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#Keyforge Archons Corner AMA · Archons Corner

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  Hi, this is Michael Hurley from Ghost Galaxy, and you're listening to our
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  CON's corner. Really all right, everybody, what's going on? Everybody?
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  I am still on the only the wo okay, I e joined here by
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  the normal cast of misfits. Z showed up on time today? What's up
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  to say? I'm always on time? If I? Oh man, no
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  I'm not. That's so this is where you use that line a wizard,
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  you know? Ye there you go. Speaking of wizards, we got the
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  Choke Show, Draft Corps, Hi guys, cass drabs here cast raschke but
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  just some cash see yeah. Speaking of casuals, what's up do you walk?
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  Hello? Key Forge community. Glad to get actually introduced for once.
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  YEA been a couple of weeks. I introduced you. I okay, maybe
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  I didn't. I don't remember. But we got Sheep too. What's up
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  Sheep? Not much? That's the most excited I've heard you in months.
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  Uh. And we have the newest number to our little shit and dig showing
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  up. We got Southerly. What's up Southerly? Ahoy ahoy oh I like
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  it. Yeah, that got me. But we got some stuff and things
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  to go over. Tell people who Southerly is we did? I don't know?
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  Maybe what more do they need to know? Yeah? True, So
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  Southerly has been brought on to do our since our normal programmer and where not?
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  Yeah, and our normal programmer doesn't know how to program anymore drazz corp.
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  So so as a good podcast we would say welcome Southerly, who are
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  you? And how did you get into keyborge. We're not a good We're
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  not a good podcast, so we're skipping all of that. We're just a
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  bunch of still weird. Yeah, warned you guys, but we figured this
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  is a good time to have silently on. I don't know if it's going
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  to be joining us all the time, but he's working on some of the
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  background stuff for us as far as well. I guess it's up there.
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  For for the news, the score, I can't call it Zeta testing,
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  I just can't. It hurts. We are currently the z score process with
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  some of the long term and a few new patreons that are out in the
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  bow. Um but big news. Are you guys ready for this huge news
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  art? Did you hear about it? Sails? Are she got man?
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  She's got a a steck confirmation to the day. Yeah, I did all
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  right, which one of us sign it to him? But Creative Chaos was
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  insistent that he was going to get his after me. But indeed his conflication
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  confirmation came five minutes before mine. Oh by mere minutes. Eh, that's
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  right. I am still, to my knowledge, the last person to get
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  it, the last American. No no, the last American don't don't go,
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  don't go, say the last oh no no. We got enough trash
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  for laughing at the poor EU crowd and other countries not getting their stuff.
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  Hey, I feel bad. I feel bad for him. Like if if
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  we had to wait, and it really did it was, it was rough.
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  I can only imagine having to wait longer. And that's where I leave
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  it. Um, I mean, never mind, I was gonna. I
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  was just gonna start a USA chant. But it seems seems not good at
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  this point in time. But as it's probably waiting now that it's live in
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  TCO rights, No, God, that has to hurt too. I forgot
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  about all that. Now you can play TCO and they just get people playing
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  their stuff. I've got some stuff for selling, eBay, I got the
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  stuff. Man, you need some stuff, I got it. I also
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  have the stuff on eBay. We will ship it to you faster than gg
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  I it. That's probably not ye, it's the problem with all of that.
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  But voult tour Philly. We're here, Well we're almost here. Yeah,
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  you just say we're here, right, we're here. I mean by
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  the time you release those, it will be here. Yeah. Probably with
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  my way my schedule has been running lately. Yeah, by the time we
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  release this, well, you guys will be playing there you go, we
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  should probably might be. Yeah, we might want to figure out a recording
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  schedule for that week. Consider you guys are Scoots. Scoots could do it.
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  I mean, well maybe not drast Core. Drast Core you live there,
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  so yep, that's not a big thing. But I think the rest
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  of you are leaving on Thursday, which is the normal time we record what
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  these guys are all coming Friday on Thursday. No one's leaving on throw.
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  It's all Friday. It is very early Friday, though, very really well,
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  um, we'll figure something out. We'll figure something out for next week.
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  Maybe it'll just be me Southerly and drast Core. I mean, we
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  do have such titillating news to share every week that he said I'm just imagining
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  that it's going to be plethora of news for next week as well. I
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  mean maybe, I mean it is pretty big. This is who knows.
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  Maybe by next week they'll be like product announcements of Winter and International are gonna
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  get stuff, vault announcements for the other two here in the unknown amounts that
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  are there. See, your optimism is amazing today. By next Thursday,
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  we could be announcing the German nationals, the Italian nationals, the UK nationals,
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  because these are gonna have to happen real soon to go to this World's
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  event in four months. I did see a rumor of China event for real
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  or not. Sorry, that would be funny if the Chinese got Oh wait
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  yeah, Canada they should have a nationals right yeah, I mean you would
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  think Canada would have a nationals. They're like, right there, I'm greedy.
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  I just want to see actual information for our US prevo lease. Oh
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  well, I mean it is it is. Information is out so really there
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  is a not very well released flyer. Yeah that says you can get stuff.
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  There is nothing about like this is how we want you to run an
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  event. These are prize it These are UM tournament software. This is anything
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  like, here's three decks in a chain tracker, do what you want with
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  them, Like that's what we have at the moment. I don't mind that.
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  That's not that bad. It is that bad. If you're a store
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  looking to run this stuff, you give it to the person that plays key
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  Forge and the four other people that are there, we'll play with them,
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  Okay, I mean like that that is the honest way it will run.
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  But that's not very good for trying to build communities or do something with it,
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  like I mean, well and good science. I mean, and it's
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  not like they're like, oh, there's you know, what are the there's
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  no real prizing like really, I mean I shouldn't say real prising, but
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  there's no prizing involved, like there's no shards or anything getting handed out.
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  So wow, clearly because there's been nothing to announced. But as as a
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  representative of a store, who like or say you're a store and you're like,
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  oh, hey, key Forge was okay before, I wouldn't mind running
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  this. I don't have a current crowd, but I think I could run
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  this and make some money. I'm gonna order this, and then they're just
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  like, oh, I don't actually do with it, like, what's the
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  best tournament format for this game? What's like any research or work they have
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  to do is bad. Yeah, we do want to take the burden off
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  of the game store. As you heard from our own local game store.
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  They didn't know that we were actually meeting every week and we've been doing that
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  for multiple months now. They thought we are just another magic Pod group that
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  was over in the back, and so we had to really inform them.
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  So again, have a presence, talk to your your stores, keep buying
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  product. But yeah, anything we can do to remove any thought process from
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  them. Hey, there's a key forwards group, go play with them there
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  on this day. That's back, it's alive. That's what we really need
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  communicated. And you know, beyond that, we need software. We need
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  a lot more, but at least start there. All right, Moving farward
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  and SaaS update Zee, what's going on in the world of SaaS. She
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  just released something on the I think it's on the home page. I actually
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  never navigate to it, and it says this woe to be those who seek
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  the sas. The architect of SaaS are hard at work building sas and art
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  scores for Winds of Exchange. You should expect scores to be released around early
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  July, but no tadline has been set, and she also has a note
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  here that she is planning on building a feature for six dollars and up atreons
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  to preview SAS scores as they are built. That sounds terrifying, but yes,
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  I am part of that. I am one of the SaaS architects.
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  So we've been looking at lots of cards, lots of synergies, a lot
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  of things are going to have to change because what was very different our tidings
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  was technically very different, but the work really wasn't put in to see the
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  difference. But I can't affirm that there is a lot of work being done
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  on the back end to try to get SaaS scores to be at least as
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  accurate as the work for Koda. I don't know if that's gonna ever like
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  be be a thing because Koda was actually really easy to SAS because it was
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  built for that. So I'm not sure when this all get done. But
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  there is a whole group of people working on this daily as we speak.
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  And if you're tired of waiting for SaaS, sign up for our Patreon for
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  a dollar a month. You can get your Z score, you can get
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  that to day and you can get that back you would like to provide.
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  And the only the only thing that it will take the longest time is for
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  me to get you a green name tech or Orange orange on our discord.
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  You do you have to be part of our discord? Do you have to
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  be at least one other two Patreon? And right now you do. It
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  is all through Google. But potentially in the future, um, you'll see
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  that. Did you want to say anything about that set? At least in
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  you here with this? I don't know what there is to say there.
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  I'm the developer here there. They are played in the works. That's that's
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  what coders sound like, guys. Software software software zero zero one one,
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  zero zero one. I didn't go outside today. That that is the most
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  humble, humble statement there south the amount of time and effort that you have
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  put in. On the backside, I'm just still in awe. So thank
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  you, thank you, thank you. I still like that I didn't go
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  outside today. On the other side of that, as far as how the
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  Z score goes like, I've gotten multiple feedback this week and last week.
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  As far as like people telling me that the Z scores that they're seeing are
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  lining up with their decks that they've played a lot forever and the decks that
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  they've been seeing performing well in low coming up. So that's all super encouraging.
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  Um I hope it gets better over time, kind of just like SAS
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  did. And they can co exist together because they are very different animals,
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  even though the goals I mean the goals goals, so to rate decks in
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  a certain way, SAS and ARC account for everything all cards can do.
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  Z score doesn't necessarily do that because there are lots of cards I just don't
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  give a shit about because they don't win games, and they will never have
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  any impact under Z score other than to lower the effort of the deck because
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  they just don't win. Even if they do do this one thing randomly once
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  in a blue moon, and SaaS is going to put effort into capturing that
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  and score world not UM. So that is that is going to be the
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  main difference going forward, assuming they co exists peacefully. One day, don't
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  go to war. I've got time for war. I just need to signature.
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  Yeah, turned two keys at the same time, right, they're both
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  they're both crazy. But I've been enjoying seeing the parallels now that I'm working
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  on both SIDM too. Very interesting, but that time of year, we
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  haven't done one of these, and actually quite a long time, so we've
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  Doctor Sheep thought it was a good idea that we get into the ama Um.
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  That's why I brought Silently on because he is now a part of the
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  ac mingle. Um. Did you put these in order? Or my yeah
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  you did. I literally just tasted them from the discord in the order that
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  they were asked. Got it? Got it? That's good because I was
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  going to read out who actually asked them, because I think that sometimes will
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  give context. Um. But I would also just go to the discord.
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  Yeah, that's where I'm at. So I just wanted to know if they're
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  in that order. But let's start out with X ray sucks. Why is
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  Rookie the host of the show and not Doctor Sheep. We need more positivity.
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  Well, I don't check it up through the moon personality. I don't
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  know. Maybe because I started the show. I don't know it was kie
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  show. It is deference to you, I mean, and to be fair,
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  Sheep and Z we're hosts of the show for like a year when I
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  was gone. I wasn't gone for a year, but like for like three
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  months when I was gone, they basically around the show. It was ze
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  eu walk and sheet. I mean we did get better. Yeah, I
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  mean I'm here now. So and and he did get out to play key
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  Forge. I did. I got to play this week. Oh my goodness.
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  I was so excited to get out and actually just play some key Forge.
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  It was nice, it felt good. It felt good. So the
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  key to being the lead host is being the loudest and wookie. Right.
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  I thought it was like doing the editing because nobody wants to do that part.
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  Yeah. Also also that also including including the host. He also doesn't
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  want to do that, but yeah, let's do it. Yeah, but
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  he actually does it. So he also edited when we were recording and he
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  wasn't even here, so I'll give him that. I sure did. So
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  the show must go on, right, And sometimes you got a tap dance
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  and and sometimes I don't know where I was headed with that any but you
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  know you're not tap dancing, So yeah, I'm not tap You're right in
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  one hundred percent. I don't know how to tap dance. But I think
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  a lot of people like confused what a host is, Like, my job
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  is to facilitate the show moving forward and let all the others talk. Sometimes
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  I get on my soapbox, I bring out the old soapbox and rant.
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  But uh yeah, I think your job was to demand the unnerving of baton
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  switch. I thought that's what it was. Well, that's that's the soapbox.
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  That's one of my boxes that I bring out and that I stand on
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  and go, hey, what do you what do you think I mean?
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  One day, one day, Shadows will be free again to rule the world?
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  All right? How do you balance competitive natures with the randomness and coin
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  flipping kind of gameplay we experience? What keeps you playing this game rather than
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  going to something where you have more agency? Boy, we love that word,
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  like, I don't. I mean, at this point in time,
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  I feel like I used to know what the word agency mean meant, and
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  then gig came along, and I don't think anyone knows what this word means
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  anymore. But anyway, I don't actually know what they're referring to as far
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  as other games is more agency. Like, I'm from the board game world,
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  and there are board games that have like no random factors but most have
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  plenty of random factors. So like, this is just part of gaming,
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  right, Like I don't know of any other thing that I would even attempt
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  to go to that wouldn't have like that thing in it. Right. Well,
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  agency in this case often refers to deck building, yes, yeah,
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  but even if you're building a deck, like, I think what they're actually
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  like experiencing in gameplay is the same thing that happens there too, because like
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  all those deck building games, you can end up with clumping or bad drawls
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  or not x deck. Yeah. Well, walk walkbot, says dictionary dot
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  Com. Definition number nine of ten says the capacity to act or exert work.
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  Okay, I'm not if you just a little better, right, I
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  don't. I don't really know what happened there. Wait, what that's one
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  of the mini definitions. It's the actual definition. So you have the ability
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  to control your deck, which is what they're trying to do. But we
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  loved when the deck was just printed and we played what was given to us.
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  Yeah, but I think the thing, I think we have almost the
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  same amount of agencies any other game. Honestly, no one I think we
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  do know, Like you are delivered sealed yea, but even sealed right,
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  Like it is the puzzle aspect. It is the constraint that breeds innovation.
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  Right, How do I take this pile of questionable cards and makes good and
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  that to me is way more interesting than you know. How do I build
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  some pods to install win on turn four? Yeah, I have the exact
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  opposite. I want to insta on turn four. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,
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  you're also a part of the forest, so yeah, Or I want
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  to take everything to a screeching halt, to to just piss you off as
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  much as possible. What he's what he's joy is taking your agency away.
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  You can forge creatures, play creatures, make choices now. No, no,
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  I'm taking that all away. No, I want to play. I
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  want to play chess while you're playing checkers. That's that's really what I want
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  to do. Can we talk about the antiquities dealer that brought in Heart of
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  the Forest though for a second, why sh I love it? I love
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  it? So there's there's your spectrum. Love it, hate it, love
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  it. I will say for balance, competitive, I think that's key.
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  Forge has that balance. But I like to pick decks that are more consistent.
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  I think you look at that withdrawing efficiency, practice, being able to
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  play your deck. Um, but frankly, you gotta be okay with losing
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  because that's Key Forge. At times it's just completely out of your control with
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  the cards and how they come together. But that's the board game player in
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  me, and I'm okay with that. Yeah, that's something like that's all
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  games pretty much. It's every game I ever played really better that I played
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  a lot like anyone. That's like came up with the Catan experience. Right.
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  There's just certain games where you got the six and eight and it just
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  doesn't hit, like come on, um, you just gotta learn to so
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  you know, play through it. Okay. So my input on this is
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  agency, which back did Ewok's definition, which is ability to put in work
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  right. Like that is why Key four is the game for a lot of
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  people, because you there is to a greater extent in this than other games,
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  diminishing returns for work spent not practicing actual play right the other card games
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  and a lot of build a deck games like spending a ton of time right
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  as sets are coming out or being right on the cutting edge and having the
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  plans and trying to build meta decks and spending tons of time thinking about that
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  is beneficial, and then the other half of the world net decks it whatever
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  the best players think of. But the best players out there, they're on
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  the cutting edge and winning because they spend a ton of time with their agency
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  planning what's going to be good and what's going to work that happens. That
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  is a thing in key Forge, for sure, but you have far less
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  ability to say I want exactly this set of colors. You get these few
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  cards with some other stuff, right like that. That's how it works in
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  this game, and that is why it is a game for so many because
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  we don't have time to constantly be re doing iterations on a single deck.
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  I mean, like, is this past if I have three copies of this
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  kill spell and put in this one that handles this situation, or is it
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  has to have four copies of this and I gotta play fifty games with this
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  deck each way to find out which one actually gives me the highest win percentage,
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  Right Like people do that with Magic. People are doing that with key
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  Forwards with some extent too, But it's like it's an a B deck thing.
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  It's maybe they're doing it more and as as they were talking about in
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  an alliance, Like people do that an alliance, they switch out pods and
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  then they have to play a ton more games to see if that is overall
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  effective. And that sounds awful to me, and I hate it. And
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  it's why I play this game because you don't have to do that stuff and
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  you can still be competitive, right, Like, that's why I like this
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  game. And this game also has the unique aspect of the deck. I'm
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  Plane is not the deck You're plane where I can be competitive at top and
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  magic because I can neck deck, right, I'm I'm that smart. But
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  that loses a lot of luster to me, Like, yeah, I'm just
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  playing the same deck as somebody else, Like even though I'm gonna go play
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  Fraud, which is the same deck somebody else is played, but nobody else
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  is playing Fraud at this event. So that's the things that make key Forge
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  the game. Yeah. Well, and even to what your point, like
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  and Fraud, yes, every deck is unique. Yeah, yeah, Fraud
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  is so unique. There's very like there aren't any other really equivalent ish decks
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  to it either. So it's not like like you could say someone else is
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  also playing any similar deck. No one else will be playing this or deck
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  either, So like that is still a pretty unique thing about the game we
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  play that does not exist elsewhere. But I think in the end, the
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  answer to this question is like, we don't actually consider the result as random
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  as I think the question is asking we. I think most of us consider
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  to be along the gameplay experience as most other games that are deck builders.
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  And then there is Yes, there are high rolls, low roles, but
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  that is all games that is a watch for us. I think that's what
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  we're saying. All right, anybody else chiming in before we move on?
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  Going once, going twice? Question how many wild wormholes? Is too many
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  wild wormholes? Four? Yeah, and a good one. There is no
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  such thing as too many Nova and me fight about this card. I hate
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  this card. This card. This is if random inconsistency stuffs that we were
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  just talking about in the last question, right, Like, this is the
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  kind of randomness that can drive me nuts. Yeah, if you're um,
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  number of wild wormholes is equal to or greater than the number of key hammers
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  in your decks. See see, I have a different answer. Ready,
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  I'm ready three three because I enjoy d house in Jabrey. Oh oh,
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  hold on, So we do need one more. We need one more because
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  at this moment called the Discovery call of Discoveries winning because they came out with
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  an episode more recently wild Wormhole. You just need one more and then you
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  guys win. So I don't know what what you guys are waiting for.
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  Get on it. They've moved on to a new cast. You got to
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  go back and republic, go back to that thread publiode just being like we
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  won, and then yeah, that's why I don't need we wanted to just
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  hates me. I swear like, if I play this card Keyhammer will not
• 26:18
  even be in my deck. It will find it on top of my deck
• 26:22
  and play it to them later. You lose, uh frod is guaranteed the
• 26:30
  wild Wormhole into a battle fleet when you have zero Mars cards. Fantastic.
• 26:37
  Yeah, I mean it's just like anything. It depends on the deck.
• 26:41
  And yeah, you also have to know what's in your drop hile m hm,
• 26:45
  Yeah, you know my math right and all that, and then you
• 26:48
  still get burned. It's great, and then it's actually far worse to lose
• 26:52
  to somebody who's like and if I wild Wormhole into my key cheat, I
• 26:56
  win, yes, and then they happens against me normally something I'm like,
• 27:06
  if I wild wormhole into my wild wormhole, that will give me my seven
• 27:11
  and then if that wild wormhole hits my key charge, I win. And
• 27:14
  then it just happens and you're like, I hate I hate this game.
• 27:18
  Yeah, that did something like that to me. Today. They're like,
• 27:21
  if I reap to draw efforbuts and principle, I can have one more turn.
• 27:25
  And then that happened. They had fourteen cards in their deck. It
• 27:27
  was like that kind of randomness. It's frustrating. It is frustrating, but
• 27:37
  it is also part of wild game is fun again, stupid stuff happens,
• 27:42
  yeah, And I mean, like I'm competitive and all, but like I
• 27:47
  can accept that silly stuff is going to happen and you just go on with
• 27:49
  your day. And then she gets a warning because he threatens his opponent.
• 27:55
  But anyway, um, I've never threatened anybody. Oh, because I'm like
• 28:03
  that you did it wasn't you walk? When? What did you do?
• 28:10
  Like you threw cards or something. I tossed my deck on the table because
• 28:14
  I was frustrated and that was a time call thing. I could you know
• 28:18
  a player that did slam like their hands on the table. But it was
• 28:22
  not. This is in the yetty days, so I don't know, but
• 28:30
  yes it was. Yes, you threw your cards, I'm sorry, or
• 28:33
  slammed your I don't remember. It was actually because they lost with fraud um
• 28:44
  repeat coming next weekend. I am still the notion that wild Wormhole is the
• 28:49
  worst card in KeyForge. Oh no, it is not true. Definitely not
• 28:55
  the worst card. I hate it. It's the worst card to me.
• 29:00
  It's all right, I will take wild Wormholes and you can have dipods deal
• 29:07
  or I want nerves? Can I have nerves? Do you ask? You
• 29:11
  can have narves? Perfect? All right? Move us along? All right.
• 29:15
  When you hand someone your phone to show them a picture, how many
• 29:21
  swipes is too far past the subject? One? Yeah, phone to show
• 29:27
  you a picture? What are you looking for? Creepful? You may not
• 29:33
  like what you swipe too, depends on who in passinga to right. I
• 29:37
  don't know, I like, go ahead, You'll hand it off to someone
• 29:41
  who's not very technologically literate, and then like they just keep going, Oh
• 29:47
  what does this? Why don't you think about it? Why do you keeps
• 29:49
  grolling? It? Told people look at the Yeah. I mean I actually
• 29:55
  like hand your phone to another person. I just hold it in front of
• 29:57
  their face and then I go, you see with your eyes fifteen pictures from
• 30:06
  vacation, and you hand it over so they can swipe. But that one
• 30:10
  like, oh look you saw you know, you saw whatever. You saw
• 30:12
  this animal and you saw this car burning on the side of the road.
• 30:17
  Only sheep, only ships, that's the next Arcon's corner picture. If I
• 30:23
  hand you my phone, you are allowed to swipe through all of the pictures.
• 30:29
  It's like, but what if they get thumbnail? Now that's not on
• 30:34
  my phone? Oh that is That is the kind of boring I am.
• 30:38
  You will see a whole lot of pictures from work not on his phone.
• 30:45
  I think almost all of the pictures of my phone would be like keyboard,
• 30:49
  just like ducks. Like you want to check out my deck picture. Somehow
• 30:52
  I'm not. I have a lot of QR codes pictures in my phone.
• 31:00
  Somehow I'm not surprised. Somehow I'm not surprised. So, uh, you
• 31:04
  walk how many swipes can we swipe in your phone? One? I told
• 31:08
  you be careful. You may not want or like to see what you swipe
• 31:11
  too, so be careful. I think if the most well, now that
• 31:17
  you had to get rid of that phone, you probably have the most PG
• 31:21
  phone in this group. Okay, so so if if you walk has the
• 31:27
  most PG phone, right, who has the most rated IR phone? Are
• 31:33
  you're stopping? Well? Okay, you want to go X, triple X
• 31:37
  whatever? Who's got the US Who's got the spiciest phone there? I don't
• 31:47
  know. I don't know Southerly well enough to throw him under the bus.
• 31:51
  I kind of want to just I mean, isn't Southerly young? Like,
• 31:56
  yeah, Southerly? How old are you? You're like, so you're twenty?
• 32:00
  Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I would have like knowing, I would
• 32:06
  have to vote for Southerly. But mind you, he's going to school for
• 32:08
  coding. That's fine, that's cool now, Oh that's cool now? Oh
• 32:15
  yeah, I thought it was born. It's still not cool. The ladies
• 32:23
  are no, I guess not. Well, let's let's leave it to the
• 32:31
  listeners. Put it. Put it on the chat. Who you think has
• 32:35
  the most spicy phone in uh? In the AC group? The guy could
• 32:42
  actually probably challenge Jr's claim, like, it's probably my phone is probably literally
• 32:46
  just a thousand decks, like, I don't know if there's anything else?
• 32:51
  Did it? You have a thousand pictures in your phone? JR. Is
• 32:54
  gonna have a lot of family pictures. I think, yeah, oh yeah,
• 32:59
  yeah, I have done. My wife takes all those things and I
• 33:06
  don't take pictures of them on travel really other than the ones I have to.
• 33:09
  I use this thing called my brain. I just remember being there,
• 33:15
  just remember, Yeah, what do I need pictures for? You don't remember
• 33:19
  last week? How do you mind? Built with people? When you're talking
• 33:22
  about the remembering? Was it? Oh? I don't know. Say that
• 33:28
  when we get back from Philly, snuggle buddy. Oh all right, moving
• 33:35
  far? Which house have creatures with the hardest to pronounce names? Oh that's
• 33:38
  easy, crazy, it's the new one. Is it Equiton or is it
• 33:45
  Myers? The actually wrote all the Mars ones in a way that you can
• 33:52
  actually say them, Like half the Equiton creatures we are like blue. Yeah,
• 33:57
  it's shapes above letters like you can't even phonetic your way through them.
• 34:04
  It's just it's like, what is what is the A with the up down
• 34:08
  of the you know, the the smiley face on top. I don't know,
• 34:13
  Like every time I see house EQUEDONDI have everybody ever watched Bert Crunch Krushire
• 34:21
  the Machine. Nope, now okay, So he does the whole thing about
• 34:24
  how he joined the Russian mob in uh in his like college years, but
• 34:30
  he was taking Russian and the only reason he was passing Russian was because,
• 34:35
  like they needed a kid for the class, and he just happened to be
• 34:37
  that kid. So he was just his teachers like, I'll just give you
• 34:40
  a C. It's like, you know how hard it is to fake being
• 34:44
  in a class when you have to write your when your alphabets written in hieroglyphics.
• 34:50
  That's how I feel every time I look at an equedont name, smiley
• 34:54
  face, star, hashtag. So I went back through our comment and I
• 35:00
  gotta be honest, there were more. I had both Mars and Aquedun up
• 35:04
  here. I do think it's gonna fall on ikey, ikey, But you
• 35:07
  do have you know your Shrew, Ambassador Steward, Sue Uzane, the old
• 35:14
  Tinker, you have the belligerent guard. You have a number that do not
• 35:19
  follow the standard process. For Akey. Mars can get a little wonky with
• 35:24
  mass, like John Smith. Correct is even the stupid Mars ones are written
• 35:31
  in a way they can make a word without interrupting the way you speak.
• 35:37
  The full frocks is zizzle frock flip it phizzics league like these are just okay
• 35:43
  to say and everyone knows what you're staying yeah from Like other ones, which
• 35:50
  buggies, which no one's ever gonna know. It's the buggy that does this
• 35:53
  thing that I agree with, Like, no one will ever know which buggy
• 35:59
  you're top about. You literally have to just say, it's the buggy that
• 36:02
  draws cards, it's the buggy the gains amber, it's the buggy that makes
• 36:07
  tokens, Like that's it. They are all those whatever bug Yeah, they
• 36:13
  all start with s itch I with the smiley over it, like like what
• 36:17
  do you even? I don't know, And they got their eyes with hearts.
• 36:22
  Yeah, that's that's actually the next that's actually the next house. I'm
• 36:25
  sorry, I guess spoilers. Oh the grim reminders, all the Gorman guysts
• 36:30
  got their eyes with hearts. That would be a great house theme. But
• 36:35
  anyways, what is the worst card to draw in your opening hand after a
• 36:39
  Mulligan anything? It's uh gammers, No, it's got to be the Curse
• 36:50
  Relic because I don't know. I still think stuff like from back in the
• 36:55
  day, because I played Code Away more than anything else. Like, nothing
• 37:00
  pissed me off more than drawing TMTP after a Mulligan like that. That was
• 37:05
  an experience I will never forget because it just mean every time it happened.
• 37:10
  Yeah, like whenever you get your only scaling amber control in the deck.
• 37:14
  Yeah, that hurts. So I like that you guys are listing specific cards.
• 37:17
  I just went more general, your late game card that you need in
• 37:21
  this specific matchup because it always happens every time. Yeah, like WHOA today
• 37:25
  Mulligan into the only written right, It's like, come on, obviously I
• 37:30
  need this card. I'm playing Whoa. This is probably the only A card
• 37:34
  on my deck. But so uh it's frustrating, like Relic, Like I
• 37:42
  have a Chris Relic deck. I have no way to discard it out of
• 37:45
  my hand. I haven't. Just don't play that, just don't play it.
• 37:51
  I mean, yeah, you know what, Chris Relk is gonna be
• 37:54
  great for creating alliance pods. Yeah, yeah, about to say creating Alliance
• 38:00
  per Bit Alliance, Yeah, because like there are already decks I think that
• 38:05
  if someone said there's decks with two cursed relics, that means there's just twelve
• 38:07
  random amber in this deck themware like there's Yeah, it's gonna create some really
• 38:12
  stupid pods, that's what that will do. Oh no, though, because
• 38:15
  I know of an mmpod that I have where there's like ten extra ember in
• 38:20
  it, but it's all gets evenly distributed throughout the deck, so doesn't load
• 38:22
  up with crazy pads. I mean, that can happen, but it can
• 38:27
  also be more likely to happen. I think it's gonna be a bit rar
• 38:31
  well because it's a little bit better than the old ones in MM, because
• 38:35
  curse relic can't get enhanced, right, So like if there are two curse
• 38:40
  relics in the deck, now you're talking about thirty four cards. There's already
• 38:45
  other enhancers in most pods anyway, Like you're you're talking about a number of
• 38:50
  amber, like, well just pips in general that are gonna go swarm crazy
• 38:53
  over thirty four distribution versus thirty six. All right, so quick search on.
• 39:00
  Okay, here there are six stacks already imported that have two cursed relics,
• 39:05
  even the second one in here. Now it's a Storian pod, so
• 39:07
  I'm not super excited. But you got one, two, three, four,
• 39:10
  five, six, seven extra printed amber that's coming in on top.
• 39:15
  Correct. Yeah, and that's where it it's a little bit off this one.
• 39:20
  Here's got four, you have two, four, get six in this
• 39:25
  unfathomable That unfathomable I would definitely take. So it's when you have multiples and
• 39:32
  you don't have to go ahead and bring in the actual cursed relic your form.
• 39:39
  Yeah yeah, uh double double b funnel initiation plunder sunk cost zero basin
• 39:49
  l posts and bubbles with two. Oh yeah, that's a really good pot.
• 39:54
  Yeah all right, come on, next question, it's curse rowlick.
• 40:00
  We all agree. Now, Now I still say whatever you're playing on TCO,
• 40:04
  because chances are you're getting whatever you mulligan right back with what is your
• 40:12
  what is? What is your worst deck? Does anybody know what their worst
• 40:17
  deck is? I don't know. Yes, ye zmite because he liked he
• 40:22
  liked reversal. Well, so I have my reversal deck I have. I
• 40:28
  don't consider my best reversal deck my worst deck. Correct, And that's what
• 40:31
  I put by stats. My reversal deck actually gets play, whereas if you
• 40:37
  look at second worst or what's there, it's it never see his play because
• 40:42
  it's got too many creatures. So so first deck determined by what I think
• 40:49
  that worst deck. Okay, so what when I went for and I'll throw
• 40:53
  this, Let's be honest, you're not gonna link it. So this deck
• 40:57
  is Bronson you Dragon Pack, the Singularity, And why does this jump out
• 41:01
  at me? Double hit and Run, Kimer, Eclipse, mug double Past,
• 41:07
  blow trust no One. Oh wait, look at the creatures double Bad,
• 41:12
  Penny Breaker, Hill Hugger, Mugger Simon, And then it's got the
• 41:19
  good, wholesome Brobnar World's Collie triple Volcano. I mean this dak just yeah,
• 41:30
  it's just real bad. I was gonna saying my worst ack is my
• 41:31
  highest saastact that I can't sell. Yeah, there you go, right,
• 41:37
  because it's like it promises to be good but it's not, and then nobody
• 41:42
  will give me money for it either, So it's totally trash. Yeah,
• 41:49
  lots of lots when I name my worst act, because I just throw them
• 41:53
  all in the fetter bin, so I have a whole bin here. All
• 42:00
  they are all equally bad to me because like they're either reversal, they have
• 42:04
  a fun jinkie thing, or they're competitive. Everything else to me is equally
• 42:07
  as bad as everything else. Alrighty, yeah, it's hard to get a
• 42:15
  real reversal deck and they're just so painful. I know what my worst deck
• 42:21
  is, the one I'm currently losing with in seal Ah. There you go.
• 42:28
  All right, this isn't the question I want answered the most. How
• 42:30
  many people need to be a top level Patreon to get ze to try and
• 42:36
  win with a Vault tour with a strange shell deck? Does this mean like
• 42:40
  register one ARCon event and play it, Because if it's that, it still
• 42:46
  would have to be a lot like what what what's the cause of our top
• 42:50
  Patreon cookie there? Ten or twenty? But it might I'm gonna be top
• 43:00
  level patreons for me to register park to play with a strange shell deck four
• 43:06
  thousand dollar Patreon. We'll take that, kid. It doesn't say, it
• 43:08
  doesn't say you have to, It doesn't say it has to be our con.
• 43:14
  It just says strange shell deck. So you could technically build alliance deck
• 43:19
  what we're playing. Alliance deck registered in the event, maybe twice as much
• 43:24
  to play a lions with a strange shell. I put one hundred thousand at
• 43:30
  the one dollar tier, and I think we can do it one hundred thousand
• 43:34
  at the one dollar tier. You think we're gonna get one hundred thousand patreons?
• 43:37
  No, no, but I don't think he's playing strange shell deck.
• 43:40
  That's fine. Actually, I'll just say one hundred. If we ever have
• 43:45
  one hundred ten dollars to your patreons, I would actively search for the best
• 43:50
  strange shell deck I could find or borrow from someone or make a clone of
• 43:55
  um, and I would register prove it hundred take z out of one of
• 44:02
  the vts. There you go, guys, just just for a cool thousand
• 44:07
  dollars UM. All right, what's your favorite? What is your favorite in
• 44:14
  Woe? I'm not really sure where this one had. Where this one's gone.
• 44:17
  I think it's for I think it was set up for a flavor text,
• 44:21
  because if you look underneath, what's your favorite and woe favorite ever with
• 44:24
  the funniest flavor text? Uh, these cards have flavored text. I was
• 44:30
  gonna say these cards have flavor text. Oh crap, I don't know.
• 44:36
  I shall look ahead because I definitely have enjoyed some of the flavor texts.
• 44:42
  Visit the vault. Let me I'll share. I actually did research ahead of
• 44:47
  time. Way to go, guys, just bringing the cast up again.
• 44:51
  Um My, mine is going to be Dragnet. Just the clams, ma'am.
• 45:00
  I already know my favorite. I saw that one I read all yeah,
• 45:04
  my favorite is troll. It's always been troll. Does anyone know it?
• 45:10
  No? No, I don't remember. Don't feed it, It'll go
• 45:14
  away. It's like the best advice that anyone that talks to the community could
• 45:20
  ever read. It's that is pretty good. Yep. The New World cards
• 45:25
  I like Rant and Ride. Your flavor text is there now nobody gets it?
• 45:31
  That's great. That's fun. The brick Nasty is pretty good. The
• 45:37
  uh Loudness eight out of ten, Destruction nine out of ten. I like
• 45:42
  this band Thorne broad Armed music critic, which now needs to be a card
• 45:46
  music critic. They need to there's another card they need to make. Well
• 45:52
  before they make that card. All right, let's why you know what I
• 45:57
  liked? Uh? Um, what's the uh? Shoot the um? Uh?
• 46:05
  I'm doing great, guys, all right, never mind keeping standing arm
• 46:10
  the plebs. This can't possibly backfire. Those are my plans. Hey,
• 46:19
  what's this? All right? Have I got it? I got it?
• 46:22
  Master the theory. In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
• 46:28
  I like that. All right, we're reading one of the next one.
• 46:32
  Are we're gonna read the flavor? Yep. I actually like for fate
• 46:37
  for other sets, I like telega, don't try to change the crucible to
• 46:42
  suit your needs, Let it change you who that was there. And then
• 46:47
  for just kind of funniest flavor, I still love Nature's call with the actual
• 46:53
  image. And then what the flavor text is, gotta go, gotta go,
• 46:57
  gotta go. So I thought that card still rings after coda many many
• 47:02
  years later. Maybe one day it'll come back one day, all right.
• 47:09
  Have the AC crew ever come to physical altercation over the wanton destruction of deck
• 47:17
  via the shredder format we're talking about, y'all? I think it only happened
• 47:22
  once. He was threatened to punch me, but he didn't. Thought.
• 47:29
  I thought you guys did come. I thought you guys had an altercation.
• 47:31
  It was it was, it was not if it's a vis. So,
• 47:37
  so here's the thing. He went ahead and shredded wo decks over at KFC.
• 47:42
  But he didn't do it in front of me. He is doing it
• 47:44
  all slyly in the background, and then he's like, hey, did you
• 47:47
  see that that Cheep's over there going ahead and shredding wo decks? Because that's
• 47:52
  just a kick in people's face, especially now that people in other countries still
• 47:59
  can't get their woe. I think that they should definitely set up a Patreon
• 48:04
  where they just pay for me to get out of jail for punching him in
• 48:07
  the face again that you'd like to save a deck for him, Doctor Sheep's
• 48:10
  shredder. You can now buy them from him? Oh yeah you can.
• 48:22
  Yeah, it just happened the ones. It wasn't really an alter altercation.
• 48:24
  But you can see those pictures over on our instagram if you so desire.
• 48:29
  They are there. We have an instagram, yeah we do. I mean,
• 48:32
  not much gets put on it because I don't really take pictures, so
• 48:37
  and Sheep just remembers things. So I mean, to be fair, everyone
• 48:44
  like you know that one time where that one thing happened. Sheep does typically
• 48:46
  remember what it was, so to be fair, he does just remember things,
• 48:51
  So I mean, herds out Sheep's Bebry is admissible in court, so
• 48:55
  you know he's good. All right? What is your most favorite combo in
• 49:00
  key Forge? Can I go with mine? First? Sure? Is that?
• 49:06
  Is that? Okay? Everybody? All right? It's Hard of the
• 49:08
  Forest than the Hate. Is that a key Forge combo or not? No?
• 49:15
  Okay? Just look in your opponents? Do you play it? That's
• 49:19
  right? Yeah, that's the combo is passing them the deck list and start
• 49:30
  just the way until I come up with my five Heart of the Forest deck.
• 49:34
  It's gonna hel you'll be an alliance. I will never see it.
• 49:37
  That's fine. Um mine is old like it's because it's probably it is the
• 49:43
  first deck I bought. It's it's battle Fleet key Abduction, the very first
• 49:47
  deck that I actually like went out searched for found, like you know,
• 49:52
  actually negotiated it, spent more than fifty bucks on have three battle Fleets and
• 49:58
  key Abduction. And that's actually how I met Nova. I won an event
• 50:01
  playing that deck and we started talking about after that, which was really weird
• 50:06
  because deer An event people kept like talking about it, and then they were
• 50:08
  like watching each of my games and then like pinging me about it the next
• 50:15
  week. So that's my favorite combo because I think it's is what kind of
• 50:19
  got me further into the the meta side of the game outside of just like
• 50:22
  store level play. Sheep, what's your favorite combo? Mine was Nipple con
• 50:30
  curb one concede. Yeah that was good. Is that a combo? Uh?
• 50:38
  Absolutely? Okay, fair enough, JR. Tell us about your um,
• 50:46
  your your your your collector worm. I don't play. I don't play
• 50:52
  combos. No. The forever combo that will sit with me is I'm playing
• 51:00
  a nice deck for KFPL key Forge Premier League, and there's this Logos creature
• 51:09
  that has a tendency to be able to cycle. I don't know, I
• 51:15
  don't remember what what is that Logos creature that if you have another creature out
• 51:20
  that if it dies, I don't know. It's a Tomaton of some sort.
• 51:23
  Yeah, it just I can't remember. There was some other part that
• 51:27
  happened, a discard that was an upgrade that went on it, but I
• 51:31
  don't remember what it was, so we didn't know either. You have to
• 51:37
  tell our listeners what you're talking about. Yeah, no, I'm good now
• 51:40
  I want to know. So this was when Ja was playing one of Z's
• 51:47
  decks four KFPL and kind of the main feature for dealing with things is it
• 51:55
  had a toomaton and Solkeeper, So you put the Soalkeeper around the automaton and
• 52:00
  then it dies and then it kills the most powerful enemy creature. But the
• 52:05
  Soulekeeper never goes away, right because the atomaton never goes away. And they
• 52:07
  also had up sitting forged in a bunch of other gud. There's a ton
• 52:10
  of ways to kill it yourself. Just every turn. Deck also have shark
• 52:15
  No, no, that's all, that's not that one. Yeah, but
• 52:19
  it's it's that kind of thing. And then there was a turn and yet
• 52:22
  Ewalk exoomed something else pointless and then dropped the soul Keeper on it. I
• 52:29
  was watching the game and I was just dumbfounded. Oh oh it's actually it
• 52:32
  was it? So yeah, there was there was some comments that were said,
• 52:40
  I'm sure we were very friendly and accepting of your mistake. I still
• 52:46
  remember this favorite combo, Southerly. That's why we're always learning new things about
• 52:53
  keyboards. Southerly, what's your favorite combo? This is just a one one.
• 53:00
  It's it's it's not that great. But when you have like an Archimedes.
• 53:05
  Well there's this one specific deck, right, and it has a Martian
• 53:08
  generosity so it can set up whatever you want and as a memory chip so
• 53:12
  you can put all your logos cards away and you can get Archimedes bouncing death,
• 53:17
  Cork Helper bat into Brenda Fanatic. And there's multiples of a bunch of
• 53:22
  cards, so you can pull it off three four turns in a row.
• 53:25
  It gets a bit at present. Very nice. Nice Dravis Carter, we
• 53:30
  get your favorite combo yet? Yeah, So I I don't know. I've
• 53:36
  got so many different ones that I've enjoyed and searched for. I think when
• 53:39
  I first first started playing, the one that I was like, oh,
• 53:45
  I'm gonna try to do that, it was staying showeda and then some sort
• 53:52
  of bounce, so that was like super early. The other thing that comes
• 53:58
  to mind is the one I don't have. I don't have Animator redacted with
• 54:04
  a bunch of capture pips. I've one day I would love to just do
• 54:07
  that, even if the rest of the deck sucks. Just like, get
• 54:10
  a deck that can do that and be happy with that. All Right.
• 54:17
  One searched for a back end coda and I did a lot of searching.
• 54:22
  The only one person ever had it, and I'm pretty sure he sold it
• 54:27
  was um oh, I just totally drew a blank on it. Oh my
• 54:32
  goodness. See what's your favorite card and KeyForge? Control the Week, favorite
• 54:39
  cardage, Control the Control the Week. It used to be control the Week.
• 54:44
  But I'm actually kind of like tiptoing my my happy self towards the Fuddle
• 54:51
  because like I didn't like learn this still again, we've been working on Sassin
• 54:55
  art guys, So like Control the Week has pitfall, right, Like you
• 55:00
  have to know their face shift, you have to do the card counts and
• 55:02
  all this other crap right when you have to be fuddles. You just named
• 55:07
  two different houses. This just complete playlock. Whereas to control the weeks in
• 55:10
  hand, say you have four or five of them in deckt like you kind
• 55:13
  of have to like wait on them or whatever. You have to make those
• 55:15
  decisions. And another thing about like when you're controlling week into someone that has
• 55:22
  like house cheating, whether it's a zoom or valve or face shift, like
• 55:27
  you kind of have to stay away from those houses because they have access to
• 55:30
  more than just that house. But the Fuddle literally says the word cannot play
• 55:35
  other than that house, So house cheating does not work. It is a
• 55:38
  playlock except for one house. So I actually might like the fuddle more than
• 55:45
  Control the Week. But yes, but prior to very recently, Control the
• 55:49
  Week was by far my favorite card. Yeah, that was a comboy I
• 55:51
  always searched for. It was Control of the Week, screaming Cave. I
• 55:54
  just thought it was a combo that didn't get much much attention. I thought
• 55:58
  it should get more. And then because it's luck sack in the end,
• 56:01
  is I understand? That's why I need that luck and I like rolling the
• 56:09
  dice. I'm a perpetual gambler. Um. The other one was Genka.
• 56:15
  I've given up my Genka dreams because she gave me a Genka deck and then
• 56:17
  sent it to Rick. So my, my, my whole dreams of ever
• 56:22
  owning a Genka deck just went really out the window. Oh I stopped caring
• 56:28
  at that point. Doesn't sheep have two? Okay, okay, well we'll
• 56:35
  go all right, what's the fares? I still have cheap sealed AOA,
• 56:38
  I tell myself, Oh, I've got a Jenka deck I just haven't opened
• 56:43
  yet. M I have a lot of cheap sealed. If I've ever even
• 56:47
  opened Marking Dinner, Rossy, I've opened one, Yeah, I've I've opened
• 56:52
  one. I've opened one. All right, what's the farthest you'd travel for
• 57:00
  a vault? Are you? Liked? So we knows? He is Germany?
• 57:06
  Yeah? Men does Germany? To play key Forward? I don't know
• 57:09
  if I would do that again? Um, I feel like the answers no.
• 57:14
  But again, what was our term fanaticism? Yep, Yeah, it's
• 57:22
  a dumb fanaticism I think was it was? It was it dumb fanaticism,
• 57:27
  irrational, irrational? There we go. Yeah, I I was about three
• 57:36
  and a half seconds away from booking a trip to the Netherlands to play in
• 57:43
  the Vault tour there. Well it didn't happen. Oh is this is this
• 57:50
  pre COVID This is like right right. It was like February twenty twenty,
• 57:53
  and I was like, you know, like not click book and like let
• 57:57
  me just see how this goes. And I guess a good thing I did.
• 58:01
  Wait ye, So, um, I was had this whole master plan
• 58:07
  to like combine it with a family vacation. It was gonna be like the
• 58:10
  whole thing, JR. How far are you going for some for some key
• 58:15
  Forge Dallas Damn. Okay, fair enough, solut? How far are you
• 58:23
  going for key Forge our drive? Fair enough? All right? Are are
• 58:30
  you like x ray? Will you not fly? Oh? I don't mind
• 58:32
  flying him just I'm a college student. Oh well, I suppose if we
• 58:37
  get those x ray just won't fly. So he will fly now surprised giving
• 58:51
  him like a muscle relaxer, so he sleeps now. He's just working two
• 58:55
  jobs now and can't just screw up in the dummies. Xanex are legal by
• 59:04
  you. I was like, uh, I didn't get that memo. But
• 59:10
  weird story, weird flex bro. All right, um, do you think
• 59:15
  gig creating a digital platform would be good for KeyForge as a whole? We
• 59:20
  have a digital platformed, thank you for beating me to the it's just not
• 59:28
  going to f and happen. Stop asking us the squestion. But like,
• 59:30
  like a digital platform exists, Like what more do you want? Well,
• 59:35
  I mean in their last ownership article they even kind of said like this is
• 59:40
  the first step. Yeah with digital stuff, Dude, If it's taking this
• 59:47
  long to get product over to Europe or around the world, we're not looking
• 59:53
  at anything anything totally different people and team that would happen. Like most people
• 1:00:00
  have absolutely nothing to do with getting physical product out. I think this would
• 1:00:07
  actually probably be an amazing digital game. Well, but the thing is like,
• 1:00:12
  okay, so what do you do to top what TCO is doing right
• 1:00:15
  now? What you add to making a real product, Like if it looks
• 1:00:17
  as close to her Stone, we might have more players than her Stone.
• 1:00:23
  It is a better game. But like there's lots of quality of life features
• 1:00:30
  the TCO doesn't have. They're not gonna have them. They really just don't
• 1:00:32
  give a shit about that, real, could you? I you know,
• 1:00:37
  like why can't I press a key and play like whatever cards in the first
• 1:00:42
  slot, second slot? Like why do you have to use the mouse at
• 1:00:45
  all? Like you on hot what You're so amazing you don't even want to
• 1:00:50
  use a mouse? You know how much vaster or what I'm talking about would
• 1:00:53
  be though, Like it's I don't know, the gooey for a TCO is
• 1:00:58
  real? Real slow, I mean slow walk still be slow, but otherwise
• 1:01:04
  I'm really still back over here on the previous states slow And I think I'm
• 1:01:10
  in our ac live chat with JML that we need to have an Ewok for
• 1:01:15
  Punching Sheep twenty twenty three campaign. So yeah, we need to be a
• 1:01:19
  different Patreon goal. Like if we get like two thousand a month now for
• 1:01:23
  a video, we need forty seven forty seven. So we're already there.
• 1:01:30
  I feel a punch coming out. Forty seven ten dollars patrons. Oh,
• 1:01:36
  we've got like forty I don't know. We don't have forty seven ten dollars.
• 1:01:39
  Patrons have forty seven pats Uh you might. Now we're at thirty something
• 1:01:46
  right now. I think, Oh, we're at fifty eight. Yeah,
• 1:01:51
  a letter than seven. Yeah. All I'm saying and is I'm swinging back.
• 1:01:57
  Oh well, and if there's one thing I know is it's got a
• 1:02:00
  more broken down body than me. So I'm winning this fight, oh for
• 1:02:05
  sure. Right now. The amount of battered in bruising that I have right
• 1:02:09
  now is absolutely ridiculous. So yeah, So if you'd like to see Ewok
• 1:02:14
  versus Doctor Sheep on pay per view, this is an old man fight.
• 1:02:20
  We might be able to make that half of the gains to the side.
• 1:02:22
  We might be able to make that happen. All right. With chains gone
• 1:02:25
  is the future of key forge more pay to win. I don't know what
• 1:02:30
  chains has to do with that statement. I don't know why people think chains
• 1:02:34
  made an impact. Like we had a whole segment at least I had a
• 1:02:37
  whole segment on here where I talked about how chains where I totally failed experiment,
• 1:02:45
  and how they really impacted the game. Right. There's a few small
• 1:02:49
  pockets where it was sami meaningful and some people chased getting all those chains to
• 1:02:54
  power level whatever. But for the most part, change just meant you never
• 1:03:00
  play the same deck twice. Oh see, you you read it that way.
• 1:03:02
  I read it more as adaptive going away. And so the idea that
• 1:03:06
  anyone can bring a deck didn't go away because adaptive was never a thing.
• 1:03:12
  Well, but adaptive was some crap format that they created and people did play,
• 1:03:19
  right, Um, and that's everybody can like adaptive and everybody can go
• 1:03:27
  like Alliance and go play that. Well now not not Alliance, But it
• 1:03:30
  doesn't mean that they're right. Um. Yeah. People get to enjoy the
• 1:03:35
  game in their way. That's fine. I mean I think some of the
• 1:03:38
  I think some of the big lies that I was told when key Forge was
• 1:03:42
  first being introduced and talked about is one deck like but this is where with
• 1:03:51
  the chains, some people still believe that I do believe that there are certain
• 1:03:54
  decks that really excel with adaptive and others that don't. And frankly, even
• 1:04:01
  if we look back at UM, what was it the key forge right when
• 1:04:08
  the pandemic started our shadow Worlds, the deck that actually ended up winning for
• 1:04:13
  adaptive was Martian Generosity because it basically had talked about it that you don't need
• 1:04:19
  to go ahead and have your chain bidding when there's an advantage for someone who
• 1:04:25
  knows the deck. But they were willing to go ahead and push UM increase
• 1:04:30
  in chains because it had very little impact with Martian Generosity and the ability to
• 1:04:33
  go ahead and get to your card. Now, whether that's true or not,
• 1:04:38
  that is a whole another component to be debated. But that philosophy when
• 1:04:41
  you were looking at it, people are trying to test, Oh, what
• 1:04:44
  can my deck hold it? Can it get to a chains? Can it
• 1:04:45
  get to eleven? They're like, I don't care, I'll take twenty four
• 1:04:48
  because I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and go with efficiency here, which is
• 1:04:51
  the way off. The question of the question is, yeah, it will
• 1:04:57
  it make the future more paid to win, And my answer this is the
• 1:05:00
  future of pick key for it will be no more pay to win than it
• 1:05:03
  was before. You're like accept that because it has always been. Just start
• 1:05:12
  saving your pennies because you're gonna need thirty six hundred dollars for a to your
• 1:05:16
  a deck, No, sheep, fantastic. If you knew you could open
• 1:05:23
  decks, it would be worth three thousand dollars. So do you think all
• 1:05:27
  right? So, yeah, sheep wins filling. Do you think prices get
• 1:05:33
  jacked up? I think prices already have like gone up since that's say happened.
• 1:05:39
  Yeah, I think that dammates try to purchase a deck and then been
• 1:05:43
  quoted numbers that were actually higher for a deck that we know was offered at
• 1:05:46
  a different rate before the cell. That's already happened. You're welcome, sheep.
• 1:05:55
  How do you feel about me bringing my random low deck? I was
• 1:05:59
  complet I need to ze about you're a random berserker deck. So again,
• 1:06:08
  I think that this is the statement of is key forge pay to win?
• 1:06:12
  Yes and no. I think we got to keep pushing what is being produced.
• 1:06:17
  I think the common slots are extremely important, but I think that woe
• 1:06:21
  was very viable, and I think there are phenomenal decks and frankly, Key
• 1:06:26
  Forge is still one of those games where it's a paper rock scissors. We've
• 1:06:29
  talked about this multiple times, but there is no one individual all the time.
• 1:06:34
  No stop stop the bus, No you're you're you're going too far.
• 1:06:40
  Yeah, okay, because it's not that different. There are different levels of
• 1:06:44
  this paper rock scissors game. Okay, you bring a knife to a gunfight,
• 1:06:47
  the gun's gonna win, right like, So we can't just say it's
• 1:06:51
  all rock paper scissors because there's the fist. There's just on Tuesday, my
• 1:06:59
  gun jammed and I. But the chances of you seeing that deck in a
• 1:07:05
  Vault Tour setting unless it is also top tier, we don't know. I
• 1:07:10
  don't know the LEA score, but unlet the chances of you seeing that deck
• 1:07:14
  in a top tier setting are what not great people show up with. Now,
• 1:07:23
  So what you're saying, yeah, so what what you're going ahead and
• 1:07:28
  saying is that we should just be looking at SaaS scores and Z scores in
• 1:07:31
  order to determine what decks we're going to be bringing and just but that's that's
• 1:07:38
  what we're going to decide in them. That is correct. Well again,
• 1:07:42
  play play your deck. Play your deck. Let me know your question.
• 1:07:45
  Are you going to bring that deck to a vault tour to the vault tour?
• 1:07:48
  No, I have a very very different because I have a different deck
• 1:07:51
  that I want to take. Okay, all right, let's move forward.
• 1:07:56
  What should the next plus she be after? Well, I guess after or
• 1:08:00
  the only a second plushy after fuzzy grun doctor she Yeah, I still I'm
• 1:08:10
  still thinking. I will actually be sad if Lord doesn't ever make it.
• 1:08:15
  I will not be sad if I never have to see another blurb ever again.
• 1:08:20
  All right, guys, if they have a blurb plushy at the Philly
• 1:08:24
  Vault, like, we're all buying it, right, these people can't even
• 1:08:29
  death like, but they just order that right like. That is true.
• 1:08:34
  They would not know that the blurb plushy printer hasn't come in yet from China.
• 1:08:42
  They've got to sew them together. So after after the ten dollars an
• 1:08:46
  hour packing crew is done with that, then they go over to the other
• 1:08:50
  corner and they sell blurbs as bloored as three eyes well one like, but
• 1:09:00
  knew it was a Bullarb so they did good. Yeah, two wigs,
• 1:09:03
  which is strangely wrong. I still want the little uh By patch guy for
• 1:09:10
  Fathom Reaver. It doesn't happen. Yeah, but I like one on the
• 1:09:15
  Yeah, I like him. I don't care about plushies. Yeah, I
• 1:09:20
  also don't. I mean, even if they made one, I probably wouldn't
• 1:09:24
  buy one. So I actually knew someone that did this. Next question,
• 1:09:29
  lookie, this is an interesting one. What's that one? Do you think
• 1:09:30
  elusive cards should be pulled back in the battle line similar to taunt cards by
• 1:09:36
  but opposite when their attacked for the first time? Bring them forward in a
• 1:09:42
  line with regular cards. I know elusive cards get missed a lot with a
• 1:09:45
  new with new players, and this might help. I don't think they're gonna
• 1:09:50
  change this, but I actually do like this. I did know a player
• 1:09:54
  that did this at the very beginning, um, and it did make sense,
• 1:09:58
  like they didn't move them back up after they lose it was broken,
• 1:10:00
  but they did have them like slightly down like taunt slightly up. At one
• 1:10:04
  point in the time, I remember somebody was handing out little tokens. Now
• 1:10:09
  Magic does this a lot with like creature type. I don't want to say
• 1:10:12
  creature types, but like keyword types that are of note and important, where
• 1:10:15
  they'll they'll put a piece of paper on it, you know, I'll fly,
• 1:10:18
  Well, this is flying, you know now it's they put the little
• 1:10:21
  like little paper on it. And at one point in time, somebody I
• 1:10:25
  don't know who is making them, but had little acrylic like Elusive and what's
• 1:10:30
  the other? There was Elusive and something else maybe it was Taunt. There
• 1:10:34
  was a player at my store that has a token for almost everything, and
• 1:10:36
  like I have I still have them somewhere. I don't know. I got
• 1:10:41
  one when we were an indie, but like I kind of liked that idea
• 1:10:44
  because like you could put the Elusive on and then once it's broken, take
• 1:10:46
  it back. But then then it begs the question are you going to remember
• 1:10:49
  to put it back? And then they go and attack it, like,
• 1:10:55
  well I thought it lost Elusive because they didn't have the token, and that's
• 1:10:58
  no good, right, I'm I think sorry, and in live play,
• 1:11:03
  and I know this is against everything, but just be realistic and forgiving.
• 1:11:10
  Like if they say I want to attack and you go, oh, it's
• 1:11:12
  Elusive, and they go, oh, I don't want to attack that then
• 1:11:15
  okay, Like I mean, maybe you don't let them change houses because their
• 1:11:19
  whole plan was to fight it down and they can't, well, then they
• 1:11:23
  maybe lose out. But like I mean, issue is like you're if you,
• 1:11:32
  like, as a judge, I've seen any game someone do what you're
• 1:11:38
  saying, like they let them take it back, and then later in the
• 1:11:41
  same game almost the exact same thing happened and the other person didn't let them
• 1:11:46
  take it back. Oh yeah, like that's going to happen, and you
• 1:11:50
  have to decide if you want to be that kind of person. Like I've
• 1:11:55
  always said. You know, it's like I don't joke when I say cheating
• 1:11:59
  is trying or like if you need to cheat to win, you need this
• 1:12:01
  win more than me. Like, if that's how you have to get your
• 1:12:04
  wins, like, then you need them more than I do, right,
• 1:12:09
  so go ahead and take them because like this clearly means more to you in
• 1:12:13
  your life than it does to me. That's that's where my mentality sits on
• 1:12:19
  that if you need to play like that to win games that I don't know
• 1:12:26
  if I really want to play with you, well, I mean at a
• 1:12:30
  vultur, you really don't have a choice well back in the day. That's
• 1:12:34
  one of the things that I actually did appreciate about the significantly and change in
• 1:12:39
  the floor rules at one point, where like we were all forced to play
• 1:12:42
  that way. It takes the decision making out of the players. So there's
• 1:12:46
  no like, oh, I'm an a hole for this, where I'm not
• 1:12:48
  an a hele for this. These are just the rules. The judge just
• 1:12:51
  said it before we started the event, um, But we don't know how
• 1:12:58
  that's going to be in the future. We have not there was not a
• 1:13:00
  talk like that before we started a KFCUM. I have not seen any floor
• 1:13:04
  rules other than the tournament guidelines, So who knows how it's going to be.
• 1:13:10
  If it goes back to the way it was before the floor rules came
• 1:13:13
  out, you're gonna have the snare happened that I just explained, And it's
• 1:13:17
  a real bad like feel bad as loss. If you gave that benefit to
• 1:13:21
  someone and then they immediately that game don't give it to you and you lose
• 1:13:25
  because of it. It happens. Unt a good idea. I don't think
• 1:13:32
  it's a bad idea. What the car bringing them back in the battle line
• 1:13:38
  to signify elusive. Oh, I think it's actually a good idea because,
• 1:13:42
  like I said, there was a player early on that did this. I
• 1:13:44
  thought it was really smart. I never did it because like at the time,
• 1:13:46
  I was like pretty soon I actually went to vaults and like I had
• 1:13:50
  the rule thing explained. How many people do you guys play against that don't
• 1:13:55
  even do the slide the talk forward thing? Like I see it all the
• 1:13:59
  time. Every time I would tell them, yeah, I make them do
• 1:14:03
  it. Yeah, Like this needs to be raised. I mean, I
• 1:14:09
  think having two different indicators based on the depth of the card can like at
• 1:14:13
  a glance, get confusing when there's no frame of reference, so I could
• 1:14:15
  be like, oh, are all these guys haunting or those guys there?
• 1:14:18
  It can get weird. Elusive there's no next to elusive. It would be
• 1:14:28
  easy to tell. But it's why you can't track states of armor and states
• 1:14:32
  of and you can't track state of elusive because like you have to reset it
• 1:14:39
  and if you forget, it's significantly problematic to game state later on. So
• 1:14:45
  like adding more tracking is not good, right, just sliding back and it
• 1:14:50
  never changes from that position. Like there's an elusive line that that is something,
• 1:14:55
  but identification of where that zone is is stuff. But all the stuff
• 1:14:59
  does. It's very well and digital, Like they could definitely put a gray
• 1:15:03
  halo around elusive things at a sound effect. You could actually have like the
• 1:15:10
  person step forward if they're taunting. Right. So I remember back in the
• 1:15:15
  beginning of the game, I was wondering why they had you put taunt forward
• 1:15:20
  instead of pulling the protected creatures back. That always made more sense to me.
• 1:15:28
  That's the same thing. Well, I mean it's like whenever you can't
• 1:15:33
  attack is yeah, m hmm, that is actually what I did at the
• 1:15:39
  beginning, Like that's how I played him first. That I kind of put
• 1:15:44
  my boards together. Is like the stuff forward you can fight in the stuff
• 1:15:46
  back you can't, which yes, isn't correct in the rules, but is
• 1:15:49
  clear game state. M who are you kidding? You just discard all your
• 1:15:54
  creatures now we know how you play. I mean I have done that quite
• 1:15:59
  a lot more. Yep, all right, this is a question. I
• 1:16:03
  um, this is a question that I actually wanted to do almost a full
• 1:16:09
  episode on. Yeah, we were going to do this at some other time,
• 1:16:11
  not like that one. The next one actually too. I wanted to
• 1:16:14
  do a full question on um do you think changes in the Master Vault would
• 1:16:20
  result in many only Friends subscription models? Oh, the I want to rint
• 1:16:26
  your decks? Yeah, I mean we were joking about that, right we
• 1:16:30
  were. But I mean the problem is it we were joking could be a
• 1:16:38
  real thing. I think it will end up being a real thing. I
• 1:16:42
  think I am not going to do this, but I do think we will
• 1:16:45
  see this happen as soon as cloning is available, you don't and as soon
• 1:16:50
  as clothing it actually a newdest event at Philly. I don't know if you
• 1:16:57
  know, but whip around in your Superman underwear. M yeah, this is
• 1:17:03
  a well, I'm Batman. Sucks to be Uh. This is a thing
• 1:17:11
  that I actually when I saw the question, I was like, it's I
• 1:17:14
  think this is the reason like the first deck will be restricted or banned or
• 1:17:18
  something not, because there are like great decks in the world. I think
• 1:17:24
  this is ultimately going to lead to them having to eliminate certain decks from the
• 1:17:30
  pool at a sooner clip than they would have naturally, because you'll just start
• 1:17:35
  to see the same x amount of decks every event everywhere in the world,
• 1:17:42
  assuming there's you know, events outside of this country because I imagine, you
• 1:17:46
  know, especially with you know, oh I can't go to this event or
• 1:17:51
  whatever, but just you, I mean you're going to see a lot for
• 1:17:55
  people who are not able to make events or whatever the case may be.
• 1:18:00
  But like like next weekend, just like like if I live in California,
• 1:18:05
  like making it's a Philly is a beast. Like the actual flight there,
• 1:18:10
  the time changes. You're pretty much forced to stay till Monday to fly back
• 1:18:15
  at a time that's not you know, stupid or whatever, um well or
• 1:18:20
  some storts the other way. You basically you're forced to fly out Thursday or
• 1:18:23
  something. So like less people from the West Coast will be at Philly than
• 1:18:29
  you know, any other region, and to some extent the Mountain time too.
• 1:18:33
  But like all of there are several people that play this game out a
• 1:18:36
  lot that live there, and they could easily rent out the deck to people
• 1:18:41
  that live in the East Coast like this, and that's just talking about literally
• 1:18:45
  inside the same country. I don't know if it's going to be a renting
• 1:18:49
  problem as much as it has always been in this game, where like I
• 1:18:54
  can't go, but I know somebody who's going, and it's like I'd rather
• 1:18:57
  see you have a chance with my good deck then you have to go and
• 1:19:00
  play you're not good deck. So well, especially if people take it for
• 1:19:06
  free, Like I think you'll just see a lot of people being like,
• 1:19:10
  oh, now that there's like no risk to me letting you use my deck
• 1:19:14
  in an event, go ahead, you can't get lost and destroy their use
• 1:19:16
  in the clone. Yeah, So like the fact that it becomes very low
• 1:19:21
  risk to do it, I don't, I don't. I mean, I'm
• 1:19:24
  sure there'll be some renting kind of stuff going on, but there'll be a
• 1:19:28
  lot of just because we have such a strong online community here through discords,
• 1:19:33
  there will be a lot of just like yeah, go ahead and play my
• 1:19:36
  deck. And those two factors combined are going to create some other stuff.
• 1:19:41
  So yeah, I think this is definitely gonna happen. My other question is,
• 1:19:45
  once clones are available to be out there in the world, does this
• 1:19:54
  affect the secondary market to how how does it? How does it impact the
• 1:19:59
  secondary It doesn't affect it a lot or a little. I think it's going
• 1:20:02
  to have to impact it because like it's going to increase the value of really
• 1:20:08
  good decks. Does it if everybody has one well hold on to carry that
• 1:20:13
  through though, Like let's say you have fraud and you then have cloned it
• 1:20:18
  out to three people for whatever reason they have it. They're friends with you
• 1:20:23
  on there Isn't it then hard harder for you to sell that deck? Well,
• 1:20:29
  no, because as soon as I, as soon as it's ownership changes,
• 1:20:31
  they lose friendship and they can no longer use it. What you say,
• 1:20:39
  because that's very much what they say. That's very clear because if you're
• 1:20:42
  not friends with the owner of their deck, you can know that's what will
• 1:20:45
  happen. But in your scenario you're talking about your just friends are using it.
• 1:20:48
  If I'm one of these people that's subplotting my deck, though, like
• 1:20:51
  that starts to get really really complicated. Investment in instrument that's got a dividend
• 1:20:58
  on it, huh no, yeah, exactly like a true true top end
• 1:21:05
  DAK if DAK renting is a real thing, makes them work more. What's
• 1:21:11
  your number on fraud? Seven? Just seven? Okay, wait what I
• 1:21:20
  think? What kind of number I was giving you? K you? So
• 1:21:24
  that's like how you identify a security on the exchanges? Whatever? Never mind,
• 1:21:30
  Oh, p p F seven Joss was familiar with writing off your deck
• 1:21:36
  bridge set on an LLC. There you go. Yeah, right, Like,
• 1:21:42
  if you're renting your dack, you could seriously probably set up an LLC
• 1:21:46
  for it. Yeah, you probably should when you get sued by the people
• 1:21:51
  who are like you friended me and I've been paying all this money. Right,
• 1:21:55
  So yeah, because he was not wrong when he was talking about it.
• 1:21:59
  Yeah, like that that creates a lot of issues that never existed before.
• 1:22:03
  But we'll see what happens, because it's going to happen. There is
• 1:22:06
  certainly renting power nine for magic tournaments. It's got to exist. M Who
• 1:22:15
  does it? Yeah, I don't. I don't know about that. Maybe
• 1:22:20
  a certainly exists. Well, you gotta remember the Power nine is not a
• 1:22:27
  very like played thing. You're talking about legacy, We hold yours, Calm
• 1:22:32
  down, Legacy is not a very played format. All right, we're doing
• 1:22:38
  this one last question and then we'll probably go through more at another time.
• 1:22:44
  What can gig and or the players do to get new players to join the
• 1:22:48
  community. According to Sheep, nothing, no, no, no, so
• 1:22:58
  what My answer, my true answer to this is we are not marketing people.
• 1:23:03
  It is not our jobs to figure this out. And they do need
• 1:23:09
  to figure this out, right, But if it was that easy to come
• 1:23:13
  up with the answers, this wouldn't be a question. Because we've asked then
• 1:23:16
  asked this question many times. I mean we've we've said before, right,
• 1:23:21
  or folks who you know played Flesh and Blood have said, hey, cool
• 1:23:25
  prizes for going out and going to your locals can't just be cool prizes.
• 1:23:30
  It has to be meaningful prizes, right, Like, well, that's kind
• 1:23:35
  of one and the same thing. Well, okay, well, I think
• 1:23:40
  many people I think the disc tokens are cool, but I'm not going to
• 1:23:44
  go out of my way to go drive hours to an event to get one.
• 1:23:47
  That means they're just not cool enough actually cool. Well, but I
• 1:23:51
  think again we're meaningful. Yeah, right, Like when they're pieces of cardboard,
• 1:23:58
  I guess you're right, that's just not cool. Like they're cool,
• 1:24:00
  but they're not that cool. There are other games that have succeeded and do
• 1:24:05
  just fine, and their prizes are not that meaningful, like like the prizes
• 1:24:11
  and Magic are not that meaningful for Friday Night Magic. Like the prizes that
• 1:24:16
  matter for that are the fact that they always do store credit and give away
• 1:24:19
  decks or tacks right, it is not the foil. Whatever you get that's
• 1:24:25
  worth three bucks. Well, and it's been a round. The longevity from
• 1:24:28
  magic just continues to bring whatever I'm saying, Like, prizes alone will not
• 1:24:33
  land you a thing. Free tacks JM will not bring you in tons of
• 1:24:42
  players. The more free stuff you give away from the game, the more
• 1:24:45
  you devalue it, Like you can't just flood the market with free junk.
• 1:24:50
  It does not work. So my well, that is true the seven s,
• 1:24:58
  but people do love it now. My response has actually changed for this
• 1:25:02
  right now. I think what gg ken and needs to be doing is very
• 1:25:08
  simple, and that's communication. They started off very very hot once the transition
• 1:25:13
  was announced. I think that things have really cooled off. But they need
• 1:25:16
  to communicate with the player base. They need to communicate with the stores right
• 1:25:20
  now, and they need to get product in all of the stores yesterday before
• 1:25:27
  go ahead. I mean this is directed towards like what can gig do right,
• 1:25:30
  Like shouldn't they just market this is the last time marketed this damn game.
• 1:25:38
  They haven't, which is why this is why that there needs to be
• 1:25:42
  communication with the stores and they need to market yes for new players to join
• 1:25:47
  our community. The person across the table is why come out. I enjoy
• 1:25:54
  playing with people in our local scene. I enjoy Wookie when you were there,
• 1:25:58
  Sheep. I love that you have consistently been there. I appreciate that
• 1:26:01
  Jason missed perfect is out. I appreciate that Sydneys did you just say very
• 1:26:06
  clearly that like everybody else, you like being there, and you're just like
• 1:26:11
  you like that I come, But there was nothing about actually liking Sydney.
• 1:26:17
  I absolutely that she drives the forty five minutes, but it's it's the little
• 1:26:23
  conversations as soon as we get back in the car that Sheep's like, yeah,
• 1:26:27
  you're gonna call me in two minutes anyway. But it's that relationship where
• 1:26:30
  you've created a friendship, and that's what we need to do. But that's
• 1:26:34
  the extent of where we are as a community. You people will come out
• 1:26:40
  if you have a friendship. Frankly, I'm spending a lot more money than
• 1:26:45
  I probably should to go to vall tours, but it's because of our amazing
• 1:26:47
  community. So continue that build it up. Enjoy the small little moments there
• 1:26:54
  that can be the draft coor experience it can be going grabbing food beforehand,
• 1:26:59
  It can be seen friends that you haven't seen in a while. To be
• 1:27:01
  able to do that with a game that we love makes it that much more.
• 1:27:04
  But the game will come if Gig is frankly doing what the company needs
• 1:27:10
  to do to publicize it to be able to go ahead and and push that
• 1:27:15
  information to the stores and make sure that people are aware, Hey, the
• 1:27:18
  game is not dead, because it's clearly not. Didn't you have someone the
• 1:27:24
  other day just be like, oh I thought that game was dead. Yeah,
• 1:27:28
  and store employee on Tuesday, and that's where I started, Like I
• 1:27:35
  was talking to him because all of a sudden, we've been trying to buy
• 1:27:39
  a deck, you know, we come out on Tuesdays, but all of
• 1:27:43
  a sudden, the product just magically left. There was a few decks from
• 1:27:47
  away, there was some World's Collide, there was some DT and all of
• 1:27:56
  a sudden it just disappeared. And so I had a conversation with them.
• 1:27:59
  I've seen a couple different store employees that were there, and that's exactly what
• 1:28:02
  the comment was is, Oh, you're you're here. Yeah, you're here
• 1:28:08
  like every other every once in a while, every couple of weeks. No,
• 1:28:12
  no, no, we're here every week. We've been here every week
• 1:28:15
  or a few weeks that we have missed. Yeah, So for that store
• 1:28:21
  employee, honestly, when you were you weren't even gone because on vacation you
• 1:28:27
  came back and we're still here. We left when we thought we were going
• 1:28:30
  to be here in January, playing with woe. That is the only reason
• 1:28:33
  that we took a little bit of a hiatus because there was nothing until May.
• 1:28:39
  I mean, let's be very honest, and we lost one of our
• 1:28:42
  locals as a result of it. But others, althers have come out.
• 1:28:46
  I enjoy little comments. You know, there's there's there's no insight fun things.
• 1:28:55
  How do they get that information out in a meaning way? Right?
• 1:29:00
  Like, That's that's where they're suffering. Like articles on keyforging dot com are
• 1:29:08
  useless for finding players us creating this podcast does not bring in many new players
• 1:29:15
  right there. There is not a podcast that is KeyForge centric that brings in
• 1:29:21
  new key Forge players, right Like, you're already a key Forge player if
• 1:29:27
  you're listening to a key Forge podcast. So they're they're well, that's where
• 1:29:31
  like normal business marketing should be a thing like I first heard about this through
• 1:29:35
  Amazon because there is marketing things at a video from Garfield himself, like,
• 1:29:40
  there's all kinds of like marketing things. We haven't seen advertising for this thing
• 1:29:46
  anywhere, Like they're not everythingsing on BGG, they're not banner, Like there
• 1:29:55
  needs to be products before they could do that. So so it's possible is
• 1:30:00
  supposed to be a pre release event in approximately one month from now, Yeah,
• 1:30:06
  they should be advertising that KeyForge is back, you come and play,
• 1:30:13
  And maybe maybe they're going to do that, and maybe it's just a few
• 1:30:15
  weeks before the events are going to happen, because if you see a thing
• 1:30:18
  for a month out, it may not be something. But like, there
• 1:30:25
  are places that they need to be advertising. There are plenty of more general
• 1:30:32
  gaming podcasts and card gaming podcasts that will take their money and at least say,
• 1:30:39
  hey, this key Forge thing is back again. Yeah, Like I
• 1:30:43
  don't know how many people are just straight yeah, I will take your money
• 1:30:45
  and say it's the greatest game, even if I don't think it is.
• 1:30:49
  But there are definitely plenty of places they'll take your money and be like,
• 1:30:51
  hey, we took their money, this is a thing. Check it out.
• 1:30:55
  Well, Wookie, haven't you weren't you in talking with Professor who a
• 1:31:00
  much bigger influence on like the magic community, so that you have to have
• 1:31:04
  some strategy of who you're communicating to and who's wow. I mean, I'm
• 1:31:09
  not gonna lie to I was trying to him to get you know, because
• 1:31:11
  he's got his new shuffle up and play and he did a Yugio episode and
• 1:31:15
  that was like a big thing, and I saw a lot of the Key
• 1:31:17
  Forge could be like time to do a Key Forage episode. I mean,
• 1:31:21
  let's be honest, like that is not financially responsible for the Professor, Like
• 1:31:27
  like this man lives and dies off of what he produces on YouTube. Um,
• 1:31:32
  I don't know how many people are gonna watch it episode, Like I
• 1:31:36
  mean, we get you know, And that's that's why Gig has to sweet
• 1:31:44
  a little bit. Yeah right, I think it worthy for him to do,
• 1:31:46
  right, And I will say that's marketing dollars, right, Like,
• 1:31:49
  I mean, dollars need to be spent defined players. The crazy thing is
• 1:31:54
  when we were doing a live I was like, what kind of dollars do
• 1:31:56
  we got to because he was seriously considering coming to Milwaukee to play Key Forge,
• 1:32:02
  like you know, and I was like, what what kind of money
• 1:32:04
  can we throw him, you know, like to make an appearance, because
• 1:32:08
  I thought it would be huge for the game to get him in playing some
• 1:32:12
  key forage. And everyone's like, oh, the Professor, you know,
• 1:32:14
  I mean, look what he did for Flesh and Blood. Now he doesn't
• 1:32:15
  do that for flesh and Blood and no more after all the craziness and all
• 1:32:20
  the controversy that's spilled over there. But you know, he's he does other
• 1:32:26
  things, and I don't know, it's one of those things where, yeah,
• 1:32:30
  I think maybe it's it's it's time for gig to spend a little money.
• 1:32:34
  I'm getting some of the higher end names on YouTube doing some stuff for
• 1:32:39
  that. They did do interviews with that one other show, Team Covenant,
• 1:32:43
  which Team Covenant does a I mean, they're they're big, but again,
• 1:32:48
  they're so all over the place, you know what I mean. Well,
• 1:32:53
  but but that's where they do need to do it on those kinds of shows
• 1:32:57
  and just maybe you know, like you gottafuriated, somebody's watching right now.
• 1:33:06
  So I don't even marketing spending their marketing dollars to find new players welcome to
• 1:33:12
  thenant none of us are marketing guys, so we don't have great answers for
• 1:33:15
  you. Well, I think here's and here's the deal Team Covenant I mean,
• 1:33:19
  and I know this sounds nuts considering where a show that gets like twenty
• 1:33:24
  five hundred listeners a week um, Team Covenants is only fifty seven point two
• 1:33:30
  case subscribers, so that's not a ton I mean, and their average UM
• 1:33:39
  view count is right around the same notch as our listenership. So Team Covenant
• 1:33:45
  maybe not. I mean, again, good idea, but maybe not the
• 1:33:48
  best because they're more of a business and the dealings of getting product out there
• 1:33:54
  as opposed the Professor's more of a talking head, does need both. They
• 1:34:00
  like Team Covenant that used to sell keyboards, Like I think that was actually
• 1:34:03
  a fine idea. The problem is they needed to do all of the things.
• 1:34:08
  They're relaunching a game, and like as far as the what we've seen
• 1:34:11
  is for as their marketing imprint, it's just been to the all of the
• 1:34:14
  people that already knew about the game. So like that, I mean,
• 1:34:17
  we're talking about CTP though, like that's been his m oh no, FG
• 1:34:24
  used to advertise like crazy, right, I would get I would get FG
• 1:34:30
  advertisements in my Reddit feed line and my Facebook feed line all the time.
• 1:34:38
  Absolutely like they advertise and then yeah, then they would push the Team Covenant.
• 1:34:47
  I would get the Team Covenant emails like new sets coming out, get
• 1:34:51
  your pre order to blah blah blah blah blah. And I would see that
• 1:34:54
  on BGG all over the place. So I shared, Uh, I've shared
• 1:34:59
  around a pdf, a bit of the key Forge pdf of what's available to
• 1:35:08
  game stores, right, Yeah, well we had that asked for that,
• 1:35:14
  right, Like it was not sent to the store. It was not like
• 1:35:17
  hey, key Forge's back check it out. It was like I had to
• 1:35:21
  have my store contact their rep directly and say, like, what's going on
• 1:35:28
  with key Forge. That's that's what we're dealing with, right, Like the
• 1:35:33
  stores don't know what's a thing, Like only those of us who care about
• 1:35:38
  key Forge, no, and it has to get put in front of people
• 1:35:42
  that are not already invested. Yeah, so JML listed. They definitely advertise
• 1:35:47
  the game pound campaign, which I do believe they did, like that I
• 1:35:50
  saw, but I haven't seen present release. I haven't seen consistent follow up.
• 1:35:59
  I know there's multiple different areas. That's he's packing decks, he's getting
• 1:36:03
  Vault tours, right, he's sewing up. He's I understand, but here
• 1:36:12
  was here was the comment that really hurts the store manager who has talking with
• 1:36:15
  left with well from a niche group, that piece hurts because that's what we're
• 1:36:25
  seeing. But that's what we're seeing. Why why we will think this has
• 1:36:30
  to be mainstream? Like you would even call the One Piece group niche group.
• 1:36:33
  There's twelve people who consistently play that thing. But that's it, man,
• 1:36:38
  It's like twelve twelve guys. They all work at Amazon and they all
• 1:36:41
  come and play One Piece together. I don't have an issue with that,
• 1:36:44
  but I'm telling you, like it has decreased and there needs to be there
• 1:36:49
  needs to be some larger nets tossing for our marketing, for having products for
• 1:36:56
  people to play. I mean, it's it's a multiple front effort when you
• 1:36:59
  want to re release a game. In my total lying to myself thing,
• 1:37:02
  I'm going to believe that they know more about marketing or somebody knows about marketing,
• 1:37:06
  like that's kind of what Germany's thing is. And there is not product
• 1:37:11
  on the floor. The first Vault tour is happening, but like the regular
• 1:37:16
  stuff you can go play is not happening yet, So what are they advertising
• 1:37:25
  your local store and you can buy stuff in a few weeks and maybe play
• 1:37:30
  with the guys who are hanging out in the store. Because we've got no
• 1:37:31
  organized events and we got no products, so there is not anything to advertise
• 1:37:36
  today. So do you think and I know this is not on the questions,
• 1:37:40
  but do you think that it would have been a better company decision to
• 1:37:45
  produce Woe and have a much more formalized process for getting it to backers on
• 1:37:51
  Game found and then have product ready to go to stores and have an actual
• 1:37:58
  plan in place for op I think we are on it and releasing it just
• 1:38:02
  on first come, first server or who is closest? I I don't know.
• 1:38:06
  I think we're so heavily invested in the game that we have zero patients.
• 1:38:12
  We're ready to play yesterday, right and new players or returning players or
• 1:38:18
  people who the people who are not us, who are not super invested,
• 1:38:23
  like it really doesn't matter to them if this is quiet for another month or
• 1:38:27
  two. They don't know about it right now, so it doesn't matter if
• 1:38:30
  they don't know about it for another month until there really is a deliverable and
• 1:38:34
  there is not a deliverable to non game found and silly. But the problem
• 1:38:40
  is that you keep talking about like you need to get product in the start.
• 1:38:43
  The people in the start don't even know products coming, like they don't
• 1:38:47
  that that that it is just these products so far that's really orderable. Isn't
• 1:38:54
  that kind of important? Like it's a pre release, But like you,
• 1:38:58
  we talked to the to the manage and he's like, oh, yeah,
• 1:39:02
  well, I'm saying hopefully they've got something planned here for the new future,
• 1:39:06
  and we see a bunch of stuff, right, we don't. We don't
• 1:39:10
  know what the plans are. We know we have seen nothing yet. We
• 1:39:13
  are concerned that it's going to be like it has been in there is not
• 1:39:16
  going to be much. But maybe it's I'm sure it's going to be in
• 1:39:20
  the article that we're gonna get my next Thursday. That's also announcing the rest
• 1:39:24
  of the vaults. Well, because Jeremy has to work stupid hours, it's
• 1:39:27
  gonna come at twelve or two in the morning. Again. Whatever this last
• 1:39:31
  one hit, I don't know what that was, just some time to release
• 1:39:39
  more unlikely. All right, let's go through one more and then we're gonna
• 1:39:41
  call it a night, because this one got bolded, real real big.
• 1:39:45
  If Ewak were to pick a key Warrior of the month, somebody who is
• 1:39:49
  a positive influence on the online key Forge community, who would it be and
• 1:39:56
  why? Well, as a good little boy scout, I didn't just pick
• 1:40:01
  one because I've had multiple set up and I do think that there are a
• 1:40:05
  lot of people. First one, I'm going to catch some flak four,
• 1:40:10
  but frankly, I put Gigi as the first one, and that is straight
• 1:40:13
  up for saving the game show. There you go. But I'm gonna tell
• 1:40:23
  you that without Gig, Frankly, the algorithms lost. The great game that
• 1:40:29
  we love isn't having this Vault tour that's happening in under two weeks. And
• 1:40:34
  so that that for me, with all the frustration and it is very,
• 1:40:40
  very very frustrating, I'm still grateful for that. So that is the first
• 1:40:45
  Key Warrior number two. Southerly, I know you're here with us, man,
• 1:40:49
  but solely Alf You've put in a tremendous amount of time and I'm super
• 1:40:54
  excited to see are Zeta testing finish up because the product that you've put out
• 1:41:00
  and then you've worked with in Z your scoring system as a whole. It's
• 1:41:03
  another phenomenal asset for the key Forge community. The third group that I had,
• 1:41:11
  frankly is people who've put up their own money. This is a shout
• 1:41:15
  out to Joker for Vault Warrior, Jupiter for starting KFPL the key FORGS Premier
• 1:41:20
  League. I don't know how we as key Forge players survived the pandemic without
• 1:41:30
  TCO, frankly, without Fault Warrior, without online events. I just don't
• 1:41:36
  think it happens. And so that is my third group. I frankly had
• 1:41:43
  our own supporters, so local car hire graph for Tuesdays Sheep. I know
• 1:41:49
  you're with me now, but you guys ran events and events, and you
• 1:41:55
  were so consistent. You were there every single time you said you'd be there,
• 1:42:00
  and if not, you're on vacation. You find someone else to be
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  able to sub in for you. And I don't think. I think too
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  often that just goes unnoticed or it's underappreciated. But that is the community that
• 1:42:14
  I look forward to, being able to chat. I can't make an event.
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  I show up a little bit late. I just got the kids down.
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  You know, that's dad life, but I'll still hop in and talk
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  to people and I enjoy every comment that's there. And frankly, we have
• 1:42:29
  more content creators who are coming, but that content creation list is phenomenal.
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  Seeing people at KFC, I'm just I'm very, very humbled to be a
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  part of this group. We have a phenomenal key Forge community, and so
• 1:42:47
  I know that I plugged it into five different categories, but I don't think
• 1:42:51
  key Forge exists if even one of those isn't here. Suddenly I know that
• 1:42:59
  your new piece is huge edition, and so I'm really excited for you to
• 1:43:02
  be able to share it and really take pride. And I didn't have a
• 1:43:04
  lot of voice there today, but behind the scenes, man, you're rocking
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  it. So awesome job everyone. Yeah, a bit over two months of
• 1:43:16
  work should come to fruition very soon. And one thing I want to say
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  before we wrap it up here, there's a lot of new key Forage content
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  creators out there. If you're on social media, share their stuff, give
• 1:43:31
  it a like, subscribe to them, do all the things that is important
• 1:43:38
  for Google to get it into the algorithm. I feel that one of the
• 1:43:44
  most important reasons that some of the games are in the position they are right
• 1:43:48
  now is due to their content creators, and that's legit. Like, if
• 1:43:54
  you look at the games that are on top, they are the ones that
• 1:43:58
  have the most consistent, best content creator core. So it is important to
• 1:44:04
  even if you don't watch the whole video, give it a like, give
• 1:44:09
  it a share, shared on your Facebook, shared on your Twitter, share
• 1:44:12
  it on your TikTok, whatever the case may be. Because the more it's
• 1:44:16
  out there and the more it's able to be found, the more people are
• 1:44:20
  going to be willing to try it. But it's not going to get out
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  there, it's not going to get found, and it's going to be it's
• 1:44:28
  gonna be. I don't remember what sheep used this week, but you know,
• 1:44:30
  posting our events in the Facebook group to a bunch of people that are
• 1:44:34
  already in the Facebook group does nothing right. Sharing it to other key Forge
• 1:44:41
  players and sharing and discords doesn't do a ton. It needs to get out
• 1:44:45
  to the people who haven't played in a while who are coming back, or
• 1:44:49
  the people who have never played it and want to try it. That's honestly
• 1:44:54
  the most thing. So go check out your hffs, go check out I'm
• 1:44:59
  trying to think of all the people, like off the top of my head,
• 1:45:02
  um, and I'm seeing a blank. But see, Wookie, This
• 1:45:06
  is why I didn't even go ahead and start to list, because there are
• 1:45:11
  so many. There's a lot, I mean a lot. You have bottom
• 1:45:16
  of the beaker. You are, Yes, Murph is doing some stuff.
• 1:45:26
  Um, I'm gonna butcher his name Lenusu. I've checked him out on the
• 1:45:32
  number of a kids from Yeah, it's line is from the right. I
• 1:45:38
  didn't I didn't know what he wanted to be called data Forge. Um,
• 1:45:44
  yeah, you know, share it, get it out there, because again,
• 1:45:47
  the more Google can reach on to it, al's an algorithm, the
• 1:45:51
  more key Forge is going to show up, and that gets it into those
• 1:45:55
  that same kind of Um you know, Echelon is your Magics, your Hugos,
• 1:46:00
  your Pokemons, and all these other games that are being played right now.
• 1:46:05
  It's so captain's compot. I mean you have us were not there anymore.
• 1:46:11
  You have Weekend key Warriors. Again, the list keeps increasing. Correct
• 1:46:17
  wordcaster forage that's new, uh kPr is new? What is I'm trying to
• 1:46:25
  think of what did you say with worcaster? That's Tobin's right. The wordcaster
• 1:46:30
  Foraged. Yeah, that's a read. But again, there's so many great
• 1:46:33
  individuals out there, and I apologize if I missed anyone, because I'm sure
• 1:46:38
  I did, but you did. But again, there's there's been since Key
• 1:46:43
  Forage came back. There's been a bunch, right, But the most important
• 1:46:46
  thing is just getting it into the elgorythm so that people who don't know about
• 1:46:51
  it are able to stumble upon it. That's that's the biggest thing. That's
• 1:46:57
  where I'm gonna leave it for today. What do you guys got for final
• 1:46:59
  thoughts? Sheep? Final thoughts? Dinobot two man, dinabot andy forget like
• 1:47:05
  yes, see again my point still rings true, but sheep, what do
• 1:47:13
  you got for final thoughts? Today? Keep playing drazz Car? Uh Yeah,
• 1:47:21
  you can't make it to Philly, I believe TTR. There's another group
• 1:47:26
  or it's gonna stream it right yep, yep, So check out the stream.
• 1:47:30
  If you can't be there. If you are going to be there,
• 1:47:32
  say hi to us and everyone accept drazz Car, say hi everybody except drazz
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  Car. He'll be there and he'll be in the second number. Yep,
• 1:47:43
  yep. I'm I'm gonna go. Can I just bring a seal old deck.
• 1:47:50
  Is that is that okay? Because I play seal. That's why I'm
• 1:47:53
  gonna tell them totally allowed. Yep. So who do we got in that?
• 1:48:00
  Uh? You walk shout out to Catser and Captain's keypot like Captain's coompod.
• 1:48:06
  There's so many good content producers out here. I am excited to be
• 1:48:11
  able to see some of you over at Philly. So if you see me,
• 1:48:15
  come say hi. I always enjoy being able to meet people, even
• 1:48:18
  if it is that that little break is ye when you know you're trying to
• 1:48:21
  go and get bathroom or over some water and come see me. It is
• 1:48:27
  great to have our community with us. Southerly. One final question for the
• 1:48:33
  AMA, why did the chicken go to the seance? Because to get to
• 1:48:42
  the other side got it all right. And I look forward to seeing lots
• 1:48:51
  of folks that I haven't seen in a while at Philly next weekend. So
• 1:48:56
  I'm looking forward to that. I have been playing Lots of Woe and it
• 1:48:59
  is amazing set to play. It is not just fun, it is really
• 1:49:02
  really good. Um, So get on TCO and play some O. You
• 1:49:06
  don't actually have to own a will deck to play on there, pulling up
• 1:49:11
  on the Okay or a master Ball or whatever and plug it in there and
• 1:49:15
  heck if you have path uh Patreon and look up the z score first,
• 1:49:18
  finding good number that you like and see how it goes. Because this is
• 1:49:21
  very fun to play the set. That's fine advice. That's gonna do it
• 1:49:29
  for us this week. Join us next week, where we don't know what
• 1:49:32
  we'll be doing or if we'll be doing anything, we'll be here Thursday.
• 1:49:36
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  time the bank water. You put the big banks way to bank God,
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