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The Bolt Report | 8 September · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Eastward.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight. Coalition infighting as Alex Hawk
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  Speaker 2: speaks against just into Nampa, jimper Price's migration stance, all
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  Speaker 2: of that, of course creating a big problem for Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 1: I'll be joined by my political panel in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: China spits the dummy after Australia engages in security talks
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  Speaker 2: with Japan.
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  Speaker 1: Greg Sheridan with more on that.
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  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi he met with Booze at the AFL, who
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  Speaker 2: would have thought We've got the footage for you soon,
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  Speaker 2: And hundreds of pro Palestinian activists arrested in the UK.
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  Speaker 1: Ester Crack who joins me from London with more on that.
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  Speaker 2: But first Victoria police have said they're yet too and
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  Speaker 2: I quote Crack the nut on growing violence in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: The comment came after two children were murdered as they
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  Speaker 2: walked home near Melton at the weekend. The boys, one
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  Speaker 2: aged fifteen, the other just twelve, hacked to death by
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  Speaker 2: thugs wielding machetes. CCTV footage recorded one of the boys
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  Speaker 2: being chased through the streets before being struck and then
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  Speaker 2: stabbed to death as he laid defenseless on the ground.
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  Speaker 2: His screams were heard by a neighbor who ran to
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  Speaker 2: his aid but was powerless to save his life. And
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  Speaker 2: the police they're still working on that nut. Absolutely shocking,
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  Speaker 2: but hardly surprising. It's just another weekend in Melbourne, the
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  Speaker 2: city now better known for crime and its coffee, or
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  Speaker 2: its gardens, or it's football. Remember Melbourne named most Liverpool
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  Speaker 2: City in the world seven years running from twenty eleven
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  Speaker 2: to twenty seventeen. The city I grew up in, the
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  Speaker 2: city that gave the world this.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody needs good name.
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  Speaker 4: There the little of the storm.
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  Speaker 3: You can find the perfect.
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  Speaker 5: Land name.
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  Speaker 3: Should be there for one another.
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  Speaker 1: But tragically a city now better known for this neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: Indeed, Melbourne, the city that was once the envy of
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  Speaker 2: the world, is fast becoming irretrievable. Here's a very frustrated
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  Speaker 2: Victorian Police Detective Inspector Graham Banks.
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  Speaker 6: It is one of the most horrific crimes in a
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  Speaker 6: substantial and growing list of crimes of this nature. We
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  Speaker 6: have yet to really crack that nut open. That explains
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  Speaker 6: why young male offenders behaving in such a violent and
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  Speaker 6: extreme manner.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we all know the nut is Victorian Premier,
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  Speaker 2: just In to Allen. And if Victorians want to crack
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  Speaker 2: that nut, well there's an election next year. If voters
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  Speaker 2: can survive until then, I mean, Victoria's nutty premier must
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  Speaker 2: be wondering how Saturday nights horrific double murder happened. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: just a week ago she banned machetes. Oh, and more recently,
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  Speaker 2: she'd spent thirteen million dollars on a program facing around
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  Speaker 2: forty five machete amnesty bins right across the state so
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  Speaker 2: criminals could hand in their weapons under the romantic notion
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  Speaker 2: that gang members are desperate to comply with government recycling programs.
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  Speaker 5: These will be at locations right across the state. There'll
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  Speaker 5: be locations where people can come and lawfully dispose of
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  Speaker 5: any machete that they may already have at one of
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  Speaker 5: these bins, safely and securely. And we've done this because
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  Speaker 5: we want to get these knives off the streets, because
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  Speaker 5: these knives destroy lives.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank god she did that. How foolish does she look? Now?
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  Speaker 2: The murdering thugs were supposed to hand their machetes in,
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  Speaker 2: So what went wrong? With that brilliant plan from the
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  Speaker 2: Victorian Premiere. Maybe criminals couldn't find an amnesty bin, or
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  Speaker 2: perhaps they found one of Jacinta Allen's magic bins but
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  Speaker 2: their machetes were just too large.
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  Speaker 7: Victoria's machete amnesty has come into effect, but not without
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  Speaker 7: a hurdle. Ainsley Koss has the details. Am There are
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  Speaker 7: concerns not all machetes actually fit into the bins, Mitch.
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  Speaker 8: That was certainly the experience out at Woodonga today where
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  Speaker 8: a seven years camera crew arrived to see a machete
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  Speaker 8: had been disposed of but the handle was still exposed,
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  Speaker 8: making it easy for someone to take it and potentially
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  Speaker 8: end up in the wrong hands.
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  Speaker 9: Someone can just go grab it and then back on
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  Speaker 9: the street.
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  Speaker 1: Probably need to fix that up. Huh make that kid?
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  Speaker 2: An advisor to the Victorian Premier, The Australian Newspaper reported
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  Speaker 2: to David in the wake of the boy's murder, Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Energy Minister why is the Energy Minister making statements?
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  Speaker 1: Where's the Premier anyway?
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  Speaker 2: Lily Diambrosio defended the government, which he said had taken
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  Speaker 2: significant steps in recent months to crack down on crime.
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  Speaker 2: Labor MPs are great at defending themselves, just not citizens.
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  Speaker 2: They wouldn't even allow Parliament to debate legislation which would
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  Speaker 2: give homeowners more power to defend themselves in the event
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  Speaker 2: of a break in, because well, why would Victorians.
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  Speaker 1: Need to protect their families.
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  Speaker 2: Haven't you heard all the bad guys are queuing up
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  Speaker 2: a machete amnesty bins. Liuly de Ambrosio was asked how
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  Speaker 2: many machetes had been put in the bins, and she replied,
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  Speaker 2: and I quote, that's not known at this point.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to guess.
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  Speaker 2: That's odd because guessing seems to be the foundation of
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  Speaker 2: labor policy.
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  Speaker 1: Let's be honest.
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  Speaker 2: The Labor government didn't spend thirteen million dollars to collect machetes.
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  Speaker 2: They spent thirteen million dollars to look like doing nothing
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  Speaker 2: was doing something.
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  Speaker 1: The fact is, I don't think they care.
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  Speaker 2: At the next election, justinta Allen will run a thousand
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  Speaker 2: scare campaigns on a thousand matters that don't even exist,
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  Speaker 2: while ignoring crime that most certainly does exist.
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  Speaker 1: Let me give you a classic example.
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  Speaker 2: Former Victoria Premier Daniel Andrews rightfully copped a lot of
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  Speaker 2: criticism last week for consorting with dictators and despots in Beijing.
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  Speaker 2: So here's Justinta Allen pretending the criticism was of Chinese Victorians.
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  Speaker 1: There's been a.
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  Speaker 5: Lot of talk about China this week, and amid all
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  Speaker 5: of the talk, my focus is on Chinese Victorians making
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  Speaker 5: sure that they feel welcome and respected here in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: Also two the Chinese Victorian kids who hear all this
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  Speaker 5: talk and it affects them in ways that we just
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  Speaker 5: don't understand.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 5: As Premier, I'll always stand with our multicultural communities and
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  Speaker 5: always respect them. I've stood with you over the course
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  Speaker 5: of this week, and I will always stand and fight
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  Speaker 5: for you and fight against those who try and divide us.
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  Speaker 5: And I do that because it is our great, strong,
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  Speaker 5: multicultural communities and victorians who make this state the great
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  Speaker 5: state that it is.
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  Speaker 2: What's any of that got to do with Dan Andrews
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  Speaker 2: Rather than fixed crime? She pretends the Chinese Victorians are
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  Speaker 2: being vilified and promises to protect them from something that
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  Speaker 2: doesn't even exist. If that doesn't work, she'll hand out
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  Speaker 2: free tampons.
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  Speaker 5: One in five women and girls say they can't afford
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  Speaker 5: to buy pads and tampons each month. That's thousands of
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  Speaker 5: Victorian women who can't fully take part in everyday life.
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  Speaker 5: So we're giving women one less thing to worry about.
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  Speaker 5: Our free vending machines are coming to even more locations
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  Speaker 5: across the state, from museums and stadiums to tapes and libraries.
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  Speaker 5: The Victorians have already received more than ninety thousand packs
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  Speaker 5: of pads and tampons one hundred percent for free, putting
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  Speaker 5: hundreds of thousands of dollars back in their pockets because
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  Speaker 5: pads and tampons aren't a luxury, they're essential.
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  Speaker 2: Free tampons are apparently essential, But you're right to walk
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  Speaker 2: home without being hacked to death.
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  Speaker 1: That's negotiable.
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  Speaker 2: But it's easier to pretend you're the only politician who
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  Speaker 2: cares about women than it is to deal with crime. Incidentally,
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  Speaker 2: I hope they don't waste money putting the tampon machines
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  Speaker 2: next to the machete amnesty bins, because clearly no one
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  Speaker 2: is frequenting them. And if none of that works, well
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  Speaker 2: she'll run a scare campaign about working from home.
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  Speaker 5: If you can do your job from home, we're going
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  Speaker 5: to make it your right because we're on your side.
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  Speaker 2: Well, great, just make sure you're working from home with
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  Speaker 2: reinforced doors and a panic room. So here we are
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  Speaker 2: two boys dead, family shattered, the city in fear, and
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  Speaker 2: a government handing out slogans, bins and tampons while telling
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  Speaker 2: us we're on your side. We'll tell that to the
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  Speaker 2: grieving father.
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  Speaker 10: There's no answer from police, there's no answer from justice.
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  Speaker 10: We keep pulling the cases. Nothing. What I told police
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  Speaker 10: last night, I need an answer from my son. My
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  Speaker 10: son has just gone like this is a basketball player,
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  Speaker 10: it's not a criminal. Stop my community. We don't know
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  Speaker 10: what to do without kids. We come here as a
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  Speaker 10: part of your community. We're not different.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Mahmoud Madai Afnah is dead. May he not rest
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  Speaker 2: in peace. Afana was not just another Hamas Foot soldier.
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  Speaker 2: He was the poster child for what Israel is up against.
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  Speaker 2: This was a man who murdered a Jewish woman and
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  Speaker 2: her husband on October seven, and then thought it would
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  Speaker 2: be fun to ring his parents using her phone. Nothing
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  Speaker 2: says loving son quite like boasting to Mum and dad
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  Speaker 2: that you've killed not one Jew, but ten, and with
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  Speaker 2: your bare hands. He even sent his parents whatsap photos
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  Speaker 2: of the corpses like holiday snaps and what did the
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  Speaker 2: proud parents say, did they gasp in horror? Did they
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  Speaker 2: beg their boy to stop? Did they say, Mahmoud, you've
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  Speaker 2: gone too far? Of course not, They shouted al Akhbah
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  Speaker 2: like he'd just been offered a scholarship to Harvard. This
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  Speaker 2: is what passes for parental pride in Gaza. Normal kids
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  Speaker 2: send home selfies in their graduation gowns Afarna sent his
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  Speaker 2: parents Whatsap photos of the dead Jews.
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  Speaker 1: He left behind Mum the blood on my hands. Aren't
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  Speaker 1: you proud? And she was.
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  Speaker 2: In the almost two years since that horrific attack on Israel,
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  Speaker 2: many have forgotten the evil deeds of that day. The
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  Speaker 2: initial outrage has given way to weariness of war and
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  Speaker 2: the desire for peace by any means. Moral clarity has
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  Speaker 2: been usurped by pragmatism and convenience. And I should say
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  Speaker 2: cowardice as I play you Mahmoud Afarna's phone call to
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  Speaker 2: his mum and dad on October seven, Ask yourself would
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  Speaker 2: you ever have.
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  Speaker 1: Imagined on that day?
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  Speaker 2: But our government less than two years later would respond
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  Speaker 2: by deciding to recognize Palestine. I should warn some viewers
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  Speaker 2: may find this distressing and frankly I'd be worried if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't.
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  Speaker 4: Why ever, I see him.
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  Speaker 1: Talk to Georgia.
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  Speaker 4: I don't be yours times the world more your your
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  Speaker 4: I no want let me get your mom. No trok.
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  Speaker 1: What a charming family.
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  Speaker 2: Well it took seven hundred days, but at the weekend,
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  Speaker 2: the Fanner's bloodlust came to an abrupt end.
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  Speaker 1: The ide f eliminated.
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  Speaker 2: Him, one less monster breathing the same are the rest
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  Speaker 2: of us. And here lies the reason Israel cannot must
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  Speaker 2: not even think about a ceasefire, because Afarna.
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  Speaker 1: Is not an outlier.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't a rogue extremist. He was the fruit of
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  Speaker 2: an extremist mindset that teaches children stabbing a Jew is
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  Speaker 2: worth more than studying for a degree. You don't negotiate
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  Speaker 2: with that. You don't sign a ceasefire with that. You
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  Speaker 2: eradicate that. The world, of course, will ring its hands
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  Speaker 2: and beg Israel to stop.
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  Speaker 1: Both sides need to show restraint.
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  Speaker 2: They'll say, as though slaughtering families and then bragging about
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  Speaker 2: it to your mum and dad is just another perspective
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  Speaker 2: in the great cultural mosaic. Spare me Israel owes it
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  Speaker 2: to the victims of October seven to finish.
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  Speaker 1: What it started.
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  Speaker 2: But more they owe it to the hostages still waiting
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  Speaker 2: to come home, and frankly, they owe it to the world,
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  Speaker 2: because every Mahmoud Afarna eliminated is one less lunatic exporting
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  Speaker 2: his hatred and violence beyond Gaza ceasefire, negotiated settiment with
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  Speaker 2: Hamas recognizing Palestine as a way of arming their grievances.
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  Speaker 2: As Labor MP ed Husick advocates, well, sorry, evil doesn't
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  Speaker 2: get to tap out. Monsters need to be buried, and
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  Speaker 2: until every last Mahmoud Afarna is gone, Israel has no
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  Speaker 2: choice but to keep going.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss the news of the day
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  Speaker 2: as my panel former Victorian Liberal Party President Michael Kroger
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  Speaker 2: and former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy.
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  Speaker 1: Gentlemen, welcome to you both.
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  Speaker 2: I want to start by getting your thoughts on the
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  Speaker 2: ongoing saga surrounding Senator Jacinth and nampajimp for Prices comments
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  Speaker 2: on Indian migration. The issue continues to divide the party,
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  Speaker 2: with Alex Hawk telling Sky News this morning he knows
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  Speaker 2: Senator Price isn't racist, but she needs to show everyone
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  Speaker 2: else she's not racist.
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  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
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  Speaker 11: The damage is ongoing. So if I think if an
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  Speaker 11: apology was offered early on and just a quick walk back,
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  Speaker 11: that would have helped. But there's still time, and I
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  Speaker 11: think the community should hear from her, because I've heard
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  Speaker 11: from her and I believe her. She didn't mean these comments.
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  Speaker 11: She wasn't being racist, but it came out that way.
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, Wise, Alex Hawk actively dragging this out.
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  Speaker 1: He's only making it worse, isn't he.
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  Speaker 12: Well, obviously there are internal issues in relation to these things.
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  Speaker 12: That's just the nature of politics. But let's be clear
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  Speaker 12: about a couple of things. I mean, Price is a
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  Speaker 12: national hero. That's the first thing that should be said. Secondly,
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  Speaker 12: could she have chosen her words a bit more wisely? Yes? Thirdly,
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  Speaker 12: what was she actually trying to say? She was actually
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  Speaker 12: trying to say she doesn't trust the Labor Party with
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  Speaker 12: the immigration system. That's what she was trying to say, indelicately.
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  Speaker 12: And she'd be right there, wouldn't she. I mean, isis
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  Speaker 12: brides are coming back in Christmas time, even though Albannys
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  Speaker 12: he tells the Parliament they're not. We've got three thousand
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  Speaker 12: refugees from Gaza people who are taught from an early
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  Speaker 12: age to hate Jews. And we've just seen that clip.
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  Speaker 12: Labor interfere with the immigration system goes right back to
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  Speaker 12: nineteen seventy five, no doubt before that when and jareded
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  Speaker 12: Henderson's written about this extensively. Whitlam said at a cabinet meeting,
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  Speaker 12: according to Clyde Cameron, which Whitlam didn't deny, he said,
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  Speaker 12: I don't want any more of these Vietnamese bolts coming
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  Speaker 12: to Australia because they're anti communists, and he didn't want
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  Speaker 12: them coming to Australia because he didn't think they'd vote
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  Speaker 12: for the Labor Party. So THEYBA have a long track
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  Speaker 12: record of interfering with the immigration system. And I think
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  Speaker 12: that's what just center Price was trying to say. Having
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  Speaker 12: said that, we had a large influx of Indian members
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  Speaker 12: to the Liberal Parties seven or eight years ago here
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  Speaker 12: in Victoria and they are absolutely fantastic and I wish
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  Speaker 12: there were hundreds more of them because they have They
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  Speaker 12: are fantastic members of the party. Hopefully some will go
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  Speaker 12: into Parliament shortly and they make an incredible contribution to
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  Speaker 12: Australia and world. Under Susan Lee for making that point
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  Speaker 12: to the Indian community yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Stephen Conroy.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe just center Price could have put things a little better.
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  Speaker 2: But are we really going to jump over every person
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  Speaker 2: and jump on top of them if they start to
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  Speaker 2: talk about immigration. If that becomes the norm, we're never
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  Speaker 2: going to be able to have the conversation.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 13: Look, I think unfortunately just the needs to have a
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  Speaker 13: chat with a few people. This is not the first defense.
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  Speaker 13: If you remember, going back a little while, she started
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  Speaker 13: off on abortion debate in the middle of the Queensland
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  Speaker 13: state election. Then she humiliates Dutton in the middle of
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  Speaker 13: the federal election by talking about the Marga story and
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  Speaker 13: then the Marca slogan Dunton standing next to her. And
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  Speaker 13: now she has decided to throw a bomb. Not because
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  Speaker 13: she's racist, I don't believe that. I just think she
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  Speaker 13: literally has no idea how to control the words coming
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  Speaker 13: out of her mouth. She just needs to get back
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  Speaker 13: to her day job prosecuting the case about labor and
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  Speaker 13: her defense portfolio. How about you just talk about that
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  Speaker 13: for a little while, go to Senate estimates and do
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  Speaker 13: your job question the government, hold them to account. Because
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  Speaker 13: you are a rolling hand grenade blowing up your own
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  Speaker 13: colleagues on a regular basis, So how.
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  Speaker 1: About you stick?
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  Speaker 2: Can I ask you, Stephen? Because can I ask you though, Stephen?
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  Speaker 2: Because the Labor Party have ramped this up. Julian Hill
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  Speaker 2: said it was racist what she'd said. You're saying no
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  Speaker 2: one believes she's racist. What she said wasn't racist. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: it was indelicate, maybe it was politically unwise. And yet
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  Speaker 2: it's the Labor Party that are throwing the word racist
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  Speaker 2: out there and making more of this than it is.
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  Speaker 13: Sorry, Alex Hawk picked up the phone. Alex Hawk went
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  Speaker 13: on TV I time I checked. He's not a member
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  Speaker 13: of the Labor Party. He understood the political stupidity of
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  Speaker 13: what you know, Senator Price did. He absolutely understood it intrinsically.
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  Speaker 13: They're a huge community in Australia and I think just
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  Speaker 13: behind the Chinese and to disrespect them and to classic
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  Speaker 13: five the Mauller's labor voters. When I think Michael's right,
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  Speaker 13: they're a very aspirational community. If they're on mass voting
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  Speaker 13: for Labor, it's because there's something wrong with the other
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  Speaker 13: team's product and the little part I have to have
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  Speaker 13: a good harder look at this and Senator Price particularly
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  Speaker 13: needs to just get back to her day job.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Susan Lee and members of her team went on
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  Speaker 2: a walk about to show love to the Indian community
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  Speaker 2: in western Sydney. The love wasn't completely reciprocated. The Daily
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  Speaker 2: Telegraph has reported at least ten businesses represented by a
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  Speaker 2: community group called Little India Businesses Incorporated WILL they boycotted
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  Speaker 2: the coalition leader's visit. They said they wouldn't meet with
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  Speaker 2: Susan Lee without an apology for Senator Price's comments. Michael,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't this demonstrate Senator Price's point You've got ethnic groups
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  Speaker 2: working politically as a block.
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  Speaker 12: Well, I see your point. No, I think that you know,
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  Speaker 12: obviously some people in the community were offended and they're
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  Speaker 12: entitled Will expressed that view. But Susan Lee, as far
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  Speaker 12: as i'm where, as incredibly popular amongst the migrant communities.
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  Speaker 12: You can see by yesterday, she's very popular amongst the
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  Speaker 12: Unio community. She's very popular amongst members of the Victorian
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  Speaker 12: Liberal Party who got Indian background. I mean, there's no
• 20:20
  Speaker 12: one closer to the Indian community in Australia than the
• 20:24
  Speaker 12: Member for Latrobe, Jason Wood. And every time Susan Le
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: ghost or function out there and they are Indians. There
• 20:30
  Speaker 12: are members of Indian background. She's mobbed, so I think
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: she's done the right thing by going. But she's a
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: very popular figure, Susan Lee amongst the Indian community, whether
• 20:43
  Speaker 12: they're members of the party or not.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: Steven, I want to raise another point here, and this
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: worries me and I think a lot of people, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: that is that you can't seem to talk to Australians
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: about Australia anymore.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: You have to talk to the.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Indian community, the Chinese community, the LGBTQ community, the Muslim community,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: the Jewish community. How do we as a nation work
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: together now that we've divided everybody up into competing identity
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: racial groups.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It's a problem.
• 21:13
  Speaker 13: Yeah. Look, unfortunately used to be a national discourse and
• 21:16
  Speaker 13: you know, when we were young, which was a while ago.
• 21:19
  Speaker 13: Now you know the six o'clock news, that was the
• 21:22
  Speaker 13: community discussion, the front pages of newspapers or a community discussion.
• 21:27
  Speaker 13: So you're roughly sort of in the same box, same postcode.
• 21:32
  Speaker 13: But in today's world, with the online activity that everybody,
• 21:36
  Speaker 13: all three of us, i'm sure spent a lot of
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: time looking on our phone and the way the algorithms
• 21:41
  Speaker 13: work is to drive you into a stovepipe. They'll just
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: feed you the information that it's worked out. This is,
• 21:50
  Speaker 13: you know, the person's interest in this, Let's just pump
• 21:52
  Speaker 13: them all this stuff. And so what we've lost there
• 21:55
  Speaker 13: is a common national discourse. I don't think we can
• 21:58
  Speaker 13: turn back the clock on this. I wish could, because
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: we did have a cohesive society. But today when algorithms
• 22:07
  Speaker 13: dictate what we see and what they think we want
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: to see and push it to us, it makes it
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: so much harder to have a common discourse to keep
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: the cohesion of the community.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I get what you're saying about the algorithms. I think
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: that's absolutely true, but I'm not sure it's fair to
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: blame the issue on the algorithms. I think politicians play
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: to this and divide people up and use it for
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: their own advantage, to the detriment of social cohesion and
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: to the nation as a whole. I want to move
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: on from that and talk about former Prime Minister John Howard.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: He said the pursuit of net zero emissions is not
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: worth the price we're paying for it. Here's a clip
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: of his comments that will be broadcast in full with
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Sharry Marxon coming up after my program.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: Have a listen.
• 22:51
  Speaker 9: There's got to be a focus on policy differences and
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: the barnacles, as I used to call them, they've got
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: to be got rid of. I mean, if there's a
• 22:59
  Speaker 9: difference of opinion on net zero, let us resolve it quickly.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Do you have a view and what it should be.
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: I've become a climate change agnostic, and I think the
• 23:12
  Speaker 14: world is making a mistake by sort of going overboard
• 23:16
  Speaker 14: about climate change. But what I mean by that is
• 23:19
  Speaker 14: that I'm not persuaded that the world will come to
• 23:23
  Speaker 14: an end if we don't reduce carbon emissions in a
• 23:27
  Speaker 14: radical way.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: So abound in that zero the twenty.
• 23:31
  Speaker 14: Well, that means that I'm doubtful that net zero is
• 23:34
  Speaker 14: worth the price we're paying for.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Making the leader of the Liberal Party, Michael the coalition's
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: tearing itself apart over energy policy. Is this an unwelcome
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: intervention by John Howard?
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: No, not at all.
• 23:49
  Speaker 12: Any intervention by John Howard is extremely welcome, and as
• 23:53
  Speaker 12: usual with John Howard, he talks absolute sense. The challenge
• 23:57
  Speaker 12: for the opposition federally is to make it clear that
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: this is now an economic issue and not an environment
• 24:03
  Speaker 12: not an environmental issue for Australia, as Chris Hulman's devastating
• 24:08
  Speaker 12: critiques of net zero have shown, not only in his
• 24:11
  Speaker 12: documentary of a couple of months ago, but in his
• 24:14
  Speaker 12: News Proper articles. No one's going to reach this goal.
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: We're not going to reach it. And you know well
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: under the Business Council by the way, for putting a
• 24:22
  Speaker 12: figure on this up to a five hundred billion or more,
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: because the Albanize government refuses to tell the public what
• 24:29
  Speaker 12: this is all costing. I mean, when we're in this,
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: when they're in I think we're in a race to
• 24:33
  Speaker 12: nowhere where we know no one knows what the cost is.
• 24:37
  Speaker 12: So you know, Albaneze he needs ultimately to reign in
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: Chris Bowen because the damage Bowen's doing to this country
• 24:44
  Speaker 12: is immense, particularly for someone who has no qualifications in
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: this field at all. Do you give them a blank
• 24:51
  Speaker 12: check that bone's been given is appalling And ultimately, because
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: we're not going to hit these targets, this will come
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: back and hit Albani and Bowen very hard.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy just quickly. John Howard's got a point, isn't he.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: It's just not worth the exorbitant expense, and we're not
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: making much of a difference to the climate anyway.
• 25:14
  Speaker 13: We'll look in two thousand and seven. John Howard took
• 25:17
  Speaker 13: a climate emissions scheme to the two thousand and seven elections,
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: so it's okay, you know, twenty nearly twenty years later,
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: he suddenly goes, oh, no, I don't believe we need
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: any action in this area. He took a policy when
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: he was Prime Minister of this country to the two
• 25:34
  Speaker 13: thousand and seven election emissions trading scheme, So I think
• 25:39
  Speaker 13: he's got form in now being on both sides of
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: this argnment. When he was leader prime minister, he was
• 25:45
  Speaker 13: a fan of a emissions trading scheme. And answer Michael's
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: points about the Business Council do won't take them seriously anymore,
• 25:53
  Speaker 13: run by a failed little party hack who's plucked some
• 25:56
  Speaker 13: number and trying to pretend that it's sort of economic analysis.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: All Right, we've got to go to a break.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Stephen Conroy, Michael Kroger, thanks for your time.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Stick around coming up after the break. China have a
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: tantrum over Pennywong's trip to Japan, flus disturbing satellite images
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: show China building new naval and air bases in preparation
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for an assault on Taiwan. Greg Sheridan will join me
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: in a moment. Well, welcome back to the program. Joining
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: me now is Foreign editor at The Australian Greg Sheridan. Greg,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Chinese leaders are furious at the decision by Penny Wong
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and Richard Miles to go to Japan last week for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: discussions on increased security cooperation between our two countries. The
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: visit to Japan came just a couple of days after
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: a huge military parade was staged by China. Beijing's anger
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: came to light with an editorial in the state run
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: China Daily, which read, what they what they've done by
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: elevating their so called special strategic partnership is actually stirring
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: up tensions, And it went on to say that Japanese
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: senior ministers didn't stop it, just parroting the hackneyed China
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: targeted phrases from the playbook of the United States. So
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: here's my question, Greg, When the Chinese parade their military hardware,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: that's peaceful. But when we talk to our friends about
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: how to defend ourselves in the event they ever used
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that hardware against us, or we're the one stirring up tensions.
• 27:25
  Speaker 15: Yes, James, great to be with you.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: That's right.
• 27:27
  Speaker 15: The hypocrisy of the Chinese state here, the People's Republic
• 27:31
  Speaker 15: of China, is boundless. They dislike our strategic partnership with Japan.
• 27:39
  Speaker 15: They also dislike that Australia Japan joint communicates typically will
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: say two things. One that we reaffirm our long held
• 27:49
  Speaker 15: position that there should be no unilateral change to the
• 27:52
  Speaker 15: status of Taiwan. That means China should not the PRC
• 27:56
  Speaker 15: should not take military action against Taiwan. And two that
• 28:01
  Speaker 15: we urge the PRC to stop provocative, inflammatory and well illegal,
• 28:09
  Speaker 15: often incursions into Japanese and maritime space with their own
• 28:15
  Speaker 15: military assets. So the PRC makes very provocative air and
• 28:20
  Speaker 15: naval incursions into Japanese waters and airspace and somehow other
• 28:24
  Speaker 15: that's all normal. But if we in the Japanese make
• 28:28
  Speaker 15: a communicate about it, we're the worst people in the world.
• 28:31
  Speaker 15: But the final thought, James, is all of this means
• 28:34
  Speaker 15: obviously we should have a formidable defense force, and we
• 28:36
  Speaker 15: certainly don't have that. So if the worst thing we
• 28:39
  Speaker 15: do to annoy Beijing is issued communicates they don't really
• 28:43
  Speaker 15: have much to be worried about.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: I got to say, though, Greg, I'm surprised at China's
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: reaction because I thought after the PM's trip to China
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: we would have a special kind of relationship with Beijing
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: where they wouldn't get upset by these things.
• 29:00
  Speaker 15: Beijing doesn't really do that. It demands subservience and will
• 29:06
  Speaker 15: occasionally give you a pattern the head for subservience. But
• 29:11
  Speaker 15: as subservient as you are, it's never subservient enough, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 15: the Alberanese government is one of many governments to discover this.
• 29:19
  Speaker 15: So we have taken the Chinese ambassador's advice and the
• 29:25
  Speaker 15: Beijing government's advice. We have not increased our defense budget
• 29:29
  Speaker 15: above the two percent of GDP. There's been a dollar increase,
• 29:33
  Speaker 15: but not above the two percent of GDP. So we've
• 29:35
  Speaker 15: rejected Donald Trump and Washington's request that we pull our
• 29:40
  Speaker 15: weight in defense. We've accepted Beijing's advice. That's the most
• 29:45
  Speaker 15: important thing we could do in Beijing's favor. The government,
• 29:48
  Speaker 15: of course would say we didn't make this decision to
• 29:50
  Speaker 15: please Beijing, but that's what they want. They want to
• 29:53
  Speaker 15: see us with no weapons, and that's not enough.
• 29:56
  Speaker 12: That's not enough.
• 29:57
  Speaker 15: Anthony ALBERANESI will never say boodh a goose about Beijing,
• 30:00
  Speaker 15: won't criticize them under any circumstances.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: But that's not enough.
• 30:04
  Speaker 15: Just merely maintaining the normal relations that we have with
• 30:08
  Speaker 15: Japan and with the Philippines and so forth is enough
• 30:11
  Speaker 15: to earn their eyre. And that's the pattern with Beijing.
• 30:15
  Speaker 15: You know, they are classic bullies, and the more you
• 30:18
  Speaker 15: give into them, the more you're going to get bullied
• 30:20
  Speaker 15: in the future.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: And like you say, we're now well and truly into
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: that pattern. Disturbing satellite images have come to light which
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: appear to show China building new naval and air bases
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: for an invasion of Taiwan. The images show new berths
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: for warships in an airport along the country's eastern coast.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: This comes after months of speculation that China is preparing
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: to mount an attack soon. What do we know about
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: these bases and do they tell us anything about a
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: timeline for a potential attack on Taiwan.
• 30:52
  Speaker 15: Well, we know that the POC has been preparing to
• 30:56
  Speaker 15: take military action against Taiwan for a long time. That
• 30:59
  Speaker 15: doesn't mean they necessarily will. If they could possibly win
• 31:03
  Speaker 15: Taiwan without military action. They would do that, so they
• 31:07
  Speaker 15: would like to intimidate and bluff Taiwan. At the same time,
• 31:10
  Speaker 15: they are really building military capabilities which make all kinds
• 31:14
  Speaker 15: of military operations against Taiwan possible. I mean probably the
• 31:18
  Speaker 15: least likely is a straight out invasion. Very difficult to
• 31:20
  Speaker 15: invade Taiwan, very chopping waters and sheer cliffs and so on,
• 31:24
  Speaker 15: very very difficult to rain to invade. But the China,
• 31:27
  Speaker 15: the PRC, has been building technology to cope with that.
• 31:32
  Speaker 15: On the other hand, they could blockade Taiwan. They could
• 31:35
  Speaker 15: render it into rubble with missile barrages, and the only
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: thing that prevents them from doing that is American military
• 31:43
  Speaker 15: power and to terrence. But Donald Trump, really, there was
• 31:46
  Speaker 15: a headline in the American press the other day. Does
• 31:50
  Speaker 15: the world any longer take Donald Trump?
• 31:52
  Speaker 12: Seriously?
• 31:53
  Speaker 15: This taco syndrome? Trump always chickens out. And how many
• 31:56
  Speaker 15: times has he warned Vladimir Putin who just keeps on
• 32:00
  Speaker 15: bombing and shelling and murdering and killing Ukrainians and nothing happens.
• 32:04
  Speaker 15: So Trump has said once more, Oh gosh, I'm considering
• 32:07
  Speaker 15: tougher sanctions, but I'm just going to have another talk
• 32:10
  Speaker 15: to Vladimir Putin. Well, Putin will tell him is the
• 32:13
  Speaker 15: best looking president he's ever seen, and he should get
• 32:16
  Speaker 15: the Nobel Peace Prize and whatever, and Trump will purr
• 32:19
  Speaker 15: along and do nothing. And this again, I don't want
• 32:23
  Speaker 15: to sound like a broken record, but the lesson out
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: of all this is that everybody, Taiwan, Australia, all American
• 32:29
  Speaker 15: allies should have the maximum military capability of their own
• 32:33
  Speaker 15: so that they have the maximum possible response capabilities because
• 32:39
  Speaker 15: under Trump we just don't know whether America would come
• 32:42
  Speaker 15: to our aid or not. Now American can come to
• 32:45
  Speaker 15: your aid short of sending combat troops as it's done
• 32:48
  Speaker 15: in Ukraine, it can send you material and economic aid
• 32:51
  Speaker 15: and weapons and so forth, and that's absolutely vital. And
• 32:54
  Speaker 15: of course intelligence aid. Like the Ukrainians, we couldn't fire
• 32:57
  Speaker 15: a single weapon if we didn't have American intelligence and
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: telling us where where the targets are. But it's a
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: very very uncertain world, and the Taiwanese have been slow
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: to get their own defenses organized, but they're going at
• 33:10
  Speaker 15: a million miles an hour now, and we have been,
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: of course, criminally insanely slow to do anything about our
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: own defense, and we'll have a national debate in this
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: country about anything except that.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely agree with you, Greg, that the message
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: is loud and clear. It just doesn't seem like our
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: government is listening. Greg Sheridan, always great to talk to you.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Thanks for your time this evening.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Well coming up.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi turned up at the football on the weekend.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Needless to say, not everyone was happy to see him
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and the baseball controversy that's dividing opinion in the United
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: States on how masculinity is best expressed by panel with
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: all of that and more in a moment, well, Prime
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albanese was an enthusiastic spectator at the AFL
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: final between GWS and Hawthorne at the weekend. Not so
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: enthusiastic when his image was broadcast on the big screen.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: However, take a look.
• 34:06
  Speaker 15: It's a little bit nervous for the first time.
• 34:08
  Speaker 7: Maybe just Harby, just Fourthorn fans that have traveled.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Sure that happened.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: After the game, Elbow celebrated in the Hawthorne dressing rooms
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: and got a selfie with coach Sam Mitchell.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Joining me.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Now, history lecturer and author Stephen Sverra and former Labor
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: MP Michael Danby Steven, I've got to say that the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: PM disappeared without even shaking the coach's hand or saying
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: thank you.
• 34:44
  Speaker 16: I think he's probably a weird guy, to be honest,
• 34:47
  Speaker 16: and there's no shortage of such people in politics. He
• 34:50
  Speaker 16: seems to epitomize the kind of politician that has just
• 34:55
  Speaker 16: come through the party machine. It's never really held a
• 34:58
  Speaker 16: real job, never made any anything, doesn't really understand people,
• 35:02
  Speaker 16: has no real rapport with people. And that was a
• 35:05
  Speaker 16: nice sort of snapshot of it. And the fact of
• 35:07
  Speaker 16: the matter is that those boos in the stadium were
• 35:10
  Speaker 16: an indication that Australians are really hurting. This used to
• 35:15
  Speaker 16: feel like the best country in the world, and it
• 35:17
  Speaker 16: just doesn't feel like that anymore. Something has changed and
• 35:20
  Speaker 16: people just feel that Australia is sort of just teetering
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: on the edge of something really terrible. No one knows
• 35:26
  Speaker 16: who's in charge, no one seems to feel that anyone
• 35:30
  Speaker 16: whoever is in charge really cares, and Australians, i think,
• 35:33
  Speaker 16: are increasingly feeling like they are just getting in the
• 35:36
  Speaker 16: way of big visionary projects that politicians and technocrats want
• 35:41
  Speaker 16: to do. Whether it's net zero with its high energy
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: prices and scarred landscape from wind turbines. Whether it's infinity, immigration,
• 35:49
  Speaker 16: whatever it is, Australians just feel that they don't figure
• 35:53
  Speaker 16: in any of the planning at all.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Michael? I mean it's pretty typical
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: of ministers to be booed at sporting events.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Should we read anything into it?
• 36:05
  Speaker 17: Look, the ethnic comedian Fie used to say, how embarrassment,
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: deliberately mispronouncing it, and it's how it was so embarrassing.
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: I mean, people don't like disloyalty. I thought he was
• 36:18
  Speaker 17: a Collingwood supporter. You know, he's got a ninety three
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: seat majority. The Socialists left have got total control of
• 36:28
  Speaker 17: the Labor Party from top to bottom. I volunteered to
• 36:32
  Speaker 17: Louise Milligan four corners to do the research and write
• 36:36
  Speaker 17: the timeline for how they did it if they ever
• 36:37
  Speaker 17: want to run a serious program. But the point is
• 36:40
  Speaker 17: he doesn't seem to care. He looks like a boy
• 36:42
  Speaker 17: lost in a lolly shop these days. The best thing
• 36:45
  Speaker 17: for him to do would be, like I told Kevin
• 36:48
  Speaker 17: Rudd when he visited forty three hospitals one after the
• 36:51
  Speaker 17: other and was on TV too much go away, get
• 36:54
  Speaker 17: off the TV screen, do something serious. People don't want
• 36:58
  Speaker 17: to see you at the football or all of the
• 37:00
  Speaker 17: sporting achievements. They just think that you're having fun while
• 37:04
  Speaker 17: they're suffering.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: You will I agree with that, and to be fair
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: to the Prime Minister, I think he is a Hawthorne supporter.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: But he's been photographed wearing a Collingwood scarf, a Geelong
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: scarf and a Sydney scarf, so he does seem to
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: get around a little bit. Now, I want you wouldn't
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: know if on an issue that's been making that's a
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: fair point and I think a lot of people have
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: drawn that conclusion. I want to get your opinions on
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: an issue that's been making headlines all weekend in America
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: and dividing opinion. Let me set the scene for your.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Dad takes his son to the baseball for his birthday.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: When a ball is hit into the stands, he manages
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: to grab it and give it to his son great dad,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: but then a woman in the grandstand confronts him, claiming
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: she got to the ball first.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Here's how it went down.
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: Now, Well, some people have praised the dad for de
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: escalating the situation by handing over the ball to the
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: baseball Karen. After all, it's just a baseball. Others have
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: accused him of being will a failing rather stand up
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: for his kids. Here, he was interviewed later.
• 38:23
  Speaker 18: I decided to give her the ball. I apologize to you,
• 38:27
  Speaker 18: but it was the right thing. We just wanted her
• 38:31
  Speaker 18: to go away. Yeah, and it worked out. You got
• 38:34
  Speaker 18: a bat. Yeah, pretty cool. Like I said, it's you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 18: that was what we were there for. We were there
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: to get a home run ball. So I thought I
• 38:48
  Speaker 18: had accomplished this great thing. And putting in his glove
• 38:51
  Speaker 18: meant a lot. And she was just so adamant and
• 38:57
  Speaker 18: loud and yelling and persistent, and I just didn't want
• 39:01
  Speaker 18: to deal with it anymore.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: All right, Steven, Was he a good dad or a
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: bad dad? It doesn't make sense.
• 39:07
  Speaker 16: He gave that ball over very easily, and I suspect that,
• 39:09
  Speaker 16: in actual fact, he knew he did something pretty low.
• 39:12
  Speaker 16: I'm not saying he snatched out of a hand or anything,
• 39:14
  Speaker 16: but I have a feeling he knew that that ball
• 39:16
  Speaker 16: was kind of rightfully hers. He ran about ten meters
• 39:18
  Speaker 16: over to get it. A stronger, younger man, much faster
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  Speaker 16: than her. He took it from her. Not a very
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  Speaker 16: chivalrous thing to do. Look, she came after because she
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  Speaker 16: was pretty angry. In all honesty, I think the classy
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  Speaker 16: thing to do was for him to have if he
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  Speaker 16: thought he got it fair and square. No self respecting
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  Speaker 16: father would have given that ball over, would have taken
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  Speaker 16: it from his son and given it over. I don't
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  Speaker 16: know that he thought he got it fair and square.
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  Speaker 16: What she should have done after he gave it back
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  Speaker 16: was handed to the boy and show the boy what
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  Speaker 16: real class looks like.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she certainly wasn't going to do that.
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  Speaker 2: And Michael, his father, has copped all sorts of criticism
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  Speaker 2: for failing to teach his kids to stand up for
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: themselves and for not standing up for them as a
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  Speaker 2: father should.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think, Well, I don't agree with Steven.
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  Speaker 17: I think this is the nationalization of America. I've been
• 40:06
  Speaker 17: at the footy and there's a ball come over the
• 40:08
  Speaker 17: fence and all of us have grabbed and whoever grabbed
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  Speaker 17: ardit for it kept it. I mean, everyone has a
• 40:13
  Speaker 17: disputed claim to that baseball. And I think that's a
• 40:16
  Speaker 17: shocking thing that he did to his son. Took it
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  Speaker 17: off him. He said, the whole purpose of going there
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  Speaker 17: was to put it in his baseball glove. That was
• 40:23
  Speaker 17: why they all went to the baseball Shame on him.
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  Speaker 2: It's certainly divided opinion in the US, and neither the
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: or the baseball Karen of even here, no one's come
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  Speaker 2: out of it, well, not even the boy, although I
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: must say the boy got given the baseball bat from
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: the Phillies team, so in the end it was okay.
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  Speaker 2: Stephen Shavera Michael Danby, appreciate you joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 1: We'll stick around. Coming up after the break.
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  Speaker 2: Hundreds arrested in the UK for supporting a terror group
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  Speaker 2: and a man arrested for driving what appears to be
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: a Formula one cut on the highway. Ester Crak, who
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  Speaker 2: is up next, welcome back, joining me now from London
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  Speaker 2: is writer and broadcast to Esther Crak wh Esther, thanks
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  Speaker 2: for your time tonight. I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 2: about police in the UK. They've confirmed nearly nine hundred
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  Speaker 2: people who are arrested in London at the weekend during
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  Speaker 2: a march in support of the now banned group Palestine Action.
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  Speaker 2: Eight hundred and fifty seven people arrested under anti terror laws.
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  Speaker 2: Another thirty three arrested for offenses including assaults on police officers. Now,
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: this group was prescribed a terror organization in July after
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: acts of vandalism, including against planes at a military air base,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: causing an estimated ten million dollars worth of damage. How
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  Speaker 2: are these people so happy to openly support a terror group.
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  Speaker 19: Because they know that they will never ever see a
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  Speaker 19: prison cell most likely. So this group, Palestine Action Group,
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  Speaker 19: was for the last year or so the government has been.
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  Speaker 3: Really tossing up whether to prescribe them as a terrorist group.
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  Speaker 19: And then in June, when they vandalize Arif Bryce Norton,
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  Speaker 19: which is a military air base here in the UK,
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  Speaker 19: the government decided. Then Home Secretary or Interior Minister that
• 42:14
  Speaker 19: Cooper decided no, this is enough.
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  Speaker 3: They're prescribed terrorist group.
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  Speaker 19: Now the problem with doing that is one, you put
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  Speaker 19: them on par with groups like al Qaeda, which you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 19: get all sorts of foreign terrorists funding. This is just
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  Speaker 19: basic in national nuisance. If that they still have to
• 42:30
  Speaker 19: be dealt with, but it's quite hard legally speaking to
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  Speaker 19: put them on par with actual Islamist groups. But the
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  Speaker 19: second point is you embolden their supporters who feel completely
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  Speaker 19: outraged at any given time.
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  Speaker 3: In England and Wales.
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  Speaker 19: Since basically two thousand and seven, we haven't had more
• 42:45
  Speaker 19: than one hundred free prison spaces in men's or really
• 42:48
  Speaker 19: women's prisons, and most.
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  Speaker 3: People know this.
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  Speaker 19: You know, we're at a point where we've been letting
• 42:53
  Speaker 19: out people early criminals, early rapists and all sorts of
• 42:56
  Speaker 19: violent criminals early, which is a controversy that Kistama's government
• 42:59
  Speaker 19: has had to deal with earlier this year because they're
• 43:02
  Speaker 19: just not a enough prison spasis. Successive governments have just
• 43:04
  Speaker 19: not built enough prison so they know that when police
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  Speaker 19: are making.
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  Speaker 3: Nine hundred odd arrests a day, these people, even though
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: late legally they're supposed to see about six.
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  Speaker 19: Months prison time, which I still think is too little,
• 43:14
  Speaker 19: they're probably not going to So what has happened is
• 43:17
  Speaker 19: you have the government basically aggregating this situation by prescribing
• 43:20
  Speaker 19: this group as a terrorist organization and then the building
• 43:23
  Speaker 19: their supporters, and then you have newspaper covers literally our
• 43:26
  Speaker 19: kid you not being festooned with images of old women
• 43:30
  Speaker 19: like pensioners being dragged by all fours by the police.
• 43:34
  Speaker 19: And these are making headlines and it's a bit of
• 43:36
  Speaker 19: a nightmare for the government. But the question is how
• 43:39
  Speaker 19: was the best way to handle this, and clearly this
• 43:41
  Speaker 19: hasn't been it because it's basically had the opposite effect.
• 43:44
  Speaker 19: Now almost every weekend you're seeing these Palestine Action Group supporters,
• 43:48
  Speaker 19: you know, going around London and other cities in the
• 43:51
  Speaker 19: country to show their support for what is now a
• 43:54
  Speaker 19: terrorist organization.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a real problem there, having prescribed them
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: as a rist organization and people are ignoring the government.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: They can't wind it back, so they're kind of stuck.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: I want to move on to talk about transgender issues
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: and the UK government. It's been revealed new guidance has
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: been introduced at the UK's College of Policing which says
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: trans women are at risk of female genital mutilation and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: need to be protected.
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  Speaker 1: The inclusion of biological.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Males in this has of course attracted backlash and has
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: been labeled as insulting to real victims.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Get this.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Here's the guidance introduced in August. The guidance states that
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: as well as women and girls, these orders protect any
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: other person who has female genitilia and is at risk
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: of harm from these practices and procedures. This includes intersex
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: non binary trans men and women with or without a
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: gender recognition certificate esther how insulting and inappropriate is this
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: bearing in mind real victims of this awful practice.
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  Speaker 19: I mean, it's not only insulting, it's the ultimate form
• 44:58
  Speaker 19: of cognitive dissonance.
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  Speaker 3: And the College of Policing has.
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  Speaker 19: Said that they're going to revisit this guidance following the
• 45:03
  Speaker 19: Supreme Court ruling.
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  Speaker 3: You can really tell that they don't have any group
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: with reality.
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  Speaker 19: Because why does it take a Supreme Court ruling to
• 45:09
  Speaker 19: tell you what everyone knows and has known this probably
• 45:11
  Speaker 19: the day they were born, that men are not women
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  Speaker 19: and there is no one that can have female genitalia
• 45:15
  Speaker 19: other than females. And just to put this into context,
• 45:19
  Speaker 19: you know, it's estimated that about ninety nine percent of
• 45:21
  Speaker 19: women in Somalia undergo female female genital mutilation, which is
• 45:26
  Speaker 19: a massive problem. You know, we have an issue here
• 45:28
  Speaker 19: in the UK where you have girls of Somalia and
• 45:30
  Speaker 19: they're a trained descent that when they go back to
• 45:34
  Speaker 19: their countries of origin on holiday or whatever, you know,
• 45:36
  Speaker 19: some of them undergo this procedure and it's become a
• 45:39
  Speaker 19: massive problem for policing in the UK because it's one
• 45:41
  Speaker 19: of those things that they have to tackle in a
• 45:43
  Speaker 19: very sensitive manner. It kind of confront all sort of
• 45:47
  Speaker 19: cultural issues in that regard. So for the College of
• 45:49
  Speaker 19: Policing knowing the difficulty that you know, police officers even
• 45:52
  Speaker 19: have trying to prosecute this and keeping victims safe. So
• 45:55
  Speaker 19: then say, oh, actually a man that feels like a
• 45:57
  Speaker 19: woman could also be a risk of GM is utterly ridiculous.
• 46:02
  Speaker 19: Even try and draw parallels with male circumcision is completely ridiculous,
• 46:07
  Speaker 19: and it shows.
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  Speaker 3: No knowledge rooted in any sort of actual biology.
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Honestly, every time you think we've hit peak stupid, they
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: go and do something even stupid.
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  Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Speaking of which, an utterly bizarre story where a man
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: has been evading police in the Czech Republic for years,
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: but he's finally been caught in His crime is being
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: suspected of speeding on motorways in a fake formula one car,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: earning in the nickname Phantom Ferrari.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: Take a look at this.
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  Speaker 8: Esther.
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  Speaker 2: They've been trying to catch this guy since twenty nineteen.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: They've finally got him.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean this is hilarious. So this is actually
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: a check.
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  Speaker 19: Driver in his fifties who was finally called after a
• 47:06
  Speaker 19: six year chase. And I'm not surprised as taking six
• 47:09
  Speaker 19: years because apparently that car can go up to two
• 47:10
  Speaker 19: hundred miles per hour, but they called him about ninety
• 47:14
  Speaker 19: miles southwest of the city of Prague.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: He actually has a.
• 47:17
  Speaker 19: YouTube channel with his son, and the reason why his
• 47:19
  Speaker 19: car is illegal to drive on roads like most race
• 47:22
  Speaker 19: cars are, is because they're not registered and they don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 19: have a license plate.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: So basically the police have been searching.
• 47:26
  Speaker 19: For six years for this phantom car that's been going
• 47:29
  Speaker 19: at average of about one hundred and forty miles per
• 47:31
  Speaker 19: hour regularly on check roads for years. And it's quite
• 47:35
  Speaker 19: funny actually, because the sun and the driver have complained
• 47:38
  Speaker 19: that this was police overreached. You should have seen the
• 47:41
  Speaker 19: arm murder of helicopters and sort of police savilians that
• 47:44
  Speaker 19: they used to finally catch this individual, who I'm sure
• 47:47
  Speaker 19: has been making a mockery of check police for.
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  Speaker 1: Ester.
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  Speaker 2: I I got it a bit. I find it hard
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: to get upset about. I kind of admire the guy
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and I think it's kind of cool. I'd love to
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: see that whizzing past me. I appreciate you joining me tonight.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: Esther crag who thanks so much and thanks for your
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: company tonight. But don't go anywhere because coming up in
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: just a moment, Sharry Markson with that exclusive interview with
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: former Prime Minister John Howard. It's worth waiting around to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: watch that. She's up now. Goodnight,