56:37
to the main roster. He didn't have a title, but he had a
56:40
role were like a hot second. He did have that for a hot second,
56:45
but yeah, he still had a role. He was still prominently featured
56:49
even if he wasn't a champion. You know, he wasn't the guy that
56:52
was by the way, he was the enforcer. That was his role.
56:54
He didn't need a title for that role. So I mean he worked out.
57:01
You know, if they if they go on a title run with the
57:06
blood Line, where the blood Line ends up snatching up some belts, you
57:08
can see you know, Tomatonga and Tonga Loa becoming tag team champions at some
57:14
point, and maybe uh Solo becomes the US champion at some point, maybe
57:20
even challenges for the world title at some point, maybe he tight takes UH.
57:25
I don't see it happening anytime in the next year, but I can
57:29
see him at some point challenging for the WWE title. Potentially, should Jacob
57:34
Fatu come in, maybe Jack Jacob Fau becomes your mid card guy while Solo
57:38
moves up to the main event ranks. You know, that puts everybody in
57:43
the everybody slots in. You get a fifth guy in there, especially even
57:47
a large guy. You say, he's like, what almost seven feet tall?
57:51
Yeah, he's built like a seven foot one. Again, WW has
57:55
struggled with big, big guys period, struggle in wrestling business to be seen
58:00
as anything other than just a big guy, other than just a big guy
58:05
to come in there and just wail on people. They struggle with that.
58:10
Again, I don't know where if we're fit it. It'd be an interesting
58:14
caveyat Obviously if he were brought in, it would definitely be another thing for
58:19
any of their opposition to that would have to contend with. But I don't
58:24
know where he would fit in outside of being just another big guy and an
58:29
enforcer. Like, oh, they're getting bloodlines, starting to lose, They're
58:34
getting the upper hand from the back. Good guys are getting the upper hand
58:37
all right. Here comes with the big seven cook guy, Clobber Clobber Okay,
58:40
they win, what else does the big guy do? That's that's my
58:45
only concern with with someone like that being brought in. But it could it
58:50
could be different. You know, we're also in different times. You know,
58:52
this is the Triple h era, So maybe he has maybe he knows
58:57
something that people in the past didn't know. Maybe he's figured out a way
59:00
to do something effective with guys of that type that nobody else can figure out
59:06
in the past. So there's always that possibility. We can't rely too much
59:09
on, you know, what history has shown. It's given that we are
59:13
definitely in a new era in WWE, but it'll be interesting to see where
59:17
they go from here, just as long as Damy's Ain't stays the fuck out
59:22
of it. Moving on to our next match, we saw Bailey defending the
59:30
ww Women's Championship against Naomi and Tiffany Stratton in a triple threat match. Again,
59:37
another good match, and another match where the crowd was absolutely live for
59:42
it. Unlike our sorry American assets, who seem to be real mediocre on
59:46
women's matches, France was lit like Naomi got probably one of the biggest pops
59:52
she's gotten since she came back at the rumble huge pop. That's actually another
59:58
one of the clips I recorded. She was I don't know if when she
1:00:02
was doing her tena run, if they did any time over in France that
1:00:08
you know that she's quite popular over there. But yeah, I would definitely
1:00:14
say she was the fan favorite of that match. Yeah, she she got
1:00:17
a huge pop. I mean short second only the Bailey who obtously got her
1:00:21
huge pop as well. Tivioty Stratton got a She got a respectable reaction from
1:00:28
the audience, Like they didn't pop huge for her, but she didn't.
1:00:32
They weren't dead for either. Like I said, she got an appreciative pop
1:00:37
from all of got good interests. But yeah, Naomi's definitely stood out as
1:00:42
far as the pop that she got, which was again I appreciated that.
1:00:45
The match herself was a good match. Again, it was another good match.
1:00:51
Everybody had their moments to shine. Everybody looked strong. Bailey came out
1:00:57
with the wind and secured the win in a let's say, somewhat a typical
1:01:05
way, because she didn't it wasn't the typical you know ah, you know,
1:01:10
uh, champion hits their finisher gets the three. She got it with
1:01:15
a counter roll up to uh nail me, and that's how she wound up
1:01:22
scoring, and I was like, oh, okay, it was nice to
1:01:25
see them, you know, not just slightly break the mold a little bit
1:01:30
in terms of wrestling finishes, not just going to typical traditional route of you
1:01:35
know again superstar hits finisher went two three, putting a little bit more technical
1:01:42
wrestling per se in the in the finished itself, but again, all the
1:01:45
women looked good. Everybody had moments to shine. Everybody looked strong. Nobody
1:01:51
came out of this match looking weak or looking like they got squashed or anything
1:01:54
of that nature. Everybody was, uh showcase adequately. And Bailey has our
1:02:01
first title defense, which we know when typical wrestling talk legitimizes quote unquote her
1:02:08
title reign, that she's had that first successful title defense. Where she goes
1:02:13
from here, we'll see. But for this match itself, again, really
1:02:17
really good match. My favorite spot in the match was right towards the end,
1:02:24
where after Stratton went for the prettiest moonsalt, she turned around and caught
1:02:30
a nice old three D from Bailey and Naomi. That was my favorite spot
1:02:36
of the match. Carlos, what were your thoughts on this match. I
1:02:42
thought this match pretty much went how we would go. You know, did
1:02:46
listen to the previews that you guys did before, but this, I don't
1:02:52
think you needed a triple threat match for this to like a established Bailey's.
1:03:00
Like, Bailey's already an established champion. She's had the NXT title, She's
1:03:07
had, you know, the SmackDown title. I don't know if she's had
1:03:10
the Raw one, but you know she's had the text. Yeah, go
1:03:17
ahead, that's gonna be wrong. I wasn't saying that she needed to be
1:03:21
established as a champion obviously. You know, Bailey's credentials speak for herself.
1:03:23
I just mean established. I'm just like pointing that out that you know,
1:03:28
like that. Yeah, It's like, I don't think she needed this triple
1:03:32
threat match, you know, like the Naomi's had like several chances already building
1:03:38
up here, and I think it was just more like, hey, you've
1:03:42
done this a solid not only making Tiffany look good, but also like helping
1:03:47
with Bailey. So we're just gonna put you in here just to give you
1:03:51
like a little bit of a you know, like thank you put you in
1:03:54
here, and probably give her like a bigger check, you know, because
1:03:58
it's a peely So that's the only thing I'm thinking of. Like Naomi's she's
1:04:03
been used, okay, but knowing how she's done, like in TNA and
1:04:10
where she was before when before she left the company unceremoniously, you know,
1:04:16
she should be having a title run, you know, and I know you
1:04:23
guys have brought it up that we should get a mid card one like the
1:04:28
Intercontinental and the US title, but the women's version of it if these tag
1:04:31
titles don't work out, So you know, if if that's if that's something
1:04:35
that does happen. I hope it's not because the tag team the tag team
1:04:40
titles don't pan out, but I hope it's just like in addition too,
1:04:44
because these ladies, these women are getting better. As you know, they're
1:04:50
wrestling against each other. Some of them are are leaving, and you know,
1:04:56
they're like they're kind of going like how people have been doing now that
1:05:00
they're leading the e you know, like Zach Ryder, Matt Cardona has been
1:05:04
doing where he's just he seems happy with just writing the indies and just building
1:05:09
his character from there and just like honing his craft more. Cody had to
1:05:15
do that. He had to, you know, he left because he was
1:05:18
stuck with that start, that Stardus gimmick with, you know, which was
1:05:26
like probably like maybe like the straw that broke the camel's back. But you
1:05:31
know, he got better and he found his American nightmare, which I have
1:05:35
issues with, but that I'm digressing. We'll get to that when when we
1:05:39
get there. But this was a safe you know by the numbers thing.
1:05:46
You know, I think if I timed it right, there was like maybe
1:05:53
fourteen minute match and like there was like maybe three or four minutes where Naomi
1:05:57
wasn't even anywhere near that match. So this is pretty much to highlight Tiffany
1:06:01
and Bailey, and Naomi was the one like if you had gotten to me
1:06:09
and asked me how this match was going to be, I'm like, Bailey's
1:06:12
gonna win, but Naomi's gonna take the fall because Naomi can take the hit,
1:06:16
you know. You know, she's her entrance is over and people still
1:06:23
like her, you know, so it's kind of like the established you know,
1:06:27
you have so much I'm not sure what the word is I'm looking for,
1:06:33
but she's built up all this rapport and you know, built up all
1:06:38
these like character points, you know, where it's like, I guess you
1:06:43
can be like a morale type of thing where her it'll slip a little bit,
1:06:47
but the crowd is still gonna be cheering for Naomi no matter what,
1:06:49
especially if you get her against a heel like a Tiffany Stratton or like an
1:06:55
Eo or somebody, you know, a higher heel that has more heat,
1:06:58
so she'll be fine. But I sat, I thought this was just to
1:07:01
highlight more Tiffany and put her more as a threat to Bailey. But yeah,
1:07:06
this was a solid match as far as that's how I'm seeing it,
1:07:10
And it went exactly how I thought, And you guys thought it would sad,
1:07:16
Yeah, yeah, you're and you're right about that. Naomi was the
1:07:19
one the right one to take the fall because she's established as a veteran,
1:07:26
so win or lose, you know, a loss doesn't affect her standing either
1:07:30
way. And also she's not really even though she's in this thing briefly challenging
1:07:38
Bailey for the title, I hate to say, nobody really sees her as
1:07:43
an actual threat to Bailey's championship reign. Because Naomi, while she's an established
1:07:47
veteran, she doesn't have those championship credentials in ww I make that specific,
1:07:56
she doesn't have those championship credentials in WWE to be seen as a legitimate challenger
1:08:01
to Bailey. Not at this point in time, storyline hasn't been built up.
1:08:05
She doesn't have the championship credentials again in the E because we know she
1:08:10
was TNA Knockouts champion for a good while when she left. She had a
1:08:15
good, strong run there. So she's an established champion, no question,
1:08:19
just not as much so within the WWE universe. So I don't know that
1:08:26
WWE fans see her that way as of yet. Obviously of us who watch
1:08:30
more than just the E product and are aware more than just the E product
1:08:34
know what she has and know what her credibility is, and I think some
1:08:39
of that contributes to some of the fan appreciation that she has. But again
1:08:45
coming also coming right out of wrestlemedia, we know damn well they they didn't
1:08:48
put this thing on Bailly just immediately snatch it off of her, which is
1:08:54
what hurt this pl from to a certain extent. Like I said before,
1:09:00
all these match outcomes were predictable as hell, Not a single one of them
1:09:03
surprised us because it's right after WrestleMania, we're starting new storylines. This is
1:09:10
just this was a show. Excuse me. This was a show for France.
1:09:15
This was a show because we needed something at the end of the month
1:09:18
and we needed an international show for the French audience. Put it off for
1:09:23
them, have a plae. That was it. That being said again,
1:09:29
you're right again Carlos about the need for mid card titles, and this match
1:09:34
is a perfect is another reason why we need mid card women's titles on the
1:09:39
main rosters. I've been saying for well over a year now. Because you
1:09:43
got both these women coming out of this match, Nailmi and Tiffany. Now
1:09:47
what you could make an argument for Tiffany to maybe continue trying to pursue Bailey
1:09:53
for the ww Women's Championship. But if not, then where the hell does
1:09:59
Tiffany go from here? Just back into the mix with everybody else fighting for
1:10:02
nothing until one of them rises up to challenge Bailey. That's still the continued
1:10:08
ongoing problem within the women's division. All these women, all this talent,
1:10:15
all this ability, and they ain't got ship to do. Yeah, and
1:10:20
they don't have like I think enough heels in that in that division right now,
1:10:28
they have Tiffany and they have damage control, but two thirds of damage
1:10:34
control needs to go to Kay to translate them. Oh and Naya Jack's I
1:10:40
guess you can have heard start. Yeah, there's a couple of heels out
1:10:47
there, but not Jo. We're kind of in between, like they're I
1:10:53
guess technically their heels, but they don't have a whole lot of heat with
1:10:58
them. I think they could just easily. They're they're in the gray to
1:11:01
me. Shane and Zoe, Yeah, because if you put them up against
1:11:05
people who are more hated than them, then they become faces. But if
1:11:10
they're just in a match with just any old body, they're probably being booked
1:11:13
as heels. But they're not really strong on either side. They could go
1:11:16
either way. So that contributes to Carlos's argument that, yeah, there aren't
1:11:20
many strong heels. Mhm. Is it technically lift Morgan and heel right now?
1:11:31
Technically yes, she's a heel just by proxy of what she did to
1:11:39
Rhea, But yeah, like what she did to Rea, she's biproxy a
1:11:44
heel now. But nothing's really changed as far as her presentation, Like she's
1:11:49
still on this Live Morgan revenge tour, which was a babyface thing until Ria
1:11:55
got injured, and then it kind of turned into a heel thing and they're
1:11:58
pivoting that way, and I will eat crow here because I thought she was
1:12:02
going to get nuclear heat as being blamed as being the one blamed for re
1:12:08
injuring Real Ripley. I thought that shit was really gonna take her heat to
1:12:12
the next level, and that has not materialized at all yet. The crowd
1:12:17
still seems to be fairly lukewarm on a Live Morgan, even as a heel,
1:12:23
like she gets booed, but it's not a strong, like investment type
1:12:30
of booing. It's just like, Okay, you're the heel. We kind
1:12:32
of don't like you right now, so boom. There's no real it's not
1:12:38
much energy behind it. Not like I was expecting that happened, So yeah,
1:12:42
I was again, I was convinced that the fans were gonna be like
1:12:45
you took Mommy away from us, fuck you, and she was gonna get
1:12:49
that type of heat, and that hasn't come about. So yeah, I
1:12:53
mean, she's technically a heel. Your Nia Jacks, damage Control, Tiffany
1:12:58
Stratton, you could throw Chelsea Green in there. She's a heel as well.
1:13:06
Yeah, and that's one that they should be like, she has like
1:13:11
legit heat, like nobody likes her and the audience, like when she goes
1:13:16
out there when she's like picking on the GMS and they're just have her stuck
1:13:20
with Piper and Evan and like, here you go, we're just gonna have
1:13:25
you be a tag team. Still, even though like Chelsea on her own
1:13:30
she can get anything going. She didn't catch the heat and just cut a
1:13:33
promo and right away people are bolling her no matter what she says after.
1:13:39
Oh yeah, Chelsea Green is she's an unsung gem on ww's roster, and
1:13:45
I think she is. You're right, she's being underutilized. Apparently she just
1:13:48
was on NXT this past weekend. Apparently had a very strong match this past
1:13:54
week. Like I've never seen people on it and there talking about Chelsea Green
1:13:58
saying, Yo, Chelsea Green had a great match until this week, and
1:14:01
I'm like, Okay, I need to go check that out and see what
1:14:04
happens. To see what happened now is match Win, which I haven't had
1:14:06
a chance to watch yet, but I will watch it because again, that's
1:14:10
not something you typically hear from the IWC. Is Chelsea Green had a great
1:14:15
match, so if that pops up, Yeah, that's something that's definitely worth
1:14:20
checking out. And yeah, her character, she's got one of these strongest,
1:14:25
most well defined characters on the roster and they're not doing anything with it,
1:14:32
which is a shame. So again for the thousands of time, I
1:14:38
say we need some mid card titles for the women's division. Wait this match,
1:14:53
Yeah, there are middle of the run match for me. I mean
1:14:56
it's a triple threat I like triple threat matches. But everybody got their time
1:15:00
to shine, Like Naomi was super over during this fucking match. Tiffany Stratton
1:15:08
got great crowd reaction with Tiffy time, and she had a couple of great
1:15:13
spots. Naomi had a great spot, but she did like a next suplex
1:15:17
off the barricade and I was like, Oh, I was like, that's
1:15:21
gonna be on your bump list right there. Naomi like doing a full flip
1:15:26
on that outside that ring. Ah No, there's a couple of spots I
1:15:30
enjoyed, uh, you know, all the quick roll ups and stuff.
1:15:36
It was a safe way, I guess to also protect Naomi being a roll
1:15:44
up after roll up after roll up, you know, all these reversals,
1:15:48
and and you know, they protected Tiffany Stratton by not pinning her at all,
1:15:53
and I honestly that's why I thought was going to be pinned. But
1:15:58
yeah, I mean, I guess they are like that just shows that they
1:16:00
are protecting her if they're not letting her eat that pin. But you guys
1:16:04
are right, though Naomi can take it. I'm not going to hurt her
1:16:08
rap at all. I have no idea where Bailey goes from here. I'm
1:16:14
kinda I don't know the direction now that she's separated from Damage Control and she's
1:16:19
moving on. But I guess this is all part of the plan though,
1:16:21
of this is what we wanted to see. We wanted to see new feuds,
1:16:25
so it's just a matter of taking time. So now that backlash is
1:16:30
over, either refocus on one of these wrestlers, Naomi or Tiffany shrind or
1:16:35
we move on to somebody else in neore feud. But I'm interested to see
1:16:43
where Bailey goes. And yeah, I don't know about Naomi, like we
1:16:47
discussed it before, now that she's not you know, I just think there
1:16:53
was maybe just a one off her not having a you know, not being
1:16:59
with Jade and Bianca. I still think she's maybe part still part of the
1:17:04
group. You know, there's still the three of them. I just think
1:17:08
she just had her own thing going on tonight, just like the other two
1:17:11
did. They're all still in the same roster, so that's promising, you
1:17:15
know. Uh, I agree, I think, yeah, hopefully she does
1:17:21
stay with remain But those other two as the trio, yeah, because I
1:17:26
mean there was literally no reason to not have them together, you know what
1:17:31
I mean. There was no like tension or anything. They just seemed like
1:17:36
to totally get along. Their matches were fucking good together. So I see
1:17:42
them back together again soon. Just let's just let this backlash wrap up.
1:17:48
But yeah, they got what thirteen minutes, ten seconds. That's that's pretty
1:17:51
decent after having to follow up that tag match so and barely getting out of
1:17:59
there with the role up. So I can't do every match with a roll
1:18:03
off though, but they did. They did. They did it pretty good.
1:18:06
I enjoyed the friendly, you know service at the end of you know,
1:18:15
all right, you got me, but you know I still still friends.
1:18:18
Yeah, Yes, I appreciated that as well, like every match doesn't
1:18:23
always have to end with an angry, bitter heel storming off mad at his
1:18:29
loss or the person who or the baby face being mad that they lost and
1:18:32
suddenly they now have to turn heel and beat the crap out of the person
1:18:35
that was just their friend twenty minutes ago because they lost them. Chad Gable,
1:18:42
No, you the fuck you ain't? Yeah, could like, you
1:18:47
know, in the pure spirit of sportsmanship, like we went at it,
1:18:53
we went toe to toe afterwards. You're still my homegirl. Hugs, kiss,
1:18:57
congratulations. I enjoyed moment. I did appreciate that as well. And
1:19:03
yeah, I think Nami. The best place for Nailmi after this would be
1:19:06
back with Bianca and Jade. Even though they are kind of they have their
1:19:12
thing at the say, at this point in time, I would still like
1:19:15
to see her, you know, with them supporting them, being a homegirl
1:19:20
having a back, them having her back. And should they bring in the
1:19:26
women's men card titles, I think Naomi would be a pride a prime candidate
1:19:31
for to be the one to win that title, to be the first,
1:19:36
you know, to say that like they do the Women's United States Championship on
1:19:41
SmackDown. I think she'd be a prime candidate to be the first women's US
1:19:45
champion, just to put a credible name on that belt and let her get
1:19:51
a run with it for a little bit, establishing, Uh, put some
1:19:57
credibility on that belt for you know, it becomes before somebody else takes it.
1:20:03
Either her or Tivity Stratton I think would be good candidates for it,
1:20:08
but I would like to see nail me if I had to pick between the
1:20:11
two. But I think that does it for that match. So moving on
1:20:16
to match number three, Damian Priest taking on Jay Usso for the World Heavyweight
1:20:23
Championship, and uh, first things first, Before this match even started,
1:20:31
jay Usso, I think we can all agree, had the entrance of the
1:20:34
night, coming out to that music and all of France eating with him,
1:20:42
all the fans having the lights on the phone, bringing the fireflies back as
1:20:46
well. Took that. Yeah, just that alone took it to the next
1:20:51
level. Even though France was a little bit offbeat, I'll let him slide,
1:20:56
but that alone yet took it to the next level. Just all the
1:21:00
lights and everybody going in on it. That was, at least from my
1:21:03
money, that was the entrance of the night. I think shoot, as
1:21:12
I said in our discord, there's no question about it, JAU. So
1:21:15
he's got the most hype entrance in all of professional wrestling right now. I
1:21:19
don't think. I don't think anybody else comes close. Well, I think
1:21:23
they have to say a longer word to say yeat because this is how you
1:21:26
sayat in French. They say yeat in French. Maybe that's French just making
1:21:38
up French versions of slang words. Yeah, dude, I know. I
1:21:41
just put it on Google and I was like, how do you say heat?
1:21:43
And French? Who don't know what the fuck they talking about. It's
1:21:50
a slight word. It's an expression yea is yea period. Can you just
1:21:55
picture the crowd just with their hands up and down, just goingof okay,
1:22:06
now he's so much better. Eh shit, Yeah, dude, I'm watching
1:22:14
I'm watching it like right now, like I'm watching the lights and stuff,
1:22:17
and dude, that's another one where I have the audio for it. But
1:22:20
the crowd is going nuts, dude. And uh, even to us at
1:22:25
WrestleMania, like maybe it's because of the way we were facing, you know,
1:22:29
we can't see obviously all the lights, but like this new era.
1:22:33
You know, there's less signs, there's more there. There's less flash too
1:22:40
now with with cameras, you know those old days of people like jumping off
1:22:45
the top rope and you see like tons of flash going off. Now so
1:22:48
you've got the flash lights and then you know, this isn't something you would
1:22:51
have seen like ten years ago, ten fifteen years ago at a wrestling event,
1:22:56
And you know, this just naturally evolved, and it's good to see
1:23:02
even after bray White's gone, that something like this can carry on with the
1:23:06
fans. So but carry onre Sorry, Yeah, I was gonna say just
1:23:15
with this match as a whole, it was a good match. It was
1:23:18
a nice, good Championship one on one match. My only gripe with this
1:23:25
match really was not so much the fact that Judgment Day interfered, because I
1:23:30
pretty much we all saw that was going to happen. I just thought the
1:23:34
interference was gonna come in the middle or a least. I'm gonna say what
1:23:38
I thought. I was hoping that the interference would come towards the middle of
1:23:41
the match and that we would still get a fairly clean one v one finish
1:23:46
that was going to establish Damian Priest as champion better than what it did here,
1:23:56
because it was again, this was a really good match, like they
1:24:00
were going back and forth, toe to toe. They were given pretty much
1:24:03
giving each other everything that they got that they had, and even with the
1:24:11
judgment they interfering, they still James was still able to fight them off.
1:24:16
He was still able to be in the match. So he came out looking
1:24:21
great. He came out even though yeah, he has once again lost another
1:24:27
title title match opportunity, he still looked strong in the sense that he fought
1:24:39
off pretty much the entirety of the judgment day up until the very tail end.
1:24:43
But I wanted the interference to happen more towards the middle of the match
1:24:45
and that Damian Price would still be the one to finish Jay off himself as
1:24:56
opposed to what we got, because the way it happened to me, this
1:25:00
the way if I had to put a describe dismatch and the story of this
1:25:02
match in a sentence, it would basically be that Damian Priest gave Jay everything
1:25:12
that he had and it wasn't enough. Jay gave Damien Priest everything that he
1:25:19
had and it was almost enough to beat him or not for the judgment day,
1:25:26
and because of that, it kind of I'm gonna say significantly, but
1:25:30
it kind of hurts Damian Priest a bit because it looks like he couldn't quite
1:25:36
handle all that Jay had, but Jay could handle everything that Damien Priest had.
1:25:43
I think that's exactly why your opinion right there is exactly why Damian Priest
1:25:48
was pissed that Finn Balor came out. He was pissed that JD came out.
1:25:55
It's because he wants to prove to guys like you that he can fucking
1:25:59
do it on it zone, like. I think that's exactly it. That
1:26:03
just kind of proves a point though, because that, especially for a first
1:26:12
title defense, that makes him look kind of weak, right like it does.
1:26:18
I mean, it makes again I'm not saying that it ruins him as
1:26:23
champion, but it doesn't quite establish him as strongly as this match could,
1:26:30
especially given everything that happened in this match up until the end. And this
1:26:33
was a I'm just gonna say this was You could argue that this was match
1:26:39
of the night. I'm gonna say it was number two, But yeah,
1:26:44
it was the second best match of the night outside of the spoiler main event
1:26:47
was matched the night for me, but this wasn't too far behind it.
1:26:51
This was a good pay per view PL caliber Championship match. Absolutely without questions.
1:27:00
They were throwing everything at each other. They were going back and forth,
1:27:05
back and forth, one counter to the other, one move after the
1:27:09
other. Jay wasn't Jay was actually giving out more offense than just super kicks
1:27:15
and those splashes like they were. They were duking it out. And even
1:27:21
when, like I said, even when a judgment day came in, I
1:27:25
thought like, Okay, they're gonna come in, Jay gonna wipe them out.
1:27:30
Maybe Damien Pretellston get the fuck out of here, and then we get
1:27:33
a one v one finish with a clean win. And unfortunately that's not what
1:27:39
we got, which kind of takes it. Disappointed me in the finish,
1:27:47
That's all I'll say is it kind of disappointed me. But other than that,
1:27:55
outside of the finish, everything else in the match I thought was great.
1:27:59
What do you think about it? Carlo? Yes, Ah, With
1:28:03
this match, I thought that the match itself was It was kind of like
1:28:11
a little bit of a standard match. Like Damien Priece is technically the heel,
1:28:17
but now he's getting more towards the gray right now, because he's like,
1:28:24
if you're a heel in a group, you're not gonna be like,
1:28:27
you know, like Roman didn't even though he told the USOS and Solo not
1:28:32
to interfere, he didn't get mad at them later on when they actually interfered.
1:28:41
You know, they helped them hold his title, and he celebrated with
1:28:45
them, you know, and they held up the ones and that was it,
1:28:47
you know. And Damien has got this thing now where he like we
1:28:53
mentioned here that he's got something to prove, and that's I think more towards
1:28:58
him going back and to be in a face and separating himself away from the
1:29:02
judgment day. So like even though like this like the basics of a heel
1:29:12
versus spaces here, I don't think it was actually like that. But they
1:29:16
had some good you know, obviously the audience popped. They had some good
1:29:24
spots here in the match here where Jay hits us like a super kick and
1:29:32
then he is the splash, and then like they're both wondering, like that's
1:29:40
it, you know, and then like pre sits a South of Heaven out
1:29:45
of nowhere, and then like j kicks out of that and then Jay hits
1:29:49
the spear. There's a lot of good near fall spots in here, you
1:29:53
know, where you think that it should have been in. So the crowd
1:29:58
was super into it, and you know, the YEP movement is one of
1:30:01
those movements that I mentioned earlier that's right up there with the Yes and the
1:30:05
kofee movement. And they got to decide what they're gonna do with it here
1:30:11
because they I think they put themselves in a tricky situation setting up this match,
1:30:19
because it really it kind of it would kind of confuse you where you're
1:30:26
like, well, pre said he didn't want the Judgment Day's help, and
1:30:31
then he looked mad and then I'm Monday night raw. He's like, Okay,
1:30:34
I'm sorry, we're gonna go ahead and squash this. I wasn't thinking,
1:30:40
and you guys are my boys. Eventually it's gonna like I guess they're
1:30:45
gonna go with the long I'm not sure if like it's the next pay per
1:30:50
view or maybe at King of the Ring or maybe had some SummerSlam, But
1:30:58
eventually, judgment thing is in the costume his title, and that's where you
1:31:02
know he separates himself, and I guess he'll go after Judgment Day as a
1:31:08
face and things along those lines. But it was a good entertaining match.
1:31:13
But as far as like progressing any type of character stories on here, I
1:31:17
think it was just like, we're gonna give these guys a good match,
1:31:23
and we're just in a holding pattern and see where you guys go next.
1:31:27
And that's about it. And for me, I like to think in the
1:31:30
long run and I like to see where story's going. But I still can't
1:31:34
enjoy a match. And I know you mentioned that this is your second match
1:31:41
of the night. This was actually my match of the night because of the
1:31:44
way that everything was paid and then go. It didn't seem like it went
1:31:47
too long here, maybe like fourteen to fifteen minutes, I think so.
1:31:56
Yeah, So, I mean that's like the right amount of time that these
1:32:00
guys needed. It allowed them to look good on each en, you know,
1:32:04
getting their finishers in, getting the near falls in, and you know,
1:32:12
having those up and down the peaks in the valleys of a match that
1:32:15
you'd like to have once in a while. Yeah, yeah, and yeah
1:32:19
we did. We didn't really talk on the the post match that against that
1:32:25
much. Yeah, with Damien Priest's wedding and going to have his hand raised,
1:32:30
and then j D and Finn start whopping up on Jay and Damian Priest
1:32:34
immediately turns around like the fuck are y'all doing? No? I mean,
1:32:36
he snatches them off of j like no, no, this ain't it.
1:32:41
And while it's not, obviously it's not a definitive face turn yet for Damian
1:32:45
Priest, I think we can all agree that's probably on the horizon at some
1:32:48
point. I think it was more so the fact that one priest wanted to
1:32:54
establish himself as champion on his own, that he didn't need the judgment date
1:32:59
to be seen as a you know, credible champion, which I appreciate that,
1:33:03
and I think that is a little bit of reality bleeding into wrestling,
1:33:09
because I think people have always questioned for a while, like I think we've
1:33:14
it's even been questioned on this podcast ourselves, is Damian Priest a legitimate Can
1:33:20
you really see him as a legitimate champion. There was a point last year,
1:33:26
I think, when he had some momentum going after WrestleMania last year where
1:33:30
he had the match with Bad Bunny at Backlash, and then uh there was
1:33:33
a talk of him getting all that praise from the producers and higher ups backstage
1:33:39
that you know, we thought, okay, he might be the one next
1:33:43
poise for a push and then winning the money in the bank briefcase, we
1:33:45
thought, like, you know, he's on his way. We saw the
1:33:48
title rain coming from him, like we thought it was imminent. At some
1:33:51
point it turned out not to be and it got delayed to WrestleMania this year.
1:33:57
But in that time space, he did lou some of that momentum that
1:34:00
he had with the numerous failed castions. But now that he's here, yeah,
1:34:05
he does kind of need to somewhat re establish himself again, so I
1:34:11
think he was. That was part of the part of his motivations in this
1:34:14
match was and again part of the reality bleeding in the wrestling aspect of it,
1:34:18
of Damian Priest establishing himself as a credible, legitimate champion. And then
1:34:25
also Jay faced him straight up. You know, this wasn't Ouso, this
1:34:31
wasn't Bloodline ja Uso facing them where it was other people coming in. It
1:34:34
was just as his theme says, just me oos. So it was him
1:34:40
one on one. I think there's also a respect factor there between him and
1:34:44
j Like me and you one on one, we're gonna duke it out,
1:34:47
and then here come the goons getting extra cheap shots in after the fact.
1:34:53
Yeah, imagine he he ain't liked that, Like I respect this guy.
1:34:58
There's there's a way that we do and maybe and Damian preside is like,
1:35:01
there's a way that we do things here, like he made he ain't opposed
1:35:05
to a beatdown on somebody, but it's a beatdown when it's warranted. It's
1:35:10
a beatdown when you when you bring it upon, when it's called for,
1:35:13
when it's needed, when it's necessary. Ain't no, ain't no necessity and
1:35:15
whooping the dudes ask after a match after I just had this good one on
1:35:20
one match with him, there's no reason to beat him down. I beat
1:35:24
him already. It's done, As he was saying, it's done, it's
1:35:28
over, and then the obviously Finn tried to mouth back to him and got
1:35:31
snatched up. How your mama used to do you when you talk back to
1:35:34
her? But yeah, that's what I think that it's twofold in that regard
1:35:44
as far as his reaction. But uh, Wayne, where you at on
1:35:46
this one? Yeah? Uh, it's weird to see a world title match
1:35:54
dead center of a pay per view, but you know, something to have
1:35:59
him kick off the show. But you know what, I was fine with
1:36:03
this. I was fine. The crowd was fucking digging it. I you
1:36:09
know, like I said, the yeats the entrance for a jay So I
1:36:13
have as an audio clip I will throw it in here at the end of
1:36:16
the podcast. But that was that was also one of the biggest pops of
1:36:20
the night. This was Damien's chance to show us that he could hold the
1:36:28
world title on his own, that he could He doesn't need judgment date you
1:36:32
know, there to to pull the strings to help him along the way,
1:36:38
especially for a first title defense. I mean, any one of us would
1:36:43
be in his shoes would think the same thing, like, you know,
1:36:45
I like, let me go out there, let me do this myself.
1:36:47
Because if I can't do this myself, then like maybe I shouldn't be world
1:36:51
champion. You know, maybe that's what he said. He wants, he
1:36:55
wants to be a good world champion. I see Damien pre slowly becoming a
1:37:00
face wrestler. It's the seas are there, and I think the world title
1:37:08
is gonna make him pure again. You know, it's gonna make him a
1:37:11
good, good wrestler because he wants to be a girl good world champion,
1:37:15
because I think he knows that. For a while, we thought of him
1:37:18
as a joke, as you know, the bisexual vampire, you know,
1:37:24
not a lot of people took him serious, you know, and and beating
1:37:30
you know, Jay husso you know, clean would have would have been one
1:37:33
of those, you know a little bit more respect I you know, gained
1:37:39
for him. But like you know, Judgment Day, they don't listen.
1:37:44
I even recall it, like on Raw him you know, him saying like,
1:37:47
don't come out, you know, like I don't want anybody's help.
1:37:51
And as soon as they came out, I was like, you didn't fucking
1:37:55
listen. Man. You know I'd be pissed too. I'd tell you guys,
1:38:00
and you're like, don't come out it all, don't interfere in my
1:38:01
match, and you come out and then he almost cost him the title,
1:38:06
and Carlos, you're right, man, Like the Judgment Day is going to
1:38:12
cost him that world title at some point. And that's that what's gonna really
1:38:18
break the the whole Judgment Day apart, I think, because I think it's
1:38:25
kind of like they want to break Judgment Day aparty. It's just I feel
1:38:28
like they're stalling because now Dom's out for six to eight weeks and you know,
1:38:32
Rhea is out for god knows how long, so it is key.
1:38:36
It does seem like they're kind of stalling, maybe, you know, dragging
1:38:42
this out because I thought next night on Raw, We're gonna have some drama.
1:38:47
No, instead we had a group session and everybody hugged it out,
1:38:53
you know, So it looks like they are trying to extend this the Judgment
1:39:00
Day's life here, you know, just some Judgment Day news. I don't
1:39:05
know if he like Saul. You know, we've been mentioning Live Morgan a
1:39:10
couple of times, pulling Dom away. Morgan was posted some pictures and apparently
1:39:17
she had a purple bandana sticking out of her pants ever so slightly. Hm
1:39:25
hm hm hm. The Easter eggs have been laid. I don't know.
1:39:31
Yeah, they've been doing that for the last two weeks. It's a little
1:39:35
bit more interesting than that goes. I mean, obviously that's more so tied
1:39:42
probably between Dom and Rhea. Yeah right, and rather being part of the
1:39:47
larger Judgment Day as a whole, because obviously Riha's not I mean, Live's
1:39:51
not doing this to hurt the Judgment Day. She's doing it to hurt Ria.
1:39:56
So that'll probably just we probably won't see anything from that until Ria comes
1:40:01
back, and then that's probably when we'll just see the full on collapse of
1:40:06
the Judgment Day as a whole, maybe as a part of this whole thing.
1:40:11
It'll be rather than just be a singular Judgment Day collapse storyline, it
1:40:14
will probably incorporate multiple storylines at once with Damien and whatever's happening with him,
1:40:20
between him and Finn and JD, as well as domin Rhea and all that,
1:40:26
and it'll collectively be the collapse and follow the Judgment Day probably. But
1:40:33
since y'all both y'all seem to be agree that that Judgment Day is gonna cost
1:40:42
Damien Priest the title, which I think will probably happen as well. However,
1:40:48
do y'all, I'll ask both of y'all, do y'all think they will
1:40:53
cost him the title while he's still a member of Judgment Day or will they
1:40:58
cost him the title after he splits or leaves Judgment Day. Oh, I
1:41:01
know, I think for sure, I think it's gonna be the latter.
1:41:05
Yeah, I definitely think it's with him with Judgment Day. I think that's
1:41:11
going to be the the strawlette breaks the camel's back, you know, the
1:41:15
the what really pushes him over the edge with you know, dealing with this
1:41:19
ship with JD joining. You know, he didn't want JD in Judgment Day
1:41:25
at first. He didn't want Our Truth around. Like Damien's just been it
1:41:30
seems like since the beginning of Judgment Day, he's been buttons have been pushed,
1:41:36
you know, along the way, and now, like you know,
1:41:40
I'm even watching it here, like when they're trying to jump jay Uso at
1:41:44
the end and he's stopping him, even to the point where he grabs Finn
1:41:46
by the face, you know, telling him to stop, like starting to
1:41:50
get aggressive. Now he's like stand here, stand there. It's like,
1:41:55
now put your hands up. Uh. Yeah, it's just Gonnat tired of
1:42:00
the shit, you know, plain simple. It's like, I don't know,
1:42:06
I mean, it's just months now, this has been happening. I
1:42:10
just I've been seeing it, you know. Damn, it was just this
1:42:15
tire, this bullshit. They lost their tag titles, people, they lost
1:42:19
their tag titles to a guy who thought he was in Judgment Day, you
1:42:24
know, so, uh yeah, Carlos, what do you think. I
1:42:31
think he's gonna lose it as a member of Judgment Days. So it's gonna
1:42:40
be like one of those things where he's like, don't come and help me
1:42:45
again in the ring. And then you know, it's like maybe like this,
1:42:53
if it's not just gonna be this next time, whether it's what's the
1:42:56
next one clans at the Castle, the King of the Sorry Saudi, if
1:43:01
it's not one of if it's not this next pay per view, like setting
1:43:06
that up even more where he tells whether he's gonna face at Saudi Arabia not
1:43:12
to come, it's gonna be. It has to be sometime soon. So
1:43:17
because that's where the conflict, Like, I can't see Damian Priest having another
1:43:25
storyline going with anyone else or building a feud with anyone else. It's gotta
1:43:30
be he loses the title because of Judgment Day, whether it's JD or Finn,
1:43:36
and now he has to get his revenge for them causing him the title,
1:43:41
and it's gonna be a part of him being in Judgment Day. And
1:43:45
then he gets kicked out, and I think I think what I would love,
1:43:53
and I don't think he's had that match it. I think I would
1:43:56
love if Finn Balor would win King of the Ring and he has his own
1:44:02
stable, like he takes over judge that day. But I want to say
1:44:09
about that. Didn't Finn just lose did he? I don't remember, Yeah
1:44:15
he did. He just wants to Oh yeah they did have that match and
1:44:24
he lost a jay that never mind. But he's just not a multi year
1:44:28
contract, so I think he's pretty happy. Yeah, he's not going nowhere.
1:44:32
Just ain't about to be king nothing. My job is secure. I'll
1:44:36
take a couple of losses. I'm not on the chopping block no more.
1:44:42
I mean he's he's like forty midfol early forties, so mm hmm. You
1:44:47
know he's been doing it for a while and he knows that he's going to
1:44:51
be be taken care of, especially now with Hunter. Now. No,
1:44:57
he doesn't have that hang up like Vince had where he's like, god damn
1:45:01
it, I put the belt on you and you want to go ahead and
1:45:03
got concussed or you tore your you tore your ligaments and now you're out for
1:45:09
a whole year. How the hell am I supposed to trust you, Derek
1:45:12
carry the ball. Yeah. See, Honestly, I think it's gonna happen.
1:45:17
I guess I'm the odd one out because I think it happens after he
1:45:20
after he leaves Judgment Day, more or less, not in the sense that
1:45:25
like he leaves Judgment Day and then he's still champion for like two or three
1:45:30
months afterwards. But I think it's gonna be in the midst of him facing
1:45:38
somebody else as a challenger. I think he'll be in preparing for a defense
1:45:43
against whoever, and in the midst of that, this whole Judgment Day thing
1:45:49
is gonna boil over, and then he's just gonna finally say screw it,
1:45:54
I'm done with y'all. I'm out, I quit, I'm done while he
1:45:58
has this pending title. And then that's how Judgment Day is gonna show up
1:46:02
and cost him the title. Not that we homies were still cool, and
1:46:08
then we get the turn from Finn and JD on him where they say,
1:46:13
actually, we're not cool, screw you and the belt, we cost you
1:46:17
the title. Then we stomp you out and kick you out. I think
1:46:20
Damian Price is going to be the one to leave them rather than him getting
1:46:25
kicked out and then as a as retaliation for him saying screw you guys,
1:46:30
I quit. I'm done with this. They're gonna cost him the title and
1:46:34
then we'll get the you know JD versus or Damien Price versus Judgment Day feud.
1:46:43
So that's the only thing I mean. I think I don't think we're
1:46:45
off too much in as far as our timelines. I think the only difference
1:46:49
is just that I think Damian Priest is going to be the one to initiate
1:46:53
leaving the group rather than them kicking him out right. So for not anything.
1:47:02
With nothing else to add on to that match, we can move on
1:47:04
to the penultimate match of the night, the Kabuki Warriors of Oscar and Kyrie
1:47:14
Saying defending the Women's Tag Team Championship against Bianca Belair and Jade Cargill. And
1:47:23
this match, surprisingly was had more time than the Damien Priest j Jusso match.
1:47:30
Yes, yeah, this match went off for seventeen minutes and twenty five
1:47:34
seconds. They had too much time. I don't entirely disagree. I just
1:47:43
think that this match, this was a it was a tale of it depended
1:47:50
on who was in the ring in terms of how this match was going,
1:47:54
because Bianca and Oscar were their usual excellent selves. They started off the match
1:48:02
yeah, good, back and forth exchange with each other, started off hot,
1:48:06
started off good and then but it seemed like anytime Kyrie Saying and j
1:48:14
Cargill were in the ring together is when the mistakes happened. And despite what
1:48:19
most people would like to believe, most of the mistakes appeared to come from
1:48:25
Kyrie Saying, not Jay Cargill. There have been some people out there saying
1:48:30
J. Cargill didn't look that great. J car Gill still looked rough and
1:48:33
ring. I thought j Cargill looked fine in the ring. She was doing
1:48:39
a little bit more than she has been doing. I mean, she's still
1:48:42
being booked strongly and being more or less protected, not having to carry most
1:48:45
of the work. Obviously that was done by Bianca in this match, but
1:48:49
she did take a little bit of offense this time arounsh She was taking some
1:48:54
bumps, doing a little bit more in her move set. I thought Jade
1:48:58
looked fine for how they are great actually bringing her along. Most of the
1:49:01
mistakes and botches that I saw in this match came from Kyrie Sane to my
1:49:06
surprise, because I always thought she was a great a good worker and a
1:49:10
good wrestler. But every times of this match where she seemed lost, and
1:49:14
I think the most glaring one was the uh pen attempt that was not supposed
1:49:18
to happen, where the referee was clearly trying to tell her this ain't supposed
1:49:24
to be this ain't a pen attempt in this match, And that wasn't on
1:49:28
Jade, and that wasn't on the ref That was on Kyrie not knowing the
1:49:31
spot of the match. And then Jade was the one who actually had to
1:49:38
get the recover and you know, push her to the other side of the
1:49:42
ring so that Oscar could make the tag so they could get back on track.
1:49:45
You know, that's not Jade's fault there, that's all. That was
1:49:49
all Kyrie Sane in that moment. So that's where I saw most of the
1:49:55
mistakes happen. Oh by the way, sidebar Biancle Bellair and j Car Gill
1:49:59
did win the Mass and become our new w W Women's Tag Team Champions,
1:50:04
and there were also in it. There was a good There were good spots
1:50:10
from them, just as a tag team from Bianca and Jay. The one
1:50:14
spot where Jay was holding Kyrie up and Bianca hit her with the DDT and
1:50:18
then she went back on BEA's feet and Bianca pushed her back into a fallaway
1:50:23
slam that was a dope spot. The spot in the finish where Kyrie Saying
1:50:28
tried to come off the top rope, and I think j Cargill caught her,
1:50:32
flipped her up on her shoulders, flipped her back around, and then
1:50:35
dropped her down for Jade's finisher dope spot. Nice spot, I think again.
1:50:44
One most of the batches of mistakes that I saw in this match that
1:50:46
I remember were from Kyrie saying more than Jay Cargill or anyone else. And
1:50:51
two yeah, I forgot that quick one. My number two was going to
1:50:58
be. I think people are overstating how bad this match was. I think
1:51:03
people are overreacting. I think people just some people just want to be down
1:51:08
on j car Gill, just want to be harsh on her, So anything
1:51:11
that ain't perfect, they just want to pile on, and they're just looking
1:51:15
for reasons to try to dunk on J Cargill, which is really unwarranted in
1:51:20
my opinion. J Cargill has been wrestling for like six years and she's been
1:51:30
on TV, wrestling on TV for four of those six years. That's nothing
1:51:35
in wrestling years, nothing, And to spend all that time with the lights
1:51:44
of the two biggest wrestling promotions on It's not like she's done like other wrestlers,
1:51:48
where she had time to put work on the ND scene to establish herself
1:51:54
and build herself up before being on TV. She didn't have any of that.
1:51:58
She didn't get the NXT nothing. It was pretty much day one she
1:52:01
started wrestling professionally boom aw on TV, second biggest promotion, and she's had
1:52:09
to do all this learning in a short period of time under the brightest lights
1:52:14
in front of the entire world watching. And for where she's at, I
1:52:20
think she's doing okay. I think some people who out there were trying to
1:52:26
be unnecessarily critical might want to go back and take a look at some of
1:52:29
their phaves and see where they were at at year four of their wrestling career.
1:52:35
You might be surprised, but at the side ran for another time.
1:52:41
Wait, what were your thoughts on this match? I'll tell you what.
1:52:45
A few years ago, you know, we'd be talking about fantasy. You
1:52:48
know booking right, and you know, the idea of Jade Cargill on ww
1:52:55
roster was, you know, a fantasy booking in itself. But you know,
1:53:00
I've always heard and I've even been understand like, could you imagine if
1:53:06
Jade Cargill and and Biancapelle were a tag team, Like I don't know how
1:53:12
we get there, but get us there, and god damn it, we're
1:53:16
there. Dude, We're there, We're there. Were they're the champions now,
1:53:20
the tag team champions. It's like just something that you're like, oh,
1:53:26
you know, give it to us, give it to us, give
1:53:27
it to us, and they fucking deliver. You know. Uh, I
1:53:31
was really happy with the outcome of this. Uh you know not. It
1:53:39
wasn't so much that there wasn't any like actual botches in the match. It
1:53:44
was just like whether the ref didn't see the tags, whether it was the
1:53:48
girls not communicating, you know, well, it just seemed timing was off
1:53:55
with a couple of things, but it wasn't botched. It was just time.
1:54:00
I don't know how, you know what I mean, Like it's like
1:54:01
two different things. Like they weren't messing up for wrestling moves. They were
1:54:04
just messing wrestling timing, you know, just the timing of pins and and
1:54:10
who's supposed to be the legal woman? And why are we throwing out the
1:54:14
legal woman and the woman who's not legal is still in you know, you're
1:54:18
doing a double team move and you're still in the ring. You know,
1:54:21
the saying they're saying, a w you know you got you gotta you gotta
1:54:26
make the tag and then you gotta get out. You know, I'm saying
1:54:29
it. It's not a tornado tag match. So I was waiting for any
1:54:32
second for him to come out and make into a Tornado tag match. But
1:54:39
uh yeah, minus all all the confusion, I did enjoy the match still.
1:54:45
Uh you know, a good tag team to take them off of,
1:54:48
a good tag team to pick them up, and I you know, it's
1:54:53
keeping these women's World Tag titles alive. And uh I hope they have a
1:55:00
nice lengthy run because I want to see, you know, a bunch of
1:55:04
teams yeah go up against these girls. So I want to see what we
1:55:10
can throw at them. What who is going to be the team to take
1:55:15
these titles off these two. That's that's what interests me because the endgame,
1:55:19
it's like man like who right down this roster could even be the two,
1:55:27
you know, without some sort of shenatigans to get these titles off these women.
1:55:32
But yeah, I'm excited going forward, Carlos where you at on this
1:55:41
one? I thought this match went maybe six minutes too long, And like
1:55:51
you mentioned Dre, it's not like it's like a combination of things, and
1:55:57
I think it's like there weren't any batch moves. It's just a bat sequences
1:56:06
mistiming type of things like and it's like unfortunately like an issue because of the
1:56:17
language barrier Oscar and Kyrie. If you hear them talking like it's not perfect
1:56:26
Englis is just broken English, and who knows when you can hear them,
1:56:31
and that's when you would need someone with experience that's worked with them before and
1:56:36
maybe they have been working a little bit better like in house shows, but
1:56:42
you still need to be able to get to that point where you that comfortable
1:56:47
like mode with them when you're like you could just have that like like psychic
1:56:55
link, but you just give yourself a look and you're like, oh,
1:56:58
you want me to do this, okay, all right? And they didn't
1:57:01
get that, and the ref couldn't even get everything back on track, because
1:57:04
there's that one point where Oscar is in there and she tags out or Kyrie
1:57:18
just comes in right and then and then Oscar just walks off like she got
1:57:25
tagged in, and then the ref is like, no, no, you're
1:57:28
not the legal person. I can't like do this, you know, like
1:57:31
they can't count, and then he makes her break the hold and then he's
1:57:39
and then they they still make Kyrie tag out like that shouldn't have the whole
1:57:45
sequence shouldn't have ever happened. If she's not legal to begin with, then
1:57:48
she shouldn't even tag to come in right. And that that was the spotting
1:57:55
question I was saying. That was mostly on Kyrie saying more than anyone else
1:57:59
because Kyle he didn't understand where the spot was in that match and going for
1:58:02
a pen that wasn't supposed to happen. Maybe you could put it a little
1:58:08
bit on the ref that rather than just throw it off like that. Maybe,
1:58:13
And part of it is inexperience, because I think maybe rather than him
1:58:18
just calling attention to an obvious mistake in the match, if you want to
1:58:21
put anything on the ref, rather than him calling attention to what was an
1:58:26
obvious spot in the match that wasn't supposed to happen. Maybe he could have
1:58:30
attempted to count the two or attempted to three count, and maybe if Jay
1:58:34
Cargo's experienced enough and that moment, she can be aware to kick out of
1:58:40
it and then they can transition and get back on track. So, yeah,
1:58:44
you can give a little bit of blame to the ref and that spot
1:58:45
that he called attention to. Probably outside of that, nobody want something that
1:58:51
people wouldn't have known was a botch until he brought attention to it. Yeah,
1:58:57
and then like you know, like whatever, like if the BP brings
1:59:00
it to attention, you know, like if Jade is more experienced or she's
1:59:04
more familiar with how to do this, maybe she just grabs them and just
1:59:10
like like you know what, I'll just body slam or power slam and throw
1:59:15
you over there. You know, because she could do that. Harry doesn't
1:59:18
weigh more than like one hundred pounds, so she could just launch her over
1:59:21
there. Or she can just whip her into the corner and that's how you
1:59:26
get Oscar in there with the flying tag or whatever, if you want to
1:59:29
go that route. But still, you know, it's one of those things
1:59:33
that she's going to have to learn, and that's like one of those things
1:59:39
where it just like a just completely broke, like the mystique of the match.
1:59:45
Like I'm not taking any way away from we all know that they were
1:59:48
going to get the tag titles, and you know they deserve it because they're
1:59:51
going to be like a big, unstoppable team, kind of like the women
1:59:57
version of The Ultimate Warrior and Coogan coming together, you know. So it's
2:00:03
gonna be interesting how they progressed this particular story. But yeah, just because
2:00:11
of all the mistakes and all the miscommunications, I just this was my least
2:00:17
favorite match of this card. Yeah, definitely, like that's it. That's
2:00:26
definitely what dragged this match down, seeing some of the obviously the miscues and
2:00:30
even some of the sausage making process, I think around the same shortly after
2:00:34
that, there was another spot where Kyrie and Jay were just kind of seemed
2:00:42
a little bit like they were just trying to buy time because the referee wasn't
2:00:45
with them. He was so off Kyrie were in the middle of the ring,
2:00:55
and then you see in the camera angle you see Oscar jump in the
2:00:59
ring over to where Bianca is that, and the referees over with them,
2:01:03
and it looks like they're either trying to figure out what to do next,
2:01:08
or he's calling, or they're calling the next spot to each other. Meanwhile
2:01:12
Kyrie and j the legal people are just in there like okay, I guess
2:01:17
we're just gonna buy time until the referee comes back over here, and they
2:01:20
just kind of fall to the ground. So yeah, that was a little
2:01:24
bit again of a miscue, which between the two of them, I guess
2:01:30
you could say that in Jay's case, yes, it's a bit of inexperience,
2:01:36
but again no major botches Kyrie's case. It's a language barrier thing,
2:01:42
and when you combine inexperienced plus the language barrier, you're gonna end up with
2:01:47
stuff like this happening in a match where things kind of fall apart because these
2:01:51
two. Jay's not experienced enough to know how to work with somebody where there's
2:01:56
a language barrier and how to improvise on the spot, and then having the
2:02:00
language barrier herself can't communicate effectively at times either. She's probably, if anything,
2:02:08
she's probably not the one calling the spots in that moment. It's probably
2:02:11
Jade calling the spots and Jay being again being in experience, doesn't quite know
2:02:16
how to improvise on the fly like that. She doesn't have that in her
2:02:19
tool set yet. But nevertheless, outside of that, I still thought it
2:02:26
was a good match. I think it still had good spots, good moments,
2:02:30
and yeah, we've got new champions and we'll see how it goes from
2:02:33
here. Because I think we said this before, and I think on the
2:02:36
preview show, if Biyonca and Jay can't make these tag titles work, then
2:02:42
nobody can. If these two can't make people give a damn about these tag
2:02:47
team titles, then y'all need to throw these shits away. And I also
2:02:53
don't think that they need to wait to see how this goes with the tag
2:02:56
titles before they introduce women's interim and intermediate titles, before they introduce totally different
2:03:08
category. You know, it is to an extent, but I just say,
2:03:14
I'm just saying that they've already done that on an XT, We've got
2:03:17
the Women's North American Championship, the mid tier title. All the saying is
2:03:21
that I want WWE to not wait on the women's tag titles to be either
2:03:29
a success or a failure. To decide on whether they're going to introduce mid
2:03:32
car titles to the main roster. That needs to be an already made decision
2:03:38
that yes, we're going to do that, and we need to do that
2:03:40
soon, not in terms of not sit back and be like, well,
2:03:45
let's hope these women's tag titles work and if they don't, then we'll pull
2:03:48
the trigger on it. Like, nah, that trigger needs to be pulled
2:03:51
already, that's all I'm saying. Cool man, I just want to add
2:03:59
one thing and move on. MVP of that match would be Ascar, because
2:04:03
she's been fighting that injury that we all pointed out that she's had I think
2:04:09
since a little bit past the Royal Rumbo. She got hurt, so she's
2:04:14
finally going to get some time off to get that address. But the fact
2:04:17
that she's just been wrestling with that knee injury for this long props to her.
2:04:23
Yeah, definitely agree, because Yeah, news did come out then the
2:04:29
last day or two that Oscar is out with an injury, which yeah,
2:04:32
probably is that knee injury that, as you said, she's sustained sometime or
2:04:36
Gothic. I remember when exactly it was. I I think it was on
2:04:41
an episode of SmackDown or something at least where specific it also an episode of
2:04:45
SmackDown. Yeah, but I don't remember like if it was either in like
2:04:50
after Elimination Chamber or if it was before Elimination Chamber. But it's she's been
2:04:56
on that for a while. Yeah, definitely, Yeah, she's she's earned
2:05:00
her time off, and man, that just leaves uh damage controlling the interesting
2:05:08
situation. It kind of alost makes you wonder how many people have been working
2:05:12
through injuries up through WrestleMania or going into going into WrestleMania, and now post
2:05:18
WrestleMania, all these things are kind of catching up to people and they're like,
2:05:24
Okay, I pushed it off through to get through WrestleMania. I can't
2:05:28
push it off anymore, and now they need the time off to get to
2:05:32
get on the men. And it's coming in the midst of some major factions.
2:05:36
Well, in the case of Real Hers was unexpected, but you got
2:05:41
Judgment Day with Rea out injured, damage Control losing Oscar to injury. Those
2:05:48
are those are two major factions that are now probably going to have whatever storylines
2:05:54
they had going on potentially interrupted due to injuries to key players. But TBD
2:06:01
yeah, so we'ving going to our main event. We had Cody Rhodes defending
2:06:09
the WWE Championship against aj Styles. This was my match of the night.
2:06:15
This was a great, great match, just one v one, nothing extra,
2:06:24
And I think that's part of why I like this match so much,
2:06:27
because for three years we've been getting Roman Reigns blood Line storyline championship matches where
2:06:34
we knew we were We knew Roman was gonna win. Granted, we also
2:06:39
knew Cody was gonna win this match, but we also knew that there was
2:06:42
gonna be some Bloodline interference at some point, and our interest in the match
2:06:46
was more so what was going to be the continuation of the Bloodline story more
2:06:51
so than the match itself. The match itself for years now has been secondary
2:07:00
when it comes to the ww Championship. It's always been what's the storyline gonna
2:07:03
be, What's what's the next chapter in the story that's told. The match
2:07:09
itself has just been like the match is just a vehicle to tell the story.
2:07:14
But this one it was about the match itself. There wasn't really much
2:07:17
of a story to be told because again, we knew Cody was going over
2:07:20
Cody was gonna win. This was just two guys who can wrestle their butts
2:07:25
off, going in the ring and just tearing the house down in a match,
2:07:30
and we haven't had that for a while, and for me, this
2:07:32
was refreshing. It was a breath of fresh air. Yeah, to just
2:07:35
get a good one v one championship match, no extra frills, no outside
2:07:43
interference, no storyline to worry about. Just let these two guys bring the
2:07:47
bell, let them cook, and they absolutely cooked. This was a great
2:07:54
freaking match. Or your thoughts on this match, Wayne, Dude, this
2:07:59
fucking match of the night. I mean I took the audio from this one
2:08:03
too for Cody Roads coming out. I mean, it was a great pop
2:08:09
the crowd. I also love it when the crowd sings the entrance music long
2:08:13
after they stopped playing it. You know, the crowd's like, we got
2:08:18
to finish this chorus, you know, and you could just hear all eleven
2:08:22
thousand people and they're just saying, you know, there's people out there who
2:08:26
are saying that, like, you know, we're sick of Cody. There's
2:08:31
people who are sick of Cody already. I don't believe that at all.
2:08:33
I think there's fans who are probably sick, who were just sick of the
2:08:41
storyline. They finished the story storyline, but now we're moved on to other
2:08:46
things. So I'm not bored with Cody Rose yet. I might be bored
2:08:52
with hearing his music because I hear it everywhere I go, especially that RUSTLEMANI
2:08:56
weekend. It was like I couldn't go like an hour without hearing it somewhere,
2:09:03
you know. Uh, and then I'd find myself humming in at work
2:09:07
because it is a good song. It's just that it's played a lot.
2:09:11
But you know, nevertheless, uh, dude, the cry was wild for
2:09:16
this. You know. I love the fact that there was no interference in
2:09:20
all. No Shenanigans, no OC coming out, no endgame portal situation where
2:09:26
we get the Rock coming out, we get the Undertaker coming out. No
2:09:31
Cody Rows gets to defend his title like a fucking championship Blake. Damian Priest
2:09:37
probably wanted to without any interference, to put on a match. He probably
2:09:43
wanted exactly what we got here. You know, we just got two fucking
2:09:48
good wrestlers who, like you said, Dre, just let him cook and
2:09:52
they fucking cook. Dude, they broke the table. They they they they
2:09:58
wrestle. You know what I thought of while I was watching this. These
2:10:01
guys have never faced each other, but yet they wrestle each other like they
2:10:07
know each other so well, and like there is not many opponents who can
2:10:13
do that, And it just shows the caliber of skill with with these two
2:10:18
guys like like that, they're good fucking wrestlers. And you don't need storyline
2:10:24
shenanigans of people interfering and and false finishes and you know what I mean,
2:10:30
just just two fucking guys who know the arts so well, and we got
2:10:35
to see it here. I'm trying to remember here, Oh how how the
2:10:41
the finish was here? Oh wait here it is here? It is?
2:10:46
Oh yeah he does yeah, like, oh wow that and then he also
2:10:50
he uh, what's that that one he does? He jumps off the Cody
2:10:54
cutter. He did that off the top rope. That was pretty fucking cool.
2:10:58
Do off the top rope. But yeah, then the Crossboads puts Aj
2:11:01
Styles away. You know Aj Styles, it can take the loss, but
2:11:05
you know, I don't see him, you know, falling too far from
2:11:11
the top of the mountain here. I mean, it's Aj styles. He
2:11:16
delivered a fucking phenomenal match here, both of these guys, sou Carlos.
2:11:24
What do you think, man? I thought that the match went pretty much
2:11:33
the way we all thought it was gonna go. These guys got a lot
2:11:39
of time. I think it was like twenty five minutes or so, so
2:11:43
you already knew the like the way the match started off where they did like
2:11:48
the little feeling out type of things, and we're gonna do a test of
2:11:52
strength or we gonna like kind of like grapple up or what we're gonna do.
2:11:58
So what she saw them trying to do that and trying to avoid AJ,
2:12:03
try to avoid making contact that this was going to be a long match.
2:12:09
I did, like, you know a couple of those moves that they
2:12:15
did, especially on the outside here with you know, taking out the commentary
2:12:22
the French I think it was like the French commentary table, and then you
2:12:26
know Cody tackling AJ into like the steel steps and things like that. So
2:12:35
it was a good battle where it wasn't going to be something that was going
2:12:39
to be. None of these guys had the like I guess you could say,
2:12:43
the brute strength to you know, like wear somebody down. So you
2:12:50
knew it was going to be more of like counter counter move here, move
2:12:56
here type of type of thing, like not like a technical one, but
2:13:00
it was gonna be like back and forth and they're gonna bring you. They
2:13:03
were gonna keep you entertained, whether it was gonna be with something that AJ
2:13:07
did or one of the few things that Cody does, which is to me,
2:13:16
he doesn't have like that five moves to death like Johnsena does. But
2:13:20
you know when something his like moves that like his panting moves or his marquee
2:13:28
moves are coming, you know, when the Cody cutters coming, you know
2:13:31
he's gonna do the thing that gold Dust does where he drops on his back
2:13:35
and then he punches him in the face type of thing. And yeah,
2:13:39
he got a signature moves. Yeah, Cody's out here appropriating some moves too.
2:13:46
Yeah. So it's and then, uh, there was one thing that
2:13:52
I did, Like I don't know if you guys managed to catch it,
2:13:56
but uh, he actually did a callback to his start us think, uh
2:14:01
huh, don't remind us, well he did that in response to AJ Styles
2:14:09
doing it to him. Yeah, because AJ did it to him. That
2:14:13
Friday, I think it's SmackDown. Yeah, taunted him with it, so
2:14:16
Kate Cody just gave it right back to him in the match, which I
2:14:18
thought was dope. Yeah, because it's like, you know, it's encompassing
2:14:24
the little small part of the build up that they had going. And that's
2:14:30
you know, maybe if this time, if this had more steam behind it
2:14:35
or more time to cook or more build up before this match, I would
2:14:39
have enjoyed it a little bit more, uh here, but I just couldn't.
2:14:46
And then like normally we have like it's weird, like it took like
2:14:54
how many like maybe five or six crossroads before Roman Reigns lost and he hit
2:15:01
them with the trifecta for the finale. But yeah, and then here we
2:15:07
just get a j just takes one and that was it. So just like
2:15:11
I need to I need to get something here. I need like an average,
2:15:16
like so like how many how many crossroads does it take to put down
2:15:24
the w w E superstar? A finisher should put you down with just one.
2:15:30
That used to be my knock against his finisher period was like why do
2:15:33
you have to if you have to hit your finishing more than once on somebody
2:15:37
to win a match, your finishers trash. Somebody got the memo was like,
2:15:43
Okay, Cody, you need to stop hitting motherfuckers with three and four
2:15:46
called crossroads every match, otherwise your ship gonna look weak. Yeah, hit
2:15:50
three of them at Wrestle they needed to finally defeat a three year champion valid
2:15:56
and then like one in France. I'm cool once in a while, I
2:16:03
if he's gonna be using the Cody Cutter for something like exciting, I'd want
2:16:07
him to beat a person once in a while with the Cody Cutter. You
2:16:13
know, like once in a while when Dolph was wrestling, just bringing this
2:16:16
up because uh, he used to just win and doing the zigzag before he
2:16:22
did the you know, the other move. I forget what it is.
2:16:26
Is it the famouser version of it? Was his other finisher move. But
2:16:31
you know, once in a while he won with the zigzag and that was
2:16:35
cool, and they gave you that excitement. You're like, oh, it's
2:16:37
the zigzag, and that made you commit to you know, being sucked in
2:16:41
by the false finish because you know, once in a while he won a
2:16:46
match using the zigzag and you see him do a Cody cutter, you know,
2:16:50
he's not gonna you know, he's not gonna win a match with a
2:16:52
Cody Cutter, So yeah, I get it, But who can he beat
2:16:58
with a Cody Cutter and completely bury. I'm just saying that's the only question
2:17:05
I have about it. Now. That's the problem I have, And that's
2:17:09
what I was mentioned in earlier. It's like it's like I want to like
2:17:15
give Cody a chance, like because of all the all like the brownie points
2:17:20
or you know, all the little points he's built up from like building this
2:17:24
character that he refuses to go heal with that it still annoys me, which
2:17:33
I've mentioned to you guys in public and everything, and they'll keep saying that
2:17:37
you can't call yourself American Nightmare and be a face. I'm sorry. Eventually
2:17:46
gotta have to turn heel and that's like his whole thing where he doesn't want
2:17:48
to do it. So that's my piece, that's the shortened version of it.
2:17:54
So eventually he you know, I don't want Cody to not succeed because
2:18:03
if the fans end up turning on him, then it just ruins anything that
2:18:07
Roman reigns pretty much sacrifice from like having that extra year that we now found
2:18:15
out that he fought for and he convinced Vince and Triple As to give him,
2:18:22
Like, hey, I'm going to give this guy more heat as a
2:18:26
face and get him more over with the crowd by beating him at WrestleMania thirty
2:18:31
nine, you know, and if we can't like find more ways to because
2:18:39
right now I can't think of who else Cody would have a major feud.
2:18:45
And I'd hate to think that this is all that his whole run is just
2:18:54
going to be facing either the Rock or Roman Reigns again. That I want
2:19:01
to know that there could be some very credible threats along the way. And
2:19:07
it's like, you know, like when you watch a movie and it gets
2:19:11
too predictable and you're like, well, I already know who's gonna do,
2:19:15
who's the killer? I already know how this is gonna end. It kind
2:19:18
of takes a little bit of the fun out of the journey out of it.
2:19:22
Sure, Yeah, I think you're what you're saying is very valid.
2:19:26
Yeah, if we know how it's gonna go, then yeah, some of
2:19:31
the interests is taken out of it. That's kind of what killed so many
2:19:35
of the the Roman Reigns matches over the years is that we knew he was
2:19:39
gonna win. Therefore, we had no interest in the match. All our
2:19:43
interest was was in the bloodline storyline, where the next chapter and that storyline
2:19:48
was gonna be. We didn't give two ships about the match. We were
2:19:50
like, Roman's gonna win. What's gonna happen between these guys? So like
2:19:54
that's where the interest was. And yeah, there's that. I don't think
2:19:58
we're quite at that point. We're obviously not at that point yet with Cody,
2:20:03
But for them, the oldest is on the person challenging, is on
2:20:09
the opponent and on the booking to make us interested. And it's not so
2:20:13
much on Cody, like he's the champion now, it's on the WWE to
2:20:18
make us care about the people that they put in front of him now as
2:20:22
challengers. You know, if they're just like the AJ styles, one will
2:20:28
get. That was very short notice, you know, there obviously wasn't much
2:20:31
time for build up. But what they gave us in exchange for short or
2:20:35
lack of build up was an excellent match itself. And yeah, that's only
2:20:39
going to get us so far, Like it can't just be a title reign
2:20:43
of just great matches with terrible build up. I agree with you that at
2:20:46
some point they're gonna have to give us some credible challengers to Cody and put
2:20:52
us some opponents in front of him that we think could actually beat him.
2:20:58
But that's on WWE to do's. It's not Cody's responsibility. Yeah, I'm
2:21:03
sorry if it came off that I was putting it on Cody, but it's
2:21:07
just that's you know, I know it's up to Hunter and whoever else his
2:21:13
story booking for him, but it's just like, he has some input in
2:21:18
his character. So if he if he gets like that whole inkling that he
2:21:24
should you know, he's built up this character on his own before he was
2:21:28
at the East, so he should feel like a little bit of an ownership
2:21:30
to be like, hey, I need to do this or I need to
2:21:33
do that type of thing. M h. Yeah, I'm sure he'll have
2:21:37
a degree of credit of input in terms of how his characters book. You
2:21:43
know, pretty much anybody who's at the top of the company has that.
2:21:46
So yeah, he should keep him. I guess when whatever input he offers,
2:21:52
he should bear in mind that, you know, his he's just as
2:21:58
much as I say it's on w you need to book him with strong,
2:22:03
credible opponents. He also, Cody also needs to realize that I'm only as
2:22:07
good as the person across the ring from me, you know, so he
2:22:13
needs to he does have a role to play in making his challengers credible and
2:22:18
building them up and making them look good alongside him, because that will in
2:22:24
turn benefit him. You know, doesn't do him any benefit any good if
2:22:30
he's like Cody Rose defending the title against Austin Theory at the next pl e
2:22:35
and you know, Austin Theories made to look like a fool the entire build
2:22:41
up, Yeah, that doesn't do anything for Cody. And then yeah,
2:22:46
nobody's gonna be interested in imagine everybody like Cody's gonna squash Austin Theory. This
2:22:50
is pointless, this is stupid, and his reign is gonna look weak,
2:22:52
and he'll look weak by comparison. But if he can do that, but
2:22:58
if he can be booked against again like an Austin Theory type person, but
2:23:01
he can make Austin Theory look like an actual threat to him, you know,
2:23:05
they can make Austin Theory look like, oh maybe Austin Theory's time has
2:23:09
come. Maybe we're sitting here like I don't know, Austin Theory got some
2:23:13
momentum. He on the come up. You know, he been racking up
2:23:16
these wins or whatever over the last couple weeks or whatever. He been beat
2:23:20
this person, beat that person. He out here giving Cody the business.
2:23:24
Then we might have an interest in thinking maybe Theory gets a surprise win or
2:23:28
something, but that just only serves to benefit Cody by making his opponent look
2:23:33
strong. So yeah, it's it's not all on WW. Cody does have
2:23:39
a role to play in it as well, but I think it's mo I
2:23:43
would say it's like seventy thirty, maybe sixty forty, but mostly the WWE,
2:23:50
but some on Cody as well to make his opponents look good in terms
2:23:54
of whatever input he has into how the booking and storyline going into the match.
2:24:03
One last thing I want to add in here, I think it would
2:24:07
have been very interesting, since they don't have anything going right now, if
2:24:13
they would have had the Good Brothers kind of interferre, not like cause Cody
2:24:18
the match, but just get into the match a little bit, because right
2:24:22
now I think they're like in NXT or they're trying to like challenge the titles,
2:24:26
but it would have been able to tie in that Bullet Club storyline a
2:24:31
little bit more about the OC guys. Yeah, oh, I don't know.
2:24:37
I mean he's AJ is pretty much walked away from NOM, so that
2:24:41
seems to be just over and done with, where it's just whatever's left of
2:24:46
the OC is basically just media YIM and Carl Anderson and Louke Gallows. Yes,
2:24:54
I think that's just what have been something I think would have been something
2:24:58
to give him to do, because because they would have at least given us
2:25:01
maybe one more shot of AJ trying to go and maybe we'll still get something
2:25:07
not similar to that. Maybe they'll run it again for the Saudi people,
2:25:11
but you know who knows, because it was Yeah, I could see this
2:25:16
maybe continuing for another uh P l E and maybe they drag it out further.
2:25:22
I just don't see where again OC figure figures into this, because they
2:25:26
see that seems to have been clearly separated at this point, like they're not
2:25:31
even doing the whole thing anymore, where it's like, AJ, what's wrong
2:25:33
with you? Where you at? What are you doing? Like they seem
2:25:37
to have just made that break clean as can be, so I don't.
2:25:39
It wouldn't have made much to me. It wouldn't have made any sense for
2:25:41
them to show up in this match now unless there's some sort of reconciliation that
2:25:50
happens afterwards where he brings them back into the fold, But then that wouldn't
2:25:56
mean that they would have to become heels at this point. I don't know
2:25:58
if that's where they want to go out there with it. I think those
2:26:03
is just kind of kind of dead. I hate to said, but you're
2:26:07
kind of dead. I mean, obviously, it still technically exists. We
2:26:11
just saw they were drafted as a collective, the two of them, and
2:26:16
and me and me and young were drafted to smack down as a collective.
2:26:20
But excuse me, at this point, it seems like they're just kind of
2:26:26
bottom mid guard at this point, which I kind of hate for all of
2:26:31
them because none of them are terrible workers. They deserve better, but they
2:26:35
just they just there's nothing for them together. I never understood why me and
2:26:41
you was put with them in the first place to begin with, but yeah,
2:26:46
that's just me. Well that was I think two was brought into like
2:26:52
go against was it Ria? Yeah, I think at the time she was
2:26:56
brought in just as out of Yeah, I think that's when AJ was still
2:27:00
feuding with Judgment Day and then she was brought in, but it still didn't
2:27:03
She just never seemed like a proper fit. It was like they just we
2:27:07
need a woman in here to go against Riha and they throw a dart at
2:27:11
the wall and they hit me again. Like to me, her character just
2:27:18
never seemed to like fit in with them. I don't know that they had
2:27:22
any pre existing history with each other or anything. I don't see anything on
2:27:28
social media between them or at all, Like I don't know, just see
2:27:33
To me, it always struck me as just random. It's just like plugging
2:27:37
a name and just because and let's hope it works. And you know,
2:27:43
they tried their best to make it work. But to me, it just
2:27:46
I never felt any chemistry there and never felt like any kind of fit at
2:27:52
least, not like how you know, Ria and Damien have made Judgment Day
2:27:56
work and there seemed to be at least some sort of some sort of chemistry,
2:28:01
some sort of fit there. There was like okay, we can kind
2:28:05
of understand this working. I never got that sense from me being with the
2:28:09
OLC mhm. Any thoughts, Wayne, No for anything else. No,
2:28:18
I'm good. I definitely have no thoughts about the oh C or medium to
2:28:24
wrap up my show how we wind up on that sidetrack there. But you
2:28:35
know what, uh Tra, do you have anything you want to plug?
2:28:41
Nothing particular at this moment. Just as always, y'all know where to find
2:28:45
me in the discord. Yeah, Carlos, come on, man, what
2:28:50
do you got to plug? What do you got? Right now? We're
2:28:56
still kind of like in a WrestleMania hangover, were you know? I did
2:29:03
kind of, like I guess, overextended my wife's like attention span to wrestling,
2:29:11
so she's decompressing. And then we had all these things. It was
2:29:16
her birthday, it was my son's birthday, and so I think we were
2:29:24
shooting. Yeah, thank you let her know that you said your well wishes,
2:29:31
and right now I think we will. I think we're shooting for something.
2:29:37
Then we might put up a pre recorded one either on the eighteenth or
2:29:43
the nineteenth. We're gonna go ahead and just kind of ease her back in
2:29:48
and maybe just watch maybe a Helen a cell between Bailey and Sasha Banks,
2:29:52
and so it goes from there before we bring her into watching finishing her WrestleMania
2:30:01
journey, making it back all the way to forty nice. Yeah, dude,
2:30:09
I can't wait. If you ever need a guy, I'm your man.
2:30:15
Yeah, definitely. So just like you, guys are always welcome.
2:30:18
We have an open invitation. I think they only have, like I think
2:30:24
already said he was in for thirty two, So that's the only I think.
2:30:30
No, there's two other ones that's been called, so I don't remember
2:30:33
it off the top of my end, but I know Doyle has thirty two.
2:30:39
All right. With that said, if you want to contact me,
2:30:45
you can find me on Twitter at semi dry Chicken or on the discord at
2:30:50
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2:30:58
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2:31:03
our social media, everything, all the episodes, they're all right there.
2:31:09
I'm actually starting to spend a little bit more time looking into the Twitter.
2:31:13
I'll be a little bit more on there and the YouTube channel where I have
2:31:18
everything at semi dry Chicken. Yeah, guys, you know what I'm thinking,
2:31:26
Like maybe next week we're probably gonna do like a news dump episode because
2:31:31
there's a lot of shit going on and we're probably just gonna have to do
2:31:33
a whole separate episode of Just News. So we'll just shoot the shit next
2:31:39
week. Have an open mic if you want to be on. Let me
2:31:41
know. Guys, Drey, we got to go back to France. We
2:31:46
gotta get Doyle Man media. All right, understand dates, you got us
2:32:13
in your bitcher Ball, decide to keep you sick. But when will stop
2:32:18
getting broken? You stop questioning your I said, was saying, You'll say,
2:32:28
hey, I half before I stand aswer not that to you, He
2:32:37
says, say don't snash his tail team something from it. They wait in
2:33:24
a two. I didn't send anything down there. That sure, nobody move
2:33:50
down the cage, you know, move down? Naomi basking in the globe.
2:34:24
The w W E faithful tonight at Backlash, and Naomi is still eager
2:34:31
to prove that she is better than she's ever been. The only set a
2:34:35
record in this year's Royal Rumble when she lasts in a minute I should take
2:34:39
one hour, two minutes, ten seconds, a record that only lasted for
2:34:43
a few moments before Bailey would break it, going on to win the rubble
2:34:48
Lash and the w W win a championship in WrestleMania. Several weeks back,
2:34:58
Bailey and Naomi word in competition until everything was spoiled by Tiffany Strand. So
2:35:07
hey, wait a good takes. It's just okay, stand, it's just
2:35:20
ok I have this royal fan. What about don't give me time? Not
2:37:24
because he said everything? We want the joy jumping again day when by m
2:38:28
BA this is France's third largest city. Welcome to Leio. This is the
2:39:09
largest gate you any arena show in w W history. This is w W
2:39:18
e backlash. If they want to bowl, I'm ready came off. I'll
2:39:24
call from the struggle a level, the trouble lash, the great fight.
2:39:28
Yes, kicking the dogs, kicking the dog in the cloricle for the moon.
2:39:33
I can give you a talk if they want to Jalloa that comagrother seaking
2:39:41
of co a smiling face, honeymore, kicking the dog in the cloricle for
2:39:46
the moon. I can give you a talk if they want to bottle wonder
2:39:54
best playing that, Da says a k O Day a triple threat match.
2:40:03
The first woman to gain pitfaller submission will win the w W A women's title
2:40:09
kicking a dog, kicking a dog for the moon. I can give you
2:40:13
a talk. If they want to bottle, I'm ready for all. I'll
2:40:16
call from the struggling level, the trouble. I've been in a fool,
2:40:20
barely God could a tool, ex smiling faith, honeymore ye, kicking the
2:40:24
dog for the moon. I can give you a talk all that course here,
2:40:35
that is fair. I'll go from the struggling level, the trouble.
2:40:39
I've been in a fool. I'm done that. I'm secret of too ex
2:40:41
smiling faith anymore, and valor that a spare the pallor the course three out
2:40:46
of one out here. If they want to bottle, I'm ready for Damian
2:40:50
priest for tame. Damien priests not a clear I want to do this on
2:40:56
my own. They can only be one number. Gives taken off stand up.
2:41:07
Stand you can never sept take because give it U stand. You only
2:41:45
can only be one number. Give me some to take it off. Stands
2:41:52
you are the worlds dumbest. Sun up a bit, damn and day out.
2:42:00
For almost six years, I improved everybody in the world that I am
2:42:05
the best on this microphone in that break even in commentary nobody can touch me.
2:42:11
You are not cleanly. Far. It's because the street puppets and we
2:42:20
watch the pon Yourn talk about your songs, talk about John three sixteen Mobstep
2:42:30
three sixteen says I just whipped your ass. Well, let me tell you,
2:42:35
fucking brother, Far w New Day Queen, Praise to the top all
2:42:50
year, my true man this year. Welcome to the Kevin Owen Show.
2:42:56
Lately he just hasn't been Harry Hucy because I about this and I so don't
2:43:15
rotten bastes. Bye bye. It's