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Sharri | 21 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Why.
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Speaker 2: On Sky News This is.
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Speaker 3: Sharry Good Evening Tonight, Barnaby Joyce responds to allegations he
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Speaker 3: mistreated his dog. His exclusive comments coming up. But first,
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen today declared she's happy to work with opposition
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Speaker 3: leader Angus Taylor to get rid of the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 3: She also said she'd implement a Trump style plan to
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Speaker 3: kick out illegal migrants, and she vowed to ban Palestinian protesters,
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Speaker 3: and in her strongest comments yet, she told an audience
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Speaker 3: of business leaders and supporters that she was confident she
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Speaker 3: could do the job of Prime Minister.
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Speaker 4: If I was of in an a posision which could
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Speaker 4: happen at the next election, to take on the position
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Speaker 4: of being promised to this country, I could do it.
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Speaker 5: I have no doubt about that.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen has been asked repeatedly if she aspires to
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Speaker 3: the top job. It clearly hasn't been her ambition throughout
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Speaker 3: her political career, but now with her rise in the polls,
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Speaker 3: she's obviously starting to consider it and her confidence is growing.
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Speaker 5: But it's not smooth sailing.
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Speaker 3: Pauline is under more scrutiny than ever before, and she's
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Speaker 3: being pressed on her policies, the detail and the cost
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Speaker 3: and her comments are being tested.
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Speaker 5: She is being held to account and Hanson.
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Speaker 3: Was interrogated today on her immigration policy and she spoke
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Speaker 3: about her admiration for President Donald Trump's crackdown on illegal migrants.
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Speaker 4: Trump's did, Okay, all those in the country, I'll actually
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Speaker 4: give you one way ticket out of the country, and
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Speaker 4: he said, then you can apply to come back in
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Speaker 4: some time later. But if you don't go, he said,
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Speaker 4: and we find you, you'll never get in the country again.
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Speaker 4: Over two million took that one way ticket and six
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Speaker 4: hundred thousand lay had round up. Fine. I think that's
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Speaker 4: a great way of doing it.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson also insisted immigration should be banned from certain
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Speaker 3: Islamic countries. This is another policy very similar to President Trump's.
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Speaker 3: She was questioned on whether this amounted to in effect
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Speaker 3: a wide Australia policy, and it was a proposition she
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Speaker 3: firmly rejected, and she even lectured the interviewer, editor Chris daw.
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Speaker 6: You subsequently said you don't support the wide Australia policy.
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Speaker 4: Let's get back to the question that was from Tommy
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Speaker 4: Robertson to ask me a question, do you know exactly
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Speaker 4: what he said to me. He asked you about hell,
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Speaker 4: That's what he asked me. When did it change? And
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Speaker 4: I said, well, that changed in nineteen seventy three when
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Speaker 4: God freaking came and he changed the White Australia policy.
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Speaker 4: But it's not to do with the White Australia policy
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Speaker 4: at all. So don't go there with me, I tell
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Speaker 4: you what, because I won't stand for it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, tough crowd.
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Speaker 3: But Pauline Hansen then went even further and she spoke
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Speaker 3: about who she didn't want in Australia.
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Speaker 4: And I'm sorry to say this, but I don't want
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Speaker 4: people come into this country from radical Islamic countries. I
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Speaker 4: don't want that here. I want to protect the Australian people.
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Speaker 4: I want them to feel safe in the streets. I
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Speaker 4: don't want to see this anti Semitism that's going on.
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Speaker 4: I don't want to see the hatred that's happening.
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Speaker 3: And she was very hardline on the pro Palestinian protesters,
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Speaker 3: saying that she'd never have allowed it, and that comment
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Speaker 3: was met as you're here now with enormous cheers.
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Speaker 4: You see, I would never have allowed those protest marches
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Speaker 4: with Palestinian flag in our country. You want to go
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Speaker 4: and protest, go over to Palestine. Protest over there, not
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Speaker 4: on our streets.
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Speaker 3: And it comes as Foreign Minister Pennywong just today announced
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Speaker 3: another fifteen million dollars for Palestinian recovery, which takes the
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Speaker 3: total taxpayer funding from the Albanzy government to the Palestinian
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Speaker 3: territories to eighty million dollars.
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Speaker 5: And as far as I'm aware, not.
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Speaker 3: A cent has been provided to Israel, but eighty million
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Speaker 3: for the Palestinians. But back to Pauline Hansen, and today
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Speaker 3: she indicated she would strip foreign aid.
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Speaker 4: Would I give six hundred million to Peppi in New
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Speaker 4: Guinea for the footy teen?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 4: Around the wide world? All this sudden money that we're
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Speaker 4: given away, fifty million to Afghanistan, you wouldn't get it
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Speaker 4: from me.
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Speaker 3: It's this sort of straight talk that's cutting through with voters,
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Speaker 3: and it's why she's well above the coalition in the polls. Now,
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Speaker 3: senior liberals keep criticizing her, but Hansen today was quite magnanimous.
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Speaker 3: She said she'd be happy to form an alliance of
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Speaker 3: swords with Angus Taylor if it meant kicking the Albanezy
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Speaker 3: government out of office.
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Speaker 4: I'm very happy to work for the Coalition government, the
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Speaker 4: LIPS and the National Party to join forces if we
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Speaker 4: have to to get rid of the Labor Queen's government.
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Speaker 3: As we've spoken about at length, the idea does make
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Speaker 3: sense because one nation is sitting on thirty percent of
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Speaker 3: the primary vote and the coalition on just nineteen percent. Combined,
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Speaker 3: that is around fifty percent of the primary vote, which
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Speaker 3: could have a.
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Speaker 5: Chance at being competitive.
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Speaker 3: But Angus Taylor this morning rejected the idea of an
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Speaker 3: alliance in South Australia at least outright.
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Speaker 8: That won't be happening. That will not be happening.
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Speaker 6: Assure you of that.
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Speaker 8: So the Liberal Party is strong in South Australia and
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Speaker 8: will remain strong in South Australia and there won't be
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Speaker 8: any kind of murder or coalition.
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Speaker 3: Look, many privately believe that it's time for the Coalition
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Speaker 3: to stop ruling out an alliance with one nation unless
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Speaker 3: they'd like to remain on the opposition back backbenches indefinitely now.
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Speaker 3: Pauline also today, in that interview with Chris Dare, opened
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Speaker 3: up about her much scrutinized friendship with billionaire Gina Reinhart,
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Speaker 3: but she refused to say whether she paid for her
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Speaker 3: Italy trip. She did say there was no taxpayer funding,
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Speaker 3: and she was questioned on why there was so much
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Speaker 3: focus on her relationship with Reinhart. Pauline made the point
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Speaker 3: that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanizi is friends with many billionaires.
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Speaker 4: Well, I wish that question Albanese's friendship with them, pratt
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Speaker 4: and twigged fast. And then you've got he went to
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Speaker 4: Karl Sandlin's wedding, you know, all these things that he does.
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Speaker 4: No one else gets a question like I do.
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Speaker 3: Look, she had it herself very well today under that scrutiny.
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Speaker 3: But the heat is clearly affecting Pauline Hanson and her
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Speaker 3: deputy Barnaby Joyce, as shown by the way he snapped
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Speaker 3: at his dog during a high pressure interview. But this
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Speaker 3: is only just the start of the scrutiny. With Hanson
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Speaker 3: on par with alban EASi in the polls, she'll now
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Speaker 3: start to be closely monitored in precisely the same way.
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Speaker 3: Already her words are being analyzed and she's being accused
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Speaker 3: of being economical with the truth.
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Speaker 5: Pauline Hanson told Seventh.
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Speaker 3: Spotlight that she'd never missed a sitting day of parliament.
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Speaker 2: In an extended interview shown here for the first time,
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Speaker 2: boasting about not doing part of her job.
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Speaker 6: Your Senate estimate hearings record is the worst.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's terrible.
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Speaker 2: I don't turn up, claiming committees which take evidence on
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Speaker 2: the detail of legislation and the budget aren't worth her time,
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Speaker 2: but insisting she never misses a day in the Senate chamber.
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Speaker 4: I'm their parliament every time when parliament's sitting. Yes, I
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Speaker 4: am there when you're passing legislation.
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Speaker 5: I'm there every day.
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Speaker 2: But official parliamentary record shows she's not far from it.
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Speaker 2: Since entering the Senate in twenty sixteen, she's missed seventy
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Speaker 2: six sitting days, sixty of them without leave, including an
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Speaker 2: entire two weeks sitting in October and November when she
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Speaker 2: joined mining billionaire Gina Reinhardt on her private jet to
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's marri Lago estate for a Conservative conference, skipping
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Speaker 2: eight sitting days and ninety six votes on twenty two
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Speaker 2: pieces of legislation. She's missed the equivalent of one full
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Speaker 2: year of parliamentary sittings in the decade since joining the Senate,
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Speaker 2: and she skipped more than two thousand votes.
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Speaker 5: Okay, so as you heard there.
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Speaker 3: According to seven's political editor Mark Riley, Pauline Hansen has
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Speaker 3: missed one full year of parliamentary sittings after saying that she'd.
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Speaker 5: Never missed a day. Well, all of this.
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Speaker 3: Intense scrutiny is pretty new to Pauline Hanson and she
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Speaker 3: will have to be far more careful with her language
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Speaker 3: because the reason voters are turning to her in droves
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Speaker 3: is for her authenticity, because they trust her. Voters hate
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Speaker 3: being misled. It's why Australians have walked away from Alvin Easy.
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Speaker 3: For years, Pauline Hansen has enjoyed the outsiders freedom to
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Speaker 3: say anything she likes without being tested, but those days
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Speaker 3: are over. The scrutiny she's facing now is the price
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Speaker 3: of being taken seriously, and it is a sign of
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Speaker 3: just how far she's come. Okay, let's turn now to
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Speaker 3: Chris Bowen es splurging millions of taxpayer dollars to impress
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Speaker 3: his buddies at a pre meeting in Fiji for the
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Speaker 3: upcoming COP thirty one summit.
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Speaker 5: Over four point two.
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Speaker 3: Million dollars will reportedly be forked out just to lock
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Speaker 3: in accommodation costs for the delegates at Fiji luxury resorts
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Speaker 3: and rooms alone are said to be costing between one thousand,
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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirteen hundred a night per person. And
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Speaker 3: this is an issue because Australians are struggling with the
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Speaker 3: cost of living and high inflation. And now to discuss
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Speaker 3: joining me former Labor State Secretary Karen Milner and chief
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Speaker 3: economist at the Institute of Public Affairs Adam Crichton. Great
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Speaker 3: to see you both, well, Adam, I mean, this money
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Speaker 3: is already it's on top of the fact that KOP
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Speaker 3: is already costing taxpayers one hundred and fifty million dollars.
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Speaker 3: Now this extra four million, and people, many families can
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Speaker 3: barely afford to put food on the table.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 10: Personally, I think the Labor Party would be thanking it's
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Speaker 10: lucky stars that it's not actually hosting this meeting in Australia.
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Speaker 10: So Chris Bowen has the presidency, but it's being held
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Speaker 10: in Turkey because people just don't care enough about net
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Speaker 10: zero anymore. And you know, four point two million for
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Speaker 10: five star hotels for foreigners, not even Australian politicians, is
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Speaker 10: just extraordinary and Sadly, this story is not getting as
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Speaker 10: much attention as the so called scandal with Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 10: holiday with Jinna Reinhardt, which of course costs absolutely nothing
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Speaker 10: for the taxpayer. So this is the real scandal, you know,
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Speaker 10: snouts in the trough. So I think this will come
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Speaker 10: back to buy it the labor government.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's also being spent on a climate conference
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Speaker 3: when people are more worried about how they're going to
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Speaker 3: pay their bills. I mean, Cameron, I know you often
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Speaker 3: defend your buddy Chris Bowen, but you'd have to agree
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Speaker 3: that voters would think this is outrageous and out of touch.
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Speaker 11: Well, I don't think so. I think, you know, we
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Speaker 11: have to be involved in the climate debate. We're actually
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Speaker 11: a country which can actually be heavily affected by the
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Speaker 11: climate change and that's why as a host nation, which
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Speaker 11: we are jointly with Turk we're joint hosts, we're going
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Speaker 11: to spend money, and we're going to spend money being
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Speaker 11: a host actually having these conversations before we go to
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Speaker 11: the conference in August. So no, I think this is
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Speaker 11: money well spent. This is money we're going to have
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Speaker 11: to spend as a host nation. And to your point,
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Speaker 11: Adam Ian, we were probably in for three hundred million,
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Speaker 11: fifty million potentially as a host nation had it gone
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Speaker 11: to Adelaide, but obviously split the cost as a co host.
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Speaker 11: And this is simply the cost of the business of
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Speaker 11: being a host for COP.
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Speaker 3: Well, Australia didn't have to be a host for COP
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Speaker 3: it was just that Chris Bowen was desperate for the
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Speaker 3: title of presidency, was desperate for the prestige. But Adam,
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Speaker 3: you know, what's your response there to Cameron saying this
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Speaker 3: is money well spent.
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Speaker 10: Well, look, I just don't think it is. I think
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Speaker 10: that's a bit of a laughable statement. Most people would
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Speaker 10: think it's not money well spent. It's just a reminder
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Speaker 10: that federal government they're so vast spending eight hundred and
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Speaker 10: twenty billion dollars every year that each dollar is somewhat
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Speaker 10: meaningless when it's spent, and you just get this sort
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Speaker 10: of extraordinary waste which most people would be shocked at if.
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Speaker 6: They knew about.
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Speaker 10: I mean, I briefly worked in governor and opposition and
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Speaker 10: I was shocked when I worked there what money was
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Speaker 10: spent on. And you know, I'm sure it's a lot
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Speaker 10: worse then, because the amount of spending back then was
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Speaker 10: half what it is now.
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Speaker 5: But Adam, this spending of cost contributes to inflation.
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Speaker 10: Yes, it certainly does. And we have the highest core
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Speaker 10: inflation rate in the Western world, which is extremely embarrassing
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Speaker 10: three point six percent, three point eight percent and rising.
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Speaker 10: You know, that's a serious problem that's been always people
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Speaker 10: out there on low wages four percent of of their
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Speaker 10: wage every year is shrinking in value.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Cameron, you'd have to admit, even if you
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Speaker 3: personally think this is a good idea, you'd have to
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Speaker 3: admit that the average Australian would be pretty angry at this.
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Speaker 11: Well, I think it's all it's all proportions, and I mean,
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Speaker 11: you know, you know, there's a lot of government expenditure that,
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Speaker 11: to Adam's point, I think we can all agree, is wasteful.
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Speaker 11: You know, there's a huge care economy, age care, childcare,
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Speaker 11: ndis massive, massive billions of dollars being spent there. But
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Speaker 11: as I say, I mean we chose as a nation
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Speaker 11: to be a co host. This is a reasonably modest
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Speaker 11: budget in terms of what it was otherwise going to
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Speaker 11: cost us as a nation to do it. In total,
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Speaker 11: Turk is bearing probably more than half being actually the
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Speaker 11: physical host nation. And so look, if we want to
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Speaker 11: be involved in the climate change debate, we want to
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Speaker 11: be a host nation, which I think we should be
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Speaker 11: because we should ever see at the table, it's going
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Speaker 11: to cost some money to be invested into that process.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's move on.
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Speaker 7: Now.
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Speaker 3: Former RBA governor Philip Lowe has warned that interest rates
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Speaker 3: are likely to remain higher for longer. Philip Lowe said
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Speaker 3: that inflation has been too high for too long. We've
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Speaker 3: got this structural element coming from unit labor costs, and
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Speaker 3: now he says, we've got this cyclical element coming from
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Speaker 3: the oil shock. So he says it's understandable that the
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Speaker 3: bank will have to keep interest rates relatively high for
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Speaker 3: a fairly long period of time. Now, Adam Philip low
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Speaker 3: has been very critical of the Albanezy government's handling of
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Speaker 3: the economy since he left. You know, quite extraordinary in
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Speaker 3: a sense to know what he really thinks of the government,
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Speaker 3: seeing as he stood there alongside them, you know, for
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Speaker 3: so long, for the time that he was IBA governor.
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Speaker 5: But in that statement.
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Speaker 3: He's very specifically not only blaming the Iran war.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, fill those unusual because most former governors don't really
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Speaker 10: say anything. But he has certainly said a few things
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Speaker 10: since he's retired, and they have indeed been very critical
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Speaker 10: of the government. He's said things that I agree with.
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Speaker 10: I mean, just as I said earlier, we have the
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Speaker 10: highest core inflation rate in the world. We've had five
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Speaker 10: years I believe, of folding real wages. Household income has
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Speaker 10: also been falling. We've basically had the worst economic performance
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Speaker 10: in the OECD. We're the only country I think where
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Speaker 10: the inflation rate's going up. There's a twenty percent chance
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Speaker 10: that next month the RBA will put up the interest rates.
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Speaker 10: That's going to be more pain I think you're going
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Speaker 10: to see a big fall in house prices. You can
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Speaker 10: say that's good or depending on what position you're in,
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Speaker 10: but I think the country's not being well managed. We've
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Speaker 10: had the fastest increase in the size of the federal governments.
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Speaker 10: It's the Whitler mirror, and it's going to be faster
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Speaker 10: still if we don't cut spending on NDIS, which I
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Speaker 10: seriously don't think we will and Cameron.
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Speaker 3: Even the current IBA governor, Michelle Bullock, says that inflation
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Speaker 3: was too high before the Iran War, we were in
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Speaker 3: a worse position than most other countries.
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Speaker 11: Well, it's true, and I think that's what's often forgotten.
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Speaker 11: I mean, the government wants to have amnesia before the
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Speaker 11: Iran conflict. But no, we had it run away inflation,
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Speaker 11: which was, to your point, Adam, different from the rest
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Speaker 11: of the world. The rest of the world had started
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Speaker 11: to contain it, we still had out of control inflationory
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Speaker 11: pressures in our economy because we haven't got productivity right,
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Speaker 11: We've got out of control government spending, out of control
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Speaker 11: taxation and lacks and lazy productivity our country. That's fundamentally
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Speaker 11: our problem is a nation. I mean, we aren't punching
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Speaker 11: above the way we used to, and we have got
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Speaker 11: domestic inflation that is caused by government policy and government
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Speaker 11: settings and the inability of the government to actually so.
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Speaker 11: Interest rates are going to be higher for longer in
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Speaker 11: Australia because the government's been weaker for longer fighting the
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Speaker 11: Really fundamentally, she's here in Australia.
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Speaker 5: All right, let's come back to the story of the moment.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson, of course, fascinating leaked to emails today. Now, Pauline,
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Speaker 3: as you know has come under fire for meeting with
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Speaker 3: controversial far right figure Tommy Robinson. I mean he cost
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Speaker 3: Cars Stefanovic's job. But now there's controversy over who actually
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Speaker 3: organized Pauline's podcast interview with Tommy Robinson. Now it seemed
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Speaker 3: if you were watching seven Spotlight program, it seemed like
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson or her team had organized it because Liam
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Speaker 3: Bartlett was pretty tough on her about her decision to
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Speaker 3: meet with him.
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Speaker 10: Do you think being associated with a person like you
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Speaker 10: is a disadvantage for her electoral success or otherwise need
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Speaker 10: to be?
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Speaker 3: And he grilled Pauline during Spotlight as well about her
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Speaker 3: decision to do the interview with Tommy Robinson. But then
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Speaker 3: Pauline's chief of staff, James Ashby, has a Q seven
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Speaker 3: of setting up the meeting.
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Speaker 5: And here's what Ashby told paul.
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Speaker 12: Murray, I could send you the itinery for the trip.
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Speaker 12: It didn't include Tommy. When Nigel Farage stepped down, there
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Speaker 12: was a moment there where the producer Luke Mortimer was
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Speaker 12: quite concerned that the whole trip was wasted because Nigel
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Speaker 12: obviously stepped back into campaign mode and canceled his meeting.
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Speaker 12: And then the suggestion came from Channel seven, who I
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Speaker 12: had given the contact of Tommy Robinson too. They lined
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Speaker 12: it all up, they paid for the studio.
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Speaker 3: So he said there the suggestion came from Channel seven.
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Speaker 3: Now Channel seven denies this. They've told news dot com
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Speaker 3: do AU that that decision was made by One Nation
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Speaker 3: and despite Barnaby Joseph suggestions, her podcast recording with Robinson
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Speaker 3: was organized before the Spotlight crew knew about it, So
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Speaker 3: Adamo a bit of tit for tat here, but leaked
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Speaker 3: emails as well. One Nation has put out and One
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Speaker 3: Nation has now called the program a stitch up.
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Speaker 5: Pauline wasn't happy with.
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Speaker 3: It, but look it has set the agenda the whole week.
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Speaker 3: So it's good publicity for her, isn't it.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, certainly, that's what I think. Look, I don't think
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Speaker 10: it matters whether she met him or not. I mean,
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Speaker 10: the fact is he's a politically very powerful person in
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Speaker 10: the UK, has a lot of support. I mean, I'm
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Speaker 10: no fan of him, but most you know, most Australians
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Speaker 10: won't even know who he is. So I mean I
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Speaker 10: think this will just you know, by this time next week,
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Speaker 10: no one will.
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Speaker 6: Be talking about this.
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Speaker 10: I don't think it really matters much for Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 10: People are going to like her regardless of whether she
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Speaker 10: met Tommy Robinson. You know, he has been convicted of crimes.
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Speaker 10: I think he's done time in jail. He's a pretty
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Speaker 10: unsavory character. But you know, I'm sure if you trawl
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Speaker 10: through the history of Australian politics, you'll find people that
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Speaker 10: have gone to jail, were not gone to jail. Who
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Speaker 10: Australian MPs have, You know that they're associated with it,
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Speaker 10: They've married or whatever, and then they've been accepted back
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Speaker 10: into society again.
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Speaker 6: So you know, we don't be too hypocritical.
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Speaker 10: But my main point is it's not going to affect her.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think if it affects her, it just gives
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Speaker 3: her more publicity. It's positive for her all of this.
20:08
Speaker 3: But Cameron, what do you think. You're a very experienced,
20:12
Speaker 3: well respected labor operative. I mean, Pauline is far from
20:16
Speaker 3: the most articulate or polish politicians politician, not even the smartest.
20:20
Speaker 3: So what is it that's really appealing and cutting through
20:24
Speaker 3: to voters.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's authenticity.
20:28
Speaker 11: It's authenticity in the moment where you've got a stuffed
20:31
Speaker 11: shirt tof running the Liberal Party and an absolute liar
20:34
Speaker 11: running the Labor Party. I mean that's a choice that
20:36
Speaker 11: the Australian voters have got at the moment. Between those two,
20:39
Speaker 11: You're going to pick someone with authenticity, and I think
20:42
Speaker 11: that's the thing that's cutting through to your point in the editorial,
20:44
Speaker 11: I mean she's going to be on a lot more
20:45
Speaker 11: scrutiny around policy and politics and a position like the
20:47
Speaker 11: Robinson stuff. I think it's a bit messy today with
20:49
Speaker 11: the back and forth the Channel seven. They've got to
20:52
Speaker 11: get their processes better. But to your point, I'll think
20:54
Speaker 11: a lot of people, a lot of voters won't know
20:56
Speaker 11: who Tony Robinson is, won't care about it, but they're
20:58
Speaker 11: looking for genuine choice and she's offering it. And I
21:01
Speaker 11: like the fact that she speaks straight down the battle
21:03
Speaker 11: of a camera and she says things that they think.
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Speaker 3: And Cameron, you think she's here to stay as the
21:09
Speaker 3: more dominant force rather than the coalition until the next election.
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Speaker 11: I think I certainly feel that way, and certainly if
21:17
Speaker 11: you look at the UK experience, you know we're reformed.
21:20
Speaker 11: Despite a couple of things, has stayed well ahead of
21:22
Speaker 11: the Conservatives in terms of the politics over there are
21:25
Speaker 11: the same way. The Marga movement is well ahead of
21:27
Speaker 11: the Republicans in the US as well. I think these
21:29
Speaker 11: populist write votes actually stay with the leaders and stay
21:32
Speaker 11: with the people who are leading those groups, like Paul
21:34
Speaker 11: Enwell in Australia, rather than traditional sort of tweedled the
21:37
Speaker 11: and tweedled dum that we've seen from the traditional political parties.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
21:41
Speaker 3: So it's that appeal of a popular or charismatic leader
21:45
Speaker 3: who has cut through, rather than that the actual party
21:48
Speaker 3: where the memberships are falling. All right, Camera Milder Adam Quaeton.
21:51
Speaker 3: Great to see you both, Thank you, right. Turning to
21:54
Speaker 3: other news now, Angus Taylor has launched a scathing attack
21:58
Speaker 3: against the magistrate who gave to an Isis bride accused
22:02
Speaker 3: of terror chargers. He says this decision fails the security test,
22:07
Speaker 3: the values test, the fanness test, and the pub test.
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Speaker 3: And as we spoke about last night, this is allegedly
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Speaker 3: a woman an Isis bride, who allegedly filmed herself teaching
22:18
Speaker 3: children about violent gearhad and joining me to discuss his
22:22
Speaker 3: shadow Assistant Minister for International Development, Dave Sharma, Dave, great
22:26
Speaker 3: to have you on the show again.
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Speaker 9: Nood Evening Show.
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Speaker 5: What's your view on.
22:31
Speaker 3: This decision for this Isis Bride to be granted bail
22:34
Speaker 3: and others like.
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Speaker 9: Her, well look first and foremost, I think this failing
22:39
Speaker 9: is one of the governments. I mean, they had various options,
22:43
Speaker 9: including to deny these people a passport, to institute control
22:48
Speaker 9: orders on their return, to prevent them from returning, or
22:51
Speaker 9: not at least facilitate their return. They haven't done that.
22:54
Speaker 9: And what we have learned about a number of these
22:57
Speaker 9: people on their return to Australia is there still deeply
23:01
Speaker 9: attached to their radical worldview which took them over to
23:06
Speaker 9: fight and join the Caliphate in the first place. They
23:08
Speaker 9: are not reformed, they are not rehabilitated. They abandoned any
23:13
Speaker 9: loyalties to Australia when they left over a decade ago.
23:16
Speaker 9: These people should not be our concern now and I
23:18
Speaker 9: think the Labor government welcoming them back in and facilitating
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Speaker 9: their return despite their denials otherwise has been a gross
23:24
Speaker 9: disservice to Australia's national security.
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Speaker 3: I mean, clearly there was a lot of concern in
23:29
Speaker 3: the Australian public about this issue, the return of the
23:32
Speaker 3: Isis Brides. It's part of the reason. You know, we've
23:35
Speaker 3: just been speaking about Pauline Hanson cutting.
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Speaker 5: Through with voters. She spoke today and has done in.
23:40
Speaker 3: Recent times about banning immigration from radical Islamic countries. I mean,
23:47
Speaker 3: do you think that is a serious proposition.
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Speaker 9: Look, I don't think we should be banning people on
23:54
Speaker 9: the basis of their country of origin, or their religion
23:57
Speaker 9: or their faith. But I think we should be applying
23:59
Speaker 9: a tough character tests. And that's you know what Angus
24:02
Speaker 9: Taylor is outline as the Liberal Party that it shouldn't
24:05
Speaker 9: matter which country you come from. If you don't subscribe
24:07
Speaker 9: to Australian values, if you can't support Australian values, if
24:10
Speaker 9: you actively work to undermine Australian values, you shouldn't be
24:13
Speaker 9: given a visa to went to Australia, and you certainly
24:15
Speaker 9: shouldn't be granted citizenship of Australia. I think that those
24:18
Speaker 9: tests and those thresholds need to be more strictly enforced
24:22
Speaker 9: and need to be more purposefully articulated.
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Speaker 5: Is it always.
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Speaker 3: Possible, though, to check whether someone does subscribe to Australian values?
24:31
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember I got a leaked list of
24:33
Speaker 3: one hundred or so of the Gaza intake.
24:36
Speaker 5: And when I went and.
24:37
Speaker 3: Researched every person, a lot of them had deleted their
24:40
Speaker 3: social media accounts, you know, deleted or and I managed
24:44
Speaker 3: to track down where they'd forgotten to delete the like
24:47
Speaker 3: folder for example, and I could see they had liked
24:50
Speaker 3: posts from October eight for example. This is just a
24:53
Speaker 3: specific example, but my point is it is very difficult,
24:56
Speaker 3: isn't it to ascertain the views that someone holds?
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Speaker 8: Well?
25:01
Speaker 9: Look, I mean obviously you can't determine someone's state of mind, mind,
25:05
Speaker 9: but you can infer it. And I mean the sort
25:07
Speaker 9: of you know, investigative work that you did, and I
25:09
Speaker 9: was thinking of exactly that example is completely open to
25:13
Speaker 9: Australia's security and immigration agencies to do so. You know,
25:16
Speaker 9: are you going to be able to do it with
25:17
Speaker 9: one hundred percent confidence? No, but that is not an
25:19
Speaker 9: argument for not putting in any effort whatsoever. And the
25:22
Speaker 9: fact that you know, you, perhaps it was just you,
25:25
Speaker 9: maybe you had a staff member assisting you with a
25:27
Speaker 9: couple of hours, could research the social media profiles of
25:30
Speaker 9: a large number of these people and find some things
25:33
Speaker 9: that are of concern. That's what our security and border
25:36
Speaker 9: agencies should be doing as a matter of course, not
25:38
Speaker 9: just asking someone to tick a box and say do
25:40
Speaker 9: you support Australian values. Well, of course we know what
25:42
Speaker 9: the answer is going to be, to actually test and
25:44
Speaker 9: probe how sincerely that belief is held.
25:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a couple of the digital guys come
25:50
Speaker 3: help me go through, but it was difficult, Dave. I'm
25:54
Speaker 3: also keen to hear your thoughts and the division between
25:57
Speaker 3: your colleague Alexandtik and your leader and as Taylor now
26:01
Speaker 3: and it suggested that the Coalition and One Nation should
26:05
Speaker 3: unite in South Australia, and of course Angus Taylor has
26:08
Speaker 3: rejected that idea already played his comments on the show.
26:11
Speaker 3: But do you think we are getting to the point
26:13
Speaker 3: where the Coalition will need to form an alliance with
26:16
Speaker 3: One Nation to survive or to get back into government.
26:22
Speaker 9: No, I don't, and I think, frankly speaking, it's harmful
26:27
Speaker 9: to our own prospects to go out there publicly speculating
26:30
Speaker 9: about these sorts of things. It suggests that we're trying
26:33
Speaker 9: to negotiate from a position of weakness, it suggests that
26:35
Speaker 9: we don't have confidence in our own political prospects, and
26:38
Speaker 9: I think all it does is we can our political prospects.
26:41
Speaker 9: So I think this sort of speculation conducted on the opening,
26:46
Speaker 9: I think.
26:47
Speaker 3: We might be having tech issues. I'm not sure if
26:49
Speaker 3: we're losing you there, Dave. I think we as Dave
26:53
Speaker 3: gone before I here he's gone. I wanted to ask
26:55
Speaker 3: him about the Labor National Party policy platform because it
27:00
Speaker 3: has become very anti Israel yet again. But Alas, I'll
27:05
Speaker 3: talk about that a bit later in the show. All Right,
27:07
Speaker 3: still to come the story of the day Barnaby snapping
27:11
Speaker 3: at his dog. Now I've got an exclusive. After the break,
27:13
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you what Barnaby's response is to
27:18
Speaker 3: the allegations that he mistreated his dog. This is an exclusive,
27:23
Speaker 3: plus the new southe was Premier. Chris Mins will be
27:25
Speaker 3: under pressure over the Daily Telegraphs front page tomorrow. The editor,
27:29
Speaker 3: Ben English would join me after the break. Welcome back, Okay,
27:36
Speaker 3: we are going to get Barnaby Joyce's first response to
27:40
Speaker 3: how he snapped at his dog mid interview with Sarah
27:43
Speaker 3: Ferguson on the ABC. Just to recap, because you can't
27:47
Speaker 3: watch it enough times, Here's what he said.
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Speaker 13: It seems to me, Barnaby Joyce, that your decision to
27:53
Speaker 13: defect to one nation is dragging you further into a
27:56
Speaker 13: place of intolerance and racial discrimination. You're defending your leader,
28:02
Speaker 13: but are you really comfortable with where she is taking you?
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Speaker 1: I think, sorry, it's a dog. I think that it
28:15
Speaker 1: is incredibly important. We see that the Astrange people also
28:19
Speaker 1: also have changed their view.
28:22
Speaker 3: And then there was another interaction as well where he
28:25
Speaker 3: called Sarah Ferguson rude. I'm joined now by the Daily
28:27
Speaker 3: Telegraph editor Ben English. Now Ben Barnaby Joyce rang your journals.
28:34
Speaker 6: Today, he did, We've got a We've got a national
28:37
Speaker 6: scoop here, and I'll give you the quotes. So asked
28:40
Speaker 6: about that, you know how things were with the dog?
28:43
Speaker 6: He said, I love the dog before, I love the
28:45
Speaker 6: dog after the dog loves me. The relationship is fine.
28:49
Speaker 6: Relationship with the ABC not so good.
28:52
Speaker 5: So that I love the dog, the dog loves me. Yea,
28:55
Speaker 5: all goods. Good with the dog.
28:57
Speaker 6: Ah, good with the dog. He goes on. He says,
28:59
Speaker 6: it's a farm dog. Pop don't understand that it's not
29:00
Speaker 6: a chihuahua from anandale. And it just goes on from there.
29:03
Speaker 5: No tell us the quote. So he's saying that is
29:05
Speaker 5: how you speak to a farm dog.
29:07
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he also had a crack at well it
29:10
Speaker 6: was basically Angas Tayley. He said, look, what can I say?
29:12
Speaker 6: I have a dog that's got more political coverage than
29:15
Speaker 6: any politicians this week. People are trying to psychoanalyze me
29:18
Speaker 6: based on my relationship with a staff. He bought a
29:20
Speaker 6: Colie cross. That's getting a bit desperate.
29:24
Speaker 3: So Barnaby Joyce rejecting the accusations that he mistreated his
29:28
Speaker 3: dog and says he.
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Speaker 5: Loves the dog, the dog loves him.
29:32
Speaker 3: People don't understand that's how you speak to a farm
29:34
Speaker 3: a farm dog, a cattle dog.
29:36
Speaker 6: Look, to be fair, it is a different relationship when
29:39
Speaker 6: you have a working dog. I mean I'm obviously not
29:41
Speaker 6: a farmer, but I do know a few and they
29:43
Speaker 6: say that it's a completely different.
29:44
Speaker 5: And he's given you a picture of the dog.
29:46
Speaker 6: Yeah, we've got a beautiful picture of Stella.
29:48
Speaker 5: Yeah. Did you want to hold it to the screen
29:49
Speaker 5: and maybe we can.
29:50
Speaker 3: Some issues show that there you go, adorable Stella. So look,
29:55
Speaker 3: I have never owned a dog and so so to
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Speaker 3: me when I heard that, that did seem very aggressive.
30:03
Speaker 5: You wouldn't speak to a child like that. It seemed
30:05
Speaker 5: very aggressive. I was surprised.
30:07
Speaker 6: No, it's not great.
30:09
Speaker 3: But you're saying to me that it's different with a
30:12
Speaker 3: cattle dog.
30:13
Speaker 6: Yeah, well I've got a cattle dog, which is probably
30:16
Speaker 6: sometimes more aggressive than a staffy. And I have been
30:19
Speaker 6: known to probably talk in similar.
30:22
Speaker 5: Terms, yeah, saying sit down.
30:25
Speaker 6: Well I might have said that, probably in similar I.
30:28
Speaker 3: Can't imagine that, Ben, it seems so gentle have your moments.
30:32
Speaker 5: I mean, you were my editor for a while.
30:34
Speaker 3: You never spoke to any of the staff like that,
30:36
Speaker 3: never saw you lose your temper.
30:38
Speaker 6: You're a terrier of a reporter, but you're much gentler
30:40
Speaker 6: than than dogs.
30:43
Speaker 3: But I mean his point about Angus Taylor not getting
30:48
Speaker 3: as much coverage as him. I mean, this story has
30:51
Speaker 3: been everywhere today. You know, I woke up this morning,
30:53
Speaker 3: put on Sky, put on Sunrise. It was all everyone
30:56
Speaker 3: was talking about the Barnaby's dog.
30:58
Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: And it's what encapsulates the whole political dynamic at the
31:02
Speaker 6: moment that the and there's a more serious point here.
31:06
Speaker 6: The Liberal Party cannot get any clean air. And it's
31:09
Speaker 6: a diabolical dilemma for them because they're trying to be
31:12
Speaker 6: the grown ups. They're trying to be you know, have
31:15
Speaker 6: a sort of a reasonable approach to being in opposition.
31:19
Speaker 6: But they're not getting any clean air because Pauline is
31:22
Speaker 6: more agile. So it's Barnaby, like you said in your opening,
31:27
Speaker 6: they're basically acting on instinct and she's been basically saying
31:33
Speaker 6: the same things for thirty years, so she's match fit.
31:37
Speaker 6: I don't think Liberal Party really know what they want
31:39
Speaker 6: to say at the moment, and so they can't cut through.
31:41
Speaker 5: I think that's such an important point.
31:43
Speaker 3: She has stayed on message, true to herself. That's where
31:46
Speaker 3: that authenticity comes from her entire career. I mean, you
31:50
Speaker 3: know a lot of people think it's racist, whatever it is,
31:53
Speaker 3: it's her, that is what she has believed in. And
31:55
Speaker 3: the Liberal policies have changed so extensively that after the
31:59
Speaker 3: last selection was and Lee, they.
32:00
Speaker 5: Went back to the drawing board. They didn't know what
32:02
Speaker 5: they stood for.
32:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, and they've been paralyzed. I mean they're in a
32:04
Speaker 6: state of paralysis at the moment. And I think you
32:08
Speaker 6: went out into the street today, you wouldn't know what
32:11
Speaker 6: Angus Tyler stood for. If you if you ask one
32:13
Speaker 6: hundred people, they wouldn't be able to tell you. What
32:15
Speaker 6: they stand for.
32:16
Speaker 3: All right, I want to talk about the story you
32:17
Speaker 3: had in the front page today about quite a shocking
32:21
Speaker 3: story really that major energy networks are looking to add
32:25
Speaker 3: the cost of these electric vehicle charges, that they're rolling
32:28
Speaker 3: it out to all power bills, all households, irrespective of
32:34
Speaker 3: whether or not you have an electric vehicle.
32:36
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:36
Speaker 6: I mean this encapsulates the entire economic model for the
32:40
Speaker 6: renewable revolution. Basically, they get it's a transfer of resources,
32:45
Speaker 6: so it basically it's very expensive to roll all of
32:48
Speaker 6: this out, and rather than have a user pays approach,
32:52
Speaker 6: they're basically charging everyone for the cost of it, either
32:56
Speaker 6: through rising taxes, fees or charges were in this case,
33:00
Speaker 6: which is I think this is a much worse case
33:01
Speaker 6: because the power companies are looking to set up electric
33:05
Speaker 6: charges for vehicles, charge everyone, even people who don't have
33:10
Speaker 6: evs but have electricity bills, extra on their power bill,
33:13
Speaker 6: and then take all of the profits from the EV
33:16
Speaker 6: charges that they charge to people who use it.
33:18
Speaker 5: And Bill's already such a problem, oh.
33:20
Speaker 6: Totally, And so I think this is why there's this
33:23
Speaker 6: such deep resentment about it.
33:26
Speaker 12: Now.
33:26
Speaker 3: Your front page tomorrow is putting a bit of pressure
33:29
Speaker 3: on the premiere Chris mens over a commitment he made,
33:33
Speaker 3: I mean, this is a bit of a Sydney story,
33:34
Speaker 3: so we might have to explain it to people. A
33:36
Speaker 3: commitment he made about More Park, one of the kind.
33:40
Speaker 5: Of central parks in Sydney.
33:44
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's the most popular golf course in the Southern Hemisphere.
33:47
Speaker 6: It's been around for nearly one hundred years. Chris Means
33:52
Speaker 6: has said, look, we're going to carve out a massive
33:56
Speaker 6: acreage out of that for green space. It's going to
34:01
Speaker 6: become more dense the population in that area. And what
34:05
Speaker 6: we've found out is that there's actually maybe an agenda
34:10
Speaker 6: that perhaps I didn't want everyone to know about immediately,
34:12
Speaker 6: which is that there's now plans to build five giant
34:16
Speaker 6: towers right across the road from where they're carving out
34:19
Speaker 6: this land, a lot of towers, well residential towers, eight
34:24
Speaker 6: hundred and forty apartments above the Supercenter. You'd know where
34:26
Speaker 6: that is. And it's probably just to explain to the
34:29
Speaker 6: viewers around Australia, this is probably one of the busiest
34:31
Speaker 6: intersections in the country. There's no public transport there, but
34:36
Speaker 6: it's gone straight to what's termed as a state significant
34:40
Speaker 6: development which basically fast tracks it towards approval.
34:44
Speaker 5: He's doing this in a few areas. He's overriding the.
34:47
Speaker 3: Local council decision making ability, if you like, you know,
34:52
Speaker 3: their powers, overriding it saying we need urgent housing. Now
34:56
Speaker 3: many people would say this is a good idea, but
34:58
Speaker 3: I think it's in this instance it's if you'd say
35:03
Speaker 3: it's breaking a promise, but it was done in secret.
35:04
Speaker 3: But also it changes the character of an area, and
35:07
Speaker 3: a lot of the areas, like in Willara, they don't
35:10
Speaker 3: have the infrastructure to support it.
35:12
Speaker 5: Traffic will be gridlock.
35:14
Speaker 6: I think you're right. Look, there is a housing crisis,
35:17
Speaker 6: there is a need to build more housing, and the
35:20
Speaker 6: Telegraph's been generally supportive of the States stepping in when
35:24
Speaker 6: councils are hopeless. But to your point, this is an
35:28
Speaker 6: area where there's like just up the road Victoria Barracks
35:32
Speaker 6: are going to the Feds are going to steal that's sorry,
35:35
Speaker 6: it's going to sell that off, and then we've got
35:37
Speaker 6: more park, which has done nothing to anyone's Basically, it's
35:40
Speaker 6: a very popular place to play golf and there's an
35:42
Speaker 6: ideological element to it. And so yeah, so he's Basically
35:46
Speaker 6: none of this was discussed before the election, and it
35:49
Speaker 6: is changing the nature of suburbs, and that's where people
35:51
Speaker 6: are starting to rail against it.
35:53
Speaker 3: Yeah, to have these massive towers with thousands of people. Now,
35:58
Speaker 3: I was kind of interested in this story. Today we
36:00
Speaker 3: know that the federal government has had a social media
36:02
Speaker 3: ban for teenagers thanks to a campaign by your newspaper, Ben,
36:08
Speaker 3: But now we can see that teachers are becoming influencers
36:11
Speaker 3: at school. So this is inappropriate in a way because
36:15
Speaker 3: the teens, the kids can't use the social media apps.
36:18
Speaker 3: But now the teachers are creating their own TikTok dancers
36:23
Speaker 3: or routines or comedy acts, dominating algorithms. They want to
36:28
Speaker 3: become a viral sensation themselves. Let's have a look at
36:31
Speaker 3: one of the videos. Yeah, so, Ben, what do you
36:48
Speaker 3: think about that? I think that's hypocritical.
36:50
Speaker 5: The teacher should be supporting the social media ban rather.
36:53
Speaker 6: Than Yeah, it's kind of rubbing the kids noses in it,
36:56
Speaker 6: isn't it. And they're having a lot of fun. I
36:59
Speaker 6: mean I sort of curious about it. Are they doing
37:02
Speaker 6: it during school hours? I mean, they complain a lot
37:04
Speaker 6: about a very cluttered curriculum and all this sort of
37:08
Speaker 6: hours they having prep and so forth, and they're valid
37:11
Speaker 6: the valid concerns. But if they've got time to be
37:13
Speaker 6: doing these posts, and you have to wonder about that.
37:16
Speaker 3: Yeah, And a lot of the schools are saying it's
37:18
Speaker 3: an effective way to communicate with parents, but it's just
37:22
Speaker 3: it's also just juvenile. If you need to communicate with
37:25
Speaker 3: a parent, send an email or organize a face to
37:27
Speaker 3: face meeting.
37:28
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not very good at communicating anyway. I remember
37:30
Speaker 6: my kids at school. They had some portal that you
37:33
Speaker 6: had to go to it can never open it.
37:35
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, now I've got about five photals. All right, Ben, great,
37:39
Speaker 5: have you on the show.
37:40
Speaker 3: Loved the quotes from Barnaby He loves his dog, the
37:42
Speaker 3: dog loves him. Everything's fine, no issues there after the yelling,
37:46
Speaker 3: all right, see you next week coming up. Brendan O'Neil
37:51
Speaker 3: joins US live from London with his verdict on the
37:54
Speaker 3: new British PM class. President Trump vow's retaliation after we've
37:59
Speaker 3: learned more about how Iran struck a housing unit for
38:02
Speaker 3: US troops in Jordan.
38:04
Speaker 5: That's next.
38:07
Speaker 3: President Donald Trump has vowed revenge after the death of
38:11
Speaker 3: two American soldiers.
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Speaker 1: We hit him very hard again tonight, and we did
38:17
Speaker 1: that in honor of the probably three. It's probably three,
38:21
Speaker 1: as opposed to too great patriots.
38:24
Speaker 3: And he followed those comments with a post and truth
38:27
Speaker 3: social where he said, every time Iran kills an American soldier,
38:31
Speaker 3: they will pay for that killing many times over. This
38:34
Speaker 3: directive has been passed on to Secretary of Walpete Hegseth,
38:37
Speaker 3: Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
38:39
Speaker 5: Of Staff, Daniel Kane.
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Speaker 3: Now, one of those killed was just nineteen years old,
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Speaker 3: Isabella Gonzalez. And this after Iran reportedly struck a US
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Speaker 3: housing unit in Jordan, according to the Wall Street Journal.
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Speaker 3: And I'm joined now by Israeli diplomat and chair of
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Speaker 3: OZ Party, doctor Inat Wilf from Tel Aviv in thank
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Speaker 3: you for your time. What can you tell us about
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Speaker 3: the US response, vowing retaliation to this latest tragedy.
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Speaker 7: The US is very much aware that this time around,
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Speaker 7: the Iranian regime is trying to focus only on American
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Speaker 7: assets to kill American soldiers. They understand that hitting directly
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Speaker 7: golf states has been a problem. So even when they
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Speaker 7: hit in Kuwait or Bahrain, they attack, and now in Jordan,
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Speaker 7: they attack American basis American soldiers, and and so they're
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Speaker 7: sending a very clear message, if it was not clear
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Speaker 7: enough when they said death to America, that they are
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Speaker 7: at war with America. And in many ways, I think
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Speaker 7: the forces the understanding that some have tried to run
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Speaker 7: away from that there is no resolution with the Revolutionary
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Speaker 7: Guard regime until it falls. It is committed to an ideological,
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Speaker 7: theological war against the United States, and there's no way
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Speaker 7: around it.
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Speaker 3: But is that possible that we could see it fall?
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Speaker 3: I mean, I know at least one columnist, highly respected
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Speaker 3: Jared Baker, has written about how President Trump is now
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Speaker 3: caught in a wall that he can't end.
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Speaker 5: Do you think this is the case?
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Speaker 7: Like all regimes of its kind, regimes that prioritize destructive
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Speaker 7: ideologies over constructive ones, they appear stable. The Soviet Union,
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Speaker 7: the ASAD regime. I've by now seen many regimes that
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Speaker 7: people say we can't defeat, we can't defeat the ideology.
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Speaker 7: They seem powerful until they no longer are. And by
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Speaker 7: the way, this regime, if you look carefully, is very
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Speaker 7: much aware that it's fighting for its survival. That's why
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Speaker 7: it's insisting even though the Americans were willing to pretty
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Speaker 7: much give it everything. When the Vice President negotiated with them,
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Speaker 7: he pretty much gave them the store except for one thing.
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Speaker 7: They said. Okay, an internationally kind of naturally occurring water
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Speaker 7: waste cannot be owned by a country. On that international
41:23
Speaker 7: law is actually very clear. If you build this weather
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Speaker 7: a Panama canal find but you can't own the straits.
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Speaker 7: But the regime needs the money to survive. So if
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Speaker 7: you make it very difficult to survive, ultimately they fall.
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Speaker 5: Vice President JD.
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Speaker 3: Vance has been very critical about what he sees as
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Speaker 3: Israel pushing America into the Iran Wall. His comments, of course,
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Speaker 3: in this widely reported podcast with Joe Rogan just a
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Speaker 3: few days ago, doesn't concern you that the Vice president
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Speaker 3: and that so many Americans are against the Iran war.
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Speaker 7: So this shows you that the narrative war, the information war,
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Speaker 7: is no less important than the physical one. Because one
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Speaker 7: of the ways that the narrative war has been effective
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Speaker 7: is that the Iranians pushed fairly early the idea that
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Speaker 7: kind of Israel dragged the United States into war, kind
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Speaker 7: of leaning into ancient stereotypes about Jewish puppeteers. And even
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Speaker 7: though if you objectively looked at the situation, the only
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Speaker 7: people who dragged the United States into war, if you
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Speaker 7: could say that, were the people of Iran who courageously
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Speaker 7: went to the streets and demonstrated that it is possible
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Speaker 7: to bring down the regime. And this president, unlike, for example,
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Speaker 7: President Obama, did the right thing and said we have
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Speaker 7: your back and help is on the way. But look
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Speaker 7: at what the narrative war has achieved. It achieved exactly
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Speaker 7: basically putting aside the very effective Israeli air force and military,
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Speaker 7: but by making Israel almost toxic as participating in this war,
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Speaker 7: which is why people need to see it for what
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Speaker 7: it is. I will add also that this is another
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Speaker 7: data point for my argument that anti Zionism is the
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Speaker 7: ideology of failure. When people fail, they blame others rather
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Speaker 7: than take responsibility.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, doctor Enottwilfer, appreciate your time, thank you,
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Speaker 3: and don't go anywhere because after the break, Brandan O'Neil
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Speaker 3: joins from London. Why he thinks the new British PM
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Speaker 3: will be much worse than Kiyastarma.
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Speaker 5: That's next.
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Speaker 3: Well, last night the UK got its seventh Prime Minister
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Speaker 3: in less than a decade. Standing in front of ten
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Speaker 3: Downing Street, Andy Burnham confidently took the reins from Kiyastarma
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Speaker 3: and spiked Onlin's chief political reporter Brandan O'Neil and to me,
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Speaker 3: now live from London, Brendan, great to see you again. Now,
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Speaker 3: tell us, is the new bloke Andy any better than
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Speaker 3: Keir Starmer?
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Speaker 5: Or is he going to be worse?
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Speaker 8: He could well be worse. He certainly know better. The
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Speaker 8: main thing about Burnham that I have a problem with
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Speaker 8: which your viewers might not know, is that we didn't
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Speaker 8: vote for him to be Prime minister. No one elected
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Speaker 8: him to run the country. He certainly no one voted
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Speaker 8: for him to sweep into Downing Street and bring in
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Speaker 8: a whole new program of change, radical transformation of the country.
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Speaker 8: He was just elected as an MP a couple of
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Speaker 8: weeks ago, and there has been no general election, so
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Speaker 8: it feels like a coup. It feels incredibly undemocratic. But
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Speaker 8: also some of his views are problematic, I mean, especially
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Speaker 8: on the Israel question. He did this very solemn video
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Speaker 8: a couple of weeks back, basically apologizing for Labor being
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Speaker 8: too supportive of Israel, saying we should investigate Israel's crimes.
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Speaker 8: We should stop trading with Israel, really bad stuff. Basically,
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Speaker 8: he was throwing red meat to middle class voters and
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Speaker 8: Muslim voters who he is desperate to win back, and
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Speaker 8: I think that was indicative of a prime minister who
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Speaker 8: will do anything to stay in power. So I'm very
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Speaker 8: worried about him.
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Speaker 5: I mean, you talk about his radical agenda, what else
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Speaker 5: is he planning.
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Speaker 8: He's planning a lot of devolution. He wants to share
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Speaker 8: power around the country. Because of course, he was the
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Speaker 8: mayor of Manchester for ten years and people call him
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Speaker 8: mister Manchester. But anyone who's been to Manchester recently I
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Speaker 8: go to Manchester quite regularly, they will really have questions
45:32
Speaker 8: to ask about him. Because it's a wonderful city. It's
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Speaker 8: one of our great cities, but it has gone slightly
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Speaker 8: to rack and ruin under his mayorship. It is not
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Speaker 8: a shining example of how to run a city. So
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Speaker 8: if he's going to bring what they refer to as manchesterrism,
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Speaker 8: if he's going to bring that to the whole country,
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Speaker 8: then I think people should be worried. But he has
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Speaker 8: lots of woke views. He's very sympathetic to migrants, mass migration,
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Speaker 8: which is an issue that concerns lots of people. It's
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Speaker 8: not clear he's going to tackle the net zero question,
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Speaker 8: which is really strangling our economy. And it's not clear
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Speaker 8: that he's going to cut our versioning Welfare Bill which
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Speaker 8: is out of control. Those are the issues that are
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Speaker 8: concerning ordinary Brits and on those Andy Burnham doesn't have
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Speaker 8: any clear answers at all.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Look, it seems like very similar to the Albaneze government here,
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Speaker 3: and you've got, of course, your next.
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Speaker 5: Elections not till twenty twenty nine. I want to.
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Speaker 3: Ask you about a story, a tragic story, a murder
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Speaker 3: that I saw you've been commenting on. Now police have
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Speaker 3: charged a twenty eight year old Joshua Kerry over the
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Speaker 3: murder of former MP and Reform UK Party spokeswoman and Withcomb.
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Speaker 3: Now the offender who's been charged is due to a
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Speaker 3: peer in the Westminster Magistrates Cot. But what's the story here, Brendan,
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Speaker 3: what's happened?
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Speaker 8: It's really genuinely shocking. So Anne Whittecombe was a Tory
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Speaker 8: MP for years and year and then she went to
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Speaker 8: Reform Party, which is Nigel Farage's party. It might be
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Speaker 8: hard to explain to Australians who what kind of person
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Speaker 8: Anne Whitdokem is because she wasn't just a politician. She
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Speaker 8: was like a national treasure. She had gone on reality
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Speaker 8: TV show, she was on Strictly Come Dancing, she was
47:17
Speaker 8: on Celebrity Big Brother. She was Even though she is
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Speaker 8: very very conservative and some people see her as saw
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Speaker 8: her as controversial, she was incredibly loved and very popular.
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Speaker 8: So her killing, her alleged murder, is profoundly shocking to
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Speaker 8: this nation, and the police's handling of it has also
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Speaker 8: shocked people because they said very quickly that it doesn't
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Speaker 8: seem to have been political, and it doesn't seem to
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Speaker 8: have been terrorist terrorism, and lots of people shouted down
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Speaker 8: Nigel Farage when he said it looks like it might be.
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Speaker 8: Now it really does look like it might be. We
47:50
Speaker 8: have to wait for this case to take its course,
47:52
Speaker 8: of course, but it does look like she was killed
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Speaker 8: because of her political views. So it's another example of
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Speaker 8: some of the extreme entire tolerance that is moving into
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Speaker 8: our politics as a result of left wing lunacy, and
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Speaker 8: I think that's probably what's going to come out in
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Speaker 8: the next few months.
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Speaker 3: Really really sad was she at home or where was
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Speaker 3: she when she was killed?
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Speaker 8: She was at home. She was in her much loved
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Speaker 8: home in Dartmoor in the south of England. And this
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Speaker 8: suspect allegedly traveled two hundred and fifty miles from the
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Speaker 8: north of England to the south of England, specifically to
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Speaker 8: her home. I mean, the details of that will presumably
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Speaker 8: come out. Yeah, she was at home. She was enjoying
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Speaker 8: an evening to herself, she had just done a TV
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Speaker 8: show like this via zoom and then within a few
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Speaker 8: minutes she was dead. It has really shaken this nation
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Speaker 8: to its core. It's very very upsetting.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I.
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Speaker 3: Know she was at least an acquaintance or even a
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Speaker 3: friend of yours, Brendan, and so I'm so sorry for
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Speaker 3: your loss and thank you for telling us all in.
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Speaker 5: Australia about her. Thank you OsO for joining the program,
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Speaker 5: love having you on as always. And that's it from
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Speaker 5: me tonight. I'll see you tomorrow.
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Speaker 3: I would eight another big shot, of course, And right
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Speaker 3: now here's Paul Murray in the man Cave.
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