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Brett Keane Destroys Atheists on Talk Heathen Show · Brett Keane and Eve Show

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  Another caller Here we have. We've got, oh again, a lot of
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  good. God, gosh.
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  Now I want to get to Brett, though.
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  Let's talk to Brett from Missouri.
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  Brett says the New Testament is a good guide for morality.
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  Brett, you're live on Talk Heath and What's Up?
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  Hello, I hope you're all doing well.
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  I actually run a YouTube thing in a podcast myself, and I
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  thought you guys were interesting, so figured I'd call
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  you up. I'm at Brett Keene on YouTube,
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  if you're curious. OK, right, So what?
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  What do you think? Why do you think the New
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  Testament is a good guide to morality?
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  Let's start there. Well, there's Arnott's.
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  It's face surface by itself. It is actually a good guide.
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  I've even heard many atheists state that the philosophy that
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  Jesus taught was exceptional and one could actually live a pretty
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  good life based upon it. But I've also compared the
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  theology and the morality based upon other religions as well as
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  atheism, and I've come to the conclusion that atheism is a
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  subjective morality. It's basically whatever feels
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  good, nihilistic. Nothing really has any meaning
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  and value. It's only what's acceptable in
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  society or whatever nature evolved us to be.
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  Kind of concept. Well, as you know, nature isn't
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  very kind. There's a lot of things such as
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  pedophilia, killing, destruction, and nature and
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  society. We've got to you guys were just
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  talking about the death penalty, right?
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  One of the big reasons why Christians argue over it is
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  because our system is broken. It's messed up, so we don't know
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  if we should go along with the system that says it's OK to kill
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  people when they can't even get their their cases right or
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  people are treated fairly in the process.
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  You get what I'm saying? Yes.
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  And also Jesus is a victim of the death penalty.
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  So I would think that most Christians would be against it,
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  but you know, obviously they don't all agree on that.
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  So yes, and Brett, before we continue, though everything
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  you've said so far it's about atheism, I haven't heard
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  anything about the New Testament.
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  And also you've described atheist morality as nihilism.
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  And I don't know if you've actually done, and I'm sorry,
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  correct me if I'm wrong, Brett, but have you actually read the
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  literature on secular philosophy?
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  Well, I myself used to be a very I I actually used to be a very,
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  very popular social media former atheist until I came over to
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  Christianity. I've only been doing
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  Christianity and theism for about 5-6 years, but I spent the
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  majority of my life doing the Aaron Rahm, Matt Dillahunty,
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  amazing anus kind of thing. Oh, amazing atheist.
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  Sorry about that. That's great.
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  Yeah, I remember. I appreciate that.
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  But I'm, I'm asking about because you there's different
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  forms of secular morality, right, right.
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  Like if you look at Camus, if you look at Sarts, if you look
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  at the Nietzsche, I mean, all of these are just 20th century
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  examples. Obviously, you got to fill out
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  the majority of secular moral systems, right?
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  But like, there's more than one kind of secular morality.
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  And is it subjective? Well, it's not based on a
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  universal moral principle all the time.
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  Yeah. But like, you know, to just come
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  to the collision, say that it's all just nihilism.
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  I that's a red flag for me, right?
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  You understand? Right.
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  Well, wasn't Nietzsche A nihilist?
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  He basically said, you know, even though he believed that God
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  did not exist, he even stated God's dead.
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  He said we have to have something to fill the void And
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  his writings. He said if we don't have some
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  kind of moral foundation, then there's going to be, it's going
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  to be a cataclysm. Society can't hold itself.
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  That's why a lot of our leaders say that if you don't have God
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  and those objective concepts to go along with, then it's it's
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  how do you make laws like that? Who's going to make the laws if
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  it's just our human subjective behavior, animalistic instincts
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  and ideas? OK, so OK, we're talking about
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  something. If you're talking about what
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  Nietzsche wrote in Thus Spoke Zarathustra, which he's talking
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  about the deconstruction of Christianity as the main social
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  and moral function of society. He does say that there has to be
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  something that comes afterwards, right?
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  He's using Zarathustra is a, is a, is a.
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  You know, it's sort of the prophet that he uses to sort of
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  represent this. And and he said there's this
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  coming of age where there's going to be, you know, people
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  who are looking for something outside of of Christianity in
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  order to fulfill that. And he has a lot of various
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  ideas about what that might be. But like, when you say he's for
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  nihilism, I mean, again, it's like, well, he's describing like
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  one potential system, a system that he thinks is going to be,
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  you know, useful across all of of of.
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  Well, not useful necessarily. I mean, for usefulness, he's
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  talking about the Uber mansion stuff before he's writing about
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  that. But like Nyla's means it's a
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  descriptive part of his more systems, OK.
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  So that's that's kind of the nuance I want to make here
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  because he's not saying this is a good thing and that this is
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  like what we should all be following.
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  He's saying that this is going to be the result of it if we
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  don't develop, you know, secular forms of morality, which other
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  writers like later do, which again, it's like this is a very
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  complicated issue and it there's like a lot of thought that's
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  gone into this. So I.
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  What does this have to do with the New Testament either?
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  I I I've also, yeah, it doesn't really have much to do.
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  Like, like, OK, we can talk about the problems of secular
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  morality all day, right? Absolutely.
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  That doesn't mean the New Testament is suddenly the, like,
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  greatest and best of all the morality systems out, right?
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  Exactly. Those are two totally different.
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  Well, I was when we started the conversation, if you'll
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  remember, I said compared to the atheist position and other views
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  that I've researched and studied, I believe that the the
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  New Testament has a more efficient moral system than what
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  is set up. And I don't just say that based
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  upon obviously just belief and faith.
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  I base it on stats and what we've seen historically.
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  Any time that you seen where non believers were given power or
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  political push, it always ended. Entire civilizations being
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  enslaved or killed. Gun control where weapons were
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  removed and people were left like sitting ducks in a barrel.
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  So it never turned out good. Go ahead.
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  Was OK. I don't think that's the case
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  though. You know, America was one of the
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  largest slave owning organizations like in the world
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  for a long time, right? Obviously.
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  And we were. It's not like we are less like,
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  it's not like we're more Christian now, right?
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  There are more people like statistically who identify.
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  I'm not saying population wise but but but per person, like not
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  per person. Sorry I'm the opposite of per
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  person. If you divide up the population
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  of slave owning Americans and and all Americans, there's like
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  we're more Christians than there are now.
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  So like I don't understand why you're saying it's the more use
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  the word efficient. I just think it's interesting
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  but like why on earth would we follow Christianity when it
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  seems to lead to just as many problems as any other system.
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  Like I I don't see how it's the best.
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  And and you make and. The New Testament.
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  Has I I was going to say you make a good point.
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  In a way that it supports it so. Absolutely.
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  It never. And there is not a single line
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  in the Bible that says slavery is wrong, right, or that human
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  ownership shouldn't happen. Well, sure there is.
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  Sure. There.
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  Yeah. Sure there is.
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  Sure there is. Even in the Old Testament, it
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  says that if you kidnap people then you'll be you'll get the
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  capital punishment. You're not allowed to take a
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  person as possession. The entire book of Exodus talks
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  about a man who is sent by God to free over 400,000 slaves, and
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  as far as a New Testament, Jesus says you aren't to others.
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  Oh, oh, hold on. You made a positive service.
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  It happened because it was the occupation of Jewish people.
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  Am I able to finish my My point is.
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  False. But also if you look at
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  Leviticus, which is what Sydney is referencing, that outlines
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  the actual rules that you have to follow if you're going to own
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  a slave, which again, it doesn't say don't own a slave, it says
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  this is what you do when you own a slave, these.
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  Are the preferred ways in which you should own a slave, because
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  you should, apparently. OK, so you know, you guys are
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  making some good points, but as far as the New Testament goes,
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  you guys would have to agree on this that if you're doing on to
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  others, you want to be done under yourself and you're loving
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  people and you're loving your neighbor and loving your enemy,
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  you would not enslave them. That's, I mean, that's a simple
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  thing to do all. There gives you permission to
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  enslave them. Yeah, the slaves.
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  Are not. Considered your neighbor in the
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  Bible. That's not who they're talking
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  about. They're talking about people who
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  are your equals. They definitely had slaves that
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  did not have the same rights and freedoms as everybody else.
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  When they say love thy neighbor, they're talking about non
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  slaves. They're talking about people who
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  are equal in your community. I do not think that counts for
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  slaves. Yes, in the epistles, Paul does
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  not right Slave owners free your slaves.
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  He says Slaves obey your masters.
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  OK, the Jesus, like if we're just saying oh do unto others as
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  you should do unto yourself is the best form of morality.
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  OK, that's one thing. So we could talk about that, But
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  that's different from just saying the New Testament is
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  consistent in that idea because it's definitely.
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  Not, no, it's definitely not. Well, let's let's take history
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  for example. You mentioned slavery in the
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  United States of America. Now, if we really dwelled into
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  this, how did people get freed from slavery anyway?
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  It was the Christian community, the Christian citizens who
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  actually fought. You can't find me one single
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  atheist who actually fought against us.
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  You got Deist, you got Christians who actually you
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  can't. Find a Christian that that
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  supported slavery. You have Christians who actually
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  stopped slavery. It was Christians who actually
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  said we all come from God. We're all created equal that.
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  It was like, definitely OK by most Christians for a long time.
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  Yes, the American South, very Christian, very pro pro slavery
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  like that as a whole. Those things go hand in hand.
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  You do realize that there was a lot of Christians who were hung
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  alongside blacks for actually trying to free them even before
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  the war the. Christians that were doing the
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  hangings like you, you really are doing a chicken and egg
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  thing here. Okay, here's the chicken.
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  It's the Christian society, the Christian institutions that
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  allowed it. We didn't even allow women to
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  vote until the 1900s, Okay. And that's also because of
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  Christians, by the way. And it's because it was secular
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  forms of morality, humanism, that was influencing this stuff
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  more than anything, right? Humanism did not always exist in
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  society, but more, as humanism began to develop, as secular
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  forms of justice began to become widespread across the world,
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  that's when we actually saw the social changes.
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  It's not because people got to their senses and realized Oh
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  well, Christianity actually says this.
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  I'm sure some of them justified their anti slavery practices
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  through Christian. In fact I know that for a fact
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  because I've actually read about this subject.
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  But if you also read about this subject, you will see document
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  after document after document that outlines church sermons
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  that outlines people's public opinions at the time.
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  That said, yes, absolutely the owning of people is absolutely
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  OK by Christianity, 100% so. Historically, historically,
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  historically, again, it was OK. So historically, Christians are
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  actually the ones who broke the slavery, and that's the reason
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  why people are free today. But there wasn't any atheist
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  back then. He stood up or defended it.
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  Can you name at least three atheists who actually helped get
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  rid of slavery? Is this how you do people?
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  You just ran and ran and took those.
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  People over in the 1st place, right?
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  This was a mostly Christian society that were doing these
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  things. Slavery was just.
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  An atheist were doing it too. Legitimate practice and
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  Christianity as anything else. Atheists were doing it, too.
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  Because there are no against against slavery in the Bible.
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  There is absolutely zero none no supporting scripture that says
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  you shouldn't other you have to go out the back way around and
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  say, Oh well the Bible says we should treat others like we
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  should treat ourselves right and that and and then you can get to
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  that conclusion. But but the actual institution
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  of slavery is not prohibited in the Bible.
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  What it's. Not prohibited by atheism
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  either. You haven't been able to name
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  You haven't been able to name 3 atheists you've actually did.
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  Not watch the cold open. Brett, you were.
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  I'm sorry, Brett, I don't know who you did on what you did on
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  social media or whatever, but like, if you're going to be an
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  influencer, you have to know the literature you have.
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  To I guarantee that I know it more than both of you put
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  together. You mute people and you rant
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  over people and you don't let people who are actually
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  intelligent debate you're. Standing and also.
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  Just rant, rant, rant, mute, mute, mute you take.
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  This position. They've muted me.
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  I don't think. There's.
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  A way they're just ranting right over me.
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  Yes. You're muting me and you're
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  ranting over me. See, you don't even have enough
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  moral framework to listen to another person side of you.
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  You've proven my point. First of all Brett, I'm talking
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  to you right now on the show we're.
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  Live. You're a coward.
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  You're a coward. Why don't you come on my live
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  show? Why don't you come on my live
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  show and we'll see how things go.
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  Brett, Brett, I have listened. I know who you are.
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  I've listened to hours of your content, hours of your content.
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  I've listened to so much of your content that I recognize what
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  kind of conversation we were about to go into.
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  Because I remember you and I've watched your content and I've
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  listened to you ad nauseam. That's why I feel comfortable.
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  Being like oh. This is not going to go well
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  because I know exactly who you are.
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  Not going well for you because you have no moral framework.
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  I have listened to you so often that I don't even have to hear
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  what you're about to say in order to know what.
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  You're about, you're just going to speak?
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  For me, they're. Muting me the entire time
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  throughout the conversation, ladies and gentlemen, They have
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  no moral framework. They can't even have a
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  conversation. They just want to spell.
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  Because you. Like to hear?
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  Yourself live on air and you like to get people riled up, but
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  I remember you, Brett. And I know you too.
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  You have no moral framework. I've proved my point.
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  I had. Nauseam.
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  And I know how this conversation is going to go.
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  And that's why your group is a minority in this time.
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  And you? Won and you're probably.
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  Going to make a video about how you won and and you know, oh I.
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  Did I? Did the fact that you got to
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  meet me over and over and over and rant?
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  Over I know how to. Prove my point.
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  You're a coward if. That makes sense.
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  Yeah, it's cowardly to mute people like that and just rant
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  right over them. Have no moral framework, and
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  you've got no place to be able to tell us who's right and
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  wrong.