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Audit of Austin’s $25 million contract with the Long Center reveals gaps in billing, transparency, oversight · Austin Signal

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A review of the City of Austin's $25
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million contract with the Long
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Center to Disperse Arts Grants
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funding has exposed gaps in billing,
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transparency, and oversight.
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City auditors for years have raised
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concerns about weaknesses in the
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monitoring of city contracts.
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We've got more about that.
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And a new program wants to bring
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Austin's home-based side hustles
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out of the shadows, out of that
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crowded garage and into the light
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of day.
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It's the latest effort from the city
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to create ways for micro businesses
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and owners to thrive, not just
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survive more about that coming
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up on today's show.
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The Austin Signal is a production
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of KUT News, hosted by
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Jerry Quijano.
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Plus, the Texas women's basketball
0:47
team is back in the final four.
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A pair of wins this weekend would
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give the Horns their second national
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championship, 40 years
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on from their first.
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More about that coming up next
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on Austin Signal.
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Howdy out there, this is Austin
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Signal. I'm your host, Jerry
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Quijano.
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It is Friday, April 3rd.
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Thank you for making us part of
1:18
your day.
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For over 20 years, the
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Austin City Auditor's Office has
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continuously flagged problems with
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the monitoring of money paid to
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contractors and consultants.
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And the $25 million contract
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with the Long Center to disperse
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arts grant funding is just the
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latest example, according to a
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report out by Austin Current.
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It says that the city continues to
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have issues with how it monitors the
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billions of dollars of taxpayer
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dollars it pays to consultants,
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nonprofits, and private companies.
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For more, we are talking with Andrea
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Ball, the growth development
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reporter who wrote the story for
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Austin Current.
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Andrea, welcome back to the show.
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Thanks for having me.
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So remind us about this $25
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million Long Center agreement and
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why it's under so much scrutiny
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right now.
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Right, so in
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2023, the city decided
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that it was going to start using a
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third party to administer these
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arts grants.
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To be clear, the $25 million
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contract is not
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all $25 million to the Long
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Center. They're handling the
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processing of about $23.5
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million that's going out to the
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artists.
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$1.5 goes to them as profit
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or as fees for service.
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And When I
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came to town, I started hearing
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some things about the
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process and some
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financial questions about
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the contract itself.
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And so the Long
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Center is used because it
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has such a great ability
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to basically get
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grants out quickly, where the city
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was really slow about it.
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The way the contract was structured,
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it was just kind of unusual for the
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type that it was in that instead of
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saying, okay, your fees are capped
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at this percentage or this dollar
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amount, it was a fee for service
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thing, which means fee for services
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per hour, which means you gotta
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really be on top of that.
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And that's where questions started
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coming in.
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You have been reporting on this for
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a while now another story that you
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did recently says that because of
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all of this the city has started
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to rethink the arts grant
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system and maybe the contract with
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the long center or what's going on
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there.
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So when we did our story,
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these city's arts department,
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just to keep it short, they
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decided to do a review.
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And when people do reviews, you
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pretty much assume nothing's gonna
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happen.
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You know, okay, they're just gonna
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be like, oh, we reviewed it, great,
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look forward to a fruitful and long
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relationship.
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And, but actually it appears they
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really did look at it and
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they came back with an internal
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review that said, hey, we're not
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getting audits that are detailed
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enough.
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You can't account for certain
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billing.
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We don't have performance measures
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for you. This is just, we
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need to tighten up.
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We're probably gonna do an RFP,
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meaning we're gonna bid this out
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when your contract's up in 2028.
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And we are also thinking about
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doing a third party independent
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audit of you.
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I do wanna say something pretty
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clearly.
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No one has accused them of doing
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anything improper.
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And the story that we did
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yesterday really talks about
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But whatever issues there are
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with the Long Center and this
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contract is
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not all on them if there
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are really issues.
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The city has a long documented
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history of having problems
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with monitoring
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contracts throughout the city.
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They've been warned for two decades
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about this issue and it
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continues to happen.
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This lack of monitoring, this
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fragmentation of contracts all
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over the city, the lack of
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performance reviews and
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goals.
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This is not new.
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And so you start to have to ask the
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question, why, why
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is, why, why are we not changing
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this?
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And it's not just limited to arts
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grant funding, correct?
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Right. Right.
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It's everything.
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Mayor Watson is on the city's Audit
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and Finance Committee.
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What did he have to say about this
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pattern of weak oversight?
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Yeah, he told me
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this week that he's got some things
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in the works, that he has been
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addressing this within the
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city staff, and I don't
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know yet what those plans might be
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in terms of oversight, but some
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people are saying, yeah, it's long
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overdue.
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You mentioned this contract going up
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for bid again.
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Has the city considered taking
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this work in-house?
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Yes, they have talked about
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that. It used to be in-house.
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And the issue was that
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the artists were like, it's taking
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forever to get the money.
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I got to do my work.
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Like, this money is really important
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to artists, because it helps them to
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not spend their own money to
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live in in Austin.
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Because if you're spending all your
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money on your art, you can't pay
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your rent. And so that's why these
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grants are super important.
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So one
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of the possibilities
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is yes, that the city's
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arts department would take it in
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house.
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The estimate is to take around 10
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people, uh, that they would
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need some more money for, you know,
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the expenses of that, some IT work,
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whatever. And it's, it's
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up for, y'know, consideration.
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So what are you hearing from members
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of the community as this is playing
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out?
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I think that I will tell you this.
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I have heard from
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a lot of musicians that
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this issue has been coming up
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over the years and that they have
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talked to people in
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the city about it and nothing
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happened.
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I think sometimes when it comes
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to grants and things like that,
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people's concerns get dismissed as
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you didn't get a grant so you're
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better.
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When we talk about processes and
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they are mixed.
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With a lot of emotions, things
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get glossed over,
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or it's too difficult to address,
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or there's a new department, we've
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had so many new leaders, new city
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managers and stuff, so I think
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there's lot of interest in seeing,
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okay, you're listening to our
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concerns now, where's this going?
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Okay, we have been speaking with
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Andrea Ball, she is the growth
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development reporter at Austin
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Current, KUT's and
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Austin Signal's reporting partner in
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covering the city of Austin.
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Andrea, always a great time talking
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with you.
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Thank you for having me.
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Running a business out of your home
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is getting a little easier
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for Austin entrepreneurs.
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KUT's Luz Moreno Lozano tells
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us how the city is now making it
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simpler for secret side hustles
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to be shared out in the open.
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Jennifer Worth frames art, posters,
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and photos out of her East Austin
7:53
home.
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It's called Vintage Framing Studio,
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a business she started in 2010.
7:59
She reuses and recycles frames she
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finds at thrift stores and works
8:02
with each customer to find the right
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frame for their piece.
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It's the kind of work she and her
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partner used to do at South Austin
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Gallery before closing the brick and
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mortar location 10 years ago.
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Worth converted her garage into a
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framing workshop and used her front
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fence to advertise her small
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business.
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On my fence and like if you
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across the street you'll see it's a
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green belt so there's constantly
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people like walking so
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I would get a lot of people
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basically would see
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my signs.
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Then early last year, she says a
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city worker knocked on her door and
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told her to take those signs down.
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Someone in the neighborhood had
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complained.
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Now, Worth will be allowed to put
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her signs back up.
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The Austin City Council has approved
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a pilot that lets home-based
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businesses like Worth's advertise
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and sell their products in their
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front yards.
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It's part of a recent effort by the
8:51
city to create more ways for micro
8:53
businesses to operate and thrive in
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Austin.
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Councilmember Natasha Harper-Madison
8:58
led the initiative to let small
8:59
businesses operate from their homes
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in plain sight.
9:03
Sharon Mays, Harper- Madison's Chief
9:04
of Staff, says it's not a new
9:05
concept.
9:06
Austin has had home occupation
9:09
rules on the books for a really
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long time and that lets
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residents run a limited
9:15
number of businesses inside
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of their home.
9:18
But the businesses were never
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visible from the street.
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During the last legislative session,
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lawmakers made it easier for Texans
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to start a home business.
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May said that cleared the way for
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Austin to let these businesses come
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out in the open.
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Our Strong Local Commerce initiative
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is really trying to empower
9:36
those entrepreneurs and those
9:38
home-based businesses by saying
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there is an option
9:42
to also bring that
9:44
business outside of the
9:46
house.
9:47
It means these home-based business
9:48
owners can display a small sign in
9:50
the yard and sell art, plants, and
9:51
other goods from their front porch.
9:54
Kelly Masters is president and
9:56
founder of nonprofit Homemade Taxes.
9:58
She says this is the kind of
9:59
flexibility she and her team have
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been fighting for in the cottage
10:02
food industry.
10:04
Back in 2005, Masters was
10:06
looking for a way to earn a little
10:07
extra money by making and selling
10:09
cakes out of her home.
10:11
But she soon learned that it was
10:12
illegal.
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For years, she lobbied lawmakers for
10:15
new cottage food laws.
10:17
In 2011, the state legalized
10:19
cottage food businesses with some
10:20
limitations.
10:22
But many cities still have rules
10:23
that prohibit home-based businesses
10:25
from being visible, making it
10:26
difficult to sell their goods from a
10:28
residence.
10:29
You can make the best product in
10:30
your kitchen, but...
10:31
It's hard to find a place to sell
10:33
it. And so for a lot of
10:35
these bakers and makers,
10:37
the most natural place to sale.
10:39
And the easiest place to sell is
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right at your own home.
10:41
The new program isn't sitting well
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with everyone.
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At a city council meeting last week,
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several people expressed concerns
10:47
about traffic, parking problems,
10:49
eyesores, noise, and odors.
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South Austin resident Sarah Fow says
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it could be a bigger problem for
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neighborhoods without sidewalks.
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When we don't have sidewalks,
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we've got the kids, the bikes, the
11:00
dogs, the strollers.
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We're all forced to walk out in
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the street.
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Survive adding more car trips to
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our neighborhood streets from the
11:08
retail businesses.
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Council staffer Mays says the city
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is taking those concerns seriously
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and plans to roll out the home-based
11:14
business program in areas designated
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as pink zones.
11:18
Staff will monitor things like
11:19
traffic, parking and neighborhood
11:21
sentiment before a citywide rollout.
11:23
City rules about noise, trash and
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pollutions to apply and these
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businesses are not allowed to
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violate HOA rules or deed
11:29
restrictions.
11:31
Jennifer Wirth says as a longtime
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business owner, the city should be
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doing more to support local
11:36
businesses.
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It might be that.
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That to keep the local and then like
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keep Austin weird,
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we need to have these home
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businesses that people can find,
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you know, cause we can't, a lot of
11:46
us can't afford brick and mortar and
11:47
it's too scary to do that.
11:49
She says businesses like hers and
11:51
others help make the city what it
11:52
is.
11:54
I'm Luz Moreno Lozano in Austin.
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And we're gonna have a link to
11:58
Luce's reporting in today's
12:01
podcast, Show Notes.
12:02
And since it is a Friday, in case
12:04
you missed anything that we worked
12:05
on this week, you can always catch
12:07
up on all of our shows.
12:09
That is over at kut.org
12:12
slash Signal.
12:13
We are community powered public
12:15
radio and we will be back
12:17
after a break.
12:18
This is Austin Signal.
12:20
Thanks for making us part of your
12:21
Friday.
12:30
This is Austin Signal, welcome
12:32
back.
12:33
Families across Texas that choose to
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celebrate Easter have varying
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traditions.
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For many, especially
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Mexican-American families,
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cascarones are a staple in
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children's Easter baskets.
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My grandma collects all her
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eggshells from her church baking and
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loves to paint hers in a variety
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of really, really pretty styles.
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These colorful and painstakingly
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handmade confetti eggs have one
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purpose only, to be smashed
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on someone's head.
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Austin signal managing producer,
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Kristin Cabrera, takes us through
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what makes these cascarones special.
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Easter memories of mine consist of
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90 degree weather in the Rio Grande
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Valley, barbecuing fajitas
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surrounded by lots and
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lots of cousins.
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But what I remember most about these
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childhood Easter's are the
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cascarones.
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With these confetti eggs as
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ammunition, what happened after
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the egg hunt was tantamount
13:27
to a family battle royale.
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And I know my family wasn't the only
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one. We would crack the Easter
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eggs.
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On people's heads and it was
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all in fun.
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There were some mischievous kids
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and adults who put stuff
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in them like flour.
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You never knew who was gonna get
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that one. That's Norma Elia Cantu.
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She is the Murchison Professor of
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the Humanities at Trinity University
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in San Antonio.
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She says cascarones are a tradition
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that many Mexican-American families
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have going back generations.
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Well, like most South Texans.
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And northern Mexican Mexicans.
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We have a tradition during Easter
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of preparing the cascarones
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during Holy Week,
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dyeing them, stuffing them with
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confetti, covering them up,
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decorating them.
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And I have very fond memories of my
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childhood when my aunts
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from Mexico would come visit Laredo.
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Help us decorate the eggs.
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I remember watching my mom and my
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grandma delicately crack the tops of
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each egg at breakfast,
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setting the shell aside to dry out
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and eventually be decorated and
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filled weeks later.
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And all these memories got me
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thinking, I should just make some
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right now.
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Okay, so I
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am in my kitchen
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slash dining room right
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now in my apartment and I've
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got 18 eggs
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that I'm gonna use to
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make cascarones.
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The process is fairly
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straightforward.
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Step one, crack the egg.
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The key is just to tap the
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top of the
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egg and then just lift it up
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like a little top.
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Step two, rinse and dry your
15:08
eggs. So I've just rinsed the
15:10
eggs. Then I'm gonna place the eggs
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in the oven at 275
15:14
for five minutes, just to
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dry out the eggs with heat.
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I have to wait for my eggshells to
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cool, but if you've been drying
15:20
yours on the counter for weeks, then
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it's time for step three,
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decorating. But overall, I think the
15:26
best bet is markers.
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I decorate the shells with stars and
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flowers and try my best to be both
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artistic and delicate.
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Where this artistry originally comes
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from is full of conjecture, says
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Kantu.
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There are many cultures that
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have a rich tradition in decorative
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eggs.
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In fact, Ukraine has a very
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rich tradition of hand-painted
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eggshells, and
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also into Germany and Austria,
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but they would not stuff it with
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confetti and hit it over people's
15:55
heads.
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Heads because they're precious.
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The hollowed out and filled eggs are
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said to have originated in China.
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Marco Polo reportedly brought the
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tradition to Europe, but cascarones
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really took root in Mexico.
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Which brings us to
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Step four, filling the eggs.
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This is the family prankster's
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favorite part.
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Though confetti is customary, some
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will sneak flour or even glitter
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into the eggs instead.
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This was strictly forbidden by
16:23
my mom.
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Step five, covering the eggs,
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all this takes is a little bit of
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Elmer's glue and a square of tissue
16:29
paper. And now they're done.
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Except to make these truly
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cascarones, they need to be tested.
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As a childless millennial with no
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backyard, I've borrowed my
16:39
co-workers' kids.
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Can you say it louder and into that?
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My name's Henry and I'm seven
16:43
years old.
16:44
Yeah, can you say, my name is Scout?
16:46
My name is South.
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Oh, and then how old are you?
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I am 10 years old!
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How old are ya?
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Scout is in fact five years old,
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and that voice asking her to say so
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is her mom and my KUT co-worker,
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Clara Ha.
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Clara and her husband Alan have
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graciously let me test the quality
17:05
of my cascarones in their backyard.
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And now, the kids are about to run
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and find the ones I've hidden.
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Alright, ready, set,
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go! Go find them!
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One of the great things about
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cultural traditions is getting to
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share them with others.
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In Texas.
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These cascarones have found their
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way into more than just Easter
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celebrations, but birthday parties
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and city festivals like Fiesta
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in San Antonio.
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Humanities professor Norma Cantu
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explains that cultural expression in
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Texas is already fused with
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other influences and something
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magical can happen over time.
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It kind of transformed.
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And becomes its own
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third culture if you will.
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What Gloria Anzaldua would call
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nepantla, we exist in this
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in-between space that
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brings together different
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sometimes opposing cultures
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into a unified expression.
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And in some way I would even claim
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the cascarón is a site
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of such fusion.
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If you've never had a cascadona in
18:09
your basket, we invite you to
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try it out.
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But as Cantu says, be gentle.
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You don't hit the cascaron on
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someone's head.
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You break it here.
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Hand over their head.
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I'm Kristin Cabrera in Austin.
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Gentle touches!
18:38
The Texas women's basketball team
18:40
will take the court against fellow
18:42
one seed UCLA in tonight's
18:44
final four game in Phoenix.
18:46
As KUT's Kaylee Hunt reports,
18:48
it's the second straight year that
18:49
the Longhorns have advanced to the
18:51
NCAA tournament semifinals.
18:53
But the team and its fans
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are hopeful that this season
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will end a championship drought.
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That last national title nearly
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40 years ago, back when the team
19:04
was coached by the legendary Jody
19:06
Conrad.
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And over the last two years, the
19:08
team has been so close to
19:10
finally winning again.
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For the first time since 1987.
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Texas is headed.
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For now, Conrad remains the only
19:24
coach to lead a Texas women's
19:26
basketball team to a national
19:27
championship.
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Her 1986 team went 34-0,
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becoming the first women's team in
19:33
NCAA history to complete a perfect
19:35
season.
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Current coach Vic Schaeffer is
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looking to bring home the title in
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his sixth year leading the program.
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Schaefer has his own historic
19:43
coaching record.
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He's the only Coach in NCAA women's
19:47
history to lead multiple teams
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to multiple final force.
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He took Mississippi State to Final
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Four appearances in 2017 and
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2018.
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In a press conference after UT's
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win over Michigan in the Elite
20:00
Eight, Schaeffer talked about his
20:02
team's success and that the
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journey isn't over.
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I told them they're good enough.
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I've been on this trip before, but I
20:10
want them to really be focused.
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Enjoy today, don't take these things
20:13
for granted. I do not take today for
20:15
granted, these moments,
20:17
but enjoy it.
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But when we get on the plane and
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we go to Phoenix, you keep
20:23
that edge that you've had.
20:25
Schaeffer says there's no question
20:26
that last year's Final Four run
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influenced his team's performance
20:30
this year.
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Here he is talking at a press
20:32
conference in Phoenix.
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They know exactly what they're
20:35
getting into,
20:37
and I just think there's a
20:39
maturity about them and a level
20:41
of focus and concentration
20:43
and confidence.
20:45
Texas was knocked out of last year's
20:47
final four round by South Carolina.
20:49
The Longhorns got revenge though
20:50
last month, defeating the Gamecocks
20:52
78-61 to secure
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the program's first ever SEC
20:56
Conference Championship.
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I think we kind of increased that
20:59
focus and increased that mentality.
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I think right before SC Tournament
21:02
started.
21:03
That's Texas' junior first-team
21:05
All-American Madison Booker.
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I think we knew we had a business
21:08
and we had our goals to achieve and
21:10
we wanted to achieve it and we felt
21:11
like we were good enough to achieve.
21:13
So I think that's kind of when we
21:14
really locked in and kind of paid
21:16
attention more to film and scout
21:17
and practice.
21:19
But even with all that work,
21:21
all that focus, and all the pressure
21:22
of being in another Final 4,
21:25
Booker says the team is having fun.
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I think it's so easy to kind of
21:29
take basketball as a job.
21:31
I just think we as a team,
21:33
we have done a great job kind of
21:34
just going back on that and kind of
21:36
taking it back as a kid's sport.
21:37
I mean, we all played when we were
21:38
younger and we all loved this sport
21:40
when we're young. We had a fun, we
21:41
played when were younger.
21:42
And I really, when we did
21:44
that, I think we seemed more like we
21:46
seemed like a higher level in our
21:48
team chemistry and our sisterhood
21:49
here.
21:50
The winner of tonight's game will
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play South Carolina or UConn in
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Sunday's national championship game.
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Tip off tonight is at 8.30pm on
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ESPN.
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I'm Kaylee Hunt in Austin.
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And if you've got your season
22:02
long superstitions that have been
22:04
working, keep on going tonight
22:06
and hopefully on Sunday for
22:08
the national championship game
22:10
too.
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Well, that is it for today's
22:13
show. We're gonna have a link to all
22:15
of the reporting that we shared with
22:17
you today in the podcast
22:19
show notes. And you can find more
22:20
from us at kut.org
22:23
slash signal.
22:25
Rayna Sevilla is our technical
22:26
director. She's been handling the
22:28
majority of the technical duties
22:29
and keeping me in line this week
22:31
doing a great job.
22:32
Thank you Ray.
22:33
Kristen Cabrera is our managing
22:35
producer. She has been under the
22:36
weather this week so she's not been
22:38
with us in the studio but still
22:40
working hard as ever.
22:41
Thank you Kristen.
22:43
I am your host Jerry Quijano.
22:44
Austin Signal will be back Monday
22:47
afternoon at 1 o'clock and
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22:51
Have a great weekend and
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be safe out there.