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Speaker 1: Line from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 1: Welcome to another week on the Kenny Report. Maybe it'll
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Speaker 1: be a campaign week next week. But tonight, with the
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Speaker 1: world still reeling from that blow up between the Ukrainian
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Speaker 1: President and Donald Trump in the White House, I'll break
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Speaker 1: it down. I'll get expert analysis and we'll cross to
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Speaker 1: the Ukrainian capital Kiev. Also the Israeli hostage, starved and
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Speaker 1: tortured by Humas, who'll be at the White House this
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Speaker 1: week to share his ordeal and lobby for those still held.
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Speaker 1: I'll also introduce you to the woman being touted as
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Speaker 1: our next prime minister seriously, and i'll get polling another
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Speaker 1: analysis from John Black as we wait for the election
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Speaker 1: to be called, probably this Sunday. Well that plus Sophie
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Speaker 1: Orsworth in London and Gemyton UNI and Caroline Drusso, both
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Speaker 1: in Perth just five days out from their state election.
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Speaker 1: Let's get cracking. If you ever wanted to see the
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Speaker 1: complete disconnect between the leftist elites and reality, if you
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Speaker 1: ever wanted to see the dangerous and idiotic ignorance of
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Speaker 1: the leftist elites, you only have to contrast a few
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Speaker 1: events over the past few days at the gay and
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Speaker 1: lesbian Mardi Gras in Sydney, people who would be thrown
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Speaker 1: off the nearest rooftop by the anti gay Islamist extremists
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Speaker 1: of Hummus idiotically promoted its anti Israeli cause. Turkey's promoting Christmas.
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Speaker 1: That's what this is. And some of the virtue signalers
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Speaker 1: at the OSCARS today, including Ossiakta Guy Pearce, wore free
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Speaker 1: Palestine badgers, urging freedom for a country that's never existed,
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Speaker 1: making arguments that can only provide propaganda support to the
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Speaker 1: terrorist groups who launched a bloodthirsty invasion into Israel seventeen
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Speaker 1: months ago. Hummas would slaughter the Hollywood liberals for them
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Speaker 1: hedonistic lifestyles, but they are useful idiots for the cause anyway.
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Speaker 1: If they had any humanity, everyone at the OSCARS would
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Speaker 1: have ruled worn ribbons for the hostages, because also in
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Speaker 1: the past few days we've heard from a hostage and
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Speaker 1: Israeli freed last month after almost five hundred days in
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Speaker 1: a living hell in the hands of Hamas In Gaza
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Speaker 1: Eli Sharabi described his ordeals starting with the first few
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Speaker 1: days the.
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Speaker 2: Games to push Mabetmadema and.
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Speaker 1: Alem US. President Donald Trump saw some of the interview,
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Speaker 1: and the US President has now invited Sharabi and other
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Speaker 1: released hostages to a meeting in the White House this week.
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Speaker 1: In his interview, Sharabi described the torture of starvation.
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Speaker 3: Exactly lor Buckley Peter.
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Speaker 1: Tell Mama, Yeah. While the usual activists wrongly accused Israel
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Speaker 1: of starving Palestinians, hostages were being starved and tortured in
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Speaker 1: Gaza every day, and they still are. Sharabi was asked
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Speaker 1: why he decided to be interviewed.
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Speaker 2: They met, they made.
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Speaker 4: So lair.
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Speaker 1: He was held by Hamas with twenty four year old
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Speaker 1: Alon o'hel, who was taken hostage at the Nova Music
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Speaker 1: Festival during the October the seventh atrocity. The pair formed
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Speaker 1: a close bond and o'hel is left behind.
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Speaker 2: CA facility again with.
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Speaker 4: Yeah much.
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Speaker 1: Imagine the Traumae. Hummus still holds more than fifty hostages,
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Speaker 1: about half of them are alive, the rest have been killed,
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Speaker 1: their bodies held for abhorrent prisoner swap deals. And at
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Speaker 1: the oscars and in our streets, people protest not for
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Speaker 1: the release of the hostages, but for the unreasonable demands
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Speaker 1: of their captors and around the world, including from our
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Speaker 1: taxpayer fund. At ABC, we get news coverage that considers
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Speaker 1: the words of an Islamist extremist terrorist organization worth reporting,
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Speaker 1: even while it holds hostages and the bodies of hostages.
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Speaker 1: Yet they help Hummus to lecture the world about international law.
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Speaker 5: There's already been considerable debate over the last sixteen months
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Speaker 5: about whether or not decisions to withhold aid in the
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Speaker 5: past or to limit the amount of aid going into
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Speaker 5: Gaza in the past has amounted to a breach of
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Speaker 5: international law and indeed could be argued in the future
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Speaker 5: as indicative of the Israeli government committing further war crimes
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Speaker 5: in Gaza. Hamas has responded. They've said that this is callous,
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Speaker 5: that this is this amounts to a breach of international law.
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Speaker 1: Just extraordinary. Do these people ever stop and think about
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Speaker 1: what they're saying, parroting the propaganda of a terrorist outfit
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Speaker 1: that kidnaps mothers and children and kills them and then
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Speaker 1: bargains with their bodies to free more of its murderous cohort,
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Speaker 1: and they quote these people on who is breaching international law.
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Speaker 1: This is literally insane. This is an insult to international law,
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Speaker 1: to human morality and common decency. Now to that blow
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Speaker 1: up in the White House, the Oval Office has seen
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Speaker 1: nothing like it, at least not with cameras and journalists
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Speaker 1: in the room. But even though this involves a real
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Speaker 1: war in Europe that has claimed as many as a
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Speaker 1: million lives and is still raging, we've got nonsense like
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Speaker 1: this from journalists.
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Speaker 6: Why don't you wear a suit?
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Speaker 7: Right?
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Speaker 1: Why don't you wear a suit?
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Speaker 7: You're the highest level in this country's offens and you
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Speaker 7: refuse to wear a suit.
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Speaker 6: I just want to see if you do own a suit.
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Speaker 5: Ye.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, problems Americans, I don't have.
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Speaker 8: I will wear a costume after this war we'll finish. Yes,
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Speaker 8: maybe maybe maybe it's something like yours. Yes, maybe it's
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Speaker 8: something something better. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Never mind that Elon Musk turns up in the same office,
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Speaker 1: talks to the President and the media in casual clothes,
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Speaker 1: in a baseball cap, and now protesters have taken it
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Speaker 1: upon themselves to target US Vice President JD. Vance and
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Speaker 1: his family while on a skiing vacation in Vermont.
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Speaker 9: I really believe that the way to fight fascism, which
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Speaker 9: is what this says, is to stand together to not
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Speaker 9: let them divide us.
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Speaker 1: This is horrible stuff the left just love to hate.
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Speaker 1: But back to the core of the Oval Office argument.
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Speaker 1: The question, the question that's triggering reactions around the world still,
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Speaker 1: and that is whether or not Donald Trump is more
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Speaker 1: on side with Russian dictator Vladimir Putin than he is
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Speaker 1: with his weekend guest, Ukraine President Vladimir Zelenski.
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Speaker 5: Well, if I.
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Speaker 7: Didn't align myself with both of them, you'd never have
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Speaker 7: a deal. You want me to say really things about
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Speaker 7: Putin and then say, Hi, Vladimir, how are we doing
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Speaker 7: on the deal?
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Speaker 10: That doesn't work that way. I'm not aligned with Putin.
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Speaker 10: I'm not aligned with anybody. I'm aligned with the United
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Speaker 10: States of America and for the good of the world.
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Speaker 10: I'm aligned with the world, and I want to get
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Speaker 10: this thing over with. You see the hatred he's got
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Speaker 10: for Putin.
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Speaker 7: It's very tough for me to make a deal with
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Speaker 7: that kind of Hey, he's got tremendous hatred and I
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Speaker 7: understand that. But I can tell you the other side
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Speaker 7: isn't exactly in love with you know him e there,
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Speaker 7: So it's not a question of alignment.
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Speaker 1: I have to I'm aligned with the world. Now, all
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Speaker 1: that's fair enough. If the president is to negotiate an
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Speaker 1: enduring peace, he does need to deal with both sides.
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Speaker 1: Yet Trump seems to think he shares a special bond
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Speaker 1: with Putin, ironically enough, because of the old and discredited
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Speaker 1: Democrat and media conspiracy theory that he was a Putin puppet.
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Speaker 11: Asking what if Russia brings the ceasefire?
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Speaker 12: They what of anything?
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Speaker 1: What if a bomb drops on your head?
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Speaker 7: Right now? Okay? What if they broke it?
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Speaker 6: I don't know.
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Speaker 7: They broke it with Biden because Biden didn't respect him.
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Speaker 7: They didn't respect Obama. They respect me. Let me tell you,
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Speaker 7: Putin went through a hell of a lot with me.
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Speaker 7: He went through a phony witch hunt where they used
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Speaker 7: him and Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia. You ever hear of
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Speaker 7: that deal. There was a phony. There was a phony
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Speaker 7: hunter Biden, Joe Biden scam.
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Speaker 1: Now if that triggered a special bond, then that's a worry.
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Speaker 1: Trump should fill more solidarity with Zelenski, a man who
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Speaker 1: was democratically elected and is defending his country against an
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Speaker 1: unprovoked invasion. In the three years since Russia invaded Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: that country's courage at keeping the invaders at bay has
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Speaker 1: been lauded and supported by the West as a crucial
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Speaker 1: battle to defend Europe and international norms. Yet no NATO
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Speaker 1: nation will put boots on the ground in Ukraine. The
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Speaker 1: line has been drawn at sending weapons, equipment and other
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Speaker 1: aid into Ukraine, not fighting alongside it. So let's put
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Speaker 1: aside some of the overreaction. Trump's unorthodox style and over
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Speaker 1: the top retric always draws over reactions. There are a
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Speaker 1: couple of points to be made about this meeting. First,
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Speaker 1: it was the sort of tough talking diplomacy that needs
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Speaker 1: to happen, but it's usually left behind closed doors. What
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Speaker 1: was bizarre was that had happened in the open, with
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Speaker 1: the media being active players in the debate. That's dangerous
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Speaker 1: and can be counterproductive, obviously, but the reality did need
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Speaker 1: to be laid out. Yes, Russia did seize crimea Ukrainian
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Speaker 1: territory back in twenty fourteen when Barack Obama was in
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Speaker 1: the White House, and while the world condemned it, the
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Speaker 1: US only hit back with sanctions. No one can blame
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Speaker 1: Trump for that weakness, which clearly encouraged Putin to invite
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Speaker 1: the rest of you Crime I'm theer president Joe Biden's
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Speaker 1: watch three years ago. What this meeting didn't need was
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Speaker 1: the vice president injecting himself as some kind of enforcer.
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Speaker 1: So it's a president with respect.
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Speaker 11: I think it's disrespectful for you to come to the
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Speaker 11: Oval Office to try to litigate this in front of.
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Speaker 1: The American media.
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Speaker 11: Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts
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Speaker 11: to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You
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Speaker 11: should be thanking the president for to bring it into
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Speaker 11: this country.
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Speaker 8: I've been to Ukraine that do you say what problems
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Speaker 8: we have?
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Speaker 1: I have been to come once.
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Speaker 11: I've actually I've actually watched and seen the stories, and
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Speaker 11: I know what happens is you bring people, you bring
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Speaker 11: them on a propaganda tour. Mister President, are do you
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Speaker 11: disagree that you've had problems bringing people into your military
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Speaker 11: and do you.
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Speaker 1: Think that it's respectful.
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Speaker 11: I'm to come to the Oval Office of the United
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Speaker 11: States of America and attack the administration that is trying
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Speaker 11: to prevent the destruction of your country.
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Speaker 4: A lot of questions. Let's start from the beginning.
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Speaker 8: First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you,
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Speaker 8: But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but
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Speaker 8: you will feel it in the future.
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Speaker 1: You don't know that, God bless you're not blessed.
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Speaker 10: You don't know.
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Speaker 7: Don't tell us what we're gonna feel. We're trying to
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Speaker 7: solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're gonna feel.
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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you because you're in no position to
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Speaker 1: dictate that.
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Speaker 7: Remember this, you're in no position to dictate what we're
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Speaker 7: gonna feel.
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Speaker 1: We're going to feel very good, feel influenced.
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Speaker 7: We're gonna feel very good and very strong.
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Speaker 8: It will feel influence.
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Speaker 7: You're right now not in a very good position. You've
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Speaker 7: allowed you to be beginning from the very beginning of
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Speaker 7: the war, not in a good position. You don't have
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Speaker 7: the cards right now with us. You start having cards
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Speaker 7: right now.
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Speaker 1: You don't wear your.
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Speaker 7: Playing You're gambling with the lives of millions of people.
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Speaker 7: Think you're gambling with World War three. You're gambling with
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Speaker 7: World War three.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was disturbing and frightening stuff. The whole world
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Speaker 1: knows Ukraine, excuse me, the whole world knows Ukraine needs
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Speaker 1: the support of the West and the US. That's why
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Speaker 1: Zelenski was there. Still, when you look at how uk
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister Kirk Starma and other NATO leaders are now
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Speaker 1: embracing Zelenski, even promising troops. You can see some good
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Speaker 1: has already come from Trump's blow up. A stronger contribution
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Speaker 1: from European nations is something Ukraine and the US have
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Speaker 1: long wanted, and it certainly doesn't please Moscow. So that's
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Speaker 1: good news, but nothing explains why Trump seemed so keen
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Speaker 1: to rub Zelensky's face in his own country's vulnerability.
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Speaker 7: The problem is, I've empowered you to be a tough guy,
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Speaker 7: and I don't think you'd be a tough guy without
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Speaker 7: the United States. And your people are very brave. But
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Speaker 7: you're either going to make a deal or we're out.
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Speaker 7: And if we're out, you'll fight it out. I don't
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Speaker 7: think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out.
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Speaker 7: But you don't have the cards. But once we sign
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Speaker 7: that deal, you're in a much better position. But you're
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Speaker 7: not acting at all thankful, and that's not a nice thing.
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Speaker 7: I'll be honest, that's not a nice thing. All right,
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Speaker 7: I think we've seen enough. What do you think this
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Speaker 7: is going to be great television? I will say that.
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Speaker 1: Always the theater hy and always the solf obsession, but
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Speaker 1: always a deal in mind. We can't fairly judge what's
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Speaker 1: going on here until we see the shape of a deal,
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Speaker 1: whether Trump sells out Ukraine as many fear, or whether
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Speaker 1: this charade is about ensuring that Vladimir Putin is not
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Speaker 1: presented with nothing but a humiliating defeat that he can't accept.
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Speaker 1: Many fear the worst, Others hope for the best. Nobody
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Speaker 1: really knows for now, after three years of quagmire. Ukraine
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Speaker 1: wants to repel Russia, but Trump wants a deal. Let's
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Speaker 1: get some expert analysis of all this with Michael Schubridge
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Speaker 1: with Strategic Analysis Australia, joins me live from camera. Michael,
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Speaker 1: you would have watched this and mulled over every word.
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Speaker 1: Tell me exactly what's going on here and who's that fault?
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Speaker 13: Well, Chris, I don't think anyone in that room, whether
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Speaker 13: it was Zelenski, Trump or Vance, thought it was going
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Speaker 13: to go as it did. So it went wrong, and
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Speaker 13: I think the most disturbing thing for me. You covered
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Speaker 13: it a bit in your analysis at the start, was
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Speaker 13: this idea from Donald Trump that he and Putin have
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Speaker 13: had some seed, personal searing, personal experience because of the
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Speaker 13: investigations into potential Russian interference around Trump's selection. That might
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Speaker 13: have been really important to Donald Trump and a deep
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Speaker 13: personal experience, but it's not something where Putin would feel
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Speaker 13: any bonding. He'd be laughing about the whole thing. And
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Speaker 13: to bring that personal view of Putin right into the
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Speaker 13: middle of a critical international security issue, I don't think
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Speaker 13: that's got anything but bad news all over it. You're
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Speaker 13: right that the Europeans are stepping up, but without an
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Speaker 13: American security guarantee.
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Speaker 1: Putin will laugh at that too.
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Speaker 13: You know, thirty thousand European troops in Ukraine trying to
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Speaker 13: watch what's going on without the backing of America. That's
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Speaker 13: a deal Putinent love.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, it is hell of a worry. This going
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Speaker 1: back to that at the personal bond that Trump thinks,
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Speaker 1: he has to think that his personality, his egos at
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Speaker 1: the center of all this is is such a worry.
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Speaker 1: But when we talk about a deal, right, if you're
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Speaker 1: if you're Ukraine, you want to go back to your
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Speaker 1: pre existing borders? Is is there anything Ukraine would be
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Speaker 1: prepared to give up? But are they prepared to give
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Speaker 1: up Crimea or the donbas Any territory or not, and
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Speaker 1: if not, then what sort of a deal can Trump
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Speaker 1: possibly do? Well?
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Speaker 13: Right now, remember the deal that those three were talking about.
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Speaker 13: There wasn't a ceasefire deal, wasn't a peace deal. It
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Speaker 13: was Trump demanding Ukraine handover its natural mineral wealth as
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Speaker 13: some kind of back payment for American support.
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Speaker 1: So far, so this idea there's a deal on the table,
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Speaker 1: that's not how it is.
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Speaker 13: This is about Trump saying you give me this and
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Speaker 13: then we can start doing business. But I think what
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Speaker 13: Putin wants is just right. So yes, Selenski will have
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Speaker 13: to compromise, but giving Putin the farm and handing over
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Speaker 13: of Ukraine's natural wealth to Trump as the price for
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Speaker 13: him cutting a deal that doesn't look like it would
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Speaker 13: work out well for Ukraine in any way.
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Speaker 1: Well, the pleasing use from the Australian foreign policy point
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Speaker 1: of view is that there's bipartisan support on this. Here's
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister today.
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Speaker 14: People would also be aware of the government's strong statements
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Speaker 14: that we have made in support of Ukraine. We regard
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Speaker 14: these as an issue of doing what right, but also
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Speaker 14: what is in Australia's national interest. We've contributed one to
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Speaker 14: a half billion dollars of support, one point three billion
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Speaker 14: dollars of which is military support.
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Speaker 15: The world needs to unite behind President Zelenski to stand
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Speaker 15: up against a murder's dictator in Vladimir Putin. And Vladimir
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Speaker 15: Putin has no regard for human life. He's demonstrated that
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Speaker 15: with his own people, let alone what he's done against
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Speaker 15: the Ukrainian Ukrainian people. So we stand very strongly behind
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Speaker 15: and with Presidents Lynske, and we've done that proudly from
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Speaker 15: day one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so both leaders there strongly behind this. But in
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Speaker 1: the same vein of what you were saying about the
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Speaker 1: European nations stepping up, Michael, no matter what military aid
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Speaker 1: Australia sends, it's going to be pointless in Ukraine without
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Speaker 1: US support.
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Speaker 13: Well, yes, but it will still help the Ukrainians. Remember,
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Speaker 13: the Ukrainians are the strongest military in Western Europe and
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Speaker 13: they have fought Russia to a standstill without a single
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Speaker 13: other country joining them, apart from sending them supplies. There's
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Speaker 13: been far less wealth spent by Europe and America on
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Speaker 13: the Ukraine War than they spent in the Gulf War.
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Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, look just very very quickly suggestions that Labor
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Speaker 1: might be able to get back the Port of Darwin
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Speaker 1: from Chinese interests. That would be a good move if
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Speaker 1: they could put it off, wouldn't it. It'd be a
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Speaker 1: great move.
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Speaker 13: But really, this is like the show that never ends
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Speaker 13: from the Albanesi government, isn't it. So before he was
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Speaker 13: elected he said, oh, yes, we'll sort out Port of Darwin.
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Speaker 1: That's clearly wrong.
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Speaker 13: He commissioned a review with his own department, the quick
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Speaker 13: as a flash told him everything was fine. He should
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Speaker 13: leave the Chinese lease in place, celebrated that off.
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Speaker 1: In Beijing, no doubt. And now we've got murmurs.
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Speaker 13: They're looking at again and they think it was wrong
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Speaker 13: to give the lease to Darwin of Darwinport to the Chinese.
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Speaker 13: How about acting instead of mumbling.
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Speaker 1: That's what I would like to see now. I think
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Speaker 1: they might be reacting to some of the softness over China,
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Speaker 1: trying to muscle up in the lead up to the election.
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Speaker 1: But we shall see. Thanks for joining us, Michael, I
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Michael Schubridge there in Camberan. Now, as we
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Speaker 1: mentioned a couple of weeks ago, Clive Palmer's back in
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Speaker 1: the political fray, launching a new party Trumpet of Patriots
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Speaker 1: or one that he's claimed or reclaimed, and he's trying
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Speaker 1: to emulate success, of course of the leader of the
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Speaker 1: Free World. And just like previous elections, Parner is spending
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Speaker 1: up big on ads, including this one on the cost
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Speaker 1: of living featuring Trumpet of Patriots party leader Suwell and
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Speaker 1: rights and who's described as the country's next Prime minister.
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Speaker 1: Swell And joins me now live in the studio. Good
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Speaker 1: to meet you, Suwell and thanks for joining us, my pleasure. Seriously,
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Speaker 1: you're putting yourself up as the next prime minister of
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Speaker 1: the country. You've never even been in Parliament.
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Speaker 16: Absolutely, look at what we've got now and the bar
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Speaker 16: isn't very high, I must say. And you've got to
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Speaker 16: aim for the stars and hope for the best. And
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Speaker 16: I know the Australian people certainly deserve better than what
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Speaker 16: they have.
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Speaker 1: So the Trumpet of Patriots are running candidates in every
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Speaker 1: seat in the country, then.
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Speaker 16: Yes, absolutely, that's what we're aiming to do. Obviously, we
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Speaker 16: don't have a lot of time left until the election,
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Speaker 16: until the until the gun is fired to start the election,
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Speaker 16: but look we'll have some quality candidates.
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Speaker 1: You reckon you're have a seventy seven winning candidates, so
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Speaker 1: I mean you're having a lend of us. Actually, if
23:05
Speaker 1: you're going to be Prime minister, who's going to be
23:07
Speaker 1: your Treasurer?
23:09
Speaker 16: I will decide that as we go throughout the you'll
23:11
Speaker 16: be a foreign election, we will have a foreign policy Committee, Chris.
23:16
Speaker 1: And you'll need a foreign minister. Who would that person be?
23:19
Speaker 16: It might be me.
23:21
Speaker 1: You'll be Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, perhaps treasury as well.
23:24
Speaker 16: The thing is what we shouldn't do is creator is
23:28
Speaker 16: count our chickens before they hatch.
23:30
Speaker 1: Well exactly. This is why I'm thinking it's a little
23:32
Speaker 1: bit rich for you to be telling the Australian people
23:35
Speaker 1: through a lot of paid advertisements, that you're going to
23:38
Speaker 1: be the next prime minister. It's not realistic.
23:40
Speaker 16: They're looking for somebody else, Chris, and I'm more than
23:42
Speaker 16: happy to be that person. And we just need a
23:45
Speaker 16: sufficient number of Australians to support us and we can
23:49
Speaker 16: make it happen.
23:50
Speaker 1: Indeed, if you had enough votes, it would happen. I
23:52
Speaker 1: have no doubt about that. What I'm saying is the
23:54
Speaker 1: likelihood of it happening is pretty piddling. What about if
23:57
Speaker 1: you were Prime Minister and Foreign Minister. What would your
24:00
Speaker 1: policy be on Ukraine?
24:02
Speaker 16: Ah, well, the weekend has been quite interesting, I might.
24:07
Speaker 1: Add, yes, But what would your policy be?
24:09
Speaker 16: Well, it's something. It's a policy that would be developed
24:12
Speaker 16: with the input of the rest of my team.
24:15
Speaker 1: So make me prime minister with an unknown team, and
24:18
Speaker 1: then after you elect me, we'll work out what our
24:20
Speaker 1: policy is.
24:21
Speaker 16: The policy on Ukraine is that we need peace. The
24:26
Speaker 16: underlying issue in Ukraine is that President Zelenski is running
24:30
Speaker 16: out of soldiers, hundreds of thousands of young Ukrainian men
24:34
Speaker 16: and Russians, I might add a dying on the.
24:37
Speaker 1: Battle well aware of that. That's why I'm asking what
24:39
Speaker 1: your policy would be as Prime Minister and Foreign Minister
24:42
Speaker 1: of Australia. You don't have any policy. You can't tell
24:45
Speaker 1: me what you would do.
24:46
Speaker 16: Let's look at the current state of affairs, because you
24:48
Speaker 16: must assess the current state of affairs before you develop
24:52
Speaker 16: your policy and foreign policy.
24:54
Speaker 1: When you go into an election and putting yourself up
24:56
Speaker 1: as prime minister, you've got to have a policy to
24:59
Speaker 1: make you Let's go to energy policy in Australia. What's
25:04
Speaker 1: your policy on nuclear energy?
25:06
Speaker 16: Well, the cost of living is absolutely crushing Australians.
25:09
Speaker 1: Yes it is, But what's your policy on nuclear energy?
25:11
Speaker 16: Get it tomorrow, lift the ban in the first week
25:15
Speaker 16: of parliament when i'm the PM.
25:17
Speaker 1: All right, so you're all on board for nuclear energy
25:19
Speaker 1: getting rid of the band. Would you support the government
25:21
Speaker 1: funding of nuclear energy or would you leave it to
25:23
Speaker 1: the private sector?
25:24
Speaker 16: Leave it to the private sector, because just govern the
25:27
Speaker 16: government are hopeless at delivering projects. If we left it
25:30
Speaker 16: up to the government, it would take far too long
25:33
Speaker 16: and cost five times the amount. So leave it up
25:37
Speaker 16: to the experts.
25:38
Speaker 1: And what about renewable energy? Then you'd get rid of
25:40
Speaker 1: all the subsidies and all support for renewal energy.
25:43
Speaker 16: Well, look, the capacity Investment scheme is not something that
25:46
Speaker 16: is in the interest of Australians. It's in the interest
25:49
Speaker 16: of these proponents of the renewable sector projects.
25:53
Speaker 1: So how would we power the nation while we waited
25:55
Speaker 1: for nuclear plants to be built?
25:57
Speaker 16: Cole, Let's do what we're doing now, Let's do what
25:59
Speaker 16: we Let's do what we've done for decades. That has
26:03
Speaker 16: given us reliable base load power. It keeps the lights
26:07
Speaker 16: on and it lets us stand on our own two feet.
26:10
Speaker 1: All right, So you know, you know what you'd like
26:12
Speaker 1: to do in energy? What about the budget? Yes, do
26:17
Speaker 1: you think we would need to cut government spending and
26:19
Speaker 1: get the budget back into surplus. How deeply would you
26:22
Speaker 1: cut spending in your first term.
26:24
Speaker 16: The only way that you could identify how much you
26:27
Speaker 16: need to cut is to identify the wiste. And if
26:31
Speaker 16: you have a look at what Elon Musk has done
26:33
Speaker 16: in the United States, he has done a superb job
26:36
Speaker 16: of identifying.
26:37
Speaker 1: Well, he hasn't really got rid of any yet, but
26:39
Speaker 1: he's talked a lot. But what have you identified as
26:42
Speaker 1: waste in the current system? Do we need a federal
26:46
Speaker 1: education Department?
26:47
Speaker 16: Look, the minute we identify the waste, we can cut
26:51
Speaker 16: it and we can redirect those funds to areas.
26:54
Speaker 1: You want to be prime minister, you want to identify
26:56
Speaker 1: some of the wasst.
26:57
Speaker 16: Okay, I'll give you an example. I've just spoken of
26:59
Speaker 16: the Pacity Investment scheme. The other thing that is completely
27:03
Speaker 16: unnecessary is sixty million dollars worth of government grants being
27:08
Speaker 16: sent across to Western Australia to a university to research
27:12
Speaker 16: how the offshore wing farms are suction capped to the scene.
27:15
Speaker 1: There's sixty million. There's sixty million you probably want to
27:19
Speaker 1: cut about sixty billion, but how much does the capital
27:22
Speaker 1: the capacity investment scheme? How much will that save?
27:25
Speaker 16: Well, we've got to have a look at how much
27:27
Speaker 16: is being paid to these renewable proponents. Well, well, no,
27:33
Speaker 16: I guess you need to look at the details, Chris,
27:35
Speaker 16: and understand the details.
27:37
Speaker 1: I'm not running to be prime minister. Before you can
27:39
Speaker 1: come up with I'm not running to be we are
27:42
Speaker 1: nearly out of time. Do you want to just do
27:44
Speaker 1: you just want to be honest, I'm not.
27:47
Speaker 16: Going to be here. I'm you about. I have a
27:51
Speaker 16: passion and a love for this contry. I stand up
27:54
Speaker 16: and fight for it.
27:55
Speaker 1: So I am anyone putting themselves up. But you've got
27:57
Speaker 1: a level with people and say I'm not going to
27:59
Speaker 1: be time minister. I don't have a treasurer or a
28:02
Speaker 1: foreign minister. I don't even have a lot of policies.
28:05
Speaker 1: Just vote me in and I'll see what I can do.
28:07
Speaker 16: Well, let's get the election called and I'd be happy
28:09
Speaker 16: to come back on your program and discuss this further.
28:12
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, we'll do that. We'll see how we go,
28:14
Speaker 1: and the election I think will be called Sunday. We'll
28:15
Speaker 1: see how we go. Thanks for joy Swell and the
28:17
Speaker 1: rights and there we'll be running in the seat of Hunter,
28:20
Speaker 1: a Labor held seat in the Hunter Valley in New
28:22
Speaker 1: South Wales. We better get to a break. On the
28:24
Speaker 1: other side of that, I'm going to check you in
28:26
Speaker 1: on the polling from John Blacks, some analysis from him
28:29
Speaker 1: on what the polls are telling us as the election's
28:32
Speaker 1: about to be called. Yeah, of course we're still on
28:39
Speaker 1: election watch. I keep saying mark April the twelfth in
28:42
Speaker 1: your diary. That would mean the Prime Minister calls it
28:44
Speaker 1: this Sunday for April the twelfth. A new poll of
28:47
Speaker 1: voters in twenty marginal seats by Redbridge has found that
28:50
Speaker 1: thirty one percent of respondents believe Peter Dutton is the
28:54
Speaker 1: best person to manage our relationship with the United States,
28:57
Speaker 1: well ahead of the PM on twenty two percent. Let's
29:00
Speaker 1: bring in expert number crunch or former Labour sentator John
29:03
Speaker 1: Black live from Brisbane. Good to talk to you again,
29:05
Speaker 1: John Gee. With all that kerfuffle in the Oval Office
29:08
Speaker 1: over the weekend and so much focus on what's going
29:12
Speaker 1: to happen with the US and Ukraine and as well
29:15
Speaker 1: as what's happening in our region with China, This is palpable. Really,
29:19
Speaker 1: who will handle that US relationship best? When you look
29:22
Speaker 1: at the number of people who say both, I suppose
29:25
Speaker 1: you've really got to if you give that to both
29:27
Speaker 1: of the contenders, you've got sort of Dott at fifty
29:29
Speaker 1: two as against alb and Easy at forty two. So
29:33
Speaker 1: it's a reasonable lead for him, I suppose, well it is.
29:37
Speaker 4: And you've got to acknowledge that Trump is a wildcard
29:40
Speaker 4: in this election and in a lot of other elections
29:43
Speaker 4: around the world. The actions that he undertakes are pretty unpredictable.
29:49
Speaker 4: They're pretty much self absorbed, and he sees himself on
29:52
Speaker 4: the stage and everybody else's mere meretricious players. You never
29:56
Speaker 4: know what he's going to say, what he's going to do,
29:58
Speaker 4: and what the implications are going to be. So a
30:01
Speaker 4: steady hand on the tiller back in Australia would be useful,
30:04
Speaker 4: and Dunton does have a lead there, you know.
30:07
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton's obviously got a strong record as he's been
30:10
Speaker 1: a Defense minister, he's been a Home Affairs minister, he's
30:14
Speaker 1: helped to keep our borders secure. He's seen as a
30:17
Speaker 1: strong man labor of often attacked him as being heartless.
30:20
Speaker 1: But I suppose that polling it plays that, doesn't it
30:24
Speaker 1: that the Dunton has seen is strong and how but
30:26
Speaker 1: easy on many of these issues highlighted by the China fleet.
30:30
Speaker 1: Last week is seen as week well he.
30:33
Speaker 4: Is, and it's not simply the pole that you're talking about.
30:35
Speaker 4: I think there was another one from Resolve The City
30:38
Speaker 4: Morning Herald Pole had had very similar a finding. So
30:42
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister is deadly regarded as weak in terms
30:45
Speaker 4: of leadership capacity, which is pretty damning really.
30:50
Speaker 1: Now the Western Australian's got to the polls for a
30:52
Speaker 1: state election on Saturday. The Liberals have been reduced to
30:58
Speaker 1: a bear rump there right, so Roger Cook expected to
31:02
Speaker 1: be returned handsomely. Does that then what do we read
31:06
Speaker 1: from that? Does that just having a labor win and
31:08
Speaker 1: give Anthony Aubernezi a bit of a bit of a
31:11
Speaker 1: boost to call the election perhaps the next day for April.
31:15
Speaker 4: It's worth well, if he's going to call an early election,
31:18
Speaker 4: he will do it the next day because he wouldn't
31:20
Speaker 4: want to overlap the way election otherwise, So Peter Cook
31:23
Speaker 4: would be saying Roger Cook would be saying, I'm pleasing
31:26
Speaker 4: things about him. But there's no doubt that if labor
31:29
Speaker 4: wins at the state level, it's not going to help
31:32
Speaker 4: federal labor candidates because there's a sense of desire for
31:36
Speaker 4: balance between state and federal government. So if you have
31:40
Speaker 4: a state government that represents a labor party, then there's
31:43
Speaker 4: an inclination on the part of voters in that state
31:46
Speaker 4: to look for the other party to lead at the
31:49
Speaker 4: federal level. We saw this in Queensland when I think
31:52
Speaker 4: about fourteen percent of voters used to switch between Peter
31:55
Speaker 4: Cook and John Howard and they do it within six
31:58
Speaker 4: to nine months. That's been a phenomenon for some time.
32:01
Speaker 4: So I'm going to be watching the way results with
32:04
Speaker 4: interest to see whether or not there's any drop in
32:07
Speaker 4: the vote for federal labor candidates as a result of
32:11
Speaker 4: state labor being returned. I expect there to be something
32:14
Speaker 4: like that.
32:15
Speaker 1: That factor of liking the head you bets between state
32:18
Speaker 1: and federal governments then is also going to play very
32:20
Speaker 1: strongly for the coalition in New South Wales and Victoria. Yeah.
32:25
Speaker 4: Look, it's really interesting, Chris, because the two parties, that
32:29
Speaker 4: the two federal parties don't have particularly strong policy profiles
32:33
Speaker 4: on a lot of issues. It's pretty opportunistic at the moment.
32:37
Speaker 4: I mean, Labour's spraying money around with a fire hose
32:40
Speaker 4: and Peter Darton saying well, okay, then all right, I'll
32:44
Speaker 4: do the same. So as a result of that, you know,
32:48
Speaker 4: you've got a lot of influence from state factors, and
32:51
Speaker 4: the Victorian State ALP government is in its death shows
32:56
Speaker 4: and it's like a load of dog for the federal
33:00
Speaker 4: Labor candidates over there. So we're looking at about eight
33:03
Speaker 4: or nine seats going from Labor to the coalition in
33:08
Speaker 4: that state, just because primarily of state factors, and the
33:11
Speaker 4: New South Wales Labor government is on the nose as well,
33:14
Speaker 4: quite seriously. So there's another six or seven seats going
33:18
Speaker 4: from left to right there. South Australia, nothing much happening.
33:23
Speaker 4: Maybe one seat might go from one to the other
33:26
Speaker 4: and then vice versa. Tasmania, there's only five you're playing with.
33:29
Speaker 4: One might go, one might not, but it's not going
33:31
Speaker 4: to make a big difference. The same for the NT.
33:34
Speaker 4: Queensland is the state where the coalition have big advantages
33:38
Speaker 4: via the LNP, and I was watching that really closely
33:42
Speaker 4: because I fully expected to see some drop in support
33:46
Speaker 4: for the LNP candidates or the Coalition federal candidates. We
33:50
Speaker 4: haven't seen it yet, And Chris of Pooley hear the
33:54
Speaker 4: LNP premier. From the point of view of being an
33:57
Speaker 4: old labor Blake, I think he's doing okay. We've got
34:00
Speaker 4: a cyclone coming down on this mate in a couple
34:02
Speaker 4: of days, and he's doing all the right things. He's
34:05
Speaker 4: been in the right place at the right time, and
34:06
Speaker 4: he looks like he's got his hands on the tiller.
34:09
Speaker 4: So I don't think he's going to cost the LNP
34:12
Speaker 4: any seats here at this stage, all right.
34:14
Speaker 16: You know.
34:15
Speaker 4: Moreover, there's a few Green seats that might go back
34:17
Speaker 4: to the l MP, and the seat of Griffith might
34:21
Speaker 4: be won by the ALP. The LMP doesn't have a
34:24
Speaker 4: candidate here in Griffith Yetna.
34:26
Speaker 1: We will see, we will see. It looks like it's
34:28
Speaker 1: going to be very very tight. Thanks for joining us, John,
34:31
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. We are out of time, John Black.
34:33
Speaker 1: There on the poles and where we're headed on the
34:35
Speaker 1: other side of the break. With the world still reeling
34:38
Speaker 1: from that blow up between Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski and
34:43
Speaker 1: Donald Trump in the White House. I'm going to cross
34:44
Speaker 1: to the Ukrainian capital Kiev. Let's return to that incredible
34:53
Speaker 1: display in the White House. The Oval Office has seen
34:56
Speaker 1: nothing like this, as I said at the top of
34:58
Speaker 1: the program, at least not with cameras and journalists in
35:01
Speaker 1: the room. Here's some of the worst of it.
35:04
Speaker 7: We're not in a good position. You don't have the
35:07
Speaker 7: cards right now with us. You start having right now,
35:10
Speaker 7: you're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're
35:17
Speaker 7: gambling with world War three. You're gambling with World War three.
35:22
Speaker 1: Look, since Russia's invasion, We've spoken many times with Ukrainian
35:27
Speaker 1: MP Helena Yangchenko. She's joining us again now live from Kiev.
35:32
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Helena. Good to talk to you,
35:35
Speaker 1: and I'm so keen to get your response and a
35:39
Speaker 1: sense of the response in Ukraine to those astonishing words
35:43
Speaker 1: from President Donald Trump, and of course he's Vice President jd. Vance.
35:50
Speaker 6: Well, what should I say? The only thing that I
35:53
Speaker 6: can say is that there is no country that wants
35:56
Speaker 6: the end of the war as much as Ukrainians, because
35:59
Speaker 6: we live on the constant shelling on a daily basis,
36:02
Speaker 6: or actually it happens at night Russia is selling our country.
36:07
Speaker 6: Russia is killing our civilians, they're torturing our prisoners of war.
36:13
Speaker 6: They are actually breaking all international legislation and even traditions
36:18
Speaker 6: of war. So there is no one who wants the
36:21
Speaker 6: end of this war as much as Ukrainians. But what
36:24
Speaker 6: we really want is the end, the real end. The
36:27
Speaker 6: real end might be only fair and lasting if it's
36:31
Speaker 6: just a pause, which we've seen before. Because let me
36:35
Speaker 6: remind you that the war did not start in twenty
36:39
Speaker 6: twenty two. It started into two thousand and fourteen. And
36:43
Speaker 6: President de Lenski, when he was elected, he did everything
36:46
Speaker 6: to finish this war. He was participating in a dozen
36:50
Speaker 6: of negotiations. Russia would break all of those. That is
36:54
Speaker 6: why we understood. We understood that fake peace deals without
37:00
Speaker 6: security guarantees, without making sure that our allies will be
37:05
Speaker 6: with us if Russia attacks us again, all these kind
37:10
Speaker 6: of talks worth nothing. They don't work paper they are
37:15
Speaker 6: printed on And that's why President Zelenski, as well as
37:20
Speaker 6: well as all Ukrainians, we insist on security guarantees. That
37:24
Speaker 6: is why he was continuing saying that all negotiations, all
37:30
Speaker 6: deals should be accompanied with security guarantees only these kind
37:35
Speaker 6: of things will ensure that the peace will be lasting. Unfair,
37:39
Speaker 6: this is what we want, This is what Europeans want,
37:43
Speaker 6: because they understand that European countries are also under danger.
37:47
Speaker 6: Because this is this is.
37:49
Speaker 1: Exactly your president. Lot of miters Zelenski was at pains
37:54
Speaker 1: to point out the history. Of course, that of course
37:56
Speaker 1: Crimea was annexed by Russia under Baracco, and then there
38:02
Speaker 1: was no clawback on that. During Donald Trump's first presidency,
38:05
Speaker 1: he certainly didn't get worse, but then when Biden came in,
38:08
Speaker 1: Russia invaded completely. When Donald Trump says he's trying to
38:12
Speaker 1: get a deal, is there anything that Ukraine would give
38:16
Speaker 1: up in a deal? For instance, would you relinquish Crimea
38:20
Speaker 1: or parts of the Dombas? Is there any suggestion from
38:23
Speaker 1: Ukraine that you would give up any territory? Otherwise, what
38:27
Speaker 1: sort of a deal is Donald Trump going to do?
38:31
Speaker 10: Well?
38:32
Speaker 6: Officially, it's obvious that we can't recognize that these territories
38:36
Speaker 6: of Ukraine will officially become part of Russia. But for us,
38:42
Speaker 6: it's also quite obvious that we can't return them right now,
38:48
Speaker 6: and the best way to return them is to actually
38:52
Speaker 6: apply some politically diplomatic tools. This is quite clear and
38:56
Speaker 6: this can be a part of the compromise. But also
38:59
Speaker 6: on another hand, we want to make sure that Russia
39:05
Speaker 6: will not attack us again, that Russia will not in
39:08
Speaker 6: us again, because what is important not only the fact
39:12
Speaker 6: that they keep invading their neighbors like Georgia before Ukraine,
39:17
Speaker 6: or like Chichina or Moldova, but they actually use population
39:22
Speaker 6: in the occupied territory to occupy basically the next neighbor.
39:28
Speaker 6: So when the full scale invasion in Ukraine started and
39:31
Speaker 6: we were capturing some people who were acting as occupiedts,
39:36
Speaker 6: we realized that part of them were actually Ukrainians from
39:40
Speaker 6: the occupied territories which were occupied eight years before full
39:44
Speaker 6: scale invasion. And we also had a lot of warriors
39:49
Speaker 6: from Chichina in Ukraine. So this is why also Europe
39:53
Speaker 6: warries so much, because they understand if Russia will keep
39:57
Speaker 6: occupying Ukrainian territories, keep the charactorists that they already occupied,
40:02
Speaker 6: they will simply use those Ukrainians to invade other countries
40:07
Speaker 6: and kill other nations. And no one wants it. No
40:10
Speaker 6: one's won this di stabilization and feeling of insecurity.
40:15
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Thanks for speaking with us again. Helena, I appreciate it.
40:19
Speaker 1: Helena Chenko, who's the Ukrainian MP joining us there live
40:22
Speaker 1: from Kiev. You can start to see the shape of
40:24
Speaker 1: a possible deal there. But as Elena outlines, there must
40:28
Speaker 1: be security guarantees. Some European nations saying that they would
40:31
Speaker 1: be prepared to put in troops. Now America talking about
40:35
Speaker 1: those mining developments, which could be some sort of de
40:39
Speaker 1: facto security guarantee. We shall see. There's plenty more to
40:42
Speaker 1: work play up in this space. Now, it's been seventeen
40:46
Speaker 1: days since Pope Francis was admitted to hospital with breathing difficulties.
40:50
Speaker 1: According to the Vatican, the Pontiff is in a stable
40:53
Speaker 1: condition and he participated in mass yesterday with those who
40:56
Speaker 1: have been caring for him. Let's bring in News Corps
40:59
Speaker 1: Europe correspondent and Sky News contributor So feels with So
41:03
Speaker 1: back in London. Now, what was the latest with the Pope.
41:08
Speaker 9: Well, this has been good news Chris that he's not
41:11
Speaker 9: completely reliant on ventilation, but he is still in hospital.
41:16
Speaker 9: As you said, it's seventeen days and they haven't said
41:20
Speaker 9: that he's no longer critical, so he's far from out
41:24
Speaker 9: of the woods. Chris, but this has been a very
41:27
Speaker 9: concerning time for the eighty eight year old because we
41:29
Speaker 9: know that he's had double pneumonia, bronchitis, he's had renal issues.
41:34
Speaker 9: The list goes on, but it looks like there is
41:37
Speaker 9: a glimmer of hope that he may pull through this,
41:40
Speaker 9: but there is certainly a long way to go.
41:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll keep Tad's on that for sure, while you're
41:45
Speaker 1: back in the UK and outside to number ten though
41:48
Speaker 1: the less, I've got to get your thoughts on Vladimir
41:51
Speaker 1: Zelenski meeting with Kirs Starma calls for a truce. You
41:56
Speaker 1: may have just heard Helena Youngchenko in Kiev very skeptical
42:00
Speaker 1: about truce. Is they want a permanent deal, but suggestions
42:03
Speaker 1: that Keith Starman would actually be happy to put UK
42:06
Speaker 1: troops in Ukraine as a security guarantee. That's a massive step,
42:11
Speaker 1: isn't it.
42:13
Speaker 9: It's a huge step, Chris and Kis Starmer has had
42:16
Speaker 9: a very few good days here. He has not been
42:20
Speaker 9: popular here since he came into office back in July,
42:24
Speaker 9: but he has shown real strength, real leadership. He's got
42:27
Speaker 9: all these European nations together to sit in a room
42:31
Speaker 9: around a table and try and work out a plan
42:34
Speaker 9: of attack so that they can go to America with
42:37
Speaker 9: a plan resolve this war and hopefully put it.
42:41
Speaker 13: To an end.
42:41
Speaker 9: But the momentum here in London over the weekend has
42:44
Speaker 9: been massive. We had people lining the streets showing their
42:48
Speaker 9: support for the Ukrainian president after that disastrous situation he
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Speaker 9: had at the Oval Office. And not to forget, Chris,
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Speaker 9: also Vladimir Zelenski. After this meeting with the various European leaders,
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Speaker 9: he took helicopter up to Sandrahm and met with King Charles,
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Speaker 9: So that was another sign of strong support from the
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Speaker 9: UK for Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: He has good to see Kirs Darma looking like a leader,
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Speaker 1: as you say, not something that has been his natural
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Speaker 1: dispositions since winning office.
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Speaker 9: Well, that's right, Chris. I mean he's getting all the
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Speaker 9: positive media coverage here. People are saying that he's really
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Speaker 9: come out of the blocks. He's showing strength and he's
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Speaker 9: leading the way on this and he's been very cautious
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Speaker 9: in his words, Chris, as you will have noticed, not
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Speaker 9: to criticize Donald Trump after that situation at the Oval Office.
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Speaker 9: He's trying to mend the ways here.
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Speaker 1: And work out a way out of this war.
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Speaker 9: They have another meeting in Brussels this week with various
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Speaker 9: European leaders. So it's the beginning of a very long road,
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Speaker 9: but it looks like he is actually trying to stabilize
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Speaker 9: things and encourage European countries to offer support for Ukraine.
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Speaker 1: There's a few days in London. Thanks so much for
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Speaker 1: joining us, Sophie. Sophie's with the News Corps europe correspondent. Now,
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Speaker 1: after the break we'll catch up with Gematon Uni and
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Speaker 1: Caroline de Russo. We're going to talk about the PM
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Speaker 1: and is fiance. They've done the old sixty minutes chat.
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Speaker 1: There's plenty more coming up to Oh boy, we're running late.
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Speaker 1: We've got Gematon Uni and Caroline dur also both in Perth,
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Speaker 1: looking to have a quick chat on issues there. You're
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Speaker 1: so lucky you've got a state election coming up on
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Speaker 1: Saturday and then I reckon Albo. We'll call it the
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Speaker 1: next day for April the twelfth. Do you think Western
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Speaker 1: Australia will have any bearing on that, Jemma, I think, well.
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Speaker 17: My learned friend probably have a more informed opinion than
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Speaker 17: I do, but obviously I think he's on the nose
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Speaker 17: over here. He is on the nose everywhere, and that's
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Speaker 17: a reputation that's deserved, in my view, like the most
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Speaker 17: thoroughly uninspiring, underwhelming, underperforming prime minister certainly in my fifty
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Speaker 17: one and a half years on the planet fifty one.
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Speaker 1: And a half already, Carolina, because you're a state president
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Speaker 1: of the Liberal Party there, you'll be expecting to do better.
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Speaker 1: But Labor's going to win, right and therefore Albow will
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Speaker 1: use that as a bit of a springboard. Bony Albo can.
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Speaker 12: Use whatever he likes as a spring board.
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Speaker 18: I think he's got much bigger problems than the West
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Speaker 18: Australian election.
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Speaker 12: I've always said that we are absolutely in this to
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Speaker 12: win it.
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Speaker 18: And I know it's a very very difficult task, but
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Speaker 18: you know, Chris, you have to fight until the very
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Speaker 18: end of polling day to transfer well, you know, to
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Speaker 18: turn every single one of those votes and win as
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Speaker 18: many seats as possible. And yes, it's ultimately very helpful
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Speaker 18: for us it being so close to a federal election.
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Speaker 18: I've been outdoor knocking with our state candidates for the
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Speaker 18: last few weeks and people keep telling us, while you're there,
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Speaker 18: can you also please get rid of alban Esi, and
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Speaker 18: I'm like, no, while you're there, can you also please
45:56
Speaker 18: get rid of alber Easy. So there's been a lot
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Speaker 18: of federal and stay crossover. I think it's going to
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Speaker 18: be how hard fought. And you know, if I was
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Speaker 18: albit Easy, I wouldn't be taking anything for granted.
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Speaker 12: Here in wa Well.
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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks ago, Sixty Minutes did a piece
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Speaker 1: with Peter Dutton and his wife Kia Lee, a bit
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Speaker 1: of a profile piece, and last night they did Albot
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Speaker 1: and his fiance Jody Hayden his a bit.
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Speaker 14: I wasn't looking for a relationship, Jody yelled out. Up
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Speaker 14: the rabbits is how we met when I went round
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Speaker 14: the table.
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Speaker 1: That's how easy you were. You had me it up
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Speaker 1: the rabbits.
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Speaker 16: To all the single independent ladies out there.
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Speaker 12: Why can't we make the first move?
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Speaker 17: Yeah?
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Speaker 14: The message that Jodie sent me was that we had
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Speaker 14: a lot in common.
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Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed by the romance here, Gemma, is this going
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Speaker 1: to help him at all?
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Speaker 16: Nah? Nah?
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Speaker 12: You know I am Christopher.
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Speaker 17: May I say a hopeless romanticketrgh and my learned friend
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Speaker 17: can confirm that it's true. But I look at that
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Speaker 17: and all I see is cynicism, and I know that
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Speaker 17: governments have done it over the years, and politicians have
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Speaker 17: done I don't ever like it.
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Speaker 12: I think, you know, I think we've seen enough.
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Speaker 17: The electorate sees what politicians are like when they're in office,
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Speaker 17: how they respond to pressure, how they respond to crisis,
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Speaker 17: how they respond day in and day out, not in
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Speaker 17: some curated twenty minute puff piece on sixty minutes like.
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Speaker 17: It's not a realistic either way. It's not a realistic
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Speaker 17: window into who these people are. And I mean, did
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Speaker 17: the interviewer on Channel nine ask Albanesi whether he was
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Speaker 17: up Trump's backside? That horrible question that he asked Peter
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Speaker 17: up Yeah, shock, I means it's uncouths And I just think, nah,
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Speaker 17: it does nothing for me to them. May they live
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Speaker 17: happily ever after in Copah Gabana or maybe soon.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of uncouth, I think the left of politics are
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Speaker 1: great haters. And Peter Garrett in Perth in the last
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Speaker 1: couple of days, Carolinas actually suggested to his audience, so
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Speaker 1: they ought to be dancing on the grave of Gina Reinhart,
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Speaker 1: a great Australian who's still very much alive. That's just shocking,
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Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah, it is.
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Speaker 12: And this is a compassionate side of politics.
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Speaker 18: When the mass slips and when they show you who
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Speaker 18: they are, absolutely one hundred percent believe them.
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Speaker 12: And you know, I mean missus reyan Hart is.
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Speaker 18: Very quiet about much of the very good philanthropic work
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Speaker 18: that she does, not only in Western Australia but elsewhere
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Speaker 18: around the country.
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Speaker 12: And just the lack of graciousness.
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Speaker 18: And you know, you know, it's really fairer when even
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Speaker 18: the Labor State Premier comes out and says, nah, we
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Speaker 18: won't have any more of that and condemns that behavior.
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Speaker 1: But you know, it is.
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Speaker 18: It is a worry when people do say those sorts
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Speaker 18: of things. It is really quite hateful. I would always
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Speaker 18: rather that they say it because I like to know
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Speaker 18: whether morons are Chris.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is moronic, you know, and we know he's
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Speaker 1: a shock and lefty, but he professes to be a
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Speaker 1: Christian as well, and it's just not nice to wish
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Speaker 1: other people did. Thanks so much for joining us again,
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Speaker 1: Jemma and Caroline. Sorry we didn't have enough time tonight.
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Speaker 1: I went over time elsewhere, but we'll catch up another time.
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Speaker 1: That is all the time I've got for you tonight.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. I'll be back at five o'clock tomorrow.
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Speaker 1: Coming up next to Peter Kredlin,