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DIDDY DRAMA: JUDGE THREATENS TO “THROW COMBS OUT OF COURT” · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: He demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days
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Speaker 2: a week. He could be really bullied. He could also
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Speaker 2: be very charming. It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job,
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Speaker 2: it was it was a life. He took over your life.
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Speaker 3: You had to have seen Diddy's face. He literally was like,
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Speaker 3: what is even happening right now?
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Speaker 4: His jaw was on the ground.
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Speaker 1: It's the legacy of Sean Combs. Are you kidding me?
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Speaker 1: What about all the women that we're hearing from, one
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Speaker 1: after the next after the next, woman of color that
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Speaker 1: has gotten a beating from Shawn Combs. No one seems
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Speaker 1: to hear that. Could you show him the shocks of
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Speaker 1: that gash on Caste?
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Speaker 5: Such traffic busted.
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Speaker 1: Lit byway, you say, that's how you went all your cases.
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Speaker 1: You say, don't listen to that.
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Speaker 3: Look over here, black eyes bat lit, and I think
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Speaker 3: many of us watching here all feel the same way.
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Speaker 1: I mean, justice for Cassie Nancy Bombshell. Tonight, tgif D,
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Speaker 1: Thank goodness it's Friday, Diddy, because this has been an
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Speaker 1: incredible week in the courtroom. I'm talking about that multi
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Speaker 1: count federal indictment against Shawn Combs being tried right now,
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Speaker 1: United States versus Shawn Comes and the Monahan Federal Courthouse
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Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Straight out to Lauren Colins standing by at
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Speaker 1: the courthouse, Lauren, what happened today Today?
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Speaker 3: In court, we heard from the government cell phone expert,
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Speaker 3: the forensic expert who did the extractions on Cassie Venture's
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Speaker 3: cell phone. He talked about extracting a significant amount of
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Speaker 3: deleted data and why certain things would appear on the
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Speaker 3: screen in evidence as we're seeing it. So, for example,
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Speaker 3: a deleted text thread might not have certain users' names,
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Speaker 3: so we've seen blanks, we've seen duplicate names, and he
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Speaker 3: explained all of this away. After that, we heard testimony
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Speaker 3: from Jane Doe, who is victim three now. Jane Doe
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Speaker 3: described meeting Sean Combs early twenty twenty, and she met
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Speaker 3: him through a friend while they were on a girl's trip,
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Speaker 3: and she testified that this friend was once in a
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Speaker 3: relationship with Diddy, so she kind of kept her distance.
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Speaker 3: They exchanged numbers and from there they began a relationship
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Speaker 3: after her friend moved on, and.
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Speaker 4: She actually talked about the fact that.
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Speaker 3: She was in a relationship with Sean Colmes from twenty twenty,
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Speaker 3: all the way up until his arrest. Now, Jane Doe
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Speaker 3: testified that the relationship truly started off as a fairy tale.
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Speaker 3: He took her away to Turks and Caicos and then
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Speaker 3: the Bahamas, but he also offered her ten thousand dollars
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Speaker 3: after this trip. He said, you know, I know that
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Speaker 3: you haven't been able to work while you're on this trip,
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Speaker 3: so here's some money. She talked about being a content creator,
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Speaker 3: so that was her main form of income. She's also
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Speaker 3: a single mother. And from there, the government kind of
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Speaker 3: started to ask, well, which cities did he take you too?
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Speaker 3: Did he pay you money often, to which she testified,
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Speaker 3: you know, he paid me money frequently. He ended up
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Speaker 3: paying her rent at some point, and eventually, about three
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Speaker 3: or four months into their relationship, that's when he brought
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Speaker 3: up being with another man. And he said this was
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Speaker 3: a fantasy, and she said, okay, she didn't think that
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Speaker 3: he was actually serious. Well, it turns out he was serious.
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Speaker 3: She went to the bathroom, and this was after they
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Speaker 3: had already been engaging in sexual activity for twelve to
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Speaker 3: fifteen hours prior. He goes and he calls someone he
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Speaker 3: knows named Don and arranges don for that very night,
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Speaker 3: and then she describes going to a hotel room that
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Speaker 3: night in Miami, corroborated the oil, the assistant setting it up,
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Speaker 3: and then said she engaged in this act with Dawn
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Speaker 3: while Didy watched again what we've heard before, and then
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Speaker 3: after that she said it was pretty much a door
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Speaker 3: that was opened that she couldn't close. She testified telling
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Speaker 3: him and writing numerous times that she didn't want to
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Speaker 3: be with other men. She wanted to be with him,
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Speaker 3: but because he was paying her rent, she felt obligated.
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Speaker 3: She said her only form of income, because she always
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Speaker 3: had to be constantly ready for Ditty, was Ditty's money
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Speaker 3: that he was sending to her and the child support
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Speaker 3: she was getting.
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, could you tell me how the jury was reacting?
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Speaker 1: Lauren Conlin.
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Speaker 3: The defense was actually admonished today when the judge warned
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Speaker 3: them that Ditty was actually looking at the jury and
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Speaker 3: kind of nodding his head during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination
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Speaker 3: of Brianna Bongalin. Apparently he had gotten this warning before,
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Speaker 3: and the judge told the defense, if he does this again,
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Speaker 3: he will be removed moved from the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now a special guest, longtime friend and colleague
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter. Rob was Shawn Combs is PR guru for years.
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Speaker 1: He no longer works for him, Thank goodness, or I'd
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Speaker 1: be grilling you even worse. Rob Shooter, host of Naughty
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Speaker 1: but Nice podcast that's at robshooter dot substack dot com.
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Speaker 1: Author of the foreword answer, Rob, I want to talk
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Speaker 1: about what Mia has been saying on the stand all
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Speaker 1: day and for several days, the fact that she lived
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Speaker 1: in fear. You know, I believe it was you that
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Speaker 1: first told me that Shawn Combs ordered somebody to go
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Speaker 1: get him a cheesecake at three o'clock in the morning,
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Speaker 1: and they did it. They found a place that was open,
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Speaker 1: they got the cheesecake and brought it back to Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: It seems as if he was very imperious with his employees.
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Speaker 1: To the fact that Mia describes PTSD, that's what she's describing.
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Speaker 1: I've seen it in a lot of crime victims. Describe
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Speaker 1: what you witnessed.
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Speaker 2: My time working with Diddy was extraordinary, Nancy. I've never
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Speaker 2: had a job, I've never experienced anything like that again,
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Speaker 2: and I've gone to work with stars even bigger than him.
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Speaker 2: It was really gruelsome. It wasn't a job, it was
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Speaker 2: it was a life. He took over your life. He
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Speaker 2: demanded you twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
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Speaker 2: He could be really bullying. He could also be very charming,
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Speaker 2: and so I understand everything that MIA's saying. It's heartbreaking
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Speaker 2: and it's an experience that very very few, thankfully we'll
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Speaker 2: ever know.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I want to get back to these demands, because
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Speaker 1: if he could make a grown person get out of
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Speaker 1: bed at three am and traverse Manhattan to get him
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Speaker 1: a slice of cheesecake, and it had to be the
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Speaker 1: best cheesecake, it couldn't be any crap that could yet
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Speaker 1: down at the Dagstino's right, what could he make someone
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Speaker 1: like Mia do, who was already meek and mild and traumatized.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I want to hear what it was like.
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Speaker 1: You say it was a way of life. It was
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Speaker 1: your life. Why it was our lives?
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Speaker 2: Because we were young. He had picked people to work
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Speaker 2: with him that he could control. There was nobody on
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Speaker 2: his staff, including me, that was terribly experienced. It was
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Speaker 2: all about him. He carefully groomed us all, he carefully
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Speaker 2: selected us, all and if anybody came into his world
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Speaker 2: who said no, who was too experienced to move better,
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Speaker 2: they didn't. Last he was the ringmaster and we played
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Speaker 2: along in his.
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Speaker 1: Circus rob Shooter. You stated that Sean Holmes has a
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Speaker 1: very carefully choreographed personal image, and you told a story
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Speaker 1: about making the press move at a private airport. I
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Speaker 1: guess it was Teeterborough. So as they all filmed Sean
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Speaker 1: Combs pulling up, yet at first you didn't see the
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Speaker 1: private plane, and he was so angry. He actually single
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Speaker 1: handily made all the press move where they were standing
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Speaker 1: so he could re enter teterborow so when he got
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Speaker 1: out of his suv you could see the private plane
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Speaker 1: behind him.
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Speaker 2: Describe Yeah, absolutely true. I was on the tarmac. The
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Speaker 2: press was lined up waiting for him, everybody from national
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Speaker 2: shows to local press. And he drove up in his
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Speaker 2: car and he realized they were shooting this ugly airport
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Speaker 2: terminal behind him, and he wanted a shot of this
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Speaker 2: very very expensive private plane. So what he did is
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Speaker 2: he left, he restaged his entrance. We spun the press
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Speaker 2: around and we had to go down that line, Nancy
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Speaker 2: and make sure every member of the press who were
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Speaker 2: videoing deleted their original footage, so we did not leave
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Speaker 2: this to chance. It was something that he had thought of.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have thought about this, but he told me
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Speaker 2: make sure they're all deleted the footage. I don't want.
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Speaker 2: I don't want to give them the choice of deciding
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Speaker 2: which footage to use. They'll use the one that I
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Speaker 2: give them.
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Speaker 1: So he got an entire fleet of the media to
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Speaker 1: change their positions and delete video. I'm making a point.
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Speaker 1: Listen to this, Shooter.
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Speaker 6: Brian Steele shows me a birthday shout out from Comb's
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Speaker 6: caption beside every great man is a great woman. PS. Sorry,
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Speaker 6: I was acting crazy last night. Mia says Combs had
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Speaker 6: threatened her life on a phone call the night before,
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Speaker 6: and she took this as his apology. Steele asks if
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Speaker 6: she reposted the message despite the seriousness of the threat,
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Speaker 6: and Mia responds, of course, reading off her profusely thankful caption. Thanks, Poff,
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Speaker 6: love you. You've shown me the world.
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Speaker 1: So you're hearing Rob Shooter the posts that Mia is
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Speaker 1: making about a birthday wish, and then she gets cross
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Speaker 1: examined about wishing Sean Holmes's happy birthday on a post.
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Speaker 1: Now I have seen rape victims go along to get along,
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Speaker 1: whether he was in your employer forcing sex on you, husband, partner,
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Speaker 1: I'm judge, and you don't want to make waves in
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Speaker 1: the courthouse, so you put up with it and you
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Speaker 1: just keep going. But he's really tearing her up on
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Speaker 1: the stand about this shoot or what do you make
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Speaker 1: of it?
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Speaker 2: You know him? Yeah? I think this is directed by Diddy.
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Speaker 2: I think Puff is running this entire trial. He's telling
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Speaker 2: his lawyers what to do, which might be a mistake,
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Speaker 2: but his ego is very, very big and news flashy
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Speaker 2: and Nancy, it is possible to think love a monster.
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Speaker 2: A person can be a terrible person and you can
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Speaker 2: still have feelings towards them, And I think that's a
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Speaker 2: mistake here that did he is making. I think people
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Speaker 2: know the difference. And just because I post something a
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Speaker 2: birthday message, something kind towards you, does it mean you
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Speaker 2: can't also be a terrible human being?
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter. Are you surprised that Sean Combs has been
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Speaker 1: able to keep so many alleged victims quiet for so long?
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Speaker 1: We've seen multiple civil lawsuits occur after Cassie Ventura came out,
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Speaker 1: and we are asking the wrong questions we're saying, why
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Speaker 1: are you suing him for money? You're in it just
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Speaker 1: for the money, Cassie, Ventura or Mia, instead of asking
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Speaker 1: the question, why is Sean Combe's paying millions and millions
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Speaker 1: of dollars to keep these victims quiet? Why do you
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Speaker 1: think so many victims have gone unheard until now? Maybe
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Speaker 1: because of what we see happening to Mia on the stand.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think there's going to be that We've seen.
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Speaker 2: There's a long history of this money, power, fame are
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Speaker 2: all really intoxicating. If you can't bully them with your fame,
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Speaker 2: then you throw money at the problems. And I think
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Speaker 2: we have to be honest here. The tape of Cassie
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Speaker 2: changed everything. Woulce that videotape existed, Nancy. We saw what
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Speaker 2: happened when somebody tried to leave. We saw Cassie running
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Speaker 2: down a hallway, She's trying to get away from him,
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Speaker 2: and look what happened to her. That's why people didn't leave.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just the money, wasn't just the fame, wasn't
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Speaker 2: just the power, Nancy, it was the violence.
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Speaker 1: Joining me right now Entertainment, legal fear commentator, host podcast
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Speaker 1: The armand Wiggans show. Arman, we're going thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. What's your takeaway from today Friday in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom?
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Speaker 7: Thanks for asking Nancy, So for me, the biggest takeaway, honestly,
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Speaker 7: it is just the fact that he didn't love that
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Speaker 7: girl like she loved him. At the end of the day,
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Speaker 7: I think that she was looking for a relationship. She
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Speaker 7: was looking or a boyfriend. She was looking for a husband,
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Speaker 7: she was looking for a lover. She keep re in
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Speaker 7: she kept reiterating that she was doing things for her lover.
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Speaker 7: She was doing things for her partner. She was doing
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Speaker 7: things for her man. She would bathe him after they
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Speaker 7: would have these hotel nights. She would cook for him,
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Speaker 7: after they do these hotel nights. She would put on
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Speaker 7: his favorite TV shows. After she would do this hotel nights,
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Speaker 7: and she would do majority of all the work in
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Speaker 7: these hotel nights, and at the end of the night
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Speaker 7: she would finally get to have some alone time with Diddy.
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Speaker 7: I think that at the end of the day, she
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Speaker 7: wanted a relationship. She wanted a husband. He didn't want that.
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Speaker 7: He wanted a freak off partner. He wanted a sex slave,
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Speaker 7: and he wanted to get his freaky fetishes off with
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Speaker 7: her through other men.
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Speaker 1: Arman, I'm curious, what do you think was the strongest
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Speaker 1: evidence for the state this past week in the case
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Speaker 1: against strong Comes.
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Speaker 7: Right now as of the break strongest evidence so far
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Speaker 7: for me was a video audio recording. So there actually
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Speaker 7: was a video, but they played the audio of where
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Speaker 7: there was a hookup night at a at the Hotel
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Speaker 7: Nights where Diddy, Jane Doe, and one of the male
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Speaker 7: escorts was there and Jane Doe was wanting to put
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Speaker 7: on a condom and Diddy was saying, no, you've already
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Speaker 7: been taking that, d why do you want a condom now? So,
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Speaker 7: I think that was the first time we actually got
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Speaker 7: to hear some actual hotel night freak off information. And
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Speaker 7: so to hear her asking for condoms and Diddy not
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Speaker 7: wanting her to actually use the condom was very powerful
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Speaker 7: because it goes to the fact that hey, he didn't
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Speaker 7: want me to use these condoms, and I didn't use
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Speaker 7: the condoms because I just wanted to make my partner happy.
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Speaker 7: And you could hear Diddy in the back saying, just
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Speaker 7: let's get to it, let's keep it moving.
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Speaker 1: Sean Comes aka did he allegedly paid off an employee
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Speaker 1: to the tune of one hundred thousand dollars to get
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Speaker 1: that Cassie Ventura video. Let's take a look at the
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura beat down video. Now, it was speculated upon
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Speaker 1: so much in the press. Where did the video come from?
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Speaker 1: Did it come from the raid on? Did he's mansion?
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Speaker 1: Did he have it there? Where did it come from? Wow,
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Speaker 1: you wonder why he paid one hundred thousand dollars. Did
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Speaker 1: he think it would never come to light? Busted in
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Speaker 1: court sworn testimony that Shawn Holmes paid one hundred thousand
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Speaker 1: dollars to get his mits on this video. And this
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Speaker 1: video was like pulling the tiger by the tail. You
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Speaker 1: can't hold on and you can't let go. Because once
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Speaker 1: the saw this, they had to do something. The statute
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Speaker 1: of limitations had run in the local jurisdiction, so it
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Speaker 1: was up to the Feds and what were they gonna do?
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Speaker 1: Stand there with their thumb up their ear end? No,
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Speaker 1: they had to act er go. Therefore the multi count
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Speaker 1: federal indictment. What was Sean Comes's reaction typically when he
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Speaker 1: doesn't get his way, Because in court, when he was
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Speaker 1: watching Brian Steel who's a very very good trial lawyer.
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Speaker 1: It's a great defense attorney, right, I've watched him in action.
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Speaker 1: So Steele started off with Mia with the Andy and
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Speaker 1: Mayberry approach, trying to get the answers, but yet being
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Speaker 1: genial to her. He didn't want to beat up on Mia.
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Speaker 1: And you could see Sean Kin's going uh uhh, moving
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Speaker 1: around and twisting around and holding his face and all that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the dream could see him. And then suddenly
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Speaker 1: Brian Steele has a change of heart. You can imagine
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Speaker 1: if he if Diddy is driving, is steering that ship,
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Speaker 1: then he gets really mean to Meya still does so
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Speaker 1: did he not getting what he wants? Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: how angry he was when he finds out that was
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Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars right down the crapper there was
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Speaker 1: another copy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure he was absolutely furious. Let me tell
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Speaker 2: you a little bit of a secret here about Puffey.
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Speaker 2: But somebody with all the money that he has is
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Speaker 2: incredibly cheap. He never wanted to pay for anything he
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Speaker 2: didn't have to pay for. He wanted to get free clothes,
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Speaker 2: free dinners, free tickets if he went at a club's restaurants,
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Speaker 2: he just didn't want to pay for stuff, and so
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Speaker 2: for him to have to reach into his own pocket
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Speaker 2: and pay one hundred thousand dollars, which I think that
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Speaker 2: tape is incredibly cheap. That tape is going to change
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Speaker 2: his life, and so it was worth tens of millions
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Speaker 2: of dollars. For him to get it for one hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand dollar is cheap. And then to find out he
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Speaker 2: didn't get it all there was another copy. He will
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Speaker 2: have exploded.
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Speaker 1: I'm just imagining when Shawn comes finds out there's another
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Speaker 1: video floating around. Robert Crispins joining me private investigator was
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Speaker 1: with former Federal Task Force officer for the US Department
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Speaker 1: of Justice in the Miami Field Division. They're not sitting
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Speaker 1: around twiddling their thumbs. Former homicide Crimes against Children investigator.
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Speaker 1: He is now at Crispin Investigations dot com. Crispin, don't
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Speaker 1: you just hate it when you blackmail somebody to the
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Speaker 1: team of one hundred grand and there's another video floating
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Speaker 1: around ret row?
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Speaker 8: I mean, really, come on, think about it. Do you
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Speaker 8: really think that no one else was going to have
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Speaker 8: a video of dittying kicking the hell out of somebody,
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Speaker 8: especially Cassie Ventura, come on time. So here's the beauty
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Speaker 8: of all this with the government, this cast of guard
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Speaker 8: letter stuff, this King for a day, Queen for a day.
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Speaker 8: They need people to give testimony. I lure being indicted
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Speaker 8: to say what happened?
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Speaker 1: Standing by his investigative reporter Lauren Conlins. He's been in
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Speaker 1: the courtroom all day long, star off Pop Crime TV.
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Speaker 1: What a bomb, a state bomb for the defense drut
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Speaker 1: right in the middle of that clatch of lawyers one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Diddybucks paid off for bribery. Bribery which,
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Speaker 1: as Romani pointed out, is a predicate at you have
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Speaker 1: to have an underlying felony or predicate act to prove Rico,
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Speaker 1: tell me how that went over in the courtroom.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Nancy, we started off by getting a really big
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Speaker 3: interruption by a woman that works for the MTA. The
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Speaker 3: entire courtroom turned around is before Eddie Garcia, the witness,
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Speaker 3: walked in. But that was quite a moment. She was
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Speaker 3: screaming at the press, saying that the press is awful
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Speaker 3: and the press is laughing at Ditty, And you should
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Speaker 3: have seen Ditty's face as well as everyone in the courtroom.
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Speaker 4: We were all in shock.
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Speaker 3: But back to Eddie Garcia, I mean, this testimony was
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Speaker 3: incredibly important to this case, as you know. He testified
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Speaker 3: that he received multiple calls from Christina Porum, Ditty's assistant
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Speaker 3: before she eventually passed the phone over to Sean Colmes himself.
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Speaker 3: Eddie Garcia described talking to him saying, you know, look,
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Speaker 3: I already told your assistant here, but I don't have
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Speaker 3: any clearance to obtain this video that you want me
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Speaker 3: to obtain.
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Speaker 4: I cannot go in this room. Only my boss can
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Speaker 4: do that.
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Speaker 3: And he described did He kind of just buttering him up, saying,
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Speaker 3: you know, I know you can do it, Eddie, I
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Speaker 3: believe in.
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Speaker 4: You type of thing.
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Speaker 3: And he also described Didty as being very nervous seeming
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Speaker 3: on the phone saying, look, this could destroy my reputation
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Speaker 3: if it gets out. Now he said, okay, you know,
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Speaker 3: I'll talk to my boss, et cetera. And this was
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Speaker 3: actually after receiving a call from Diddy and Christina on
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Speaker 3: his cell phone. They started off by calling him at
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Speaker 3: the general security desk. They somehow got his cell phone,
21:12
Speaker 3: which he said did make him a little bit nervous,
21:14
Speaker 3: and he said that, you know, he talked to his
21:18
Speaker 3: boss and he said, look, this is what's going on.
21:20
Speaker 4: They want this.
21:20
Speaker 3: Video, and his boss said, okay, tell him fifty thousand dollars.
21:24
Speaker 3: They make this meeting happen where Diddy tells him a
21:27
Speaker 3: meeting place. He goes and gets this black USB from
21:32
Speaker 3: his boss at the Intercontinental, and he goes and he
21:35
Speaker 3: meets with Diddy, and he describes being taken up to
21:38
Speaker 3: this room by one of Ditty's security guards. He meets
21:41
Speaker 3: with Christina Korum and then eventually Diddy, and he says
21:45
Speaker 3: that after some back and forth, did he requested the
21:48
Speaker 3: IDs of Eddie Garcia and his boss and another gentleman.
21:52
Speaker 3: And one of the first testimonies we heard, I think
21:55
Speaker 3: it actually was the first one was Israel Flores, who
21:58
Speaker 3: also was on duty day. But Eddie Garcia said, I
22:02
Speaker 3: don't think that Israel Flores is going to go for this.
22:04
Speaker 3: So they got the idea of somebody else and they
22:07
Speaker 3: texted these to him.
22:09
Speaker 4: He went in another room, came back, got an NDA.
22:12
Speaker 3: Eddie Garcia had to sign this this NDA, and then
22:15
Speaker 3: eventually did He came back with a brown bag of
22:18
Speaker 3: money and a money counter and he did not get
22:22
Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars. He got one hundred thousand dollars. And
22:25
Speaker 3: he also said that about two weeks later it was easter.
22:28
Speaker 3: Did he called him again to check in, saying, Eddie,
22:31
Speaker 3: my angel, you know, how are you have you heard
22:33
Speaker 3: anything or anybody mentioned this video at all?
22:36
Speaker 4: And he said no, and that was that.
22:44
Speaker 1: Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Could you tell me what
22:52
Speaker 1: this reaction in the courtroom when it came out from
22:57
Speaker 1: not one but two witnesses that come had bribed one
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to get that video.
23:06
Speaker 3: I'd say today the jury is much more reserved than
23:09
Speaker 3: they were while listening to Mia. I mean, this is
23:13
Speaker 3: important testimony, so they are listening intently. I would say
23:17
Speaker 3: their heads kind of go back and forth between the
23:19
Speaker 3: lawyer and the witness, you know appropriately, and they look
23:24
Speaker 3: at the documents that they're reading. They we saw multiple
23:28
Speaker 3: times the NDA on the screen and these jurors they
23:32
Speaker 3: were reading it.
23:32
Speaker 4: They wanted to catch every word here.
23:35
Speaker 1: You know, I'm very curious to doctor Bethany Marshall joining
23:38
Speaker 1: us psychoanalyst out of la and author, doctor Bethany to
23:45
Speaker 1: hear what she's saying. What Lauren Colin is stating to
23:49
Speaker 1: finally be hit with reality that you've been uncovered in
23:55
Speaker 1: a bribe. And what's so important about the bribe not
23:59
Speaker 1: just bribery on it own, but it serves as a
24:02
Speaker 1: required underlying felony to show Rico. And you know Sean
24:09
Speaker 1: Combs knows that, and it's just pouring from the witness stand.
24:15
Speaker 9: Well, you know, he can beat down Cassie Ventura, but
24:18
Speaker 9: he can't beat down the prosecution. He cannot beat down
24:21
Speaker 9: the fence. And this is the telling moment for him.
24:24
Speaker 9: I wish I had like a monitor to rate his
24:29
Speaker 9: to measure his perspiration rate, his heart rate, to see
24:33
Speaker 9: what he's really going through. I bet he's flooded right now.
24:36
Speaker 9: I bet he's enraged. Like Rob Shooter talked about the
24:39
Speaker 9: veins bulging out, he is probably enraged. He doesn't feel guilty,
24:44
Speaker 9: he doesn't feel worried, Nancy. He is mad and he's
24:49
Speaker 9: not going to be able to get away with this
24:52
Speaker 9: once he's incarcerated. He's going to have plenty of incidents
24:55
Speaker 9: when he's called on bad behavior and there's nothing he's
24:59
Speaker 9: going to be able to do about it. You can't
25:01
Speaker 9: buy your way out of it once you're incarcerated. And
25:04
Speaker 9: this interaction about the one hundred thousand dollars bribe. You know,
25:09
Speaker 9: this is just one iteration of many incidentss where he's
25:14
Speaker 9: bought people off.
25:17
Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
25:19
Speaker 1: what we know now, it has been a long day
25:22
Speaker 1: in the courtroom. Straight out to Harmonia of Rodriguez. She
25:26
Speaker 1: is the chief US reporter with dailymail dot com podcast
25:31
Speaker 1: titled The Trial of Ditty, in which she starts her
25:35
Speaker 1: money and thank you for being with us. First thing
25:38
Speaker 1: this morning, we saw a videographer expert on the stand.
25:43
Speaker 1: What was the point right today?
25:47
Speaker 10: First thing in the morning, a video expert, his name
25:49
Speaker 10: is Frank Piazza, took the stand for the prosecution and
25:52
Speaker 10: he said he analyzed cell phone footage, surveillance footage and
25:56
Speaker 10: also sex videos. On the stand, he's based giving these
26:01
Speaker 10: videos legitimacy because as we know Diddy's attorneys, particularly with
26:06
Speaker 10: the La Assault twenty sixteen video, they have suggested and
26:10
Speaker 10: put the idea out there that these videos have been
26:12
Speaker 10: edited by CNN, they have been sped up. So this
26:16
Speaker 10: expert was basically there to tell the jury this videos
26:18
Speaker 10: are legitimate, they have not been messed with and you
26:22
Speaker 10: should trust them essentially, you.
26:24
Speaker 1: Know from the get go straight out to Greg Morse,
26:29
Speaker 1: joining US veteran criminal defense attorney. He is the lead
26:33
Speaker 1: partner at Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon.
26:38
Speaker 1: Greg Morse, I believe there was a time that you
26:41
Speaker 1: suggested that the freak Off videos were a myth, that
26:46
Speaker 1: they were lore, that they didn't exist. Well, buckle your
26:50
Speaker 1: seat belt because this expert on the stand that Harmonia
26:54
Speaker 1: just described is laying the foundation. What does that mean?
27:00
Speaker 1: Whatever you bring in a video, an audio recording, really
27:03
Speaker 1: any piece of physical evidence at allbeit drugs or a
27:07
Speaker 1: picture or an article of clothing, you have to lay
27:11
Speaker 1: the foundation. I can't just go in and go hey, judge,
27:13
Speaker 1: can I bring in these notes? No, you have to say.
27:16
Speaker 1: You have to have a witness under oath to say
27:19
Speaker 1: what is the object? What is the exhibit? Where did
27:23
Speaker 1: it come from? What's the chain of custody? I haven't
27:27
Speaker 1: been leaving it out on Third Avenue in downtown Manhattan
27:30
Speaker 1: where anybody could change it. You've got to show that
27:33
Speaker 1: it has been tampered with and the chain of custody,
27:35
Speaker 1: who's held it, who's been in charge of it, is complete.
27:39
Speaker 1: There's not a break in the chain and what it
27:43
Speaker 1: purports to be that gives the other side a chance
27:47
Speaker 1: to object on any of those grounds. So it's happening, Morse.
27:51
Speaker 1: This is the beginning of the admission into evidence of
27:56
Speaker 1: the freak off tapes, which you at one time said
27:59
Speaker 1: was just a miss. They didn't really exist, as if
28:02
Speaker 1: it didn't happen, Yes you did.
28:04
Speaker 5: Well, okay, they can introduce the free call videos. Again,
28:07
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean sex trafficking and Rico happened here and
28:10
Speaker 5: testimony yesterday shows that from victim number two, So they
28:16
Speaker 5: can introduce these videos. A lot of people want to
28:19
Speaker 5: keep their sex life private. Doctors, lawyers, famous people. These
28:24
Speaker 5: things are not doesn't move the needle to sex trafficking yet,
28:28
Speaker 5: So they can introduce all the videos they want. But
28:31
Speaker 5: their core of their indictment is centered around the domestic
28:35
Speaker 5: abuse video where miss Ventur is being beaten in that
28:39
Speaker 5: hotel lobby or hallway by P Diddy. But so the
28:44
Speaker 5: freak call videos are going to come in. When are
28:45
Speaker 5: we're going to hear about young people? Whenever we're going
28:47
Speaker 5: to hear about drugged people.
28:49
Speaker 1: I know what you're doing. I know what you're doing.
28:52
Speaker 1: First of all, you said, I don't know if these
28:55
Speaker 1: freecalls really happened, and if they did happen, they're not
28:58
Speaker 1: a video. Now we've heard testimony about the free coughs,
29:03
Speaker 1: and we're laying the foundation right now. The state is
29:06
Speaker 1: to introduce those freak of videos. Didn't you just hear
29:10
Speaker 1: Harmonia Rodriguez say this expert says he is an expert
29:13
Speaker 1: in is going to address cell phone videos, surveillance videos,
29:18
Speaker 1: that's the Intercontinental beat down, and sex tapes. What other
29:23
Speaker 1: sex tape? It's got to be the freak coughs. They're
29:26
Speaker 1: coming in to evidence and from what I understand, straight
29:31
Speaker 1: out to Sidney Summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter
29:35
Speaker 1: on the case from the beginning, like Harmonia, Sidney, these
29:39
Speaker 1: are not all consenting adults in engaging in an orgy
29:45
Speaker 1: or group sex. I guess the new term would be polyamorous.
29:49
Speaker 1: That's not what the state is alleging, Sydney.
29:53
Speaker 11: What we know, Nancy. They're alleging that these women or
29:57
Speaker 11: men or all participants who may or may not have
30:03
Speaker 11: been adults. We've seen many minor allegations come out in lawsuits,
30:08
Speaker 11: but SDNY is not specifically arguing that COM's targeted miners anyways,
30:15
Speaker 11: The state, the government is claiming that these victims were
30:19
Speaker 11: coerced in one way, shape or another, whether that was
30:23
Speaker 11: by financial control, blackmail, the threat or follow through of
30:29
Speaker 11: physical violence. Holmes used cowardon to get what he wanted
30:35
Speaker 11: to get, these sex parties, these freak offs. This was
30:40
Speaker 11: not something that somebody wanted and actively was interested in doing.
30:44
Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Morse, I don't know, are you deaf,
30:49
Speaker 1: dumb and blind? Didn't you hear the testimony that when
30:54
Speaker 1: Cassie Venturro was getting beaten in the hallway of the
30:56
Speaker 1: Intercontinental and dragged back, it was dragged back to a
31:00
Speaker 1: room where she was being coerced into having sex with
31:03
Speaker 1: a sex worker, and she was trying to run away.
31:06
Speaker 5: You're making up testimony. You're making up testimony. All you're
31:10
Speaker 5: doing is making up testimony. I I'm right, That's what
31:13
Speaker 5: I am. Because so far the prosecution hasn't produced any
31:17
Speaker 5: testimony that says victim number one or victim number two
31:21
Speaker 5: were coerced or forced or through fraud. This is you know,
31:26
Speaker 5: people made choices in this situation from their own mouth.
31:30
Speaker 5: Miss Ventura testified from her own mouth. Yeah, I didn't
31:34
Speaker 5: always like the freak offs. But I did them. You
31:36
Speaker 5: had another witness, Okay, Miss Ventura paid me for the
31:41
Speaker 5: freak off. Again, things are being shoved in under a
31:45
Speaker 5: criminal indictment to things that people do. We may look
31:49
Speaker 5: at it and say, I would never do that, I
31:50
Speaker 5: would never.
31:51
Speaker 10: Want to be involved in that.
31:52
Speaker 1: But the edge, Sidney sum are joining us from crime stories, Sydney.
31:57
Speaker 1: Isn't it true? They cast even to your test to
32:00
Speaker 1: find that she was being dragged back to the room
32:04
Speaker 1: and what was happening in the room number one and
32:07
Speaker 1: number two? Isn't it true When the security guard who
32:11
Speaker 1: we see in the video went back to the room,
32:13
Speaker 1: he sees another guy in there. That's the sex worker.
32:17
Speaker 11: That's correct, Nancy. So that's what we heard from Israel,
32:20
Speaker 11: Flores and Caafy about that situation. Mores claimed that there
32:24
Speaker 11: was another man in the room and he didn't make
32:27
Speaker 11: any note of that man being in the room because
32:30
Speaker 11: he was not directly involved in Sean Combe's and Cathy's altercation,
32:35
Speaker 11: so he left that out of his incident reports about
32:38
Speaker 11: the situation because he was irrelevant at the time. But
32:42
Speaker 11: now coming back to testimony, combined with what Cathy Ventura
32:47
Speaker 11: said on the stand. That becomes incredibly important because it
32:51
Speaker 11: backs up the fact that she said she was running
32:53
Speaker 11: away from a free.
32:54
Speaker 1: Boby Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. So, Morris, do you
33:08
Speaker 1: think Sidney Sumner she doesn't have a dog in the fight,
33:11
Speaker 1: no skin in the game. You think she's lying so to.
33:15
Speaker 5: Gives inconsistent statements. There's a conflict in the evidence, clearly
33:19
Speaker 5: because she said it was consensual many times, and when
33:22
Speaker 5: the jury is charged at the end of it still
33:25
Speaker 5: told Nancy. You know they're going to be told what
33:28
Speaker 5: reasonable doubt is conflict in the evidence?
33:31
Speaker 1: Yes, I know that, but I also know's testimony. You
33:34
Speaker 1: know what pat is mine. I can't take it anymore. Well.
33:40
Speaker 1: Seawan comes, his family prepares their documentary to air after
33:46
Speaker 1: the verdict, and his enablers prepare his comeback tour when
33:51
Speaker 1: he is found not guilty according to them, not according
33:55
Speaker 1: to me. A lot of people have been did he
34:00
Speaker 1: THI joining me is a special guest's armand Wiggins Entertainment
34:05
Speaker 1: legal affairs commentator hosts a podcast, The armand Wiggins Show,
34:10
Speaker 1: And I want you to see what happened to him
34:12
Speaker 1: outside the courthouse.
34:15
Speaker 6: Oh okay, not down that.
34:21
Speaker 1: This is crazy. Okay, that's from our friends at TMZ
34:28
Speaker 1: Harvey eleven. You know, armand Wiggins. Please don't like because
34:33
Speaker 1: you never know when somebody comes up to you on
34:35
Speaker 1: the street starts screaming at you, whether they are high
34:39
Speaker 1: on meth, whether they have a gun. So you know
34:42
Speaker 1: what next time, please just don't engage, don't be the hero,
34:46
Speaker 1: just say thank you and walk away. But yet you
34:50
Speaker 1: engaged armand Wiggins. What was she screaming?
34:56
Speaker 7: Honestly, she just was trying to go viral. She was screaming,
34:59
Speaker 7: let's go via. She was saying a bunch of flagrant
35:02
Speaker 7: obscenities to me, and I think it was just because
35:05
Speaker 7: she saw me going live. This court, this case has
35:09
Speaker 7: has become a zoo and a breeding ground for all
35:11
Speaker 7: walks of life, and people are just coming. They're trying
35:14
Speaker 7: to get their piece of the moment, their piece of
35:16
Speaker 7: the viral moment, and just shouting out and making stuff up.
35:19
Speaker 7: So there was a woman that got put out of
35:21
Speaker 7: the courtroom. This woman was heckling. So it was actually
35:24
Speaker 7: I didn't even know who this woman was. She just
35:26
Speaker 7: saw me on live camera. She figured, okay, this is
35:29
Speaker 7: a content creator. He goes viral firs Diddy News and
35:31
Speaker 7: let me go and trash him in his live feed
35:35
Speaker 7: and hopefully I'll make the news.
35:37
Speaker 1: A lot of people are well, they've been ditified, and
35:41
Speaker 1: without knowing any of the evidence, or ignoring the little
35:45
Speaker 1: bit of evidence they do know, they're convinced the Shaw
35:49
Speaker 1: Comes is innocent. You know, I got into it with
35:52
Speaker 1: Ray j again, but I want you to hear you
35:55
Speaker 1: mentioned a woman that got dragged out of court by
35:58
Speaker 1: armed guards. Well, listen to her, Diddy.
36:03
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks this as a joke, laughing at black man
36:06
Speaker 3: legacy being destroyed.
36:08
Speaker 7: Everyone has been laughing.
36:10
Speaker 1: I don't care if it sounded funny.
36:12
Speaker 11: It's not funny.
36:14
Speaker 1: No, it's not funny for women to get beaten, raped, drugged,
36:22
Speaker 1: dragged over and over and over. And it's not just
36:26
Speaker 1: one woman. It's not just Cass even Tira. It's one
36:30
Speaker 1: after the next, after the next. That was from our
36:33
Speaker 1: friends at BBC on TikTok. Back to you, Arman Wiggins
36:37
Speaker 1: who was assaulted outside of the courthouse. I just heard
36:42
Speaker 1: her talking about the legacy of Sean Comes and wrapping
36:49
Speaker 1: it into the legacy of black men that they should
36:53
Speaker 1: not be wrongfully attacked. What about black women? What about them?
37:01
Speaker 1: Do they not matter in the black legacy? What about them?
37:08
Speaker 1: What about all the women that we're hearing from, What
37:12
Speaker 1: about Capricorn Clark? What about one after the next after
37:17
Speaker 1: the next woman of color that has gotten a beating
37:23
Speaker 1: from Sean Combs? And do you know how close it
37:29
Speaker 1: was for this woman hanging off a balcony by high
37:36
Speaker 1: on something Shawn Combs? But yet no one seems to
37:41
Speaker 1: hear that. What about these women at the legacy of
37:45
Speaker 1: Seawan Combs? Are you kidding me? It sounds like exactly
37:50
Speaker 1: what ray J and I were arguing about on TMZ.
37:53
Speaker 1: You're saying the same thing, He's not crazy.
37:55
Speaker 7: Well, you know, ray J was mentioned in the court
38:00
Speaker 7: documents Cassie's drug dealer too yesterday, so there might be
38:04
Speaker 7: some affiliation there. But you know, I talked to ray J.
38:06
Speaker 7: Raj said they had nothing to do with him, and
38:08
Speaker 7: he's not sure why Diddy's team is mentioning him. I
38:10
Speaker 7: don't know what that relationship is. But in regards to
38:14
Speaker 7: the women, I think that the prosecution is doing a
38:16
Speaker 7: great job because one thing that we cannot get around
38:19
Speaker 7: is whenever they played that video and when they got
38:22
Speaker 7: into that forensic audio and video, and you saw Cassie
38:25
Speaker 7: being yoked up and dragged. I don't care what you're
38:28
Speaker 7: talking about as far as Diddy's legacy. You have a heart,
38:31
Speaker 7: you have an emotion, and you feel every blow, every kick,
38:35
Speaker 7: and so I think that everybody in that room, man, woman, child,
38:38
Speaker 7: they felt that. And there's no way that he's getting
38:41
Speaker 7: around that. And the prosecution make sure every day they
38:45
Speaker 7: played that video just in case you may have forgotten
38:47
Speaker 7: what we're really here for.
38:51
Speaker 1: Philip Debay is joining me veteran trial lawyer out of
38:54
Speaker 1: the LA jurisdiction. Debay, we're saying a whole another animal
39:02
Speaker 1: right now. We've heard about beatings and draggings and yanking
39:07
Speaker 1: people by their hair and kicking them, and that's something
39:11
Speaker 1: that a lot of people see, whether it's in the movies,
39:16
Speaker 1: whether they've seen it in real life. But dangling someone
39:19
Speaker 1: off a seventeenth floor balcony, that's a whole nother thing
39:26
Speaker 1: that really can't be made.
39:29
Speaker 12: Up, No, of course not. But how I would play
39:34
Speaker 12: it if I were his counsel is, like you said earlier,
39:38
Speaker 12: is it real or is it just real testimony? Because
39:41
Speaker 12: if you remember, it came out that she was hooked
39:44
Speaker 12: on ketamine and all kinds of other drugs that are
39:47
Speaker 12: various types of anesthetics that put you in a trance
39:50
Speaker 12: like state, almost in a twilight state. So who really
39:53
Speaker 12: knows what, if anything, she accurately members and it is not.
39:58
Speaker 1: See, Cassie, we're doing drugs. Where do you think they
40:01
Speaker 1: got those drugs?
40:02
Speaker 12: Debate, Let's give them that, let's pretend, let's really pretend
40:07
Speaker 12: he was applying them with dope. It is not his
40:10
Speaker 12: mo to be defenestrating people. It's just simply not the case.
40:14
Speaker 12: But I think for him better yet, is that just
40:19
Speaker 12: because he is in a respondiat superior mob boss, he
40:25
Speaker 12: can be acting in his individual maniacal capacity unmedicated that
40:30
Speaker 12: does not fall under RICO. It falls under state crimes,
40:34
Speaker 12: and the statutes of limitation have run. So what the
40:37
Speaker 12: Feds are doing is they're using RICO as an end
40:40
Speaker 12: run around the state statutal limitations that local DA's blue.
40:45
Speaker 1: You know, the more the defense objects to any particular
40:49
Speaker 1: line of questioning, the more sensitive it is. Right, the
40:54
Speaker 1: more you scream at the dentist office is because that's
40:56
Speaker 1: the more it hurts right there on that particular tooth
41:00
Speaker 1: and they went after this witness tooth and nail to
41:05
Speaker 1: Lauren Klan. There was quite quite a cross examination of
41:09
Speaker 1: her on the stand.
41:10
Speaker 3: What happened during Nicole Westmoreland's cross examination of Rihanna Bongolan.
41:16
Speaker 3: She also got her to say that after a week
41:19
Speaker 3: after the alleged balcony incident, Rihanna was going to private
41:23
Speaker 3: parties with Sean Colmes and she was actually texting back
41:27
Speaker 3: and forth with Passy a few days later about having
41:30
Speaker 3: a sleepover. So Wes Morland said to her, you know,
41:34
Speaker 3: this horrible thing happened to you, and a week later
41:36
Speaker 3: you're willing.
41:37
Speaker 4: To go back and have a sleepover.
41:39
Speaker 3: And Bongolan just said, I guess so, And there was
41:43
Speaker 3: some tense moments.
41:44
Speaker 4: Going back and forth.
41:46
Speaker 3: Because of her original civil suit, she did fire her attorney,
41:52
Speaker 3: Tyrone Blackburn.
41:53
Speaker 4: He came up a number of times.
41:54
Speaker 3: Today because she said that he kind of misinterpreted what
41:58
Speaker 3: she said and alleged some kind of sexual assault happened
42:02
Speaker 3: or did he grope her when lifting her up as
42:05
Speaker 3: he allegedly dangled her.
42:07
Speaker 4: And Wes Moreland said.
42:09
Speaker 3: Well, you know you fired Blackburn, but you still perpetuated
42:14
Speaker 3: this lie. So to speak with your other attorneys in
42:18
Speaker 3: that lawsuit and your new updated lawsuit as well, did
42:20
Speaker 3: you not, And you know, she kind of said, well,
42:22
Speaker 3: I didn't write all of that in the new lawsuit.
42:25
Speaker 4: My attorneys did.
42:26
Speaker 3: So it was just a lot of back and forth
42:29
Speaker 3: about that and very tense. I'm not going to say
42:32
Speaker 3: it was hostile, but it was uncomfortable and it was aggressive.
42:37
Speaker 1: And now, wait, remember an American hero, officer Helen Smith,
42:41
Speaker 1: North Carolina Department Public Safety, passed away in the line
42:45
Speaker 1: of duty, survived by grieving husband Tony and children Andrew
42:52
Speaker 1: and Samantha sentenced to life without their mother. American here
43:01
Speaker 1: correctional Officer Helen Smith. Thank you to our guests for
43:05
Speaker 1: being with us, but especially to you from being with
43:08
Speaker 1: us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace signing off, I'll
43:11
Speaker 1: see you tomorrow night six and nine o'clock sharp Eastern end.
43:14
Speaker 1: Until then, good night, ri