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Episode 13: Patty Kaz contenders, the future of centralization and reaching the finish line · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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Hi again, and welcome to the podcast from us cho dot Com. I'm
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Todd Moleski here with Nicole Hasey, and we're entering the final week of the
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regular season for some teams. Well, I guess most teams in women's college
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hockey, three of the five conferences, play their final games of the regular
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season this weekend to have another week after that. But Nicole, looking back
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at last weekend, that was a pretty eventful week when for some of the
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top players in the country in terms of who we might be looking at,
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and for making a run out of Patty Casmier Award nomination and then eventually getting
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the vote for it. Some of the names of people who had big performances.
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Nicole Gosling for Clarkson two overtime winners back to back days. They beat
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Princeton, they beat Winnipeac in consecutive days. Abby Hustler hat trick for Saint
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Lawrence won it in overtime with her third goal of the game against Quinnepiac on
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Friday. Then she scored another goal, her fourth of the weekend on Saturday.
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Abby Murphy scored in overtime for Minnesota to beat Saint Cloud State on Friday
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and then scored another goal on Saturday. We saw everyone from Wisconsin score a
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goal, I think last weekend scoring seventeen against But Midgee State, Tell me
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what you're thinking about when you're seeing those names come up when we get down
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to this time of the season. Yeah, you know, I think it's
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hard, and I think some of the feeling across Wisconsin is first of all,
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that they've had some really high scoring games, right, and so how
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much do you put an asterisk on any of that. Secondarily, there's so
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many of them. There's so many Badgers in the top you know ten of
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scoring. You got Lacy Eating at ten, Britack Curl at eight, Casey
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O'Brien is second in Kirsten Sims is number one in scoring right now, person
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Sims the only, i think the only player in the country averaging two points
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per game. So I think any time that you've got multiple players again,
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you know, kind of in the conversation from the same team, that's always
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I think takes away from one or the others. So there's that, you
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know, I think that was Abby Hustler has just been absolutely huge kind of
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in the second half. It's not that she wasn't producing in the first half,
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but she's just producing at a faster clip. So you know, she
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had eleven goals, fifteen cents for twenty six points over the thirteen games since
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the winter break, you know, she had, So that's twenty six of
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her forty nine points. So that means, you know, twenty three of
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them in nineteen games before the break. So just you know, seven goals,
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three assists over the last three weeks against all the other ranked ECAC opponents.
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I mean, I think recency is always going to play into the conversation.
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It's going to be kind of who's at the front of your mind.
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But I also think that playing your best at the best at the biggest,
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most important part of the season is something that stands out. And I think,
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you know, like for someone with like Abby Murphy, it's a really
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interesting conversation because you know, I would contend that there is nobody more important
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to her team than Abby Murphy. Uh when I you know, I said
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that on our fan forums on us c HO, I got some pushback that,
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you know, other players like Izzy Daniels, the difference between her and
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the players below her on her own team, the you know, how much
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more she's scoring than everyone else on her team. And that argument for me
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is that she also has Annelie Bergman in net. So I don't I don't
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think Cornell without Izzy is as bad as Minnesota without Abby Murphy. Like that's
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kind of the mental gymnastics that I do on it, like what does the
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what does the team look like with with either that player not there or like
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replacement level player there. But yeah, so I with Abby, you also
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have the fact, you know that she has so many penalties that she's sort
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of a known kind of uh dur of emotions and fighting and and there's embellishment
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penalty, and there's major penalties. And since there is a component to the
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Pattykaz that's about character, like how much do you play any of that into
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there? I would have said CULTI culton Kova was in that conversation set a
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new you know, career goals record at at Colgate. But she's missed the
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last four games, you know. I spoke to the ECAC and to Colgate
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and found that she was issued at two games suspension. ECAC won't tell us
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anymore, does not disclose any more information, and then Colgate told us that
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she is taking some time away from the team. So at the moment she's
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missed four games, we have no idea if that will continue. So that
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is going to play into that, not only the character issue of why the
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spent suspension may have happened, but also just missing time. And I will
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say her being gone definitely shows how important she is to Colgate. The team
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was, you know, averaging more than five goals a game, and they
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haven't scored more than three in any of the four games that she has been
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gone, and and that's just it's clear how huge her impact was on that
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team. So that is definitely interesting. But yeah, I for me,
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I think the standout right now is probably Hustler, just the how important she
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has been to her team coming on strong. Here is this as the season
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winds down. What about you? I mean it's hard. I mean we're
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a we watch Wisconsin so much, but but it's it's hard. I think
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the fact that Wisconsin has played that's you know, sort of easier schedule this
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year and had these big blowout games. It's definitely not going to play in
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any of the Badgers' favor in terms of this conversation. Yeah, I agree
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with that, because you even get to the point of, like, Okay,
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who do they start promoting for Patty? You know, you don't throw
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six names out there and say, you know, pick from this group.
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You've kind of gotta gotta narrow it down a little bit more than that.
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And I don't necessarily know how you do that. It's been kind of a
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little bit of a you know, who's hot at the at the moment kind
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of thing. I mean, Kristen Simms has put together a lot of points.
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Casey O'Brien is on a great run right now something you know, seventeen
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points in eight games or something along those lines. But you do get into
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the who they're playing when they're putting up these big numbers, and I I'd
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encourage everyone to, you know, people who vote to to look at who's
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scoring in the big games and scoring in the games that are gonna termin championships.
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And for Wisconsin, we're still getting to those two. We'll talk about
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this at the end because they've got Minnesota and Ohio State in these final two
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weeks of the regular season, so we're gonna know a little bit more about
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that over the next two weeks. But you know, I've I've been you
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know, I was really surprised, I guess, and you know it was
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really good reporting by you with the CULTI Culton COVID News. I'm I'm a
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little I have to say, disappointin did with the way ECAC Hockey does their
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suspensions and that they don't announce them, that people are just supposed to you
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know, well, you know this player is out for some reason. I
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mean, we're dealing with adults here, right, I mean I don't I
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don't feel like this is a there's no hippo you know, for suspensions or
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for uh, you know, saying why somebody is not playing, uh when
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it's a suspension. I don't know why we're why this is the policy,
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right. I mean, we're both journalists, so we're gonna we're going error
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towards the like you should be telling us everything. And I'm like, I
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try to feel like even if I am like gracious about it, and there's
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still a middle ground between what what I think we would say and what they're
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saying, which is I had to notice that she wasn't playing for four games,
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right, So the idea that like you'll hear if a person receives extra
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games for you know, a major penalty things like that, like that they'll
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announce that sort of stuff, but like to not even put out that she
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was suspended. We're not necessarily I mean we are, but like I wouldn't
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have I wouldn't feel this way if they had told us that but hadn't told
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us why. It's it's the absolutely like nobody said anything and I had to
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like get confirmation the the reason she was missing time was a suspension and not
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injury or something else. So yeah, right, we get in this weird
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situation, and I like, having covered the sport for so long, I
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always try to find this balance that, like, particularly before this year,
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like these are ninety percent women that aren't going to go on and make money,
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Like these are not professionals. These are you know, like the difference
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between talking to, you know, a men hockey player who has gone through
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juniors and is in their mid twenties and is going, you know, on
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towards their career versus like asking you know, personal questions of someone who isn't
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going to do that and who is nineteen. Like I try to balance.
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I'm not always sure what I feel like is comfortable or okay to be asking
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about if that makes sense. But yeah, like I just I don't think
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that this is like that it's completely ghosher or out of the realm of possibility
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or what however you want to say it. That like, we we feel
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that we should be able to have access to this information, that it should
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be public information. And this is part of the trade off you have with
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you know, wanting to be covered, wanting to have news and out there
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about your sport, your game, uh, your competitions. You don't always
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get to choose what that news looks like because when you know, as much
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as we don't really like doing it, when when negative news happens, it
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still needs to be reported. And that's that's part of the game. So
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yeah, like like you're saying, I think we're on both sides, we're
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both on one side of this, uh this discussion, but uh and and
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others obviously won't won't necessarily agree with us. But yeah, I'm I'm all
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for more more transparency and in what's app being out there. And look,
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I mean we know everyone's you know, trying to find more more coverage,
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more ways of getting you know, what's good about women's college hockey out there,
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But that doesn't absolve us of the responsibility of telling the whole story.
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Yeah, absolutely so. And then it comes down to things like, you
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know, had had I not asked these questions, like would I be in
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a Patty Kasmier conversation in a few weeks, and would we be talking about
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Caltonkova as like a possible person, you know, a possible top ten or
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a possible winner, when like they're disciplinary issue, it's just an interest,
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Like it leaves the lack of information leaves like sort of the integrity of that
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and other things up for up for question. I guess, I mean that
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feels like taking it maybe a little too far, but I just it bugs
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me to feel like there's there's information to be had, and as a as
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an NCAA athlete, as someone you know, receiving scholarship and things I don't
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know like where what the line is and what people quote unquote deserve. But
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I definitely would be frustrated to find out in retrospect that we're like, you
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know, somebody did something that that we that speaks to their character that we
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and then we didn't have that information and that's I mean, that's a little
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bit of what we still don't know, right that's right. Yes, I'm
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trying to be careful. We don't know what the reason is, and so
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when I say that, I do mean somebody like it is a bad policy
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that we are talking about in the moment of this particular instance, but not
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necessarily like we don't have other information. And it's not like I was told
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something else and just didn't report it, Like I literally do not know more.
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But yeah, just if there is a disciplinary action taken, that's that
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there's more information to be had. I just I think that there need that
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needs to be out there. I don't I don't think we need to know
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every little detail, but I do, being generous, think that there should
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be something. This does get into a little bit of something that might veer
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us way up track here. Having character as one of the components of of
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awards does does always feel a little strange to me, because how do we
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know the whole story there? There's no possible way of knowing as a voter
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or as an someone who gives out an award, what that whole what the
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totality of that is across you know, all of your nominees or even when
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you get down to trying to pick, you know the winner, what's the
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same we know everything about that person, and maybe that you know something that
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just didn't come out. So I always feel a little skittish about considering that
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in one case and not another because you know, we're yeah, yeah,
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I understand that the sentiment of it that you know, you're you're giving an
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award for a complete player, and that's that's a part of what you want
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it to be. But there's a lot of unknowns there in terms of you
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know, we get to see them when they're on the ice, and you
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know, you see them more than anyone on the ice because you watch so
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many games. You know, I don't get to see that many players.
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But it's that that's a little concerning for me when when that is factored in
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only when we find out about things. Yeah, and the nature of the
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sport, right is that, like I'm the only national writer, so like,
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and and the committee changes year to year, so we're only getting information,
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Like it could be basically that there would be like one representative from a
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specific conference and like that person is the only one that can give us any
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information about anybody in that and like if it's several of your nominees or potential
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top ten are from then that conference that year. Then, like there's just
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a lack of information And like I said, as the only national writer,
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like most of the people voting don't watch don't get to watch games week to
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week, don't watch a multitude of games from multiple conferences. Like it's just
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it's not a situation that's set up, uh to get gather that information or
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to make that kind of decision, And like, you know, it's a
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two year commitment, like after this year, I am not back on the
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committee for several years, you know, so if I get if I get
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back as BacT. So yeah, yeah, it's a not a great situation
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with that. But does it mean, like I also don't want to say
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that character shouldn't be I don't. Yeah, I don't know what that is.
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I don't know. That's the hard part about it, right. I
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certainly understand why it's it's part of the award, but it's it just adds
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a level of complexity that I don't know can fully account for. I guess
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is the long story short? Yeah? Yeah, all right, well,
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okay, let's let's continue on finishing up. Looking back at last weekend,
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a couple other results you had found an interesting nugget with a Boston college player
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a few weeks ago. You want to get into what further nuggets you have
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on on that? Sure it was that well. So BC has played a
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ton of overtime games, most all of them have gone into shootout. They
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have not won very many shootouts. So I believe it was last weekend rate
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that they went to a shootout they finally won it. The person that won
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it was Kara Goulding, who does not in her sophomore year, does not
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yet have an official goal to her tally, so her first official goal will
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not count because shootout goals don't don't go on to the stats. So that's
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just kind of fun and silly, right. Well, she did it again.
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So this weekend they played to a shootout with Vermont that was too too
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tie. BC won the shootout. The only goal was scored by Kara Goulding.
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I'm sorry it was two weeks ago. It was at Providence on January
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twenty sixth. So now she has two unofficial goals but does not yet have
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a goal, you know, an NSAY career, she has no in no
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record book as having a goal, which I just that's that's crazyness, and
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I love it. Yeah, it's coming for her soon, right that we'd
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have to think, right, right? Yeah, and when I mean when
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she was put in the game, when she was sent out to do the
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shootout a couple of weeks ago, like that was kind of like an unusual
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choice for Katie Crowley, but you know, I think she was just looking
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to shake things up, right, Like Kara has one assist this season,
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Like she is not she's she's not the person that they would normally go to.
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But what they were doing hasn't worked, so like keep trying something that
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till something does. Right. So it worked last time and it worked again
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this time, and I don't know, I just really love it. I
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love that she now has done it twice and just like that's just going to
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be a really fun, crazy little factoid, right that she putting in these
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game winners, getting her team that shoot out win, but she she still
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does not officially have a goal. That's crazy. Yeah. Other results around
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the country, Minnesota completed a sweep. I mentioned that the Abbey Murphy goals.
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They swept Saint Cloud State. Another tough couple of results for Saint Cloud,
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who went through that stretch of having to play Ohio State, Wisconsin and
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then Minnesota are right in a row, and it's you know, they were
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right in there with a one nothing game on last Friday and then lost five
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to one in Minneapolis on Saturday. Was at the Saturday game there were two
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empty netters, so a three to one game. But having watched Saint Cloud
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State in Wisconsin and Wisconsin in Madison in person the weekend before, this was
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not the same Saint Cloud State in that game. Like, I just you
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could see sort of the listlessness, if for lack of a better word,
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I just you can't help but feel bad for them after after having talked what
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we've talked about in the past with talking to Brian Dalski, like it's just
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I was like, man, they were so much more dynamic in Madison,
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and it just feels like that's really you know, it's it's getting to them
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right, and that's it's just such a difficult spot to be in. But
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yeah, I after I would watch some of the Friday game, you know,
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on the stream, and Saint Cloud fought that game to the very end,
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and it was like that was the last straw that broke the Camel's back
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because we were at that game in Ritter and it just, yeah, it
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wasn't the same Saint Cloud State that I know that they can be yeap,
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So they the Minnesota wins combined with Clarkson having to win an overtime twice did
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an interesting thing in the pair wise. Minnesota moved into fourth, Clarkson dropped
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the fifth. So that's the only thing that really changed from last week in
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terms of the order of the the top eight who as of right now would
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be in the tournament with three automatic qualifiers from from conferences that don't have anyone
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else in the in the field as of right now. And so that was
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an interesting, uh kind of showing you, you know, how tightly packed
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the really number two Colgate to number five clerks that are in NPI numbers.
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How that's determining where things are at in the pair wise right now, it's
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going to go right down to the wire with that, and we're going to
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see, you know, overtime results. Only if you win an overtime game
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and only counts is two thirds of a win in the in towards the NPI,
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whereas you win in regulation you get the full credit for it. Those
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things matter and we saw that this week and where you know, when you're
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in the difference between fourth and fifth is hosting that that game in the uh
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the I guess the quarterfinals of the NCAA tournament. I was going to say
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first round, but it's really the second round. And I don't really know
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what to call that. Yeah, do that's if that ends up being the
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you know, the difference between winning a game and regulation and winning game and
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overtime that that flips that that's that's kind of crazy. Yeah, and you
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I mean you were talking about sort of two through five, but the same
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thing exists for six through nine, right, and like maybe generously into Saint
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Cloud State at ten, but six through nine is something is less than uh
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like what one point one point three points apart in the NPI, Like it's
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just the difference between Quinnipeec and eight, which is at this moment we think
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getting in the tournament, right and and not the difference between them and Minnesota
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Duluth and ninth is point zero eight nine in the NPI. Like it's just
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it's just in Wisconsin or Colgate to Wisconsin is what point zero three three?
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I mean, just these margins right now are so slim. Like when I
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started doing recaps on Sunday and I started looking at some of this stuff and
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I pulled up the NPI. I sent a screenshot to some of my friends.
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I was saying, you guys, look at these NPI numbers, just
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because like this is unbelievable. And I mean, we're gonna I think we
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were seeing Wisconsin, Minnesota. I was stay all playing each other. We're
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gonna see movement and so yeah, this is uh, it's gonna be interesting
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for sure. Yeah, when we come back, we are going to talk
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Rivalry Series, PWHL centralization, all sorts of topics that they're kind of coming
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up in the world connected to college, but not necessarily directly to college.
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But we'll get into that when we come back on the podcast. Hi,
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welcome back to the podcast. This is Nicole Hasey. He's Todd Malesky.
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We are going to talk a little bit about the Rivalry Series and some questions
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that came up out of that that kind of tie back to the college game.
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So I was at the Rivalry Series game on Sunday, watched a pretty
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lackluster game from tam Usa where they lost to Canada, and that for Canada
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completed the second straight reverse sweep in the rivalry series, meaning the US won
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the first three games, Canada won the last four, both in last year's
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or it's not a year because it's over the new year, but in last
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rivalry series and in this one. And one of the interesting conversations that came
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about from that from Jared Book, who is a Canadian that writes a lot
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about women's hockey, and I've known in the kind of Twitter conversation about women's
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hockey for a while, so Jared on Twitter and his handle is at Jared
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Book hypothesized that the US is better at the beginning of a rivalry series because
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they are using their collegiate talent, which they're all generalizations, by the way,
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I'm not like making aspirations on anybody's character or the but so that the
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US basically relies more has better younger talent, so one that talent is playing,
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the US is a better team than Canada. And later in the series,
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particularly the last three games Canada when they do neither team uses their collegiate
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players because we're much later in the collegiate season and they don't take them away
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for this that Canada has a stronger veteran group, and so that is why
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they are able to manufacture that reverse sweep now like game to game, you
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know, the US didn't. It was awful on special teams things like that.
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Like there's certainly I'm making sort of broad sweeping generalizations here. So it
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was just a really interesting conversation about how the two teams look at their collegiate
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talent use their collegiate age talent. So one of the questions that has come
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up with the PWHL, and this is on the assumption that the PWHL continues
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as we know it, that it is going to remove the need for centralization
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for the US and Canada, and that the PWHL will sort of continue on
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and all of these players will continue to play at their teams, and centralization
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as we know it meaning Hockey Canada and USA Hockey each take their group of
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players pull them for a full year in residency. That will not happen in
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the future. That is the hypothesis that that I think sort of has been
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supported by people in both Hockey Canada and USA Hockey, Like this is the
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discussion that's being that's happening right now, is that that centralization residency would not
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happen, But what does that mean for collegiate players? And so the long
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story short of that is, like if a player, if the teams aren't
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pulling for a full residency, they will still do things like camps, maybe
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monthly camps, other things like that. So do collegiate players stay with their
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collegiate team but leave intermittently to go to various camps and other things with a
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national team and then also be gone for a months in February at the height
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of the collegiate season to play in the Olympics If they don't. If they
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that's that would be that they stay with their teams, right, So if
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they don't do that, if they red shirt, then they aren't playing for
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a bunch a bunch of that time right like they are, Then they're not
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getting that that high level experience. They're just going to those camps. They
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would save their year of eligibility. But but wouldn't you know, be playing
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as much. So there's it brings up a ton of questions about what would
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happen for collegiate players one centralization changes or if centralization changes. So, yeah,
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it's just an it's an interesting conversation that led off of the US being
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reverse swept for the second year in a row in this rivalry series, and
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I think there's a bigger conversation about how Canada has not much used their younger
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talent. They do tend to sew skew older on their roster because their roster
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is so good, and now those players are all getting a bunch more playing
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time like that From an American standpoint, it's kind of scary, like watching,
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you know, thirty three year old Natalie Spooner only get better. You
26:08
understand why some of the younger players aren't getting national team spots. But yeah,
26:12
I think there is a really interesting conversation on what happens, like what
26:17
collegiate coaches and programs would allow players to do if a collegiate player would have
26:22
to give up essentially a year of eligibility playing intermittently, and what would that
26:27
look like. So I know that it's a bunch of hypotheticals right now,
26:30
but always interesting when we're talking national team stuff, and it has kind of
26:36
serious ramifications for the college game. I wonder whether there's a kind of a
26:41
hybrid option available to where the college players would be in some kind of residency
26:47
for the year they'd take the year off from the college teams, because I
26:49
really don't it doesn't feel like there would be a lot of support from the
26:55
coaching body of the college coaching body of let's take our our best players out
27:00
for a month in February and have much less if there was other camps.
27:06
Yeah, right, have them play in you know, the most demanding tournament
27:10
that there is every four years, and then bring them back and you know,
27:14
okay, let's just get right back into the playoffs. Not to mention
27:17
that, you know, you know, there's that little school thing they have
27:19
to worry about too. I know there's only right, yeah, different ways
27:22
of doing that remotely and things like that. Now, but that seems like
27:26
a lot and I don't know if I i, you know, putting myself
27:30
in the shoes of a lot of coaches, I can't see a lot of
27:34
support for that. Well. But that's interesting because like like players from Chechia
27:41
and Switzerland and things like that, they do that, right, they stay
27:42
with their collegiate team and then just go for the month of the Olympics because
27:48
their countries don't support centralization and this is the highest like they're getting the best
27:52
preparation that available to them by continuing to play in the NCAA. But that
27:56
has been intermittently just a small handfulful of players and from programs that are happy
28:03
to have most of a year of service from that player. Right. But
28:07
what happens when you're talking about sort of biggerity in programs and and them all
28:11
being concentrated when conference and things like that, definitely is an ass just done
28:15
that, right, Yeah? And and I mean to be fair, and
28:18
you know, not wanting to take anything away from you know, the countries
28:21
that are growing things, but US and Canada didn't get to be the dominant
28:25
teams by doing things where they just pull for you know, the two weeks
28:30
or three weeks that they need them. That that's that's really been the difference.
28:33
Right. So I don't know if I can see them, you know,
28:40
pulling away from that necessarily, you know, other than you know,
28:44
when we're talking about having p WHL players join in. I there's a lot
28:52
of people at the table on this one, right, So there's a lot
28:56
of interests that are going to be represented, and that's going to have to
29:02
be a pretty delicate balance of how this goes forward. And yeah, I
29:08
don't honestly know whether this was addressed in the the CBA that was, you
29:15
know, between the p w h L and its players, how how Olympic
29:19
UH cycles go. I don't know if I would have to look into that
29:26
a little bit more, whether that was UH part of how how things were
29:30
framed right, And then you know, I was thinking kind of if it
29:36
was the collegiate players would stay with their team and then come back, like
29:38
would we see conferences re thinking how they put their schedule together, Like we
29:44
know that the w c h A back end so that all of their you
29:47
know, likely top teams are playing each other in these final few weekends.
29:49
But if it came to it, like one would think like right now they
29:53
I think it's I know it's w c h A and was a Hockey East
29:57
also took off that Four Nations weekend earlier in the it's in November, Like
30:03
do they not take that sort of bye week and do they back end that
30:07
and make sure that you know, that's one of the weekends. And then
30:10
they're they're like scheduling things differently so that the loss of those players doesn't impact
30:15
the outcome of the season. And then the other thought I had was to
30:18
like collegiate players get a dispensation to play in the PWHL for a year,
30:22
kind of like like Sophie surely played that year in THECHCWHL before she came to
30:26
Wisconsin. Right, It's always been okay before you start in college, but
30:30
once you start in college, going back and forth has been forbidden as far
30:33
as I understand. Right, Yeah, So, like there's just as you
30:37
said, there's so many interests at the table and at the moment, you
30:41
know, PWHL seems to not be making tons of decisions that think that take
30:47
the de NCAA into consideration. I certainly don't want to like make any like
30:53
I have no but it does seem like like they have these upcoming games in
30:57
NHL stadium that are happening on the NCAA quarter final weekend. Things like that,
31:03
where you're like you see them working around like an NHL schedule, but
31:06
not necessarily having thought about what happens on the NCAA schedule. So it does
31:11
make me wonder how much anybody will care about that and why or why not?
31:15
Right Like when all of your players, I think there's what like five
31:18
women the whole PWHL that didn't go to an NCA school. There has to
31:22
be something working together here and everybody being at the table and discussion. And
31:26
from the little bit that I've asked around, nothing is set in stone.
31:30
No full conversations have been had. But we're also, you know, a
31:33
year out from when this would need to happen. But yeah, it's certainly
31:40
in the discussion of rivalry series, I mean kind of down a huge rabbit
31:44
hole of what effect that could have at the game For the college side,
31:48
Yeah, I think there's They can't really afford to delay too much on a
31:56
decision, rightly, because of all the people that are going to be involved,
32:00
and we'll have to you know, college coaches might have to adjust recruiting
32:06
patterns for a year because if you don't have a couple of players you're expecting,
32:10
you're you're short, and you might need to bring someone else, you
32:14
know, look for someone else to fill fill in your roster, right and
32:17
vice versa. Right, Like, they are planning ahead that players they expected
32:23
they're expecting to be gone for centralization, right Like, like I am assuming
32:28
Bradfrost expects that Murphy, Abby Murphy will be in you know, in the
32:34
pool and in the conversation, and so like is not planning to have her
32:37
on the ice at the moment, and so has recruited to fill that spot
32:40
and fill that need on its roster, you know, Wisconsin, same thing.
32:45
You know, you think about a couple of programs across the country,
32:49
and so I just think it's, yeah, like you said, it's on
32:52
the one hand, it is a year away, and the other like,
32:55
honestly like the players will need to know this by August, honestly before then,
33:01
but like August at the very leadest. Yeah, it's it comes up
33:07
faster than you realize that. I think when you're you talk about the Olympics
33:10
being in twenty twenty six, okay, it feels like that's that's a ways
33:15
away here, But a lot of those decisions are being made then in June
33:20
of twenty twenty five and into the summer of twenty twenty five, which is
33:24
not more much more than a year from now when you really want to get
33:28
down to it. So, yeah, a lot of things that need to
33:30
be discussed and figured out, and maybe some feelings that need to be you
33:40
know, working on throughout that whole process too. Yeah, it just it
33:45
felt sort of like a rabbit hole that once I started thinking about it,
33:49
it was like, okay, but what about this and what about that?
33:51
And there's approximately a million questions and details that need to be taken care of,
33:55
so you know, this is all I mean, I very much want
34:00
the PWHLD to still be happening as we know it and love it one,
34:06
you know, when we're talking about Olympic centralization, but that's all predicated on
34:08
that being the case as well too. There's just so many variables and unknowns
34:15
and it would be very interesting. I would have to assume that means that
34:17
like whoever sort of making these decisions, and I would assume USA and Canada
34:22
are having ongoing discussions of it, because one isn't going to centralize without the
34:27
other sort of thing, right, But uh, there's yeah, there's just
34:32
there's a million and one things that need to be considered, and there has
34:36
to be contingency plans for you know, if this or that, and yeah,
34:40
an organization on this and all the different players. I would have to
34:45
imagine the conversations have to be have to be happening already. So I definitely
34:50
wanted to think about it. My wild idea for this would be that would
34:54
be really cool and this would probably never happen, but for the twenty five
34:59
twenty six p w HL season leading into the Olympics, you have a team
35:07
USA, you have a Team Canada that are part of the league, and
35:09
that's your centralization group. Essentially they operate as a team in the p w
35:15
h L. Now at that point, you're talking about something completely different financially
35:21
and involving more entities than we're even talking about before, and and changing up
35:28
structures and who's playing on which what contracts, and so you're talking about something
35:32
that's probably undo, not possible, but sounds like a cool idea though,
35:37
doesn't it It does, And then that would be reised the question of like
35:42
collegiate players, right, but if they're yeah, if they're veeration teams,
35:49
yeah, there's a that certainly is interesting. We're thinking about for sure,
35:55
well put a pin in that discussion, because I think we'll be coming back
35:59
to that at some point. But we're gonna move on. When we come
36:01
back. Like we mentioned before, it's the final weekend of the regular season
36:06
in three of the conferences, and so we're going to get into what's at
36:09
stake in some of those conferences. When we come back on the podcast.
36:17
Welcome back to the podcast, Todd Maleski here along with Nicole Hasey and all
36:22
Right, last weekend of regular season coming up in ECAC, Hockey, the
36:28
CHA, and the New HA. A lot of things left to be played
36:31
for in those conferences. Also, big things happening in Hockey East and the
36:37
WHA. We'll get to that a little later, but let's start with ECAC.
36:45
Everyone's got two games left. Cole Gates in first place by three and
36:51
a half points over Clarkson, then Sat Lawrence and Cornell in the top four,
36:55
and that's the top four are booked, I believe correct. Yeah,
37:00
us, yes, are going to finish in the top four and get the
37:06
first round by and host in the second round. Uh. You've got a
37:10
little bit of you know, moving around possible though in those middle sections,
37:15
and it's you know, the next four are also said. It's gonna be
37:22
Quinnipiak, Yale, Brown Princeton hosting first round series against the bottom four being
37:29
Dartmouth, Renselaer, Union, Harvard in some order. Yeah, to be
37:35
determined this weekend. That's a lot of ways of saying that Uh, let's
37:43
let's check up on things after this weekend, because a few different things can
37:49
can maybe surprise us after this weekend. But we do know who is in
37:52
what bands. I guess as we go into the last weekend, a lot
37:57
to play for within them, right, So Colgate, Clarkson, Saint Lawrence
38:00
all in play for the title. Cornell can also still catch Saint Lawrence and
38:07
Clarkson and could finish anywhere from second to fourth. Then obviously that means,
38:13
you know, Clarkson and Saint Lawrence all all could finish anywhere in those top
38:16
four as well. So really interesting. Colgate plays at Yale and Brown.
38:22
They played they beat both of them when they played in November. Clarkson hosts
38:27
Dartmouth and Harvard if they won five OHO over Dartmouth and nine went over Harvard
38:31
in December. Saint Lawrence hosts Harvard, who they lost to one OHO in
38:35
overtime in December, and Dartmouth, who they won against six five back in
38:39
December. And Cornell plays at Brown and Yale, so just really interesting.
38:45
You know, Saint Lawrence is a stronger team now than they were at the
38:49
beginning of the year. Like I don't expect either of those games to be
38:52
as close as they are. I mean, they lost in overtime to Harvard,
38:55
who you know is the bottom team in the conference at the moment,
38:59
so I expect different outcomes there. But yeah, it's really we have our
39:04
like you said, our bands a foreset, but within those bands there's a
39:07
whole lot of movement still that that can happen. And with the ecs DE
39:10
tournament going over three weeks, so this opening round will be you know,
39:15
nine at eight, ten at seven, eleven at six, and twelve at
39:19
five, it's a single elimination game that will happen on February twenty third or
39:22
twenty fourth. The one, two, three, and four seeds then come
39:27
back into play the weekend of March first, and the winners of those opening
39:30
round games will play at those teams, and the semifinals and finals were March
39:36
eighth and ninth, hosted by the highest remaining seed after those quarterfinal games.
39:40
So a long spread here. And then the other interesting thing when we've talked
39:45
about how close NPI is is, you've got these top four seeds that'll be
39:50
sitting next weekend when Wisconsin's playing Ohio State, and some of these other,
39:54
you know, ranked teams are playing each other and have an opportunity to kind
39:58
of gain some ground. Yeah, I think that's one reason why I would
40:04
I don't know that the inside discussions here, but why you stick with the
40:07
best of three in the quarterfinals so those teams can, you know, if
40:12
they take care of business so they get two wins out of that weekend instead
40:15
of just getting the one, because then you go into you know, a
40:21
one game semi final, one game championship weekend. So having that does give
40:29
you a little bit more chance to get you know, when the points do
40:32
matter, you know, down to the to the decimal, you know,
40:36
past the decimal, having more opportunities to play sometimes even if you're not getting
40:45
a lot of points, you're getting some points each win. So it's it's
40:50
definitely worth it for for that that part of it anyway. But I was
40:54
critical of the c AC earlier about the suspension. I do have to say
40:58
this in their favor. All games on Saturday, the final day of the
41:00
regular season, start three pm Eastern, so nobody knows. It's kind of
41:06
like soccer where you go into the lost, say everyone is playing at the
41:08
same time, so no one goes in thinking they don't really have to play,
41:13
or they don't have to you know, that they're locked in anything like
41:15
that. Nope, you're you're not going to know what the rest of the
41:20
conference is doing. Right, And you know, we've picked on the format
41:23
here, but it is really important that every team is making the postseason and
41:28
every team has an opportunity to hear. It's something that I have been you
41:31
know, critical of in the past that we saw those those bottom four teams
41:35
not making the postseason. So you know, there is that necessitated a reworking
41:40
of the tournament. I'm not sure that we'll we'll see this particular format carry
41:45
on, particularly if we see the NPI is really affected. But I you
41:50
know, it's still super important that all of these teams are getting a chance
41:54
to play in the postseason. So like major props for that. I just
41:58
think they might regret this setup when it comes down to it. On the
42:02
other hand, there's a cha which this is the last weekend for two of
42:07
the teams. Because there are six teams in the conference, only the top
42:09
four make the the postseason, and that leaves a race for the fourth spot,
42:16
where right now r T and Lynden would both have fourteen points and are
42:21
tied in fourth place. This sets up to be a really challenging spot for
42:29
rit though, because they play at Penn State, who is pretty close to
42:35
wrapping their three points up on Mercehurst and you know, can wrap up the
42:39
regular season championships, so they obviously have something to play for. RT needs
42:45
points because they can't just get zero points and hope to have any chance of
42:50
getting into the fourth spot because linden Wood has the the tie breaker, had
42:54
had tie breaker if they finish even linden Wood hosts Robert More, which is
43:00
a really great story this season. I think you really can't be told enough
43:02
that, you know, in their first year back as a program, they're
43:07
they're in the CHA playoffs, So kudos to them. But this is an
43:12
interesting setup then for fourth place in the CHA, right, and the fact
43:16
that Syracuse has ten points means that they also, I mean, if they
43:21
went out they are then ty. It gets I don't know, I gu
43:24
it's really complacated the tie breakers, I suppose, but it's just it's really
43:30
cool to see. I don't know, I love that in like, even
43:31
in this smaller conference where so much has already been decided. There's still a
43:36
lot up for grabs on this final weekend. And I will say too,
43:38
like arit definitely has their uphill battle, but they they won an overtime against
43:43
Penn State a month ago, so it's not like them getting points for them
43:46
attempting to beat Penn State is just sort of out of the realm of possibility,
43:51
right, So and Linnen when and Robert Morrise they split their last series,
43:54
so I just, yeah, I think it's it's pretty cool that there's
43:58
still so much to play for. I appreciate I had to go ask for
44:00
it, but c CHA provided us with these tiebreakers. So yeah, linden
44:05
Wood has the first tiebreaker against both ri A T and Syracuse. But considering
44:12
that we we have this one, we can left. So Penn State Mercer
44:14
so clean clinched the playoff berth and home ice. Robert Morris has definitely clinched
44:17
a play up birth but that's all up in the air for where they will
44:22
play when when the postseason starts. And yeah, just for a program that
44:25
has like several players that just didn't play last year because the program attempted their
44:30
university to try to fold their program just like major props to to that team
44:35
and what they've been able to accomplish and show why they why they're a team
44:39
that that deserved to be sticking around, right and new how long Island is
44:45
the champion? They clinched had a few weeks ago. Everyone gets into the
44:51
tournament there and you did the math and found that five of these spots are
44:53
set. I want to go through which, uh, which teams are we
45:00
know where are finishing where? Yeah, so lau Will, as you said,
45:04
finished first with their forty eight points, Saint Anselm is set at second
45:07
with their thirty seven points, and stone Hill is set at third with their
45:14
thirty two points. And then the bottom half of the bottom two teams are
45:19
set post in seventh. They have fifteen points and Saint Moncael's has one point,
45:22
so they are in eighth. So one, two, three, seven
45:25
and eight are set, meaning we have, you know, our top two
45:29
matchups. Number eight at number one is set, number seven at number two
45:32
set, So Saint Michael's will play at lu Post, will play at Saint
45:38
Anselm's. Stonehill has clinched home ice but does not yet know who they will
45:43
play. Sacred Heart plays at post this weekend. Last time, Sacred Heart
45:49
won three to oh and then lost three to two. Franklin Pleeers plays at
45:52
Assumption and they split their last meeting, each team winning a game for nothing.
45:57
So definitely no clear favorite in either of those two weekend matchups, and
46:04
how those play out will help us decide and figure out the quarterfinals for New
46:07
Hut. They are playing a best of three starting the weekend of February twenty
46:13
to twenty third through twenty fifth, and the semi finals are single and elimination
46:17
at the site of the highest two remaining seeds on March second, and their
46:21
championship game is a week later. The highest remaining seed also hosts that rankling
46:28
peer's Sacred Hard are both at twenty six points high for fourth place, Assumption
46:34
three points back. So there's yeah, there's there's a bit that can happen
46:37
there in these last couple of games, and a lot on the line in
46:39
terms of getting that last last spot to host in the first round. Yeah,
46:45
I mean, I just I always say I am Team Chaos. I
46:49
like it's going to be madness, like all those ECC games happening at the
46:52
same time. Like, man, I am going to struggle to pay attention
46:57
to everything. But it's the most fun, best for the sport, it's
47:01
best for the fans watching having everything matter. It's no fun when it's all
47:06
decided before we get to this point. So I'm excited, and I'm excited
47:09
that we're not just talking about, you know, like who's gonna win first
47:12
or second, but that you know, it's the fight for some of these
47:14
other positions that were that are really kind of at the forefront. Right,
47:20
Let's move into Hockey East and the two conferences that don't finish regular season played
47:25
this weekend have another week after this or Hockey East and wha Hockey East.
47:30
Shout out to Brian Smith or whoever at Hockey East does the actual playoff permutations
47:36
every week and kind of goes through everything of what's to come, what the
47:40
tiebreakers are, sends us out every week. Hats off to whoever that is
47:45
in Hockey East, and Brian Smith sends it out so fiercely the most love
47:50
because all this other stuff I went and compiled Hockey East. I literally just
47:53
had to open up an email like such an amazing resource, cannot like these
47:59
other conference and says, take note, yep, interesting result last weekend,
48:05
Yukon who is leading in Hockey East and has a pretty comfortable lead seven points
48:10
over BC in Northeastern. Northeastern had a chance to cut into that but only
48:16
got a two two tie and then want to shootout to get the extra point
48:22
for that one. So they did gain a little bit of ground there,
48:24
but not a ton, and it's still looking like Yukon can really essentially can
48:30
wrap things up this weekend. Yeah, they you know it's they're playing at
48:40
Merrimac and at Vermont. They are in a pretty comfortable position. I feel
48:45
like, you know, it definitely is is theirs to lose at this point,
48:49
but as you mentioned last week, Northeastern is coming on right like now.
48:53
They're now tied for second with Watson College with forty five points. So
48:58
certainly an interesting mac up in think the scheduling gods, because we'll have a
49:04
split this weekend where Boston College in Northeastern play each other at home and home,
49:07
and then Yukon's very last game is against Northeastern. So love to see
49:12
these games that matter and that they're going head to head. The quirk that
49:20
happens in Hockey East is that all of their playoffs is single elimination, so
49:23
no quarterfinal series or anything like that. It's an opening round on a Wednesday,
49:29
February twenty eighth, with the bottom four teams and the standings playing off
49:36
to join the top six in the quarterfinals for a one game on March second.
49:40
The Saturday semifinals happened midweek. These are all hosted by the higher seed,
49:46
so with Hockey East kind of being in the smaller geographical footprint, they
49:51
can get away with this more than the other conferences can with travel semifinals Wednesday,
49:55
March sixth, and the final Saturday, March ninth. Just like I
50:02
believe four of the other conferences or the the three of the other four conferences
50:07
have their final on March ninth, if I remembering everything right. Yeah,
50:14
and shout out that that conference championship for Hockey East will be on espn U.
50:20
So yes for more televised inaccessible hockey women's college Hockey Hockey East has headed
50:28
bunch on Deestined, which is great for folks in the Northeast, not for
50:31
those of us not in the Northeast, but anytime that call it women's hockey
50:37
is televised, I'm excited about it, so I'm only just a little bitter
50:39
about nesson. All right, Well, let's wrap this up with the wha
50:45
then, where there's a border battle happening this weekend. Minnesota is at Wisconsin
50:52
for games Friday and Saturday. That's obviously that's kind of the race for second
51:00
and the third. It seems like right now because Ohio stated seven points up
51:04
in first place and can wrap up the WA championship with two regulation wins at
51:08
home against Saint Thomas this weekend, regardless of how Wisconsin does in its series.
51:15
Uh, there's there's also a really fascinating series for my perspective, The
51:22
battle for fourth is between Minnesota Duluth and Saint Cloud. The Luth is eight
51:27
points up on Saint Cloud, so it seems like a pretty comfortable margin.
51:30
But they play this weekend in Saint Cloud, and if Saint Cloud comes away
51:34
with two wins there, suddenly that's a two point margin. Duluth finishes at
51:37
Minnesota, Saint Cloud at Bamidgie, so that's you know, there's a chance
51:44
here for Saint Cloud if they can turn around what you know, you talked
51:47
earlier about how it it kind of looked like these last few weeks have been
51:52
getting to them. They have a chance to turn it around here and still
51:55
get into a top four spot and host in the playoffs. It might take
52:00
an awful lot, given given what's happened in these last few weeks. But
52:06
I think if you're if you're you know, playing for the Huskies or coaching
52:08
for the Huskies, you're you're looking at as hey, there's a possibility here,
52:13
we have to go at it. Yeah, absolutely. I mean I
52:15
think the important part to point out right with two weekends left is there's twelve
52:19
points up for grads. So that just like at eight points or the a
52:23
point lead that Minnesota Luth has, some point lead that sat Ohio State has,
52:29
like those are those are big leads. But there's a ton of points
52:31
still available in this conference. And I think, you know, particularly with
52:35
Saint Cloud State, they they know they can beat Minnesota Duluth, right,
52:38
they know that they have the ability to come out of this game this weekend
52:44
with six points. Obviously, Minnesota Duluth is not only pointing uh goodness today.
52:51
Now Minnesota Duluth is not only fighting for conference position, but for you
52:54
know, national position, and they need those points in the overall innings for
53:00
pairwise, but uh yeah, I just there's there's still something to fight for
53:05
here for Saint Cloud, and they're They're a team that I in any one
53:08
game playoff like, I would be nervous any team in the country playing Saint
53:13
Cloud in a one game elimination style. There aren't a team that I would
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want to face in that situation. They've they've shown themselves to be an amazing
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defense, amazing goaltending, really adaptable. I just I hope that they can
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they can kind of find dig a little deeper and find that that motivation.
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Just I do not at all blame them for where they're they are mentally and
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and how difficult this has been. But I think they're the kind of team
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that if they can force themselves into the national conversation and in a possible tournament
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bid, they have sort of a makeup that I would not bet up.
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I bet against right. And obviously Minnesota Wisconsin that that week always means for
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us here in Madison, we get there. Mark Johnson talk about his experiences
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playing Minnesota back in the day, which is always fun because he he has
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stories about his first game as a freshman at Minnesota at Old mary Goos Arena,
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Williams Arena. Then they had to come up steps to get to the
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ice, and you know, things are raining down upon them as a visiting
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team, and he says that after scoring the overtime goal, walking out was
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a lot better than coming into the rink. It's great stories there, but
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you know, the Badgers and the Gophers and women's hockey makes some pretty good
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stories on their own on the ice. And I think that there's a pretty
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good chance of more good, good things happening this weekend between in that rivalry
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between those two teams. Yeah, I you know, not only the classicness
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of the rivalry, but the fact that Mark Johnson and Brad FoST have been
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the coaches for pretty much all of it. I mean, there just aren't
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any secrets of surprises between those two right like there, It's an ongoing chess
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match for longer than some of these players have been alive. And so I
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that's part of what makes it fun. In my opinion, think it's just
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did you never know what's gonna happen? You could have a zero zero game,
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you could. I mean last year, this second to last weekend Minnesota,
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the two teams tied to two in the first game and then the second
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game was seven five. It just like you'd never quite know. And I
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just I think that's what makes this fun. And the fact that those two
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like they're not going to go out there and like outstrategize the other, and
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neither one of those coaches is sort of heavy handed in the way that they
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they guide their team. But the fact that you've got sort of two of
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the most decorated, most successful coaches in women's college hockey who respect each other
55:43
and who know each other really well, leading you know, two talented teams.
55:46
It's it's what makes it fun. And then it's just always so extra
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because the teams dislike each other so much, right Like there is that rivalry
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and there there will be that extra level and the Badgers will be trying to
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trip up Abby Murphy and go to a little and she'll be trying to do
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the same back to player to Bretta up probably and it's yeah, like it's
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just gonna you can't make any mistakes in a game like this. It really
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will come down to small stuff. And then the other thing that's fun for
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me, I think is that neither team gets to play their own game,
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right like this isn't like when they go out and dominate a game and sort
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of assert their will on the other team. Like, it's not necessarily pretty
56:22
hockey, but it sure is fun. It's going to be fast, it's
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gonna be chippy, it's gonna be about you know which way the puck bounces
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and which one of them adapts to the the fact that the other team is
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gonna try and break them up so much I will laugh. Arlen, who
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used to be the women's hockey writer at usc h O before me, he
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made a joke on our fan for him that usually what the Badgers do to
56:45
to hold Minnesota up is is intercept their passes, and well, passing has
56:50
not been a strong suit for the Gophers this year, so he was joking
56:52
that he wasn't sure what the Badgers would come with to try and shake Minnesota
56:58
up. Obviously he was being a little unkind to the Gophers, but it
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did make me laugh that he was, like, that just means they have
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to come up with a different strategy, so like, maybe that works in
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the gophers favor. Arlen has watched many of these games more than you or
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I I think at this point, and having his little bit of input made
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me smile. Oh, any last thoughts before we adjourned for the week.
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It's another weekend of a lot of games out there that we saw last week,
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a lot more games going to overtime. I would imagine we're getting in
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that point the season out where it's just there's finding that difference means an awful
57:37
lot when you get down to this point in the season. Yeah, I
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mean, I just I don't know, women's hockey has never been more popular,
57:45
right, and everybody watching the PWHL, But like, man, for
57:47
my money, do I love the college game. I think there's just there's
57:50
so many storylines we could talk for a couple more hours and not run out
57:53
of things to talk about. Just from the last week or two, right,
57:57
there's just there's so many points up for grabs, so many players to
58:01
watch that are you know, gonna make big plays like Abby Hustler did last
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weekend? Right, So I just I'm s excited. I would say,
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you know, I know some of the games are behind paywalls and things like
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that, but like I know, you can get a big ten plus monthly
58:16
subscription for one school for ten dollars for the month, and if you like
58:22
really good games, I might, you know, suggest getting the Badgers and
58:24
you would get the two games against Minnesota and the two games against Ohio State
58:29
next week, or however you want to break that down. Minnesota would have
58:32
the two games against Wisconsin and then two games against Minnesota the loose. So
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definitely lots of options out there and ways to watch it. I understand that
58:39
the different streams are hard to do, but I think you can't go wrong.
58:44
You can watch some pretty amazing hockey over the next two weeks. And
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the ESPN Plus feed too with the Oh yes, I just assume everybody's doing
58:52
that. Sorry, I had six dollars a month or whatever it is.
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I think everybody should be doing that, so I was talking about them more
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so I'm sorry. Yes, please, also, if you don't already,
59:04
do the ESPN Plus for the minimum of the month, because you will get
59:07
an access to a to a ton of hockey that is Grade A and again,
59:14
all of the players, all but I think five players and the p
59:16
WHL played it in NCAA. Schools like these are the stars now and they
59:22
are the stars of the future, and it's pretty exciting to get to watch
59:24
them like they could comp you your subscription now for your for your would be
59:30
nice endorsement, right yeah, all right, Well, we hope you enjoy
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this week's hockey. We know we will join us back here next week.
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We'll talk about all that that will look forward to the start of the playoffs
59:43
and three conferences and the final weekend of the regular season for two others,
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and everything else that's going on in women's college hockey for Nicole hose On,
59:52
Todd Mluski, thanks for joining us on the podcast.