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Mysteries of CERN | Josh Peck · The Week in Bible Prophecy

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Speaker 1: The Week in Bible Prophecy, a Prophecy Watchers Podcast.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program today, everyone, I'm Mondo Gonzalez here
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Speaker 2: with Josh Peck. Josh here we are welcome.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you, glad to be back on the show.
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Speaker 1: Good to talk with you again.
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Speaker 2: We're going to be talking about really, I think, a
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Speaker 2: very fascinating topic, sirn. The what we've seen is there
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Speaker 2: is a lot of interest, probably most likely from our
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Speaker 2: realm of we like to talk about fringe topics conspiracy
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Speaker 2: of course, and that's good, and so there is a
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Speaker 2: lot of interesting in it. And I thought this would
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Speaker 2: have been great, and you guys talked about it, would like,
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Speaker 2: let's do thing on CERN and and so I think
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Speaker 2: in the beginning here I just want to share a
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Speaker 2: couple of things with people that when we think about
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Speaker 2: CERN ce r N you know, began in nineteen fifty four.
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Speaker 2: It's in Switzerland and France right around on the border there,
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Speaker 2: and I mean started a long time ago. This was
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Speaker 2: an a really post atomic age, right and so after
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Speaker 2: they of course we know that with you know, world
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Speaker 2: War two, but let's talk about that for a minute.
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Speaker 2: That here, what were they seeking to develop here? In
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Speaker 2: nineteen fifty two, nineteen fifty four, you know, and they
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Speaker 2: started in fifty two in the sense of developing this council.
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Speaker 2: So let me just say the word CERN is from
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Speaker 2: the French. It's the count basically, I'll give it in
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Speaker 2: the English, but it's the Council of Europe for Research
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Speaker 2: of Nuclear CERN, and there's a whole French way to
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Speaker 2: say it. But that was the original thing, that it
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Speaker 2: was a council. Then they changed it over and that
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Speaker 2: they kept the acronym, but it refers to it originally
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Speaker 2: referred to the council, but now we're primarily refers to
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Speaker 2: the facility.
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean it's still there's still a council,
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Speaker 1: it's still CERN, and a lot of a lot of
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Speaker 1: people when they think CERN, they think the LHC, the
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Speaker 1: Larger Round Collider, which is the actual machine. So CERN
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Speaker 1: is just basically the governing and body that decides what
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Speaker 1: to do with the machine, what experiments they're going to run.
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Speaker 1: And it's not just the LHC. They have other machines
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Speaker 1: there too, but that's that's yeah.
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Speaker 2: I saw they had seven accelerates, two decelerators, a one
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Speaker 2: point five billion dollar budget that large hadron collider twenty
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Speaker 2: seven kilometers underground three you know, three hundre feet underground.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is there's thousands of people that work there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean so all over the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all over the world. There's you know, fifteen twenty
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Speaker 2: different nations, mostly Europe. But they did allow Israel. Israel's
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Speaker 2: participating in that. So so they so let's think about
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Speaker 2: so they're getting let's get into the mind for a minute.
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Speaker 2: They realized they split the atom. Here we are, and
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Speaker 2: they developed a weapon, and and they decided we need
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Speaker 2: to know more. This is kind of the beginning of
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Speaker 2: the age, not just in theory, but of real quantum physics. Right,
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Speaker 2: let's let's talk about that. I mean in the sense
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Speaker 2: of this is definitely this isn't broad physics. This is
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Speaker 2: at the quantum level. So let's let's throw that word
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Speaker 2: out there. What exactly is that? Yeah, let's talk about that,
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Speaker 2: and then what they were seeking to do here.
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Speaker 1: Sure, well, the word quantum just means the smallest, most
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Speaker 1: fundament mental building block of reality, what everything else is
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Speaker 1: made of. And so at one time it was believed
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Speaker 1: atoms were like the basic building block. And then once
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Speaker 1: we were able to actually look at atoms and see
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Speaker 1: that atoms are made of stuff too. There's quark's, gluons,
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Speaker 1: you know, electrons, all these other things. So so right
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Speaker 1: now we think that something like a photon or a
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Speaker 1: quark would be a fundamental particle, meaning it's not made
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Speaker 1: of anything, which I know sounds strange, smrongest. Yeah, well
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Speaker 1: we'll have to get into how that works because it
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Speaker 1: has it has a lot to do with something called
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Speaker 1: quantum field theory, which is a little different than what
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Speaker 1: most people think of particle physics. But yeah, they were
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Speaker 1: just discovering all this stuff, and I think because a
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Speaker 1: lot of the classical physicists at the time, not all
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Speaker 1: of them, but many of them were were a little
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Speaker 1: hesitant about the quantum stuff. It seemed too weird, you
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Speaker 1: know it. And so I think on the you know,
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Speaker 1: on the nuclear on the on the quantum side, I
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Speaker 1: think it was just like, hey, all these other countries
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Speaker 1: are are doing these things. Let's pull our efforts. Let's
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Speaker 1: let's put together a council so we can go through
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Speaker 1: the data that we're finding together. And actually that's what
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Speaker 1: led to the creation of the Internet, which a lot
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Speaker 1: of people, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I saw that nineteen eighty nine, they created Internet.
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Speaker 1: It was originally developed as a way for scientists to
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Speaker 1: share data with each other to oberation. Yeah, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: that's that's all it was. And then it turned into
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Speaker 1: you know, what it is to what it is today.
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Speaker 1: But it's fascinating how it got how how that got started.
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Speaker 1: So now today it's it's on the surface. It's basically
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Speaker 1: the same kind of idea. What they want to do
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Speaker 1: is look at what is the what is quantum reality?
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Speaker 1: How do we understand that in a way that makes sense.
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Speaker 1: What is the most basic fundamental reality that there is?
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Speaker 1: How can a particle exist if it's not made of anything? Like?
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Speaker 1: Questions like that. So, you know, years later quantum field
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Speaker 1: theory got developed, and that that is the only reason
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Speaker 1: that the LHC atcern even works is because quantum field
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Speaker 1: theory is absolutely correct. You were probably taught as I
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Speaker 1: was in school that a particle is really just a
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Speaker 1: tiny piece of matter. It's it's just, you know, like
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Speaker 1: just a tiny piece of matter. That's how to think
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Speaker 1: about it. It's like a little sphere and they cycle
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Speaker 1: around each other and almost like the planets in the
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Speaker 1: Solar system, and you know, we've all seen the charts
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Speaker 1: and things that tried to depict that. Well, what quantum
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Speaker 1: field theory says is that's not exactly accurate. We kind
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Speaker 1: of perceive it that way just because we're limited in
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Speaker 1: our vision and our brains and everything, you know. But
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Speaker 1: that's how like a particle can be a wave and
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Speaker 1: a particle at the same time. But really what's happening
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Speaker 1: is is really really, really more mind bending what a
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Speaker 1: particle is. It's not a piece of matter at all.
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Speaker 1: Actually matter isn't matter at all, like the way we
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Speaker 1: think of it, Like we think of matter as this
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Speaker 1: solid stuff. It's it's really not. So when you break
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Speaker 1: it down to its most fundamental, just basic building blocks,
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Speaker 1: a particle is just a spike in energy. And what
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Speaker 1: that means is, well, what is it spiking into. It's
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Speaker 1: spiking into a quantum field. So all around us everywhere,
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Speaker 1: there's we don't know how many, but there's several. Uh,
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Speaker 1: there's several fields that have the potential to to to
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Speaker 1: I almost want to say, bring a particle into existence,
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Speaker 1: but that's not exactly right. It at any localized point,
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Speaker 1: at any point in space, any certain field, if it
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Speaker 1: gets if it gets some energy, or if it gets
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Speaker 1: excited in one area, it'll spike. That spike is the particle.
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Speaker 1: So when you look at it, if if you were
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Speaker 1: really to see a particle for what it is, it's
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Speaker 1: it's an energy spike more than it's Yeah, And because
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Speaker 1: there's so every basic fundamental particle, I think the theory
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Speaker 1: right now there is there's about fifty seven of them,
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Speaker 1: but there could be more that we just don't know about.
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Speaker 1: So for like, a photon is ours. We know a
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Speaker 1: photon is not made of anything else, and it really
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Speaker 1: can't be because there's the electromagnetic field. So when the
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Speaker 1: electromagnetic field spikes in a certain location, that spike is
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Speaker 1: the photon. So you know, in the in this room
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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of spikes going on right now, but
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Speaker 1: there's places out in space where it's almost none, so
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Speaker 1: that field is like there's no energy going on, so
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Speaker 1: there's no photons. Gravity is like this too. We haven't
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Speaker 1: technically discovered gravitons, but we know they exist because there's
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Speaker 1: a gravity field and for every field, it must have
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Speaker 1: an associated particle. This is actually in twenty twelve, a
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Speaker 1: lot of people know about the God particle I've probably
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Speaker 1: heard that there's there's a funny there's a funny story
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Speaker 1: behind why I got that name that I probably can't
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Speaker 1: tell on a Christian program. But but it's they didn't
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Speaker 1: call it that for a lot of the reasons that
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Speaker 1: people think. One, yeah it was it was. It wasn't that.
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Speaker 1: But people can look it up on their own if
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Speaker 1: they want. But basically, the the Higgs, the Higgs boson
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Speaker 1: particle itself that was discovered at CERN in twenty twelve
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Speaker 1: through the use of the LHC, that wasn't the big news.
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Speaker 1: The big news is that the Higgs field is real.
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Speaker 1: So if you find the particle, then you know the
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Speaker 1: field is real. Well, what makes that interesting is it
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Speaker 1: means that mass, it's not masses, isn't just substance. It's
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Speaker 1: not just more of stuff than something else. You know,
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Speaker 1: like when we say, like the Earth has more mass
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Speaker 1: than the moon, Well that doesn't mean you know, we
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Speaker 1: always thought that that meant it's because it has more stuff,
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Speaker 1: it's more massive, more dense, or yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: not exactly the case. It's that the Earth interacts with
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Speaker 1: the Higgs field more and that's what mass is. Mass
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Speaker 1: is an interaction. It's not an abundance of substance, you know,
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Speaker 1: it's an interaction with a field, just like the electromagnetat
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Speaker 1: field a gravity field. It's the interaction. So the only
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Speaker 1: reason we have mass is because we interact with this field.
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Speaker 1: The reasons the reason that photons have no mass, and
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Speaker 1: the reason that they can travel as fast as they
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Speaker 1: can is because they don't interact with the Higgs field
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Speaker 1: at all, no interaction. So that kind of helps explain. Okay,
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Speaker 1: a photon isn't made of anything and it can travel
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Speaker 1: at the speed of light without anything impeding it. How
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Speaker 1: does it exist? Well, it's because the way that we've
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Speaker 1: been taught particle physics in middle school and high school
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Speaker 1: isn't complete. It's not right. It's because the photon is
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Speaker 1: just a spike in a field, just like you can
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Speaker 1: have an energy spike in anything else, and it doesn't
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Speaker 1: interact with this Higgs field, and the Higgs field is
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Speaker 1: what gives things mass, or the interaction with the Higgs
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Speaker 1: field is what gives things mass, So it's able to
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Speaker 1: exist without seeming to be made of anything. So really
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Speaker 1: the true fundamental reality are these quantum fields. So this
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Speaker 1: ties back to CERN, because if quantum field theory were
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Speaker 1: not right, the LC ATCERN wouldn't be able to work
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Speaker 1: because it's not that a lot of people think that
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Speaker 1: what's happening there. So the LH is basically like a
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Speaker 1: large ring and they fire protons or you know whatever.
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Speaker 1: They do different particles, but the fire like two protons together,
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Speaker 1: are a string of them and one direction in one
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Speaker 1: direction another one and get they get it as close
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Speaker 1: as they can to the speed of light. It's not
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Speaker 1: exactly the speed of light because protons still do interact
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Speaker 1: with the Higgs fields, so you can't get fully to
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Speaker 1: the speed of light, but they can get pretty close
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Speaker 1: and then that that collision. A lot of people think
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Speaker 1: when two particles collide that they break apart and then
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Speaker 1: we're looking at all the stuff that they're made of.
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Speaker 1: That's not what's happening at all. So imagine again quantum
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Speaker 1: field theory. You don't only have like one field in
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Speaker 1: one spot. You have all fields in all spots. So
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Speaker 1: right now there's the electroagagative field and the gravity field,
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Speaker 1: and they both exist at the same time in the
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Speaker 1: same place, but they do different things. There's as many
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Speaker 1: and probably more than fifty seven of those wow that
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Speaker 1: we know of. So the idea is to discover a
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Speaker 1: new one. Well, you need to put energy into it.
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Speaker 1: So before we knew the Higgs field existed, they had
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Speaker 1: the theory about it and they thought, okay, well, if
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Speaker 1: we do this amount of energy at this time, it
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Speaker 1: should put energy into the Higgs field if it's there,
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Speaker 1: and reverberate it in a way that will create this particle.
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Speaker 1: And that spike is the particle. So really it's more
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Speaker 1: like ringing a bell. When these two particles collide, it
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Speaker 1: shoots out energy to all the surrounding fields. And if
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Speaker 1: we can get the energy just right and get everything
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Speaker 1: just right, we might vibrate a field that we haven't
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Speaker 1: discovered yet and the evidence is that the particle or
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Speaker 1: the spike and energy will be there. Well that's what
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Speaker 1: happened in twenty twelve they discovered So that discovery of
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Speaker 1: the Higgs boson not only did it prove I mean
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Speaker 1: they already kne quantum field theory was right because they've
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Speaker 1: discovered a bunch of things that turned before that. But
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Speaker 1: not only did it solidify that and also masses an interaction,
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Speaker 1: but they were able to actually show that the Higgs
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Speaker 1: field is. It exists, so the question is what other
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Speaker 1: fields might there be? Yeah, and as far as we know,
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Speaker 1: that's that's the best way to find out. You smash
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Speaker 1: two particles together, throw a bunch of energy into any
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Speaker 1: field that might be there, and then measure it and
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Speaker 1: then see if you find something that we don't know
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Speaker 1: about yet. That's how all new particles in our modern
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Speaker 1: age are discovered. So that that's uh, you know, it's
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Speaker 1: obviously more complicated than that, but that's like the basics
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Speaker 1: of just how the machine works, why it works, and
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Speaker 1: the just the quantum theory behind behind it. And and
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Speaker 1: they say too, quantum field theory is the most accurate
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Speaker 1: and predictive science that we have today. It's been proven
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Speaker 1: right literally millions of times, probably even more than that
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Speaker 1: at this point with all the particle collisions. But again,
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Speaker 1: it would not if particles were just little tiny pieces
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Speaker 1: of matter, if they weren't spikes and energy, which that
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Speaker 1: has all sorts of implications in it in itself. But
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Speaker 1: if that weren't the case, and if it was what
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Speaker 1: we thought that it's just little pieces of matter, the
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Speaker 1: lecy and work at all, we would learn nothing by
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Speaker 1: collegative articles together.
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Speaker 2: So here, I mean, so here we are with to me,
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Speaker 2: I think about the excitement of these discoveries, and it
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Speaker 2: also just reminds me of the humility that we should
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Speaker 2: have in that God's universe. You know, for most of
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Speaker 2: human history, they've lived, you know, they've died, they've worked,
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Speaker 2: whatever they've had, there's been you know, some research. You know,
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Speaker 2: certainly you go back to the Greeks and others in Egypt,
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Speaker 2: and they knew a lot of things, but they did
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Speaker 2: not have the equipment to do these sort of research efforts.
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Speaker 2: And so we're learning that the building the basics, even
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Speaker 2: the basics of the basics of the foundations of the
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Speaker 2: building blocks of how God's created as universe. And yet
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Speaker 2: it's what do you think in the sense of what
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Speaker 2: percentage do we have understanding of you know, a very
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Speaker 2: solid understand not only of the grand you know, area
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Speaker 2: of physics, the macro level, but also the quantum level.
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Speaker 2: What percentage of understanding do you think we have?
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Speaker 1: Very little? We we you know, there's there's a it's
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Speaker 1: hard to say because you don't know what you don't know.
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Speaker 1: So it's like, what do we compare it to we
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Speaker 1: obviously know a lot more today than we did fifty
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Speaker 1: years ago, you know, and our knowledge in that is increasing.
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Speaker 1: Something else I want to say too real quick, is
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Speaker 1: a lot of people they take this like binary approach
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Speaker 1: to these issues. It's either all good or it's all bad. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and a lot of people like I'm not a sern
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Speaker 1: apologist or anything. There's things that we that we can
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Speaker 1: talk about that's questionable to say the least, you know.
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Speaker 1: But there are also Christians working there, I know some
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Speaker 1: of them, and ninety nine point nine percent of the
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Speaker 1: people that work at certain I think are just curious scientists. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and they just want to know what stuff is made of.
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Speaker 1: I think it just it, you know, for most of them,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't go any deeper than that. Now, there are
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Speaker 1: people that have said some very weird things, and it
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Speaker 1: seems like that they want to use the LHC as
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Speaker 1: some kind of tool to to reach into other dimensions
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Speaker 1: and talk to other entities that might exist there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: even their science director had this quote that, well, first,
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Speaker 1: it's been on their website for a while that they
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Speaker 1: do want to if they can use the LHC to
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Speaker 1: do it. If not, the LHC then maybe the future
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Speaker 1: circular collider that they want to build in a few years,
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Speaker 1: or maybe China wants to build a really big one
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Speaker 1: at some point too, and maybe that would have enough
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Speaker 1: power to do it. I don't know if the LHC
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Speaker 1: does or not, but what they but it's it's definitely
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Speaker 1: in their goals that they want to first prove that
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Speaker 1: other dimensions exist, and then they want to learn how
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Speaker 1: to probe into them and map them out. And then
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Speaker 1: they've even they've even talked about how they could make
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Speaker 1: a communication system, how they could set up something to
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Speaker 1: see if there's something else on the other side. And
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Speaker 1: when I when I think of like alternate dimensions and
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Speaker 1: stuff like that, I'm thinking, like, that's the spirit world.
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Speaker 1: That's not like I don't believe in like the multiple
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Speaker 1: multiple world's theory of the maniverse theory, which is like
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Speaker 1: there's for every choice you make, there's another version of us.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that at all. But I do believe
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Speaker 1: in I do believe that there's more to reality than
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Speaker 1: just what we see in here. I believe there are
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Speaker 1: higher dimensions.
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Speaker 2: So when they're when they're doing this, let me just
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Speaker 2: ask this question for the sake of clarity, They're they're
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Speaker 2: not necessarily saying, oh, we want to get into the
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Speaker 2: spiritual rum and talk to a demon. Now they're thinking
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Speaker 2: that they're maybe talking to somebody that maybe through I'm
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Speaker 2: just throwing a word out here, maybe on the other
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Speaker 2: side of the universe or a wormhole or something like
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Speaker 2: that where they're able to cross that bridge. Or is
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Speaker 2: that I mean versus dimensions a little bit, you know,
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Speaker 2: they're a bit nebulous about.
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Speaker 1: What that really means. So it's not it's not as
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Speaker 1: much as they're trying to see if there's like some
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Speaker 1: other planet in the universe that has life. It's not that.
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Speaker 1: So with dimensions what they're talking about, there's two different
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Speaker 1: ways of looking at it. There's there's many dimensions in
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Speaker 1: many universes, so in the many worlds or many universes,
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Speaker 1: it's basically like what what I mentioned that many people
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Speaker 1: have heard before. You know this, this is most sci
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Speaker 1: fi TV shows and movies. They'll take this interpretation if
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Speaker 1: they deal with a multiverse. So I know, like like
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Speaker 1: Marvel movies are really big for sure.
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Speaker 2: The New Loki series is very much like that.
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Speaker 1: So that that idea of the multiverse is called many worlds. Basically,
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Speaker 1: there's other variants of of yourself that you know, made
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Speaker 1: different decisions and all that. I don't see any evidence
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Speaker 1: for that. And and actually in quantum physics you would
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Speaker 1: have to have you'd have to explain a lot, because
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Speaker 1: you would have to have something that is generating these universes.
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Speaker 1: So you'd have to explain how that worked. You know,
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Speaker 1: the have you heard of the find I'm sure you
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Speaker 1: have the fine tuning argument, Yeah, well you would have that,
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Speaker 1: And just for those who don't know, it just basically
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Speaker 1: says that like our world, our reality is created so
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Speaker 1: finely tuned that it must have been from an intelligent mind.
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Speaker 1: Because if one, like if the atomic weight of like
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Speaker 1: one one of these elements is off by a little bit,
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Speaker 1: life can't exist. And there's like thousands of these or millions,
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Speaker 1: probably well you would have to amplify that up to
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Speaker 1: many degrees of magnitude to compensate for some type of
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Speaker 1: universe creating engine, type of thing that's making these new
18:15
Speaker 1: universes every time somebody makes a new choice. And you know,
18:18
Speaker 1: they like to say that that would be infinite. It
18:20
Speaker 1: wouldn't be infinite, but it would be a number much
18:23
Speaker 1: larger than anybody could ever fathom. I don't believe in
18:27
Speaker 1: that at all. I don't think quantum physics supports it.
18:30
Speaker 1: And you know, again I'm not I'm not as strong
18:32
Speaker 1: and on the on the math side of it. So
18:34
Speaker 1: I have to I have to kind of listen to
18:36
Speaker 1: people that are can understand that better than I can.
18:41
Speaker 1: So Stephen Meyer is a great example of somebody. And
18:43
Speaker 1: this is this is where I first heard this from,
18:45
Speaker 1: from his book God Principle. Yeah, yeah, I think it
18:49
Speaker 1: was that, and I thought he did an excellent job. Elater. Yeah.
18:53
Speaker 1: So so that's that's many universes or many worlds. Higher
18:58
Speaker 1: dimensions is something different, This one I do believe in.
19:01
Speaker 1: So when they say higher dimensions, they're talking about in
19:05
Speaker 1: our world. In our three dimensional world, we have, you know,
19:08
Speaker 1: a line forward and backward that would be one dimension.
19:11
Speaker 1: You know, we're three dimensional beings in space if we
19:15
Speaker 1: don't count time. So we have forward, backward, left, and right,
19:19
Speaker 1: up and down. So those are the three dimensions of
19:22
Speaker 1: space that we can understand, and then we do have
19:26
Speaker 1: one of time. The idea of higher dimensions is, well,
19:31
Speaker 1: what if if something of four dimensions? If a space
19:34
Speaker 1: of four dimensions existed somewhere, well, we wouldn't know it
19:39
Speaker 1: because we wouldn't be able to see it. Even if
19:41
Speaker 1: we were right in it. You could, you could see
19:43
Speaker 1: it to a certain extent, but you would still see
19:45
Speaker 1: it with a three dimensional perception, so you wouldn't even
19:48
Speaker 1: necessarily know that you were in it. It'd be like
19:51
Speaker 1: if if two dimensional people existed. And this this is
19:54
Speaker 1: a common example that's given. Let's let's say there's a
19:59
Speaker 1: two dimensional uni versus right in front of us, and
20:01
Speaker 1: it doesn't even have to be that big, and it's
20:03
Speaker 1: got inhabitants called flat landers. Well, they don't know up
20:06
Speaker 1: or down. They only know left, right forward, backward. They
20:09
Speaker 1: are physically impossible. It's physically impossible for them to move
20:13
Speaker 1: up or down. They can't understand up or down. To them,
20:15
Speaker 1: everything is like a flat line in their vision, and
20:18
Speaker 1: they have to go based on that. Well, even though
20:22
Speaker 1: if it were right here, they would be part of
20:24
Speaker 1: our three dimensional world, they just wouldn't know it because
20:26
Speaker 1: they don't have one of those dimensions. They don't have
20:28
Speaker 1: the third one. Same with us. If our universe, our
20:32
Speaker 1: three dimensional universe, was actually and there is some evidence
20:35
Speaker 1: to support this was actually part of a four or
20:39
Speaker 1: five or six spatial or even higher I think as
20:41
Speaker 1: many as twelve spatial dimensional reality. We would never know
20:46
Speaker 1: it now if something from up there, if something from
20:48
Speaker 1: the higher dimensions came and interacted with us, we would
20:52
Speaker 1: certainly know that. Just like if I put my finger
20:54
Speaker 1: in flat land in front of a flat lander, he
20:56
Speaker 1: would see my finger. He would only see a straight
20:59
Speaker 1: line cross section of it. But he would see my finger,
21:01
Speaker 1: and I can move it around and do all sorts
21:03
Speaker 1: of weird things that he wouldn't know about, and it
21:05
Speaker 1: would probably look really weird to them. And then when
21:07
Speaker 1: I pulled my finger out, it would it'd be like
21:09
Speaker 1: just mine just disappeared. It shrunk and disappeared. Isn't it
21:12
Speaker 1: funny how there's a lot of UFO reports where these
21:15
Speaker 1: three dimensional balls will just shrink and disappear, And so
21:19
Speaker 1: it's so similar to what it would actually be like
21:22
Speaker 1: if a four or fifth dimensional being or structure or
21:25
Speaker 1: something were to breach our universe. Some of these UFO
21:29
Speaker 1: reports are and these are quantum physicists. The wouldn't know
21:32
Speaker 1: how to explain it like this, but they explain it
21:36
Speaker 1: in such a way where it's like that. I think
21:38
Speaker 1: that's some kind of four dimensional object. Don't know what
21:41
Speaker 1: it is or you know, don't know anything about that,
21:43
Speaker 1: but that's how it would be. That's how it would behave.
21:47
Speaker 1: So the idea of higher dimensions, I believe that that's true.
21:51
Speaker 1: I think it can even be biblically supportive because you know,
21:53
Speaker 1: maybe not as much the dimensional quantum physics aspect, but
21:56
Speaker 1: there are parts. Obviously we know Heaven and Hell, we
21:59
Speaker 1: know that their spiritual reality beyond our own. And I've
22:02
Speaker 1: kind of grown from thinking that that was, you know,
22:06
Speaker 1: more like a ghostly, wispy kind of thing. I think
22:08
Speaker 1: it's actually super physical, like more real than what we're
22:11
Speaker 1: living now, and we're so limited we just can't perceive
22:16
Speaker 1: that we're a part of this larger, multi dimensional universe.
22:20
Speaker 1: So when CERN is saying that they want to probe
22:22
Speaker 1: these higher dimensions, what there Basically I equate this to
22:28
Speaker 1: when people try to reach out or pray to false
22:32
Speaker 1: gods or the other worldly entities that are clearly not physical.
22:37
Speaker 1: They're not of our universe, but they're there and they exist,
22:40
Speaker 1: and people petition those things in like witchcraft and sorcery
22:43
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I think it's a similar thing
22:46
Speaker 1: on the spiritual side the way that we Christians would
22:48
Speaker 1: interpret it. They're not looking at it like that, they're
22:50
Speaker 1: looking at it as if Okay, there is evidence that
22:55
Speaker 1: our universe is more than three spatial dimensions, we just
22:58
Speaker 1: can't perceive it. So how that we prove that? Well,
23:01
Speaker 1: in what we can perceive, we know that there's human beings,
23:04
Speaker 1: and there's there's intelligent life. Maybe in the higher dimensions
23:07
Speaker 1: there are too, So maybe we can send a message
23:10
Speaker 1: and and see if we can get one back. And
23:14
Speaker 1: here's how they would do it. It's actually it's actually kind
23:15
Speaker 1: of clever. But so I think this would be one
23:19
Speaker 1: of the very next things that would occur if and
23:23
Speaker 1: when the graviton has ever discovered. So there's a even
23:27
Speaker 1: though we haven't discovered the graviton yet, we know it
23:30
Speaker 1: exists because there's a gravitational field, and we can buy
23:33
Speaker 1: by doing measurements on the gravitational field and learning everything
23:36
Speaker 1: we can about it. There are certain mathematical realities that
23:40
Speaker 1: would have to be true for the graviton to exist.
23:43
Speaker 1: So there's things that they know about the graviton that
23:45
Speaker 1: have to that have to be true. But they haven't
23:48
Speaker 1: observed it yet. One of those things is that if
23:51
Speaker 1: higher dimensions exist, gravitons can leak into them. They can
23:55
Speaker 1: buy their own nature just go between. So and that
23:59
Speaker 1: might be why they're hard to detect, because they could
24:03
Speaker 1: be passing in and out of higher dimensions. But that
24:06
Speaker 1: also might be and this, this is one of the
24:07
Speaker 1: biggest pieces of evidence, is that might be why gravity
24:11
Speaker 1: is so weak compared to the other three main forces
24:15
Speaker 1: of nature that we know exactly. And this was what
24:17
Speaker 1: Einstein was searching for the theory of everything. You know,
24:20
Speaker 1: So we have the strong and weak nuclear forces, electromagnetism,
24:24
Speaker 1: and then gravity and the strong the strong and weak
24:28
Speaker 1: nuclear forces and electromagnetism. They've been able to be understood mathematically,
24:34
Speaker 1: and they've been able to be you know, in a
24:36
Speaker 1: way that makes sense. And they're all roughly about equal strength,
24:40
Speaker 1: so it all makes sense. Gravity is so weak, though
24:42
Speaker 1: for some reason, and it's a huge mystery. Einstein couldn't
24:45
Speaker 1: figure it out, and it might have been because he
24:47
Speaker 1: didn't really like the quantum stuff. But gravity is so
24:52
Speaker 1: weak compared to the other three forces. Nobody knows why,
24:56
Speaker 1: and it's easy to demonstrate if you have. If you
24:58
Speaker 1: put a paper clip on the table, the entire Earth
25:00
Speaker 1: is pulling down on that, not really pulling down, but
25:03
Speaker 1: the entire Earth is warping gravity in such a way
25:07
Speaker 1: that that paper clip is staying to the table. But
25:10
Speaker 1: you can take a magnet off the refrigerator and it
25:13
Speaker 1: easily overcomes the gravity of the entire world. That's how
25:16
Speaker 1: weak it is. And we typically don't think about it
25:18
Speaker 1: like that. But so it's like, why are the other
25:20
Speaker 1: three so comparable but gravity isn't. Well, the idea is
25:25
Speaker 1: if gravity can go through other dimensions, that's probably where
25:28
Speaker 1: the extra gravity.
25:29
Speaker 2: Is, Like it's dispersed into these exactly.
25:32
Speaker 1: And that could help explain dark matter. It could possibly
25:37
Speaker 1: help explain dark energy. Dark matter is this idea that
25:41
Speaker 1: there's a lot of matter out in the universe, a
25:43
Speaker 1: lot of it that we can't see, we can't measure,
25:47
Speaker 1: but we know it's there because it affects gravity. Basically,
25:50
Speaker 1: galaxies spin too fast to be able to be held
25:53
Speaker 1: together by their own gravity. They should all have flown
25:56
Speaker 1: apart by now yeah.
25:57
Speaker 2: And they should be blurred out by now.
25:59
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, But for some reason they're not. So they
26:02
Speaker 1: kind of just put this word well, the dark matter.
26:05
Speaker 1: We don't know what to call it, yeah, exactly. And
26:07
Speaker 1: you know, one of the leading theories is it's it's
26:09
Speaker 1: some kind of weakly interacting particle or something, and we
26:13
Speaker 1: just haven't discovered it yet. But I think one of
26:15
Speaker 1: the easier and it would explain everything, is that, well,
26:20
Speaker 1: that gravity is leaking into other dimensions because there's other
26:23
Speaker 1: structures there, there's other creation, there's other things there. You know,
26:27
Speaker 1: the Earth actually exerts more of a gravitational pull than
26:32
Speaker 1: it should based on its mass, you know, I mean,
26:35
Speaker 1: and I'm not I'm not taking this hyperliterally, but we
26:38
Speaker 1: read in the Bible about other creational aspects that we
26:41
Speaker 1: might not be able to see. And yeah, I'm fully
26:44
Speaker 1: aware that like a lot of this is poetic and stuff.
26:46
Speaker 1: But you know, pillars in the Earth, there's you know,
26:48
Speaker 1: all these things that hell is in the bowels of
26:50
Speaker 1: the Earth. We know that at least in some way,
26:53
Speaker 1: even if it is just all poetic. But I don't
26:55
Speaker 1: think it all is. But in some way, there seems
26:58
Speaker 1: to be structures in the Earth that aren't aren't purely physical,
27:01
Speaker 1: Like I don't think if we drill down deep enough
27:03
Speaker 1: into the Earth, we're gonna find Hell, you know, I
27:05
Speaker 1: think it's going to be just the molten magma and
27:07
Speaker 1: you know, the core and all of that. But in
27:09
Speaker 1: a spiritual sense, or even in an extra dimensional sense,
27:13
Speaker 1: Hell could absolutely be there and we would never see it.
27:15
Speaker 1: The Garden of Eden could be exactly where it always was,
27:19
Speaker 1: and it's just in a higher dimension now and so
27:21
Speaker 1: we don't see it. Maybe that's what the sword was cutting,
27:24
Speaker 1: you know, our connection with higher dimensions.
27:26
Speaker 2: And well we see this, you know, it seems strange.
27:28
Speaker 2: And again it's a hard thing with using spiritual dimensions.
27:31
Speaker 2: It's sometimes you just saw the word spiritual on it.
27:33
Speaker 2: But we see this in Second King six, you know,
27:36
Speaker 2: with Elisha and a servant, you know, and he's like,
27:38
Speaker 2: did the Lord open his eyes for that?
27:40
Speaker 1: He could see and.
27:41
Speaker 2: The veil was removed and he was able to see
27:45
Speaker 2: these other entities. Yep, good and bad there. But the
27:49
Speaker 2: chariots of fire, the angels with the host of heaven.
27:52
Speaker 2: It will say it that way. Yep, we're there, and
27:55
Speaker 2: they were there, but they were veiled, and so that
27:58
Speaker 2: tells us too, I think too. The there's a passage
28:01
Speaker 2: which goes back. People talk about this in Ephesians three eighteen. Uh,
28:06
Speaker 2: Paul is writing, and he says that so that Christ
28:10
Speaker 2: may dwell in your hearts through faith, that you, being
28:12
Speaker 2: rooted and grounded in love, may have strength to comprehend
28:15
Speaker 2: with all the saints. What is the breadth and length
28:18
Speaker 2: and height and depth?
28:19
Speaker 1: Yeah? For four dimensions?
28:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, four aspects there. You're like, what the world did?
28:23
Speaker 1: Did you just get the wrong and they're all spatial dimensions?
28:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are all spatial.
28:29
Speaker 1: Yep.
28:29
Speaker 2: Exactly, there's no time there. Uh, you know, breadth, length, height,
28:33
Speaker 2: and depth. So it's it's almost like you have again
28:36
Speaker 2: length and with height and then the depth is to
28:39
Speaker 2: me is like, well what exactly? That's that's almost like
28:42
Speaker 2: what I see there is like the second King six yep.
28:46
Speaker 2: Let me let me switch, not switch, but just segue
28:48
Speaker 2: a little bit because you know, the one of the things,
28:53
Speaker 2: you know, in our remaining time here, you just did
28:56
Speaker 2: a video recently and we have it on our prop
29:00
Speaker 2: wh Watchers YouTube channel, and of course you had it
29:02
Speaker 2: on your daily renegade channel.
29:04
Speaker 1: Thank you for reposting that.
29:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, way out on the occultic side of Cerne, because
29:09
Speaker 2: I think one of the things we just you know,
29:12
Speaker 2: we're spending time here. We've just spent time talking about
29:15
Speaker 2: the scientific side. There isn't ocultic side to it. And
29:19
Speaker 2: what I what I want to do in my own
29:22
Speaker 2: mind is always keep that balance. Where again, we love conspiracy,
29:28
Speaker 2: but I don't believe every conspiracy. Yeah right, And so
29:31
Speaker 2: how do we I guess I'll say it this way too,
29:33
Speaker 2: how do we balance that out? Because what I've noticed
29:37
Speaker 2: is that people are extremely interested in these fringe topics.
29:42
Speaker 2: They're not if it's just as we're going to talk
29:44
Speaker 2: about the science of cern nobody, very few people to
29:48
Speaker 2: be interested and we start talking we're going to talk
29:49
Speaker 2: about the occult side. Now everybody, you know, you might
29:52
Speaker 2: have fifty thousand views or something or more, and I
29:56
Speaker 2: think you know, it's natural for people to be drawn
29:58
Speaker 2: to the mysterious or of those things. But on the
30:00
Speaker 2: other hand, we want to, uh, we want to present
30:03
Speaker 2: a balanced approach. Uh. You for example, your you talk
30:08
Speaker 2: about the in your your upcoming brands and message, you know, portals.
30:13
Speaker 2: You're gonna talk about portals, even going back to the
30:16
Speaker 2: book that I think you co wrote it with Tom Hornem. Yeah,
30:19
Speaker 2: a bad Abbot on ascending Yep. The what what were
30:23
Speaker 2: you guys doing That was many years ago, seventy years ago.
30:26
Speaker 2: I think, what were you guys doing there? And uh
30:29
Speaker 2: and and and again you know, uh, Tom had his
30:32
Speaker 2: perspective and you obviously had a contribution. What what was
30:35
Speaker 2: what was the goal of that that particular book. Yeah,
30:39
Speaker 2: it was because you guys talked about that so much,
30:41
Speaker 2: all the theology there, because we're not tire for that.
30:43
Speaker 2: But as it relates to CERN.
30:44
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Well, we wanted to look at each
30:46
Speaker 1: of these because we had the same question like, okay,
30:49
Speaker 1: how do we how can we tell if any of
30:51
Speaker 1: these claims about CERN that we see online is true?
30:54
Speaker 1: And we figured, well, the easiest way is just to
30:56
Speaker 1: take each one and uh and and analyze it and
31:01
Speaker 1: look into it and then kind of use that with
31:05
Speaker 1: the broad picture of what CERN is and what it
31:06
Speaker 1: does in its history, because there is some weird history
31:09
Speaker 1: there too. We like, you know, we talked about so far,
31:12
Speaker 1: we've talked about mainly just the mainstream stuff, the mainstream
31:15
Speaker 1: history and the science. But for example, one one of
31:18
Speaker 1: the things that Tom was really interested in. He wrote
31:21
Speaker 1: half of the book. I wrote the other half. And
31:23
Speaker 1: it was funny when we when we wrote the book.
31:24
Speaker 1: We didn't like we weren't calling each other a whole
31:27
Speaker 1: lot or like collaborating like he he wrote his half
31:29
Speaker 1: the way he wanted and I wrote mine the way
31:31
Speaker 1: I wanted, and they I thought they came together really,
31:33
Speaker 1: really well. But he handled a lot more of the
31:39
Speaker 1: like historical aspects of it. So when they were first
31:41
Speaker 1: actually building cern they had to stop digging. And by
31:47
Speaker 1: the way, what a weird place to pick for this
31:51
Speaker 1: large machine. I sort of get the underground thing, because
31:55
Speaker 1: you know, they don't want other particles coming in and
31:59
Speaker 1: effect their results. Some of the underground makes sense.
32:02
Speaker 2: Some of the easier or I would say, less robust particles.
32:06
Speaker 2: I mean, you think about a neutrino can go through anything.
32:08
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not gonna mess with Yeah that'll that'll go through.
32:10
Speaker 2: But some of the other particles, electro magnet radiation, I
32:13
Speaker 2: can see where they put them around to.
32:15
Speaker 1: I get that. But it's like, if you're gonna if
32:17
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna build underground, you'd want to I
32:18
Speaker 1: would think you would want to pick like the easiest
32:20
Speaker 1: place you could, and they picked something that's like it's
32:22
Speaker 1: in the it's literally in the middle of the border
32:25
Speaker 1: of two countries, France and Switzers and now yeah, in
32:27
Speaker 1: the Alps, of all places, and that's where you're going
32:30
Speaker 1: to build this thing. But what's weird. And the reason
32:33
Speaker 1: I question that is because they actually had to stop
32:35
Speaker 1: construction because they found a whole bunch of Roman ruins.
32:38
Speaker 1: It turns out the area that they picked. I don't
32:41
Speaker 1: know if they knew it or not. I have no idea.
32:43
Speaker 1: This could have just been some big coincidence. I don't know,
32:45
Speaker 1: but it's it is, It's of noe. It's just it's interesting.
32:48
Speaker 1: But the area that they decided to build this on
32:51
Speaker 1: was in ancient times it was a Roman city or
32:55
Speaker 1: commune or something called a polliacum, and they venerated Apollo there,
32:59
Speaker 1: and uh, I'm found in his research that they actually
33:01
Speaker 1: believe that the Bottomless Pit was there, and it just
33:05
Speaker 1: seems a little I don't have any evidence to say like, okay,
33:09
Speaker 1: they definitely yeah, I don't have any evidence for that,
33:12
Speaker 1: but it's just it seems too coincidental, Like what is
33:17
Speaker 1: what are the chances? Because especially that makes me think
33:20
Speaker 1: of Revelation nine. You got Apollo there, you know, a
33:24
Speaker 1: Poleon avid on and you you have these.
33:27
Speaker 2: Things coming out of the bottom left the I mean
33:29
Speaker 2: you have these beings, these screatures. Yeah, absolutely exactly.
33:32
Speaker 1: And so you know, I've I've wondered, and I wrote
33:34
Speaker 1: about this in the book, like I wonder if the
33:36
Speaker 1: catalyst of that is this communication system that they want
33:40
Speaker 1: to develop, And basically the way that it would work
33:43
Speaker 1: is if they can if they can find Oh I
33:46
Speaker 1: mentioned this before, this is going to be the next
33:47
Speaker 1: thing if if they ever discover gravitons. If they discover gravitons, like,
33:50
Speaker 1: look real closely at what they want to do with it,
33:53
Speaker 1: because there have been plans for I think decades at
33:56
Speaker 1: this point that if they can ever learn how to
33:58
Speaker 1: manipulate gravitons, it'd be really easy to send a message
34:01
Speaker 1: to a higher dimension to see if it exists, because
34:04
Speaker 1: you can alter the spin and they know you have
34:06
Speaker 1: just a string of gravitons, and then alter the spin.
34:08
Speaker 1: You know, have one up, one down, one down, one up,
34:11
Speaker 1: have it like a Morse code ye, and you can
34:14
Speaker 1: and they naturally go into other dimensions anyway, So you
34:16
Speaker 1: can send it into another dimension and have a receiver
34:20
Speaker 1: set up and just wait and see if you get
34:22
Speaker 1: a response. A response to me, that really sounds like
34:24
Speaker 1: praying to false God's you know, that's like sending a
34:26
Speaker 1: message to false God. So what if and this is
34:28
Speaker 1: a big what if. I don't know, but you know,
34:30
Speaker 1: what if by Revelation nine, something like that is happening
34:33
Speaker 1: and God says, hey, you know what you want these things?
34:36
Speaker 1: You know you're so obsessed with talking to them. You
34:38
Speaker 1: got it? You know, gates are open, Yeah, gates are open.
34:41
Speaker 1: And then and then the bottom was pit opens and
34:43
Speaker 1: these things are let out. So I've speculated on that
34:46
Speaker 1: before that that could be a possible weight that Revelation
34:49
Speaker 1: nine could be fulfilled just because of all these connections
34:51
Speaker 1: with you know, Apollo and and the bottom was pit
34:55
Speaker 1: and all that. So they actually had to stop construction
34:58
Speaker 1: to get all the artifacts and everything out of there.
35:01
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. Uh And yeah, again I can't I
35:05
Speaker 1: can't prove intent on that. There's other things too. Obviously
35:08
Speaker 1: they were they were gifted a statue. I forget the
35:13
Speaker 1: forget the guy's actual name, but it's it's a it's
35:17
Speaker 1: basically an Indian statue of what's called the Nataraya dance
35:22
Speaker 1: of of Siva and basically in Indian religion, mythology whatever
35:28
Speaker 1: we want to call it. When I say Indian, I
35:31
Speaker 1: don't mean Native American like actual Indian in India Indian,
35:35
Speaker 1: but in their in their religion, mythology whatever. Uh. This
35:42
Speaker 1: this depicts the destruction and recreation of the universe. So
35:47
Speaker 1: you literally see Shiva in this what looks like a
35:50
Speaker 1: portal of fire, and and that was gifted discern and
35:57
Speaker 1: so without actually seeing or hearing the conversations, it's I mean,
36:01
Speaker 1: they they proudly display this and at the entrance of
36:06
Speaker 1: But I wonder like, is it only because it was
36:09
Speaker 1: gifted to them? Does that mean that because they accepted
36:12
Speaker 1: the gift that they embrace that that they embrace the
36:16
Speaker 1: idea that cern is gonna.
36:17
Speaker 2: Well, because let's let's put it together for a minute.
36:19
Speaker 2: Just I mean, you have you have people who made
36:22
Speaker 2: this gift and they're thinking about in their mythology. Uh,
36:25
Speaker 2: this this god, little g who is again as you said,
36:32
Speaker 2: is part of the creative forces. Yeah, well they're thinking, Hey,
36:35
Speaker 2: that's kind of what you guys are doing from a
36:36
Speaker 2: scientific perspue. You're looking at the these forces right of
36:40
Speaker 2: going back to the which I don't believe in the
36:42
Speaker 2: Big Bang, but at least in that in that paradigm
36:46
Speaker 2: the Big Bang, all these these forces, these particles had
36:49
Speaker 2: to be manufactured, created through you know whatever at the time.
36:54
Speaker 2: So they're thinking, you're trying to rediscover the forces that
36:57
Speaker 2: brought us everything here. Well, that's our that's Shiva, that
37:01
Speaker 2: is in our paradigm. And so I could see where
37:06
Speaker 2: from one perspective to another they accepted it. It is
37:10
Speaker 2: the god of destruction but also creation too.
37:14
Speaker 1: Right, it's make a recreation because, like I guess, Shiva
37:19
Speaker 1: is part of what's called the Trimurti, which is their
37:22
Speaker 1: trinity basically. Uh and it gets recreated for Brahma or
37:26
Speaker 1: something like that. Uh so yeah, it's a destruction and
37:29
Speaker 1: a recreation.
37:30
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, which is what I mean. So in that sense,
37:32
Speaker 2: like you said, did they put it out there in
37:34
Speaker 2: honor and gratitude? Thank you? As we as we know,
37:40
Speaker 2: most scientists are secular a thesis.
37:44
Speaker 1: They're not gonna think anything about this stuff. Yeah.
37:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. So you have the scientists, the thousands of scientists
37:48
Speaker 2: that are working there amongst all of it, and then
37:50
Speaker 2: as we said before, you have the CERN Council. Yeah,
37:53
Speaker 2: that's what and the council you know, you never know
37:56
Speaker 2: what's going on in the council about what they're what
37:59
Speaker 2: they're doing, what they're allowing. We can we can even
38:03
Speaker 2: bring up the the parody that they had there. Yeah,
38:07
Speaker 2: I mean there was a drama that was done there
38:11
Speaker 2: that was very occultic and did they Let's just be honest, Okay, Christians, uh,
38:18
Speaker 2: for good reason were very sensitive to understanding because we
38:21
Speaker 2: know what's on the other side of the spiritual world real,
38:23
Speaker 2: so it's right for us to not not dabble in
38:26
Speaker 2: ugi boards and other things like that.
38:28
Speaker 1: Correct.
38:29
Speaker 2: On the other hand, if you're a secularist, it's easy
38:33
Speaker 2: to get Christians worked up, yeah, because all you get
38:36
Speaker 2: is like, hey, let's let's see, let's watch the Christians
38:38
Speaker 2: just run with this, and they can, they can, they
38:40
Speaker 2: can tempt us to they they lay the crumbs out
38:43
Speaker 2: for us, and then we react.
38:45
Speaker 1: And I wonder how often that happens too. And I
38:48
Speaker 1: don't even think it has to be this necessarily like
38:51
Speaker 1: really deep nefarious. It's probably they just want cern out
38:53
Speaker 1: there in the news so they can get more funding.
38:55
Speaker 1: And you know, these articles are going to get more
38:57
Speaker 1: clicks for advertising, and I mean money. May the world
39:00
Speaker 1: go around. I think that's probably if they're doing that,
39:02
Speaker 1: which why wouldn't they It works. I mean, just like
39:06
Speaker 1: recently this this is this is one of those decisions
39:09
Speaker 1: that made me think, I wonder if it's this when
39:11
Speaker 1: they decided on the one of the most recent eclipses
39:15
Speaker 1: that they were gonna start the machine like on that day. Yes,
39:18
Speaker 1: And it's like, are they trying to get us worked up?
39:21
Speaker 1: Because they did? Yeah, I know. I mean the articles
39:24
Speaker 1: went everywhere, like people blew up about it, but when
39:26
Speaker 1: you really think about it scientifically, what damage is that
39:29
Speaker 1: going to cause? Like why would it be why would
39:31
Speaker 1: the particles act any differently during an eclipse like they wouldn't?
39:34
Speaker 1: And to me, it's like, I think that was just
39:36
Speaker 1: to get people worked up, so cern stays in the
39:38
Speaker 1: news and it's one of those things.
39:40
Speaker 2: That's unprovable because you know, you could hear the argument
39:43
Speaker 2: it's like, well, that's what they want you to believe
39:45
Speaker 2: that they was just an accident. They did it in
39:47
Speaker 2: order to do it, but they really did it with
39:49
Speaker 2: sinister reasons. Well, again, we none of us have proof.
39:52
Speaker 1: Either way exactly.
39:53
Speaker 2: But regardless that I do know that Christians can get worked.
39:59
Speaker 3: Up totally easy.
40:00
Speaker 1: You know myself.
40:01
Speaker 2: We can react and we're not beyond reacting emotionally or
40:05
Speaker 2: from a conspiracy mind, sure, because we know there's a
40:08
Speaker 2: master conspirator. But I think at the end of this
40:10
Speaker 2: is just trying to create, to be balanced and not run,
40:15
Speaker 2: not to run so fast when the evidence is or
40:19
Speaker 2: to build so much on coincidences. I hear that God's
40:21
Speaker 2: not a god of coincidence as well, there's no I
40:24
Speaker 2: agree with that, But what he means from it and
40:28
Speaker 2: what we think he means is usually nine and a
40:31
Speaker 2: half percent of the time different. But yet we we
40:33
Speaker 2: we imbue our meaning into what we God must have
40:38
Speaker 2: allowed this or it's not a coincidence or whatever. So anyways,
40:42
Speaker 2: I think as we look at the as we look
40:44
Speaker 2: at CERN, CERN is amazing what it's doing scientifically. People
40:48
Speaker 2: probably might get mad at me versus simply saying that,
40:51
Speaker 2: but they're from a scientific, respective perspective. They're trying to
40:53
Speaker 2: understand these things. How occultic are they? Again, I'm not
40:58
Speaker 2: going to defend.
40:59
Speaker 3: That because I don't know.
41:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to say. You could have You could
41:02
Speaker 1: have just like ten people at the very top that
41:05
Speaker 1: are super occultic and the vast majority of everybody else
41:09
Speaker 1: underneath has no clue, Like you just don't know. And
41:11
Speaker 1: then every once in a while some of these, you know,
41:13
Speaker 1: some of these quotes will slip out, like Sergio Berlucci
41:15
Speaker 1: said that if they ever do probe these dimensions and
41:18
Speaker 1: open a portal that unknowns or unknown unknowns might come through. Yes, yeah,
41:24
Speaker 1: the weird, weird quote. And then that was from their
41:27
Speaker 1: science director. So you never really know. And I think
41:30
Speaker 1: you know, you're right. You can't say it's really just
41:33
Speaker 1: all absolute one hundred percent evil or it's all absolute
41:36
Speaker 1: hundred percent good. Everything in life has some some bit
41:39
Speaker 1: of both in there, almost everything. So I think by
41:44
Speaker 1: and large the majority they're looking at this as a
41:47
Speaker 1: scientific exercise. There could be people at the top that
41:51
Speaker 1: know that and they're utilizing that, and they're they're trying
41:54
Speaker 1: to steer it in a certain way that they know
41:56
Speaker 1: they're not going to get any pushed back from scientists
41:58
Speaker 1: because they're not not spiritual at all. They're not thinking anything.
42:02
Speaker 1: So it's perfectly pos I've said before, it's perfectly possible
42:06
Speaker 1: that there could be some dark cabal behind the scenes
42:08
Speaker 1: running everything, etcern But we don't have any proof of it.
42:10
Speaker 1: We don't. We wouldn't know. And the experiments at least
42:12
Speaker 1: for right now that they're doing.
42:14
Speaker 2: It's real science.
42:15
Speaker 1: It's real, actual science. A lot some of this stuff
42:18
Speaker 1: you can do in your own home. Like it's you know,
42:20
Speaker 1: not to that scale, but uh, you could build a
42:22
Speaker 1: particle collider in your own home. You take two flashlights,
42:24
Speaker 1: put them together in turm on. That's a particle collide.
42:27
Speaker 1: It's not gonna do anything because they're photons. But and
42:29
Speaker 1: there there's other there's other ways that you could. You
42:31
Speaker 1: could build really simple particle colliders too. You can even
42:34
Speaker 1: buy them. Uh. But this this idea that well, it's
42:39
Speaker 1: dangerous because it's it's tearing holes in reality and it's
42:42
Speaker 1: creating these portals and stuff. The thing that I think
42:46
Speaker 1: people like it's really important to understand is what they're
42:49
Speaker 1: doing at CERN is no different than what's happening in
42:52
Speaker 1: our atmosphere every single day since the Earth came into existence.
42:56
Speaker 1: That yeah, so we have cosmic rays coming in and
42:59
Speaker 1: hitting our our atmosphere on Earth all the.
43:01
Speaker 2: Time from other parts of the galaxy and the universe.
43:06
Speaker 1: It asolutely and it's good that we have an atmosphere
43:08
Speaker 1: because it protects us from that all those rays are
43:09
Speaker 1: really harmful. So what happens is you have probably billions
43:13
Speaker 1: or trillions of particle collisions all the time in the
43:15
Speaker 1: atmosphere as these things are constantly bombarding the Earth, and
43:19
Speaker 1: the particles that are there in the atmosphere, you know,
43:21
Speaker 1: they're they're striking into them. Protects us. But if if,
43:25
Speaker 1: if a particle collision is what creates a portal to
43:28
Speaker 1: a higher dimension, one more ain't gonna do anything, you know,
43:31
Speaker 1: one more at ceren isn't going to do anything, they
43:33
Speaker 1: would have trillions of them in our in our atmosphere,
43:36
Speaker 1: and it would have always been like that since the
43:38
Speaker 1: beginning of time. So to me, the portal thing? Now,
43:42
Speaker 1: could they I mean they have they do have plans
43:44
Speaker 1: that they want to build some more powerful uh colliders
43:48
Speaker 1: that maybe it could get to the energy point where
43:51
Speaker 1: something like that could happen. But it's all it's just
43:54
Speaker 1: we don't know, like it's it's it's all completely hypothetical.
43:57
Speaker 1: So they they do want to build they call it
44:00
Speaker 1: the Future Circular Collider, which will be more powerful than
44:03
Speaker 1: the LHC, which is we're probably a long way away
44:07
Speaker 1: from that. I don't know the exact year, but lots
44:10
Speaker 1: of money, Yeah, lots of money, and which apparently they're
44:13
Speaker 1: having a hard time coming up with right now too,
44:15
Speaker 1: which could be why all the news stories. And you know,
44:19
Speaker 1: I just found out that CERN was trending on on
44:21
Speaker 1: X recently. But then when you look at the stories,
44:23
Speaker 1: it's like nothing there. There really wasn't any reason for it,
44:26
Speaker 1: Like there was no big news. It's not like they
44:28
Speaker 1: discovered some new particles. There was nothing. So it makes
44:32
Speaker 1: me wonder, you know, how often that they put those
44:33
Speaker 1: stories out there to keep keep the attention to them,
44:37
Speaker 1: donors and stuff like that. So yeah, you know, a
44:39
Speaker 1: good a good balance, especially like with the portal thing.
44:43
Speaker 1: Could a portal open up? I mean, we know so
44:45
Speaker 1: little about this that literally, I mean, almost anything's possible.
44:49
Speaker 1: But just because it's possible and we know so little
44:52
Speaker 1: about it, doesn't that I don't think that's enough to
44:55
Speaker 1: warrant having a solid belief that this is just pure
45:00
Speaker 1: early evil in any particle collision is purely satanic. They're
45:02
Speaker 1: all portals to hell, and I just I don't I
45:06
Speaker 1: don't see for one that by now there would be
45:08
Speaker 1: billions of a map sern. I mean, they've done this
45:10
Speaker 1: so much the whole thing would be I mean, it
45:13
Speaker 1: would be hell on Earth if that were the case.
45:16
Speaker 1: But yeah, again the cosmic race stuff, they they haven't
45:19
Speaker 1: done anything. And I don't believe we even have the
45:22
Speaker 1: technology to do anything that surpasses what happens with cosmic
45:26
Speaker 1: raisin or atmosphere. So I think at least on the
45:28
Speaker 1: portal thing, we're okay.
45:30
Speaker 2: So this is again going back here some final thoughts
45:33
Speaker 2: is I mean, this is something you're going to discuss
45:36
Speaker 2: in your brands and presentation there, and you're going to
45:38
Speaker 2: discuss it, certainly in more detail, and I think help
45:41
Speaker 2: people to think through this biblically, scientifically, but also with balance.
45:45
Speaker 1: I managed, yes, And that's really important too, because there
45:48
Speaker 1: are people out there. I'm not gonna name names, but
45:50
Speaker 1: there are people out there that totally exaggerate this stuff
45:53
Speaker 1: and they do it under the veneer of Christianity.
45:55
Speaker 2: And they're looking for clicks.
45:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean some prominent names and and you know,
46:01
Speaker 1: I don't I don't name names on people. I don't
46:03
Speaker 1: do that. I figured let their work speak for themselves.
46:05
Speaker 1: And you know, people have brains, they can figure it out.
46:07
Speaker 1: But but it is really important to I think, have
46:10
Speaker 1: an a bail and on anything, and.
46:12
Speaker 2: We're urging caution, I mean, just caution and wisdom.
46:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
46:14
Speaker 2: Really, that's what we're saying here. That's ultimately what.
46:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not star an apologists at all, but we're
46:19
Speaker 1: not we're not not dismissing it easier.
46:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, being that these sinister things certainly could be.
46:25
Speaker 2: But yeah, because I just I always try to encourage
46:27
Speaker 2: people like you. With the eclipse, I wrote a lot
46:29
Speaker 2: on the eclipse and and I wrote a big article
46:32
Speaker 2: after the eclipse because there was so much prognostication. Yeah,
46:35
Speaker 2: as it relates to this, and I was like, where
46:37
Speaker 2: do you see this in the Bible that that the
46:39
Speaker 2: eclipse was. The eclipses are never, not even a single time,
46:41
Speaker 2: used as a bad omen on natural eclipse of anyways.
46:45
Speaker 2: In fact, Jeremiahtend says that the pagans were and God
46:48
Speaker 2: told them don't be like them. Yeah, and so anybody
46:50
Speaker 2: that was saying it was that we're fear monitoring through
46:53
Speaker 2: the eclipse.
46:53
Speaker 1: There was a lot of that.
46:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were, they were. God said, do not listen
46:56
Speaker 2: to the ones that are fear mongering. According to the eclipse.
46:58
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like, these are the these guys, are
47:01
Speaker 2: these Christians are violent in scripture? Yeah? By doing that
47:04
Speaker 2: and so that's all we're recommending is we know there's
47:07
Speaker 2: a dark side when there's evil. We know there's other dimensions.
47:09
Speaker 2: Paul says it right there, there's four dimensions at least
47:12
Speaker 2: other aspects two king six.
47:14
Speaker 1: So this is true.
47:15
Speaker 2: But we're just encouraging be cautious, don't be reactive, think
47:19
Speaker 2: it through, pray it through, don't.
47:21
Speaker 3: Be yeah yeah, yeah, but it would be good.
47:38
Speaker 2: To be labeled as a good researcher.
47:40
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, especially because you never know you might have
47:42
Speaker 1: a chance to speak with one of these scientists and
47:44
Speaker 1: if if if an atheistic scientist just has this view
47:48
Speaker 1: of Christians, as you know, we can't do any science
47:50
Speaker 1: without them like freaking out about it. They're demonology. Yeah yeah,
47:55
Speaker 1: like if they have that perspective, especially if we're perpetrating that,
47:59
Speaker 1: we are not doing any good for the kingdom there, yep,
48:02
Speaker 1: Like I mean that that could be a soul lost
48:04
Speaker 1: because they just won't take it seriously and it's our
48:07
Speaker 1: own faults. Yeah, I mean literal souls, literal eternities, it's
48:11
Speaker 1: more than just people's lives all right at stake with
48:12
Speaker 1: this stuff, and we got to make sure we get
48:14
Speaker 1: the right information out there. Josh been great, Yeah every time.
48:17
Speaker 1: I love talking with you.
48:18
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