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Need for Speed – Go fast for under £200k - The Flyer Show 06 November 2025 · Flyer Magazine

• 0:08
  SPEAKER_08: I haven't got it yet, ready?
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  SPEAKER_08: One, two, three.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_08: From the wheels.
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  SPEAKER_08: Welcome to the flyer show.
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  SPEAKER_05: Hello, and welcome to this week's flyer show.
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  SPEAKER_05: This is Ed Hicks.
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  SPEAKER_05: That's Dave Calderwood.
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  SPEAKER_05: And she's Annabelle Cook.
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  SPEAKER_05: Coming up this week, uh we'll be learning about uh a very high-altitude cub and some airfields with letters of agreement uh with the CNA.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh and it's goodbye Halon and hello other fire extinguishers.
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  SPEAKER_05: But first, uh we couldn't do this without the help of Sky Demon, so here is this week's top tip.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: Hi, I'm Hannah from Sky Demon, and this is this week's top tip.
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  SPEAKER_01: As part of your aircraft profile, it's possible to create checklists.
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  SPEAKER_01: To start, tap new checklist, and you'll be given the option to populate the aircraft with some generic checklists to edit.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or if you tap no, you can create a new checklist from scratch.
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  SPEAKER_01: We'll tap yes to get started with some generic checklists.
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  SPEAKER_01: These are not designed to be valid for any particular aircraft but just to serve as an example to get you started.
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  SPEAKER_01: All elements of the checklist can be edited as needed, so you can change the properties of the checklist such as the name and flight phase, as well as editing individual items and sections.
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  SPEAKER_01: The challenge and response text can be changed.
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  SPEAKER_01: Items can be reordered, added, or deleted, and whole sections can be added or reordered too.
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  SPEAKER_01: For more information, go to our website skydemon.ero.
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  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's actually quite useful because I'm I'm in the process of putting together a checklist at the moment.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: I might give this a go.
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  SPEAKER_05: I like the challenge and response.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_05: I mine would be do you know what you're doing?
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  SPEAKER_05: And the answer would be no.
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  SPEAKER_03: And actually, there is a checklist written on the whiteboard behind the camera for Ed on how to run the show.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's very basic, but it is required.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well, which brings us to uh the weather.
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  SPEAKER_04: Let's see what Simon has in store.
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  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
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  SPEAKER_05: I'm hoping there's some flyable conditions.
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  SPEAKER_00: Even all, hope that you are well this evening.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh let's take a look at how the weather shapes up going into this weekend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um, this is the forecast chart for Friday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, uh remember, I've been using these charts for the last few weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're from the icon European model, and they show cloud, which are the white colours on here, where you see grey, that is where there is more broken cloud, and they show effectively forecast of radar as well as some ice bars.
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  SPEAKER_00: So this is the chart for Friday morning at 6am.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bits and pieces of showers affecting western Scotland, one or two showers for northwest England, a few showers across southern Wales and into southwest England.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think this drizzly really across southwest England.
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  SPEAKER_00: A few bits of showery spots of rain affecting southern coast, but for most areas you can see actually, as the sun comes up, it should be generally okay.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, during the course of uh Friday morning, it stays generally dry for most.
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  SPEAKER_00: Best broken cloud further north.
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  SPEAKER_00: A typical base is probably about 3,000 feet, opposite uh 10,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: But notice this area of rain that's across southern Ireland into southwest England, also these showers into western Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_00: So base is probably nearer a thousand feet and tops at about 15,000 feet as that front down towards the southwest moves in.
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  SPEAKER_00: It makes its way uh eastwards so that by dark on Friday we've got that area of rain through Ireland, through Wales, through central and southern parts of England.
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  SPEAKER_00: Overnight to Saturday, low pressure developing there across Ireland, bringing one or two showers to southwestern Scotland, western coast of Wales, more persistent rain out towards the west.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you see that for most of us actually it's a fairly decent morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's quite bright.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got sunny spells around 3,000 foot bases, tops again at about 10,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: As the morning progresses into the afternoon, it today is quite fair.
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  SPEAKER_00: Always the chance of some clouds and a few showers affecting southwestern Scotland, northwest England, one or two showers western Wales and the far southwest of England, and certainly heavier showers across Ireland with some rain getting into southwestern Ireland later on.
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  SPEAKER_00: For most, though, generally it is a decent day.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bases around about 4,000 feet, topped at 8,000 feet.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you see there the best of the sunshine across eastern Scotland and much of England and uh parts of eastern Wales.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then getting into Sunday, bit of a change for Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_00: Front moving into the west, bringing more cloud and bringing some outbreaks of rain through the day on Sunday, so that by Sunday afternoon that rain is uh across western Scotland, northwest England, western parts of Wales, and southwest England.
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  SPEAKER_00: Non-VFR conditions here, but basically with the bases below a thousand feet tops, 15, possibly 20,000 feet, some showers following into Ireland and also some showers for eastern Scotland.
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  SPEAKER_00: But just notice here how much of central and eastern England generally fair, generally bright with some sunny spells around 4,000 foot bases again, 10,000 foot tops.
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  SPEAKER_00: So east definitely fares best during this weekend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um it's typical that that happens given the airflow that we've got.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you want to know more about how all this works and learn the weather that you should know uh for flying, get yourself along to aviation weather school.
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  SPEAKER_00: I've got a classroom-based course on Saturday, the 15th of November.
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  SPEAKER_00: One place remains on that.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's going to take place here at Weather School HQ.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're about three miles to the east of Wolverhampton, hate the green, between 10am and 4 pm, and um you get to spend the day with me.
• 6:01
  SPEAKER_00: Lucky you.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh, if you can't do that, if you really don't fancy spending the day with me, then um you can spend a couple of evenings with me on the 2nd and 9th of December when I have my online course between 6:30pm and 9 pm.
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  SPEAKER_00: It'd be super to see you there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'll get you flying more, I'll get you flying more safely, and I'll get you spotting weather windows up to five days in advance.
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  SPEAKER_00: It really will enhance your flying experience.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'll leave you with that for now.
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  SPEAKER_00: Have a great, have a safe flying weekend.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks again for watching, and I'll see you next week.
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  SPEAKER_00: Bye for now.
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  SPEAKER_05: So uh the news, uh, and I guess it's me first.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's you.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_05: It is, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh, and I've I'm gonna ask the question have you ever been flying and thought I'm going to climb and see how high I get?
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: How high did you get?
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  SPEAKER_03: About 8,000, and then I got a bit scared and went back down again.
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  SPEAKER_05: Okay, yeah, because it does look a long way.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's a minimum weight.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, so that's exactly what happened to a team in California uh last week.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh, they had a Cubcrafter's Carbon Cub UL and uh basically went out and set an altitude record.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh so this was uh John Kotwicki from the YouTube channel uh Fly 8MA, uh aerospace professor Paolo Iscold and uh engineer Trey Clements.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_05: Uh they came up with a plan to take uh the RoTAX 916 turbo powered aircraft um to altitude and see how high it would go.
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  SPEAKER_05: And do you know what the answer was?
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I've read the notes.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_03: Oh right.
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  SPEAKER_03: So yes, I know what the answer is.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_05: Luckily, yes.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the answer is 37,609 feet, which is absolutely astonishing.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_03: That's very specific.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_05: It is.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: That's actually quite impressive itself.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_05: In fact, they were so specific.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_05: Well, I think that, you know, thanks to ethics nowadays, you can see little little clicking over numbers.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_05: Um that but that is that is definitely beyond the comfort zone territory.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and it's you're proper into oxygen breathing.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but uh no, I don't think anyone ever imagined that it would be a bush plane with big tires.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: A merc plane is that.
• 8:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, because it does fit into the 600 kg category over here in the in the UK and Europe.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
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  SPEAKER_05: So um yeah.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so John uh John Kodriki launched from uh San Luis Obispo.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um get his story.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_05: I know, yes.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um spent uh just over an hour climbing um in airspace, especially agreed with the FAA to do this.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um outside air temperature up at 37,000 feet.
• 8:32
  SPEAKER_05: That was minus 46 centigrade.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: Didn't you say somebody in the teams, their surname was Is Cold?
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, yeah, they actually is cold.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_05: And um I was there was a um so since the record um happened, uh John Katricki has published his video of the event, and there's some really good discussion where he sits down with um with Paolo and they talk through some of the issues with this.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_05: Because you go, okay, it's great to go and the aeroplane will climb up there.
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  SPEAKER_05: It's pretty damn dangerous territory to be operating in in terms of human physiology.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: And apart from being really cold, the you know, the if there's anything fails, your your your loss of consciousness is almost going to be instant.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and yeah, there's just some really high-risk stuff.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_05: And they were uh Paolo was talking about the fact that they went through the aeroplane and kind of examined because the airplane gets cold soaked, and what's that going to do for the systems?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I saw a few people going, ah, it's completely stock aeroplane though.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_05: And Paolo did reveal that they had they made a small modification to the oil um oil pressure system uh because testing um showed that I think above 22,000 feet um there was an there was a lowering of oil pressure.
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  SPEAKER_05: So this one was slightly modified to uh to make it safe for that.
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  SPEAKER_05: But otherwise, a standard aeroplane, absolutely, isn't it?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, absolutely amazing.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_05: Um I really loved the fact um uh so you can watch this all online.
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_05: There's uh there's a bunch of really good video.
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  SPEAKER_05: Uh at one point there was a radio call.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh it was uh United Airlines, and he said uh uh oh no, it's a controller to United Airlines.
• 10:10
  SPEAKER_05: He said, uh United 3356, be advised, traffic is in your 10 o'clock, uh five miles, piper cub at flight level 360.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_05: And the the United pilot is like, what?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um if that number of 37,000 feet sounds absurd, it is.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_05: It smash but it smashes a 75-year-old record uh in a regular super cub uh set by Caro Bailey, uh who topped 30,000 feet uh in 1951, which in itself is bonkers.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_05: More on that later.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_05: Um also there was an unofficial um altitude record set in 1996.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_05: A guy, a home builder called Jim Price, flew his long easy to 35,000 feet.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_05: Um but unofficial.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um but um yeah, I just crazy.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, 37,000 feet in a carbon cubul.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_03: That's a stratospheric record.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_05: It is a stratospheric record.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and we checked the stuff.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_05: We did our facts on stratospheric.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, just amazing.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, if you stall the aircraft at that height, there's not very much to to recover, is there?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_05: No, you do have to there's a whole whole Yeah, uh the the science of it is all quite complex.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, I I I suspect for a cub it's there's uh a slightly bigger safety m safety margin, but you do have to be awfully careful at those altitudes.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_05: So um yeah, and uh I'd uh uh in uh in one of the videos um uh Paula was talking, he's like the one benefit with the cub at that altitude, once you start to descend, he said you don't have to worry about shock cooling because it's a rotax.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_05: So liquid, liquid cool cylinder heads, just uh they they just started on down.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_04: I suppose you have to think about antifreezer in the coolant system.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_05: Oh sh I guess, yeah, maybe.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe we should get him on as a guest.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_05: I'm yeah, I I could yeah, we could do that.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_05: I'd I would love to hear more about that because I think it's it's a fascinating thing.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, I'm spirit of adventure, it's alive and well.
• 12:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_05: What's next?
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, my uh my story is not quite so exciting, um, I'm afraid.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: This is about halon fire extinguishers.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_03: So if you have a hale on fire extinguisher in your aircraft after the end of December, it will be illegal to keep it or even use it.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um and this is because of the impact on the ozone layer, which is the second story with the word stratospheric in it.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, these uh the regulations aren't coming from the CAA, these come from DEFRA and the Environment Agency, and they affect all aircraft operators, it's not just GA.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you don't necessarily need to carry an extinguisher.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: Um Is there a weight threshold?
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: There is a weight threshold.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know what it is?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um Dave does.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_05: I've got a fit.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_05: I know in LA aeroplanes it's you don't need one until you get to 1200 kg max takeoff weight.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_03: Basically, yeah.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: So so most aircraft under that weight are going to be exempt.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_03: Um so you could actually just choose to remove your extinguisher completely.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's up to you whether or not you think that is a good idea.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but if you do decide that you want to carry one, it'll need to be a halo carbon clean agent type.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that sounds like some kind of marginal.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, okay.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I have to say I've got three aeroplanes, and none of them have got fire extinguishers in.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: No, I don't have one in big red.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_05: I know it's it's it's I was having I was talking about talking to someone about this um about the because they'd said, Oh, what do you think about the fire extinguisher things?
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_05: And it's like, well, to be honest, I don't have one.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_05: And they're like, Well, does this not make you think about buying one?
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_05: And I I th I guess the only thing I that you I might use it for would be an electrical fire.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um I suspect it affects flying schools a lot though, because it will do, yeah.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_04: Because they don't all have most of them will have certified aircraft, yes.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_04: Which will have a fire extinguisher in it.
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_04: It's part of the checklist, isn't it?
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and it's expensive.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, really expensive.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: And that's partly why I chose not to get one for big red, is I looked at the price and thought buy a new aircraft for that.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, well, yeah, permit airplanes, you don't need a certified extinguisher, do you?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: No.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but obviously if you've got a a regular C of A aeroplane, you do need a certified item.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_05: And I think I saw someone talk someone came up with like a figure of£5,000 for one, which is well.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: Sounds a bit extreme, but we've we did actually go looking for a price in UK, and so far we've not found a price for a UK, one that's being sold in the UK at the moment.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_04: There is a company called H3R in the States that uh specialises in this kind of halon-free fire extinguishers.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and there's a whole range of them.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but they I again they don't they weren't quoting any prices on their website because they're leaving up to their supplier, their deals.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, so to work out what the prices are going to be.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_05: Well, so I guess uh tell us in the comments um uh what are you doing?
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_05: Uh are you doing anything to satisfy this changeover?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_05: Have you got a Halo on Fire Extinguisher that is now a museum piece?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um let us know.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_04: Dave?
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, well, it's a fairly serious story.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_04: This is about what's called letters of agreement between airfields and uh the TAA and and also airspace provice providers.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_04: So if you are an airfield which is in within controlled airspace and you want to fly circuits or whatever, you will have the airfield will have what's called a letter of agreement with the airspace uh service provider.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_04: So NATs, if you like.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_04: Somewhere like White Walton, for instance, which is in under the London TMA, yeah, and I think they go up to two and a half there, two and a half thousand feet.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Um, that will have a letter of agreement about it, what kind of operations they can do, circuits, training, yeah, that sort of thing, how people visit the airfield and that sort of thing.
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: So all those procedures are there.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_04: But the CAA has launched a review of all of these long-standing letters of agreement that allow our aircraft to operate in and around controlled airspace.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's apparently the CA wants to regulise these agreements.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um by that they mean bring them into line with current regulations and also make sure they're in the AIP, this is the aeronautical information publication.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_04: So it affects Whitewortham, Andrewsfield, Fairroaks, Autley End, RAF Halton, and quite a few gliding sites and hang gliding clubs.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_05: I think I looked on the list.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_05: Was it something like is it some it's like over 60 airfields, isn't it, in the UK?
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: There are a lot of airfields that are going to be affected by this.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's not the CAA, it does say it's not necessarily going to abolish them all.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_05: It's I I I it I read it and it seemed like a positive action by the CAA.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, there was one phrase.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_04: The document the CAA has issued called CAP 3096.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_04: It says makes clear that where compliance cannot be achieved, yeah, um, non-compliant activities may have to stop.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, okay, that's not good then.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, if you think about somewhere like uh at Dunstable where there's London gliding clubs, yeah.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's very, very close to Luton.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_06: Yeah.
• 17:10
  SPEAKER_04: And that's so that's you know, a bit of worry to things up of places like that.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_04: It could affect as they say it could affect everything from gliding boxes such as that one, yeah, uh, to micro light and non-radio operations within controlled uh airspace areas.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_05: You like to think that with the advent of the various EC options that we have now, that someone will go, actually, there's if if there's a risk of a non-compliance, then actually technology is gonna help forge a path.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit of conspiracy theory here, which I'm the only conspirator in this.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Who thinks this?
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_04: You know, there's a lot of um lot of talk at the moment about how drone operations are going to integrate into controlled airspace.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of uncontrolled airspace.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: Especially with beyond visual line of sight.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_04: I wonder if this has somehow come to light in their looking in the CAs looking at how they can uh integrate drones into all kinds of airspace.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_05: I I would you might be right.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_05: And I think I fundamentally I guess probably at a much higher level than that.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_05: I mean that there is the there's the ongoing future airs um future airspace strategy review going on.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_04: The modernisation of airspace.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_04: That's it, yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_04: The thing in Scotland looks like they haven't any intention of modernising it whatsoever, except but other other than carve it up.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: Sorry, that's a bit radical, but uh but if you no, look at it just we've deviated a little bit, but if you look at that Scottish airspace airspace plan, yeah, it's nothing like modernise.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_04: It's still full of all the traps that around in controlled airspace.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: That uh pockets of different levels of out of airspace, different altitudes and heights.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's another mess.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_03: And in this week, folks, DC is stunned Ian.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_05: But yeah, so well, uh so that's that's one story to keep an eye on then, this letters of agreement.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_04: Apparently, all these letters of agreement are gonna stay in place until the review is completed, which will be 2027.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_04: So it's not gonna happen imminently.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: That will soon come around, though, won't it?
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: It will.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, we'll obviously keep an eye on it.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: Excellent.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_03: I feel the need, the need for speed.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_09: Yeah!
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry about these guys, they've got a bit over-enthusiastic.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but so we're talking about uh going fast, uh, but not going fast on an unlimited budget.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_05: Uh we were having a chat at the beginning of the week going, what topic shall we uh shall we discuss on the fly show?
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_05: And the subject was actually, can you go fast for not a great spend?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um and okay, some people are gonna go, this is a big number.
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_05: We set the upper price limit of£200,000.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um but there's a lot of airplanes that bust that by a by a mega margin.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_05: Um and so we went looking.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_05: And actually, in the grand scheme of things nowadays, 200k for an aeroplane.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_05: Well, if you think that a microlight feels like there's a lot of 600 KT microlites that are way beyond that much money.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_05: So um uh so yeah, so um uh I guess it the question is who's going first?
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_05: I think you should.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_05: Me?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_05: Well, in that case, I'll yeah.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_05: Uh so uh my need for speed is really satisfied by this.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's a Harmon Rocket 2.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_05: Uh, it's the only one on the UK register, and I found it on plane check.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_05: Um as the name suggests, the rocket is a bit of a hot rod.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_05: It's a modified Vans RV4, uh, normally has a four-cylinder like homing, but this has a big six-cylinder, 260 horsepower lycoming IO540.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_05: Uh two seats, typical cruise speed is 170 knots, uh uh indicated with a TAS they clay the advert claims is to 187 knots, burning 52 litres an hour.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_05: Um, the example in the advert claims it's flown to Romania in one day.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_05: That is um that's that's uh that's pretty good going, I reckon.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_05: Probably beyond my bladder.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_05: Uh the advert claims Thanks for sharing.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_05: I know, yeah.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_05: The advert claims the rocket is one of the fastest and easiest aircraft to maintain, um, thanks to being an LAA aircraft.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_05: There was a time when this was too fast and too powerful, but things changed, and actually you can have an aeroplane like this on the LAA register now.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_05: Uh only one though, so far, one Harmon rocket, but that's all you need if you're shopping around.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that looks that for me, you know, two seats, um lots of yeah, plenty of fuel, um, horsepower, speed.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's and um price wise, it's been on the market for a while now.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_05: Uh and when it was first up, it was for 150k.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_05: The advert now says offers.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, I think Are you in for a new product?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_03: No, it's gonna be too fast for you.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think I need need the speed.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_05: I've got other things.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_05: Uh cub and 91 knots.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_03: 91.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: Don't go over a hundred.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_05: Yes.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_05: But I reckon there's a there sounds like that advert is saying there's a deal to be done.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_05: So could that be could that be a winning formula for the need for speed?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_05: Or have one of you guys got something better?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I think so.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_03: I think I do.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because as I obviously already own a kit plane from Glass Air, there is only one choice for me, and that is this Glass Air 2.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_05: Ooh, that's nice.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so maybe it's not quite that one, uh, but it's very similar.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_03: The one I have found is powered by a 180 horsepower lycoming IO360 engine.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_07: Yeah.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_03: It has retractable gear and a cruise speed of 192 knots.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_03: And a maximum speed of 207 knots.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_03: You'd really be out of your depth with that, wouldn't you?
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_05: That's very fast.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, my brain, I mean I think for a lot I I don't what is fast for a lot of people is it's I mean for me, it's beyond two miles a minute, I think.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm the same.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_05: Because you have to think.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I can't think that fast.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_05: So you're like beyond three miles a minute, aren't you?
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, basically, yeah.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_05: So I'd I'd yeah, how much can you pay for such because that's that's quite a hot ship.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so Wilco have this one listed um in a couple of different places for.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: Would you like to take a guess?
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_05: It's got to be over 100 grand?
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_03: Does it?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's on for 90,000 pounds.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um so yeah, I mean it's already a cracking machine, but if we've got a budget of 200, then that's plenty left to do some upgrades.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um I mean, yes, it's only two seats, so you have only got space for one passenger, but I've got no friends, so that's not a problem.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um and this one is the S model, which is stretched, which gives you an extra 14 inches of space, and there's a lot you can do with 14 inches.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_05: Definitely.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_03: There's plenty of room in the back for a crate of wine or a dog that was doing so well.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_03: Or a few bags.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, because the impressive range of this is 1300 nautical miles.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_03: So you're definitely going to want to take an overnight bag and see how far you can get.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_05: That is, I think you are really feeling the need for some range in that.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_05: So yeah, I really like these.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_05: The quest, yeah, and they are nice looking airplanes.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_05: They've been around a while, but they are they are like grandfathers of the of the kit-built world.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_05: They are awesome.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_03: And yeah, I'm so familiar now with the glass, the glass star that this would be easy.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: I should get it.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Dave.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: So what do you think?
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_05: Do you think you can beat that?
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I do.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_05: You've got two tough ones to beat, I think.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: Very tough ones.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_04: And I and I have to say, mine's not as fast as either of those two.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_04: But it is still pretty fast.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's uh it's a Piper Comanche 250.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_04: That's the middling model.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's not, you know, the 180 horsepower.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's not It's not the hair-on-fire 400 horsepower eight-cylinder like Home.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_04: Which where you advance the advanced throttle and it sucks itself inside out.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_05: I I I have a theory about Comanche 400s, is that when you push the throttle lever forwards, the fuel, the fuel gauge moves like in response.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so the 250 has got an IO540, quite a six-cylinder engine, quite quite punchy.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_04: This one is on at A4.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's an old one, it's 1963.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_04: But it but it has quite nice, isn't it?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's extremely nice, really nice.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_04: Uh it's got um, yeah, it's got that sort of retro feel with 1963, and the design was very actually very nice.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_04: And the Comanche, if you look at it, it's got a really nice shape.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so it's uh it's a nice one.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's on at 119,950 on A4s, uh, with uh Ducere's Aviation based at um Netherhorpe.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_04: Netherhorpe, yeah.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: But you know,£120,000.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_03: It's actually not bad with that, is it really?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it I suppose it's quite punchy for uh you know an aircraft that is 1963.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but that looks uh that looks up together.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_04: So it's been owned and cared for for the last ten years by the same operator.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: It's had a bare metal respray, and apparently it's been sanded to down rather than blasted.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_04: Because that would take away the factory uh corrosion protection.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, interesting.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: Interesting, yeah.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's also had a few mods, yeah, it's got a camshaft mod to improve lubricate lubrication.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_04: It's got a new Heartzall three-blade scimitar prop.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: That is very sexy.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_04: Get excited about not.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_04: He just snorted.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, sorry.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_04: It's got extensive um avionics upgrades, including an Avidine IFD 440, Garmin stuff and autopilot.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_04: Um said the under apparently there's a thousand-hour undercarriage AD.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's been complied with, that's brand new, and it's got new bushes all round.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's got bespoke seating, which really does look look the business.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: It does look the business, isn't it?
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_05: So um It sounds like you're really bought into this.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_04: It's getting a bit excited, isn't it?
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: It's really, really nice aircraft.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_05: It's got it's stylish, it's fixed, it's all and I guess compared to Annabelle and my uh my choice, uh my the we're ours are both on permit.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_05: Yours would be on C of A.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_05: We'll be definitely on C of A.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yours does bring the benefit of being four seats.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_05: It does, it does, yep.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_05: Though I'm guessing that's probably a balancing act of if you put four people in a Comanche, gonna put less fuel in it.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_05: So Probably.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_05: But uh it's probably still usable.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, well apparently it's 150, it's got a cruise speed of 150 knots burning 14 US gallons per hour.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_04: Which is quite good for uh you know for that sort of thing.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_04: Um it's got a maximum speed.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_04: I've seen various figures for the Comanche 250, but 165 knots seems to be uh an agreed max speed.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, it's not quite a hot ship as yours, but yeah, but I think fundamentally I mean the hottest ship suggester is you with your glass air.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_05: Because that's and and lowest and lowest cost.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: So Yeah, it's a real bargain actually.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's quite impressive.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_03: What's available?
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_05: So um so I guess yeah, that leaves us to ask.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_05: Um yeah, if you've if you think one of our choices is uh is ticking your need for speed, tell us in the comments.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_05: Um but uh if you've got any other suggestions, I think it would be useful for people to know.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_05: It's like um yeah, but uh what aeroplanes deliver a real need for speed um and uh don't break the button, break the bank.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_03: So um and do you have a personal VE?
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_05: My brain has a VNE.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, exactly.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_04: So um yeah, tell us so Annabelle, have you got club news?
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, uh this month's free landings for fire club members, we have Wolverhampton back with us after a break.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_08: Excellent.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: We have Eshot, Dunkerswell, and Easter.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I yeah, the so that means that this year's free landings for Flyer Club members so far um are worth around£550.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, I'm really impressed with that.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_03: I am aiming to get over£600 by the end of the year.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_04: Which would make it 10 times the value of a subscription.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_03: That yeah.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, good math, Dave.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: Good maths, yeah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um and as well as your free landing fleas, of course, you get the Flyer Club webinars.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_03: This month um we had a brilliant one on air-to-air photography, didn't we, DC?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_03: Who was that from?
• 29:44
  SPEAKER_03: Um it was that guy.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_03: What's his name?
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um Snapper, yeah, Bob.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Bob.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: Bob.
• 29:49
  SPEAKER_03: Oh no, it was Ed, wasn't it?
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, that was last week, and that was, yeah, in all seriousness, that was an excellent um webinar on air-to-wear photography.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, other recent ones, we've had Dr.
• 30:00
  SPEAKER_03: Frank Vurton on lifestyle changes that will keep you flying.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: Um we had Ed Bellamy on piston engine icing, and uh Greeners, of course, on forced landing advice.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: And all of that and loads more is available through the members dashboard.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_05: Fly.co.uk forward slash membership.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_04: And now to the important question of the week.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_04: What caught your eye?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: Who's first?
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: Annabelle, I think.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's me, isn't it?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_03: So, yeah, what caught my eye this week was a lot of men in uniform.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_03: On Saturday, we had Pilot Careers Live Heathrow.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_03: And I think it was probably the most successful one ever.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_03: We had about 1,700 people.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that's a lot of people in a room.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, it was quite intense.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but actually, in all seriousness, um, what actually caught my eye was this bit of video that I found on social media of some skydivers spotting a completely circular rainbow.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_05: Wait, a completely circular rainbow?
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_05: I've never ever seen one of those before.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um, no, I think we've all seen rainbows when we have been flying, but this footage um for the skydiving company, it's just um, you know, I think we all we all know in theory that rainbows are circular.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_03: Um wait?
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_05: What?
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: That's a bit of a bombshell.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_03: We're not.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's just a scientist in the room that knows this.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um so rainbows are circular?
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, I never knew that.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Why?
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_05: On that bombshell.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_05: So where do you put the pot of gold if they're circular?
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_03: Just in the middle.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_03: Because it does actually look like a portal to another dimension, doesn't it?
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, if I'd if I'd been flying and I'd seen this, I would have been really tempted to go straight through it, and then gold coins obviously fall from the sky.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and had to see where I ended up.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_03: And you know, maybe it would be a parallel universe where the the metals were always cave.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_05: Uh yeah, that is amazing.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_05: I I I I am Jim really, I've genuinely learned something new.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe the viewers can tell us.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_05: Have you seen a round rainbow?
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: Did you know that rainbows were round?
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um and I was actually thinking that I've got quite a few um photographs from airborne of rainbows.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: I think I might start a thread in the forum where we can we can we can share our pictures.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_05: What a lovely thread.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_05: Or a social media thing.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_05: Postal rainbows.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and unicorns.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_08: Lovely.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_04: Uh who's next?
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_04: Me, I think.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_04: And I the chap who flew that uh Cubcrafter's um Carbon Cub.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_04: John Kutwicki.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_04: John Kutwicki.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_04: He runs a company called Fly 8MA, which is a flight training company.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, he's it's because he's got a YouTube channel.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_05: Same name, isn't it?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_04: Well, that's where I spotted it actually, because I I saw his name in the story, and then I went looking to find out who he was.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: He's got this company, Fly 8MA.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_04: He flies in Alaska.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_04: He runs bush plane training in Alaska.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_05: And I think he's, hasn't he got some crit he lives in a converted DC six freighter or something?
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: He's got a c he's got a DC six and a DC three, which is converted.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_04: No relation.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: No relation to me, no.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_04: He's got a DC six aeroplane, a DC three aeroplane, which is converted into lodges.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_04: And so people who come to do his bushplaning, bush bushplane pilot training course.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: Bushplaning.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: Bushplaning.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_04: Bushplane pilot training.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: They can stay in one of these lodges.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_03: Sign me up.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I that's what's exactly what I thought.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: And I've got a little bit of video here, which John, I contacted John, and he very kindly said we could run this little bit of video.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_04: But he has got a fantastic video uh YouTube channel.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_05: And what an amazing I it is on I not that I have a big aviation bucket list, but I think going to Alaska and flying.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_05: You what?
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_05: So what?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: Well, he's at this bush pilot course.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_04: Well, the bush pilot course is 16 hours of flight time.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: Five nights at the lodge, one of his lodges.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_04: A bit can include camping away if you like, coming face to face with wildlife.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: I know he's not keen on spiders, but I think actually in Alaska.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_04: Eaten by bears is an option.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_04: So no, I I I was generally blown away by what he's got going there.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_05: That does look good.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_05: And what's his and so uh so on the web fly fly 8MA?
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_04: Fly just Google Fly 8MA and uh I I didn't ask him, I should have done.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_04: What the hell does Fly 8MA mean?
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_03: We can maybe find out.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_05: Maybe you know in the comments.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_05: How about you, Ed?
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_05: What did you think?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_05: Leaves me.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: And uh obviously, uh while we were all amazed at John Kutwicki's uh stratospheric climb to 37,000 feet in the carbon cub that we mentioned in the news earlier.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_05: I was surprised to hear about the previous record that had been set in 1951.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_05: Uh because that 75-year-old record had been set in a completely stock 150 horsepower PA 18150 super cub uh uh flown by a lady called Caro Bailey, who topped out at 30,203 feet.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_05: Which you go, that is pretty impressive going.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_05: And I've I've I've I haven't been able to, because you go, I wonder, a lot of people have talked about you like using um like sailplane wave techniques and things like that.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_05: Haven't been able to find out if she did something specific to try and encourage a normally aspirated cup to get that high.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: You can just imagine her though, can't you?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_03: Just twin set and pearls.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think I'll just go flying and pop in well while I'm here.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_05: So Bailey was a member of the US Air Force, uh Women's Air Force training program, the WASPs.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_05: So while serving in the military, she flew um the Dauntless and the Helldiver, the 86, 87, 8011, BT-13, PT17, P47 Thunderbolt, big airplane.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_03: This is when they aeroplanes have proper names, isn't it?
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_05: Proper proper names, B-25 and B-26 bombers.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_05: Um and um coming out of the military, she was so I think she was still instructing for the military when she started entering aerobatic competitions.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um she got the second Pitts special made by Curtis Pitts.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_05: Wow.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um which is so that must mean that actually, because so the first pits I think went to Betty Skelton.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um so yeah, I mean a big women buying dynamic for Pitt specials.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_05: Uh but anyway, Curtis made her the second pits, fell in love with that aeroplane, um, and Curtis gave it inverted fuel so that she could um do aerob uh inverted maneuvers with that.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um sh on January 3rd, 1951, she at the Miami Air Maneuvers Air Show, um, she became the International Women's Aerobatic Champion, and that same morning was the morning she set her altitude record.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_07: Wow.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, took off.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_05: What a dude.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: I know yeah, really.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_05: Uh took off from a blimp base um located near Miami Beach.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_03: Are you sure it was a blimp and not a semi-rigid?
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_05: I the internet says blimp, I'm going with blimp.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_05: And it would have been a time when blimp was a thing.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_05: So uh took off in her club, climbed to uh in her cup, climbed to 30,203 feet.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_05: Um and for that um for that undertaking, she was uh she received the Blairio Medal, um, set an FAI recognized um record, and was more importantly, was named Mademoiselle Magazine's aviation woman of the year Wow I know.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_05: So um yeah, I John were really impressed with your 37,203 feet or whatever it was.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_05: However, come up in a turbo in a turbo modern uh Carbon Cup UL, but I think Caro Bailey going to 30,000 feet in 1951 in a normal super cub, that is impressive.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_05: Caro, we salute you.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_04: So um but she also had a hell of a career as well, yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: I know, yeah.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: It's worth worth uh worth Googling, yeah.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_05: Other search engines are a bit.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_05: She met a guy called um uh with the surname Bosco, so she ended up ended up ended up called Caro Bailey Bosco.
• 37:45
  SPEAKER_05: And um uh yeah, so um yeah, to Google Google around, because clearly, amazing person.
• 37:51
  SPEAKER_05: Her pets is still in existence.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh is it still flying or is it not?
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_05: I think it is even still flying, yeah.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_05: So from my limited Googling this morning.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_05: So um, yeah, check it out.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_05: So if anything uh caught your eye, um please tell us in the comments.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_05: Plus, if you've got something that you want to share with us, share it too.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_04: Right, I guess that just leaves uh events.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_04: Events.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_04: Well, do you know it's not that time of year when there are not a lot of events?
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_04: There's various things going on at the weekend, uh poppy drops and stuff like that.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um for Remembrance Sunday, I guess.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Remembrance Sunday.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: But next Monday, um, there's quite a big event going on.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: This is the Light Aircraft Design Conference being held at the Royal Aeronautical Society in London.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, whereas as well as an update on the CAA's e-conditions policy.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: There's also going to be they're going to announce the winner of the 2024-25 design competition.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: Always good.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_04: And they're going to set the parameters for the next one, the 25-26.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_05: I think next year, I think the next competition is all about stall aeroplane.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, right.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, of s of some sort.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_05: And but I think the cool thing about if you go to the design conference is that um uh you've got people attending like so Ivan Shaw's gonna be talking about his seat.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 39:04
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Bill Brooks, I think, is gonna be providing an update on the Skyfly X.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yep.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_05: Um I think there's Lucy Wharton from LAA.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_04: Um and there's also a company called uh Ocean Aircraft.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_04: Have you ever heard of those?
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_04: No, I hadn't heard until I read the uh the agenda for the uh for the conference.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_04: And uh Ocean Aircraft, British company, have you coming up with uh a family of seaplanes?
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_05: I knew nothing about that.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_05: I knew nothing about that.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's got to be something for next week's What Caught Your Eye, surely.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_04: Surely, yes, yeah.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_04: Anyway, so I'll find out a bit more about that and uh see what they say at uh the conference.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_05: Fantastic.
• 39:40
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, well, it just leaves me to say thank you for watching.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_05: Uh thank you, Sky Demon, for supporting, even more important.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_05: And uh yeah, just uh fly safe and uh thank you, Dave.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Annabelle, and we'll see you uh next week.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_05: Bye.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_05: Bye.
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