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The Power of the SHEA Spring Mentorship Program · The SHEA Podcast

• 0:07
  SPEAKER_00: Hi everyone, welcome.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_00: My name is Rishi Patel, and I'll be the host of today's podcast where we're joined by Dr.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: Stephanie Strover and Dr.
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  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth Moncese.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to be diving into the intricacies of relationships in the professional space and in the mentorship space particularly, which I'm really excited for given that I am the mentee of Dr.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: Stephanie Strover as well.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm really looking forward to what we discuss and hearing both of you all's thoughts on your journey thus far and kind of what you've taken away from it.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'd like to turn it to them just to introduce themselves.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Rishi.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stephanie Strover, and I'm an assistant professor in the School of Medicine at Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: And pass it over to my call, my friend, Elizabeth.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'm Elizabeth, and I am a nurse researcher at Children's Mercy in Kansas City, previously an infection preventionist for many, many years.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm also an associate professor at the UMKC School of Medicine.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, um I'm really excited for today's discussion.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_00: But to kick things off, uh Stephanie, why don't we just start with how this mentorship relationship came to be?
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: So in 2024, I was planning to attend Shea Spring and saw the call for the mentorship program.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_01: At the time, I was a new assistant professor and excited to be part of Shea, but also feeling uncertain.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: And so decided just to take a step out and see if this would be a good way to connect with others in Shay as well as you know, find some mentorship in this topic.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so once I was matched and I got an email from Shea, the Shea Spring organizers with Elizabeth as my as my mentor, I just reached out before the conference and did something of an icebreaker.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know how many people do this, but to tell her interesting things about myself.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I think I sent her a picture of my dogs and just tried to break the ice in advance so that I was not nervous or uncomfortable when I arrived at Shea Spring to meet her.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds fantastic.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_00: What about you, Elizabeth?
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_00: What did this look like for you?
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  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so I I think I've been a mentor a couple other times, but our relationship officially began when Stephanie reached out on April 10th of 2024.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I still have that message.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, where and it really set that message really set the tone for everything that came after.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_02: She talked about her being an investigator, you know, in the in an academic role, but then also her program leadership.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_02: I knew she liked Mexican food.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_02: Um, she also told me about her four-legged children, human children and four-legged ones, that of which I can relate to.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I think those details really transformed what really could have been a very strictly, I'd say, formal or professional introduction to one of genuine connection.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think that's her ability to really blend that with humor and being so authentic, created the foundation for our friendship.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: For sure.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's that sounds amazing that y'all have been able to connect so well over the past two years now, right?
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and so that kind of like I'm kind of curious.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_00: How have you both made the most out of that connection over the past two years in terms of, you know, your professional and personal growth, what you wanted to get out of the relationship, where you saw it going, maybe?
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it was a super way of breaking the ice.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was not nervous for the actual meeting.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I was nervous, but at the same time, I was a little less nervous on the day of the Shea Breakfast.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that I found, you know, one of the things I was really looking for was just connection.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, like Elizabeth mentioned, I felt like I was on an island.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have a mentor at my university who also does healthcare epidemiology and infection prevention research.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: So really branching out on my own to do this in my institution, having to make my own way and carve uh relationships out of nothing, um, no one kind of paving the way and networking for me.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: And so this was an opportunity for me to just start meeting people in a uh in sort of an expected low pressure way.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: And that was super important to me.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um as I mentioned, there were exactly zero people in my institution as mentors for this topic and in this organization.
• 4:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it can be kind of scary doing that.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and so this was a great avenue for me to connect.
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then I also just found that once I met Elizabeth, it was such a great connection.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_01: We just wanted to get to know each other better and continue connecting both personally through, you know, shared experiences, but also, you know, as friends, but also um professionally as well.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that that that made a huge difference for me and sort of finding my my way in a new professional home.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm actually surprised and that you were nervous for the the meeting.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think I probably registered that because that wasn't, you know, then what I picked up on the um when you sent the introductory email.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: So but I just found that to be interesting.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, I attended Shea Spring, or Shea Spring in Houston is actually where we met, with no specific expectations other than being genuinely excited to meet her.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Shay has been my professional home for many, many years.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I think it had always created the space and provided opportunity to connect with like-minded colleagues.
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  SPEAKER_02: So I've met a number of friends over my years of involvement in Shay.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think after spending time with her at the conference, we became very intentional.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_02: And Stephanie kind of touched on that.
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  SPEAKER_02: We became very intentional about developing the relationship, but then also to think about, you know, revealing what common interests that we had and then being able to leverage those connections to support each other's growth.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_02: And I have a couple of examples where Stephanie recently has um been able to do that for me, particularly in areas that I'm less familiar or comfortable with.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds superb.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um I'm actually kind of that you mentioned that, it really seems like it evolved quite a bit since you first reached out and both of you are first connected.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, you talked about being hesitant initially, and then you kind of got together, got to know each other a bit more, and it developed thereafter.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: So if you were to kind of put it together currently, how would you both describe your relationship?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I would say it's one of mutual benefit, and um, and I consider Elizabeth a colleague of mine.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're at different institutions, but she's um an immediate go-to if I have a question.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: She also still mentors me, even if it's not in the way one might think.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I find that she is a great sounding board in terms of professional dilemmas, needing advice when it comes to um, you know, professional growth and development, maybe less so on like subject matter, um, but more so just in that professionalism space.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so I really appreciate, you know, we do collaborative projects together, but I also can just ask her, you know, I think recently I was like, I'm so overcommitted.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: How do you say no to things?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and and she had great advice and wisdom that I could take from that to apply to my own, um, my own work.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think that we are colleagues, but then I still benefit from her wisdom and experience as well, um, in in a way, and I and hopefully, um, and I I think this is the case that she um finds the same but in different ways in bouncing ideas off me.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, absolutely.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was thinking, you know, as I was thinking about the podcast too, I had um recently read a book on mutualisms, and they talk about, you know, how some species form these close bonds and they benefit from those interactions.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's the concept that really resonates with me and how our partnership, our friendship has evolved too.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_02: So the example she's thinking of is I was working on a grant this past fall, and she provided expert counsel on that.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_02: So it's kind of funny that she's the classified as a mentee because that's not what this relationship really is, in that um I was completely panicked and feeling very overwhelmed.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: And I think she's she picked up on my stress, despite her her demanding schedule.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_02: She spent several hours with me working through those details until I felt confident with the final product, and that was incredibly valuable.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but moreover, I felt incredibly supported.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so I appreciated that very much.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_02: And so I think you know, her depth of knowledge is unmistakable, especially when you're talking about research methodologies.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, certainly as a subject matter expert in infection prevention, too.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_02: But I think it's that, you know, what was so impactful in our relationship and what it continues to be is really her generosity and intuition in knowing when we need support from each other.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you all for sharing that.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Elizabeth, you mentioned earlier that, you know, there are some times when Stephanie has surprised you over the past two years.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and it you mentioned also the concept of mutualism, right?
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_00: Which I think is actually really a beautiful way to describe any mentorship relationship.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because I think it's really easy to kind of think of more of the benefits from a mentee standpoint, right?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're new, you really are looking for someone to kind of help you form your own professional identity.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um but I feel like what's less talked about is more so what do you get out of it and how do you grow as a mentor, you know?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm kind of curious if you have noticed anything over the past two years that you've been working with Stephanie that you found really special, um, and that you found has contributed to your own professional life and development.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_02: That's an excellent question.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so I'm of course a big fan of Stephanie because I think, like I said, just the way she connects with other people, and you observe that in other encounters too.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then just this brilliant mind on top of it.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um so from my standpoint, and I think your question is how is it really benefiting me?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've certainly gained a lot from our interactions.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so as I mentioned, the research design and development, um, we recently contributed on several scholarly contributions.
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  SPEAKER_02: So, for example, a pre-mortem that we conducted on the state of infection prevention following federal changes was just um is now in print.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_02: And um, we also presented at National APIC last year.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_02: She's presenting a poster with some expanded data at SHA this year.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_02: And then we also did this at the Greater Kansas City APIC chapter.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: So we co-presented, and that was super fun.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_02: But I think in in some, it helps build competencies and communication.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, for example, I did it wouldn't occur to me to be nervous meeting my mentor.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_02: So I think it's helpful when I think about other types of relationships and how I can better support colleagues.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's given me an expanded view of that.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that helps for leadership performance, um, active listening, conflict.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, just all of those other skills that could be valuable incorporate into that type of relationship.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Elizabeth.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: That was that was really, really great and really insightful too.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I actually want to direct this next question to Stephanie.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, Elizabeth talked a bit about how it's helped her reframe some of the other relationships that she's had over the years, um, working with you and the insights that she's gained from you.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I'm kind of curious, do you feel like your relationship with Elizabeth and this whole mentorship space has helped you find other opportunities for professional development or even personal growth in that regard?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: I definitely think I have grown both personally and professionally in my relationship with Elizabeth.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, and and most especially, I've um found a lot more confidence in myself.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that I can 100% attribute to Elizabeth.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of new investigators, a lot of young professionals in fields can feel imposter syndrome.
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  SPEAKER_01: I was a, I mean, I had it in spades, and um, and so she has encouraged me to see um to see the things that I can bring to the table and contribute to the field.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, she's really empowered me through her encouragement and and just very much being very much being um a cheerleader in this space as well.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: And um it it helps so much to know um that I have Elizabeth in my corner who who supports what I'm doing and um provides provides some mentorship in that.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then professionally, I have really enjoyed working with Elizabeth on numerous different different scholarly projects at her grant.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: That was a lot of fun.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um I know she didn't necessarily think it was fun at the time, but I wouldn't have been anywhere else.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: I've also had the opportunity to meet other amazing colleagues through Elizabeth.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: And and that itself just she just kind of brought me into the fold, um, was excited to invite me to others who she has known.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: And now I have a nice network and circle of people who I look forward to seeing at Shea Spring and you know, other national conferences at ID Week, um, who I'm I'm just really excited, genuinely excited to see, to see their research that they're doing, to um to get to know them as people um from all over the country and the world.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um so that has been tremendous.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then I've also had the opportunity to work with some of Elizabeth's mentees in other spaces.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: So she has um she has a mentee that she's coaching through, I believe it's a master's capstone project in global health.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: And that has been a lot of fun as well.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I've gotten the opportunity to contribute uh just a little bit of my of my expertise to all of these cool projects that have reach in other areas.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: And and I think that's sort of why we're in this field, is we want to make an impact.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_01: And she's given me opportunities to make that impact and more than just my own community.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: So there's just been so many benefits to um to staying in touch.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we also decided at the time at Shay Spring that we weren't, this wasn't gonna be just a breakfast.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um we we committed to um having lunch at other times, going and looking at each other's posters, exchanging other contact information.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then we met up afterwards and and said, Hey, what are you working on?
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_01: Well, what am I doing?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: What do you need?
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: And um, and that again is kind of how it developed into this mutual, this mutual relationship was we didn't leave it there at Shea Spring.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: We we took it home and we've um nurtured it.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_01: So I couldn't be happier with with this.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's thank you for sharing that, Stephanie, because you know, one of the things that stood out to me from what you just said is it it really speaks to just how all-encompassing a relationship could like this could be if both parties really invest.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's really, really special.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um Although I do think it would be remiss to say that it's an easy thing to commit to, you know, it definitely takes a lot of work from both parties.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so, Elizabeth, I'd actually really love to hear your thoughts on this.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, when Stephanie was bribing you with pictures of her dogs and everything, um what kind of made you feel like this would be a worthwhile commitment that you'd really want to invest in her development and growth and hopefully benefit some way in your own shape?
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I think the the biggest thing is is that sense of connection.
• 16:49
  SPEAKER_02: I keep going back to that word.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I felt connected to her just by that introductory email, and then of course, our experience at the conference together.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_02: And Stephanie mentioned this, and she's right.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_02: She's helping me.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_02: I'm mentoring a student.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: She's just now back from Thailand, Stephanie.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: So we're gonna start looking at the data.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I referred to some of the guidance that you provided the other day.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but she also touched on this um concept of what we've developed as the IP hive or research hive.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_02: And this happened after, you know, really as the pandemic was starting to taper.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: I became very lonely, missing out on some of my infection prevention or research colleagues and so forth.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: And so I paired with another longtime friend and colleague, and we've started to kind of build this concept of a research community where it allows us to have opportunities like what Stephanie's talking about, where we have this sense of connection, uh, mutual support.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_02: So, like, you know, me putting the call out and saying, Can someone help me with this grant idea?
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: Or Stephanie just recently had a survey, can someone look at this?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: And it's a way to for us to really continue to foster these types of partnerships for mutual growth, but then also to spark new ideas too.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_02: So Stephanie has come to it with an entirely different and fresh perspective where I was missing, like I said, the opportunity to connect with colleagues over conferences and those spontaneous informal interactions.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_02: Stephanie, because she is such an expert mentor within her own community too, um, I think has given us some ideas of how we might be able to expand and build on this.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we're still kind of putting the structure together for that.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_02: But I think the other piece that she brings and why it's so helpful for me is that rigorous inquiry.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I think she is a bold thinker that helps us drive change.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then I think her skill set too, and that I've I've benefited from is having just expertise in different types of methodologies that allows us to kind of really have that fresh perspective and to address um problems.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: So again, because she's thinking about things in an entirely different way.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_02: But I will say her um her presentation on urinal cakes, um, I was able to integrate it into several infection prevention presentations that I've given.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_02: Um so you never know where you know these conversations or work that you know your colleagues will do and become embedded into some of the teaching opportunities that you have.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: Again, Jules, I'll let you decide if you want to keep that one or if Stephanie, if you don't want your your urinal cake.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I just think they shouldn't be used on fans in an ICU room to make it smell better.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_01: Let's just put that out there.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: I would second that opinion.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: I have to admit though, it was kind of it was a you know, unconventional approach to yeah.
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: Before we close, I think I'd really like to hear from both of you what do you feel has been the most meaningful aspect about participating in the Shea mentorship program?
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because as you know, we've talked about at length, it's been a really special journey for both of you.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like you've both learned quite a great deal and have had this impact a lot of different spheres in your life, both professionally and personally.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so um just with that in mind, I I'd really love to hear what you think has been the best, the most meaningful or impactful aspect of all of this.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um Stephanie, why don't we start with you?
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I think most of all, um, I made a new friend and and I just really appreciate that.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um having a friendly face at a conference, someone you can look forward to, knowing that um you matter in that space is is so important.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, to Shay's benefit, it makes me want to keep coming back to plug in, to, to actually engage in the organization.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_01: I think had this not, had I not had such a successful connection with Elizabeth and her just willingness to to meet me where I was, like I don't, I don't doubt that my personality is big and might not be, you know, congruent with everybody, right?
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_01: It just happened to be that Elizabeth and I connected.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so so it may not have worked out that way if if she was anyone else.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but it did, and I'm super thankful for that.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And and so, luck of the draw, I don't know, but it made from a Shea perspective, it has made me want to continue to engage in this organization, um, to take a chance and apply for different committees and to put myself out there just a little bit more, submit abstracts, just look forward to going to Shea.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if I didn't have somebody to look forward to seeing there, I don't know that I would go every year and um.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: And this has made a tremendous, a tremendous difference for that.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I found a lot more confidence in myself.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, like I said, like I started with just a friend and a colleague and an exciting future together doing collaborative research, collaborative work for infection prevention, healthcare epidemiology, antimicrobial stewardship.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And that's going to make a difference in this space that we care about.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_02: I think, I think Stephanie said it beautifully.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_02: We gained a friendship.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_02: And so, I mean, certainly it's nice.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_02: You always have great colleagues from Shay, but I think the real benefit of this whole connection was just the opportunity to really develop our relationship.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_02: I think that participating in the Shay mentorship program for me has been very meaningful, mainly because it creates a sense of community, right?
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: As Stephanie mentioned, looking forward to going to the conference, it's kind of like a family reunion.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_02: You get to catch up with people, you get the hugs, you know, and really be able to continue those relationships in a different manner than what we can sometimes do on Teams or Zoom or so forth.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: I think it also creates a space, and I think this is something that Stephanie does really well, but really to think about new ideas and how do you explore them.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I think even when with things like our pre-mortem paper where different um issues come up and we figure out how to navigate those challenges together.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_02: I think Shay, in some Shea mentorship allows that sense of belonging to occur.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so it goes beyond the technical expertise, because as I mentioned, Stephanie, or actually Stephanie was talking about, you know, what our relationship looked like.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: She certainly has more technical expertise than I do.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_02: But it allows us to think about, you know, what are the values that help us share sustain our work together.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, actually at the table, when Stephanie and I met, it was Dr.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_02: Gonzalo Behrman that was there.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_02: And, you know, it's nice to see other types of leaders when you participate in these types of programs because you get the opportunity to observe and to learn from exemplary mentors in real time.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_02: And so I still took things from that conversation and applied that to my own learning.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_02: And I think again, as our field continues to move forward, I think it's a good reminder that it's not an individual accomplishment, but it's through these relationships that inspire, that support, that challenge us and being part of that community and contributing to it has been very fulfilling for me.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for that, Elizabeth.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and honestly, personally, thank you both for sharing your stories of you know your shared journey of the past two years.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: Certainly, I think it's given me a new outlook on my own professional journey and the types of relationships that I'd like to build from here on out.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's it's you know what we've talked about today really speaks to really how beneficial this could be, but also how much work it will take and how much growth you can have along the way from both parties, um, which is something that I think is is important to appreciate.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: And so again, thank you.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: And I hope that everyone listening can take something similar away from it as well.