Latest / The Mental Health Evolution / Ep 25: Out‑of‑Pocket and Out of Reach
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- 0:05Welcome to Mental Health Evolution, a podcast about what's changing in mental
- 0:10health and why it matters.
- 0:12I'm your host, Rachel Harrison, inviting you into honest conversations with
- 0:16people from all perspectives in the field, clinicians, tech founders,
- 0:20investors, insurance companies, and all the folks in between.
- 0:24Let's explore what's working, what's not, and what's next.
- 0:33Welcome back, everyone, to the Mental Health Evolution podcast, where we
- 0:38explore changes happening in the mental health industry and discuss topics from
- 0:44multiple perspectives.
- 0:45More and more, I am finding the need to be able to
- 0:48set the stage and talk through some various dynamics in the industry
- 0:53as a solo episode.
- 0:55And that's what we're going to do today.
- 0:56I want to share some insights and some information on a topic
- 1:00I've been thinking about and exploring, which is how rising out-of
- 1:04-pocket health care costs are impacting people's ability to stay in therapy
- 1:09as well as access mental health support.
- 1:12In this episode, I'll walk through some of the forces behind these
- 1:16changes, including deductibles, co-pays, and market-based shifts, and explore
- 1:21what those trends may mean for clients, clinicians, and the broader mental
- 1:26health system.
- 1:27So let's start with a few articles here to set the stage.
- 1:32We wanted to find current information.
- 1:34And so you will see at least one here that is a
- 1:372026 article.
- 1:39And that's important because many of these shifts that are being seen
- 1:42and reported by providers and clients alike are more recent, really starting
- 1:48early this year in 2026 and some at the end of 2025,
- 1:53as insurance plans and deductibles have reset for the year.
- 1:56But let's go over some of these articles in brief to get
- 2:00you an idea of what has been happening.
- 2:03The first one I want to highlight here is called the high
- 2:06costs of mental health care, a barrier, a burden, and a call
- 2:11to action.
- 2:12This one from the Access Institute that helps to create access for
- 2:17people that have a barrier.
- 2:18And they report on how cost remains a major barrier to accessing
- 2:23therapy as demand continues to grow while provider supply and affordability lag
- 2:29behind.
- 2:30So we're going to dig into some of those pieces.
- 2:34The next article that I want to look at is called insurance
- 2:38design can create co-pay barriers to mental health care.
- 2:42This one is a research review from RWJF and many insurance plans
- 2:48they have found do charge higher co-pays for mental health visits
- 2:52compared with primary care.
- 2:53That is not necessarily new, but it does reduce utilization, especially for
- 2:59older adults in Medicare Advantage plans.
- 3:02But I think across the board, I know that most of you
- 3:05probably realize that if you are accessing mental health care, usually you're
- 3:10paying at least the specialty provider rate and sometimes an even higher
- 3:15rate when you are accessing mental health care.
- 3:18And this is one of the barriers that we will talk about
- 3:21more and more.
- 3:22Next article, just to go over this briefly, the APA services.
- 3:27This is the 2026 summary, which I found very helpful.
- 3:32I do highly recommend taking a look at it.
- 3:34Saying new policies affecting access to mental health care.
- 3:38And this article is discussing how policy decisions are limiting affordable
- 3:42access, including things like cost sharing, funding cuts and barriers that have
- 3:48been disproportionately affecting people who need care.
- 3:52This article also offers some suggestions of what can be done.
- 3:57And I'm going to highlight that a little bit later in the
- 3:59episode as well.
- 4:00And the last, the PMC report.
- 4:03This is from 2024, so a little further back.
- 4:06But the article is called High Out-of-Pocket Cost Burden for
- 4:09Mental Health Care.
- 4:10And again, research showing that a subset of patients spends a large
- 4:14percentage of income on out-of-pocket mental health care costs and
- 4:18highlighting those affordability challenges.
- 4:21So with that setting the stage, I'd like to talk about some
- 4:25broader themes and some anecdotal scenarios that are going on, because I
- 4:32want to highlight conversations that I have been hearing about personally and
- 4:36professionally and what people are reaching out to tell the podcast.
- 4:40I'm also seeing from other providers what they are expressing either personally
- 4:44or on a public forum such as social media.
- 4:47And the bottom line is that everyone is reporting a change.
- 4:52I would say it like this.
- 4:53Things are different in 2026.
- 4:56We are seeing a shift.
- 4:57I talked to a colleague recently and have changed any identifying data
- 5:01so as not easily identify this person.
- 5:04She's a group practice owner and she has a practice that accepts
- 5:08commercial insurance.
- 5:09She is saying a couple of things.
- 5:11First, she is saying it's harder to get referrals as a local
- 5:14practitioner.
- 5:15I have heard this echoed throughout different forums online.
- 5:20I've also heard this from multiple solo providers.
- 5:23People are struggling to get referrals.
- 5:26Local practitioners who used to feel like they couldn't see enough people,
- 5:32there was too much demand, are now really looking for clients.
- 5:37So that's just an interesting trend that is shifting.
- 5:40And two, some clients are terminating services due to higher costs and
- 5:46they have insurance.
- 5:48So these are not people saying the cost of out of pocket
- 5:53mental health care or practitioners who don't take insurance is too much.
- 5:57These are people saying I have insurance and I can't afford mental
- 6:03health care.
- 6:03And that represents a big shift too in our industry.
- 6:08And I want to dig through that a little bit more and
- 6:10kind of unpack that.
- 6:12Because as I process and as we process on the pod these
- 6:16two things, I sat with some of the things I've been hearing
- 6:19as trends.
- 6:20And I want to highlight each one here, how it impacts clients,
- 6:24clinicians and businesses in this space.
- 6:27First, we're going to talk about changes being seen in commercial and
- 6:32employer provided insurance plans.
- 6:35Number one, the cost of insurance plans has skyrocketed.
- 6:39This has been all over social media.
- 6:41I'm sure you've seen it.
- 6:42But there are things happening here where even people with employer plans
- 6:48are having to pay more just to have insurance.
- 6:53So the price of entry is has gone up exponentially.
- 6:57I know people that are paying double and triple the amount to
- 7:02have their monthly pay rate just to have insurance.
- 7:05Medical insurance also covers mental health care.
- 7:08Typically, these people are seeing higher rates required just to have
- 7:14insurance.
- 7:15And as you can imagine, that creates a significant financial burden.
- 7:20That means there's less cash available in that person's budget for other
- 7:25things such as maybe deductibles or co-pays.
- 7:30So even for providers that are in network, this piece is the
- 7:35first layer of complexity.
- 7:37The next layer is that deductibles across the board seem to be
- 7:43increasing.
- 7:44Again, this is not every single plan and it doesn't reflect everything,
- 7:49but it is a pattern seen by many.
- 7:52Providers are reporting this all across the country.
- 7:55These deductibles often create a financial burden that is not sustainable.
- 8:00For a client to pay eight or ten thousand dollars of their
- 8:03mental health care costs out of pocket before being able to access
- 8:07a benefit.
- 8:08And as you can imagine, that's another layer to this barrier of
- 8:13getting care even for clients that have insurance.
- 8:17And third, co-pays are increasing.
- 8:19Again, not every plan, but we are seeing this more and more.
- 8:23A large number of commercial plans are seeing an increase in co
- 8:27-pay costs for outpatient mental health care.
- 8:29I believe inpatient as well, although I haven't heard as much about
- 8:33that.
- 8:33And this means that a client who is already paying more for
- 8:36their insurance plan may also have a higher deductible and now has
- 8:40a higher co-pay once the deductible is met.
- 8:43So the multiplication effect is pretty significant.
- 8:47The cost of receiving care may double, triple, quadruple for people that
- 8:53have been utilizing mental health care.
- 8:56They're saying, can I still afford this?
- 8:59So I think it's worth us taking a look at that pattern
- 9:03and how it is impacting the industry as a whole.
- 9:06The other factor is Medicaid cuts.
- 9:09This is well known and we have talked about this some on
- 9:12the pod.
- 9:13But as one of the articles referenced, the Medicaid cuts mean that
- 9:1611.8 million individuals, 11.8 million, if you can just think
- 9:23about that for a moment, will no longer have access to Medicaid
- 9:27benefits.
- 9:27According to the AP article that I referenced above, these are individuals
- 9:32often who have an acute need for mental health care.
- 9:35So cuts here mean that there are more people who cannot afford
- 9:39care.
- 9:39When I look at this data and clients or patients who are
- 9:43no longer able to afford mental health services, I just wonder to
- 9:46myself, where do they go?
- 9:49What happens next?
- 9:50At the same time, providers are often saying that they can no
- 9:54longer afford to accept Medicaid, Medicare and even some commercial insurances
- 10:00due to the low reimbursement rates and the rising costs to remain
- 10:04in practice.
- 10:06So by my assessment, this means that our gap continues to widen.
- 10:10We have providers who cannot afford to provide care through insurance that
- 10:15we have.
- 10:16And we have clients and patients who cannot afford out-of-network
- 10:20care and sometimes cannot even afford care with their commercial insurance and
- 10:25with Medicaid cuts may not even be covered anymore.
- 10:29My question is this.
- 10:31I'm curious, who stands to gain with these trends?
- 10:35And I'm just going to leave that there.
- 10:37While these data points don't present a great picture for the mental
- 10:41health industry, I think there are a few points to consider.
- 10:44And some of these also come from the APA recommendations.
- 10:48First, I want to say if you currently have a reasonable co
- 10:51-pay for mental health services, please use it.
- 10:54Enjoy it.
- 10:55Count yourself as fortunate.
- 10:56This is a good thing and we're glad for it.
- 10:59Secondly, I encourage any client or provider to look into local resources
- 11:04that might be able to fill a gap.
- 11:06This could be a mental health association.
- 11:08This could be a grant that supports with co-pays.
- 11:11There are some resources out there, though they can be hard to
- 11:14find.
- 11:14And if we can do things to help bridge the gap for
- 11:18a client to be able to afford care, I think we should.
- 11:22Whether that means in our communities there is a resource or whether
- 11:25that means that we ourselves are able to be that resource.
- 11:30And thirdly, I really like the APA's recommendation in their article of
- 11:34documenting what is happening.
- 11:37Let's really look at this.
- 11:39Let's write down when we have a client that terminates because they
- 11:43can't afford their co-pay.
- 11:44Let's document that.
- 11:45Let's make a note of that.
- 11:46And let's share this information with colleagues who are also providers and
- 11:50patients.
- 11:51Gathering collective data helps us all to see trends and patterns and
- 11:56come up with collective solutions to the barriers we are seeing.
- 11:59It also helps us if we are going to talk to policymakers
- 12:03about changes that we would like to see.
- 12:06So talk to your friends and colleagues.
- 12:08Unity for local providers, I think, is going to be a necessity
- 12:12with all of the market changes that we are facing.
- 12:15And lastly, I want to inspire some creative and out of the
- 12:19box thinking.
- 12:21This is for clients seeking care as well as providers.
- 12:25I don't have all the answers, but the question to ask is
- 12:29what can be done to make this work?
- 12:31Maybe it's a client can come for fewer sessions but not stop
- 12:37entirely.
- 12:37Maybe there are some creative financial solutions that can help.
- 12:41Maybe providers can create programs, look for grants, other ways to fund
- 12:45services.
- 12:46I am not sure, but I know we need to think about
- 12:49this differently.
- 12:50I know that as an industry, we have providers and business owners
- 12:54that care deeply.
- 12:56And I am hopeful that we can find a way to help
- 12:58support client and patient needs while confronting these changes.
- 13:02If you are someone that has found a way to get creative
- 13:07here, to find resources, to do unique things, I would love to
- 13:11hear from you.
- 13:12I'd love to have you on the pod.
- 13:14I would love to hear about how we are looking at creative
- 13:18solutions and for clients too.
- 13:21If you have found a way, if you have figured out how
- 13:24do we budget this?
- 13:25How do we look at our yearly medical budget and make a
- 13:29way?
- 13:29Like what kind of creative ideas are there out there for that?
- 13:32I think that's great too.
- 13:34The bottom line is that mental wellness and mental health care continue
- 13:38to be important to all of us.
- 13:41They're important for our communities.
- 13:43And I hope that as things are changing and things are getting
- 13:46more expensive and financial stresses are really becoming something that people
- 13:52have to think about day to day.
- 13:53Some people have always thought about that day to day.
- 13:55Let's be real.
- 13:56I hope that we can find a way to continue to make
- 13:59mental health care accessible.
- 14:01With that, thank you for listening to today's solo episode.
- 14:05We will continue to build upon this trend with other guests and
- 14:09data so we can look at what is happening and make the
- 14:12best decisions for client care, clinician well-being and business health in
- 14:16our industry.
- 14:17If this topic resonates with you, whether you're a clinician, a practice
- 14:21owner or someone trying to navigate mental health care, we would love
- 14:25to hear your thoughts.
- 14:26We'll be back in the next episode to explore more issues relevant
- 14:31to the mental health care community.
- 14:33Thank you for listening and bye for now.
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- 14:44you're seeing in your corner of the mental health world.
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