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Rugby Direct - Episode 173 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 4: and your business to a higher level. After a week
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  Speaker 4: of rest and rotation, we're back on Rugby Direct Elliott
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  Speaker 4: Smith with me as always Liam Napier, Rugby writer for
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  Speaker 4: The New Zealand Herald. Liam, we had to put the
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  Speaker 4: feed up last week, but we're back and some would
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  Speaker 4: say better than ever.
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  Speaker 5: It's all right.
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  Speaker 6: It's to refresh and revive and bring the positivity.
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  Speaker 4: Here spunge the negativity which was suggested to us by
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  Speaker 4: a perhaps a former listener potentially off the podcast when
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  Speaker 4: I mentioned it on Twitter that we would not be
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  Speaker 4: on this week. Well, we come in and record the podcast.
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  Speaker 4: In the wake of the All Blacks Rugby Championship squad
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  Speaker 4: being named, there are forty two names on the team
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  Speaker 4: sheet named by Scott Robertson and co. Today, six of
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  Speaker 4: the players injury cover this squad to cover the entire
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  Speaker 4: Rugby Championship, hence why there are so many players covering
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  Speaker 4: for other players in the squad. We got an update
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  Speaker 4: last week around the injuries Liam and then today we
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  Speaker 4: see Simon Parker named in the squad proper. We see
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  Speaker 4: in the injury cover list uncapped players Tavita Maffalo, Carl
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  Speaker 4: Preston and Leroy Carter. We see Finlay Christie's name back
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  Speaker 4: as injury cover, and we also see Wallace to Tt
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  Speaker 4: and Peter Luckeye back in there as well, among other things.
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  Speaker 4: So where do you want to start? What stands out
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  Speaker 4: to you most from this squad? Oh, it's a big squad,
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  Speaker 4: isn't it? Forty two players?
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  Speaker 6: And I think that well, they clearly will be a
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  Speaker 6: lot of comings and goings throughout this tournament, particularly in
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  Speaker 6: the I think the All Blacks are taking thirty seven
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  Speaker 6: players to Argentina, mafe Leo will go and to Maty
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  Speaker 6: Williams will go, and then they'll be chopping and changing,
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  Speaker 6: won't theren Scott Robertson will be an expert juggler by
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  Speaker 6: the end of this tournament. I guess the new faces
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  Speaker 6: always stand out don't they So, Simon Parker, we knew
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  Speaker 6: the All Blacks were keeping a very close eye on him.
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  Speaker 6: One hundred and nineteen cag's close to two meters to
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  Speaker 6: I think one point nine to five meters. Twenty five
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  Speaker 6: year olds really stoot out for the Chiefs this year.
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  Speaker 6: Scott Robinson talked about how accurate he was as well
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  Speaker 6: as been a big player, a big frame. So he's
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  Speaker 6: notable because he's in the squad, he's there for the
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  Speaker 6: entirety of the tournament and then others. I guess I'm
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  Speaker 6: excited to see Kyle Preston in that mix. I think
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  Speaker 6: he's a guy that appeals, he's quick, he's got great support,
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  Speaker 6: plays called four tries in his first Super Rugby appearance
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  Speaker 6: for the Crusaders, and Lee Roy Carter as well. Scott
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  Speaker 6: Robinson today labeled him the fastest man in New Zealand,
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  Speaker 6: which might need some fact chicking potential potentially, but he's
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  Speaker 6: a real point of difference, versatile, fast and those outside
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  Speaker 6: backs spots do seem wide open, and I guess a
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  Speaker 6: couple of omissions. Christian Leo Wede, who came in from
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  Speaker 6: being injury cover initially for Wallace a TS and Dalton Puppole.
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  Speaker 5: He drops out.
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  Speaker 6: After coming off the bench, which was probably to be expected.
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  Speaker 4: What about you, Yeah, the one that stands out to
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  Speaker 4: me is Simon Parker. Oh, I'm same as you. He
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  Speaker 4: was the name that we heard being whispered about as
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  Speaker 4: a contender for the Rugby Championship squad. An untimely injury
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  Speaker 4: in the back end of the Chiefs campaign and he
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  Speaker 4: didn't play through their run in the latter part of
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  Speaker 4: the season to the final. But is there a much
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  Speaker 4: the prototype that they've been looking for in this ongoing
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  Speaker 4: search that has been going on for eighty y to
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  Speaker 4: try and replace Jerome Cano With her players come in
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  Speaker 4: and out, you can see whether they're going with two
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  Speaker 4: Part VI in terms of the body type that rafter
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  Speaker 4: but certainly Simon Parker's similar size, weight, height, etc. But
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  Speaker 4: more of a natural loose ford than probably we've seen
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  Speaker 4: from Tupa VII who can do the role and perform
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  Speaker 4: well during the Rugby Championship. But Simon Parker is certainly
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  Speaker 4: more natural as a flankers, so I think that stands
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  Speaker 4: out to him and the fact that he is included
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  Speaker 4: in the squad proper is more of a voter confidence
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  Speaker 4: to his ability that he probably would have been there
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  Speaker 4: in July had it not been for that injury he
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  Speaker 4: got during Super Rugby. Interestingly, he has got to play
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  Speaker 4: a bit more rugby before he gets on the plane
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  Speaker 4: for the Tunny Far this weekend in the NPC, before
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  Speaker 4: they get on there. But I really do like that
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  Speaker 4: selection is a player that's been around for a few years,
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  Speaker 4: has had a few injuries and not being able to
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  Speaker 4: get a regular spot in the chief side through those injuries.
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  Speaker 4: But when he's been on the park this year, it
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  Speaker 4: feels like a player that has grown into his frame,
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  Speaker 4: now know the way, knows the way he can use
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  Speaker 4: his frame, and that's what the All Blacks are wanting
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  Speaker 4: from him.
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  Speaker 5: That's right, and he will get a chance.
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  Speaker 6: I think the All Blacks will go back to Tupo VII,
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  Speaker 6: whether it's straight away for the Pumas or the Spring Rocks.
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  Speaker 6: I think they like that. They will persevere with that.
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  Speaker 6: But that six jersey does still feel open. You've got
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  Speaker 6: some a Penny female there who played well and Hamilton,
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  Speaker 6: but it was a one off performance. Needs to back
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  Speaker 6: that up. Simon Parker. Another option, Wallace Titi comes back
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  Speaker 6: in the mix. We expect him to go to number
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  Speaker 6: eight with Ardie Stain at seven, so that leaves the
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  Speaker 6: six jersey open. And as you say, it's been a
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  Speaker 6: perennial question who is the All Blacks blind so going
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  Speaker 6: to be and Simon Parker is certainly one of the
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  Speaker 6: next Cabs off the rank.
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  Speaker 4: Let's hear what Scott Robinson said about Simon Parker at
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  Speaker 4: the team naming today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good timing, you know, like Fisher just want
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  Speaker 3: to mention Simon's history, you know, like he came through
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  Speaker 3: through the sort of the age groups twenty stuff and
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  Speaker 3: she had a lot of promise and then was injured
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  Speaker 3: and he had back two or three back to back
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  Speaker 3: injuries and just couldn't quite get his rhythm. And then
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  Speaker 3: in the last year or two's got on the field,
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  Speaker 3: been incredibly professional, you know, his body type and has
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  Speaker 3: changed just being in the chiefs and consistency of playing
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  Speaker 3: footy week to week. He's a big man, he's tough.
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  Speaker 3: Buddy's accurate too. I think that's the key thing for him.
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  Speaker 3: So we just really pleased he's he's coming at the
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  Speaker 3: right time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, Scott Robinson there on Simon Parkers. So the loose
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  Speaker 4: Ford mix with Parker's inclusion there as you mentioned, no
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  Speaker 4: Dalton Papa LETI there was a little bit of thought
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  Speaker 4: that maybe eating blackhead and might get a looking for
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  Speaker 4: this Rugby Championship, but not to be and almost under
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  Speaker 4: the radar in terms of the selection. Peter Luckeye comes
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  Speaker 4: back and got injured towards the end of Super Rugby,
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  Speaker 4: right back in the mix, and then all of a
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  Speaker 4: sudden the All Blacks have what seven loose forwards that
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  Speaker 4: they have named for this Rugby Championship.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, after only having five four July, it is a
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  Speaker 6: bigger squad, but that was clearly a group they were
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  Speaker 6: looking to add to.
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  Speaker 5: All similar sort of players.
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  Speaker 6: Aren't they quite dynamic, very good with ball in hands, mobile,
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  Speaker 6: So I think it's a good mix there. The spotlight
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  Speaker 6: for me, though, Earliot shines brightest on the halfback Runks
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  Speaker 6: and because the All Blacks aren't going to be able
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  Speaker 6: to replace Ken Rugab, there's no light for light replacement.
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  Speaker 6: Rygad for me is firmly in the conversation for the
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  Speaker 6: world's best halfback alongside DuPont and Grant Williams out of
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  Speaker 6: South Africa.
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  Speaker 5: Jamison Gibson Park.
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  Speaker 6: He's only played twelve tests, but his influence has been
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  Speaker 6: such on this group. His booming left boot has sniping
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  Speaker 6: his size. There's nobody around in the New Zealand team
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  Speaker 6: that can emulate what he brings. And then you lose
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  Speaker 6: Noah Hotham as well, who was pushing to be the
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  Speaker 6: number two. So you bring in finally Christy and Kyle
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  Speaker 6: Preston three with cortiez Rasima, three similar sized halfbacks.
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  Speaker 5: Are you worried about that mix?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I am, Actually I think there's a real drop off
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  Speaker 4: to the next group of half backs that come through.
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  Speaker 4: I thought hoping was good off the bench and that
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  Speaker 4: opportunity got in Hamilton and would have put some real
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  Speaker 4: pressure on for this trip to Argentina and beyond to
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  Speaker 4: either be the bench player now we're doing cam Roy
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  Speaker 4: guards out, you know, maybe even be the starting half
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  Speaker 4: back for the All Black. So now things get shaken
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  Speaker 4: up a little bit and I think while there's a
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  Speaker 4: obviously new faces there in the returning faces and the
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  Speaker 4: shape of Preston and obviously Christie returning, for me, the
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  Speaker 4: series looms is quite big for courtiz Ratima in a
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  Speaker 4: way because he is going to get you would think
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  Speaker 4: starting opportunity at least in the four first Test in Cordoba,
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  Speaker 4: and now he's got Christie back in the mix and Preston.
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  Speaker 4: They're nipping at his heels and I think Ratama hasn't
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  Speaker 4: quite convinced so far this year and maybe even the
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  Speaker 4: back end of love.
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  Speaker 2: Next year with the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 4: So I think it's won a big opportunity for cause Isratima,
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  Speaker 4: but also a bit of pressure now because he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: stand alone alongside the Group's more my thinking that these
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  Speaker 4: players could now put some pressure on him when it
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  Speaker 4: comes to a full strength All Blacks halfback max.
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  Speaker 6: I think back to last year when Ratima came in
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  Speaker 6: and he generally looked better when he was starting, but
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  Speaker 6: he sort of lost a bit of ground from there,
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  Speaker 6: and then when he did get the start in Hamilton
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  Speaker 6: first time in a long time, struggled, had one nice
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  Speaker 6: kick which set up a try. But my worry for
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  Speaker 6: that mix of half backs as they're all quite small
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  Speaker 6: and the All Blacks are still trying to get their
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  Speaker 6: breakdown right and the Pumas will come hard there, the
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  Speaker 6: spring box will come hard there and if the ball
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  Speaker 6: is messy, if the All Blacks don't get that front
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  Speaker 6: foot platform. Then we've seen Ratima and others struggle with
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  Speaker 6: that and that does worry me a little bit because
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  Speaker 6: it just affects the whole flow of everything.
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  Speaker 4: Well. Finlay Christie very much a defensive halfback. That's why
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  Speaker 4: he was selected for a long time in the All
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  Speaker 4: Blacks under Ian Foster as the bench half back, not
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  Speaker 4: so much for his impact with the ball in hand,
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  Speaker 4: but what he was able to do on defense. And
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  Speaker 4: it seems like this could be an opportunity for Christy
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  Speaker 4: to really come back into the max. I mean, he
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  Speaker 4: was obviously dropped in the first after the first squad
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  Speaker 4: that Scot Robertson named last year. This time a year
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  Speaker 4: ago for the Rugby Championship, he wasn't in the squad
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  Speaker 4: to be seen. Now he's back in the mix. I
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  Speaker 4: think it's a big opportunity for him. There was a
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  Speaker 4: report last week that he's been lined up by Newcastle
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  Speaker 4: now owned by Red Bull or about to be owned
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  Speaker 4: by Red Bull, to go up and play there. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he is eligible for Scotland as well. If he plays
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  Speaker 4: on this tour, that resets the eligibility clock and he
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  Speaker 4: could well be back in the All Blacks Max for
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  Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven, So big opportunity for someone like Finlay Christie.
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  Speaker 4: I would have liked to see maybe someone with a
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  Speaker 4: little bit more running game, dynamic running game, maybe at
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  Speaker 4: topa Funaki in the mix actually for that fucker. Tava's
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  Speaker 4: a player that's been there before. I know he has
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  Speaker 4: his fans out there. I don't know that he's ever
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  Speaker 4: hit those heights again of twenty twenty one and twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty two that he reached, But some with that little
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  Speaker 4: bit of innate running game I would have liked to
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  Speaker 4: see in the mix.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, quite like Xavier Rowe and what he brings. He's
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  Speaker 6: got a really subtle passing game and he challenges around
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  Speaker 6: the fringes as well. But he's another in that sort
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  Speaker 6: of smaller bracket and that's where nobody comes close to
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  Speaker 6: replicating what Royga brings. So it is going to be
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  Speaker 6: a real challenge for the All Blacks to get these
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  Speaker 6: half packs up to speed, to get them accurate, and
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  Speaker 6: a lot of their onus is going to fall on
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  Speaker 6: that full pack to provide that platform, that clean ball,
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  Speaker 6: because when you look at their kicking game in particular,
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  Speaker 6: Ratsma and Christy that's not a noted strength of strength
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  Speaker 6: of theirs. Preston is and for me, when I look
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  Speaker 6: at that group, Preston is the one if he does
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  Speaker 6: get a chance that that could be a big mover
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  Speaker 6: if he gets the opportunity. But it's a very different
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  Speaker 6: prospect coming off the bench and super Ragby to coming
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  Speaker 6: on and trying to close out a test that might
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  Speaker 6: be in the balance in Argentina and a white hot atmosphere.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, chance to make your name, but also a lot
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  Speaker 4: of pressure comes in in that regard not hop out
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  Speaker 4: for seven to eight weeks Ken Roygard. Haven't got an
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  Speaker 4: exact timeline, but stress fractures can be about six to
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  Speaker 4: eight weeks as well. So hard to see either of
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  Speaker 4: those players being involved until probably the bledders Low Cup
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  Speaker 4: at the earliest really, which is you know, again, chances
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  Speaker 4: for these players, but it leaves a big drop.
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  Speaker 2: Off in terms of the halfbacks.
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  Speaker 5: It does.
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  Speaker 6: And look, this is a tough start to the Rabbit
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  Speaker 6: Championship field, but let's going to Argentina for two tests.
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  Speaker 6: Is not the prospect that used to be. The Pumas
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  Speaker 6: have improved drastically. Then you've got to come all the
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  Speaker 6: way home and face the spring box and back to
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  Speaker 6: back tests. It's pretty daunting when you've got some of
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  Speaker 6: these injury setbacks.
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  Speaker 4: Indeed, it as let's hear from Scott Robinson on the
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  Speaker 4: All Blacks half back mix.
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  Speaker 3: Look, we've been sort of checking him the last year
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  Speaker 3: or so. Obviously when an NBC off the back of him,
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  Speaker 3: he came on finisher. He was incredible in the in
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  Speaker 3: the final for the for the Crusaders, and that's what
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  Speaker 3: we just need in the next potentially in the next
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  Speaker 3: few games. Something that's performed recently, especially with the great
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  Speaker 3: kicking game he's got and he's hard work and his
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  Speaker 3: speeder passes has bang on. Yeah, experience, he's had a
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  Speaker 3: few tests, been around, you know, being some World cups
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  Speaker 3: who can slot straight back and that's where he wants
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  Speaker 3: to be in the All Blacks and his every time
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  Speaker 3: we've we've had conversation with him, he said, what else
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  Speaker 3: can I do better and how can I improve to
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  Speaker 3: be back there? And you know he's done everything we
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  Speaker 3: need and we can see, well, it's great to have
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  Speaker 3: him back in the team.
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  Speaker 4: That's All Blacks coach Scott Robertson talking first about Kyle Preeston.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sure you probably gathered that, and then secondly about
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  Speaker 4: Finlay Christie. The other couple of new names. Leroy Carter
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  Speaker 4: in the extended squads or the injury traveling squad, the
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  Speaker 4: injury cover squad. He's been a player that's been It
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  Speaker 4: was mentioned during Super Rugby first fifteen season for Super
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  Speaker 4: in a Super Rugby campaign. Very impressive, lightning, quick and
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  Speaker 4: versatile as well. He played center yesterday for Bay of Plenty.
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  Speaker 4: In the NPC, he played on the wing for the Chiefs.
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  Speaker 4: He has also played a fair bit of rugby at
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  Speaker 4: halfback as well, so he's a dynamic player that can
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  Speaker 4: really slot in multiple positions in the back line. I
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  Speaker 4: quite like the look of Leroy Carter and I'm looking
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  Speaker 4: forward to seeing him potentially given opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope he gets a chance.
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  Speaker 6: I thought I would have had him in the July squads,
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  Speaker 6: particularly given the question marks around the outside back departments.
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  Speaker 6: Mark t Lea's departure for Japan. I think he leaves
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  Speaker 6: after the NPC, and I think it's probably been underestimated
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  Speaker 6: or blown over a wee bit. The All Blacks are
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  Speaker 6: struggling to replace what he brings. Leroy Carter sort of
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  Speaker 6: Eliza's size, doesn't he? He tough and resilient, very good, defensively,
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  Speaker 6: strong over the ball at the breakdown, rapids, great finisher
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  Speaker 6: and made that tre position from seven's to his rookie
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  Speaker 6: Super Rugby campaign made it look like a breeze this year.
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  Speaker 6: So great to see him and that mix. And Nanawa
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  Speaker 6: is also elevated. So you dick, you suspect Carter's probably
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  Speaker 6: down the rung a wee bit at this point, behind
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  Speaker 6: Severa Reese and Rikawanny and Ammoni Naawa and Caleb Clark's
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  Speaker 6: out for at least the next month.
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  Speaker 5: So does he get a chance, Well, I.
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  Speaker 2: Think he does.
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  Speaker 4: He'll get a chance, I'm sure at some point in
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  Speaker 4: this competition, just with the injuries and things like that.
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  Speaker 4: And I think wing is an area where you can
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  Speaker 4: quite climb quickly up the ranks. You look at Mark
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  Speaker 4: Deliga himself back in twenty twenty two, it was almost
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  Speaker 4: an eyebrown raising thing when he got called into the
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  Speaker 4: All Blacks because he looked pretty good at Super Rugby
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  Speaker 4: level but certainly wasn't in the All Blacks conversation got
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  Speaker 4: called in for the Northern Tour in end of twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty two, started against Scotland from memory or came off
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  Speaker 4: the bench, but had a real impact in that game,
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  Speaker 4: very impressive the week Africans England and then he was
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  Speaker 4: away in terms of his All Blacks career. So it's
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  Speaker 4: an area where you can climb up the ranks and
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  Speaker 4: we've seen wings come in really hot the hot hand.
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  Speaker 4: They take the opportunity and they can get there. So
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  Speaker 4: interested to see I assume he will get an opportunity
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  Speaker 4: at some point and you know that versatility probably helps
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  Speaker 4: him in terms of an All Blacks bench makeup. But
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  Speaker 4: here's Scott Robinson talking about Leroy Carter and what position
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  Speaker 4: he sees him best in loose.
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  Speaker 3: Forward, I think, oh boonfo. He was a head of
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  Speaker 3: a phone call. Actually it was. It was a nice
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  Speaker 3: start to here. It was very very emotional. Didn't say much,
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  Speaker 3: he was just taking a few moments, you know, and
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  Speaker 3: I said, look, if you chants to go and ring
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  Speaker 3: your family straight after this and enjoy the moment. Look,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: he's went the junior of the seventh path, like a
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: lot of players do this, you know, in their career
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: and then come back and transitions to fifteen's and through
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: the season. You just saw how many linebacks he makes.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: How good is yet the break down the covering tackles
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: if it's off the ball, he's tough, probably the fastest
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: in New Zealand, you know, on on record time. So
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: he's got a lot of pauses. From here, you'd be
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: welcome into the deal Blacks and keep working on that craft.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: You're gonna bring a lot of energy. Question but I
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: went first and you're yeah, currently, I think that's a
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: good question from you too, because we saw him paid
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: thirteen for the bay. You know, we don't have any
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: control around that. We thought that's ideal for us because
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: you know he can cover nine. He's paid a lot
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: of nine, cover wing and at center, and you can
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: see most teams have players like that, specially if you
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: split your bench.
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: Carter being talked about by Scott Robertson, there multiple positions
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: that he can cover a few other things to cover
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: off from the squad Liam to Vima Felo coming in
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: as injury cover for thou Lomax. That's an interesting one
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: because I would have thought would have been the nixt
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: cab off the rank. Muffalo has played a lot for
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: the Hurricanes in recent years, they have plenty of now
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: got the you know, a couple of tight heads, so
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: they're gonna have to go looking around Club Rugby to
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: try and find some tight heads for the NPC this weekend.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think what's edge muffoleo and as he can
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: play both sides of the scrum and as a noted scrummager,
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: so at test level, that's first and foremost, isn't it. Yeah,
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: a few of the points there I suffer more quite
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: a curious absence for me.
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: He's listed as unavailable.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: He hasn't played a lot of rugby this year, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: I've seen some footage today of striding out with Jordi
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: Barrett's at training and it sounds like he'll return for
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: Wellington in the coming weeks. So I'm quite surprised your
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: Blacks haven't brought him straight back in it at least
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: named him because now he can't feature in this Raby Championship.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Well they can. I'm sure they can manipulate it somehow.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: It'd be hard to drop a player out.
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, I thought he might have been in the mix,
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: but he hasn't played to the back end of Super Rugby,
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: so perhaps just getting some game time under the belt,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: which is probably why they've also gone with Josh Lord's over.
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: Say Sam Dowry, who only has played what twenty minutes
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: twenty five minutes for Canterbury over the weekend since all
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: of the year.
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: What about Arkoy?
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: And I thought Arkoy was pretty much with the Blacks
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: for the bulk of that July series. Training with him,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: we thought he might get a look in that third
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: Test when injuries struck late. But Josh Lord comes over
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: the top of him. I guess he's been there, done that.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: But is another one that's Bailey really played. So if
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: you're an Arkoy, you'd feel pretty hard done by, wouldn't
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: you would?
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Maybe? Yeah?
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: I mean Josh Lord things interesting because he has barely
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: played rugby really. He seems like he plays with two games,
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: then gets injured again, went off for an hia on
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the weekend. He did pass that, but didn't come back
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: on the park. Yeah, that's an intriguing one for me.
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: I guess they've got enough for loose Fords that can
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: sleep another lock there. But again, I'm just not sure
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: that he's once a project player. Josh Lord, He's been
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: around twenty twenty one yet to really convince at Test
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: level and would seem to do well down the pecking
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: water now, at least in the rankings that I've got
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: in my mind, but clearly not in the rankings that
• 20:25
  Speaker 4: Scott Robinson.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: And co work on.
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he had that one Test star in
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: Argentina a couple of years back, came out from injury
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: and played really well. But yeah, hasn't done a lot else.
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: A couple of other points to not offer doing a
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: fussy listed as unavailable. He's had neck surgery and Scott
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: Robinson saying today that he won't be back until the
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: next Super Rugby season, so clearly given him some time
• 20:49
  Speaker 6: to get that nick right.
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, and there were whispers that it was you know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: obviously knicks injuries at anytime, it's serious, but it could
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: be potentially a one that holded his career. So look,
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: if he's targeting next year, great to see him back
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: out of the park.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Interested.
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: So he's doing a bit of acting in his downtime
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: as well. He's in the new Jason Mamora Apple TV
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: show alongside Eric Rush and we Range is also in there,
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: and look he's not just in there for a half second,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: he's in there for a couple of minutes and that
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: show I just sawt of it online today, so star
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: studded cast absolutely is the other thing though I just
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: want to raise as well is it was interesting And
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know whether this to reading anything into this
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: or not. Scott Barrett was speaking to the country here
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: on Ens and Me a couple of weeks ago around
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: selections and he sort of mentioned that maybe a six'
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: two option could be a possibility for The All. Blacks
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: do you see them doing this at, all whether it's Against,
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: Argentina South, Africa australia at all in The Rapey.
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: Championship, YEAH i think it is something they will and
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: probably should. Try just it's something that we've. Seen it's
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: a lot more common, now isn't. It The british And
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: Irish lions went that way in The Third, test and
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: we've seen it From South africa And england and.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: Others AND.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's more important now but that
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: The ford platform and the way substitutes are used to
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: roll off the. Bench even The french In july would
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: throw on four or five forwards at, once and it
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: does and it can really can change the complexion of
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: a match that've seen the Spring box with their bomb,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: squad and with the versatility of some of The All
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: blacks loose, forwards you know potentially some of them could
• 22:26
  Speaker 6: slide out and cover the backs if. Necessary SO i
• 22:30
  Speaker 6: think it's something we will see from The All blacks
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: and probably should at at some. Point but it does
• 22:34
  Speaker 6: come with a degree of risk if you lose a pivotal,
• 22:37
  Speaker 6: back it.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Does, indeed we can assume though the rest of the
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: injured players in the squad will be fit for. Selection
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: there was an update obviously issued last week with players
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: like A boat And Barrett Scott barrett all expected to
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: be fit for that First test in Card.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Over and it's going to be a tough, tour this
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: one In, argentina isn't. It it?
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: IS i think To Mighty williams probably for the Second.
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: Test sounds like he'll be. Fits just one other. Thing
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: riccowani is officially listed as an outside, back so transition
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: does that draw a line through him.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: To don't think for Good i'm willing to leave the
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: door open. THERE i look at the midfielders that they've
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: got Then At brown can obviously play, Center Quinta pie
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: can play center as, well hasn't done a lot of it.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Recently Billy procter has been first choice during the season
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: And Tava nahai as. Well COULD i think play a.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Center so probably not in the foreseeable, future BUT i
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: wouldn't rule out perhaps a change of thinking. Again, again
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: AS i mentioned just, BEFORE i think the wings can
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: change pretty quickly In test. RUGBY i think he's still
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: got a lot to offer At test. Rugby whether it
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: is on the wing or it seem TO i don't,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: know BUT i wouldn't be willing to draw a line
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: through it just.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: Yet it does feel like his career is in an
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: interesting stage as, well though he's going To lenster next
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: year for a. Sabbatical fallen out of favor at, center
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: probably hasn't nailed his opportunities on the wing as, yet
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: hadn't played on the wing for three four years prior
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: to this, year so in a wee bit of a
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: state of flux rego interesting to see how he performs
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: and where that evolves to over the next six to twelve.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Months, indeed fascinating squad named By Scott robertson for This Rugby.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Championship the first test is on the seventeenth Of, August
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: New zealand time nine to ten kick Offf you can
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: hear it ON us.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Talk Zbig Gold sport And.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: iHeartRadio The british And Irish lions series wrapped up over
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: the weekend In, Australia australia getting back a consolation win
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: to won the final test score and that was a
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: fascinating game of rugby in so many. WAYS i don't
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: know where to, Start, liam But Australia selwidge a little
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: bit of respect out of that series and take the
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: game to the. Lines, yeah what did you make OF
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: i guess the last couple of, tests given we weren't
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: here last, WEEK.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: I think the last two performances from The wallaby show
• 25:00
  Speaker 6: they were. Underdone excuse me for that First test which
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: they were hugely underwhelming and they lacked, size the impact
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: and influence from guys Like Will, Skelton Rob. Valentini in
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: that second, Test Tom hooper was mad at the. Match
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: in the third they And Nick white not a huge
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: fan of his, necessarily but The wallabies really got under
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: The lion's skin and they were hugely competitive on the.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: WHOLE i think the aggregate score there's one point separates
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: them across that. SERIES i think That lions team was massively.
• 25:40
  Speaker 6: OVERHYPED i think The wallabies got better and The lions
• 25:47
  Speaker 6: probably got. Worse but, yeah that Third test was, bizarre
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Wasn't it was streaming down with, rain there was a
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: forty minute break for the lightning. Strikes The LIONS i
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: don't want to say they checked, out but they certainly
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: didn't seem to be anywhere near the same level they
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: were in previous weeks as.
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: Well got the impression that they'd been on the hose
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: for a few days and was so clebrating and. Realized
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and remember they had A test match to play on The.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Saturday didn't feel like a performance that they would have
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: put in if the series was won all and so
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: to give The wallabies heaps the, Credit i'll probably stop
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: a little bit short of, that just because The. Lions
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: it was a dead Rubber test match as much as
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: The test match can. Be BUT i still thought The,
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: wallabies you, know played some rugby and as you, SAY
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: i think they got better over the course of the,
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: series and clearly The lions got. Worse they landed In
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: australia beat all The super rugby sides in front of
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: them beat The Australian New, zealand SO i beat THE pacifica.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Side but The tests were a lot harder.
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: Going and you know it's easy to look back now
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: and again prefacing that with my comments THAT i don't
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: think The lions would have played like they did On
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: saturday night if the series isn't won. All but that
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: big decision right at the ends of the second match
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: changed the course of the.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: Series it, did, Absolutely and if you're A wallabyes, fan
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: you'd be you'd have claims to sit back and say they.
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: Were robbed of the.
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: Series, yeah, absolutely AND i don't believe that because it
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: wasn't just one. Decision The wallabies are. Up it was
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: it twenty three to. Five they played extremely well for
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: probably thirty thirty five minutes and then let the lines back.
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: In so, yeah that that decision is a real flip
• 27:22
  Speaker 6: of the. Coin but The wallabies blew that Second. Test but,
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: yeah the PERFORMANCES i think speak To Joe schmidt the
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: job he's. Done there's some SELECTIONS i didn't necessarily agree
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: with the cross that, series but a lot of them
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: came good and what a salvage Job joe has done
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: with that team and it's going to be an incredibly
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: tough job For Liz kiss to come in after The Rugby.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: Championship some big performances from The. Wallabies they're back three
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: played really. Well Tom wright as a superb for.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: Football, Yeah Lenny.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: AKTAU i think he had the most line breaks across the.
• 27:54
  Speaker 6: Series he was strong in the. Midfield joseph Sue LEE
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: i think still has some vulnerabilities on, defense but he's
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: a talented.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Footballer And.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Nick.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: Frost you know there's a lot made of will skelt,
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: him but he was huge in that Second, test some
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: big line out. Wins quite an underrated PRESENCE i think
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: in That wallaby's.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: Pack absolutely every WEEK i come on and SAY i
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: won't bag THE tmo Because i'm trying not So i'm
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: really trying not to do that on the podcast BECAUSE
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: i don't want to be a one trick. Pony but
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: what Was Murray shanka doing on the weekend didn't intervene
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: in the line of clean? Out Dan sheen's now in
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: facing the music At World Rugby's Disciplinary committee as a
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: result of, it then comes in for When Nick white
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: was jogging alongside A lions, player what On earth Was
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Murray shanka doing on the weekend.
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: As bizarre to miss that clean out and like you, say,
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: yes it's just baffling sort of stuff and that's what
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: leaves yeah people. Frustrated, yeah you want the game to.
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Flow you only want intervention when it's totally, necessary and
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: it's just a terrible look when THE tmo comes in
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: and the referee to mu is.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: It so.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: The good news for The wallabies is The eden part
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: tiest against The All blacks to open The Blues Low.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Cup Murray jeancus and Andre A, piarti The italian from
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: the Second test to control that match is in the,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Middle so a couple of their.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Favorites and for That test.
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: Match how do you how do you think there were
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: lines reflect on that series when it's all said and.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: Done you know there was talk abouts them joining The
• 29:34
  Speaker 6: pantheon Of Great lions teams of the.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Path how can you join a pantheon of The Great
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: lions teams when you lost your first game To argentina
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: before you even. Left they were never in the pantheon
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Of lions. Teams it was just absolute wank to seduce
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: that they were in there in the first. Place even
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: if they had won three mil over The. Wallabies you
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: lost your first game to a Good argentina, Site.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah that's, fair AND i think they.
• 29:57
  Speaker 6: WERE i wasn't overly, impressed to be, honest and there
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: were a number of pundits around that, Tour Dan bigger
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: and others who were questions the performances and. Whatnot so,
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: yeah it wasn't overly impressed by the. LINES i think
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: probably Some irish bis and some of the selections and
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: a bit of a nod to some of those players
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: not being the forces they used to. Be but, yeah
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: even even looking at guys Like Finn, russell he was.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: Superb and then his performance in that Third test sort
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: of encapsulates where The lion's nose dive.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: To, yeah they.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: Did And Bundy, ARKEY i think his days At test
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: level are probably almost, done if not. Done feels like
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: he's a fading. Force so he's had a great career
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: right from His chiefs And counties days to where he
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: is now In World cup trips and everything like. That
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: one of the best players in the world on his,
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: day BUT i think those days are sorely, numbered AND
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: i think the nucleus of That irish side as. WELL i,
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: mean we didn't See Josh funderflare at. ALL i don't
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: know what was going on, there but a quality player
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: that missed out on a lot of game time during that.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: Series just felt Like Andy ferrold didn't quite get at selections.
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: Right whether he was trying to avoid selections of questions
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: of An irish bias and then still went with that
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: in any, WAY i don't. KNOW i just felt like
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: sometimes he didn't quite get selections right throughout the root that.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: Campaign, yeah, well how does the best of The lions
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: finish with a midfield pairing Of Owen farrell And bundi a.
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: Key i'm not too sure how that. Evolves And Jack,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: MORGAN i think he was one of the lines best
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: and we didn't see enough of him. Either.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: Question did The lions still have relevance in rugby? Today
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: it just feels like a bit of a throwback to
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: thirty forty years. Ago, hey, LOOK i love the lines
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: when they COMMENT i watched every game of the, series
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: everything like, That but it just feels like it's kind
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: of a concept from the days where you didn't have
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: these teams come, down they didn't, tour there wasn't as
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: many eyes on the world game as there is now
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: and The All backs weren't playing these teams every year
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: every two. Years it feels Like british And Irish Lions
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: All star concept just to make a bit of revenue
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: every four. Years i'm not sure it's got the relevance
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: that it once did and whether it's still relevant and
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: test rapey.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: Today, well the nail on the head there is the.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: Revenue they are an absolute cash. Cow they print money
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: every four years and they will effectively prop Up australian
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: rugby this. Tour you, know you look at a ninety
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: thousand sell out at THE. Mcg The Sydney test was sold. Out,
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: yeah it wasn't great across The Super, games but what
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: do they have twenty thirty forty thousand traveling, fans the
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: tradition of it. All it is a unique, beast but
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: it does disrupt the whole test. Calendar SO i still enjoy.
• 32:41
  Speaker 6: It BUT i think you raise a valid.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Question interesting see twenty twenty nine coming to these shores
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: In New zealand and how that shakes down four years.
• 32:50
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  Speaker 4: Solutions time now for the final Four full rugby topics
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  Speaker 4: to sink our teeth into THE npc is. Underway and
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  Speaker 4: look last year there was a jusey exchange When wellington Beat.
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  Speaker 4: Canterbury we went on last, week BUT i should have
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  Speaker 4: arranged something similar because it's a shame of reds and
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  Speaker 4: blacks are. Old the men from the. Capitol great. Performance
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  Speaker 4: that stood out to. Me, liam do stand out for?
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  Speaker 5: You once that stood?
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  Speaker 2: Out it's yeah hearing Past Reuben.
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  Speaker 5: Love that was whether it was, noted wasn't?
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  Speaker 6: It he still got, wheels doesn't he maybe had some
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  Speaker 6: some Good welsh soup or what turnips rabbit?
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  Speaker 2: PIE i think there was another of the local.
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  Speaker 6: Delicacies, yeah there was a turning point in that. Match
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  Speaker 6: notable win For. Canterbury, look it was a brilliance advertisement
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  Speaker 6: for provincial rugby And New. Zealand WHAT i like about
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  Speaker 6: the N pc is it's it's really pure in the
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  Speaker 6: sense that it's not homo. Homogenized it's it's it really
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  Speaker 6: is the essence Of New zealand rugby wanting to play.
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  Speaker 6: Ball defense is optional to a, degree it's, not you,
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  Speaker 6: know so structured players are playing on instinct and man
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  Speaker 6: there are some great finishes Lemasop, wanga what a story
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  Speaker 6: scoring the winning try and the dying moments At Eden,
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  Speaker 6: park one of the two getting their first.
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  Speaker 5: Or winning their Over North.
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  Speaker 6: Harbor great win for, Them Tad Nakid, toney The Raanfrew,
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  Speaker 6: Shield otago getting up At staggeday and one of the
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  Speaker 6: biggest rugby events on The southern. Calendar so it really
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  Speaker 6: does have a special place In New zealand. Rugby the
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  Speaker 6: how you continue to fund it and where it sits
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  Speaker 6: in the in the, ECOSYSTEM i think is a question
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  Speaker 6: that's going to be answered in the near. Future but
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  Speaker 6: the style of rugby are really do love AND i
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  Speaker 6: think there is a lot of passion out there for,
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  Speaker 6: it even if that doesn't translate into bums on.
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  Speaker 4: Seats, yeah, look embrace it for what it is and
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  Speaker 4: not what you wish it would. BE i think is
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  Speaker 4: probably the. Message because what we saw over the weekend
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  Speaker 4: was highly highly entertaining from pretty much all seven of,
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  Speaker 4: games by and. Large ye there were a couple of,
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  Speaker 4: blowouts but even still they were. ENTERTAINING i just the,
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  Speaker 4: thing as you, said it's great when it's played at smaller.
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  Speaker 4: VENUES i mean The bay Plenty tasman game total and
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  Speaker 4: Domain son stroaming through the MISTER whipopi truck's doing a roaring.
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  Speaker 4: Trade that's what THE nbc should, be Not thursday night
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  Speaker 4: footy At Eden park in front of three or four thousand.
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  Speaker 4: People why are you hiring Out Eden park to do?
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  Speaker 4: That you could be played it anywhere else Around. Auckland
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  Speaker 4: and those the games that leave a sour taste in
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  Speaker 4: your mouth when you've got a cold winter's evening there's
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  Speaker 4: no one There saturday some, afternoon beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: Stuff love it more of.
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  Speaker 6: That, yeah it's a terrible, lot big barn, stadiums nobody,
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  Speaker 6: There nobody wants to see. That, yeah it just sucks
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  Speaker 6: the life out of, it doesn't. It great, spectacle great.
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  Speaker 6: Finish but, yeah all those games And wellington's done it
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  Speaker 6: well that they've EFFECTIVELY i don't. Know i'm pretty sure
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  Speaker 6: they're permanently plays part of a park And auckland's played
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  Speaker 6: In pakerager previously and mentioned about domains a great lock
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  Speaker 6: and what a statement from, them Belting tasman who have
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  Speaker 6: a stacked. Roster steamers lost the final and extra time
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  Speaker 6: last year and, yeah you could say they're made an
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  Speaker 6: early case of.
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  Speaker 5: Favoritism, yeah but they've.
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  Speaker 4: Just lost a couple of players and a couple. More you,
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  Speaker 4: Know na was not going to be, There. Toss he's
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  Speaker 4: not going to be there, Now Myffilo Leroy. Carter so
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  Speaker 4: these things can change on a die pretty. Quickly in
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  Speaker 4: THE npc topic, Too Richie wong's return hits a speed
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  Speaker 4: bump over when and where he can return for The All.
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  Speaker 4: Blacks this are from our Colleague Griga paul last week
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  Speaker 4: In The New Zealand Herald's aredu justing. Negotiations it's somewhat
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  Speaker 4: of an impass around when he'll be eligible to play
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  Speaker 4: for The All blacks again if he's to come, back
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  Speaker 4: and it sounds like parties are willing to have him
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  Speaker 4: back at some point in twenty twenty. Six what's your
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  Speaker 4: read on this and does it need to become a
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  Speaker 4: clearest system as to win players can come?
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  Speaker 6: Back it probably. Does, yeah the exemption case by case
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  Speaker 6: basis is at league is lack of, consistency isn't? It
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  Speaker 6: and it leaves it will leave some players miffed about
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  Speaker 6: why preferential treatment was given to them and not. Others
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  Speaker 6: if we deal with look look at lesterfying a nookie
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  Speaker 6: as an. Example he's come, back he had to play
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  Speaker 6: after two years In, france had to play in His
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  Speaker 6: zellen provincial rugby to be eligible for The All.
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  Speaker 5: Blacks but.
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  Speaker 6: From What Scott robertson said, today it sounds like if
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  Speaker 6: there was further, injuries there's seven protocols and he could
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  Speaker 6: select him if he really wanted. To SO i don't
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  Speaker 6: envision major issues Around Richard. WONGER i think there's a
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  Speaker 6: non public agreements around reaching seventy test caps before you
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  Speaker 6: can come back and join Your black straight away from
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  Speaker 6: a sabbatical which would have been away for three. Years
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  Speaker 6: it does seem nonsensical For muwanga to come back next
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  Speaker 6: year play provincial rugby and not be able to go
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  Speaker 6: on a two month tour Of South africa like that
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  Speaker 6: would be such a, waste Wouldn't it.
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  Speaker 4: Would be a huge Waste AND i kind of think
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  Speaker 4: that heed to the POINT i, THINK i like What
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  Speaker 4: australia has done In australia have different issues To New
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  Speaker 4: zealand in terms of player attention and recruitment and getting players.
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  Speaker 4: Back but if your next assignment is with A New
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  Speaker 4: zealand team at club, level so be at The, crusaders
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  Speaker 4: be At, canterbury THEN i think you are. Eligible if
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  Speaker 4: you've still god commitments In, japan then obviously you're not.
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  Speaker 4: ELIGIBLE i think that'll be the clearest way to do.
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  Speaker 4: It so If Richie wong completes His japan commitments and
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  Speaker 4: then he's contracted To, canterbury The crusaders And New Zealand
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  Speaker 4: rugby from mid twenty twenty, six and in theory is
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  Speaker 4: next competition is THE nbc With, canterbury then he should
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  Speaker 4: be eligible from that point as soon as he starts his.
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  Speaker 6: Contract, yeah maybe it's a different conversation if he comes
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  Speaker 6: back and he's only signing for one, Year but if
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  Speaker 6: he comes back and signs for, three that's a lengthy
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  Speaker 6: level of commitments that should be rewarded and ultimately you
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  Speaker 6: want the best players available for The All. Blacks so,
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  Speaker 6: yeah it does seem a bit backwards to make a
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  Speaker 6: guy play a whole provincial season while The All blacks
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  Speaker 6: are In South.
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  Speaker 5: Africa why would you not have?
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  Speaker 4: Him that doesn't make any sense to, me Although i'm
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  Speaker 4: Sure linwood and Christ church were quite like having rich
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  Speaker 4: And way to try out for them in the middle
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  Speaker 4: of next, year given they finish runners up in this
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  Speaker 4: year's Christ Church Club. Final topic, three on the back
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  Speaker 4: of what we saw during The lion, series do you
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  Speaker 4: fear The wallabies and The Rugby championship from An All blacks.
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  Speaker 5: Perspective more so than you used? To but probably.
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  Speaker 2: Not.
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  Speaker 6: No, look The wallabies have the ability to, challenge but
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  Speaker 6: they have limitation as. Well and there's a couple of
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  Speaker 6: very important points to note. Here Will skelton not available
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  Speaker 6: for The Rugby championship because he plays his Domestic raby
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  Speaker 6: in fronts AND i think that will be the case
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  Speaker 6: For Taniela tupo as. Well he's signed for rushing And
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  Speaker 6: tupo's extremely inconsistent but made a massive, impact particularly at scrum.
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  Speaker 6: Time he did a number On Andrew porter in That Third.
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  Speaker 6: Test so there's two massive physical forces that won't be
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  Speaker 6: available for The wallabies forward. Pack they still lack depth
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  Speaker 6: in a big. Way tomliner didn't convince it ten and
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  Speaker 6: then you're looking at guys Like Ben. Donaldson so, yeah
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  Speaker 6: they have. Threats they are vastly improved and they could
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  Speaker 6: top all the All blacks on their, day BUT i
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  Speaker 6: don't see them winning back to back tests to claim
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  Speaker 6: The Bleders.
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  Speaker 2: Low, YEAH i think it's a bridge too far for.
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  Speaker 4: Them look that building, there and as you, Mentioned lescus
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  Speaker 4: is going to come over and take over at some.
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  Speaker 4: Point the depth is the issue With australian rugby as
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  Speaker 4: it has been for a number of. Years when you
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  Speaker 4: scratch the surface and get a couple of injuries or
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  Speaker 4: players are unavailable Like Bill, skelton then they're not the
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  Speaker 4: force that maybe they were during the line. Series SO
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  Speaker 4: i think there's some promising signs. THERE i Think saulite
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  Speaker 4: looks really comfortable in the test environment now he is
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  Speaker 4: a player that is a game changer for. Them but
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  Speaker 4: if they don't Have, skeleton they don't have a couple
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  Speaker 4: of other key. Players Angus bell seems to be able to.
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  Speaker 4: FAVOR i, MEAN i know he made the twenty, threes
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  Speaker 4: but it seems to be able to favor for whatever
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  Speaker 4: reason With Joe schmidt at the. Moment so if they
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  Speaker 4: get the selection, right there are, chants but it's going
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  Speaker 4: to be fascinating to see how they go To South
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  Speaker 4: africa and whether that works out for them over, there
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  Speaker 4: because it could be a case of two steps, four
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  Speaker 4: one step back or you, know even further steps back
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  Speaker 4: if you get my.
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  Speaker 6: Drift, yeah it's that depth because the attrition rate by
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  Speaker 6: the time The All blacks And wallabies will meet will
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  Speaker 6: be through the. Roof you think After Deill black's play
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  Speaker 6: The pumas and Spring box and The wallabies do likewise
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  Speaker 6: that there'll be you, know absentees and that's going to
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  Speaker 6: have The wallabies harder than it will Deal.
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  Speaker 4: Blacks it will topic four in the final four current
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  Speaker 4: time boy FOR lac confirming he signed with The chiefs
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  Speaker 4: on a two year. Deal we touched on this in the.
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  Speaker 4: Win it was reported In may In The New. Zealand
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  Speaker 4: he all now confirmed as of this week that will
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  Speaker 4: be there twenty six twenty. Seven wants to be In
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  Speaker 4: All black played For tonga in twenty three is well
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  Speaker 4: eighteen months just over into a. Standown pretty good pickup
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  Speaker 4: for The chiefs on the basis of what we've seen
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  Speaker 4: From wanna pacifica he spoke To Collie Jason pine today
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  Speaker 4: and said that he thinks That wanna can continue to,
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  Speaker 4: bold but you just hope it's not the case of
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  Speaker 4: picking off players that now want to play for The
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  Speaker 4: All blacks rather than playing for Their pacific.
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  Speaker 6: Nations, yeah it a continues the, trend doesn't it of
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  Speaker 6: Levamor tavanawa Now Tom way for Low cherry picking the
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  Speaker 6: best standouts From wuana and.
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  Speaker 5: Them going.
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  Speaker 6: Elsewhere it is an individual. Decision this is Not New
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  Speaker 6: Zealand rugby coming in and saying we'll have You tom world.
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  Speaker 6: Flower HAS i heard him speak at a stand up
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  Speaker 6: today and he's talking about learning From All, blacks wanting
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  Speaker 6: to be in that environment and even contesting a starting
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  Speaker 6: spot is going to be much. Harder that's going to
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  Speaker 6: improve from week to. Week and that's why he's gone
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  Speaker 6: to The.
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  Speaker 2: Chiefs, YEAH i think it's fair.
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  Speaker 4: POINT i mean they've got Ad exavi going back the
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  Speaker 4: other way and the dangerous you go from being that
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  Speaker 4: big fashion a small pond to an extent because of
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  Speaker 4: the depth At Mowana. Pacifica you, know someone Like Levian
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  Speaker 4: moore stood out big time At, mauana looked out standing
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  Speaker 4: and then went to The crusaders and barely made a
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  Speaker 4: ripple over the two seasons that he's there and now
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  Speaker 4: going To. Japan so it sometimes doesn't always work. Out
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  Speaker 4: but if you're a player wanting to learn off the,
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  Speaker 4: beast then you kind of need to be in that
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  Speaker 4: pool as. Well so wishing The beast to, LUCK i
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  Speaker 4: think he's got a lot to Offer New zealand rugby
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  Speaker 4: over the next few.
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  Speaker 6: Years and you look at the it comes back to
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  Speaker 6: the point we're both making earlier about the wing. Spots
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  Speaker 6: he is a guy that will be very much in
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  Speaker 6: the frame on the next two. Years you talked about
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  Speaker 6: how that complexion can change really, quickly that wingers can
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  Speaker 6: rise through the ranks, rapidly AND i think he's a
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  Speaker 6: guy along With Jacob Rushim. Mavooki nipkins has looked really
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  Speaker 6: good in his. Comeback who's the other a tonguey towel
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  Speaker 6: before his. Injury there's a bringer maybe Hockey yeah, yeah
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  Speaker 6: settled down againy. Buyas but these are the guys that
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  Speaker 6: have out and outpace AND i think that has something
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  Speaker 6: that The All blacks are lacking on the. Edge so
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  Speaker 6: there's a Poll lawinger is there that could any any
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  Speaker 6: one of them could come through in the next few.
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  Speaker 5: Years so, YEAH i Wish.
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  Speaker 6: Current all the best and hope he gets a crack
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  Speaker 6: because The chiefs have lost a, few haven't, They Sean,
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  Speaker 6: stevenson and so, yeah there's a few openings there for.
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  Speaker 4: Him, absolutely will that about do? Us For rugby director this,
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  Speaker 4: WEEK i think we've been. POSITIVE i think it's been
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  Speaker 4: a positive.
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  Speaker 6: Discussion it's just one final thing to mention that very
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  Speaker 6: very positive. News Actually foxton for the First i'm In
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  Speaker 6: Hotophone Company Club, rugby history of any club In Hotophon
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  Speaker 6: company one the seniors and reserves this, year so the
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  Speaker 6: club and the town is absolutely. Humming AND i saw
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  Speaker 6: footage of them taking the trophy through The New, world
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  Speaker 6: down the main streets and carrying on for a few.
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  Speaker 6: Days so great scenes.
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  Speaker 2: There there's a mainstream In. Fox it's got it all,
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  Speaker 2: okay very.
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