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The Broom Cupboard & The Closet | Anthony Lightz on Coming Out Twice 🔮 · The Psychic Explorer

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I hope you are well and welcome to The Psychic
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Explorer live from Mighty Hoopla, which is the
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big festival which kicks off Pride season here
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in the UK. I am in a park in South London with
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30 ,000 other queer people. So if you can hear
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the music and the crowds in the background, that
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is because I am absolutely in the middle of it
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right now. And I wanted to bring you here with
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me because this episode is going out in June,
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which is Pride month. and I thought what better
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place to introduce you to this month's guest.
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Now I've been making the Psychic Explorer for
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about 18 months and I've spoken to some incredible
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people but today's guest is someone I've wanted
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to talk to for quite some time because his story
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is not just about mediumship, spirituality or
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even witchcraft. It's about what it takes to
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be fully unapologetically yourself when the world
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and your upbringing has told you that you cannot
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be you Anthony Lightz grew up in rural Illinois
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conservative family evangelical church and he
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was gay he was also psychic and he spent years
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hiding both of those things and honestly when
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I was putting this episode together I thought
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those two experiences are not as different as
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they sound In this conversation, Anthony talks
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about growing up with his guests that he could
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not explain and couldn't tell anyone about. He
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talks about having his witchy books confiscated
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at 15 years of age and being told that he was
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going to hell. He talks about the Mormon church,
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about coming out and about the moment that his
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dad, who had said things that would have broken
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most people, sat down and apologized for it all,
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totally unprovoked. The conversation is warm,
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it's funny, it's real and I will say this if
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you are easily offended by the f -word you might
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want to brace yourself because Anthony does not
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hold back and honestly neither do I. Anthony
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is one of those people who is just pure light
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which is appropriately is basically his name.
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So happy pride everyone wherever you are whoever
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you are this one is definitely for you. Here
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is my conversation with the one and only Anthony Lightz.
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And in the meantime, I'm going to go get myself
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a drink and enjoy a drag show. I will see you
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on the other side. And hopefully, fingers crossed,
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I won't be too hungover. Enjoy the interview,
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guys. The amazing Anthony Lightz, everybody.
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Anthony, thank you so much for coming onto Psychic
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Explorer. How are you? I'm amazing. And I appreciate
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that you called me amazing as well. That was
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very sweet. Absolutely. You know, when I first
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started to link down this journey of psychic
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exploration, I listened to loads of podcasts
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and Haley Bea's podcast, Opening the Door. If you've
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not listened to it, listeners, go and listen
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to her podcast. It's really amazing. And Anthony,
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I think you were either her second or her first
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guest on her podcast. And it was so lovely. As
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soon as I heard you, I was really drawn to you
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because you were so bubbly. You were so light.
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And there are so many practitioners in this space
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who can make it quite dark and make it quite
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heavy and make it something very, very serious.
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And you were just so light. Thank you. Oh, my
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God. I have to tell you that... When I did my
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very first ever podcast recording with somebody,
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it was an old podcast for the with these two
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people in Australia, actually. And they did a
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recording and I thought to myself, who the fuck
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is going to want to listen to my shrill? Gay
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voice I just thought to myself who would want
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to listen to this voice and actually I get so
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many people who So many when I say so many like
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a handful of people who message me and they're
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like, oh my god I could listen to you talk for
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hours and I'm like I'm over here like what No.
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All those years of being called ma 'am over the
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phone. Oh, no, really? Oh, gosh. And at the drive
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-thru. I'm like, ugh. Well, Anthony, would you
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mind just introducing yourself to the lovely
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listeners in your own words? Who are you? What
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do you do and what is your practice? Absolutely.
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Well, hi guys. Hi everybody listening. My name
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is Anthony Lightz. Um, I spell that L I G H T
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Z. Um, and truth be told, I spell it that way
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because my last name, my government name is pronounced
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lights, but it's German and it's, uh, spelled
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L E I T Z. But I like, I like Lightz in a way
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that people can pronounce it correctly. So, um,
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Anthony Lightz, I am a psychic medium. I live
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in St. Petersburg, Florida. I help run a really
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cool metaphysical shop here called Spellcrafter,
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where I also run my business, where I read for
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people and I teach psychic development and other
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aspects of spirituality, like witchcraft and
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divination and all those fun things. And yeah,
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I'm living a dream. I actually tell people my
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husband is an dental hygienist. And when they ask us
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what we do, I'm like, yeah, he's got the adult
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job. I think it's a good dynamic. What do they
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say? Opposites attract, right? Opposites attract.
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Absolutely. Okay, we are recording this for June
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and June is traditionally Pride season. What
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do you guys have planned for Pride this year?
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What does Pride 2026 look like for you? Oh my
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gosh, I'm going, I am going full slut mode for
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Pride this year. And I find that, so I'm from
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like a cornfield in Illinois and so, Pride is,
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I understand Pride to a different level I think
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than maybe for somebody who's from like a city
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or somewhere a little bit more progressive, you
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know, so I really do love to go all out for Pride.
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We usually plan something for like every weekend
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because St. Petersburg actually has the biggest
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Pride in Florida. Does it really? I thought it
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would be Miami or Orlando or somewhere like that.
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You would think that, but it might be different
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this year because of the political climate. But
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as long as I've lived here, it's been the biggest
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pride fest in all of Florida. St. Pete is actually
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kind of like a big bubble in the state of Florida.
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So if you are listeners out there, if you're
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not familiar with or if you are familiar, I should
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say, with the state of Florida, you hear a lot
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of Florida man stories and all this type of stuff.
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And it's a real Real interesting type of place,
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but St. Petersburg is a little bit of a bubble
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where we are. We're very gay. We're very artsy.
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We're very progressive here in St. Pete. You
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know, I mean, we definitely have our, you know,
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there's always going to be a little bit of something
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to deal with, but we're very lucky. So pride
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pride month for us is a huge month of all this
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expression. And, you know, my husband and I really
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love to like, we get, we love to get fun outfits.
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We like to, you know, we are always going to
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different events. Um, I, I, I hope. this year
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that we're not doing anything too too snazzy.
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I want to be more like the bars and parties get
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a bit dirty. Yeah, I want to get dirty. Last
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year we went to a gala though where or a gala.
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I like to say gala because it's pride to meet
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and hear a speaker who was at Stonewall. Oh,
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wow. I really, really appreciated that. Of course,
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I hate to dress up. I do not like to be in a
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suit. I don't want to wear a blazer. But we did
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that night. And honestly, as much as I was so
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uncomfortable, I was so grateful to experience
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something so amazing, especially in a time like
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this that we're experiencing over here in the
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States. It's really cool to see the people who
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fought back then to get to where we are now.
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And then it kind of gets that little fire under
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your ass to keep fighting. So it was really cool.
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Amazing, it sounds it. Talking of people that
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came before us, would you mind taking us back
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to your past, back to the little Anthony Lightz
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who is stuck in his cornfield, this little gay
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kid. What did life look like for you? What was
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little Anthony Lightz' world? So I had a pretty
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tumultuous upbringing. My mother suffers from
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addiction and my dad, he just wasn't, I mean,
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I hate to say this. First of all, let me just
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preface this with my father and I have a great
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relationship. He is a wonderful person. When
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I was younger, We just weren't there yet, you
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know, and you know, I it's so it's the dichotomy
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was weird because he comes he it's his family
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who was very conservative is what I'm trying
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to say and we were a part of this church that
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was an evangelical Lutheran church at the time,
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but my dad didn't really go to church, but he
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kind of just upheld a lot of the beliefs, mostly
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fear -based stuff. And so, although I really
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feel like I just existed the way that I was,
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I do feel that I was so scared to sort of...
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I was so scared to succumb to a lot of the thoughts
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and the things that I was feeling like I was
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definitely you know trying to pray the gay away
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whenever I had sort of weird feelings but I was
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also I will say this I'm the queen of denial
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and so it's also easy for me to hide from that
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stuff hide from myself essentially but like on
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the flip side I was still doing musical theater
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and I was still singing and I was I was I was
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a gymnast at one point, so I was tumbling and
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doing all these things that, you know, stereotypically
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in the country, you would look at and be like,
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well, that kid's kind of fruity, you know? And
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I had my fair share of being called names and
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stuff like that. And so it really, I feel that
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I tried to put on this little, I don't give a
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fuck what anybody thinks, but it definitely ingrained
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a lot of... horrible beliefs into my subconscious.
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And I will say that, you know, a day in the life
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of Anthony Lightz when he was in high school
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was, you know, get up, get dressed, try to make
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yourself look as presentable as possible, do
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your hair, all this type of stuff, and then go
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to school and just hope to God that nobody said
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anything about me being gay, you know, and I
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remember at one point in time in my it's so funny
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in my graduating class, I think we had probably
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10 people come out of the closet after they all
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graduated. Which is kind of weird because my
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graduating class was like 60 people. You had
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a big gay class too. Well, not when I was there.
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I was the only kid who was out at school and
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the year that I left to go to college and everyone
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else stayed to go to sixth form. I heard that
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at least 10 people in my year group has come
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out and I was so annoyed, I was so frustrated
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because I thought, why did I have to go through
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all that shit on my own when there were other
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people in my year group who were gay too? Well,
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you probably kind of paved it in a sense, you
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know? I mean, and I'm being very honest about
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that. There was one, there was two kids in my
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high school who were gay, who were like out.
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But not out in school like you never would have
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seen them walking down the hall holding hands
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with another Another guy or you know anything
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like that and but there was the one kid. This
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is back in MySpace days I'm old Are you yeah,
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how old are you I am 42 this year Oh 42 I thought
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you were younger than me. I'm not gonna lie You're
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doing great, sweetie. Thank you. It's this room.
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It's a very peachy room, not a minute. Irons
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and wrinkles out from my face. That's amazing.
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OK, so then you remember MySpace, right? I do,
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yes. He had posted a picture on, or I don't think
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he had posted it. Somebody else had posted a
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picture of him kissing his boyfriend, but like
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in Chicago, you know, because I grew up, the
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town that I grew up in was like maybe two hours
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south of Chicago in Illinois. someone in my high
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school printed that picture out and like tossed
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it in the library, tossed it onto the table in
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front of him while he was sitting at the table
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with like 20 other students. And I just remember
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looking at that and thinking to myself, oh my
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God, I don't know what I would do. I would want
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to die. I would literally not. And I'm not trying
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to be dramatic. I would literally want to die
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if if that were me. And so. You know, it was
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just a big scary time for me of like, I need
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to put this away. And the thing is, it's all
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a subconscious thought process. Like I don't
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think I ever like consciously thought to myself,
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you can't be gay here. I just think it was like
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a... automatic turn it off. Yeah, like self -preservation.
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Yeah, self -preservation. Exactly. As far as
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like the witchy side goes, before high school,
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I started my whole witchy journey when I was
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really young. My mom would buy me... books, and
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she would say, I don't care if it's just a hobby.
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If it's just a hobby, you want to learn about
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this stuff. I don't care. She bought me books
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by Earth, Air, Fire, Water. I'm looking at it
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right now by Scott Cunningham from Barnes and
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Noble when I was really young. I had crystals
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and candles and everything. When my mom had to
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go into rehab and all this type of stuff, my
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dad's family came in and they took... all of
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my stuff. And now we're talking grade school
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at this point in time, or junior high I should
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say. Just for listeners outside the US, what
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age group is that? What age is that? I was like
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14, 15. I was 15. I remember this. And I remember
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getting the most intense lecture in the basement
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of my friend's house about how I would be going
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to hell and how this stuff, this is how the devil
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works. It sucks you in and it makes you feel good,
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it makes you feel powerful, and all this type
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of stuff. And so I put it all away. And I was
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really scared. My imagination still survived.
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I was watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer and all
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these cool movies and stuff like that. But I
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got scared. I quit reading. I quit doing all
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that kind of stuff. And then I focused more on
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trying to become a popular, what everybody thought
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I should be. going to church and like, you know,
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trying to date women, but it didn't really work.
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And then I eventually, when I was 18 years old,
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I met this guy and he was Mormon. And he had,
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you know, I wouldn't say convinced me, he had
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invited me and I was a little apprehensive, but
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I was like, you know, whatever, I like you, you're
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nice, you're a good person. So I went to church
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with him and I realized, oh my God, this is like
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everything that I grew up in, except for these
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people are way nicer. And so he left on a mission
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and while he was on his mission, I met someone
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who I'm now really good friends with. She was
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a sister missionary and she convinced me. She
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also like taught me and everything like that.
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And I hate to say convinced because I don't want
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to put her in a bad light. It did not take a
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lot of convincing, but I eventually got baptized
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into the Mormon church and spent about three
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to four years of my life. Like very diligently
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going to church until I then had my first like
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actual homosexual experience The beautiful thing
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though that I Remember the most and this is like
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part of a big reason why I like to do what we
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do here is When I really stepped into that authentic
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version of myself It was crazy. My dad, who had
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said horrible things about gay people when I
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was a kid, horrible things about how he couldn't
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live if he had a gay child, my dad just kind
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of woke up. I don't know what happened, but our
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relationship blossomed when I came out of the
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closet. He eventually apologized, unprovoked,
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apologized for everything. that I had to go through
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as a child, not just from the horrible things
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that he would say, but everything, like the things
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with my mom and all this type of stuff. It was
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really, really crazy. And I kind of owe that
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to just being brave enough to step into my own
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shoes and be like, I don't care. You know, so
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yeah, that was a really cool experience. As you're
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saying this, the quote is coming to my mind.
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I don't know if it's a biblical quote or not,
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but the truth will set you free. Yeah. Literally,
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like, not just for you, but for your dad as well.
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The moment you step into your authentic self,
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the sooner that relationship can bloom. I said
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to you before that I've been researching you,
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and not to sound too stalkery, but I've been
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listening to so many different podcasts that
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you've appeared on. So I know this story, but
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would you mind sharing with the listeners, how
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did your psychic journey begin? Where did that
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come from? I don't think it's stalkery at all.
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I actually am so... I find it so validating that
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you looked into me and then you're like, no,
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I still want to talk to him. No, absolutely.
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I mean, my God, I love listening to your episodes.
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I know I touched on earlier on with Haley Bea's
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podcast, Opening the Door, but you do another one
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with her, a monthly one. called the Psychic Path
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podcast. And I love listening to it. I'll be
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honest, I haven't got a clue about half the stuff
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you're talking about because I'm not there yet
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in my development. But you touch on things like
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numerology. In your last episode, I think it
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was about the retrograde. And it's interesting
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because I did have an episode idea called What
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the Hell is Retrograde Anyway? And I listened
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to your episode and I thought, oh great, I can't
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do that one anymore. You still should because
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you're going to have such a different take on
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it. And then also it's so fun to share. I think
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it's so fun to share personal experiences and
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how the retrograde affects you because you're
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going to it's going to resonate with different
18:48
people. That's why I love sharing my stories
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because I just hope even if it resonates with
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one person and helps them be like, no, I can
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do this too. I feel like my life is worth it.
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It's worth it now. You know, I think you should
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do it. But but yeah. Oh, where did this start?
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Sorry, yeah, I went off on a bit of a tangent
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then. How did this begin for you? How did your
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psychic and mediumship journey begin? Yeah, so
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I had my very, very first, like, memorable visit
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experience. from the world of spirit, is what
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I call it now, when I was, I want to say it was
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12, 12 or 13, because my mom's mom, my grandmother
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Hope passed away. And it was not a, she wasn't
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sick. She was going in for an operation and things
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went sour. They tried to save her. They worked
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on her for nine hours. And by the time they were
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living, they also lived. like nine hours away.
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So we were driving down there by the time we'd
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gotten to their house. She had already passed.
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And so this was my first big, aside from losing
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like animals, this was my first big death. You
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know, this is a period of time where I didn't...
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I didn't quite understand what was going on.
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This was a little bit before I started reading.
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My mom had gotten me my first book on witchcraft
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and all that kind of stuff. Every night that
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I would go to bed, I would pray to God. I would
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say, please tell grandma I hope I said hello
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and I love her and all that kind of stuff. I
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remember one night about, I would say almost
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a year later, I remember I was praying and I
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just, there was just like something changed.
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I looked up and I just looked at, there was,
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at the foot of my bed was like this energetic
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signature. I don't know how to explain it. Think
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of it, if I can paint a picture, it looked like
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a fuzzy white fog light type of thing, like hybrid.
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If you ever look, actually, if you ever look
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at a candle, and you look above the candle and
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you see the ripple of heat. That's kind of what
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it's like, but a little bit funnier in the shape
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of a person. And for me, I don't know if I explained
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it this way exactly, but it almost came in from
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the ceiling and came and stood at the end of
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the bed. And so the thing is, is I just remember
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looking at this and knowing that's my grandmother.
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Like that is my grandmother. Grandma Hope is
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standing at the end of my bed right now. And
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I don't know how I knew it was her because you
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it was just like a blob that was in the shape
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of a person to me. And I think that I think it
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was just like a sort of, you know, if your mom
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walks into the room and you don't see her, but
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she touches your shoulder, you almost know that's
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mom. Right. And or you just get that sort of
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clairsentience. That's what I do is like that
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sense that, oh, I know who you are. And I knew
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it was her. Was there fear? when you saw that?
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Not at all. None. That's the other thing. I wasn't
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afraid when that happened. I don't know the timeline
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because exactly. But like, I just started seeing
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shit randomly. I would start seeing like, physically
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speaking, I would see this sort of like fuzzy,
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same sort of situation, but like walk across
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the street. Or there in Illinois, there are very
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random scattered throughout the countryside.
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There's like very random cemeteries and stuff.
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And like in some of the small towns, they would
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have like these big, big ass cemeteries where
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you could drive through it. And I remember my
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aunt, which would be grandma Hope's daughter,
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my mom's sister took us on a drive through a
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cemetery. And I remember just like, being so
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floored, like, oh my God, I think that's a person
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walking right there, but not saying shit. Of
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course, because I'm like, who do you say this
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to? At one point in time, I had said something
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to my mom along the lines of like, hey, this
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weird stuff is happening. My mom told me, and
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I think this is why she was so okay with me getting
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those books. She said, I used to have dreams
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of who was going to die in our family. I would
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have a dream about a member of family who were
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dying, and then they would pass away later. And
23:24
I guess my grandma Hope had told her, do not
23:27
tell anybody that. You can tell me this, but
23:29
you can't tell anybody else that. And when my
23:32
mom said that to me, I thought, done. I noted,
23:36
I'm not going to say a thing. And then, yeah,
23:39
I kind of progressed until... Then middle school
23:44
came and I made some friends who I'm still friends
23:47
with to this day. We loved the movie The Craft.
23:52
I'm sure you know exactly what I'm talking about.
23:54
We had our own little witch coven. That's when
23:56
I was getting into the books and stuff. I had
23:59
mentioned to my one friend about the things that
24:03
I would see and she was super supportive. She
24:05
was also very scared. I wasn't as scared at that
24:08
point in time. But yeah, that's like where it
24:10
happened. And then I kind of went away for the
24:12
longest time whenever I had that conversation
24:16
about going to hell. And I was like, OK, well,
24:19
I guess I need to go back to church then. And
24:22
then puberty comes in and then you want to be
24:24
popular and you're dealing with all these emotional
24:26
things. My mom was going through all this stuff.
24:28
I had to move in with my father, which was horrible
24:31
at the time. But yeah, I kind of had to do all
24:36
this stuff. I had to grow up or be a young, what
24:39
do you want to say, a teenager. And so it wasn't
24:43
until I graduated high school that I started
24:46
seeing the shit again. It started coming back.
24:49
And so yeah, that answers your question plus
24:52
more, I'm sure. It absolutely does. Thank you,
24:55
Anthony. But there's a question that I've been
24:57
dying to ask you. When you say you're seeing
24:59
these things, Are you seeing these things physically,
25:03
like I'm looking at my laptop right now and I'm
25:05
seeing it, or is it more in your mind's eye?
25:08
So when I saw my grandmother and when I talked
25:12
about seeing this whole time, that was all physical.
25:16
And it wasn't, but it wasn't like you looking
25:17
at your laptop right now. I don't know how to
25:19
explain it. It's kind of like something shifts.
25:25
As a psychic medium, you know how they talk about
25:27
going into the power? You go into power and that
25:32
opens you up. It's almost as if somehow something
25:36
shifts and everything looks foggy. You can see
25:40
the air and then I would see a person walk by
25:44
or I would see this energetic signature of someone
25:47
just standing there. When I say this, it's not
25:51
like I'm looking at you and me. I would see it
25:54
and maybe I would see it for like... three or
25:56
four seconds, and then I wouldn't see it anymore.
25:59
It's very similar to how sometimes people say
26:01
they would see something out of the corner of
26:02
their eye. Yeah, I was going to say that. Yeah,
26:04
and it's gone. Sometimes it's like I see it out
26:06
of the corner of my eye and I look and it's still
26:08
standing there and then it's gone. To this day,
26:12
that happens, but way more rare. I would say
26:15
it doesn't happen as often. I don't know why.
26:19
I don't know that I care. I will say if it's
26:24
in that sort of liminal space of the day, morning,
26:28
like dawn and dusk, I often for some reason just
26:31
see a lot more then. But I can't put features
26:34
to anything. I can't say, oh, that's a man, that's
26:37
a woman, unless I turn on those other senses,
26:40
those other clairs where I'm like, oh. I can
26:42
feel that this is a woman. I can feel that this
26:44
is a man or anything in between, I guess I should
26:47
say. But yeah, I was seeing a lot of physical
26:50
stuff. Now I see more clairvoyantly, like in
26:54
my mind's eye, I'll see things more. Yeah, that
26:58
was a little bit different back then. I've heard
27:01
you talk about coming out of the broom cupboard
27:03
before, and I love that phrase. That is a phrase
27:05
I'm going to borrow from you, by the way. And
27:08
I wonder how the different experiences, or if
27:11
they were different experiences for you. For
27:12
me, being gay was always something I knew, it
27:15
was always something I wore proudly. It's been
27:18
so easy, it has been really easy for me. But
27:21
coming out of the broom cupboard is something
27:24
I find very difficult. I still don't like using
27:27
the word spirituality, it still gives me the
27:29
ick. How did you experience those? Were they
27:33
coming out as gay and coming out of the broom
27:35
cupboard similar or were they very different
27:36
experiences for you? The similarity that I could
27:40
say, because I think there's both, the similarity
27:42
was that I didn't, I feel that I don't need to,
27:46
I didn't need to be worried about either of them.
27:49
I maybe should have been a little bit more in
27:51
high school. the worry I think was a little bit
27:54
more of like physical harm, you know, I didn't
27:56
want my ass beat, or maybe I did, I don't know.
27:59
No, I'm just kidding. You said you wanted to
28:03
be slutty for pride. No, I feel that both of
28:12
the similarity would be that I'm always surprised
28:15
at how people react. The gay, being gay, I think
28:19
that's kind of like, I don't, there's no, I'm
28:21
there's no reaction anymore at this point in
28:23
time. There is still apprehension. There's still
28:28
that sort of apprehension about telling people
28:29
what I do for a living. And I still am also very
28:33
surprised at how people act when I tell them.
28:35
But the apprehension now, there's two aspects
28:38
of it. There's the aspect of when you tell somebody
28:40
that you're a psychic medium and that's what
28:42
you do, they automatically turn you into a circus
28:46
clown. Show me. There's expectation. A party
28:50
trick. Yeah, exactly. And then there's the other
28:54
aspect of them being scared of them being like,
28:58
Oh, this kid needs to grow up. This kid needs
29:00
to get a real job, you know, and that's where
29:03
I get I get really nervous. So about I'm going
29:05
to rant here for a second about two, three years
29:10
ago, two years ago, my husband and I have always
29:13
been like very kind of low key. You know, we'd
29:15
go out every once in a while with some very close
29:17
friends, our circles very tight. Jared said that
29:19
he wants to make them more gay friends. I want
29:21
to make more gay friends. He says, so we joined
29:23
a, um, like an LGBTQIA, like, uh, sports league
29:28
and we played dodgeball. I'll talk about going
29:30
back to high school dodgeball. Um, and then we
29:33
started making a shit ton of friends. And I just
29:36
remember. thinking to myself, these people are
29:41
lawyers and doctors and have all these big boy
29:44
jobs and all that kind of stuff. And then when
29:47
they get to me, after talking to my husband,
29:49
finding out that he's a dental hygienist, then
29:51
they get to me and I'm like, well, I don't want
29:55
to tell them that I'm a psychic medium and that's
29:57
what I do for a living. So I guess the only thing
30:00
I can tell them is that, oh, I manage a metaphysical
30:02
store. Which also kind of sounds like, okay,
30:04
kid, you need to grow up. That's my perception,
30:07
you know? Yeah, from your perception. I understand,
30:09
but I don't think that's true. Yeah, and I've
30:12
come to find out that it's not, because I feel
30:15
that that's my own, that's that sort of self
30:19
-doubt, that inner belief that was kind of at
30:21
pay... given to me as growing up, you know, my
30:24
family was always very, you need to go to school,
30:26
you need to either become a farmer, just like
30:28
the rest of the family or something that is going
30:31
to have a salary and like a pension and all this
30:34
type of shit. And I'm like over here and be like,
30:35
yeah, I flip cards for a living or, you know,
30:37
I talk to dead people, you know, but like, here's
30:40
the thing, it is crazy to me. And I don't, I
30:44
say this with a lot of humility, but stepping
30:50
onto this path has, brought me so much monetary
30:54
abundance in a way that I never thought I could.
30:57
And I only think that that is because I fully
31:00
stepped into something that I was supposed to,
31:02
you know? And so my husband, it's so funny, we'll
31:04
be talking about it. And Jared will be like,
31:08
yeah, he makes more than I do. And I'm just like,
31:11
girl, don't be putting that out there. Come on
31:13
now. Also, if you're worried about other people's
31:18
perception, it validates it for them. Because
31:20
it's like, well, if it's working, you're OK.
31:22
If it's working. Yeah, and it is surprising to
31:25
me to hear how many people are like, oh my god,
31:27
I would love to come see you. I would love to
31:30
come, you know, learn from you and all this type
31:32
of stuff. I'm like, wow, I just don't expect
31:34
that from people. I still expect that sort of
31:36
like that weird little bless your soul type of
31:40
energy that I don't know if you know what I mean
31:42
when I say that. Absolutely, yes. It's very fake,
31:46
self -righteous. Yeah, because I came to this
31:49
from a very different point of view or from a
31:51
very different place. I came to this from grief.
31:55
And when I tell people this is what I do, or
31:58
I'm looking into this, my worry, my perception
32:02
is that they're going to think, oh, OK, he's
32:04
not over his grief, or he wants to get the person
32:07
he lost back. And you can't accept that that's
32:11
not the case. So that's how I worry about it.
32:15
Yeah. Oh, I can totally see that. In my head
32:18
and that sort of aspect of it, when I was a kid,
32:24
I never told anybody about the things that I
32:27
would see, A, because church, and B, because
32:30
I never wanted anybody to think that I was scary.
32:33
I was like a freak, you know, or I was going
32:35
crazy. A very, very small amount of people knew
32:39
about any of like the actual psychic or mediumistic
32:42
mediumship things that were happening to me as
32:45
a kid because I just wouldn't tell anybody. I
32:47
actually was so scared to go see psychics because
32:50
I didn't want them to say something. Does that
32:53
make sense? Yeah, yeah, of course. Like, you
32:55
don't want them to ouch you. Exactly. I love
33:04
listening to other people's origin stories and
33:06
Anthony's is no different. Anthony, thank you
33:09
so much for your time. Thank you so much for
33:11
your vulnerability for sharing your story. Is
33:15
Anthony's story ringing true to you? Is his journey
33:18
chiming with yours? I'd love to know. You can
33:21
find me at the .psychic .explorer. You can see
33:24
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33:27
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33:30
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33:33
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34:05
So it sounds to me as if your sexuality and spirituality
34:09
sort of went hand in hand. You understood you
34:12
were gay, but you didn't want to maybe acknowledge
34:14
it. You knew you had this spooky side to you
34:18
as well, but that was sort of put down by other
34:21
people. You've had this life of religion and
34:25
scripture and this curiosity of the occult and
34:28
ritual. Have you had to unlearn anything and
34:31
unpick anything to allow the true Anthony to
34:34
step forward? Absolutely. I feel like I'm still
34:38
deconstructing certain things, more so with my
34:41
sexuality than my spirituality. I had to throw
34:45
away the idea that I wasn't supposed to connect
34:48
myself, that I was supposed to be receiving everything
34:52
from God or a pastor. The idea I remember in
34:58
2015, that's when I... I would say throughout
35:05
my life, my timeline, there were periods of time
35:08
where my spirituality would spike and then go
35:10
down and leave. And 2015, 2016 was when I dove
35:14
in and I haven't left since then. Does that make
35:17
sense? And I remember in that time period, that
35:21
was when I had my first experience with like
35:25
spirit guide energy and I was... terrified because
35:29
I just didn't know where it was coming from.
35:32
I didn't want to connect to anything like that
35:35
because I was like, well, what if it's evil?
35:36
What if it's something that was going to try
35:38
to get me to do horrible things, demonic? all
35:43
those sort of buzzwords that, you know, structured
35:46
religion will try to kind of embed in you to
35:49
scare you away from, really to scare you away
35:52
from thinking for yourself. That was my religious
35:55
trauma talking. So I just want to let people
35:56
know if you are still within a structured sort
35:59
of religion. I know there are a lot of people
36:00
who call themselves Christian mystics. I love
36:03
that for you. And I do not, do not like put what
36:07
I'm saying in my opinions on you at all. But
36:10
From where I come from, in my experience, you're
36:13
taught not to use tarot cards, not to try any
36:18
sort of divination or to connect to spirit guides
36:21
and stuff because those were all demonic. And
36:25
when you really uncover it all, it's a matter
36:27
of don't think for yourself. Think the way we
36:30
want you to. And it is unfortunate. Now, I don't
36:33
think that every church is like that. I think
36:35
there are some churches who are a little bit
36:37
more free thinking, and that's great. Still not
36:39
for me. But my little disclaimer, and I just
36:44
don't want to hurt anybody's feelings, you know?
36:46
No, we have to be respectful, but at the same
36:48
time, it goes both ways. Yeah, I agree. Absolutely.
36:53
But yeah, the deconstruction of that sort of
36:55
belief of like, wow, I'm not supposed to do this.
36:57
I remember when my aunt, the same aunt who would
36:59
drive us through the fucking corn or the cornfields,
37:01
the cemeteries, she sent me my first deck of
37:04
tarot cards. And I was terrified. I was like,
37:08
Oh my God, do I do this? Do I do this? You know,
37:11
really, I had that much of I was going to use
37:14
the word power. But yeah, I mean, power had that
37:17
much power over you, did it? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
37:19
Oh, I was terrified. And the funny part was when
37:22
I was really young, I remember her pulling out
37:25
tarot cards and reading for me, like young, young.
37:28
And this is also, this is not my dad, the conservative
37:31
side. This is my mom's side, right? My mom's
37:33
sister. And thinking, oh, these are great. I
37:37
love these. And had she not done that when I
37:40
was a kid, I don't think I would have brought
37:41
it up to her. And then that's what made her send
37:44
them to me. She goes, oh, you want these? Let
37:46
me send some to you. you know, there's the devil
37:49
card and the death card and all these things.
37:52
And I still was in this place of like, I want
37:55
to learn about psychic development. I was going
37:58
through a book at the time called The Intuitive
38:00
Way by Penney Peirce, I think. I'm looking on
38:04
my shelf to see if I can see it. Penney Peirce,
38:07
yeah. And I was working through that and I would,
38:10
you know, I treated it like Hogwarts, right?
38:12
Like going to school for witchcraft and wizardry,
38:14
but more so just divination and psychic ability.
38:17
And that's when my aunt sent me those cards.
38:19
And I just remember thinking, do I want to try
38:21
this? I did it for a few weeks, maybe even a
38:26
couple of months, and then I put it away because
38:28
I was like, I went through that. I feel like
38:30
a lot of people just where their readings get
38:32
a little bit scary and or they're interpreting
38:34
things a little bit more in a scary way. And
38:36
then eventually I got them back out and I started
38:39
using them again. And I really haven't put them
38:41
down since. No. And I know that I've heard you
38:46
say that shuffling helps you channel. We all
38:49
have our different things, you know. Tyler Henry
38:52
has his scribbles and you have your shuffling.
38:55
And what I love, what I find really beautiful
38:57
is that the thing that helps you is the thing
39:02
that was first gifted to you as you started your
39:05
journey on this path. Oh, I didn't even think
39:07
of it that way. Matt, that's so sweet. You're
39:12
welcome. You can have that one. Thank you. Yeah,
39:15
and you know what's funny is when I'm doing mediumship,
39:18
the shuffling. I shuffle Lenormand cards. And
39:22
because of what you said, what I've heard you
39:24
say about Lenormand cards, I really want to get
39:26
myself a deck of these cards just to see what
39:29
I can get from them. Love Lenormand. I don't
39:32
know that I read them. I do read them the way
39:34
Lenormand is meant to be read, I guess, but not
39:37
always do I do that. My experiences with Lenormand
39:40
are, I would say, akin to using a Ouija board
39:43
sometimes. in the sense of they sort of confirm,
39:48
you know, I'm talking to somebody saying, oh,
39:50
your grandmother is with us or your mom's with
39:53
us and blah, blah, blah. And I get these little
39:55
confirmations that kind of say, yep, this is
39:59
mom. She's talking about what happened. My favorite
40:02
experience with shuffling the Lenormand was someone's
40:05
mother coming through and she just kept showing
40:07
me this ring over and over again. I told the
40:11
woman, I said, your mom's showing me this ring.
40:14
She's so insistent on me talking about this ring.
40:18
And the woman takes this ring off. She goes,
40:20
this is my mom's ring, and it's broken. I need
40:22
to get it fixed. I've been wanting to get it
40:24
fixed, and I just haven't done it. And right
40:28
when she finishes that statement, the ring card
40:31
flies out of the Lenormand deck and lands on the
40:34
table. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
40:36
That's why I love it. I love it so much. Isn't
40:39
it amazing how that sort of thing always happens?
40:42
I always pull a deck, sorry, I always put a card
40:45
on the full moon. I've got this deck of cards
40:49
called Bee Tarot. Now, in my day job, I'm a gardener,
40:51
so these Bee Tarot cards really resonate with
40:54
me. They've got really lovely images and illustrations
40:58
of bees and insects and nature, so it really
41:00
vibes with me. And I can guarantee that whenever
41:02
I pull one of these cards on a full moon, it
41:05
always features a full moon. It's just, you could
41:09
not make it up. It's absolutely incredible. Can
41:12
I tell you a quick story that you can... you
41:15
don't have to keep on this episode please please
41:18
do please last year we experienced a tremendous
41:24
loss to our community here but also to for myself
41:28
and the owner of Spellcrafter her name is Madison
41:31
her and i are bestie like we we've become very
41:34
close and linda was a huge mentor of mine i'd
41:40
known her for eight years going on nine and she
41:45
was someone who helped me to really step into
41:48
my my psychic abilities and mediumship and Linda
41:53
ended up coming to work with us at the store
41:55
when we opened it and She was that you I mean
41:59
was teaching us so much every day was teaching
42:02
us more and more and helping us to develop our
42:05
abilities and just really wonderful person and
42:09
She started getting sick. These things were wrong.
42:13
They thought that she had something that's called
42:15
a prolapsed uterus and just in horrible pain.
42:21
They had scheduled this hysterectomy, I think,
42:26
that they were going to do or try to do and whatnot.
42:30
Then one weekend, we were sitting around the
42:34
table. It was a Friday. She was there supposed
42:36
to be reading and she was feeling like shit.
42:38
And I said, let's pull cards. And I sat down
42:41
and I pulled from the Untamed Animal Deck. And
42:45
I pulled the Bee. And the Bee card was about dedication
42:50
and responsibility. That day, I put the cards
42:55
away, whatever. She left. I went home. And on
43:00
Sunday, she ended up having to go to the ER because
43:04
her legs got swelled up. And on Monday, we found
43:07
out. that Linda had stage four cervical cancer.
43:12
She had chosen to go home on hospice and just
43:16
live out the rest of her days as comfortably
43:17
as she could. This is how spiritual this woman
43:20
was. She said, okay, I'm done. I'm ready to go,
43:24
ready to clock out. She passed away the Friday
43:26
after that. Wow. The Thursday before she died,
43:30
we had gone to her house because she had started
43:32
going through that transition period where she
43:34
was in and out of it. This was a time I did see
43:37
physical shit in her house. It was crazy. But
43:40
the most important aspect of the story is that
43:42
we were standing outside and a bee flew over
43:47
and landed right on my chest. And every time
43:51
now... a bee shows up in anything. I just know,
43:55
I'm like, okay, we've got to keep going. Dedication
43:57
and responsibility. And so when you brought up
44:00
the bee, Tara, I was like, oh, this is such a
44:03
huge confirmation of this conversation. It's
44:05
such a huge confirmation of doing this. And so
44:07
I had to tell you that story because I'm like,
44:08
wow, that's such an interesting sort of like,
44:11
hi, Linda. She's also an attention whore. Thank
44:18
you so much for sharing that. That was really
44:21
beautiful. I do find it amazing the way that
44:24
signs and symbols can come through from our
44:26
friends and loved ones on the other side. These
44:29
bee tarot cards, honestly, these deck of cards,
44:31
they are tarot, but I don't necessarily read
44:34
tarot per se. For me, they are more oracle cards.
44:38
They are illustrated by an Australian artist
44:40
who has her own gallery called Tanglewood Galleries.
44:44
And she draws and she gets those traits and she
44:46
paints things from like the fae folk, fairies
44:48
and the fae folk. This really gorgeous deck of
44:51
cards. I would recommend anyone looking for a
44:54
new deck of cards. I really recommend the Bee
44:57
Tarot. Absolutely gorgeous. I actually have it
45:00
already up on my phone because I'm going to send
45:02
it to... Oh, they do look pretty. And I love
45:05
it. I think that... Cards for divination. This
45:10
is my own opinion again not thrusting it upon
45:13
everybody But I do love when cards for divination
45:16
are hand -drawn first or drawn or created by
45:20
Somebody even if it's drawn like digitally, it's
45:23
great But like I I just can't get down with like
45:25
AI cards. No, you know, no to me. It has to have
45:29
meaning It has to have soul Okay, I've got a
45:36
question here and I'm trying to think how I can
45:39
word it. You are quite a witchy person, Anthony,
45:42
and it's something I absolutely love about you.
45:44
It's brilliant. It's not something that I am,
45:47
but I do love it for other people, and I love
45:51
what's seen in others as well. You had a very
45:54
religious upbringing. You had, from what I can
45:57
tell, lots of ritual. Do you think you would
46:01
be this witchy? Would you still be this witchy
46:04
person if you hadn't? have had that ritual that
46:09
threaded through your life so far, do you think?
46:13
I think I would be more chaotic as a way. Because
46:21
here's the thing, I... The witchiness is something
46:25
that I think is so inherent in my blood. I don't
46:27
think it is something that I, I don't think it
46:30
was a nature versus nurture thing. I feel that
46:33
I would be still very, very witchy. I would have
46:36
probably just started doing it at a much younger
46:37
age, but I am such a structured fanatic, a structured
46:44
fanatic when it comes to my craft. So what I
46:46
mean by that is like, I don't do super ceremonial
46:50
rituals, like I'm not a ceremonial witch as some
46:53
people would call them, but I do love to, like
46:56
if I'm gonna do spell work, I will come up and
47:00
write down an ingredients list like I'm doing
47:02
a fucking cook, a cooking show. And not only
47:05
will I write down. what I'm doing, I'll write
47:07
down the intention, I'll put the ingredient,
47:09
what this ingredient's intention is, and I'll
47:12
list it all. So here's my herbs, here's my oils,
47:14
here's my candles, you know what I'm saying?
47:16
And the way that I get myself into my magical
47:20
head space and... Stuff like that it is I would
47:23
say that can be a little bit more ceremonial
47:25
for myself But not like as like for those of
47:28
you who are listening if you're practicing Which
47:30
and you know what I'm talking about ceremonial
47:32
magic like the Golden Dawn and all that kind
47:35
of stuff where it's like Super ceremonial robes
47:37
and all that kind of I don't get that intense
47:39
But I do like a little bit of structure to my
47:42
practice especially when I'm going to be doing
47:45
any sort of like spell work or working with the
47:48
Working with the seasons or when we do rituals
47:50
at Spellcrafter you know, we do have a kind
47:53
of a setup that I like. I feel like if I wasn't,
47:56
if I did not grow up with that sort of structured
47:58
religion, I probably wouldn't be as structured
48:01
with my practice, if that makes sense. But I
48:03
will say that it was the Mormon religion that
48:07
helped my mediumship and the connection and feeling
48:09
like opening myself up to the connection. And
48:12
so I do kind of feel like the one thing that
48:14
I can say came from that. I don't know that I
48:17
would have stepped into mediumship as Deeply
48:22
like the practice of mediumship not just like
48:24
the inherent. Oh, I'm seeing things feeling things
48:26
but like the actual practice of mediumship. I
48:28
think really Being in that church and them teaching
48:32
me like the prayer and like how to pray to all
48:35
that kind of stuff Really? I say how to pray.
48:38
I don't think you really teach me a lot pray,
48:40
but you but like to open yourself up to receiving
48:44
messages from God, quote unquote, helped me to
48:47
be a better medium now. So I think that when
48:50
it comes to my witchcraft practice, the structure,
48:52
but when it comes to like my divination and my
48:54
mediumship and everything like that, I do think
48:56
that religion kind of helped me with that too,
48:57
in a way. Interesting, because my personal religious
49:01
bias would lead me to think that all those experiences
49:04
were negative, but from what you're saying, it
49:06
sounds like you are seeing the good in it, the
49:09
positives. No, I do see a lot of positives. I
49:14
do see a lot of negatives, but there is definitely
49:18
a lot. Like what I said earlier, my fear of talking
49:21
to guides and reading the cards and stuff like
49:25
that, I have more of a negative connection when
49:28
it comes to my sexuality, to structured religion,
49:33
if that makes any sense. I do get really pissed
49:35
off about Christianity. and all of the stealing,
49:43
like the hijacking of Christmas, you know, Yule,
49:46
the hijacking of Ostara, and even down to like
49:50
Beltane and the summer solstice, like all that
49:52
kind of stuff. Like I really get a little irritated
49:55
about that, but now I don't get as irritated
49:57
as I used to. Now I kind of laugh about it. I'm
49:59
kind of like, oh, you guys are practicing witchcraft?
50:02
Oh, you mean Christmas, nevermind, I'm sorry.
50:06
No, same here. My family used to get really annoyed
50:10
with me because I was so serious about it. And
50:12
they used to say to me, Matt, just lighten up.
50:14
It's fine. But I was like, no, it matters. The
50:17
origin of these things, they really matter. Yeah,
50:20
the origin of things does matter a lot. And I
50:23
think that was one of the things that really
50:26
helped me to step away from religion so much
50:29
was kind of coming to that conclusion of, wow,
50:32
everything that I grew up doing for Christmas.
50:36
comes from this pagan outlook, this pagan place
50:40
of everything. Santa Claus, the tree, the candles,
50:45
all that kind of stuff comes from this place
50:47
of magic and beauty and the earth. And we have
50:53
taken it and not we, the Christian ancestors,
50:57
I should say, took it and said, here do this
51:02
now and if you don't do this we're gonna kill
51:03
you. Which is that's where it becomes like oh
51:08
my god but yeah that was like a huge that was
51:10
a huge jumping jumping off point for me of saying
51:12
oh yeah this is not meant for me whatsoever.
51:15
Thank you so much for sharing your stories thank
51:18
you so much for sharing your your journey with
51:21
us I really appreciate it. Before we do wrap
51:24
up for this episode if you're up for it I'd like
51:26
to hit you with a few quick fire questions if
51:29
that's all right. Yeah let's do it. a bit of
51:31
fun for pride season. Witch or medium? If you
51:35
had to pick one label, what one would it be?
51:40
Ooh, ooh, one label. Which or medium? I think
51:44
I would do medium. Yeah? I think that's where
51:47
I'm of the most service and what I think that...
51:50
The thing is, is I think all witches are mediums
51:52
anyway. So I'm like, I'm just going to go with
51:56
medium because I think I do also feel like it's
51:58
more digestible. I think that I really resonate
52:02
with these. the label of medium and as much as
52:06
I do which but I do kind of feel like if I had
52:08
to step into one for the rest of my life I would
52:11
take the label of medium but I would still be
52:13
doing all my witchy shit I love it love it okay
52:16
second question a song that is completely you
52:19
your personal anthem you know at Lady Gaga I
52:23
was born this way that is my anthem I tell people
52:27
all the time authenticity breeds abundance and
52:30
what I mean by that is that when you are living
52:31
according to the how you were designed to live,
52:34
that's when everything falls into place. That's
52:37
when everything works out. And so be yourself,
52:40
be who you're meant to be. And also if you can't
52:42
figure that out, then figure out who you're meant
52:44
to be and it's okay to go on that journey. Absolutely,
52:47
what a gorgeous message. Okay, number three,
52:50
what would be your drag name? Oh shit, I don't
52:54
know. Oh my God, my husband and I play this game
52:56
all the time and I never land on one. I don't
52:59
know, I don't know. I had a really good one.
53:03
I'm going to let you give me a drag name. Oh,
53:06
God. Don't do that to me. I'm a really bad gay.
53:09
I really haven't got a clue. I don't either.
53:12
I feel like we had... Jared is obsessed. My husband
53:16
is the Rain Man of RuPaul's Drag Race, and I
53:19
hope that is not an offensive thing to say, but
53:21
I say that because he can literally hear a song
53:24
and say, oh, this was season four, episode five.
53:27
Oh God, mine is exactly the same. I can hear
53:30
one song, watch one film or one TV show, knows
53:34
exactly what the lyrics are, knows exactly who
53:37
the cast members are, and it's like got some
53:40
sort of crazy brain that just retains this information,
53:42
yet cannot, for the life of him, find his car
53:45
keys. It's so fucking annoying. That is, that's
53:49
Jared, that's my husband. I feel like if I had
53:51
a drag name it'd probably be something like really,
53:53
I love naming. like objects. So I have a porch
53:56
goose that was gifted to me and I named her Stacy.
53:59
And so I think I would want like a name, like
54:01
a really basic white girl name, like Stacy or
54:04
Amber, you know, and then something real slutty
54:07
for like the blast name, like Stacy Vagina or
54:10
something stupid. Well, this shows how bad of
54:13
a gay I am, right? I just cheated. I just typed
54:15
into Google, drag names for psychics. And this
54:18
is what comes up. Claire Voyant. Oh, that's cute.
54:23
Why didn't I think of that? That pisses me off.
54:27
Apparently, this one's for a tarot reader. Anagram.
54:30
I don't get that reference. I'm not sure. Anagram?
54:33
Oh, maybe, yeah. I still don't get the reference
54:36
to psychics. But Divina Nation? Divina Nation.
54:41
I like that one. Yeah, I'm a fan of that one.
54:44
Divina Nation. I like that one. Wow. Now that
54:47
makes me want to like... I don't know, psychotic
54:50
medium? No, I'm joking. Okay, final quickfire
54:55
question. I'm sure you are very popular, Anthony.
54:58
I'm sure your WhatsApp groups are firing off
55:01
at all times. If your spirit team was to have
55:05
a WhatsApp group for you, what would it be called?
55:08
Oh my god. It would probably be called Should
55:11
I Mute This Group Chat? I am I will say this
55:17
I and the advice I give people all the time is
55:20
like don't ask the same question over and over
55:22
again and if you're getting the same answer I
55:25
am so guilty I'm so guilty of like saying please
55:28
show me the sign for this please show me a sign
55:30
for this you know and I do feel that or they
55:33
they'd probably also name it why is he crying
55:36
I'm a cancer so I ask I ask my guides a lot of
55:43
times some of the same questions over and over
55:45
again, whether it be through tarot, or I use
55:47
the pendulum a lot, or if I'm in meditation,
55:50
I'm always asking for that. Am I doing the right
55:53
shit right now? Am I going the right direction?
55:54
All this type of stuff. And so I feel like they,
55:57
I do feel this sort of, this sort of sense of
56:00
like, shut the fuck up, you know? Like quit asking
56:02
the same shit again. We'll tell you if you're
56:04
off. If I were them, I would mute me, truthfully.
56:08
I'll be honest with you. I bug them more than
56:09
I bug my actual physical friends and family.
56:15
Let's have a RuPaul moment. Let's pretend I've
56:18
got a picture here of six -year -old Anthony
56:20
Light in Cornfield, Illinois. What would you
56:24
say? To little Anthony, knowing the journey that
56:27
you have had so far, what would you tell him?
56:31
I would say... And I want tears, by the way.
56:34
I really want tears. No, because I will. I told
56:37
you, I will cry. I think I would tell myself...
56:43
I would tell myself, they're real. What you're
56:46
seeing is not a fake. It's real and you're not
56:49
crazy. And then I would remind myself, I would
56:52
tell myself also... It is not your responsibility
56:55
what other people do. Do not take responsibility
56:58
for what your mom does. Do not take responsibility
57:00
for what everybody else does. But just know that
57:01
everything that you're about to go through is
57:03
going to be so fucking worth it. And I don't
57:06
want you to change anything. Just go for it.
57:09
I really feel that. And trust me, young one,
57:13
what you're going to turn into is going to be
57:15
something that you would never have dreamed of.
57:18
And you'll be so happy about it. I have to tell
57:21
you. Do you know, I'm sure you know who Jade
57:24
is, because she's from the UK, Jade. Yes, it
57:28
took me a minute, but yes, I do know, yes. We
57:30
saw her in Philadelphia. I saw, yes, on one of
57:33
your Instagram stories. So fucking incredible.
57:38
But she said, I wasn't even supposed to go to
57:40
this show. And I have been, last year was a huge
57:42
work of inner child, a huge year of working on
57:45
inner child stuff. And she said to me, she said,
57:48
she said to me. Not to anybody else in the audience.
57:52
Only you. She spotted Anthony. He's the only
57:55
person in the room. Only you. I need to talk
57:57
to this queer. No, she said to the audience,
58:01
she said, if your younger self could see you
58:05
now, they would be gagged. And I thought to myself,
58:08
oh my fucking God, yes, he would. I am living
58:13
the most magical life. making a living off of
58:18
being a witch and a psychic medium. And if my
58:21
younger self, if I could go back to that little
58:23
boy watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer and, you
58:26
know, just like, just like in awe and having
58:29
all these beautiful imaginary thoughts and drawing
58:32
these things and all that stuff, if I could go
58:34
back to that little kid right now and show him
58:36
what I'm doing and what he's going to do when
58:38
he gets older, that boy would shine, he would
58:43
be so happy, he would be gagged. And so I think
58:46
about this a lot. Like, I'm like, wow, I should
58:48
be so very proud. What a gorgeous message. Oh,
58:52
I love it. We actually saw Jade in a festival
58:55
or at a festival last year, last summer. Honestly,
58:58
it was amazing, just phenomenal. She was only
59:00
out for like three or four songs, but the energy
59:02
and the power is just fantastic. And like I said
59:05
before, I'm a bad gay, I'm a bad gay, and I didn't
59:09
re -know who she was, and my other half was like,
59:11
she's in that band... Little Mix. Yes, thank
59:14
you. See, see, bad gay, but I just, I haven't
59:16
got a clue. So I didn't re -know who she was,
59:19
but by the end of the set I was like, yes, I'm
59:21
loving it, this is amazing, this is brilliant.
59:24
I'm going to tell you, I didn't know that about
59:25
her until my husband told me, so also bad gay.
59:28
I'm horrible at pop culture. Well at least I'm
59:30
not alone on that one then, that's good news.
59:32
Anthony, thank you so much for today. Where can
59:35
people find you? So you can find me on Instagram.
59:40
My name is Anthony Lightz, L -I -G -H -T -Z.
59:43
That is the best place to find me. I'm not on
59:46
TikTok. I had to delete TikTok because I was
59:50
sitting on the toilet for far too long. And so
59:53
I don't have TikTok. Also, my website is Anthony Lightz
59:56
.com. Spelled the same way as my Instagram. Those
59:59
are really the best places to find me. those
1:00:02
two places really podcast oh yes oh my god don't
1:00:07
tell hailey you can't forget them once a month
1:00:13
we we we have it slated to come out like near
1:00:16
the full moon so we talk about We talk about
1:00:18
things you can work on for the full moons, the
1:00:21
energy there, talk about different metaphysical
1:00:23
topics. Last episode we talked about the Mercury
1:00:26
retrograde and navigating Mercury retrograde.
1:00:29
This next episode that we are going to be recording
1:00:31
and it's going to come out then, you're the first
1:00:33
one, nobody knows this, is going to be about
1:00:35
the ethics of being a psychic medium and working
1:00:37
in this field. Great topic, love it. So we're
1:00:39
excited about that. that one. You can also find
1:00:43
me on Hayley's podcast, Opening the Door, every
1:00:46
once in a while. Yeah, and I really recommend
1:00:49
to all the dear listeners to seek out Anthony
1:00:52
and Hayley's podcast, The Psychic Path. It's
1:00:54
really wonderful. It comes out once a month.
1:00:57
You both touch on so many different topics and
1:00:59
you really engage with your audience. You have
1:01:01
this segment called QAHA, which, yes, exactly.
1:01:06
So last episode, I really enjoyed last episode
1:01:08
because you both sang QAHA. I really, really
1:01:11
enjoyed it. Oh, gosh. Thank you so much for tonight.
1:01:14
I really appreciated it. Absolutely, Matt. Thank
1:01:17
you so, so much. And I hope you have a wonderful
1:01:20
rest of your evening. Likewise. It's been such
1:01:23
a pleasure. Thank you so much. OK, I'm now back
1:01:30
at home. I have recovered from the mighty hoopla.
1:01:34
Wow, what a good day that was. Thank you so much,
1:01:38
Anthony Light, for your time, for your story,
1:01:42
for telling us all about your upbringing and
1:01:45
your coming out, not only of The Closet, but
1:01:48
The Broom Cupboard too. So just a massive thank
1:01:51
you. And you know what? I don't think there's
1:01:54
any need for me to analyze this one at all. So
1:01:57
what I'm going to do is just go straight into
1:01:59
the LGBT helplines here. So normally I leave
1:02:03
this at the very, very end after the outro music,
1:02:05
but I'm going to do this bit now. If you are
1:02:08
in the UK and you are needing support or help
1:02:11
with anything LGBTQ +, there is Switchboard.
1:02:14
Switchboard is for everyone, whether you are
1:02:16
figuring out your gender expression, questioning
1:02:18
your sexuality, or if you have a question or
1:02:21
want to speak to someone about someone you care
1:02:23
about facing a challenge. Switchboard are there
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to listen. You can contact them on 0800 0119
1:02:31
100. That's 0800 0119 100. You can speak to someone
1:02:37
there from 12 .30 most days. you can email them
1:02:40
at hello at switchboard .lgbt or from 10am you
1:02:45
can start a live chat with them from their website
1:02:48
switchboard .lgbt There's also the LGBT Foundation
1:02:53
which provides a wide range and honestly the
1:02:56
amount of services these guys provide is quite
1:02:58
phenomenal. A wide range of services to support
1:03:01
lesbian, gay, bisexual and trans people. The
1:03:04
helpline for them is 0345 330 30 30. That's 0345
1:03:11
330 30 30. They also have an online chat service
1:03:17
which can also help point you in the right direction.
1:03:20
You can find that at lgbt .foundation. That's
1:03:24
lgbt .foundation. Now if you are in the US, the
1:03:29
Trevor Project is a fantastic resource which
1:03:31
is available to you. The Trevor Project offers
1:03:34
24 -7, 365 days a year support from wherever
1:03:38
you are in the US via chat. text or phone. It's
1:03:42
100 % confidential and 100 % free so you can
1:03:45
reach out to them on their chat at thetrevorproject
1:03:49
.org. You can call them on 1 -866 -488 -7386.
1:03:57
That's 1 -866 -488 -7386. Or you can text the
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word START to 678 -678. Message and data rates
1:04:09
may apply on that one, but everything else is
1:04:12
all free. I also noticed I've got a couple of
1:04:15
listeners in Australia as well. So I thought
1:04:17
I'd just do the admin for this one as well. So
1:04:20
in Australia, there is Qlife. You can find Qlife
1:04:23
at qlife .org .au. The phone number here is 1
1:04:28
-800 -184 -527. That is 1 -800 -184 - 527.
1:04:37
3 p .m. to 9 p .m. every day. They also have
1:04:40
a web chat too. If you have any questions, any
1:04:43
queries, you need any support, then this is the
1:04:46
place for you to go. Guys, I'm going to leave
1:04:49
it there. Happy Pride. As I said in the Delana
1:04:52
Luna episode last year, it's a difficult time
1:04:55
at the moment. There's lots of stuff, especially
1:04:57
in the U .S. There's a lot of stuff going on,
1:04:59
a lot of scary stuff going on. But together...
1:05:02
We can support one another together. We can listen
1:05:06
together We can fight and together we can help
1:05:09
make this world a bit safer one bit at a time
1:05:12
I am sending you all my love. Take care guys.
1:05:16
Bye