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Mark Martin Talks NASCAR Lawsuit, Playoffs vs Points, Greg Biffle, & His New Weekly Podcast | Mark Martin Archive · Kenny Wallace Media

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  In 4 short years we have really grown.
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  Charlie Marlow and myself are very proud to bring you our
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  newest show on the Kenny Wallace Media Platform.
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  Here it is. All right, hello everybody.
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  This is Charlie Marlow with Kenny Wallace Media.
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  And we have a very big, very special announcement.
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  And I'm going to throw it out to the stars of this announcement.
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  We have Mark Martin and his son Matt Martin.
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  Take it away, guys. Tell everybody about the big
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  news. Well, we've been, Matt and I
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  have been talking about doing a podcast for about 2 1/2 years
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  now and the opportunity never really came up.
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  And we had this crazy thing that happened on X the other day that
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  just kind of set it on fire. And so we're excited to announce
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  that we're going to be doing a weekly podcast and we're going
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  to do a lot different than a lot of the podcasts out there.
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  We're going to, we're going to talk about old stories, old
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  racing, very historical stuff, not only with me, but a little
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  bit with, with others, but also talk about, you know, our book
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  and a little bit about current events as well.
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  Yeah, I've been wanting Dad to do this podcast for a couple
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  years now, so it's exciting to finally get this launched.
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  But like Dad said, you know, it mainly be historical content,
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  but we'll touch on I think current events a little bit
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  every now and then, but mainly be stuff from his career so.
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  And so people know the the full video will be on YouTube on the
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  Kenny Wallace YouTube channel. We'll have clips on this Mark
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  Martin archive YouTube channel, which you guys are building up,
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  which is going to be really, really cool.
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  And then for the audio podcast version that will be on Kenny
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  Wallace Media's podcast feed. Just so and, and we'll
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  reannounce that because I know it's kind of hard to get all
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  that info right there, but you kind of touched on it guys.
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  But why do you think 2026 here? Because I'm sure Mark and Matt,
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  people have asked you, hey, let's do a podcast over the last
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  several years. Why do you think this is the
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  perfect year to do 1 coming up? I think that Matt and I are just
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  ready. We've discussed it for a long
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  time and it seems like that this is a good time to do it because
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  now that the lawsuit's settled, it's time to get down to
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  business in NASCAR. We've got a lot of things coming
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  up in 20/20/26. I expect a lot of changes and I
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  am expecting a turn in in the right direction for the classic
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  race fans. Those are the ones that I've
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  been fighting for. And so I think that's, I think
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  that's one, one thing. But the other thing is there's
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  so much cool backstories. A lot of people seem to be
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  interested in technical aspects that that aren't discussed very
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  often. And you know, I'm like this
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  savant of technical stuff. I know nothing about anything
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  else, but I can tell you the springs, the shocks, the the
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  tire compounds that you know, the arrow packages or numbers or
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  whatever. And people seem to love that,
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  you know, because it's so different than it is today.
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  All of that stuff nowadays is done, you know, with simulation
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  and pull down machines and all those different things.
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  So we have just an enormous amount of content to bring that
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  is different than your normal podcast.
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  Yeah, basically all that I'm going to do is I'm going to
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  throw the ball up on the air and he's going to hit it.
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  So he's got an insane amount of stories and stuff that he can
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  talk about. So it's going to be fun.
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  But, you know, also the reason why next year is, you know, kind
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  of the right time for us is we've got his, you know, book,
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  his autobiography coming out in the summer.
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  So you can kind of look at the podcast as almost like a
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  supplement to that as well, so. Very cool.
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  So Mark, you touched on this and this is where my idea at least
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  also for the for the podcast came about as I saw on X the
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  other day and you were talking with a race fan and and we'll
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  get obviously the tragedy with with Greg Biffle in a second.
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  We were kind of honoring and talking about Greg Biffle and
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  somebody put a a picture up there of it was, I believe,
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  Darlington 2005, 2006. It was Greg Biffle, it was Jeff
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  Gordon, and you could really tell the difference in the
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  height of the cars there. And then as you said, Mark
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  Martin, you got into being Mr. Technical and explained it all.
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  So give everybody a little bit of that story.
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  Well, that was during the the Five team program at Roush's and
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  obviously we debriefed and we shared information with all five
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  teams. So, you know, I knew what, what
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  everybody was running or especially Greg, because at this
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  time Greg and and we're really all the guys, but Greg was and
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  Doug Rickard had this thing worked out where they could get
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  their left front lower than anyone else at Roush's.
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  They had a 450 spring, £450 left front spring, Renton spring that
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  would travel a lot. All of us had one of those by
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  the way. But Doug had figured out a way
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  when it cool bound for it to slip around in the bucket a
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  little bit and get even extra low.
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  They won a load of, you know, intermediate race tracks races
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  with that package. And you know, we knew what they
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  were doing and it was a slight advantage probably over the rest
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  of us because they were getting a little bit lower than the rest
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  of us could. But the six car was always
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  scrutinized heavier then then it seemed like any of the other
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  teams. We weren't brave enough to try
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  to replicate that with the six car.
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  But it was just fun because you could see it right there on the
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  racetrack. And I immediately remembered the
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  spring. That's the setup and everything
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  and us looking at that and and you know, my team and I decided,
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  yeah, we'll just watch that, watch them do that.
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  They always pass tech after the race so they were legal.
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  Some some good old school memories there with with Greg
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  Biffle, your former teammate. Obviously the the tragedy couple
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  weeks ago. The the NASCAR world is is still
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  in shock. Mark and Matt, just give us your
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  thoughts on on what took place a couple weeks ago and celebrating
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  Biff. Well, the the loss is is tragic
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  to lose Greg himself, but it hits even harder when you lose
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  children and and a family and you know everyone that was on
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  board a father, son, you know, duo as well.
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  It you know, it just hits even harder.
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  It hits Matt and I harder because we lost, you know, my
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  dad and his wife and, and my step sister who was 11 years old
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  and the same kind of aviation accident.
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  So it really, really hits hard. I'm a, you know, I'm a pilot.
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  I've flown citations 90% of my entire flying career.
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  So I'm very familiar with the, the aircraft and, and procedures
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  and whatnot. And it's really tough.
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  It's not something I want to go into detail until the, the, the
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  total facts come out. But it's heartbreaking, you
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  know, to know the aircraft and the, you know, and to know that,
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  you know, you train for every emergency you can think of.
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  And you know, they're all, you know, they're all situations
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  that are survivable until you stack.
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  And that's what almost all aviation accidents are.
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  They're not 11 misstep or one break of a regulation, or one,
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  you know, one problem. It's accumulation.
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  It's accumulation that stacks up.
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  And so for the pilots out there, it's extra difficult because,
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  you know, we've been in those kinds of situations in
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  simulators or in training, and it's just just such a
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  heartbreak. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's
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  just awful. I mean, you know, it's hard to
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  believe that he's gone because, you know, me and Dad just saw
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  him last year at the Lime Rock Park event that I Rock had.
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  And I mean, it's just awful. And it's like me and Dad talked
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  about. I mean, it's, it's really mind
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  boggling when you think about all the different figures and
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  people on in racing, NASCAR specifically that have been lost
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  in aviation accidents. I mean, it's, I don't know, it's
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  just unbelievable. Any stories come to mind, guys?
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  Obviously, Mark, he's a teammate of yours, that Roush, great race
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  car driver, one of NASCAR's top 75.
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  He won a trucks championship, He won what we're now calling the
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  O'Reilly Auto Parts Series championship, second in Cup.
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  So a great career on the track. And then you can certainly make
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  the argument a, a better career post racing with what he was
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  doing with the humanitarian work and flying the helicopter
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  missions into the, the mountains with Hurricane Helene.
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  And he had just kind of become a YouTube and, and hanging out
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  with Cletus and, but, but especially the humanitarian work
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  and being able to fly planes and helicopters and help people.
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  It seemed like that really, really mattered to him.
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  Yeah, that that was a really neat chapter in his career or in
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  his life, you know, something that I never really saw coming.
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  I knew Greg, you know, from the beginning of, of driving the
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  truck for Jack Roush, coming right from Late Models and
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  jumping right in. He's such an incredible talent,
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  but he was also a good dude. He was a good teammate, always
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  fantastic. I have, you know, obviously I
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  have one great memory of 2005 Homestead where I just, you
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  know, I had a car that could get beside him, but I just couldn't
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  clear him. And we had a epic, epic 20 lap
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  battle at the end of the race and he beat me at the finish
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  line by about 3 feet, 2 1/2 or three feet.
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  So it was an incredible, incredible finish.
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  But also, I remember, I think it was that same year at Kansas, I
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  think it was. And we, we beat, beat him and he
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  ran 2nd. And I knew he was hot on my
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  trail. And Biffle said after the race,
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  he said I can see him up there. He said I was, I was laughing,
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  you know, 'cause I can see him up there fighting that thing,
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  you know, he said I just couldn't catch him.
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  And it was just, it was just a cool moment.
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  You know, we had we had some great races and you know, he won
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  a bunch of races in that 16 Cup car when I was his teammate and
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  I knew, knew everything that he had in his car and, and just
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  just was amazed at the performance that he and Doug and
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  his team were able to squeeze out of that 16 car.
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  Yeah, it's been a tragic offseason.
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  It it's been a a weird offseason.
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  It in a, in a way it feels like there hasn't really been in
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  offseason because essentially the, the second after the season
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  ends, you have this lawsuit, you had a trial for a couple of
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  weeks, ended a couple of weeks ago and NASCAR ends up settling.
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  So it's a, it's a win for the teams.
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  They get permanent charters. Just give me your take on on all
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  of it. The the lawsuit over the last
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  year or so and also the trial and and settlement.
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  Well, I think it was win for everyone.
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  It was a win for the fans. It was a win for NASCAR to get
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  it behind them and and it was a win for the teams.
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  I can't think of a better, you know, resolution to the lawsuit.
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  I really dreaded it. I really was afraid of what was
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  going to happen with our sport going forward.
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  And I I, you know, I feel really good about it now.
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  I feel great. It's behind us.
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  I think it was a great outcome for the fans.
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  And now it's time to to get back to the sport that we love so
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  much. And I'm I'm cautiously
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  optimistic about the direction of things that are to come in
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  two thousand 2026. And we, we can't not mention the
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  points and, and the playoffs, but we kind of talked about this
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  off air and we said, because we know Mark Martin is Mr. full
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  season points, we can't do a little tease of a podcast and
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  not at least bring it up. People are going to say, wait,
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  why aren't we talking about this?
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  But we kind of thought, hey, should we wait until the
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  announcement? It, it seems like guys, there's
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  going to be an announcement coming up here in early January.
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  Who knows, maybe it's next week and, and we'll see what it's all
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  about. We, we know it's going to
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  change. We don't know exactly.
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  I mean, maybe you guys do, but we kind of said we should wait,
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  right? Yeah, we've definitely got to
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  wait. Yeah, I wouldn't get your hopes
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  up though. Yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm not super
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  optimistic about where that I was involved in, in the, in the
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  in the committee and in the beginning was the only one that
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  was, I was screaming, you know, about it and I wasn't doing it
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  for me. I was screaming about it because
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  they asked me to be on it and because everywhere I go and
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  every fan I talk to hates play offs.
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  I'm sorry. And we, it's a, it's a 7525
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  issue, except if you, you throw in the full season or A10 race,
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  if you combine those, 275% of the race fans want that.
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  And so one of those two. And so look, I, I, you know,
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  I'm, I'm a guy that has a bigger voice than those fans.
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  And so I decided I owe my entire career to the race fans that
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  supported me so much. So I stood up for the fans and
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  through the the meetings, I can't believe it.
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  But eventually a full season was on the table.
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  We don't have the, you know, the committee has no influence, you
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  know, or no say in what the final thing is.
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  But in the beginning it wasn't on the table.
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  I don't think it would have ever been on the table because, I
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  mean, he was like a battering ram.
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  I mean, like, seriously, you know, I don't think if it wasn't
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  for him that it would even be really discussed at this point.
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  And I don't think we'll get it still, but, but I, I am very
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  impressed that it's on the table, that it's actually a
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  consideration. I don't know what we'll get.
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  I hope that I'm not crushed and I hope it's something that that
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  I, you know, that's in the right direction.
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  Obviously it will be in the right direction.
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  We're not going to have a one race winner take all kind of,
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  you know, situation like that. So it will be an improvement,
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  but anything less than A10 Race Chase format, I'm, I'm not, the
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  fans are not going to, you know, there's only 20 or 25% in that.
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  And I just don't think that we should, I think we should put
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  more emphasis on what our fans, our core fans want and less
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  emphasis in chasing TV ratings. TV ratings are important, but
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  we've chased them for 20 years now and they've gone down
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  consistently for 20 years. It's time to quit chasing them
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  and just go back to chasing the race fan.
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  And I believe it's time to start selling tickets to these races,
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  putting people back in the stands, if that.
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  And for me, if that means cutting the ticket prices, good,
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  just sell some more hot dogs and, you know, and beers and,
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  and and drinks fill these places back up and get this thing back
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  to a family shared sport where the kids watch the races with
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  their with their dads, you know, as a family.
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  Yeah, here I was saying we, we won't talk about the points and,
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  and now we are, I think people love this.
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  I, I do want to have a follow up on this though, 'cause I think
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  everybody's assuming it's not going to be full season points,
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  but do you take pride that you've clearly made a dent?
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  Because I agree with you. It seemed like there was no
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  chance of full season points. And then it was reported that I
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  was on the table, which in a weird way, I think is almost for
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  the fans. In a way.
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  It could be worse if you get people's expectations up and
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  then they don't get it. But I also wonder the fact that
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  you guys have made an impact and maybe it doesn't happen this
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  time, but maybe the next time it's on the table.
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  I, I, I I do think that this is now so much more legitimate of
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  taking place than it ever was before.
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  I do too and I am proud and you know, I, I just, I think that if
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  we can start making a turn with with with the, with the points
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  format and many other things, many other decisions, it's been
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  made in the in, you know, at NASCAR, if we can just start,
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  begin the turn, you know, in the right direction.
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  We had to. Build momentum, I think if you.
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  Yeah. That you know.
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  Then you know it. It'll get.
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  Better, yeah. And I, I forgot to mention here,
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  I'm, I'm in St. Louis, MO here home of home of
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  Kenny Walls and it was 70° yesterday and it's like 15° this
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  morning. I think people can see a little
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  bit in the background. Tell people where you're at
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  these days and and how nice it is there.
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  We're in California right now and it's going to be 73 today.
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  It's really beautiful. This is a great time of year to
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  come out. We come out here, you know,
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  around Christmas and stay out here usually until March or so.
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  Matt's going back in a couple weeks to Arkansas.
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  Yeah, I'm here for Christmas and New Year's, and then after that
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  I'm going back to the cold weather.
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  So yeah. Well, Matt's got a lot of things
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  to handle back in back in Arkansas.
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  We've got all kinds of things going on. 2026 is going to be
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  insane. I hope that I hope I don't short
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  circuit because there is, we have so many things that have
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  been so many even years in the works finally starting to all
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  come together and they're all going to hit in 2026.
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  So we're going to be overwhelmed with cool stuff going on.
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  Lots of content for our social medias, lots of content for, you
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  know, for a podcast, but you know, our Instagrams and and
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  Facebook and X and everything else as well.
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  As far as the podcast and YouTube stuff, you know, just
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  for the first couple months, you know, we'll record it, you know,
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  just like this just over computer and everything.
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  But we've been working on a studio that'll be really
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  professional. I mean it it's really going to
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  look great. So but we're still working on
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  that. So it'll probably be, you know,
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  couple months for that's done, but just be looking forward to
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  that. Yeah, and and part of the reason
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  I brought up the RVI think people know you guys RV all over
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  the country and when you're at Kenny Wallace's house, they got
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  to see one of the RV's there. And and we know you travel a
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  lot. So this is no drama, no stress
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  if you're traveling somewhere all over the country.
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  We already got the great Rick Mast and he and I will will fill
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  in when you guys are are doing all of your travels across the
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  country. I'm really excited about having
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  Rick Mast a part of this Rick is is so precious to me.
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  Such a great competitor. He and I had a great
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  relationship. Of course, neither one of us
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  ever put a Fender on on anybody. I think one time at Charlotte we
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  were practicing, it was 1987. I was still, I was in the 31
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  Lawmaster Bush car and he was in the blue 22 car of his own.
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  And we were running at Charlotte in practice and somehow or
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  another I got into him going into Turn 3, just misjudged it
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  for crying out loud. And he spun.
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  We were still running glass windshields back then.
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  And he turned around backwards. The windshield flew out of his
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  car. I remember just, I can see it
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  happening right now. And I was so sick.
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  But I was just, you know, trying to get a good angle into the
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  corner and actually touched him in the quarter panel.
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  And yeah, we didn't have any problems about that.
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  He didn't. Thank God he didn't hit the
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  wall. He was able to put a new
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  windshield in his car and get back at it.
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  But Rick is a cool dude. He will do some great shows when
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  we're not able. And so we'll have all the
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  podcast content again, and I'll just tell people one more time.
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  So full video on Kenny Wallace YouTube, you have the clips on
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  the Mark Martin Archive YouTube channel, which will build up.
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  You have the audio podcast that's going to be on Kenny
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  Wallace Media. And then Matt, tell people about
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  back at the the shop, the garage in Arkansas, what you got some
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  cars you can do some other really cool content as well
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  there. Yeah.
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  So we're building the shop there in Arkansas and that's where the
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  podcast studio will be. But we'll also have to dad's
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  race winning Valvoline cars in there.
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  And so we'll be able to to showcase those and then we'll of
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  course have a lot of his trophies and fire suits racing,
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  you know, memorabilia from his career.
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  So that whole space will be, I mean, there'll be a lot of
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  opportunities for content there. So really looking forward to
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  getting that done. It's like I said it, it may be,
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  you know, March or April or something before that's
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  complete, but it's really going to be a neat space.
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  All right, I got to ask you about this.
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  Everybody knows about Mark and and Gucci Mane.
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  OK, But I follow both of you guys on social media and I see
• 24:23
  Matt will will post a video of like Slayer.
• 24:26
  So, So Matt, are you, are you kind of the heavy metal guy and
• 24:29
  dad's the rap guy, or do you guys both kind of dabble a
• 24:32
  little bit of everything? I don't like rap hip hop at all.
• 24:36
  I despise it. I mean, you know, like some of
• 24:41
  like the old school, like Cypress Hill and stuff is, is
• 24:45
  OK. And I do like some of Biggie
• 24:47
  songs and everything, but really like that.
• 24:50
  What I'm into is always liked, you know, really heavy,
• 24:54
  aggressive, extreme music. I mean, I, I like other things
• 24:58
  too. I mean, I, I like, you know,
• 25:00
  Waylon Jennings and Dave Allen Coe and and stuff like that.
• 25:05
  And I like a lot of the the 90s grunge stuff, but I've always
• 25:09
  been like, into really aggressive, like heavy wild
• 25:14
  music. So yeah, I can, I can go on a
• 25:18
  long rant about all that stuff. I mean, I'll nerd out about
• 25:21
  about music. And Mark, are you, are you
• 25:24
  mostly rapper a little bit everything also?
• 25:28
  I, I mean, I love, love, love my rap stuff.
• 25:33
  Love it. It's what I listen to every day
• 25:36
  that I work out during my workout.
• 25:39
  But I pay play 70s, I've got a 70s channel that I play in the
• 25:44
  shop because people the phone rings and or people come in and,
• 25:50
  you know, I can't be playing that rap, you know, like that.
• 25:54
  My favorite kind of rap especially is pretty rough.
• 25:56
  So yeah, I like that. But I have really broad music
• 26:02
  tastes. I mean, I was, you know, people
• 26:07
  like or artists like Rick James and, and you know, really had an
• 26:12
  influence on me. I really liked the funk, his
• 26:16
  style of funk. Prince was one of the greatest
• 26:20
  artists, artists of all time. But you know, I hated love
• 26:26
  songs, but Al Green make me love a love song.
• 26:29
  You know, I listen to Al Green when I was 16 years old, 15
• 26:32
  years old, you know, along with ZZ Top and Aerosmith.
• 26:37
  So, you know, I'm, I'm kind of all over the place.
• 26:40
  I'm sure I have some brain damage from the volume of, of
• 26:45
  ACDC that I played all those years in the, in the late 70s,
• 26:50
  early 80s. So, you know, I'm all over the
• 26:52
  place. But I do favor, you know, rap a
• 26:57
  lot. But I, you know, I mean in the
• 26:58
  car I listen to the country Y2K, you know, I, I, so I listen to
• 27:04
  everything, but my go to is the rap stuff for, for working out
• 27:10
  and lifting. Yeah, he, he's such a big fan of
• 27:13
  ACDC and that, you know, when I was a kid, I mean, he gave me
• 27:18
  like the Highway to Hell album and I love, I still love that
• 27:22
  album. But you know, I just as a kid,
• 27:25
  like I like that so much. I wanted more music like that.
• 27:28
  And then I just that led me to heavier and heavier stuff.
• 27:32
  So yeah, I mean, that's he was always been a huge fan of ACDC.
• 27:37
  That's kind of what led me into what I got into.
• 27:40
  Well, I'll tell you what, this was our our tease announcement.
• 27:43
  I was saying this won't even be a full show.
• 27:44
  I don't think we'll ever have any problem fill in time.
• 27:47
  We're almost 30 minutes here on our our tease announcement.
• 27:51
  So, but before we go, any kind of final closing thoughts about
• 27:55
  the the podcast coming up? It's going to be weekly.
• 27:58
  We're going to start it next Monday.
• 28:00
  And I think everybody's very, very excited.
• 28:04
  Yeah, we're, we're pumped up about it and we're really
• 28:07
  looking forward to it. I mean, we've, we've talked
• 28:09
  about this for a while. So it's really exciting to
• 28:12
  finally get around to doing it. Matt's sort of the architect of,
• 28:16
  of this. So he he's, he knows all the
• 28:20
  stories because we've been through all the stuff in the
• 28:22
  book and he knows what to tee up.
• 28:24
  He also knows what fans, you know, what fans like and what
• 28:28
  they like to hear. It really all started with this,
• 28:31
  you know, with with the apparel thing, you know, he really
• 28:35
  understands what people like, what people want.
• 28:39
  The apparel stuff was retro type stuff that and and people just
• 28:45
  dated up. And the same thing with the
• 28:46
  book, you know, he knew a lot of the stories, but he drew a lot
• 28:51
  more out. So he'll be TM up a lot, a lot
• 28:55
  of interesting stuff content. That's awesome.
• 28:58
  No, people are really going to love this.
• 29:00
  And just one final time. So weekly podcast starting next
• 29:05
  week. It'll be the first of the year
• 29:07
  full video shows on Kenny Wallace YouTube channel.
• 29:11
  We'll have all the video clips on that Mark Martin Archive
• 29:14
  YouTube channel and then the full audio podcast will be on
• 29:19
  Kenny Wallace media. So you can kind of and we'll
• 29:21
  have all the clips on all the social media that we'll put out
• 29:24
  after every show as well. So guys, I'm I'm super excited.
• 29:27
  Welcome aboard. It's going to be awesome.
• 29:29
  Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, Happy holidays, and I think the
• 29:33
  fans are really, really going to love this.
• 29:36
  Thank you, Charlie. We're really looking forward to
• 29:38
  it and we're happy to be a part of Kenny Wallace Media.
• 29:41
  Yeah, yeah. All right.
• 29:43
  Awesome guys. See you later.
• 29:45
  Thanks. Thank you.