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Ep. 454: Rut FreshRadio 9/15/21 - The September Shift · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wire to hunts rut Fresh Radio, bringing you
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Speaker 1: the latest reports from the White Tailed Woods and now
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Speaker 1: your host, Spencer new Hearth. Welcome to Wire to hunts
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Speaker 1: rot Fresh Radio powered by First Light. I am Spencer
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Speaker 1: new Hearth and this week's episode of rought Fresh is
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Speaker 1: all about beating that September ship. Welcome to Wire to
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Speaker 1: Hunt's rout Fresh Radio and joining me on the podcast
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Speaker 1: this week to set the table for our September fift
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Speaker 1: episode is not Mark Kenyon, but instead it is the
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Speaker 1: best damn public Land white tail hunter I know, and
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Speaker 1: I've been introducing him that way for probably the last
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Speaker 1: five years, and that is Tony Peterson. How you doing, Tony,
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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, buddy. Thanks for having me on man. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And uh, the reason I have you on to intro
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Speaker 1: this week is because this coming weekend you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: heading to Wisconsin for their deer opener, and so I
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Speaker 1: want to talk to you in advance about what that
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Speaker 1: haunt is going to look like. Um. Now, knowing you
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Speaker 1: as a do Tony, you don't have always these traditional
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Speaker 1: textbook early season white tail setups where you're fifteen ft
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Speaker 1: of a tree, on the edge of a bean field
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Speaker 1: in September, like most hunters are. Um, so what are
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Speaker 1: some of the setups going to look like for you
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Speaker 1: this weekend in Wisconsin. Well, I'm you know, I'm taking
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Speaker 1: one of my nine year old twin daughters. So it's
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Speaker 1: this does not look like a typical early season hunt.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got I've got several blinds out and
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Speaker 1: I do have a couple that are playing right on
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Speaker 1: the food source edges, but most of them are kind
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Speaker 1: of built into some sort of travel route or staging area,
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Speaker 1: playing off somebody else's food sore. So you know, maybe
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Speaker 1: a disc bean field or alfalfa field or something. But
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Speaker 1: we'll we'll be set up mostly in the woods. And
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Speaker 1: I kind of did that because you know, with a
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Speaker 1: with a kid in school, we only get to hunt
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Speaker 1: Saturday and Sunday. I got you know, go over late
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Speaker 1: Friday night, come back Sunday night, and so we only
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Speaker 1: get four SIPs and I want to be able to
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Speaker 1: hunt those mornings. And so you know, it's typical field
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Speaker 1: that's set up, You're just not gonna hunt it in
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Speaker 1: the morning. And so I'm always looking for that opportunity
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Speaker 1: to get out there and sneak in and catch them
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Speaker 1: coming back from that food source before they go to bed.
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Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of how my setups look over there,
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Speaker 1: is you know, it's playing off those destination food sources,
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Speaker 1: but not necessarily right on top of them. I feel
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Speaker 1: like in the past that you've had a lot of
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Speaker 1: success hunting water this time of year. Is that going
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Speaker 1: to be a factor at all for this Wisconsin hunt? Nope,
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Speaker 1: even though you know other states are. You know, there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of drought going on and it's pretty dry
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Speaker 1: out there, and it would be a real good pattern
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Speaker 1: where we're at northern Wisconsin. There's water everywhere, and so
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Speaker 1: they're just it's just not the the top priority resource
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Speaker 1: over there because of just the abundance. And so we're
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Speaker 1: playing right off of food and travel this year. And
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Speaker 1: I know for this hunt and for other haunts, probably
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Speaker 1: for the next month, you're gonna be focused on staging areas.
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Speaker 1: How do you identify a staging area that you think
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Speaker 1: is going to be productive, especially in mid September, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm just just walking in there. Part of
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Speaker 1: it goes back to the kind of march scouting as
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Speaker 1: a late winter scouting and identifying those spots with some
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Speaker 1: rubs and stuff. And then you know, I was just
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Speaker 1: in there last weekend looking around, just kind of finalizing
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Speaker 1: everything and started to see some rubs and started to
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Speaker 1: see some sign and you just kind of read it, go, Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a there's an alfalfa field yards away from this spot,
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Speaker 1: and they got across the road. They're not gonna like that,
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Speaker 1: and so they're gonna probably do that in the dark.
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Speaker 1: So where are they going to set up to browse
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Speaker 1: around make these rubs? And you know, play off of
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Speaker 1: that that pattern a little bit. So it's always just
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Speaker 1: like where do they feel comfortable in the However, where
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Speaker 1: they laying down signed right now? And where can we
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Speaker 1: get in so we're not spooking them and getting too
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Speaker 1: close to the bedding or you know, when we're leaving
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Speaker 1: too close to the food source. And so it's kind
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Speaker 1: of like a it's a moving target. But you know,
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Speaker 1: when they start laying down sign, it gets the heck
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Speaker 1: of a lot easier. And they're doing that right now now.
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Speaker 1: Last question here, Tony um. You said one of your
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Speaker 1: nine year old twin daughters is coming with you to hunt.
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Speaker 1: What's wrong with the other one? Why why don't you
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Speaker 1: want to take her hunting? She gets next, she gets
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Speaker 1: the following weekends, so they get I have to split
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Speaker 1: them up otherwise it's just a little bit too much.
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Speaker 1: And so they go. My one daughter is gonna go
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Speaker 1: this weekend, and then my other daughter will go the
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Speaker 1: next weekend. So really, my first two weeks of the season,
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Speaker 1: all I'm gonna be doing is guiding nine year old
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Speaker 1: and we I'm so excited because we're hunting. We're hunting
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Speaker 1: legal deer, and we've got tags for everything. So nobody,
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Speaker 1: nobody unless they come in spotted, nobody's safe. And is
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Speaker 1: there a coin flip situation? You joined straws or how
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Speaker 1: do you determine who gets what weekend? So because of
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Speaker 1: how turkey season worked out for him, my one, my
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Speaker 1: one daughter killed the first night and the other one
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Speaker 1: she worked your tail off and didn't get one. So
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Speaker 1: she got the choice to be all right, am I
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Speaker 1: choosing to go first for the da here and play
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Speaker 1: that card? Or am I going later? And so she
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Speaker 1: she picked the first weekend because her her sister had
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Speaker 1: killed the big turkey last ring. All right, Well, that's
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Speaker 1: that's some hot tip on parenting that you don't normally
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Speaker 1: get on this podcast. UM. Now, the idea is Tony,
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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna talk to you next weekend. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: hear how that haunt went. Uh see if your predictions
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Speaker 1: and and what you think is going to happen on
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Speaker 1: this hunt came true. Um. Until then, we have some
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Speaker 1: reading material for our listeners that that you're included in
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Speaker 1: this list. This is stuff that's relevant for right now
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Speaker 1: to white tail hunters. So if if you like what
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Speaker 1: you're hearing on this podcast and you want more information,
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Speaker 1: check our description of the podcast. You're gonna find these
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Speaker 1: articles linked. And what we have is how Mark Jrewy
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Speaker 1: predicts buck movement based on win by Emily Kanner. That's
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Speaker 1: a really fascinating peace. And then we have how to
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Speaker 1: deer haunt big tracks of public land from Tony Peterson.
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Speaker 1: If if you're um in the South and you've got
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Speaker 1: some big, big forest area, if you're in the West
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Speaker 1: you've got some open grasslands, that's gonna be relevant for you.
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Speaker 1: And then Mark Kenyon's article on how to set up
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Speaker 1: a ground blind that won't spook deer, which I think
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Speaker 1: is relevant to a lot of September hunters, especially if
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Speaker 1: you're guy nag some nine year olds? Absolutely man, Awesome,
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Speaker 1: all right, Tony, what I'm gonna talk to you next week.
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Speaker 1: Good luck to you and your nine year old daughter
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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. And thanks for joining me. Awesome, thanks buddy,
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Speaker 1: all right and joining us on the line. Next is
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Speaker 1: Brian Christner from not Can Release in Kentucky. Now, Brian
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Speaker 1: in Kentucky, what would you say the buck activity is
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Speaker 1: ben lately on a scale of one to ten. On
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Speaker 1: a scale one to ten, I would say it was
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Speaker 1: an eight. Everyone concentrates, it seems like on bean fields
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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. As far as getting
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Speaker 1: to the food source, you know, and the way our
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Speaker 1: property has been set up, we actually really and traded
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Speaker 1: more on the woods. Um. We put mineral out and
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Speaker 1: trying to catch those bucks moving from bedding um to
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Speaker 1: the food source are back and forth, how you know,
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Speaker 1: mornings and evenings. We don't have the luxury of hunting
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Speaker 1: a massive property or properties only about two acres and
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Speaker 1: with you know, three of us hunting it, it's it's
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Speaker 1: kind of slim picking. But the buck activity this last
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Speaker 1: week when we were there was they were all bat
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Speaker 1: shirt up pretty good. Um. Still my father in law
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Speaker 1: had four year four bucks that shirt up together religiously
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Speaker 1: coming to the same areas. I too had a couple
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Speaker 1: of my wife had, you know, a couple of hers
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Speaker 1: all bat shirt up still and the activity was it
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Speaker 1: was good, it was. It was really impressive in the woods.
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Speaker 1: Um as far as our bean fields and everything went,
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Speaker 1: not a lot. It was interesting. We we didn't see
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Speaker 1: a lot of action in the in the beans itself.
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Speaker 1: So how close to the bedding do you think you're
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Speaker 1: actually hunting right now? I would say we were within
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Speaker 1: a hundred two yards of the betting some thick areas
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Speaker 1: where then opened up to more hardwood areas. A lot
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Speaker 1: of the activity that we were getting on the beans
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Speaker 1: were one am two am, so we we were we
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Speaker 1: were saying within within a hundred yards of the betting.
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Speaker 1: That's where we we would catch these deer in the
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Speaker 1: evenings headed towards the beans, but by the time they
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Speaker 1: actually made their way down in the beans, it was
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Speaker 1: after dark eight o'clock a thirty and then they would
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Speaker 1: stay there and feed throughout the night. Do water sources
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Speaker 1: factory in the early season set ups at all? We
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Speaker 1: have a lot of water on the property. Actually we
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Speaker 1: have several creeks running through the property. So I'd say
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Speaker 1: that's one of the big pros for us. UM. We
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Speaker 1: don't we really don't have a lot of issues with water,
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Speaker 1: um then finding water, so we we set up along
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Speaker 1: creek bottoms. Um. We're Tiffany, my wife shot her buck
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Speaker 1: this last week. It was about eight yards from the creek.
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Speaker 1: Tell us more about that set up. When your wife
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Speaker 1: killed that buck on September five, so Spember five. She
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Speaker 1: we set that set up. Uh, this past summer in June,
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Speaker 1: we set that couple hang on in the middle of
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Speaker 1: the woods. Literally, it's we knew they were betting up
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Speaker 1: on the ridge and and the neighbor's property. The neighbor's
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Speaker 1: property is real thick. And what they would do. They
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Speaker 1: filtered down through this this hard woods and we were
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Speaker 1: in a pretty thick area we cleared, but we knew
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Speaker 1: they would come through there. And Uh again that area
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Speaker 1: had no no beans near it or anything. The closest
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Speaker 1: bean field would be a good Uh it's a nine
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Speaker 1: hundred yards um. But they always walked through these woods.
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Speaker 1: And we cleared an area, small area almost like we
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Speaker 1: call it an ambush area kind of. They come through there.
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Speaker 1: It was on a good deer deer path, and we
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Speaker 1: put our mineral out there, and it was kind of
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Speaker 1: a routine. These bucks were coming through and that second
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Speaker 1: morning she uh, but second that evening hunt that's on
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Speaker 1: that second day she ended up. You know, she had
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Speaker 1: had to choose, you know, she got to choose between
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Speaker 1: two really good bucks and uh ended up getting it done.
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Speaker 1: Then where are you running a lot of your trail
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Speaker 1: cameras right now? Mainly our woods just on paths. We
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Speaker 1: lease our properties. So the farmer made a perimeter road
10:20
Speaker 1: around the property actually, so we actually took advantage of
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Speaker 1: that and we set up on these you know a road.
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Speaker 1: When I say that road, it's not like us nice
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Speaker 1: gravel road, and I think it's just play and he
10:32
Speaker 1: just cleared it. Um, So we set up off these roads.
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys set up on the roads and
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Speaker 1: they you know, they're looking, you know, they want to
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Speaker 1: see the whole road and see what's coming down there.
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Speaker 1: We actually went about thirty yards back in and to
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Speaker 1: where these deer are coming right down the road and
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Speaker 1: you know they're not looking to their left, which the
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Speaker 1: reds are kind of looking down the main road too.
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Speaker 1: So that's where our main focus was this last trip
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Speaker 1: was the woods and where we set it up. Our
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Speaker 1: cameras was there. Don't get me wrong, we had our
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Speaker 1: cameras on the field and that did help. I mean
11:05
Speaker 1: it showed us what was on the field. But again
11:08
Speaker 1: it's it was so hard to pattern those deers, the
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Speaker 1: deer on the beans because it was in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night half the time. Um so yeah, I'd
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Speaker 1: say our our craft cameras were definitely running in the
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Speaker 1: woods of the time. Going forward, then it is next
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Speaker 1: speak or so, what do you think that bucket QVT
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Speaker 1: is going to be on a scale of one to
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Speaker 1: ten In Kentucky opening weeks always great. Again, I rated
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Speaker 1: it last an eight. I would say for our area
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Speaker 1: we're in Monroe County, which is like south central, I
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Speaker 1: would say it's more going to be like this seven, seven,
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Speaker 1: six or seven, just because of you know, with us
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Speaker 1: being you know an our area and the activity that
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Speaker 1: we talked to neighboring farms and neighbors and they know
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Speaker 1: we've seen a lot of Bachelord groups break off from
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Speaker 1: being in groups. But then it just said, I think
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Speaker 1: it all depends on where you're at. How much pressure
12:03
Speaker 1: these deer get um. We had a lot of deer
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Speaker 1: that are that are hard horned already and still have
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Speaker 1: full velvet um, so I would say I'd say sorry, Arian,
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Speaker 1: Monroe County, Kentucky. Was would be a six for us
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Speaker 1: next week. The weather is supposed to be good, so
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Speaker 1: I just gotta get out there and try. All right, Brian,
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Speaker 1: congrats your wife Tiffany on that great buck. Good luck
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Speaker 1: with the rest of your season, and thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate it joining us online. Next is David g
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Speaker 1: Rizzo in North Dakota from Tagg and Bregg now David
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Speaker 1: in North Dakota. What would you say the buck activity
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Speaker 1: has been lately on a scale of one to ten. Honestly,
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Speaker 1: I would probably say the buck activity has been about
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Speaker 1: a three. UM. I think just coming out of this
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Speaker 1: new moon and the weather being very very staggned it
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Speaker 1: up there. They're they're in a drought or we're in
12:49
Speaker 1: drought right now up here in Um. The weather it's
12:53
Speaker 1: just been you know, up for seventies, low eighties, not
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Speaker 1: getting real cool at night. There's not much of a
13:00
Speaker 1: weather change over the past week or so, and that's
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Speaker 1: made the hunting really tough. The mature bucks, for sure,
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Speaker 1: have been very nocturnal, not a lot of morning movement.
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Speaker 1: We kind of base where we're hunting on the morning
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Speaker 1: movement or at least the close to daylight movement in
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Speaker 1: the morning that we observe on cameras, and it just
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Speaker 1: really hasn't been there. So I'd say probably about a
13:22
Speaker 1: three at the highest right now. Now, you just killed
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Speaker 1: a giant in North Dakota, big five by four that
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Speaker 1: you can see at team Tagging Briggs Instagram. David tell
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Speaker 1: us about that hunt and how that went down while
13:33
Speaker 1: you were in that area and why that buck was
13:35
Speaker 1: in that spot. You know what it was. It's kind
13:38
Speaker 1: of crazy, well, something a little unusual for this time
13:41
Speaker 1: of year. It was a buck that we had never
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Speaker 1: seen before. We've had cameras up here in North Dakota
13:46
Speaker 1: for about a month or so and have not seen
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Speaker 1: this buck yet. But the corn up here, being that
13:53
Speaker 1: there is a drought this year, is very short, so
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Speaker 1: a lot of the farmers are cutting it right now
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Speaker 1: for silage. And there was two different corn fields within
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Speaker 1: a mile of this particular spot that got cut um
14:05
Speaker 1: within twenty four hours. And that this buck that I
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Speaker 1: shot showed off on camera at seven thirty in the
14:12
Speaker 1: morning in daylight. Once again, that's kind of what we
14:15
Speaker 1: bank our hunting efforts on up there, especially this time
14:19
Speaker 1: of year, because normally when you see a buck in
14:22
Speaker 1: daylight in the morning or close to daylight in the morning,
14:26
Speaker 1: he's betting close. There's a good chance you get eyes
14:29
Speaker 1: on him or get close to him in the afternoon,
14:31
Speaker 1: and that's uh. You know, we're fortunate to be in
14:33
Speaker 1: the right spot at the right time. Took advantage of
14:36
Speaker 1: that opportunity and on a slow hunting week for us,
14:41
Speaker 1: it paid off and we're going home with a buck
14:43
Speaker 1: in the truck. Now. You mentioned that you've been running
14:45
Speaker 1: trail cameras there for the last month. Where are those
14:48
Speaker 1: trail cameras set up in the early season, so we're
14:51
Speaker 1: set up, we try and get as close as we can.
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Speaker 1: You know, two known betting areas that we've um me
14:57
Speaker 1: that we've experienced in the past, and putting them on
15:00
Speaker 1: the edge of the beans. And I think that's one
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Speaker 1: of the other reasons where why the movement shifted so much,
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Speaker 1: because over the last week and a half that we've
15:09
Speaker 1: been up here, the beans have gone from green to
15:12
Speaker 1: defoliating very quickly just because of the dry weather, So
15:17
Speaker 1: the bucks aren't feeding on the beams as much and
15:19
Speaker 1: we've had to shift to three rows. We're actually seeing
15:22
Speaker 1: a lot of scrapes top up, which is kind of unusual,
15:26
Speaker 1: and we haven't seen that as much in the years
15:28
Speaker 1: that we've been hunting up here in the past, at
15:30
Speaker 1: least this time of year. So we've moved our trail
15:34
Speaker 1: cameras to scrapes. That's worked out to get box on camera,
15:39
Speaker 1: but still the daylight activity has been few and far between.
15:43
Speaker 1: You mentioned a few times that it's very dry right
15:45
Speaker 1: now in the area. Has been in the drought. Has
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Speaker 1: water factored Indian evir setups then this year, Oh absolutely,
15:52
Speaker 1: you almost you have to be near water because the bucks,
15:57
Speaker 1: if they're not betting in the corn, they're betting in
15:59
Speaker 1: the attails lose close to water, and a lot of
16:02
Speaker 1: the slews that normally hold water, that are maybe like
16:06
Speaker 1: a quarter acre to an acre or even a couple acres,
16:10
Speaker 1: are completely dried up. So the bigger lakes and cattails
16:15
Speaker 1: lose are the only things that are holding water, and
16:18
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of centralized the deer movement, which has
16:21
Speaker 1: been nice. Um and it's and it's since we put
16:25
Speaker 1: the trail cameras out there about a month ago, we
16:27
Speaker 1: started getting a ton of pictures right off the bat
16:30
Speaker 1: because of it, because we kind of centralized around the water. Um.
16:34
Speaker 1: But you know, like I said, the daylight activity just
16:37
Speaker 1: hadn't been there over the last week, and I think
16:39
Speaker 1: the weather has played a big part in that. Now,
16:43
Speaker 1: for as long as I have known you and your brother,
16:45
Speaker 1: you guys have made trips to North Dakota in early
16:48
Speaker 1: September in that time period. By now, have you picked
16:51
Speaker 1: up on some historical patterns and how did those factory
16:53
Speaker 1: into your setups when you come back each year. Yeah,
16:56
Speaker 1: there's definitely those go to spots that we have. Like
17:00
Speaker 1: I said, you got those so, I mean we call
17:03
Speaker 1: them like buck palaces, the cat tails, slews, or the
17:06
Speaker 1: specific betting areas that we focus on and anything that
17:13
Speaker 1: revolves around cover. If beans meet the cover, it's you're
17:17
Speaker 1: normally a good area. You add water into the mix
17:20
Speaker 1: and you can almost guarantee that you're gonna have deer there.
17:23
Speaker 1: But the biggest thing is trying to glass and find
17:26
Speaker 1: the deer, because once you find, you know one to
17:30
Speaker 1: a couple of different box Normally, you know, deer attract
17:34
Speaker 1: deer um, so we centralized and focus on those areas,
17:38
Speaker 1: and you know, we've definitely found a pattern, like I said,
17:41
Speaker 1: where the beans, meat, to cover and water is. I mean,
17:45
Speaker 1: those are dynamite spots for us to set up. And
17:48
Speaker 1: when we're setting up trail cameras, you know, a couple
17:50
Speaker 1: of weeks before the season, that's really where we focus.
17:54
Speaker 1: And then based on that trail camera knowledge or the
17:58
Speaker 1: or the information that we're getting, we kind of make
18:01
Speaker 1: our our shifts accordingly from there going forward. Then in
18:04
Speaker 1: this next week or so, what do you think that
18:06
Speaker 1: Buck ACTV is going to be on a scale of
18:08
Speaker 1: one to ten in North Dakota. Honestly, I would say
18:12
Speaker 1: probably a four, because looking at the forecast, it's gonna
18:16
Speaker 1: be in the eighties all week. I think the only
18:18
Speaker 1: benefit right now is gonna be the last couple of
18:21
Speaker 1: days of the Red Moon. I shot my buck on
18:24
Speaker 1: the second day of the Red Moon. We got a
18:26
Speaker 1: couple more days left. I think the early portion of
18:29
Speaker 1: this week is going to be the best plunning of
18:31
Speaker 1: the week. And there's rain coming in later this afternoon,
18:35
Speaker 1: which in the past you get a rainstorm, and you've
18:39
Speaker 1: got a couple of hours where that rainstorm moves out
18:42
Speaker 1: in the afternoon and and the sun peeks back out
18:45
Speaker 1: in the afternoon. Those are magical, magical days. The deer
18:49
Speaker 1: want to get up, shake themselves off, dry off, and
18:52
Speaker 1: they typically start feeding pretty early during that, you know,
18:55
Speaker 1: during those specific days. So I think today is gonna
19:00
Speaker 1: be the best day of the week. Um, But as
19:02
Speaker 1: the week goes on, I I honestly think it's gonna
19:05
Speaker 1: get just worse and worse hunting wise, because it's going
19:07
Speaker 1: to go back to that stagnant weather, and you know,
19:10
Speaker 1: the buck movement, especially the mature buck movement, is probably
19:14
Speaker 1: gonna be subdued because of it. All Right, David, congrats
19:17
Speaker 1: again on the great buck. Good luck with the rest
19:19
Speaker 1: of your season, and thanks for joining me. Thanks Bence,
19:21
Speaker 1: I appreciate it alright, and joining us on the line.
19:24
Speaker 1: Next is Taylor Chamberlain from the Hunt Urban YouTube channel
19:28
Speaker 1: in Virginia. Now Taylor in Virginia, what would you say
19:30
Speaker 1: the buck activities been lately? On a scale of one
19:32
Speaker 1: to ten skill one to ten, I'd put buck activity
19:36
Speaker 1: at a solid seven to an eight. Um, I'm seeing
19:40
Speaker 1: deer on their feet a ton right now. They're hitting
19:43
Speaker 1: food sources. We've got the first bit of acorn trees,
19:48
Speaker 1: white oaks that they're starting to drop um and that mass,
19:51
Speaker 1: as soon as it hits the ground around here is
19:53
Speaker 1: just getting gobbled up. So on top of that, we've
19:57
Speaker 1: had a large weather system push for push through. We've
20:01
Speaker 1: had traditionally much cooler temperatures than we normally get, so
20:05
Speaker 1: the deer on their feet, they're on their feet longer
20:08
Speaker 1: in the morning hours and also up much earlier in
20:12
Speaker 1: the afternoons, and even seeing really good midday movement. The
20:15
Speaker 1: last you know, five to eight days have just been
20:19
Speaker 1: exceptional as far as deer movement, both in the field
20:22
Speaker 1: and also on my cameras that I'm seeing, so uh,
20:25
Speaker 1: it's been really really good. Besides acorns, what other food
20:29
Speaker 1: sources are relevant for white tails in those urban environments, Well,
20:34
Speaker 1: I mean deer around here in in any urban environment
20:36
Speaker 1: where you have a larger population of white tail um,
20:40
Speaker 1: they tend to be, you know, eating at any opportunity
20:44
Speaker 1: they can. We see a lot of deer eating shrubs, plants,
20:49
Speaker 1: hostas anything that's palatable for them, which is why when
20:53
Speaker 1: the acorns start dropping, or maybe some symmeon trees. Any
20:57
Speaker 1: any tree or plant that has off mast on it.
21:01
Speaker 1: As soon as that's ripe and hitting the ground, the
21:03
Speaker 1: deer just gonna crush it. The only thing that they
21:06
Speaker 1: don't like, or you know, the red oaks, which they
21:09
Speaker 1: will eat. I kind of equate those to like taco
21:11
Speaker 1: bell at two o'clock in the morning right now, where um,
21:15
Speaker 1: it's something that's palatable, but you're gonna regret it later.
21:19
Speaker 1: And the deer with all those tannins in it, I
21:21
Speaker 1: think it as upsets their stomach for a little bit.
21:23
Speaker 1: That's why they tend to find those white oaks, orny
21:26
Speaker 1: type of apple tree for cemetree more palatable. You mentioned
21:30
Speaker 1: that your trail cameras have been lighting up lately. Where
21:32
Speaker 1: are your trail cameras running in early September? So early September,
21:36
Speaker 1: they're all on food sources. Uh, any oak tree in
21:40
Speaker 1: the you can kind of tell it looks like turkeys
21:43
Speaker 1: scratching on the leaves. Um pretty easy to spot the
21:47
Speaker 1: trails that are coming in and out of those food areas,
21:50
Speaker 1: So I like to have them rate where the trail
21:54
Speaker 1: is kind of entering the feeding area. I don't like
21:57
Speaker 1: to have a ton of just feeding pictures because I
22:01
Speaker 1: just I don't need, you know, thtures of those feeding
22:05
Speaker 1: on acorns. I want to see what's coming and going.
22:07
Speaker 1: But I like to have a camera kind of parallel
22:10
Speaker 1: to where that trail is entering rather than have a
22:13
Speaker 1: picture of a dear head on because I find that
22:15
Speaker 1: the bucks will like to enter on a slightly different
22:18
Speaker 1: parallel trail from where those dose are coming into a
22:21
Speaker 1: food source, and so if I can have a little
22:24
Speaker 1: bit of topography there or just kind of take a
22:27
Speaker 1: picture where I'm shooting across the parallel trails, that's where
22:31
Speaker 1: I find the best trail camera locations to be on
22:34
Speaker 1: those white oak flats. What's the status of bachelor groups
22:38
Speaker 1: and bucks in Velvet right now in Virginia? I'd say
22:42
Speaker 1: about eighty five bucks are no longer involved. Drive around
22:47
Speaker 1: last night doing some scouting, I saw um multiple bachelor groups,
22:53
Speaker 1: and I still have pictures on camera of baschular groups,
22:56
Speaker 1: so I think there's just now getting ready to break up.
23:00
Speaker 1: For the most part, I'd say the majority of bucks
23:02
Speaker 1: are in bachelor groups, with the exception of a couple
23:04
Speaker 1: of big mature dear that I've seen out on their own,
23:08
Speaker 1: but at the same time last night and a couple
23:11
Speaker 1: of batchelor groups, I saw um some big mature deer
23:14
Speaker 1: in those groups. So I think that the majority of
23:17
Speaker 1: deer are still in bachelor groups, but they're coming out
23:20
Speaker 1: of velvet. Very few are still in velvet, and they
23:23
Speaker 1: should be breaking off and going into a less traditional
23:26
Speaker 1: summer feeding pattern any day now. Taylor, I know you
23:30
Speaker 1: do almost all mobile running gun setups. How does your
23:34
Speaker 1: gear list or your setups change in early season versus
23:37
Speaker 1: October or November or December. Well, right now, I mean,
23:41
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going in as light as possible, so I uh,
23:44
Speaker 1: you know, trying to mitigate sweat, which for me, I'm
23:47
Speaker 1: a big jade and I'm probably not in the best
23:49
Speaker 1: shape I could be. UM, So you know, swet's gonna
23:52
Speaker 1: happen for me. Um. But I'm going in light. I'm
23:55
Speaker 1: normally running just a very lightweight top and lightweight pants.
23:59
Speaker 1: I make sure, and I'm very sprayed down with permethron um.
24:03
Speaker 1: As I'm sitting here giving you this interview, I'm picking
24:05
Speaker 1: ticks off my arm and just cut out of the woods. Um.
24:08
Speaker 1: But as I get it later into the season. I mean,
24:11
Speaker 1: it's all about spending more time in the tree as
24:14
Speaker 1: we get into later October early November. So right now
24:17
Speaker 1: I'm going in light and as we get later in
24:20
Speaker 1: the season, I'm just gonna bring more layers with me
24:23
Speaker 1: and probably more snacks. Um. But you know, my kid
24:26
Speaker 1: pretty much has everything in it, but I need from
24:28
Speaker 1: day one with the exceptional layers and um, changing from
24:32
Speaker 1: water to coffee as we get later in the season.
24:35
Speaker 1: How about with your saddle or your sticks? Is anything
24:37
Speaker 1: changed there in September? No? Uh, some my saddle just
24:42
Speaker 1: in sticks are always the exact same unless I'm running
24:46
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of prototype gear or whatever. But
24:49
Speaker 1: my one sticks and I've been running the Phantom xl
24:52
Speaker 1: UM now for pretty good while. And um, you know
24:57
Speaker 1: that's just always ready to go in the back of
24:59
Speaker 1: my car. Uh, just reading rock going forward. Then, in
25:03
Speaker 1: this next week or so, what do you think that
25:04
Speaker 1: buck ATV is going to be on a scale of
25:06
Speaker 1: one to ten in Virginia. I think it's probably gonna
25:10
Speaker 1: slow down, give it like a four compared to what
25:13
Speaker 1: it is now. Um. I've been using some different predictability apps, UM,
25:18
Speaker 1: one of them being called spartan forge, which predicts kind
25:21
Speaker 1: of wind, deer moving and where um. And what they've
25:24
Speaker 1: determined and discovered is that like deer will feed for
25:27
Speaker 1: a period until they're satiated, and once they're satiated, they're
25:30
Speaker 1: not going to have these long feeding spurts. And so
25:33
Speaker 1: I think we're at the end of that major feeding
25:37
Speaker 1: spurt that we just saw correlated with the cooler weather,
25:39
Speaker 1: and as it gets warmer than deer gonna kind of
25:42
Speaker 1: lay low until the next feeding event occurs. All right, Taylor,
25:46
Speaker 1: good luck with the rescue season. Great intail, thanks for
25:49
Speaker 1: joining me. Thanks Messor, good luck everybody out there all
25:52
Speaker 1: right and joining us on theline. Last is Jake Hipschman
25:55
Speaker 1: from the hunting public in Wyoming. Now, Jake in Wyoming,
25:58
Speaker 1: what would you say the buck activity is been Leley
26:00
Speaker 1: On a scale of one to ten, I would say, uh,
26:04
Speaker 1: seven or eight. The what the weather when we were
26:07
Speaker 1: out there, it was a little warmer, But I mean,
26:11
Speaker 1: the nice thing about hunting those western states that that
26:14
Speaker 1: we like is you can always just get up to
26:16
Speaker 1: a vantage point. It seems like where you can get
26:18
Speaker 1: somewhere and see a long ways and observe a bunch
26:20
Speaker 1: of stuff, so the weather doesn't doesn't play as big
26:24
Speaker 1: of a factor, doesn't seem like just because our style
26:27
Speaker 1: of honey would like to get up on an elevated
26:30
Speaker 1: knob usually and watch over a bunch of ground and
26:32
Speaker 1: just try to get eyes on the animals, especially in
26:34
Speaker 1: the morning, and then hopefully if you do get eyes
26:38
Speaker 1: on the animal, you can either try to make a
26:40
Speaker 1: stalk throughout the day or just get somewhere close to
26:42
Speaker 1: where you last seen him to set up in the afternoon.
26:45
Speaker 1: And we have pretty good luck doing that, So, I mean,
26:48
Speaker 1: I'd say it was a seven or eight. If the
26:50
Speaker 1: weather would have been cooler, maybe would have had even
26:52
Speaker 1: better luck. But as far as just getting eyes on ducks,
26:54
Speaker 1: we had pretty good luck when we're out there. On
26:58
Speaker 1: our website Wired haun we've had Mark Kenyon right in
27:01
Speaker 1: the past about how one of his favorite features to hunt,
27:04
Speaker 1: whether he's in Maine or Montana, our water crossings, because
27:08
Speaker 1: they're so easy to to locate and they're great for
27:11
Speaker 1: hunting year round. Tell me about hunting those jake and
27:14
Speaker 1: what you like about those in September. Well, I'll start
27:17
Speaker 1: with when we first got out there, it seemed like
27:20
Speaker 1: it had been really dry, like the we we've done
27:22
Speaker 1: end up hunting along this river, but it was more
27:26
Speaker 1: of a creek. I mean, it was you could about
27:28
Speaker 1: jump across in most places. Then we got a bunch
27:31
Speaker 1: of rain, and uh, it seemed like the deer weren't
27:35
Speaker 1: used to it, the river being as high as it
27:37
Speaker 1: was after we got all that rain, I mean, the
27:38
Speaker 1: river was twenty thirty yards wide. Rush it's pretty good.
27:41
Speaker 1: And we got a video on the channel of of
27:44
Speaker 1: all this. But basically we got up to one of
27:47
Speaker 1: the two knobs that we ended up kind of focusing
27:49
Speaker 1: in on in the morning, and there was three bucks
27:53
Speaker 1: beating out on alfalfa field that we had seen about
27:56
Speaker 1: on a couple of nights earlier. They were still out
27:58
Speaker 1: there on that field during daylight, but as soon as
28:01
Speaker 1: the sun popped up they pretty much just made a
28:03
Speaker 1: beam mine for the same place that a bunch of
28:06
Speaker 1: doughs acrossed earlier that morning. And every single year that
28:09
Speaker 1: we saw throughout this bottom was going to this certain
28:13
Speaker 1: spot in the river. This little oxboat across and it
28:16
Speaker 1: was right down the river of a beaver dam, and
28:18
Speaker 1: lust water must have been more shallow there, and all
28:21
Speaker 1: the year knew this, So that morning we watched I
28:24
Speaker 1: don't know, seven or eight deer cross on the same
28:27
Speaker 1: exact trail, so we uh we figured they weren't very
28:31
Speaker 1: far down in the river bottom, and uh we basically
28:35
Speaker 1: just got as close as we could to the river
28:36
Speaker 1: on that clock crossing. There wasn't much cover out there.
28:39
Speaker 1: There was just a couple uh sage bushes right up
28:42
Speaker 1: against the river that we tucked behind, and we ended
28:44
Speaker 1: up having uh those same three bucks coming across just
28:47
Speaker 1: out of range that afternoon. So, um, I don't know,
28:51
Speaker 1: I think just the combination of observing and sitting back
28:55
Speaker 1: and waiting and kind of waiting to find something that
28:59
Speaker 1: we can focus in on. That's kind of what we
29:00
Speaker 1: were waiting for for three, four or five days there.
29:03
Speaker 1: And then we'd realized all these bucks after their server
29:06
Speaker 1: came up, we're crossing on this one trail. So we
29:08
Speaker 1: finally made our move, but we just, uh we didn't.
29:11
Speaker 1: We weren't quite close enough to the trail. There was
29:13
Speaker 1: basically two trails that we could see across the river,
29:15
Speaker 1: and we picked the run one that was about ten
29:17
Speaker 1: yards too far away from what we felt comfortable shooting
29:21
Speaker 1: at him. So you mentioned that you were watching some
29:25
Speaker 1: books on al delfa, what other food sources relevant for
29:28
Speaker 1: that hunting wyoming? There wasn't a lot of crop in
29:32
Speaker 1: that area. That was about the only crop field that we,
29:35
Speaker 1: uh we even noticed. It was mostly just um natural
29:40
Speaker 1: brows ky stuff. Greg greg wisconum sunflowers, so I'm assuming
29:45
Speaker 1: that's what they actually were. He he knows a lot
29:48
Speaker 1: more about that stuff that I do. But just the
29:50
Speaker 1: little yellow flowers. They're not the traditional sunflowers I'm used
29:54
Speaker 1: to see in like road crop sunflowers Midwest, but they
29:58
Speaker 1: were just like a smaller yellow hour And basically the
30:01
Speaker 1: year we're betting down. There's a hunt that is on
30:05
Speaker 1: the channel as well of where Ted and Greg stalked
30:08
Speaker 1: a buck that was bettered down this stuff. But they're
30:10
Speaker 1: betting in it just because I can stand up throughout
30:12
Speaker 1: the day and drows on it too. There's just a
30:14
Speaker 1: bunch of different uh plants that are growing within them too,
30:18
Speaker 1: And there's footage of like those bucks standing up in
30:21
Speaker 1: that stuff and feeding on it, but it's tall enough
30:23
Speaker 1: where they feel like they're in cover two. I think
30:27
Speaker 1: I know you boys do a lot of hunting from
30:29
Speaker 1: the ground, how is it different hunting from the ground
30:32
Speaker 1: for white tails and early September versus the rest of
30:34
Speaker 1: the years, say October November. Oh boy, I mean you
30:38
Speaker 1: just got a lot more cover this time of year.
30:40
Speaker 1: So I mean, as far as getting shots, that might
30:43
Speaker 1: make it a little tougher. Like in that video that
30:46
Speaker 1: we have we're Ted and tedd and Greg got close
30:48
Speaker 1: to that buck in those sunfowers. They were offen twenty
30:50
Speaker 1: yards of them for I don't know, I think it's
30:53
Speaker 1: two or three hours, but and he stood up a
30:56
Speaker 1: couple of times, but everything in the vegetation was just
30:58
Speaker 1: too thick where he couldn't get to sheep, like he
31:01
Speaker 1: wasn't comfortable taking the shot. Um, seems like as everything
31:05
Speaker 1: dies off, it's just a little bit easier everything everything, uh,
31:09
Speaker 1: all the so it's stuff just gets lower to the
31:12
Speaker 1: ground as it dies obviously, and just getting shots might
31:16
Speaker 1: be a little bit easier. So you might have to
31:18
Speaker 1: be a little bit more careful about where you're picking
31:21
Speaker 1: the set up and making sure you're gonna be able
31:23
Speaker 1: to get a shot when the year actually come in.
31:26
Speaker 1: Going forward, then in the next week or so, what
31:28
Speaker 1: do you think that buck ATV is going to be
31:29
Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten. In Wyoming, it
31:32
Speaker 1: didn't seem like I guess we got there. The bucks
31:35
Speaker 1: were interacting with each other here as much, which especially
31:39
Speaker 1: when they're bachelored up, like it seems like they're always
31:41
Speaker 1: seeing them early season, especially uh, just knock heads together,
31:45
Speaker 1: you know, and do a little sparring and just kind
31:47
Speaker 1: of start to set that packing order. And as as
31:50
Speaker 1: we were leaving Wyoming, it seemed like there was a
31:54
Speaker 1: lot more of that going on, where like bucks were
31:56
Speaker 1: starting to lose their velvet, they're starting to spar a
31:58
Speaker 1: little bit more, and bachelor groups are starting to break up.
32:01
Speaker 1: It seemed like like even in some of that footage,
32:04
Speaker 1: like there's but there's two nice bucks that came in.
32:07
Speaker 1: Of the three, one of them was hard horned and
32:09
Speaker 1: the other one was in velvet. Still on that hard
32:12
Speaker 1: horn one kind of nudged the velvet eight pointer around,
32:15
Speaker 1: even though I mean the other buckland it looks like
32:19
Speaker 1: he's bigger body, maybe a year older deer, and I mean,
32:21
Speaker 1: you have bigger antlers, but that that hardharmed, smaller antler
32:25
Speaker 1: buck kind of nudged him around. I don't know if
32:27
Speaker 1: it's just because the uh at losson velvet yeah, or
32:30
Speaker 1: or you have loss of velvet yeah already, but I'd
32:34
Speaker 1: say there's gonna be a lot more of that going
32:35
Speaker 1: on as they kind of start to set the tecting
32:37
Speaker 1: order throughout that river bottom there. If you want to
32:41
Speaker 1: see the haunted Jake has been talking about, you can
32:43
Speaker 1: see it right now on the Hunting Public's YouTube channel. Uh.
32:46
Speaker 1: The one video is titled Deer hunting a beaver Dam.
32:48
Speaker 1: The other is big Wyoming public Land White Tails. Thank
32:51
Speaker 1: you for joining me, Jake, and good luck with the
32:53
Speaker 1: rest of your fall. And that concludes this week's episode
32:58
Speaker 1: of rut Fresh Radio. Thanks to Brian, David Taylor and
33:01
Speaker 1: Jake for joining me, and thank you guys for listening.
33:03
Speaker 1: Remember those reading materials can be found in the description
33:06
Speaker 1: of the website about how Mark Jory predicts buck movement
33:08
Speaker 1: based on when Tony Peterson says you should be deer
33:12
Speaker 1: haunting big tracks of public land, and how to set
33:14
Speaker 1: up a ground blind that won't spook to your punt. Kenyon,
33:17
Speaker 1: I will talk to you next week and until then,
33:20
Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.