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Star Wars November News Battle of Jakku Review CCLXIX · Star Wars Alliance

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  Speaker 1: The Force will be with you always.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode of Star Wars Alliance,
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  Speaker 2: it's Katie, and with me as always is Clay Clay
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I was just about to say, guys, if
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  Speaker 2: No shit, take your damn drugs.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 3: Well, like it's it's just like I get so like
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  Speaker 2: But that's the only kind worth getting.
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  Speaker 3: That's probably true, That is most very true. But yeah, anyways, today,
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  Speaker 3: of course is our November news catchup as well as
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  Speaker 3: we are finally after I think a year reviewing yeah,
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  Speaker 3: the Battle of jacku.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think originally I had this on our
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  Speaker 2: calendar for February and you were like, uh, Katie, this
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  Speaker 2: doesn't come out until June. Yeah, and then June through
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  Speaker 2: December or November has been swamped with other things.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's been pretty crazy, but we are
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  Speaker 3: finally going to talk about the Battle of jack Who
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  Speaker 3: after this And then also little tidbit for all of
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  Speaker 3: you book nerds out there, this is not going to
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  Speaker 3: but in prep for season two of Percy Jackson, Katie
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  Speaker 3: release of the first season, going in order of every
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  Speaker 3: single book right before the season release. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that season releases on the tenth, so in literally seven days,
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  Speaker 3: and you'll get to hear our thoughts on the book. So,
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  Speaker 3: without further ado, Katie, let's go ahead and jump into
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  Speaker 3: our news segment. Where do you want to start off?
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you that question.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's safe to say we should go.
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  Speaker 2: In order top to bottom of it. Is that works?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? So yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: So the first bit on my list. Now, guys, I
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  Speaker 2: have coagulated this news doc together from UH Star Wars
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  Speaker 2: News Net, which is where we typically get our coverage.
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  Speaker 2: This is their This Week in a Galaxy Far Far
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  Speaker 2: Away series. I just kind of went through UH this
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  Speaker 2: Week's and then all of the November ones and was like, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: what are the big things that we missed? So in
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  Speaker 2: some cases I have the original interview tagged with the item,
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  Speaker 2: but I just wanted to credit Star Wars news Net
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  Speaker 2: first of all. But I'm not I may not have
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  Speaker 2: all of the original interview locations for credits and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: So the first one is uh, Starfighter news. Starfighter is
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of filming and is looking to wrap
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  Speaker 2: by the end of the year. Sean Levy, the director
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  Speaker 2: of the film, in in promotion for Stranger Things season
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  Speaker 2: five releasing, did an interview on the podcast on Film
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  Speaker 2: with Kevin McCarthy I'm Sorry, Clay, where he said Thomas
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  Speaker 2: Newman is set to compose. He worked on Shawshank, Redemption,
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  Speaker 2: Wally nineteen seventeen, and American Beauty as some of his
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  Speaker 2: top previous films. He also said that Levy also said
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  Speaker 2: that the entire third act went out the window while shooting.
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  Speaker 2: It's said to have been tossed due to technical issues,
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  Speaker 2: but could also be scheduling conflicts. So that's all they've
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  Speaker 2: really said. But Levy has been rewriting the third act
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  Speaker 2: while he's filming. He's currently in the middle of actually
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  Speaker 2: shooting those pages and is much happier with what he
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  Speaker 2: has than what there was originally. And the other thing
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  Speaker 2: I found that was interesting is Matt Smith, who is
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  Speaker 2: reportedly the villain in the film, is only filming in December.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like so he's only going to be there
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of.
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  Speaker 3: Weeks, which is disappointing, but I mean I would really
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  Speaker 3: like to know, like some of the best villains in
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  Speaker 3: cinema history and their screen time honestly, just to see
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  Speaker 3: like does it really matter or is it the poor
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  Speaker 3: or if it's the performance, which I do believe it
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  Speaker 3: is the performance. Of course, Katie and I are really
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  Speaker 3: big fans of Matt Smith, not only because of his
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  Speaker 3: connections to of course Doctor Who, but some other shows
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  Speaker 3: and movies that he has been in as well. He's also,
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  Speaker 3: you know, most likely, I shouldn't say most likely, let
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  Speaker 3: me reel back. He is in the running for Brainiac
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  Speaker 3: for the next Superman movie, which is very, very exciting.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I am very excited to see more Matt
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  Speaker 3: Smith in my life because I feel like he has
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  Speaker 3: been just empty or just gone from Hollywood for a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, and I need him to be back in
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  Speaker 3: the limelight.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the rancor dot com list of best
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  Speaker 2: villains with minimal screen time. Number one on their list
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  Speaker 2: is Heath Ledgers Joker with thirty three minutes of the
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  Speaker 2: Dark Knight's one hundred and fifty two minute performance. Hannibal
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  Speaker 2: Lecter is number two with twenty four minutes and fifty
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  Speaker 2: two seconds, Hans Gruber in die Hard twenty three minutes
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  Speaker 2: of one hundred and thirty two minutes, Wicked Witch of
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  Speaker 2: the West twelve minutes, so.
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  Speaker 3: It's still like a fourth of the movie. Really. The
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  Speaker 3: Wicked Witch of the West is on that list.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, from The Wizard of Oz because she was in
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  Speaker 2: the film for just twelve minutes, that's true. And then
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  Speaker 2: the only other one I really recognize on this list
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  Speaker 2: would be How the Grinch Stole Christmas Jim carreyes. The
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  Speaker 2: Grinch appears throughout the film, but the scenes total less
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  Speaker 2: than thirty minutes, so just some fun.
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  Speaker 3: Other Wise, Wow, really only thirty minutes of that entire movie.
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  Speaker 3: That's wild. Yeah, that's wild.
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  Speaker 2: Short little snippets.
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  Speaker 3: Really, that's true. It's it's very you know, quick cuts
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  Speaker 3: and stuff. That's very true. That is all we have
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  Speaker 3: for Starfighter.
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  Speaker 2: How do you feel? How good about the third act
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  Speaker 2: being retooled?
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  Speaker 3: I was going to say that bothers me a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: like and it must suck, like I'm not I'm not
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  Speaker 3: going to just be like, oh, you know, the whole
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  Speaker 3: movie's ruined, blah, blah, but like to have a vision
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  Speaker 3: and then like to have technological limitations.
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  Speaker 2: M hmm. On that.
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  Speaker 3: For one, I think something like that should have been
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  Speaker 3: tested before production, before production.
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  Speaker 2: Because and maybe it was that it just misfired or
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  Speaker 2: safety came in and was like, oh this, I don't
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  Speaker 2: like how this is. Yeah, that's true, But it also
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  Speaker 2: could have boiled down to scheduling issues as well, like
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  Speaker 2: maybe he thought he was gonna have somebody like maybe
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  Speaker 2: Matt Smith was supposed to be two months of filming
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  Speaker 2: but now can only do one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say that, like I like a
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  Speaker 3: quick knee jerk reaction is like, man, that makes me
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  Speaker 3: worry about this movie. But knowing that the director himself
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  Speaker 3: is like actually happy now again, I understand this. This
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  Speaker 3: could all be just said at face value because he
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  Speaker 3: doesn't want to say anything negative about the production that
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  Speaker 3: would look really bad on him Lucasfilm and Disney. But
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  Speaker 3: if it's true that he's actually happy with what he
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  Speaker 3: had as now compared to what he had, like good.
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  Speaker 3: Like that that is the work of a really good
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  Speaker 3: director and writer. Is that you can make a swift
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  Speaker 3: change and still make everything flow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree, and I mean this could happen
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  Speaker 2: in other films that you just don't get this publicity.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about it several times with Star Wars films.
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  Speaker 2: Is that Star Wars is just going to get more
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  Speaker 2: publicity than some indie pictures, and so this has probably
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  Speaker 2: happened in the past. Heck, I feel like, oh, agents,
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  Speaker 2: Agents of Doomsday, Avengers Doomsday, like we see it talked
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  Speaker 2: about all the time that Hey, the Russo's went in
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  Speaker 2: with basically no script. So it happens. I feel like
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  Speaker 2: this will either be a good thing or showcase Hollywood
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  Speaker 2: so that Hollywood learns in like eight years, hey, we
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  Speaker 2: need to do better about pre production. Yeah, so well
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  Speaker 2: we'll see. I enjoy the Shawshank Redemption uh soundtrack.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that was something else that I was going
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  Speaker 3: to point out, Like we have been so used to
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  Speaker 3: the comfortability of lucasfilm and picking their composers right, like,
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  Speaker 3: h We've gotten used to Michael Giaccino, and then I
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  Speaker 3: can never pronounce his name, uh for Mandalorian.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I'm gonna have to look it up.
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  Speaker 3: Is it Ludwig something? Yeah, Like I I can't remember
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  Speaker 3: his last name, uh Nson Gorenson, like we've we've been
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  Speaker 3: so used and then with G's son recently, right, and
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  Speaker 3: so like getting more people into the universe of Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars films, I think that is going to be so
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  Speaker 3: much fun. Again, Like, I am a really big fan
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  Speaker 3: of Wally soundtrack. I'm a really big fan of nineteen
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  Speaker 3: seventeen's soundtrack as well as American Beauty. So like, I'm
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  Speaker 3: really excited for this. I'm really excited to see how
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  Speaker 3: he portrays Star Wars composing.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I would do. I think the music
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  Speaker 2: of Star Wars has been some of the best qualities
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  Speaker 2: of what Star Wars has brought to the Hollywood efforts
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  Speaker 2: and everything. So my hope is that we get another
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  Speaker 2: beautiful soundtrack. I will say I would have hoped that
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  Speaker 2: they would have brought in somebody like I hope that
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  Speaker 2: there was other people given a chance to do this,
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  Speaker 2: because we haven't seen a female composer for Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: We haven't seen a person of color composed for Star
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  Speaker 2: Wars other than no that was low key never mind.
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  Speaker 2: So I would have just loved to see somebody else
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  Speaker 2: roped into this. Obviously, this guy is more than qualified,
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  Speaker 2: but I hope that other people were given the chance
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  Speaker 2: to go this is what I'd love to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And again for me, seeing that Newman is
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  Speaker 3: being chosen for Starfighter gets me excited for other smaller projects. Again,
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  Speaker 3: Like Starfighter is in this weird limbo currently of like
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  Speaker 3: it's small because it's not an episodic Star Wars title,
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  Speaker 3: but it's still big enough because it's the first Star
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  Speaker 3: Wars movie of characters that we don't know in a
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  Speaker 3: very long time, right, And.
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  Speaker 2: Kennedy has backed Levey up and gone go wild like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: if you don't want to use a character, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: enforced to use a character. If you want to use
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  Speaker 2: a character, let's see what we can do to make
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  Speaker 2: it happen. Like Levy has basically set stated like he's
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  Speaker 2: getting free reign with this, and I kind of dig it,
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  Speaker 2: but also I'm kind of worried it's gonna get written
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  Speaker 2: off as a tax break. So but maybe that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: happen for big ip. Well no, well Willow is not
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  Speaker 2: big ip, but it did get written off.
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  Speaker 3: I think Looney Tunes, Looney Tunes is a big ip.
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  Speaker 3: I think DC is a big ip, you know, And
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  Speaker 3: now thankfully the Loney tunes. The uh Coyote versus z
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  Speaker 3: Acme is going to release soon, and you know, we
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  Speaker 3: got that turned around, but like they could still you know,
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  Speaker 3: at the at the very end of the day pull
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  Speaker 3: the rug underneath lucasfilm and be like, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 3: let's let's not do it, you know, but let's let's not.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hope that it doesn't come to that. So our
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  Speaker 3: next topic of the new segment is a sooka. Now, uh,
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  Speaker 3: Claudia Black is returning for season two.
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  Speaker 2: And she was one of the night mothers.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, uh, well, actually I don't think she is returning.
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  Speaker 2: If she returning on returning for season two, so it
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  Speaker 2: was originally returning.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what. Yeah, Okay, because I did see
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  Speaker 3: the article prior to us putting this on our notes,
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  Speaker 3: she said they picked up season two, picked me up
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  Speaker 3: with it, and then Disney, which is structuring things differently
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  Speaker 3: these days, could not pay me what I needed to
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  Speaker 3: be paid as a single mother to keep all my
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  Speaker 3: responsibilities going home in Los Angeles because they were filming
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  Speaker 3: in London. It was not something that they could make happen,
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  Speaker 3: and therefore I had to bow out of season two.
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  Speaker 2: And that's super sad because her performance is one of
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  Speaker 2: the I'm calling them night mothers, but like they're really
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that's their actual title. But her performance
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  Speaker 2: as one of those night mothers was spectacular and so
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  Speaker 2: for the little time that we had her, Claudia, I'm
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  Speaker 2: super glad you were part of ours. I hope there
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  Speaker 2: was nothing in her contract that said her performance could
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  Speaker 2: be reused for AI purposes, because we know the studios
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  Speaker 2: have started to bring that in more. Hopefully the role
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  Speaker 2: is just being recast yeh. And Disney needs to pay
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  Speaker 2: their actors more or stop producing things where people don't
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  Speaker 2: live for long periods of time.
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  Speaker 3: Well, like for me, I think it's very simple, you know, uh,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that somebody is needing a certain amount of
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  Speaker 3: pay for the bare minimum of the expectation to go
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  Speaker 3: across the world. Like you need to understand that not
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  Speaker 3: every single actor is your jumbo blockbuster, big screen a
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  Speaker 3: list actor that can just be like, oh yeah, put
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  Speaker 3: you know, put me on this private jet and you
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  Speaker 3: know we'll get going. Like I truly believe that Disney
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  Speaker 3: needs to start stepping up and looking at these realistic
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  Speaker 3: terms for people like single mothers, people with disabilities all
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  Speaker 3: of the above and saying hey, we will accommodate you,
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  Speaker 3: simple as that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, for sure, I completely agree, and it sucks
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  Speaker 2: that it's happening. I feel like this is only going
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  Speaker 2: to become more commonplace, especially with these minor roles like
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  Speaker 2: you said, like, oh, people who want to play your
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  Speaker 2: role or Dimond doesn't like are they though? Are they
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  Speaker 2: all right? So the next part of the Hsoka stuff,
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  Speaker 2: I realized I didn't put the title on this one,
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  Speaker 2: but this is a pod of Rebellion interview with Henry Gilroy,
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  Speaker 2: who was a writer, a main writer on Star Wars Rebels,
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  Speaker 2: and this is in reference to Sabine being able to
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  Speaker 2: use the Force, and I pull obviously it was a
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  Speaker 2: podcast interview. Star Wars news Net kind of got the quotes.
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  Speaker 2: I pulled two quotes in particular, so I'm gonna read
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  Speaker 2: those and then we're gonna talk about them. Yep, he said,
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  Speaker 2: it was absolutely not the plan. We really felt that
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  Speaker 2: not only did it step on Ezra's story, it was
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  Speaker 2: a weak retread. We already did this, the idea of
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  Speaker 2: Sabine training as a Jedi when she is already this
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  Speaker 2: fantastic warrior of her own type. We felt this is overkill,
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  Speaker 2: and he kind of continued it later when also talking
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  Speaker 2: about the Dark Saber, he said, I was shocked. What
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  Speaker 2: I love about the story with the Dark Saber is
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  Speaker 2: that you don't have to be a Jedi to have
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  Speaker 2: Jedi ideals. I think that's what's really the more important thing,
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  Speaker 2: rather than force pushing as around one hundred feet when
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  Speaker 2: you've never used the force before.
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  Speaker 3: So first, Henry, take a chill pill, for one is
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  Speaker 3: something that I have to say. But two, I am
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  Speaker 3: in between. And the reason being is I really don't
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  Speaker 3: like and we will get into this with the Battle
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  Speaker 3: of Jaccu, because it there is something from a previous
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  Speaker 3: work in Star Wars that is in the same time period.
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  Speaker 3: They don't match up, and I got angry. I put
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  Speaker 3: it on my notes. I said, WTF, this is a
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  Speaker 3: canonical error. What the hell? But we'll get into that
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  Speaker 3: when we talk about the Battle of Jackku. When I
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  Speaker 3: looked at this, the reason why I'm in between is
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  Speaker 3: because I true still believe if you are continuing a
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  Speaker 3: story of characters that have been previously worked on, that
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  Speaker 3: should be a group effort. For notes reasons, for canonical reasons,
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  Speaker 3: and everything else. Now, if it is a push on, hey,
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  Speaker 3: this story needs to move forward with Sabine using the
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  Speaker 3: Force and wielding a lightsaber. You just have to come
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  Speaker 3: to terms with that.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, But this whole thing of like, oh, I'm
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  Speaker 4: shocked and now I'm gonna have to, you know, defend
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  Speaker 4: my baby as far as my work and all this
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  Speaker 4: other stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's dumb that they did this because they
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  Speaker 3: you know, basically through all of the characterization that I
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  Speaker 3: wrote into oblivion, like that's not cool. I I truly
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  Speaker 3: believe that's not cool. But I do think that Henry
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  Speaker 3: Gilroy needs to take a step back understand that this
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  Speaker 3: is a very large ip that is not his, and
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  Speaker 3: that these things happen because of the ip that he
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  Speaker 3: is dealing with.
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  Speaker 2: I can definitely see where you're coming from. Huller is
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  Speaker 2: probably a character that's very near and dear to his
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  Speaker 2: heart because he probably helped create the band from scratch
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  Speaker 2: as a character. I know Timothy John was super pissed
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  Speaker 2: off when mar Jade was killed off in Legacy. Uh
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  Speaker 2: it's not Legacy of the Jedi. Maybe it is. When
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  Speaker 2: Marjade was killed off and he was you knew that
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  Speaker 2: already did. I you should have, because I've talked about
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  Speaker 2: it plenty of times. I don't disagree with where he's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: coming from. Is it maybe a bit strong? But this
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: was also an interview talking about rebels and kind of
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: some things that have moved forward. A lot of people
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: have begun to view rebels and Ahsoka in different frames
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: of mind and kind of treating them as separate characters.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: And I think that's what our big point was when
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: we're doing Ahsoka, was Hey, this could have been a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: different character that you could have chosen him to do
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: this on, and Sabine could have maintained because we talked
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: about this at length with the ahsokaerviews. Is does this
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: take away from the fact that Sabine was a Mandalorian,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: very strong Mandalorian, But now you want to turn her
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: into a Jedi? And yes, Mandalorians can be Jedis, But
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: her character was already so beautiful as it was. And
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: I think that's Henry's point, is why would you? Because
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: he talked I know there's a different quote out there,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: but I couldn't find it in this interview, but he
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: about how they had that idea for somebody else who
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: was proven to have no force sensitivity or wasn't gifted
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: in the force becoming that Jedi and learning that skill
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: and everything. But he didn't want it to be Sabine
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: because he thought Sabine had a good basis for where
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: she was at a sea Mantlorian. And I still agree
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: with that. I still don't like the hey, let's take
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: this character and go with it. I think there was
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: enough there where you didn't have to do that because
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: of what she does with the dark Saber in Rebels
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: season three, Like, I feel like there's plenty of leeway
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: there for her to go, Okay, she can use a lightsaber,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: but do we really want to give her force powers?
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: Like, so that's my opinion. I don't think he's overreacting.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: I think he's valad to have these feelings. Obviously it's
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: not his character anymore, but he can still feel the
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: way he wants to feel.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's why I'm kind of That's why I'm
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: in between, Like I do understand that that is his baby,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: you know, being able to create a character within this ip.
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: You see that a lot in Marvel and DC, and
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: they come to terms with like, hey, I'm doing this
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: for a multi million dollar company and I will never
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: own the rights to this character. And I'm not saying
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: that Henry did not like have that conversation with himself,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: but like it's very unfortunate that, like, hey, it is
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Star Wars. You do have to let go of that.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: But just remember you have five seasons of Rebels, four seasons, sorry,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: four seasons of Rebels, so you can you could watch
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Sabine be a badass Mandalorian whenever you want.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you always have what's come before. And then
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the last thing out of this one was and I
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: could not find a source for this, it was just
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: kind of a throwoff mention, but Rosario Dawson I believe
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: it was at a con hinted at a more lighthearted
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Ahsoka coming in season two of Ahsoka.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: So I think this is going to feel a little
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: weird because like, yes, for us fans of this genre,
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: this you know, Ip, we have seen all of Clone Wars.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: We know where her story began and we know where
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: it's ended. So like we've seen the evolution of Ahsoka,
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: We've seen her be joyous and funny and quirky, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: like seeing her do that here in live action for
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: season two, like, it'll probably warm our little hearts being like,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: oh there's there's a little Ohsoka again, right. I think
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: it's going to hit a little off because this is
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: a brand new chemistry that we're probably still gonna be
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: seeing with like Hayden, you know, and so it's just
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: gonna it's gonna feel a little weird at first, but
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I think we can get behind that, you know.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too. And I know a lot of
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: people were like, why is Ahsoka so stoic? And I
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: think the stoicism that we got in Rebels makes sense
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: because she was there so little, and so every time
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: you really see Ahsoka in there, she's on a very
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: specific mission. So that stoicism is needed, especially with the
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: rest of the cast. In this case, everybody's kind of
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: downtrotten until Esra gets to appear, Like, so it'll be
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: nice to see what the change is or if there's
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: really a change, because we all know sometimes what a
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: character portrayer thinks is lighthearted or different emotional scale is
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: not always what the audience thinks in that emotional scale.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So the next topic that we have is the acolyte.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I know that there is hundreds of people that just
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: groaned at me saying this, But guys, let's face facts.
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: This was a great show. The cancelation was uncalled for.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: We've kind of seen the actual evidence of that. But
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Leslie Hedlin on the cancelation of the show in an
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: interview with The Rap, she stated, I was not surprised
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: by it. I think I was surprised at the swiftness
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: of it and the public publicness of it. I was
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: surprised by how it was all handled. But once I
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: was getting particular phone calls about the reaction and the
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: crit and the viewership, I felt like, Okay, the writing's
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: on the wall for sure.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And this was not the only particular quote in this.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Star Wars news Net has all of the Acolyte cancelation
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: quotes on their website, so you can go and check there,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: because we don't have time to discuss the whole thing,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: but I felt like this was probably the most relevant
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: because as a director, as a creator or something, you
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: never want to see your piece get canceled. You want
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to see it loved and everything. And Leslie, I do
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: think at some point it will come out in the
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: net positive, especially as more things come out and people
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: are like Oh, well, this is horrible. Why can't you
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: make it like the acolyte. We're gonna see that happen.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And she talked about that in the interview too, talking
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: about how okay, people have started to pick up AP's
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: I pee reactions as their content and as their paycheck,
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and studios are deciding to use those content creators as
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: their focus group instead of bringing in a neutral focus
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: group to really kind of showcase what the main opinion
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: is because we all know, as Star Wars fans in particular,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: the negative opinions are always going to shine the brightest
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: because those are the ones that get people talking. And
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: so she definitely saw it, and probably as an LGBTQ member,
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: she probably was like, oh, like, I know this is coming,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Like it's not meant to be, and I'm just glad
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: it wasn't written off for tax purposes at the end
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: of the day, like we still get to go back
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to Disney Plus and have this beautiful shew. It definitely sucks.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: I encourage people to go look at the full interview.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: She's launching her own production company, which is where this
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: interview came out of, because this is the first time
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: she's really spoken about it. There's a lot of good
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: insight in there to Hollywood as a whole, so.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: Very cool. I didn't know that that's cool. Uh, next
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: topic again, people are gonna groan, but I love it.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. Ryan Johnson from The Hollywood Reporter.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: The Hollywood Report Reporter reported he had been offered Return
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: of Skywalker Skywalker, sorry point the Rise of Skywalker due
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: to the Last Jedi box office, but JJ Abrams was
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: announced to direct the film three months before The Last
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: Jedi came out. Ran Johnson on Blue Sky stated, I
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: never was going to do it, and I never turned
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: it down. So like people were like snapping their fingers
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: at this, like, ooh right, yes, go after them, right,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: how do you feel about this?
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I do still wish that Ryan Johnson had been able
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: or at least if he was offered to do Rise
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: of Skywalker, because I do think he would have done
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: it probably a little more poetic justice, especially in regards
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: to Carrie Fisher's passing, And honestly, there's not a lot
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: that JJ Abrams really could have done differently, honestly, because
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: he was pushed to release Rise of Skywalker at the
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: same release date and wasn't allowed to push it back,
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and he kind of just had to work with what
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: he was given. Like at least Carrie Fisher's family gave
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: permission to use that unused footage from Force Awakens and
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: The Last Jedi to kind of really push the meter forward.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: But I know Ryan Johnson worked with Carrie Fisher on
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: rewrites for The Last Jedi. Like we've talked about it before,
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: but Carrie Fisher was basically like a script editor in
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: her free time, and that was like her main job
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: for yeah, like Hollywood career.
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: If you look at her IMDb, she has so many credits,
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: which is absolutely bonkers. I've actually looked it up once,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: mainly because like for me, it wasn't until I think
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: twenty oh well, no, two thousand and eight. I don't
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: want to sound weird and say, twenty oh eight, two
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: thousand and eight, she was in this random horror film
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: and I was like, holy crap, that's Princess Leah, and
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: so like I looked up like what all she had
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: been in since Star Wars, and yeah, she had an
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: amazing resume in Hollywood, and I think that's just great.
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: Now again, more people with snapping of their fingers. Here
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: we have been soaking up all of the hunt for
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: Ben solo stuff, and Ryan was asked about it, he says,
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: I want to see Adam in another Star Wars movie, man,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I want to see yes. And then also one thing
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: that we didn't put on here that we did see
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: in November was some tongue in cheek photos from Adam
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: and a completely different country taking photos in front of
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: some pinball machines, one of them being a specific Star
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: Wars pinball machine, and him having the biggest grin on
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: his face and he knew exactly what he was doing.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: So I I love when actors do this because they
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: just don't give a damn anymore. And it's kind of
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: in the same realm of what we're going to be
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: talking about with Oscar Isaac as well. But why don't
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: you take that bullet point?
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: All right? So Oscar Isaac, in an interview with g
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: Q magazine, uh, said this on returning to work with Disney. Yeah,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be open to it, although right now
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not so open to working with Disney. But if
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: they can kind of figure it out and you know,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: not succumb to fascism, that would be great. Love.
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I I shared the video to some of
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: the GUA members that we all we all kind of
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: follow each other on TikTok, and I told them I
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: love that this quote didn't just come from a like
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: off screen interview. You actually see him say this in
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: front of a camera. He knows exactly what he's doing. Like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I love this because, yeah, fuck fascism.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: The man is just a legend, and I love all
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: of the pieces he's in and I'm super excited. I
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: haven't had a chance to sit down and watch Frankenstein,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: but I really do want to.
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: It's on my to do list before the end of
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: the year. Like every single time that I'm just sitting
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: in my living room and everybody else is asleep, I'm like,
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: I could stay up and watch it, but I know
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: I'll probably fall asleep, so I'll wait.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also, just as a stein not completely unrelated
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: to anything we're talking about, other than the fact that
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Frankenstein is on Netflix, screw you Netflix for not having
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Wake Up Dead Men be in theaters in South Carolina,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: or at least.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I will say, I think it's kind of bs that
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: they're only doing limited releases.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Worst scenario I have seen every or I say, everyone,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I've seen both Knives Out films previously in theaters, and
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: I was really looking forward to seeing this one, Like
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: I had all my babysitting coordinated and everything, and then
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: KABLUEI no, wake up that well no.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: And I think like, for one, hey, Netflix, let me
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: just tell you, you would probably have a better chance at
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: buying WB if you had box office money. You stupid
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: bitches like you you refuse to have a like a
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: full release of K Pop Demon Hunters, Like even the
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: singalong version it was on select theaters, it wasn't worldwide.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Streaming is not going to make you money long term.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I understand. I understand the want because hey,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: that was your business model, coming from somebody who was
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: literally building a business on on something that will legitimately
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: be in the same boat you were in. Guess what
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: I'm also doing though, Oh well I actually can't say that,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: so you'll have to wait and see. But yeah, like,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: I just think it's so dumb because not only with
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: Cake Pop Demon Hunters, but with this as well. You've
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: had multiple movies with directors saying, hey, I really wish
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: I could have had a theatrical release. They would have
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: even gone with a limited theatrical release and you still
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: didn't give it to them. Like, if you're so worried
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: about being in the hole and then not being able
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: to make these bigger purchases that will better your company, Hey,
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: make the smarter move here, guys. Really sorry, that was
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit of a rant there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: No, we completely went off topic, and that's fine because
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I was just really pissed off about Lake of Dead Men.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: I was really wanting to see the theaters. So yeah,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: I believe that concludes our news segment for the evening.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Yes, and now we are off to the Battle of Jacku. Now, guys,
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: if you do not have a local comic book shop
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: or a Barnes and Noble nearby not sponsored, go check
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: out Marvel Unlimited. All of these series that are included
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: in the Battle of Jacku are on Marvel Unlimited. That's
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: how I was reading it, Katie, I believe actually had
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: the physical book, so yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Because I still haven't fixed my Marvel Unlimited payment, but yes,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: I have the physical book and I even put post its.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Uh So right off the bat, Katie, I'm gonna go
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: ahead and tell you my very angry.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, let's do the credits first so we can
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: make sure everyone properly so working on this.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: We have Alex Sigura as the writer. For Insurgency Rising,
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: which is part one, we have artist Leonard Kirk, Jethrow Morales,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: Luke Ross and Stefano Rafael, the color artist being Rachelle
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Rosenberg with Alex Sinclair letter for or I'm Gonna wait
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: for that Republic under Siege, which is part two, we
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: have artists Stefano Rafael with Jethrow Morales, uh, color artist
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: being Alex Sinclair with Jim Campbell. And then Last Stand,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: which is the final part part three, we have Jethrow
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Morales with Leonard Kirk and the color artist being Jim Campbell.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: The letter for the entire thing is VC's Joe karamong
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Kara Magna cover art. We have Phil Noto for Insurgent
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: You're Rising, Touring clerk for Republic under Siege, and and
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: just for Last Stand.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Very nice yes now Star Wars Bettlejaku Insurgency Rising. This
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: book opens up an issue one.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: At the very non spoilers first.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, non spoilers for as Heated is I'm gonna be
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: for this first bit, like after we go into the
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: non spoilers. I will also say this, I love the art.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: This story kind of fell flat for me, more so because,
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: like the whole book is called Battle of Jaccu. Mm hmm,
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: when do we get to Jaccu.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Of the final part if the.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: Final issue really it's like the very end of issue three,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: but we don't even get like boots on the Ground
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: until the end of issue four. Don't call this the
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: Battle of Jacku. Like, what you should really do is
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: name it like something that is knowingly to the audience. Oh,
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: this is before the Battle of Jacu. You know, do
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: a play on words, do something, because I was waiting
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: for this big space battle. This you know again, boots
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: on the ground. Hey, this is going to be a
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: fight for Jacu. Also to find out that the Battle
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: of Jacku is not even and again minor spoilers in
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: the non spoiler section, finding out that the Battle of
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Jaku is not an actual like order from any living
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: person at the time. It doesn't. It literally does nothing,
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: like when.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: When you knew that from Aftermath empires in Yes, technically yes,
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: but when you look at the grander story of Star Wars,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: this literally only happens because the Force Awakens takes place
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: on Jaku.
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: You're not wrong, Like there is no actual reason for
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Jaku to be the centerpoint of this story or this battle.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: But it's simply because and I think once you read
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Alphabet Squadron you'll get a little more context to it
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: as well, because there's this whole thing that Battle of
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Jack who kind of goes into it's pulling snippets from
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Alphabet Squadron as well as Aftermath. So okay, there's a
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: lot of context because Alphabet Squadron trilogy and Aftermath trilogy
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: happen nearly identical pacing.
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, so that's probably why. Like I saw some of
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: these characters and I'm.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Like, who are you well, and not really that, but
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: like Operation Center is like a big focal point of
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: Alphabet Squadron, but it's mentioned in here because like you
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: see like the little droids and everything. Sorry, I'm flipping
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: through trying to find something. So going back to my
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: non spoiler thoughts, I really enjoyed the art in this
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Like I tried to pick out a few key pieces
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: where I was like, ooh, this is like my favorite,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: but like, realistically I love how the art flows in
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: this book, specifically I love that for our main trio
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: because we do get hot in this, albeit limited, because
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: this happens at the same time as Aftermath. He's off
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: doing something on his own. All of the characters, all
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: of our main trio, including even Orlando, they look like themselves,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: but they don't look like the actors. And I love that.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: I was a little wishy watching on that because like,
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: although I really did love the art here, there was
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: sometimes where like the same artists would draw Luke Skywalker
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: inconsistently in all of Insurgency Rising, you know, and I'm
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: just like, Okay, this is a little weird, but I
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: can get over it. But then when you move on
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: to what's the second one? The second one is Republic
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: under Siege.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Well, and Insurgency Rising had multiple different artists.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Ah, so that makes sense. Okay. So when you're looking
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: at h Republic Undersiege and you see look, look, you
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: see Luke, You're like, oh, that's Luke Skywalker. Cool.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I even love how like in this you
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: have like this character whose name is Weasel. This looks
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: like the guy who plays R two D two.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Yes, he is also from Willow He uh what's his
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: name in here?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: He?
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: He actually is a character in Star Wars Weasel. He
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: is in a New Hope and he is Yes, I am.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: I am almost positive he is a New Hope as
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: well as Return of the Jedi. I'll have to double
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: check on that, but I am. Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Phantom Menace first appearance.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, he's in he's on tattooing.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's in solo appearances.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: He is look at that.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah cool. Okay, Yeah, I really loved the art. I
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: would agree with you the stories kind of hit or miss,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: because I was definitely trying to go through and go like, okay,
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: where are we at? And aftermath, Like, wait, Leah looks
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: more pregnant than I would expect her to be based
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: on everything else.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, that was another thing. When you go from uh
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Republic under Siege to Last Stand, she gets jumbo pregnant,
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: and I don't know how much time has passed between.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: It almost seems like immediately after because they're talking about
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: the same things that are going on at the very
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: end of Republic Undersiege.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: But then like you see Leah and her very famous
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: like all white outfit and she is like prego prego.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's where it was like. It was hard
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: for me to keep track too, because also the other
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: thing that you have to consider, guys, is we both
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: hated the Aftermath trilogy like a deep and not most passion.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: So going through and reading this this did catch my
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: attention more than Aftermath did. Yeah, probably because the art
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: was so good, but tracking it with Aftermath because I
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: specifically wash it Aftermath from my brain. I had Wikipedia
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: up for like part of my bread and was like, Okay,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: what was happening in Aftermath again? I lifed at where
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: are we Empires end? Like all those things. And it's
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: not any fault of I think Sigura. If you hadn't
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: read Aftermath, you'd be like, oh, that's a cool easter egg.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Maybe I'll look that up one day. But because we've
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: read Aftermath, we're like, wait a second, does this match
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: up chronologically?
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: But now there's another story that also lines up with
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: this alphabet squadron No, the very beginning of Insurgency Rising,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: issue number one, the opening pages, where are they? Well
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: not the opening pages? Uh yeah? When when you first see, uh,
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: this is.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: This is not Princess in the Scout? Oh you wait
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: a second?
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, Princess and the Scoundrel one hundred percent.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: Dude, You're right. I kind of thought about it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: Princess and the Scoundrel. My notes verbatim say, hold the
• 51:42
  Speaker 3: fucking phone. Why is Han leaving immediately after their wedding?
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: This is a continuity air?
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: They are saying that the Battle of Jaku happens literally
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: moments after their wedding, when in fact, we know that
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: with Princesses and the Scoundrel takes place immediately after their
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: wedding and they go on a cruise.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: Yes, So are you just saying like battle Jack who
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: because that's the name of the twelve issue run?
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because this is uh what did I say? This
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: is insurgency Rising?
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, because again the ending issues like this takes
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: place over a full year basically okay, yah, just the
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: same pacing as Aftermath. Aftermath takes place over a full year.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: The trilogy takes place over a full year.
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: So, but yeah, I see what you're saying.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: And if that's the case. If that's the case, you
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: have alphabet scratchron, you have Princesses Scoundrel, you have have
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: the Aftermath trilogy, and this all stepping on each other's
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: toes yep, which and.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: It never really mattered because Alphabet Squadron and Aftermath didn't
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: really feature a whole lot of Leya like there is Leya,
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: but Leyah primarily comes in at the end of Aftermath
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: and then at the end or and then she's more
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: of a main character really in Life, Debt and Empires that. Yeah,
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: not a main character, but like you know what I mean.
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, having Leyah in this le and Han like
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: Han Han's appearances really kind of line up other than
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: the beginning with Aftermath. Yeah, I'm gonna have to go
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: back and read Princess in the Scoundrel and see if
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: there's any like head cannoning.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: I don't think there is. I don't think there is,
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: because if my memory serves me right, they have their
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: bachelor bachelorette parties, they have the wedding, and then immediately
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: after the wedding, they're like, Okay, we're off to go
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: to war. Still, we need to clean up the galaxy.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And then that's when they're like, oh hold on, no
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: no no, no, no no, no, you guys need to
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: take it easy and they go on the cruise.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because the whole point of that book was like
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: the Halcyon plug. But then also because they did.
• 54:34
  Speaker 3: Have they did have a moment in uh Insurgency Rising
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: where Leah went to Darth Vader's mask just like she
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: did in Princess and the Scoundrel. So I was like, okay,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: things are starting like these things are still looking okay.
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: But that was before the wedding, not after, yep, and
• 54:59
  Speaker 3: so like it it. It all just didn't make a
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: whole lot of sense to me right there, and so
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: that was like strike one for me reading the rest
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: of the book again, I like the art. I like
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: seeing Yeager. I'm a big fan of Yeger from uh,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: what's the show was?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: Resistance?
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Resistance? Yes? And then seeing and you can help me
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: with this? A damn arn? Is is that any relationships?
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Correct? So that's Poe's father. We're sorry, guys. The more
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: I talk, the more it hurts, and the more I cough. Therefore,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: so that is Poe's father. I don't know if his
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: mom is still alive at this point, because I haven't
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: finished Charles Soul's run of Star Wars.
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Okay, so I know she's allowed.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: At the beginning of that, I feel like so yeah,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: but Poe is alive at this point, and there's probably
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: more Poe Damn Roon references than you would get, really,
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: because Alex Sigura wrote Poe Damn Roon free Fall, and
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: there are several references that book in there, which is
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: also why you see uh Ziva Bliss in this is
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: because the Blisses, the Spice writerership Kaujimi make an appearance
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: in that, because that's like the tie in to know, well, Poe,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: how do you know Zori? Yeah, so, so there's a
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: lot of references to his novel in here, which I
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: don't mind. They're they're not like overly conscious about anything.
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: So okay, So let's immediately talk about the main conflict,
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: which is this dude named at Heart Adele Heart. How'd
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: you feel about him being an antagonist, the guy that,
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: for alltons and purposes here is trying to take the
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: role of the Emperor in some capacity, goes immediately downhill
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: and then literally chooses chaos at the very end of this, Like,
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: how did you feel about his entire characterization?
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: I definitely thought he was a super dumbass, because, like
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: you can see, like in the Accolades of the Beyond
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: are in here as well, and they're playing a key
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: role in Operation Center and all these things that the
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Emperor has kind of set into motion with his death,
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: and so he's really just kind of losing his brain
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit here with everything that's going on. He's like,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: I am burdened with glorious purpose.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say this dude, this dude literally thinks
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: he's the main character.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like Vader came to me when I got
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: my promotion to governor and said, we have great things
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: planned for you, but like not really, because you were
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: shoved in this dark little hole sector in the galaxy
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: like hoping you would never come out again.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: It's the manipulation of the Empire. That's how they got
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: people to do exactly what they wanted to do. I'm sorry,
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: it is, that's all it is.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: He's superbly interesting, I would think though, because of what
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: he knows about the Empire. But he's on like the
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: same playing field as the Lothal governor. What's her name
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: from Throng? Oh? Yes, yeah, because I hated her guts
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: and I hate Adelhart basically just as much because they're
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: both dumb as crap and they think they're destined for greatness.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: But I love I do love how Adelhart just basically
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: chooses to go straight chaos at the end, like fuck all, y'all,
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna burn.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: It all down, like he when he gets every like
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: his like right hand is like, do we go down?
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, you will go when I say you go,
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: not a moment sooner, not a moment later. And then
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: like like three pages he's like, Okay, kill everyone, empire,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: rebellion everyone, And I'm like, oh God, and it's it's insanity. Honestly, Yeah, he's.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: He seems like he could be super smart in some
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: of the things that he does, but he also had
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: an imperial spy, or not an imperial spy, a rebellion
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: spy in his midst. For goodness knows how long he
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: got super jipped by Raina Osciar, who, by the way,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: is the first Anzioti from Legends to make an appearance
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: in canon. The Anxiati were a legend species, and to
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: Go brought them in for the first time. Up. Tashu
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: was one of the people from Aftermath. He dies at
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: the end of Aftermath spoiler alert. Maybe we already talked
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: about that, But like going back to adel Hard. Adelhard,
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh, I am the heir to the throne
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: of the empire, and everybody else is like, no, you're
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: the pawn who's going to let everything else happen, basically
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: because I can manipulate you. And he's like, I don't
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: trust you, Oscar, but at the same time, like, I'm
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: fully gonna make out with you, Like, dude, you're not smart.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: What's yeah, Like, I was very confused as to like
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: what made him think that he literally had all of
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: the cards in the deck, because you clearly saw everybody
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: else making these moves, and you just think, oh, because
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: that one time Darth Vader said I'm special. I can
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 3: just say things and people will follow me.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Yep, Like it's wild nobody, And this is what I've
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: like told like, this is the difference between like this
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: case and like Lane Kiffin, for instance, because Lane Kiffin
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: is like the popularity popular topic in college football right now.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: People know what you said in the room, dude, and
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: everybody has social media because you met with one hundred
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: and fifteen people to talk about you leaving to go
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: to LSU. In this case, Adlehart only met with Vader.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Nobody else freaking cares because nobody else was there to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: witness what Vader told you. Dude, Yeah, you are dumb.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: Like I do. Like one thing that I was kind
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 3: of pissed off about him, and I wish they explored
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: a little bit more. And I think it's more so
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: just because of his psyche, but like he's like the
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: Force is a joke. It's on magic and gimmicks, and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: then he like witnesses it for firsthand from Luke and
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 3: he's like, huh, maybe this dark side is like a
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 3: good thing to be on my side. And then like
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: he never does anything with it, you know, like there's
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: there's a little bit of teasing of like, oh, yes,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 3: you're you're what does he call her, Oh you dark witch?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: Like yes, like your dark side will aid me in
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: my up and comings, but like for now, blah blah blah,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: and he never pursues anything with it.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what like I really didn't understand in
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: like the grand scheme of things, is like he feels
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: like he could be this super cool character and maybe
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: Sugora was just kind of given him and gone because
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: Adelhard was introduced in a video game in twenty sixteen
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: and then has kind of been used in this general
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: area twenty.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: Sixteen, So I'm guessing that is Starfighter Star Wars Uprising, Oh, Uprising, Okay.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah it is. It was a mobile game, yeah, with
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: a full release on September tenth, twenty fifteen. It was
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: taken offline November seventeenth, twenty sixteen.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: So, but they kind of expanded on his character throughout,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: like this area of the timeline between Aftermath, Alphabet Squadron,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: all those things. So maybe he was given this and
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: been like, Okay, you're gonna tell adele Hard's story in this,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: but I want you to also tell everybody else's story
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: at the same time. Yeah, I was trying to look
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: for something that because he's definitely like big here, like
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: he is I would say the main character of this story.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Would you agree? Disagree?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I I one hundred percent degree I do that.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: We get Race Loan, by the way, we haven't really
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: talked about her all that much, but I love Race.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: Loan, and she also is like a very minor character here,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: like she you see her just like pop in every
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: so once in a while to kind of move the
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 3: agenda towards what I assume will be the twenty twenty
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: five volume of Star Wars.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, because she disappears at the end
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: of Aftermath and so like that they go off into
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: the Unknown Galaxy, So I don't think she'll make an
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: appearance there. I haven't looked, because obviously we're going to
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: be reviewing that in the eventual spirit. Yeah, so, but
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: I love like Sigoura really does tell like a very
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: tight story and he adds a lot of details. But
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: I do wish that maybe he got like five issues
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: per like mini run.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think this needed to have at least one
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: or two more to kind of flesh things out a
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: little bit, because again, the dark side stuff I think
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: he like would have been really fun to kind of
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: mess with. Also, the the clear like espionage spy stuff
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 3: that is like in the Man Mathma Lea story in
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: here is something that I also wanted to kind of
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: still pick up a little bit. And then like again,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 3: you you reintroduce a very famous comic book character being
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: Doctor Afra, and then nothing.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: I love it, and I think it was to help
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: kind of speed the way for the Doctor Afra series
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: that came after a little bit, because we're gonna talk
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: about that one too. But yes, she doesn't really make
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: a huge appearance here. She's just kind of helping redirect
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: the story, like hey, Luke, you're getting distracted, like you
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: need to focus. In that same regard, though, I did
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: want to talk about this character, this acolyte of the Beyond, okay,
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: whose name is Housel, this very clear redhead who who
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: also because I missed the page apparently where I had
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: the note, who also has green eyes like mar.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: Jade, like this exactly where this was going, Like that's.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent on purpose. Let's be real, y'all. Let's
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: be real on purpose by some artist or even Cigura's
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: fault in the grand scheme of things, like I just
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: had to bring it up.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm I'm wondering if anybody else has had that
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: temp of oil hat of like, oh, this is a
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: pseudo yme, She's really Mara a Jade.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: You know, I think I don't know in like that regard.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: I think it's probably just like a haha, like I'm
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: gonna laugh at.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: All you like a little tongue in cheek. So uh,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 3: speaking of in the fourth issue.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, here is this one. Sorry, I did have it
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: oh yes, in my note, she's got a green eyes too.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: Like I believe it's issue four of it's started to
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: see and Luke is fighting this inquisitor impostor who we
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: later find out is right now. Yes, now, so she's
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: not an inquisitor. She has a blade from an inquisitor, yes,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: and so my question is where'd she gets the blade?
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: And he even says, oh, anybody can wield a blade, right,
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: because of course she wasn't using any force powers and
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: we know that she is a part of like this
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: grander cult that just follows the Emperor's every whim.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: The ag Yeah. So to me, she's working with up Tashuo,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: which means up Tashu, being the Imperial Advisor, probably had
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: access to the Inquisitor blades and stuff. I did think
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: that originally Luke had gotten his hands on an inquisitor
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: blade and so he was sneaking in. But like obviously
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: we see Luke come out, but I was like, dude,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: what is going on? Because it is because of how
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: much Sigoura has to tackle, it does kind of feel disconnected.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Where he tells Lea, oh, I'm gonna go find our people. Yeah,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: but then also like yeah.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: Do you have anything else in regards to the Battle
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: of jack Who, Because I'm what, I'm like, everything that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking of we kind of already tackled.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: Uh. We do get Lando's Lady Luck.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: Yes, design.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I it's supposed to be a very luxurious yacht, and
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: I do love the design, but it is definitely different
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: compared to most of the ships that we've seen.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 3: But of course Orlando has to be different, you.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: Know, He's got to be different. He definitely has to.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I love this panel in particular with le or this
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: page with Lea and my Mathma. This is just like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: a very politically moving segment where because my Mathmas like
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: governance rarely holds the same idealistic wonder as revolution. And
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: that's true, like in a grand scheme of things, that's
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: absolutely true. But also it shouldn't have to be that different.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I really, I really wanted to again, like I
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: wanted to explore more of mon Mathma's as well as
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: Leo's story, because I think it was twice in this
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 3: entire series that they survived assassination temps, and I like,
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: h I don't think we get enough of the espionage
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: stuff when it comes to comics, it's all it's all
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: the star star fighting and the ground battles, but none
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: of like the secret mission stuff.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because in this like you're getting a lot of
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: like the political machinations, but you definitely also get more
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: of that. I feel like in Aftermath, just because of
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: everything that's going on, I did really Sorry. I'm flipping
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: through and taking out my notes trying to see if
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: there's anything else that I had. This this panel of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: Afra is just super gorgeous, Like.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that page splash it.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: It's gorgeous because obviously we both feel like crap and
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: we needed to move them on. Oh. I did like
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: this reference. It's it's where doctor Afra is still in.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: I think this is issue to uh yeah, Republic undersiege too,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: And it's kind of the big one where Rax is
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: telling uh Rand and Sloan like, hey, like get your
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: crap together, and he's talking about like the future of
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: the Battle of Jack WHU And he's like the Battle
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: of Jack who will bury the past and open the
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: door to a future beyond anything the Empire has ever envisioned.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: And my note on there was let the past die,
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: kill it if you have to, Yes, I just like
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: how authors have chosen to like kind of grasp that
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: and like grasp certain comments of the sequel children and
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: could just go, yeah, we're just gonna rope it. Basically. Yeah,
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: this was another good splash page with all the characters
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: on them.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: I really love the art right there.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like having Adle Harraina the bounty hunter. Like, there's
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: just something about this Luke draw right here, Like it
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: looks like Hamil but it doesn't. And like that gives
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: me goosebumps because so often you, like previously you've seen
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: in comics, hey we want to stick to what the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: actor looks like. Yeah, I love how they branched out
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: and we're like, hey, you know what, like let's make
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: him look different.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: But like, yeah, I like the idea of like, hey,
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 3: you need to draw Luke Skywalker, not Mark Hamill.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: That was in the same vein of that comment. What
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: was this one? Okay, I can figure that one out.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: I have three more. Okay.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: So in the assassination attempt on Chandrilla, where Lea is
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: super pregnant, she's talking about how Sloan's visit, like their
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: appearance so soon after chaos wrought by Sloan's visit. Sloane's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: visit was Aftermath Life Debt, so it makes sense kind
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: of the area that we've time traveled.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 2: Here, yeah, here, here's a comment on this page where
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Raina reveals that she's betraying him, and it says, dude,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: you're a freaking idiot. Okay, that's it. That's all I had.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the fact that he like was just so
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: like encumbered by power, Like he's like, oh, I can
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: have my woman, I can have my power, I can
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: have my fleet, I can have my entire sector of space. Wait.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: I started to like him, and then he lost to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: Luke Skywalker the very first time, and I'm like, dude,
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: you're you're a joke.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: Like, and.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that is like a good part of
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: writing when it comes to Star Wars or a bad
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: part of writing when it comes to Star Wars, because like,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 3: you want a challenging antagonist, but like knowing somebody is
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: so dumb and it challenges our heroes, It's like that's
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: a little frustrating. Yeah, And like overall, that's kind of
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: how or why my rating of this book is a
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 3: little flat. If he was a little bit more of
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 3: a threat, like a legitimate threat. I feel like, like,
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: and again, the characters, like everybody in this book sees
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: him as a threat, and that's not the problem. But
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: when us the audience that are reading this, it's like, dude,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 3: you're kind of a joke, Like I know you're gonna
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: lose at the end of this, Like that is not
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: where I want to be headspace wise while I'm reading
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: the book.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: But I do think it's also to kind of showcase
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: because Adulhart is mentioned so frequently in Aftermath and Alphabet Squadron.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I think this is kind of meant to just give
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: you that area of his story, because you know that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: there's other things going around going on if you've read
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: those books. But then this kind of gives you at
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: all Heart's story, but then gives you those hints to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: the other stories that are going on.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I did. Also, I caught this one, this cover right
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: here for Last and two, where everybody looks like the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: actors like this is basically pulled straight out of Return
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: of the Jedi. I like how that's done to kind
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: of tie it back into the actors, Like.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: Hey, well yeah, Like I will say, every single cover
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: for this entire series, I think looks amazing. I love it.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: Like the one that we chose for our Thumbdale is
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: quite possibly one of my favorites. I absolutely love it.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 3: The contrast between the background, the orange background and like
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: Luke's green lightsaber. It's a contradictsies each other so much.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: You're like, uh, that doesn't really look good, but for
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 3: some reason it looks so good.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I guess the last question that
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: I really have for you. So we have rin Zinnat
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: introduced in the opening pages of Insurgency Rising, and she
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: is basically like a main character through the rest of
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: the book, an original character as far as I can tell.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: What did you think of her throughout this She's really
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: partnered with Luke.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: A lot.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: And kind of is It's a focal point to showcase
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: his Jedi side because she's got like rage.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: Like not only his Jedi side, but like almost also
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 3: his like inability to like as of right now, because
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: he's so early on in his mastered like Jedi like
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 3: form as an individual, how unrelatable he is to every
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 3: single person that he interacts with, Like he has this
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: hero complex, which is a downfall of Luke Skywalker. We've
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 3: seen it before this the entire like reason why the
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 3: Last Jedi is the way that it is, but like
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 3: she kind of brings him down to Earth, which I
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: really really enjoyed. Now. It was teased in Insurgency Rising
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: that she was a Spice Runner, but not confirmed. It
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: was teased and then at the very end, I.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: Don't necessarily know how I feel about the whole spice
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: runner thing, just because I feel like that's like a
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: crutch that Star Wars people have been using, Like why
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: couldn't she have just been a smuggler per se.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: I think it was a little bit of a crutch
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: just because we were dealing with other Spice runners, you know,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: but in the same vein, Like I do think that
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: smugglers and spice runners run in the same circles, so
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: she could have been either. But when it comes to
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: light that she is one, it's this like hey, and
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: like talking to Luke, it's like, hey, we're still people,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: We're still human, you know, we're still fighting the good
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: fight type of thing, and he has this aha moment
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: of like, oh, yeah, I guess anybody could help us,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: which again is a little bit of a knock on
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: the Luke Skywalker characterization, but these heroes need to learn
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 3: lessons like for us to be relatable to them.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's definitely like it's an attempt to humanize him, right,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: because he does have like elements of rage in this
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: where he's like, well, we've got I need to go
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: take Adlehart out because he's just killing all of my
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: friends basically, and it's humanizing him and it's getting us to, hey,
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: he's not infallible, and that's what the Last Jedi was
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: trying to show us. But that's also where everybody else
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: has to tie in, because we came out of Return
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: of the Jedi and everybody's like, oh, Luke Skywalker the
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: shining hero among us. But heroes aren't infallible. And so
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: that's what I feel like every and it may be unfortunate,
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: but I feel like that's what every Luke Skywalker story
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: has to have entangled with it now, is we have
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: to show he's infallible or he's not infallible.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Excuse me, Yeah, I one hundred percent agree.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: We have cleaned up the notes, I've gotten all the
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: ugly post its out of the book.
• 1:22:19
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• 1:22:22
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• 1:22:25
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• 1:22:31
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• 1:22:43
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• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: I have been sick and so has Jake, and we
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 3: were supposed to record on Monday night and then we
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 3: both forgot, and then we were talking about doing it yesterday.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 3: But I'm still like feeling like crap. So We're gonna
• 1:23:01
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• 1:23:05
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