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Breaking the Healthcare Mold: Go from Symptom Management to Youthful Longevity - Episode 268 · Gladden Longevity Podcast

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Welcome everybody.
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I'm here today with Alex Lebarsky.
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I met Alex probably, I don't know, 18 months ago, was it?
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Something like that.
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And he's a very, very interesting guy who wrote an interesting book that I had a chance to go through and actually wrote a bit of a few comments on it.
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Alex has an interesting story, maybe maybe to introduce yourself to the audience.
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Alex, maybe just give up.
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It's hard to have a synopsis of your life story because it really has lots of twists and turns, but it gives people some sense of kind how you got from where you started to the
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health crusade that you're on.
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So, yeah.
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Well, thank you, Dr.
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Gladden.
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Nice to be here with you.
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I guess the place to start is why I found.
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myself in healthcare, which was totally not my trajectory or interest.
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Right.
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Twenty years ago, I was diagnosed with psoriatic arthritis.
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And like everybody else, I had a very excellent health insurance through my wife's work, which I never used before.
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So I asked her to help me find the insurance card.
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And then I booked an appointment with a local dermatologist.
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And they gave me appointment a month in advance, which I found already a little bit peculiar, you know, for the best healthcare system in the world.
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So fine, whatever it is.
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I waited for my appointment, it was an emergency.
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And then I came to the office.
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I waited in the waiting room for another hour.
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And then they put me into exam room for another 20 minutes.
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And then the doctor walked in, asked me what the problem was.
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told them, I...
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you know, pointed to the side of my head.
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That's where my psoriasis was beginning.
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He looked at it and said, OK, you have psoriasis and here's some steroid cream.
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Try it and, you know, see how it works.
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If anything, give us a call back.
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And that was it.
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He was gone in less than three minutes.
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So I took the steroid cream and I put it on my head and they cleared up.
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So I was like, OK, problem solved.
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Moving on.
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to doing what I do, which is build businesses and create companies.
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But then in a few days it came back and it was worse.
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So I put more cream on.
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It was a steroid cream.
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And so it went away and it came back worse.
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it's eventually 60 % of my body was covered with psoriasis and my joints hurt so bad I could barely walk.
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was in mid-30s.
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But that became very distracting to me.
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And at same time, it became very insulting to me.
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I trusted this system to take care of me in a way that I imagined I would be taking care of, which is we're going to solve my problem.
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But unfortunately, this almost $5 trillion disease management industrial complex is only interested in managing the condition for the duration of my life with steroid creams and
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methotrexate.
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As you know, it's a chemo-like drug that suppresses the immune system with a potential black box warning.
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of a rarely fatal infection.
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So this got boring very, very quickly.
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And I decided that I wanted to find the resolution to my chronic health illness.
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And that's where my journey begins.
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Well, that's a, you know, it's an interesting entry point.
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I think so many people that have come into this space of health optimization, functional medicine, even longevity and seeing the trajectory that it can have came into it through
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their own story or someone.
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near and dear to them story, family member, close friend, whatever it is.
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It is a stunning reality.
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You know, when you think you have healthcare and you realize that you don't have healthcare, you think you have health insurance and you realize you don't have health
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insurance.
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You realize that you're, you really just have, you know, kind of symptom management at the, at the best, right?
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Nobody's really trying to figure out why you got this or even asking that question.
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So obviously you started to ask that question and
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You look like you're free of psoriatic arthritis and psoriasis at this point in time.
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So walk us through that a little bit.
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That's going to be interesting.
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Well, what happened was before I was diagnosed about a year before I was in healthcare and I was marketing psychologists into medical centers.
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So I was meeting a lot of doctors, a lot of chiropractors, a lot of medical doctors.
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And it very
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quickly became apparent to me that certain doctors kind of are the embodiment of this fitness, wellness, proactive health philosophy.
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And what I found interesting as well is that many of them had no interest in business or making money or marketing or any of these kinds of things.
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They just wanted to heal people and they would use whatever resources they had at their disposal.
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to manipulate the system and the healthcare and the insurance in whatever way they could to be able to provide that kind of care for their patients.
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I just found that interesting and I was moving along from one office to the other.
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was getting to know these doctors.
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I really liked some of them.
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And then I decided that I really liked their philosophy and I bought some time on a local radio station and I started interviewing.
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these doctors because I wanted to create a platform from where I can introduce them and their model to other people.
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Yeah.
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So I started doing that and I was I ended up doing the radio show for over 10 years on the local radio station.
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But about a year into it, this philosophy started to unveil itself.
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You know, the power that made the body heals the body.
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Health comes from the inside out, not outside in your your chronic condition is probably not
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Aspirin deficiency.
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So, know, like I was like, sounds interesting.
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And then they got my diagnosis.
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So if I didn't go through a year of this kind of, you know, training, I probably just would have gone along with whatever I was offered.
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I see.
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So you had you had you had perspective going into this based on that.
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Yeah.
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Thanks.
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My mind was open a little bit.
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And so I was I ended up interviewing Tom.
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doctors and experts and famous health activists like Suzanne Summers, Jacqueline Lane, Mark Hyman, Carol Ault, who's a supermodel diagnosed with terminal reproductive cancer,
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who she ended up resolving that.
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Anyway, so this became a journey for me.
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And one of the doctors I met,
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by the name of Richard Lynch.
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He was diagnosed with terminal lung cancer two years before I met him.
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He actually reached out to me because he heard I at this radio show.
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I started doing little events here and there, dinners and breakfasts things.
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So he reached out and he said, listen, I started this practice.
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It's like a functional medicine kind of practice where I look to resolve the underlying cause of chronic illness.
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I have this little basement office.
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Why don't you come and we'll talk a little bit.
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Well, he
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Before he was diagnosed two years before I met him, he had one of the largest pain management centers in New York.
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And he was board certified in neurology, psychiatry, pain management, then later anti-aging medicine.
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And he was a remarkable man.
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So he got two years, 50 % survival rate, IVL or carcinoma diagnosis.
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And so he retired from his practice and he started searching the world for anything that could help him.
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resolved the underlying cause of his issue.
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I he had a complicated issue that was well, that was pretty well progressed.
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But he ended up expanding his life for 15 years.
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And in that time, he transformed the lives of many, many people.
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I was one of them.
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So when we met, I said, listen, why don't we do this?
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I'll market you and I can be your guinea pig, you know, I can barely walk.
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So maybe you can help me with that.
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So started working together.
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did a whole bunch of blood work.
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He does my digestive bio, my vitamin D levels, my mercury levels, my a lot of different things.
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And then they started optimizing me.
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It was all cash, all out of pocket, very expensive, but the best money I ever spent because within 90 days, nothing happened.
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And then on day 91, my arthritis disappeared like I never had it.
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Nice.
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Wow.
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a miracle.
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Yeah.
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The psoriasis has been a little bit more complex and I've been dealing with it and resolving it.
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It's a lot better, but I haven't resolved it fully yet, but I will.
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Nice.
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Okay.
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So you've got a really, a long personal history here.
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And in the process you met a lot of physicians, you know, a lot of people bash physicians, MDs in particular, right?
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But there are a lot of MDs that have awakened to, you know, the deficiencies of the, you know, pharma-based healthcare, sick care system.
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are many, many of them.
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Some of them are still sort of stuck inside that system, but they are awakened to it and they're aware that there are parallel paths going on.
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I had the opportunity to interface with a couple of physicians in this last fall and
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bringing up a couple of things.
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if I had talked with them about, you know, regenerative medicine and things like that 10 years ago, they would looked at me like I was, you know, three eyes and four legs.
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But, but now it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Well, that, may be a good way to go.
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Right.
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And so they're, it's really this whole idea of functional medicine, regenerative medicine is making its way into the consciousness of traditional medicine, which is really nice to
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see.
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then.
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There are lot of physicians that have left, right?
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A lot of physicians have left.
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They've gone, you know, they said, no, I'm not going to do this anymore.
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They leave the insurance based payment model and they go out, not because they want to make a lot of money, but because they actually want to help people.
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It's just why they got into this in the first place.
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I think it's, I think it's, have to kind of correct the public a little bit.
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in terms of this, you're an MD, well, you're a whatever, right?
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Hold your judgment for a minute, right?
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Because there's a lot of really good-hearted people in medicine.
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They got into it for the right reasons.
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So anyway, and that being said, there are some people that are just locked in, right?
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And they're binary and they're thinking, and this is the only way and all that.
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So, but anyway, I think it's encouraging to see how people in the...
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medical field are kind of shifting more and more towards this approach.
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It's a root cause approach.
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And then of course, in longevity medicine, it becomes a root cause of the root cause, right?
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It's like, are the drivers of aging upon which these disease processes are sitting with their own root cause, right?
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So now you're going at several levers deeper.
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And that's really the level at which we like to work.
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And I think, you you brought up the term optimization.
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Talk to us a little bit about your concept of optimization.
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We can kind of compare notes on that a little bit.
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Well, this whole idea came together over last 20 years.
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I've done a bunch of different things.
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We're promoting wellness, we're promoting holistic medicine, we're promoting integrative medicine, acupuncture, chiropractic, you name it, I promoted it.
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Yeah.
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Wheatgrass juice, Vitamix, whatever it was, I promoted it probably.
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Sure.
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And so in 2020, I had my largest event planned.
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It was a two day event.
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had keynote speakers.
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There were 80 speakers flying in from around the country.
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I 150 exhibitors.
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Thousands of people were going to be attending.
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So it was the biggest event I've ever done.
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My events were pretty big before, but this was the biggest.
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I already put the pedal to the metal.
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And it was scheduled for May 2nd and 3rd.
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So early March, I had a dinner for my doctors.
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I had 50 doctors in a restaurant and they were coming in.
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were like, Alex, I'm sure I can shake your hand.
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Well, it's a pandemic.
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So I didn't take it very seriously because I never did.
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They said, we're going to flatten the curve for two weeks.
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I said, okay, two weeks.
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Fine.
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I'll work from home.
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I already have all the marketing.
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being printed and being mailed.
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And so I stayed home and they ended up closing New York for two years.
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you know, I had a little time to think I was forced.
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I was forced to take some time to think about my life.
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Yeah.
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And what I decided was, you know, I like doing my conferences.
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I love I love my events.
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You know, I the people I love.
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the excitement of it, the exhaustion of it.
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You know, after I do six months prep with my team and then two days from six in the morning to like midnight, two days in a row.
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It was awesome.
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It was exhaustingly, but it was inspirational at the same time.
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But I said, you know, one of the problems my complaint was that, you know, I had a lot of doctors who became clients and I was helping them build a free market practice.
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But what my experience has been is that doctors, very few are a combination of a brilliant doctor and a brilliant business person.
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Most doctors have a very difficult time.
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They like being paid cash, but they have a very difficult time paying for marketing.
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And the insurance companies spend trillions of dollars on marketing, and that's how they're able to find clients to send to the doctor.
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But if the doctor leaves that model and they don't do marketing,
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chances are they're going to spend 40 years of their life building their practice or they're just going to die in the vine and go back to work for hospital.
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So I decided, you know what, I'm going to build my own model where I have a team of nurse practitioners and I love nurse practitioners because first they have to become a regular
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RN, which takes like four years.
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Then they work for some kind of a
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some aspect of healthcare where it's women's health, oncology, know, they're somewhere in the healthcare system.
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And then they decide to pursue this family nurse practitioner degree, which they can pretty much, as you know, practice independently.
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a lot of states, they need supervision and they're awesome, they're brilliant.
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they're also, I hate to use this term, but non-binary, you know,
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They don't have an allegiance to a particular way of doing medicine.
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They're more focused on taking care of their patient, their client.
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And whatever needs to be done, that's what they're going to be doing.
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So I have this team of nurse practitioners who are awesome.
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And then I train them with the top functional medicine doctors and longevity experts from the country.
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So they, the nurse practitioner, becomes the world expert in their client.
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We do their blood, we do their genetics, we do their digestive biome, we do their toxicity levels.
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And then they have access to the world's greatest minds in what it takes to optimize these people and get them to function optimally and live longer, healthier lives.
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Yeah, I know had the opportunity to speak to one of your groups, I think at one point it was a group of nurse practitioners.
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And I think...
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You know, I've worked with nurse practitioners throughout my cardiology career, right?
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I think, I think there's something special about nurse practitioners, even, mean, PAs are great also, but nurse practitioners, somehow there's, there's a lot of compassion there in
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those people as they come through, right?
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You get into nursing for a reason and it's kind of a DNA that you don't lose.
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And so I found the nurse practitioners to actually be very compassionate and also to your point, not binary thinkers.
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I, and I think, you know, this is,
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something I'm actually writing a book on called quantum thinking, which is kind of the opposite of binary thinking.
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Binary thinking, there's one way to do it.
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You're right, I'm wrong, or this is the way and that's not the way.
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And I think all progress is made from non-binary thinking or really questioning the binary process, right?
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So to your point, I've worked with people that have thought that way and they've been a pleasure to work with.
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So yeah, I think.
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I think it's a great plan.
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We talked about that before.
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Yeah, there's some things actually where I can bring you up to speed on some things that are going on for us where we might be able to intersect in some ways.
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Yeah, I love that.
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That's one of the reasons I really wanted to talk to you after reading and studying and absorbing your brilliant book, 100 is the New 30.
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Yeah.
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I thought that, you know, if I can have people of your caliber.
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kind of guiding this whole human optimization model for the citizens of the United States.
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We can actually design a healthcare model of the future.
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Where you're not waiting until you develop a chronic illness, but like from birth.
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We know your genetics, we know what you should be and shouldn't be doing.
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And we just kind of, don't tell you how to live your life, but we recommend things that are best for your particular makeup.
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And then you do whatever you want, know, it's your life.
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if we can get people from birth,
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to guide them through this minefield of the $6 trillion food industry that's laden with toxic chemicals as we know.
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Make sure you're drinking clean water, like basic, basic things from the beginning.
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So when you're a teenager, you don't have to deal with obesity problems or skin problems, acne or childhood diabetes or this kind of nonsensical nonsense.
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So yeah, we can create a better model.
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Yeah, no, I agree.
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yeah, I've just, this is the first time I'm saying this publicly because this, deal basically just closed last week.
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But I formed a new company with another gentleman who builds companies and has built many, many, many, he's got over 80 different companies right now, many of which are
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multi-billion dollar companies.
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And he's really passionate about.
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improving planet earth, right?
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Everything from basically a CO2 reduction in concrete.
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He's got a concrete company that has no CO2 footprint.
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He's got affordable housing.
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He's figured out how to replenish the coral reefs.
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He's really, really interested in medicine.
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He's involved as we are in genetics and early cancer detection.
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And so he's involved with those things.
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And so
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He and I met and we joined forces basically to really help optimize things for the planet.
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So I think therein with that new company represents an opportunity for the two of us, you and myself, to actually come together and do some stuff in a big way.
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So I think that could be very exciting.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I'd love the idea.
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Yeah.
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Good.
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So when you think about
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your own health and optimization, do you have like targets that you're going for in terms of performance targets or maybe age metrics or any of those kinds of things that you're
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looking at?
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Well, we're still early stage.
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I love a lot of the stuff you're doing and reading your book.
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There's just so many different things.
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would definitely love to put myself in your hands eventually and go through that whole process.
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Right now I do my nurse practitioner, we do my blood work every six months and I just did my very comprehensive biome test.
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And we look to optimize the things I know I need to be optimized in like her D level, homocysteine levels.
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We'll keep an eye on my PSA, know, like basic, basic, type things.
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And, but I know, you know,
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I know that longevity medicine is an early science and it has tremendous, tremendous potential, not for the sake of living forever.
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I don't care about that.
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But what I want to do is I want to live as best I can for as long as I can.
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Sure.
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I don't want to be dependent on nobody.
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however time I got on this planet, I want to be, you know, when, when this program ends for me, I want to, I want to do some kind of a personal best.
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Whether it's running or making love to somebody or lifting something really heavy.
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Why leave any of them out?
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So, no, I think that's great.
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You know, I mean, our concept really has evolved into when we're a hundred, we want to have a 30 year old body and a 300 year old mind.
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Right?
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So it's really this sort of psycho-spiritual evolution also away from binary thinking into what I call quantum thinking and really being connected.
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And when you're in that place, it really enables us to actually impact the planet in really positive ways.
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Right?
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We no longer live in scarcity.
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Now we're living in a place of abundance and connection.
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And I think that's really the path forward for us.
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I think, you know, it'd be great, quite honestly, if you came down and let us do some
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some actual additional testing.
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know why to do it.
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It's on my mind.
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So yeah, I'm able to believe me.
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Yeah.
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I know the testing you're doing is good, but I can tell you that we would, we could give you a lot more to work with.
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And, it's really, yeah, it's really, yeah, it's really interesting to see that because so many people that we see, have been doing stuff, almost all of them.
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And, and yet when they come to us, we find where they're really exceptionally doing well.
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And then we find.
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hurdles and challenges they weren't aware of, which is really, an opportunity, quite honestly.
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It's like, oh, okay, well, let's take care of that now.
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Right.
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So the thing I love about that is like, I would never go to a regular doctor with all due respect because, know, I was talking to my mother, she's 76 now.
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And a couple of years ago, she was coughing for eight months.
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She was coughing.
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was like, mom, you should go to your doctor because that's what you say to your mom.
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She goes, I'm not going to go see a doctor.
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said, why not?
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They're going to find something.
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I said, well, isn't that the idea?
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No, no, I'm going to a doctor.
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So that's the reason I don't want to go to a doctor.
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I don't want him to find anything.
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But to go to a doctor who's looking to optimize you, that's a very different experience.
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It's like when you have a Ferrari, you want to make sure that it's finely tuned all the time.
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That's right.
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And you are a Ferrari.
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All of us are Ferrari in a sense.
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mean, we're incredibly sophisticated, even a million times more sophisticated than a Ferrari.
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Being able to understand where it is and, know, I kind of use the analogy of an F1 car, quite honestly, you know, where with an F1 car, they have monitors on everything.
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I mean, they know what's happening, you know, piston speed, oil pressure, temperatures, everything, right.
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Tire pressure, the whole nine yards, right.
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And so aerodynamic flow, all of it's being monitored, right.
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And so when you're able to do that, then you're really able to kind of get peak performance.
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And I think as humans, we need to kind of take a similar approach.
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And think of ourselves that way because I think we get caught in this idea of well, it's hurting but it's not hurting that much.
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Right.
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And yet what I found is that if it's bothering you, go ahead and fix it.
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Right.
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Because with regenerative medicine, the best time to fix something is when it starts, not two years later when now there are early, there are early stages for everybody.
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Right.
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Bumpy fingernails.
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Yeah.
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The body stool.
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Right.
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Bad breath.
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Yeah.
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You know, IBS like all these little tiny things.
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But the problem is that our system of health care doesn't is an interested in those things.
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That's right.
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They're all waiting for like until you click from like pre diabetes to diabetes.
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That's we'll go full speed ahead.
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Right.
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So the public, you know, you got to forgive us because we've been trained to think this way for the last seven years.
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Right.
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Right.
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And I'm saying, I'm saying that my own thinking has really shifted in that regard to where if something is, um, if I see an issue, I want to take care of it.
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I think I've really transitioned from being a dump truck, right?
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Where I just keep running until something breaks.
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Now the tire went flat.
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Okay.
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We'll put a new tire on it, right?
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Cause it's a truck, you know, you're just going to keep driving it to nowhere in F1 car, right?
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And, and every, uh, system needs to be optimized and.
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you in check and, and find out what's happening.
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So, because I think if you start to transition from I'm a drunk truck, I'll just keep running until, you know, something breaks or it's a little out of whack, but it's not that
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bad, right?
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This mindset, right?
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Because, um, and you go back to this idea of, no, we're actually a formula one car, right?
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And it's, changes your, changes your perspective, right?
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It's, it's almost as powerful as the idea of waking up 27 every day.
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Right.
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Which I do.
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It's like, oh, I'm 27.
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don't, I'm not, if I don't feel like I'm 27, well, by gosh, why am I not 27?
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Let's get back to 27.
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I never, you know, see what I'm saying?
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It's like, no, I'm an F1 car, right?
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Let's get, let's get back on, on full throttle here.
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So, um, that mindset drives so much innovation and so much deep understanding that, all we need to do is sell this idea, this mindset to about a million people in the United States
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who are still salvageable.
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Right.
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That's right.
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I America is in
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big, big trouble with their level of health deficiency.
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Agreed.
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But there's a million people who are walking around and they know, they see the matrix, they know something's off, they're trying to do things on their own, they're all becoming
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like, I never wanted to be this expert.
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That was never my goal.
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I wanted somebody else to be the expert.
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But I couldn't find at the time anybody who actually was interested in this kind of an approach.
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And so that's what kind of got me to do something I was, had no interest in doing, but something that needed to be done.
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Yeah.
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I think you're right.
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I think it is.
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There are lot of more people that are kind of freeing themselves from the matrix.
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and, you know, there's lots of matrixes out there, right?
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There's the, there's the political matrix, there's a medical matrix, there's a food matrix, there's the, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever thing topic you want to bring
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up.
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Right.
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So,
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Yeah, I, I, I'm very optimistic because I do believe people are waking up and I I agree.
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think it's very encouraging.
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know, before, like before COVID it was a really, I got first started talking to people about organic things.
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Organic.
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Yeah.
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they grow that in poop?
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Right.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So it was, well, that's where we started.
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Right.
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And now it's like, you know, everybody, everybody's shopping organic.
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Everybody's interested in organic.
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Everybody's that supplements post COVID.
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They saw how.
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tyrannical our system of healthcare can become when you remove all the reins off it.
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That's right.
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No, you're right.
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And I think people became very disenchanted with the whole COVID story, the whole thing about natural immunity, the whole thing about vaccines and boosters and all this other
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stuff.
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think more and more people, the further it went and the more that things came to the surface about who was being harmed by these things.
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and how powerful natural immunity actually was and many other things that were really suppressed, that people became even more skeptical of kind of the establishment, right?
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Certainly the FDA and certainly, you know, National Health Service and things like that, right?
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So, and I think rightly so.
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So I think people need to really start to think for themselves.
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So think for yourself, understand that you're an F1 car and keep that thing flying,
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So that's it.
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Well, I'll tell you something, Dr.
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Gladden.
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When I've been doing this forever and I will continue doing it forever.
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But I connected with like maybe four or five months ago, I found this fellow Casey Means.
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OK.
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And Kaylee Means.
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OK.
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Brother and sister.
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You've heard of them?
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No.
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So what happened was
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I connected with him on X, think.
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And then I saw a post just out of nowhere that there's a meeting in Washington, DC.
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It's called the second opinion and they're to be holding it at the Kennedy caucus room.
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Okay.
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And I saw this post on Friday and on Monday morning, 5am, I was in my car driving to Washington.
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Nice.
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And when I got there, I couldn't believe it.
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It was in a room that fit maybe about 150, 200 people.
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And in it, had RFK.
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They had Senator Ron Johnson.
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They had Senator Matt Gaetz.
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They had a bunch of other senators and they had Jordan Peterson.
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I Jordan Peterson.
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And his daughter, Michaela and Vani Hari, the food babe.
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Julian Michael.
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It was unbelievable.
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Yeah.
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And they all talked about the problem with our healthcare system, the food supply.
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It was like a miracle.
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I couldn't believe my eyes.
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And then RFK gets nominated to be part of the whole entourage to transform healthcare, the healthcare system, remove pharmaceutical advertising from television.
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I was like, I can't believe it.
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Like I spent 20 years waiting for something like this to happen.
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And here it is.
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This is an amazing time.
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It's an amazing time.
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It's an amazing time.
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Yeah, it really is.
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think it's interesting to see how, you know, there's been a change in presidency, change in, I'm not a political person, it's not a political show, but I think that anytime
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there's the opportunity to actually bring light on the virtues of, you know, a functional approach to food, air, water, medicine.
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treatments, you know, even the whole idea of allowing regenerative treatments and things like that.
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So we've gotten involved.
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I got involved with Montana because Montana just basically passed the most lenient right to try law in the US.
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And so I got in touch with a senator up there and we're actually be they've invited us to come up to Montana and and set up some stuff, which we'll probably do, particularly with
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this new company.
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But I think it becomes a template for other states.
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In other words, there really is a movement here.
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People want to take back control of their health and not have it dictated to them.
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I'm involved with another group that's planning a march on Washington in 2026 to stress the rights of people to have access to therapies that are associated with longevity,
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right?
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And so that group is basically coming together.
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Then I just got invited to speak in Washington in April to a group about what does longevity look like?
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What is that even all about?
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Right?
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Because people have lots of questions about that.
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Right?
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And is it even feasible?
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What's going to happen?
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Is it going to break the system and all these things?
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Right?
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So I'm going to be giving a talk there in April, I think it is, or early May to a group.
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I think it's mostly Senator, aides and things like that.
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The point is to your point is this was not happening, you know, five years ago.
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Right.
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And so I think it's super exciting.
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I think the world is starting to shift and if we can get it going, I think, you you throwing your support behind it, us throwing our support behind it and the listeners
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throwing their support behind it.
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think we're actually really starting to make some progress here, which is super exciting.
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So it's a, it's a remarkable time.
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And I, I just, I'm so hopeful for.
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the next generation, you know, if I, we can help people circumvent and not deal with these early stage chronic conditions that really are, I mean, they're uncomfortable, they're
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life threatening and all that, but they, they're very distracting.
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Like whatever I was doing, whatever I wanted in my life and I had goals and dreams to have became irrelevant.
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Once you're diagnosed with some kind of a really terrible situation, you don't care about anything.
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You don't care about.
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money.
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You don't care about building your business.
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You don't care about going on vacation.
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You don't care about spending time with the people.
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You don't care about anything.
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You just want this problem to go away.
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That's right.
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Yeah.
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If we can help, if we can help people not be diagnosed with some kind of a life altering condition, ultimately it will make our economy better.
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It'll make people happier.
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it'll just, it'll just contribute so much to future generations.
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Yeah, and I think the real way to do that is early detection, right?
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So I mean, if every child that was born had a genetic test, right?
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And we've been working with some genetic companies that are talking about that longevity actually begins in the womb, right?
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And actually extends into the parents, you know, as they're conceiving the child, longevity actually begins there, right?
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What are your parents doing, right?
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And then, you know,
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making sure that the fetus is as healthy as possible, right?
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And knowing that, you know, zinc increases sperm counts and iodine increases IQ by 10 points.
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you know, optimizing those things makes a big difference for your child, right?
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And then, you know, basically getting a swab on your kid or your grandkids so that you can know, okay, they're predisposed to these things.
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So we actually have ideas about how to navigate that.
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So we don't, you know, keep them away from things that might exacerbate that.
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All this stuff makes a massive difference.
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And it starts with preemptive thinking.
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starts with rather than like, you're born and well, let's see what happens, right?
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Well, here's the dump truck rolling around the road.
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He's doing great.
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You know, he's playing sports.
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He's doing all this stuff and shoot, you know, just broken axle.
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And, know, I think if you, if you really start to look at it as no, this is a precious being that we want to optimize, right?
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And this 300 year old mind, this 30 year old body, let's see if we can go for that.
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And you start that thought process early on.
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It helps you navigate so many things, right?
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So anyway, think we're, I think we're seeing the same stuff.
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The driving philosophy of this will be the most important thing.
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Whatever it is, you know, we've become a little too human focused, I think.
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And we look at the human body as just an animal that is born and then it dies.
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And so we're not.
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We're not looking at human life as this remarkable God-like creation that is a miracle of miracles.
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And so the philosophy that will ultimately drive our appreciation, respect, and maybe even love for the human being as a spiritual being
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that's much, much greater than just the cells and the bones that make up our bodies, then we can actually have some reverence for ourselves and be interested in staying here as
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long as we can.
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I this is the only time we're gonna get to be here.
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Most of the time throughout eternity, it'll be darkness and silence.
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So we get to play for a little bit here.
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Why wouldn't we wanna get as much out of it as possible?
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You see people living into their hundreds, right?
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And some of these people are cognizant, they're funny, they're sharp, they're eating cake or whatever they're doing, they're enjoying their life.
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I'd rather be 105 and doing something here rather than not be here, given the choice.
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Yeah, I think there are different points of view, of course, on what happens after somebody passes away here.
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Probably beyond the scope of this conversation, but to your point, I think that You know in my own Searching through all this and some of my deep meditations in terms of spiritual
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connection getting connected directly to consciousness I've had this experience and I don't know if that's something that that you've had the opportunity to do as well But when
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you connect directly to consciousness God however, whatever you it's pure love.
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It is a hundred percent pure love
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pure, pure love.
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And what does love love to do?
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It loves to create.
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And we're an expression of that creation force, the whole universe and maybe parallel universes are all expressions of that.
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And what does creation do?
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It actually creates joy.
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And so we I've adopted this as my philosophy of life, which is that I'm here from a very loving place to create joy.
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And that's it to create joy.
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And there businesses to be built and there are relationships to be had, but ultimately it's about creating joy.
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And if you, if we do that, all of a sudden, you know, you know, we're not in binary thought.
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It's like, yeah, sure.
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Let's, let's create more joy for more people.
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Right.
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You know, you go, get past races and religions and, know, countries and, know, ideologies and all the things that quote unquote separated.
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So we just start to think, no, how do we lovingly create joy?
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Right.
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And when you start to take that approach, then all of a sudden.
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I think it just, I think it liberates your spirit and also your biology, right?
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To live longer.
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It's better to live in joy than in hate and Yeah, definitely.
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I think that that's the natural way.
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That's one of things I love about America.
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You know, I grew up in Soviet Russia.
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The environment there was conducive for mistrust and violence.
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Sure.
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when we came here, this freedom mindset.
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And you know, we were in New York City, so there's all kinds of different people.
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Nobody cares.
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Nobody cares what kind of, where you come from, what you are.
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Nobody cares.
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We worked with every kind of person.
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it was never like, it wasn't never a thing.
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But over the last five years, it became such a thing.
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It became divided by every possible way you could divide people.
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That's right.
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And it became repulsive.
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you look at things, it's like, I mean, it's just, you got to some kind of mindset to promulgate this kind of stuff.
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Yeah.
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What it is, is it's basically the full manifestation of binary thinking is really what it is.
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Right.
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And that's, think binary, need, if humans are really going to thrive, we need to move out of binary thinking into what I call quantum thinking, which is where, you know.
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So brilliant.
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kind, generous minds like yours need to guide the thought process of the American people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, that's what we're intending to do.
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Yeah.
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And that's what it is.
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I think people are very open for leadership that will ultimately get them the most out of their experience on this planet, both in their health levels and their happiness and their
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financial well-being and all the things that...
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that make living life great.
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Agreed, Well, Alex, what's next for you?
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You've got this army of nurse practitioners.
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What's your what's your strategy?
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Tell the audience what you're planning to do or doing.
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Well, you know, I'm doing live events now.
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I just did one with Naomi Wolfe, who's a journalist, eight time international bestselling author.
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And.
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What I want to do is I want to align myself with well-known journalists of her caliber.
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I have another journalist who we're talking to about her keynoting our next event.
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And they're both interested in what happened over the last few years and some of the things we experienced.
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So they dig very deep into the problem with our system of health care.
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And I think it's important for people to understand
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the problem with this model of healthcare that we have today before they can appreciate something that's more proactive and longevity focused.
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I'm going to be doing more events that are focused on longevity, but I want to have relationships with like really like authentic, real journalists, not the propagandists.
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I want to partner with them.
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I also want to partner with all the top scientists and experts in the field of longevity.
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and create an event that's focused on bringing all these people together and have a place where ideas can be shared and people can meet like-minded people and where we can grow
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this model and philosophy of human optimization and longevity and fine tune it, and fine tune it.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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So how would people get ahold of you or learn about your next event or how, are they, where are going to track you down?
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Everything I am can be found at our website, which is a show inc.com spell that C H O I N C.com.
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Okay.
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Show inc.com.
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Okay.
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Human optimization show.
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Okay.
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Got it.
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All right, Alex.
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Well, it's such a pleasure.
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We'll put that in the show notes, but such a pleasure to chat with you again.
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And yeah, we'll connect offline here.
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It sounds like we got a few other things to chat about.
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that'll be fine.
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I'd love to anytime Dr.
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Gladden, your pleasure.
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Appreciate everything you do.
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thank you so much.
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Pleasure to talk to you.
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Thanks.