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Bonus Episode - The Best Worst Kids Screen Ever: Dispatches from San Diego · Kids Media Club Podcast

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  Foreigns
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  here.
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  This
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  is
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  a
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  bonus
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  episode
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  of
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  the
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  Kids
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  Media
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  Club
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  podcast.
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  When
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  Emily
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  and
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  I
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  were
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  in
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  Kids
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  Screen
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  at
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  San
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  Diego,
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  we
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  had
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  a
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  chance
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  to
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  sit
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  down
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  with
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  our
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  friend
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  Eric
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  Corderon
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  to
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  chat
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  about
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  the.
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  About
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  Kids
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  Screen
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  as
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  a
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  whole
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  and
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  share
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  our
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  impressions
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  on
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  the
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  event
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  and
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  the
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  industry
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  in
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  general.
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  Was
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  that
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  the
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  best
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  worst
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  Kids
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  Screen
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  ever
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  could
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  be?
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  Maybe.
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  Maybe
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  not.
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  Well,
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  I
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  am
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  here
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  with
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  two
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  thirds
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  of
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  the
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  Kids
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  Media
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  Club
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  podcast.
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  I'm
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  with
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  Emily
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  Horgan
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  and
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  Andy
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  Williams,
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  and
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  we're
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  going
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  to
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  talk
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  about
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  it.
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  Yeah.
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  Welcome
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  to
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  a
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  special
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  Kids
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  Media
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  Club
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  podcast
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  episode
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  with
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  Eric
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  Calderon
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  of
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  Surviving
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  Animation.
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  It's
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  fun
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  to
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  get
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  together.
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  Yeah.
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  Good
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  to
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  get
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  together,
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  guys.
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  I
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  mean,
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  we
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  listen
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  to
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  each
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  other
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  a
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  lot,
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  see
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  each
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  other
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  a
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  lot.
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  So
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  to
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  see
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  each
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  other
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  in
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  person
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  is,
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  like,
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  surreal
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  and
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  cool.
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  Awesome.
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  We
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  shut
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  down
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  the
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  bar
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  one
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  night,
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  which
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  is
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  great.
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  Yeah.
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  You
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  are
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  a
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  very
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  close
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  virtual
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  colleague.
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  It's
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  so
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  nice
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  to
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  have
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  you.
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  Legend.
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  Physical
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  guys.
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  Let's
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  hug
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  it
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  out.
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  Hug
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  it
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  out.
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  Hug
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  it
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  out.
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  Yeah.
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  Right?
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  Bring
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  it
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  in.
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  Bring
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  it
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  in.
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  And
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  that's
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  actually
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  a
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  great
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  way
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  to
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  start
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  it.
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  I
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  think
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  the
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  reason
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  I
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  think
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  this
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  is
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  the
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  best
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  worst
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  Kids
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  Screen
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  ever.
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  Yeah.
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  I
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  just
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  feel
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  like
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  this
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  was
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  the
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  year
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  everyone
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  got
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  a
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  lot
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  closer.
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  Yes.
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  Yeah.
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  You
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  know,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  the
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  people
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  we've
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  been
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  working
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  with
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  for
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  years,
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  a
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  lot
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  of
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  the
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  contacts
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  we've
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  been
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  buying
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  and
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  selling
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  with,
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  it
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  just
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  seemed
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  a
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  little
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  less
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  mercenary
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  than
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  prior
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  years.
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  It's
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  not
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  like
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  the
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  hard
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  sell
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  or,
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  please
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  hire
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  me.
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  It's
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  kind
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  of
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  everyone
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  going,
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  man,
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  are
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  you
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  okay?
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  What
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  are
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  you
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  doing?
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  How
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  are
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  you
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  pivoting?
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  And
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  I
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  felt
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  that
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  closeness
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  with
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  everyone.
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  Yeah.
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  People
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  are
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  saying
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  the
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  attendee
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  was
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  smaller
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  than
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  ever.
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  I'm
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  like,
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  yeah,
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  okay.
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  But
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  is
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  it
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  more
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  distilled
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  than
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  ever
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  as
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  well?
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  Right.
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  Like,
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  it
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  was,
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  like,
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  a
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  lot
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  less
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  volumes
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  and
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  a
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  lot
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  more
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  maybe
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  quality,
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  I
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  would
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  say,
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  in
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  terms
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  of
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  the
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  conversations
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  and
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  stuff
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  that
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  I
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  was
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  having.
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  Yeah,
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  absolutely.
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  I
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  kind
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  of
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  felt
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  that
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  last
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  year,
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  people
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  were
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  still
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  kind
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  of
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  reeling
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  from
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  a
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  lot
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  of
• 2:08
  the
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  changes
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  the
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  industry
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  had
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  gone
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  through,
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  and
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  this
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  year
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  they
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  were
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  able
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  to
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  kind
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  of
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  take
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  stock
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  and.
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  And
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  it
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  felt
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  like
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  it
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  was
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  pragmatic
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  and
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  positive
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  and
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  a
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  bit
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  more
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  focused,
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  even
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  though
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  it
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  wasn't.
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  No
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  one
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  was
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  under
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  any
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  illusions
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  that
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  things
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  were
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  fixed,
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  but
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  they
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  were
• 2:25
  kind
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  of
• 2:26
  motivated
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  to
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  find
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  a
• 2:27
  solution
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  for
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  the
• 2:27
  problem.
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  So
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  I
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  think
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  that's
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  my
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  impression.
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  I'm
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  with
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  you.
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  And
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  I
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  also
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  felt
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  that
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  there
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  was
• 2:32
  kind
• 2:32
  of
• 2:32
  this
• 2:33
  push
• 2:33
  towards
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  the
• 2:34
  middle.
• 2:34
  You
• 2:34
  know,
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  I
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  think
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  a
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  lot
• 2:35
  of
• 2:35
  times
• 2:35
  when
• 2:35
  you're
• 2:36
  at
• 2:36
  these
• 2:36
  markets,
• 2:36
  there's
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  the
• 2:37
  high
• 2:37
  end
• 2:38
  executives,
• 2:38
  the
• 2:38
  big
• 2:39
  buyers
• 2:39
  who
• 2:39
  feel
• 2:39
  like
• 2:39
  everyone's
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  running
• 2:40
  after.
• 2:41
  They're
• 2:41
  kind
• 2:41
  of
• 2:41
  like
• 2:42
  sitting
• 2:42
  on
• 2:42
  their
• 2:42
  high
• 2:42
  horse
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  saying
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  I'm
• 2:43
  going
• 2:43
  to
• 2:43
  buy
• 2:43
  this,
• 2:43
  buy
• 2:44
  that.
• 2:44
  And
• 2:44
  then
• 2:45
  there's
• 2:45
  like
• 2:45
  so
• 2:45
  many
• 2:45
  horses.
• 2:46
  So
• 2:46
  many
• 2:46
  horses,
• 2:46
  so
• 2:47
  many
• 2:47
  horses.
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  And
• 2:49
  then
• 2:49
  there's
• 2:49
  like
• 2:50
  kind
• 2:50
  of
• 2:50
  the
• 2:50
  entry
• 2:51
  level
• 2:51
  people
• 2:52
  who
• 2:52
  come
• 2:52
  in
• 2:52
  like
• 2:52
  really
• 2:53
  desperate
• 2:53
  and
• 2:54
  they're
• 2:54
  like,
• 2:54
  this
• 2:54
  is
• 2:54
  my
• 2:55
  kids
• 2:55
  screen,
• 2:55
  I'm
• 2:55
  going
• 2:55
  to
• 2:56
  sell
• 2:56
  it
• 2:56
  today.
• 2:56
  And
• 2:57
  they've
• 2:57
  got
• 2:57
  their
• 2:57
  puppets
• 2:58
  and
• 2:58
  their
• 2:58
  props
• 2:59
  and
• 2:59
  everything
• 2:59
  like
• 2:59
  that.
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  And
• 3:00
  we
• 3:00
  still
• 3:00
  had
• 3:00
  props.
• 3:01
  Yeah,
• 3:01
  there
• 3:01
  was
• 3:02
  props.
• 3:03
  But
• 3:03
  I
• 3:03
  feel
• 3:03
  like
• 3:03
  the
• 3:04
  middle
• 3:04
  is
• 3:04
  kind
• 3:04
  of
• 3:04
  where
• 3:05
  everyone
• 3:05
  is
• 3:05
  going.
• 3:05
  Like
• 3:06
  the
• 3:06
  hiring
• 3:06
  executives
• 3:06
  are
• 3:07
  meeting
• 3:07
  us
• 3:07
  in
• 3:07
  the
• 3:07
  middle.
• 3:08
  The
• 3:08
  people
• 3:08
  who
• 3:09
  are
• 3:09
  coming
• 3:09
  in
• 3:09
  are
• 3:09
  coming
• 3:09
  in
• 3:10
  with
• 3:10
  knowledge
• 3:11
  like
• 3:11
  direct
• 3:12
  to
• 3:12
  consumer
• 3:12
  and
• 3:12
  YouTube
• 3:13
  and
• 3:13
  like
• 3:13
  everyone's
• 3:14
  kind
• 3:14
  of
• 3:14
  like
• 3:14
  on,
• 3:15
  oh,
• 3:15
  we're
• 3:15
  all
• 3:15
  in
• 3:15
  the
• 3:15
  center.
• 3:16
  Yeah,
• 3:17
  it's
• 3:17
  equalizing.
• 3:18
  Yeah,
• 3:18
  absolutely.
• 3:18
  I
• 3:19
  felt
• 3:19
  that
• 3:19
  some
• 3:19
  of
• 3:20
  the
• 3:20
  people
• 3:20
  that
• 3:20
  were
• 3:20
  kind
• 3:20
  of
• 3:21
  new
• 3:21
  to
• 3:21
  the
• 3:21
  market
• 3:22
  in
• 3:22
  some
• 3:22
  respects,
• 3:23
  the
• 3:23
  people
• 3:24
  that
• 3:24
  were,
• 3:24
  were
• 3:25
  more
• 3:25
  experienced
• 3:25
  and
• 3:26
  had
• 3:26
  been
• 3:26
  in
• 3:26
  the
• 3:26
  market
• 3:26
  a
• 3:27
  long
• 3:27
  time
• 3:27
  were
• 3:27
  looking
• 3:27
  at
• 3:27
  them
• 3:28
  not
• 3:28
  enviously
• 3:29
  but
• 3:29
  with
• 3:30
  curiosity
• 3:30
  in
• 3:30
  terms
• 3:31
  of,
• 3:31
  well,
• 3:31
  how
• 3:31
  have
• 3:31
  you
• 3:32
  made
• 3:32
  YouTube
• 3:33
  work?
• 3:33
  I
• 3:34
  mean
• 3:34
  there's
• 3:34
  a,
• 3:34
  I
• 3:34
  think
• 3:34
  there's
• 3:35
  a
• 3:36
  cross
• 3:36
  pollination
• 3:37
  of
• 3:37
  ideas
• 3:38
  and
• 3:38
  people
• 3:38
  trying
• 3:38
  to
• 3:39
  learn
• 3:39
  from
• 3:39
  the
• 3:40
  new
• 3:40
  entrants
• 3:41
  and
• 3:41
  the
• 3:41
  older
• 3:42
  entrances.
• 3:42
  Yeah,
• 3:43
  totally
• 3:43
  agree.
• 3:44
  I
• 3:44
  think
• 3:44
  there
• 3:44
  was,
• 3:44
  I
• 3:45
  think
• 3:45
  there
• 3:45
  was
• 3:46
  like
• 3:47
  there
• 3:47
  was
• 3:47
  a
• 3:47
  certain,
• 3:48
  not
• 3:48
  to
• 3:48
  keep
• 3:48
  with
• 3:48
  the
• 3:48
  horse
• 3:49
  metaphors,
• 3:49
  but
• 3:49
  there
• 3:49
  was
• 3:49
  a
• 3:49
  certain
• 3:50
  like
• 3:50
  at
• 3:50
  the
• 3:50
  races
• 3:51
  mentality
• 3:51
  when
• 3:52
  it
• 3:52
  comes
• 3:52
  to
• 3:52
  new
• 3:52
  platforms.
• 3:53
  I
• 3:53
  feel
• 3:53
  like
• 3:54
  this
• 3:54
  is
• 3:54
  only
• 3:54
  my
• 3:54
  third
• 3:54
  kid
• 3:55
  screen.
• 3:55
  Right.
• 3:55
  But
• 3:55
  I
• 3:55
  feel
• 3:56
  like
• 3:56
  Roblox
• 3:56
  and
• 3:56
  YouTube
• 3:57
  were
• 3:57
  like
• 3:57
  still
• 3:58
  around
• 3:58
  the
• 3:58
  peripheries
• 3:59
  in
• 3:59
  the
• 3:59
  previous
• 3:59
  two.
• 3:59
  I
• 4:00
  was
• 4:00
  at
• 4:00
  like,
• 4:00
  we'll
• 4:01
  have
• 4:01
  a
• 4:01
  session
• 4:01
  here,
• 4:02
  we'll
• 4:02
  have
• 4:02
  two
• 4:02
  sessions
• 4:03
  of
• 4:03
  the
• 4:03
  next
• 4:03
  one.
• 4:04
  And
• 4:05
  whereas
• 4:05
  I
• 4:05
  feel,
• 4:06
  you
• 4:06
  know,
• 4:06
  the,
• 4:06
  the
• 4:07
  content
• 4:08
  was
• 4:08
  curated
• 4:08
  in
• 4:08
  a
• 4:08
  way,
• 4:08
  it
• 4:09
  was
• 4:09
  like,
• 4:09
  no,
• 4:09
  Roblox
• 4:10
  and
• 4:10
  YouTube
• 4:10
  are
• 4:11
  here.
• 4:11
  They
• 4:11
  got
• 4:11
  a
• 4:11
  load
• 4:12
  of
• 4:12
  creators
• 4:12
  here,
• 4:13
  a
• 4:13
  load
• 4:13
  of
• 4:14
  devs
• 4:14
  as
• 4:14
  well
• 4:15
  and
• 4:15
  studio
• 4:15
  and
• 4:15
  Roblox
• 4:16
  Studios.
• 4:16
  And
• 4:17
  it
• 4:17
  wasn't
• 4:17
  like,
• 4:18
  it
• 4:19
  wasn't
• 4:19
  like,
• 4:19
  what,
• 4:19
  we're
• 4:20
  inviting
• 4:20
  you
• 4:20
  to
• 4:21
  join
• 4:21
  the
• 4:21
  kids
• 4:21
  industry.
• 4:21
  It's
• 4:22
  like,
• 4:22
  okay,
• 4:22
  no,
• 4:23
  they
• 4:23
  are
• 4:23
  the
• 4:23
  kids
• 4:23
  industry
• 4:24
  and
• 4:24
  we're,
• 4:24
  we're
• 4:25
  all
• 4:25
  in
• 4:25
  the
• 4:25
  same
• 4:25
  pool.
• 4:26
  Which
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  thought,
• 4:26
  I
• 4:26
  thought
• 4:26
  that
• 4:27
  was,
• 4:27
  I
• 4:27
  thought
• 4:27
  that
• 4:27
  was.
• 4:27
  Yeah,
• 4:28
  that
• 4:28
  was,
• 4:28
  that
• 4:28
  said
• 4:28
  it.
• 4:29
  That
• 4:29
  set
• 4:29
  a
• 4:29
  good
• 4:29
  tone,
• 4:29
  I
• 4:29
  think.
• 4:30
  Yeah.
• 4:30
  And
• 4:30
  it's
• 4:30
  an
• 4:30
  absolute
• 4:31
  changing
• 4:31
  of
• 4:31
  the
• 4:31
  guard.
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  mean,
• 4:32
  I
• 4:32
  think
• 4:33
  I
• 4:33
  remember
• 4:33
  coming
• 4:33
  two
• 4:34
  years
• 4:34
  ago
• 4:35
  when
• 4:35
  it
• 4:35
  was.
• 4:36
  No,
• 4:36
  last
• 4:36
  year
• 4:36
  when
• 4:36
  in
• 4:37
  San
• 4:37
  Diego
• 4:37
  and
• 4:38
  going,
• 4:38
  I'm
• 4:38
  tired.
• 4:39
  You
• 4:39
  know,
• 4:40
  nothing
• 4:40
  against
• 4:40
  them,
• 4:40
  but
• 4:41
  I
• 4:41
  am
• 4:41
  really
• 4:41
  tired
• 4:41
  of
• 4:42
  the
• 4:42
  what
• 4:42
  does
• 4:42
  Netflix
• 4:43
  want?
• 4:43
  What
• 4:43
  does
• 4:44
  Apple
• 4:44
  want?
• 4:44
  What
• 4:44
  does
• 4:45
  Nick
• 4:45
  Logan
• 4:45
  want?
• 4:46
  Panels.
• 4:46
  Because
• 4:47
  we
• 4:47
  all
• 4:47
  know.
• 4:48
  And
• 4:48
  they're
• 4:48
  not
• 4:48
  buying,
• 4:49
  they
• 4:49
  don't
• 4:49
  want
• 4:49
  anything.
• 4:49
  You
• 4:50
  know,
• 4:50
  and
• 4:51
  so
• 4:51
  this
• 4:51
  year,
• 4:51
  the
• 4:51
  fact
• 4:51
  that
• 4:51
  they
• 4:52
  kind
• 4:52
  of
• 4:52
  switched
• 4:52
  the
• 4:52
  whole
• 4:53
  narrative.
• 4:53
  Yeah.
• 4:54
  And
• 4:54
  it
• 4:54
  went
• 4:54
  from
• 4:54
  anime
• 4:55
  to
• 4:55
  K
• 4:55
  pop
• 4:55
  to
• 4:56
  webtoons
• 4:56
  to
• 4:57
  Roblox
• 4:57
  to
• 4:58
  YouTube.
• 4:58
  That
• 4:59
  was
• 4:59
  the
• 4:59
  conversation.
• 5:00
  Yeah,
• 5:00
  yeah.
• 5:00
  And
• 5:00
  you
• 5:00
  see
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  buyers
• 5:01
  in
• 5:01
  the
• 5:01
  audience
• 5:02
  going,
• 5:03
  yeah,
• 5:04
  how
• 5:04
  should
• 5:04
  we
• 5:04
  get
• 5:05
  on
• 5:05
  to
• 5:06
  100%?
• 5:06
  Yeah,
• 5:07
  yeah,
• 5:07
  yeah.
• 5:08
  I
• 5:08
  mean,
• 5:08
  it
• 5:08
  used
• 5:08
  to
• 5:08
  be
• 5:09
  that
• 5:09
  those
• 5:09
  panels
• 5:09
  and
• 5:10
  then
• 5:10
  that
• 5:10
  was
• 5:10
  the
• 5:10
  case
• 5:10
  about
• 5:11
  five,
• 5:11
  ten
• 5:11
  years
• 5:11
  ago.
• 5:11
  I
• 5:12
  remember
• 5:12
  you'd
• 5:13
  see
• 5:13
  those
• 5:13
  panels
• 5:13
  of
• 5:13
  commissioners
• 5:14
  and
• 5:14
  then
• 5:14
  for
• 5:15
  some
• 5:15
  of
• 5:15
  them,
• 5:15
  you
• 5:15
  think,
• 5:16
  how
• 5:16
  many
• 5:16
  shows
• 5:17
  have
• 5:17
  you
• 5:17
  commissioned
• 5:18
  recently?
• 5:18
  Right.
• 5:19
  And
• 5:19
  now
• 5:20
  I
• 5:20
  think
• 5:20
  the
• 5:20
  question
• 5:20
  with
• 5:21
  the
• 5:21
  roglocks
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  the
• 5:22
  YouTube
• 5:23
  sessions
• 5:24
  is
• 5:24
  split.
• 5:25
  But
• 5:25
  it's
• 5:25
  kind
• 5:25
  of
• 5:26
  connected,
• 5:26
  which
• 5:26
  is.
• 5:27
  But
• 5:27
  how
• 5:27
  do
• 5:27
  we
• 5:28
  make
• 5:28
  money
• 5:28
  on
• 5:28
  those
• 5:28
  platforms?
• 5:29
  Correct.
• 5:30
  That's
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  new
• 5:30
  question.
• 5:31
  Correct.
• 5:31
  Yeah.
• 5:31
  And
• 5:31
  I
• 5:32
  think
• 5:32
  it's
• 5:33
  going
• 5:33
  to
• 5:33
  what
• 5:33
  I'm
• 5:33
  going
• 5:33
  to
• 5:33
  call
• 5:34
  the
• 5:34
  worst
• 5:34
  part
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  Kids
• 5:35
  Green,
• 5:35
  which
• 5:35
  is
• 5:36
  no
• 5:36
  one's
• 5:36
  got
• 5:36
  the
• 5:36
  answer.
• 5:37
  And
• 5:37
  the
• 5:38
  industry
• 5:38
  is.
• 5:38
  And
• 5:38
  the
• 5:39
  industry
• 5:39
  is
• 5:39
  in
• 5:39
  a
• 5:39
  really
• 5:40
  messed
• 5:40
  up
• 5:40
  situation.
• 5:41
  And
• 5:41
  I
• 5:41
  think
• 5:42
  the
• 5:42
  conversation
• 5:42
  really
• 5:43
  centers
• 5:43
  around
• 5:44
  the
• 5:44
  old
• 5:44
  school
• 5:45
  model
• 5:45
  of
• 5:45
  commission
• 5:46
  based
• 5:47
  cost
• 5:47
  plus
• 5:48
  survival
• 5:49
  through
• 5:50
  show
• 5:50
  pickup.
• 5:51
  Yeah.
• 5:51
  And
• 5:52
  like
• 5:52
  the.
• 5:52
  There
• 5:53
  is
• 5:53
  absolutely
• 5:54
  no
• 5:54
  money,
• 5:54
  but
• 5:55
  massive
• 5:55
  audience
• 5:55
  and
• 5:56
  all
• 5:56
  these
• 5:56
  brand
• 5:56
  new
• 5:56
  platforms.
• 5:57
  Yeah.
• 5:57
  And
• 5:57
  no
• 5:57
  one
• 5:58
  can
• 5:58
  figure
• 5:58
  it
• 5:58
  out.
• 5:59
  And
• 5:59
  that's
• 5:59
  the
• 6:00
  worst
• 6:00
  part,
• 6:00
  is
• 6:00
  that
• 6:00
  we're
• 6:00
  all
• 6:00
  looking
• 6:01
  at
• 6:01
  each
• 6:01
  other
• 6:01
  saying,
• 6:01
  have
• 6:02
  you
• 6:02
  figured
• 6:02
  it
• 6:02
  out?
• 6:02
  Yeah,
• 6:03
  have
• 6:03
  you
• 6:03
  figured
• 6:03
  it
• 6:03
  out?
• 6:04
  I
• 6:04
  mean,
• 6:04
  did
• 6:05
  anyone
• 6:05
  give
• 6:05
  you
• 6:05
  guys
• 6:05
  an
• 6:05
  answer?
• 6:10
  Yeah,
• 6:11
  but
• 6:11
  I'm
• 6:11
  not
• 6:11
  telling
• 6:11
  you.
• 6:12
  I'm
• 6:12
  up
• 6:12
  to
• 6:12
  make
• 6:13
  5
• 6:13
  million.
• 6:13
  That's
• 6:14
  right.
• 6:14
  Yeah.
• 6:15
  No,
• 6:15
  Emily
• 6:16
  has
• 6:16
  the
• 6:16
  answer.
• 6:17
  Her
• 6:17
  commission
• 6:17
  rate
• 6:18
  is
• 6:18
  in
• 6:18
  the
• 6:18
  comments.
• 6:20
  No,
• 6:20
  it
• 6:21
  is,
• 6:21
  it's
• 6:22
  consulting.
• 6:24
  No,
• 6:24
  free
• 6:24
  consulting.
• 6:25
  That's
• 6:25
  our,
• 6:25
  that's
• 6:25
  one
• 6:26
  of
• 6:26
  our
• 6:26
  catchphrases.
• 6:29
  But
• 6:30
  yeah,
• 6:31
  no,
• 6:31
  it.
• 6:32
  The
• 6:32
  answer
• 6:32
  is
• 6:33
  is.
• 6:33
  Is
• 6:34
  inescapable.
• 6:34
  Like
• 6:35
  the.
• 6:35
  No,
• 6:35
  don't
• 6:36
  have
• 6:36
  the
• 6:36
  answer.
• 6:36
  The
• 6:36
  answer
• 6:36
  is
• 6:37
  out
• 6:37
  there.
• 6:37
  Has
• 6:37
  to
• 6:37
  be.
• 6:37
  But
• 6:38
  like
• 6:38
  alongside
• 6:39
  all
• 6:39
  this
• 6:39
  is,
• 6:40
  you
• 6:40
  know,
• 6:40
  age
• 6:41
  restrictions
• 6:41
  around
• 6:42
  social
• 6:42
  media.
• 6:42
  Like,
• 6:43
  what's
• 6:43
  that
• 6:43
  going
• 6:43
  to
• 6:43
  do
• 6:44
  to
• 6:44
  YouTube?
• 6:46
  There,
• 6:46
  there's
• 6:47
  shoe.
• 6:47
  Shoes.
• 6:48
  There's
• 6:48
  other
• 6:49
  shoes
• 6:49
  that
• 6:49
  need
• 6:49
  to
• 6:49
  fall
• 6:49
  in
• 6:50
  the
• 6:50
  situation
• 6:50
  still.
• 6:52
  I
• 6:52
  feel
• 6:52
  like
• 6:52
  there's,
• 6:53
  you
• 6:53
  know,
• 6:53
  there
• 6:53
  was
• 6:54
  a
• 6:54
  good
• 6:54
  ground
• 6:54
  set
• 6:55
  at
• 6:55
  the
• 6:55
  conference
• 6:56
  this
• 6:57
  time
• 6:57
  around
• 6:57
  to
• 6:57
  be
• 6:57
  like,
• 6:58
  YouTube
• 6:58
  is
• 6:58
  here.
• 6:59
  No
• 6:59
  one's
• 6:59
  making
• 6:59
  any.
• 7:00
  Like
• 7:00
  the
• 7:00
  revenue
• 7:01
  is
• 7:01
  the
• 7:01
  issue.
• 7:02
  They
• 7:02
  have
• 7:02
  the
• 7:02
  audience.
• 7:03
  They
• 7:03
  don't
• 7:03
  have
• 7:03
  the
• 7:03
  business
• 7:03
  model.
• 7:04
  Right.
• 7:04
  Right.
• 7:04
  And
• 7:05
  that's
• 7:05
  the
• 7:05
  problem.
• 7:05
  Roblox
• 7:06
  is
• 7:06
  here,
• 7:07
  it
• 7:07
  has
• 7:07
  the
• 7:07
  audience,
• 7:08
  but
• 7:08
  we
• 7:08
  don't
• 7:09
  have
• 7:09
  the
• 7:09
  business
• 7:09
  model.
• 7:09
  Right.
• 7:11
  And
• 7:11
  yeah,
• 7:12
  I'm
• 7:12
  afraid
• 7:13
  I
• 7:13
  don't
• 7:13
  have
• 7:13
  the
• 7:13
  answer
• 7:13
  on
• 7:14
  it.
• 7:14
  But
• 7:14
  the
• 7:15
  social.
• 7:16
  This
• 7:16
  next
• 7:17
  kind
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  sort
• 7:17
  of
• 7:18
  fall
• 7:18
  in
• 7:18
  the
• 7:18
  social
• 7:18
  media
• 7:19
  age
• 7:19
  restrictions,
• 7:19
  which
• 7:20
  I
• 7:20
  think
• 7:20
  are
• 7:20
  coming
• 7:21
  definitely
• 7:21
  from
• 7:21
  a
• 7:21
  European
• 7:22
  point
• 7:22
  of
• 7:22
  view,
• 7:22
  which
• 7:22
  will
• 7:23
  ultimately
• 7:24
  influence
• 7:24
  the
• 7:25
  builder
• 7:25
  platforms.
• 7:27
  Once
• 7:28
  that
• 7:28
  lands,
• 7:29
  then
• 7:29
  we
• 7:29
  might
• 7:30
  be
• 7:30
  able
• 7:30
  to
• 7:30
  look
• 7:30
  at
• 7:31
  a
• 7:31
  more
• 7:31
  static
• 7:32
  landscape,
• 7:33
  perhaps.
• 7:33
  But
• 7:33
  why
• 7:34
  would
• 7:34
  I
• 7:34
  ever
• 7:34
  say
• 7:34
  a
• 7:34
  static
• 7:35
  landscape
• 7:35
  when
• 7:35
  it
• 7:35
  comes
• 7:35
  to
• 7:36
  kids?
• 7:36
  But
• 7:36
  yeah,
• 7:36
  that's
• 7:37
  where
• 7:37
  I
• 7:37
  am.
• 7:37
  It
• 7:37
  is
• 7:37
  difficult
• 7:38
  to
• 7:38
  say
• 7:38
  static
• 7:38
  landscape
• 7:39
  because
• 7:39
  it's
• 7:39
  going
• 7:39
  to
• 7:40
  change
• 7:41
  next
• 7:41
  year.
• 7:41
  It's
• 7:41
  going
• 7:41
  to
• 7:42
  change
• 7:42
  in
• 7:42
  six
• 7:42
  months.
• 7:42
  Yeah,
• 7:43
  yeah.
• 7:44
  But
• 7:44
  that
• 7:44
  did
• 7:44
  touch
• 7:45
  upon
• 7:45
  something
• 7:45
  I
• 7:45
  thought
• 7:46
  was
• 7:46
  really
• 7:46
  interesting
• 7:46
  about
• 7:46
  the
• 7:47
  way
• 7:47
  the
• 7:47
  sessions
• 7:48
  have
• 7:48
  been
• 7:48
  curated
• 7:49
  because
• 7:49
  it
• 7:49
  feels
• 7:49
  like
• 7:50
  there
• 7:50
  are
• 7:50
  a
• 7:51
  number
• 7:51
  of
• 7:51
  different
• 7:51
  forces
• 7:52
  almost
• 7:52
  kind
• 7:53
  of
• 7:53
  moving
• 7:53
  in
• 7:53
  different
• 7:54
  opposing
• 7:54
  directions.
• 7:55
  So
• 7:55
  we
• 7:55
  had
• 7:55
  the
• 7:55
  keynote
• 7:56
  today
• 7:56
  which
• 7:57
  was
• 7:57
  very
• 7:57
  much
• 7:57
  about
• 7:58
  social
• 7:58
  media
• 7:59
  ban.
• 8:00
  And
• 8:00
  this
• 8:00
  is
• 8:00
  Jonathan
• 8:01
  Hate.
• 8:01
  Yeah,
• 8:02
  I
• 8:02
  didn't
• 8:02
  make
• 8:02
  that
• 8:02
  one.
• 8:02
  What
• 8:02
  was,
• 8:03
  what
• 8:03
  was
• 8:03
  your
• 8:03
  takeaways?
• 8:04
  I
• 8:05
  mean,
• 8:05
  it
• 8:05
  was.
• 8:08
  Was
• 8:08
  pretty
• 8:08
  harsh
• 8:09
  in
• 8:09
  terms
• 8:09
  of
• 8:09
  his
• 8:10
  opinion
• 8:10
  on
• 8:10
  stuff.
• 8:11
  So
• 8:11
  it
• 8:11
  was
• 8:11
  like,
• 8:12
  Roblox
• 8:13
  is
• 8:13
  terrible.
• 8:14
  He
• 8:15
  commented
• 8:15
  on
• 8:16
  some
• 8:16
  of
• 8:16
  the
• 8:16
  sessions
• 8:17
  that
• 8:17
  have
• 8:17
  been
• 8:18
  and
• 8:18
  said
• 8:18
  that
• 8:19
  he
• 8:19
  pulled
• 8:20
  out
• 8:20
  the
• 8:20
  micro
• 8:20
  drama
• 8:21
  session
• 8:21
  and
• 8:21
  the
• 8:21
  Roblox
• 8:22
  session
• 8:23
  and
• 8:23
  he
• 8:23
  said
• 8:24
  the
• 8:24
  industry
• 8:25
  shouldn't
• 8:25
  be
• 8:26
  doing
• 8:26
  stuff
• 8:26
  here.
• 8:29
  Oh,
• 8:29
  my
• 8:29
  gosh.
• 8:31
  How
• 8:32
  did
• 8:32
  the
• 8:32
  room
• 8:32
  feel?
• 8:32
  Well,
• 8:33
  it
• 8:33
  was
• 8:33
  interesting.
• 8:34
  Some
• 8:34
  were
• 8:34
  kind
• 8:35
  of
• 8:35
  clapping
• 8:35
  and
• 8:35
  cheering
• 8:36
  and
• 8:37
  a
• 8:37
  couple
• 8:37
  I
• 8:37
  noticed
• 8:38
  left
• 8:38
  early
• 8:38
  and
• 8:39
  I
• 8:39
  wonder
• 8:39
  whether
• 8:40
  they're
• 8:40
  like,
• 8:40
  this
• 8:40
  guy
• 8:41
  doesn't
• 8:41
  get
• 8:41
  it.
• 8:41
  Yeah.
• 8:42
  And
• 8:42
  maybe
• 8:42
  it's
• 8:42
  gone.
• 8:43
  If
• 8:43
  that.
• 8:43
  If
• 8:43
  you
• 8:43
  work
• 8:43
  in
• 8:44
  Roblox
• 8:44
  or
• 8:44
  if
• 8:44
  you
• 8:45
  work
• 8:45
  in
• 8:45
  social
• 8:45
  media
• 8:45
  for
• 8:46
  kids,
• 8:46
  then
• 8:47
  I'm
• 8:47
  not
• 8:47
  sure
• 8:47
  what
• 8:47
  you
• 8:48
  do
• 8:48
  with
• 8:48
  that
• 8:48
  information.
• 8:49
  Yeah.
• 8:49
  Apart
• 8:50
  from
• 8:50
  maybe
• 8:50
  kind
• 8:50
  of
• 8:50
  give
• 8:51
  it
• 8:51
  all
• 8:51
  up
• 8:51
  and
• 8:52
  check
• 8:52
  into
• 8:52
  a
• 8:53
  monastery
• 8:53
  or
• 8:53
  something
• 8:53
  like
• 8:53
  that.
• 8:54
  We'll
• 8:55
  become
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  monk.
• 8:57
  So,
• 8:57
  yeah,
• 8:57
  that
• 8:57
  was.
• 8:58
  That
• 8:58
  was
• 8:58
  interesting.
• 8:59
  Wow.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  I
• 9:00
  mean,
• 9:01
  I
• 9:01
  kind
• 9:01
  of.
• 9:01
  It
• 9:01
  was
• 9:02
  one
• 9:02
  of
• 9:02
  those
• 9:02
  ones
• 9:02
  where
• 9:02
  I
• 9:03
  agreed
• 9:03
  kind
• 9:04
  of
• 9:04
  broadly
• 9:04
  with
• 9:04
  the
• 9:05
  gist.
• 9:05
  But
• 9:06
  there
• 9:06
  are
• 9:06
  a
• 9:06
  couple
• 9:06
  of
• 9:07
  comments
• 9:07
  that
• 9:08
  he
• 9:08
  made
• 9:08
  where
• 9:08
  I
• 9:08
  felt
• 9:08
  that
• 9:09
  I
• 9:09
  wasn't
• 9:10
  quite
• 9:10
  on
• 9:10
  board
• 9:10
  with.
• 9:11
  So
• 9:11
  he
• 9:11
  talked
• 9:11
  about
• 9:13
  his
• 9:13
  own
• 9:13
  kids
• 9:14
  saying
• 9:14
  that,
• 9:15
  you
• 9:15
  know,
• 9:15
  they.
• 9:16
  They
• 9:16
  just
• 9:16
  won't
• 9:17
  watch
• 9:17
  any
• 9:17
  movies
• 9:18
  pre
• 9:19
  2000.
• 9:20
  Wow.
• 9:21
  And
• 9:21
  I
• 9:21
  think
• 9:22
  the
• 9:23
  problem
• 9:23
  with
• 9:23
  being
• 9:24
  a
• 9:24
  bit
• 9:24
  older
• 9:25
  is
• 9:25
  I
• 9:25
  think
• 9:26
  you.
• 9:27
  Yeah,
• 9:27
  go
• 9:28
  on.
• 9:28
  Yes.
• 9:29
  It's
• 9:30
  like
• 9:30
  I
• 9:30
  think
• 9:30
  you
• 9:31
  can
• 9:31
  be
• 9:31
  in
• 9:31
  danger
• 9:32
  of
• 9:34
  reducing
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  distance
• 9:35
  of
• 9:36
  time
• 9:36
  between
• 9:36
  two
• 9:37
  points.
• 9:37
  So
• 9:38
  in
• 9:39
  the
• 9:39
  80s,
• 9:40
  in
• 9:40
  my
• 9:40
  teens,
• 9:41
  if
• 9:41
  my
• 9:41
  parents
• 9:42
  saying,
• 9:42
  well,
• 9:42
  you
• 9:43
  don't
• 9:43
  understand
• 9:44
  you
• 9:44
  need
• 9:44
  to
• 9:44
  be
• 9:44
  watching
• 9:45
  some
• 9:45
  movies
• 9:45
  from
• 9:45
  the
• 9:46
  1950s.
• 9:46
  I
• 9:47
  would
• 9:47
  have
• 9:47
  thought
• 9:47
  that
• 9:47
  was
• 9:47
  bonkers.
• 9:49
  And.
• 9:50
  And
• 9:50
  in
• 9:50
  some
• 9:51
  ways
• 9:51
  to
• 9:51
  lament
• 9:52
  the
• 9:52
  fact
• 9:52
  that
• 9:53
  kids
• 9:53
  aren't
• 9:53
  watching
• 9:54
  movies
• 9:55
  pre
• 9:55
  2000.
• 9:56
  This
• 9:56
  is
• 9:57
  the
• 9:57
  same
• 9:57
  distance
• 9:57
  of
• 9:57
  time.
• 9:58
  We're
• 9:58
  just.
• 9:59
  We're
• 9:59
  just
• 9:59
  viewing
• 9:59
  it
• 10:00
  from
• 10:00
  a
• 10:00
  different
• 10:01
  angle.
• 10:01
  Correct,
• 10:02
  Correct.
• 10:02
  Yeah,
• 10:03
  I
• 10:03
  see
• 10:03
  what
• 10:03
  you're
• 10:03
  saying.
• 10:03
  I
• 10:04
  see
• 10:04
  what
• 10:04
  you're
• 10:04
  saying.
• 10:04
  So.
• 10:05
  Yeah,
• 10:05
  that's
• 10:05
  interesting.
• 10:05
  So
• 10:06
  you
• 10:06
  did
• 10:06
  a
• 10:06
  really
• 10:06
  good
• 10:06
  job
• 10:07
  of
• 10:07
  kind
• 10:07
  of
• 10:07
  balancing
• 10:08
  what
• 10:08
  you
• 10:08
  think
• 10:09
  the
• 10:09
  opinions
• 10:10
  for
• 10:10
  and
• 10:10
  against
• 10:10
  him
• 10:11
  are.
• 10:11
  But
• 10:11
  what
• 10:11
  does
• 10:12
  Andy
• 10:12
  Williams
• 10:12
  think?
• 10:13
  For
• 10:13
  what?
• 10:13
  For
• 10:14
  his
• 10:14
  speech.
• 10:14
  Like,
• 10:14
  are
• 10:14
  you
• 10:15
  on
• 10:15
  board
• 10:15
  with
• 10:15
  it,
• 10:15
  with
• 10:16
  the
• 10:16
  social
• 10:16
  media
• 10:16
  band
• 10:18
  and
• 10:18
  also
• 10:18
  his
• 10:18
  general
• 10:19
  opinion
• 10:19
  on
• 10:19
  those
• 10:19
  platforms?
• 10:20
  Yeah,
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  mean,
• 10:21
  I
• 10:21
  think
• 10:21
  that
• 10:22
  in
• 10:23
  some
• 10:23
  ways
• 10:24
  we're
• 10:24
  looking
• 10:24
  at
• 10:24
  quite
• 10:25
  a
• 10:25
  crude
• 10:26
  response
• 10:26
  to
• 10:27
  it.
• 10:27
  And
• 10:27
  I
• 10:27
  think
• 10:27
  there
• 10:27
  is
• 10:28
  an
• 10:28
  argument
• 10:28
  for
• 10:28
  having
• 10:29
  maybe
• 10:30
  a
• 10:30
  ladder
• 10:30
  of
• 10:31
  freedoms
• 10:32
  and
• 10:32
  access
• 10:33
  to
• 10:33
  social
• 10:33
  media
• 10:34
  as
• 10:34
  you
• 10:34
  get
• 10:34
  older
• 10:35
  rather
• 10:35
  than
• 10:35
  saying
• 10:36
  you
• 10:36
  can't
• 10:36
  have
• 10:37
  it
• 10:37
  at
• 10:37
  all
• 10:37
  to
• 10:37
  your
• 10:37
  esteem.
• 10:38
  I
• 10:38
  think,
• 10:39
  I
• 10:39
  think
• 10:39
  that
• 10:39
  maybe
• 10:40
  like
• 10:40
  YouTube,
• 10:40
  kids
• 10:40
  YouTube,
• 10:41
  teens
• 10:41
  YouTube.
• 10:42
  Yeah.
• 10:44
  And
• 10:44
  something
• 10:44
  that
• 10:44
  was
• 10:45
  just
• 10:45
  a
• 10:45
  given
• 10:45
  in
• 10:46
  kids
• 10:46
  TV
• 10:46
  is
• 10:47
  how.
• 10:48
  How
• 10:48
  much
• 10:48
  the
• 10:48
  audience
• 10:49
  kids
• 10:50
  changes
• 10:50
  dramatically
• 10:52
  from
• 10:53
  one
• 10:53
  age
• 10:53
  to
• 10:54
  another.
• 10:54
  I
• 10:54
  mean,
• 10:54
  they
• 10:54
  change
• 10:55
  in
• 10:55
  years.
• 10:56
  And
• 10:56
  it's
• 10:56
  just
• 10:56
  when
• 10:57
  you
• 10:57
  reach.
• 10:58
  When
• 10:58
  you
• 10:58
  get
• 10:58
  into
• 10:59
  grown
• 10:59
  up
• 10:59
  TV
• 11:00
  that
• 11:00
  it
• 11:00
  tends
• 11:01
  to
• 11:01
  be
• 11:01
  kind
• 11:01
  of
• 11:01
  broader.
• 11:01
  But
• 11:02
  we
• 11:02
  had
• 11:02
  ratings.
• 11:03
  Yeah,
• 11:03
  you'd
• 11:04
  have
• 11:04
  a
• 11:04
  rating
• 11:04
  in
• 11:04
  front
• 11:04
  of
• 11:04
  the
• 11:04
  show
• 11:04
  that
• 11:05
  tells
• 11:05
  you
• 11:05
  if
• 11:05
  it's
• 11:05
  appropriate.
• 11:06
  Yeah,
• 11:06
  yeah.
• 11:07
  And
• 11:07
  if
• 11:07
  you
• 11:07
  were
• 11:07
  marketing
• 11:08
  programs,
• 11:09
  you'd.
• 11:09
  You
• 11:09
  wouldn't
• 11:10
  be
• 11:10
  mixing
• 11:11
  up
• 11:11
  the
• 11:11
  audience
• 11:12
  for
• 11:12
  preschool
• 11:13
  or
• 11:13
  Bruce
• 11:13
  preschool
• 11:14
  with.
• 11:15
  With
• 11:15
  an
• 11:15
  older
• 11:15
  animation.
• 11:16
  And
• 11:16
  it'd
• 11:16
  be
• 11:16
  very
• 11:17
  distinct.
• 11:17
  And
• 11:17
  the
• 11:17
  advertising
• 11:18
  also
• 11:18
  kind
• 11:18
  of
• 11:18
  lets
• 11:19
  everyone
• 11:19
  know,
• 11:20
  am
• 11:20
  I
• 11:20
  in
• 11:20
  the
• 11:20
  right
• 11:20
  party
• 11:21
  or
• 11:21
  not?
• 11:21
  Like,
• 11:22
  if
• 11:22
  I'm
• 11:22
  watching
• 11:22
  a
• 11:22
  show
• 11:23
  and
• 11:23
  all
• 11:23
  the
• 11:23
  advertising
• 11:24
  are
• 11:24
  like
• 11:25
  medications
• 11:25
  for
• 11:25
  blood
• 11:26
  thinning,
• 11:26
  I'm
• 11:26
  like,
• 11:26
  oh,
• 11:27
  yeah,
• 11:27
  this
• 11:27
  is
• 11:27
  marked
• 11:27
  towards
• 11:28
  me.
• 11:28
  I'm
• 11:28
  watching
• 11:29
  the
• 11:29
  right
• 11:29
  show.
• 11:29
  Yeah,
• 11:30
  that's
• 11:30
  right.
• 11:31
  Yeah.
• 11:31
  So
• 11:32
  I
• 11:32
  kind
• 11:32
  of
• 11:32
  feel
• 11:32
  like
• 11:32
  there's
• 11:33
  maybe
• 11:33
  a
• 11:33
  more
• 11:33
  nuanced
• 11:34
  approach
• 11:34
  than,
• 11:35
  with.
• 11:35
  Than
• 11:36
  is
• 11:36
  being
• 11:36
  advocated,
• 11:37
  even
• 11:37
  down
• 11:37
  to.
• 11:38
  He's
• 11:38
  very.
• 11:38
  He
• 11:38
  was
• 11:38
  very
• 11:39
  down
• 11:39
  on
• 11:39
  shorts.
• 11:40
  And
• 11:40
  I
• 11:41
  think
• 11:41
  if
• 11:42
  your
• 11:42
  diet
• 11:42
  is
• 11:43
  just
• 11:43
  shorts,
• 11:44
  it's
• 11:44
  a
• 11:44
  bit
• 11:44
  like
• 11:44
  just
• 11:44
  eating
• 11:45
  snacks.
• 11:45
  Yeah,
• 11:46
  it's
• 11:47
  not
• 11:47
  a
• 11:47
  good
• 11:48
  idea,
• 11:48
  but
• 11:49
  maybe
• 11:49
  snacks
• 11:50
  and
• 11:50
  within
• 11:50
  a
• 11:51
  balanced
• 11:51
  diet.
• 11:51
  Yeah,
• 11:52
  maybe
• 11:52
  that's.
• 11:53
  Maybe
• 11:53
  that
• 11:53
  works.
• 11:54
  And
• 11:54
  so.
• 11:55
  So
• 11:55
  maybe
• 11:55
  that's
• 11:55
  more.
• 11:56
  It's
• 11:56
  interesting.
• 11:56
  It's
• 11:57
  the
• 11:57
  media
• 11:57
  diet
• 11:57
  for
• 11:58
  kids.
• 11:58
  Got
• 11:58
  it.
• 11:58
  Yeah.
• 11:59
  All
• 11:59
  right.
• 11:59
  I
• 11:59
  kind
• 11:59
  of
• 11:59
  want
• 11:59
  to
• 12:00
  switch
• 12:00
  gears
• 12:00
  a
• 12:00
  little
• 12:00
  bit
• 12:00
  and
• 12:01
  I
• 12:01
  think
• 12:01
  it's
• 12:02
  a
• 12:02
  topic
• 12:02
  that
• 12:02
  we
• 12:02
  can
• 12:03
  really
• 12:03
  only
• 12:03
  talk
• 12:03
  about
• 12:03
  this
• 12:04
  year,
• 12:04
  which
• 12:04
  is
• 12:05
  Kids
• 12:05
  Green
• 12:05
  itself
• 12:06
  is
• 12:06
  in
• 12:06
  a
• 12:06
  little
• 12:06
  bit
• 12:07
  of
• 12:07
  a
• 12:07
  crisis.
• 12:07
  Right.
• 12:08
  So
• 12:08
  they
• 12:09
  moved
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  San
• 12:09
  Diego
• 12:09
  two
• 12:10
  years
• 12:10
  ago.
• 12:10
  They're
• 12:10
  in
• 12:10
  the
• 12:10
  big
• 12:11
  convention
• 12:11
  center.
• 12:12
  Then
• 12:12
  they
• 12:13
  move
• 12:13
  to
• 12:13
  this
• 12:13
  new
• 12:13
  venue
• 12:14
  that
• 12:14
  we're
• 12:14
  at
• 12:14
  right
• 12:14
  now
• 12:15
  and
• 12:15
  then
• 12:15
  they're
• 12:15
  going
• 12:15
  back
• 12:16
  to
• 12:16
  Miami
• 12:17
  next
• 12:17
  year.
• 12:18
  And
• 12:18
  we've
• 12:18
  seen
• 12:18
  the
• 12:18
  numbers
• 12:19
  significantly
• 12:20
  decline
• 12:21
  last
• 12:21
  year.
• 12:22
  This
• 12:22
  year,
• 12:22
  I
• 12:22
  think
• 12:22
  it's
• 12:22
  the
• 12:22
  first
• 12:23
  year
• 12:23
  under
• 12:23
  a
• 12:23
  thousand
• 12:23
  attendees
• 12:24
  and
• 12:24
  we're
• 12:24
  going
• 12:24
  to
• 12:25
  go
• 12:25
  back
• 12:25
  to
• 12:25
  Miami
• 12:25
  next
• 12:26
  year.
• 12:27
  Is
• 12:27
  the
• 12:27
  convention
• 12:28
  in
• 12:28
  trouble?
• 12:30
  Yeah,
• 12:30
  I
• 12:30
  don't
• 12:30
  know.
• 12:31
  Like,
• 12:31
  it's,
• 12:31
  it's
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  tough
• 12:32
  one.
• 12:32
  It's
• 12:32
  a
• 12:32
  tough
• 12:32
  one
• 12:33
  to
• 12:33
  say.
• 12:33
  I
• 12:33
  mean,
• 12:33
  I
• 12:34
  think
• 12:35
  I
• 12:35
  kind
• 12:35
  of,
• 12:36
  I'm
• 12:36
  at
• 12:36
  the,
• 12:36
  I'm
• 12:36
  at
• 12:37
  the
• 12:37
  pointy
• 12:38
  end
• 12:38
  of
• 12:38
  the
• 12:38
  issues
• 12:39
  right
• 12:39
  around
• 12:40
  the
• 12:40
  location.
• 12:40
  Okay.
• 12:41
  It's
• 12:41
  like
• 12:41
  I
• 12:41
  live
• 12:42
  in
• 12:42
  Dublin,
• 12:42
  so
• 12:43
  there's
• 12:43
  no
• 12:43
  direct
• 12:43
  flight
• 12:44
  to
• 12:44
  San
• 12:44
  Diego.
• 12:44
  That's
• 12:45
  a
• 12:45
  pain.
• 12:45
  And
• 12:45
  I
• 12:45
  know
• 12:45
  a
• 12:46
  lot
• 12:46
  of
• 12:46
  Europeans
• 12:46
  find
• 12:46
  that.
• 12:47
  But
• 12:47
  equally
• 12:48
  San
• 12:48
  Diego's
• 12:49
  proximity
• 12:49
  to
• 12:49
  la.
• 12:50
  Right.
• 12:51
  I
• 12:51
  was
• 12:51
  able
• 12:51
  to
• 12:51
  pick
• 12:51
  up
• 12:52
  a
• 12:52
  couple
• 12:52
  of
• 12:52
  meetings
• 12:52
  there
• 12:52
  before
• 12:53
  I
• 12:53
  came
• 12:53
  down.
• 12:54
  There's
• 12:54
  a
• 12:54
  lot
• 12:54
  of
• 12:55
  west
• 12:55
  coast
• 12:55
  based
• 12:56
  execs
• 12:56
  who
• 12:57
  have
• 12:57
  kind
• 12:57
  of,
• 12:58
  you
• 12:58
  know,
• 12:58
  will
• 12:58
  trip
• 12:59
  down
• 12:59
  here
• 12:59
  for
• 12:59
  a
• 13:00
  little
• 13:00
  day
• 13:00
  or
• 13:00
  there's,
• 13:01
  you
• 13:01
  know,
• 13:01
  more
• 13:01
  junior
• 13:02
  folks
• 13:02
  on
• 13:02
  the
• 13:02
  team
• 13:02
  are
• 13:02
  being
• 13:02
  sent
• 13:03
  here
• 13:03
  with
• 13:03
  more
• 13:03
  of
• 13:03
  a,
• 13:04
  like
• 13:04
  a
• 13:04
  learning
• 13:04
  thing.
• 13:05
  And
• 13:05
  so
• 13:05
  there's,
• 13:06
  there's
• 13:06
  bigger
• 13:06
  teams
• 13:06
  here
• 13:07
  that
• 13:07
  I
• 13:07
  don't
• 13:07
  think
• 13:07
  will
• 13:08
  fly
• 13:08
  to
• 13:08
  Miami.
• 13:09
  Oh,
• 13:09
  good
• 13:09
  point.
• 13:10
  What
• 13:10
  do
• 13:10
  you
• 13:10
  think,
• 13:10
  Andy?
• 13:13
  I
• 13:13
  think
• 13:14
  conferences
• 13:14
  are
• 13:15
  under
• 13:15
  quite
• 13:15
  a
• 13:15
  lot
• 13:15
  of
• 13:15
  pressure
• 13:15
  because
• 13:16
  in
• 13:16
  some
• 13:16
  ways
• 13:17
  the
• 13:17
  original
• 13:17
  reason
• 13:18
  they
• 13:18
  were
• 13:18
  created
• 13:19
  is
• 13:19
  to
• 13:19
  kind
• 13:19
  of
• 13:19
  introduce
• 13:20
  producers
• 13:20
  to
• 13:21
  buyers
• 13:22
  and
• 13:22
  that
• 13:23
  dynamic
• 13:23
  has
• 13:23
  been
• 13:24
  radically
• 13:24
  disrupted.
• 13:26
  So
• 13:28
  if
• 13:28
  the
• 13:28
  landscape
• 13:29
  is
• 13:29
  everyone
• 13:30
  putting
• 13:30
  stuff
• 13:31
  on
• 13:31
  YouTube,
• 13:32
  there's
• 13:32
  less
• 13:32
  reason
• 13:33
  to
• 13:33
  have
• 13:34
  a
• 13:34
  conference
• 13:35
  because
• 13:35
  you're
• 13:35
  not
• 13:35
  really
• 13:36
  introducing
• 13:36
  buyers
• 13:37
  and
• 13:37
  producers
• 13:37
  in
• 13:38
  the
• 13:38
  segment.
• 13:38
  That's
• 13:38
  right.
• 13:39
  The
• 13:39
  whole
• 13:40
  mission
• 13:40
  statement
• 13:40
  changes.
• 13:41
  It
• 13:41
  does.
• 13:41
  And
• 13:41
  that,
• 13:42
  and
• 13:42
  that's,
• 13:43
  I
• 13:43
  think
• 13:43
  it
• 13:43
  some
• 13:43
  ways,
• 13:44
  like
• 13:44
  the
• 13:44
  rest
• 13:44
  of
• 13:44
  industry
• 13:45
  is
• 13:45
  trying
• 13:45
  to
• 13:46
  grapple
• 13:46
  with
• 13:47
  where
• 13:48
  their
• 13:48
  place
• 13:48
  is
• 13:48
  now.
• 13:48
  You've
• 13:49
  just
• 13:49
  hit
• 13:49
  on
• 13:49
  something
• 13:49
  really
• 13:50
  powerful
• 13:50
  because
• 13:50
  I
• 13:51
  neglected
• 13:52
  to
• 13:52
  remember
• 13:53
  that
• 13:54
  the
• 13:54
  main
• 13:54
  purpose
• 13:54
  of
• 13:55
  the
• 13:55
  meeting
• 13:55
  is
• 13:55
  handshaking
• 13:56
  of
• 13:56
  buyers
• 13:56
  and
• 13:57
  sellers.
• 13:57
  And
• 13:58
  you
• 13:58
  know,
• 13:58
  we
• 13:58
  all
• 13:58
  benefit
• 13:59
  from
• 13:59
  the
• 13:59
  educational
• 14:00
  part
• 14:00
  and
• 14:00
  we
• 14:00
  all
• 14:01
  enjoy
• 14:02
  going
• 14:02
  to
• 14:02
  those
• 14:02
  sessions
• 14:02
  and
• 14:03
  hearing
• 14:03
  it.
• 14:03
  But
• 14:03
  this
• 14:04
  is
• 14:04
  not
• 14:04
  an
• 14:04
  educational
• 14:06
  convention.
• 14:07
  Yeah.
• 14:07
  It
• 14:07
  is
• 14:07
  a
• 14:07
  buyer
• 14:08
  seller
• 14:08
  convention.
• 14:08
  It's
• 14:08
  a
• 14:09
  market.
• 14:09
  Yeah.
• 14:09
  And
• 14:09
  if
• 14:09
  that,
• 14:09
  if
• 14:10
  that
• 14:10
  marketplace
• 14:10
  is
• 14:10
  destroyed,
• 14:11
  who's
• 14:12
  going
• 14:12
  to
• 14:12
  come
• 14:12
  to
• 14:12
  like
• 14:12
  a
• 14:13
  purely
• 14:13
  educational
• 14:14
  academic
• 14:14
  symposium?
• 14:15
  Yeah.
• 14:15
  It's
• 14:15
  a
• 14:15
  very
• 14:16
  different
• 14:16
  market.
• 14:17
  Right.
• 14:17
  Yeah.
• 14:18
  Right.
• 14:18
  That's
• 14:19
  interesting.
• 14:20
  Wow.
• 14:20
  Wow.
• 14:20
  Okay,
• 14:21
  so
• 14:21
  I
• 14:22
  want
• 14:22
  to
• 14:22
  ask
• 14:22
  both
• 14:22
  you
• 14:22
  guys,
• 14:23
  you
• 14:23
  know,
• 14:23
  personally
• 14:24
  and
• 14:24
  I'll
• 14:24
  answer
• 14:25
  for
• 14:25
  myself
• 14:25
  as
• 14:25
  well.
• 14:25
  Like,
• 14:26
  how
• 14:26
  was
• 14:26
  the
• 14:26
  market
• 14:27
  for
• 14:27
  you?
• 14:27
  Do
• 14:28
  you
• 14:28
  think
• 14:28
  this
• 14:28
  was
• 14:28
  successful?
• 14:29
  Did
• 14:29
  it
• 14:29
  serve
• 14:30
  the
• 14:30
  purpose
• 14:30
  of
• 14:30
  you
• 14:31
  being
• 14:31
  here
• 14:32
  and,
• 14:32
  you
• 14:32
  know,
• 14:32
  what
• 14:32
  did
• 14:32
  you
• 14:33
  get
• 14:33
  out
• 14:33
  of
• 14:33
  it?
• 14:34
  Yeah,
• 14:34
  I
• 14:34
  mean,
• 14:35
  it
• 14:35
  was
• 14:35
  a.
• 14:35
  I
• 14:36
  found
• 14:36
  it
• 14:36
  a
• 14:36
  more
• 14:37
  productive
• 14:37
  market
• 14:37
  than
• 14:38
  last
• 14:38
  year,
• 14:40
  partly
• 14:40
  because
• 14:41
  I
• 14:41
  feel
• 14:41
  like
• 14:42
  in
• 14:43
  some
• 14:43
  ways
• 14:43
  the
• 14:43
  reduced
• 14:44
  amount
• 14:44
  of
• 14:44
  people
• 14:45
  here
• 14:45
  means
• 14:45
  that
• 14:45
  everyone's
• 14:46
  quite
• 14:46
  serious
• 14:46
  about
• 14:46
  trying
• 14:47
  to
• 14:47
  solve
• 14:48
  problems.
• 14:49
  Like
• 14:49
  anything.
• 14:50
  You're
• 14:50
  not
• 14:50
  really
• 14:51
  sure
• 14:51
  which
• 14:52
  meetings
• 14:53
  are
• 14:53
  going
• 14:53
  to
• 14:53
  result
• 14:54
  in
• 14:55
  something
• 14:56
  kind
• 14:56
  of
• 14:56
  material
• 14:57
  right
• 14:57
  at
• 14:57
  the
• 14:57
  end
• 14:58
  of
• 14:58
  it.
• 14:58
  But
• 14:59
  you're.
• 14:59
  But
• 15:00
  you're
• 15:00
  so
• 15:00
  in
• 15:00
  seeds
• 15:00
  that
• 15:01
  hopefully
• 15:01
  you
• 15:01
  kind
• 15:01
  of
• 15:01
  will
• 15:02
  turn
• 15:02
  into
• 15:02
  something.
• 15:02
  But
• 15:03
  it's
• 15:03
  on
• 15:03
  that
• 15:03
  case,
• 15:04
  to
• 15:04
  your
• 15:04
  point,
• 15:04
  it's
• 15:05
  not
• 15:05
  at
• 15:05
  all
• 15:06
  like
• 15:06
  the
• 15:06
  former
• 15:07
  kids
• 15:07
  screen
• 15:07
  was
• 15:08
  successful
• 15:08
  because
• 15:08
  I
• 15:08
  sold
• 15:09
  the
• 15:09
  show
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  this
• 15:09
  buyer.
• 15:10
  Yeah,
• 15:10
  yeah,
• 15:10
  yeah.
• 15:11
  Binary
• 15:11
  conversation's
• 15:12
  gone.
• 15:12
  Totally.
• 15:13
  But
• 15:13
  I
• 15:13
  just
• 15:13
  don't
• 15:13
  think
• 15:14
  that's
• 15:14
  happening.
• 15:14
  That
• 15:14
  hasn't
• 15:15
  happened
• 15:15
  for
• 15:15
  years.
• 15:15
  Right.
• 15:15
  Like,
• 15:16
  yeah,
• 15:16
  you
• 15:16
  know,
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  actual
• 15:18
  buying
• 15:18
  happens
• 15:19
  away.
• 15:20
  Like,
• 15:20
  it's
• 15:21
  the
• 15:21
  relationship
• 15:21
  build
• 15:21
  that
• 15:22
  happens
• 15:22
  here.
• 15:23
  And
• 15:23
  I
• 15:23
  have
• 15:23
  to
• 15:23
  say
• 15:23
  that's,
• 15:24
  you
• 15:24
  know,
• 15:24
  what
• 15:25
  is
• 15:25
  this
• 15:25
  better
• 15:25
  or
• 15:25
  worse
• 15:26
  than
• 15:26
  last
• 15:26
  year?
• 15:26
  For
• 15:26
  me,
• 15:26
  I'd
• 15:26
  say
• 15:27
  on
• 15:27
  par
• 15:27
  and
• 15:27
  different
• 15:27
  reasons
• 15:28
  or
• 15:28
  whatever.
• 15:30
  You
• 15:30
  know,
• 15:32
  I
• 15:32
  think
• 15:33
  we've
• 15:33
  spoken,
• 15:33
  Eric,
• 15:34
  about
• 15:34
  the
• 15:34
  mourning
• 15:34
  moment
• 15:36
  for
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  industry
• 15:36
  and
• 15:36
  where
• 15:37
  it
• 15:37
  is
• 15:37
  and
• 15:37
  having
• 15:37
  to
• 15:37
  kind
• 15:37
  of
• 15:38
  process
• 15:38
  those
• 15:38
  feelings.
• 15:39
  And
• 15:39
  I
• 15:39
  definitely
• 15:40
  finish
• 15:40
  off
• 15:40
  20,
• 15:40
  25
• 15:41
  in
• 15:42
  that
• 15:42
  moment,
• 15:45
  survived
• 15:45
  January,
• 15:46
  got
• 15:46
  a
• 15:46
  kid's
• 15:46
  screen
• 15:47
  and
• 15:47
  was
• 15:47
  like,
• 15:47
  ugh.
• 15:50
  But
• 15:50
  I'm
• 15:50
  leaving
• 15:51
  feeling
• 15:52
  better,
• 15:53
  reconnecting
• 15:53
  with
• 15:54
  people
• 15:54
  and
• 15:55
  like
• 15:55
  those.
• 15:56
  The
• 15:56
  opportunity,
• 15:57
  like
• 15:57
  buyer,
• 15:57
  seller,
• 15:58
  market.
• 15:58
  Yes.
• 15:58
  But
• 15:59
  it's
• 15:59
  not
• 15:59
  that
• 15:59
  anymore.
• 16:00
  It's
• 16:00
  like
• 16:00
  that
• 16:01
  opportunity
• 16:02
  to,
• 16:02
  you
• 16:03
  know,
• 16:03
  to
• 16:03
  just
• 16:03
  make
• 16:04
  a
• 16:04
  relationship
• 16:04
  deposit.
• 16:05
  Like,
• 16:05
  that's
• 16:06
  what
• 16:06
  this.
• 16:06
  That's
• 16:06
  what
• 16:06
  this
• 16:07
  gives.
• 16:07
  Make
• 16:07
  a
• 16:07
  relationship
• 16:08
  deposit.
• 16:08
  That's
• 16:08
  a
• 16:09
  great
• 16:09
  phrase.
• 16:10
  Great
• 16:10
  phrase.
• 16:10
  You
• 16:11
  know,
• 16:11
  because
• 16:11
  you
• 16:11
  don't.
• 16:12
  They'll
• 16:12
  pay
• 16:12
  off.
• 16:12
  You
• 16:13
  don't
• 16:13
  know
• 16:13
  when
• 16:13
  the.
• 16:13
  You
• 16:13
  don't
• 16:13
  know
• 16:13
  when
• 16:14
  the
• 16:14
  bond's
• 16:14
  going
• 16:14
  to
• 16:14
  come
• 16:14
  in.
• 16:14
  Right.
• 16:15
  And
• 16:15
  it
• 16:15
  might
• 16:16
  never
• 16:16
  come
• 16:16
  in,
• 16:16
  but,
• 16:16
  like,
• 16:16
  you've
• 16:17
  had
• 16:17
  an
• 16:17
  assumption
• 16:17
  you've
• 16:18
  met.
• 16:19
  You
• 16:19
  know,
• 16:19
  it's
• 16:19
  all
• 16:19
  those
• 16:20
  connections
• 16:20
  that
• 16:20
  come
• 16:20
  through
• 16:21
  that,
• 16:21
  you
• 16:21
  know.
• 16:21
  Yeah,
• 16:22
  they're
• 16:22
  really.
• 16:22
  I
• 16:23
  totally
• 16:23
  agree
• 16:23
  with
• 16:23
  you.
• 16:23
  And
• 16:23
  I
• 16:23
  mean,
• 16:24
  there
• 16:24
  was
• 16:24
  an
• 16:24
  article
• 16:24
  written
• 16:25
  many,
• 16:25
  many
• 16:25
  years
• 16:25
  ago
• 16:26
  called
• 16:26
  Take
• 16:26
  the
• 16:26
  Damn
• 16:27
  Lunch.
• 16:27
  It
• 16:28
  was
• 16:28
  in
• 16:28
  an
• 16:28
  animation
• 16:28
  magazine,
• 16:29
  like
• 16:29
  in
• 16:29
  the
• 16:29
  90s,
• 16:30
  and
• 16:30
  it
• 16:30
  was
• 16:30
  like,
• 16:30
  people
• 16:31
  don't
• 16:31
  do
• 16:31
  deals
• 16:32
  with
• 16:32
  people
• 16:32
  you
• 16:32
  haven't
• 16:33
  sat
• 16:33
  down
• 16:33
  and
• 16:33
  had
• 16:33
  a
• 16:33
  meal
• 16:33
  with.
• 16:34
  Yes.
• 16:34
  And
• 16:35
  the
• 16:35
  fact
• 16:35
  that
• 16:35
  you
• 16:35
  could
• 16:35
  just
• 16:35
  like
• 16:35
  sit
• 16:36
  and
• 16:36
  have
• 16:36
  a
• 16:36
  drink
• 16:36
  and,
• 16:37
  you
• 16:37
  know,
• 16:37
  walk
• 16:37
  around
• 16:37
  casually
• 16:38
  and
• 16:38
  just.
• 16:38
  You
• 16:39
  kind
• 16:39
  of
• 16:39
  get
• 16:39
  to
• 16:39
  see
• 16:39
  what
• 16:39
  that
• 16:40
  full
• 16:40
  person
• 16:40
  is
• 16:41
  about.
• 16:41
  Yes.
• 16:42
  That
• 16:42
  will
• 16:42
  change
• 16:43
  your
• 16:43
  decision
• 16:43
  on
• 16:43
  whether
• 16:44
  or
• 16:44
  not
• 16:44
  you
• 16:44
  buy
• 16:44
  or
• 16:45
  work
• 16:45
  with
• 16:45
  them
• 16:45
  later
• 16:46
  for
• 16:46
  all
• 16:47
  kinds
• 16:47
  of,
• 16:48
  you
• 16:48
  know,
• 16:49
  invariable
• 16:49
  reasons
• 16:50
  and
• 16:50
  you
• 16:50
  know,
• 16:51
  amorphous
• 16:52
  reasons
• 16:52
  that
• 16:52
  had
• 16:52
  nothing
• 16:52
  to
• 16:53
  do
• 16:53
  with
• 16:53
  the
• 16:53
  content.
• 16:53
  Yeah.
• 16:54
  But
• 16:54
  then
• 16:54
  it's
• 16:55
  like
• 16:55
  should,
• 16:55
  should
• 16:56
  the
• 16:56
  objective
• 16:56
  of
• 16:57
  the
• 16:57
  conference
• 16:57
  be
• 16:57
  repitched?
• 16:58
  Right.
• 16:58
  Like
• 16:58
  it's
• 16:58
  not
• 16:59
  a
• 16:59
  buyer,
• 16:59
  seller
• 16:59
  market.
• 17:00
  Right.
• 17:00
  No.
• 17:00
  No
• 17:00
  one's
• 17:01
  going
• 17:01
  to
• 17:01
  buy
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  meeting
• 17:01
  in
• 17:01
  a
• 17:01
  speed
• 17:02
  pitch.
• 17:02
  Right.
• 17:02
  Or
• 17:02
  say
• 17:02
  buy,
• 17:03
  buy
• 17:03
  a.
• 17:03
  Buy,
• 17:03
  buy
• 17:04
  a
• 17:04
  series.
• 17:05
  Yeah.
• 17:05
  Right.
• 17:06
  Like
• 17:06
  they're
• 17:06
  just,
• 17:06
  it's
• 17:07
  just
• 17:07
  not
• 17:07
  going
• 17:07
  to
• 17:07
  happen.
• 17:07
  Right.
• 17:08
  Like.
• 17:08
  Yes,
• 17:09
  the
• 17:09
  opportunity
• 17:10
  to
• 17:10
  meet
• 17:10
  somebody
• 17:10
  is,
• 17:11
  is
• 17:11
  really
• 17:11
  solid.
• 17:12
  I
• 17:13
  think
• 17:13
  like
• 17:14
  the,
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  drinks
• 17:14
  and
• 17:15
  the
• 17:15
  mixes
• 17:15
  that
• 17:15
  they're
• 17:15
  doing,
• 17:16
  like
• 17:16
  that's,
• 17:16
  that's
• 17:17
  where
• 17:18
  relationships
• 17:18
  can
• 17:18
  build
• 17:19
  a
• 17:19
  bit
• 17:20
  and
• 17:20
  that's,
• 17:21
  that's
• 17:21
  what's
• 17:21
  being
• 17:22
  offered
• 17:22
  rather
• 17:22
  than
• 17:23
  some
• 17:23
  sort
• 17:23
  of,
• 17:23
  you're
• 17:23
  going
• 17:23
  to
• 17:23
  come
• 17:24
  in,
• 17:24
  you're
• 17:24
  going
• 17:24
  to
• 17:24
  sign
• 17:25
  on
• 17:25
  the
• 17:25
  dotted
• 17:25
  line
• 17:25
  and
• 17:26
  you're
• 17:26
  going
• 17:26
  to
• 17:26
  go
• 17:26
  home
• 17:26
  with
• 17:27
  that,
• 17:27
  with
• 17:27
  that
• 17:27
  objective
• 17:27
  fulfilled.
• 17:28
  That's.
• 17:28
  And
• 17:28
  I
• 17:29
  think
• 17:29
  that's
• 17:29
  what
• 17:29
  a
• 17:29
  lot
• 17:29
  of
• 17:29
  the,
• 17:29
  the,
• 17:30
  the
• 17:30
  first
• 17:30
  timers
• 17:31
  will
• 17:31
  think.
• 17:31
  Yeah.
• 17:32
  But
• 17:32
  maybe
• 17:32
  it'll
• 17:33
  change.
• 17:33
  I
• 17:33
  don't
• 17:33
  know.
• 17:33
  I
• 17:34
  don't
• 17:34
  know.
• 17:34
  Well,
• 17:34
  I,
• 17:34
  I
• 17:35
  want
• 17:35
  to
• 17:35
  speak
• 17:35
  to
• 17:35
  one
• 17:35
  thing
• 17:35
  so
• 17:36
  I,
• 17:36
  I
• 17:37
  feel,
• 17:38
  I'm
• 17:38
  going
• 17:38
  to
• 17:39
  feel
• 17:39
  very
• 17:39
  excited
• 17:40
  because
• 17:40
  this
• 17:40
  is
• 17:40
  my
• 17:41
  best
• 17:41
  year
• 17:41
  ever.
• 17:42
  Oh
• 17:42
  yeah.
• 17:42
  It
• 17:43
  really,
• 17:43
  really
• 17:43
  isn't
• 17:43
  my
• 17:44
  best
• 17:44
  year
• 17:44
  ever.
• 17:44
  Like,
• 17:44
  you
• 17:45
  know,
• 17:45
  for
• 17:45
  a
• 17:45
  couple
• 17:45
  reasons.
• 17:46
  One
• 17:46
  is,
• 17:47
  you
• 17:47
  know,
• 17:47
  I've
• 17:47
  been
• 17:47
  in
• 17:48
  a
• 17:48
  full
• 17:48
  time
• 17:48
  company
• 17:48
  for
• 17:48
  four
• 17:49
  years
• 17:49
  prior
• 17:49
  to
• 17:49
  this
• 17:50
  that
• 17:50
  was
• 17:50
  kind
• 17:50
  of
• 17:51
  adjacent
• 17:51
  to
• 17:51
  the
• 17:51
  kids
• 17:52
  media
• 17:52
  business
• 17:52
  but
• 17:53
  trying
• 17:53
  to
• 17:53
  get
• 17:53
  in.
• 17:53
  But
• 17:54
  you
• 17:54
  know,
• 17:54
  I
• 17:54
  was
• 17:54
  one
• 17:54
  of
• 17:55
  their
• 17:55
  like
• 17:55
  more
• 17:55
  experienced
• 17:56
  players
• 17:56
  in
• 17:56
  that
• 17:56
  and
• 17:57
  I
• 17:57
  just
• 17:57
  felt
• 17:57
  like
• 17:58
  the
• 17:58
  shackles
• 17:58
  were
• 17:58
  off
• 17:59
  this
• 17:59
  year
• 18:00
  and
• 18:00
  I
• 18:00
  could
• 18:01
  just
• 18:01
  roam
• 18:01
  and
• 18:01
  do
• 18:01
  whatever
• 18:02
  I
• 18:02
  felt
• 18:02
  like
• 18:02
  doing.
• 18:02
  Calderon
• 18:03
  could
• 18:03
  Calderon.
• 18:05
  And
• 18:05
  I
• 18:05
  could
• 18:05
  really,
• 18:06
  you
• 18:06
  know,
• 18:06
  speak
• 18:06
  my
• 18:07
  message
• 18:07
  and
• 18:07
  speak
• 18:07
  my
• 18:08
  brand
• 18:08
  and
• 18:09
  talk
• 18:09
  about
• 18:09
  the
• 18:09
  kind
• 18:10
  of
• 18:10
  relations
• 18:10
  I
• 18:11
  could
• 18:11
  put
• 18:11
  together,
• 18:11
  which
• 18:12
  I
• 18:12
  think
• 18:12
  are
• 18:13
  a
• 18:13
  lot
• 18:13
  more
• 18:13
  of
• 18:13
  like
• 18:13
  piecemeal
• 18:14
  of
• 18:15
  little
• 18:15
  victories
• 18:16
  and
• 18:16
  wins.
• 18:16
  Yeah.
• 18:17
  That
• 18:17
  maybe
• 18:18
  will
• 18:18
  add
• 18:18
  up
• 18:18
  to
• 18:18
  a
• 18:18
  full
• 18:18
  time
• 18:19
  paycheck
• 18:19
  over
• 18:19
  time.
• 18:20
  Yeah.
• 18:20
  But
• 18:21
  I
• 18:21
  just
• 18:21
  couldn't
• 18:21
  do
• 18:21
  this
• 18:22
  kind
• 18:22
  of
• 18:22
  small
• 18:22
  and
• 18:22
  medium
• 18:23
  sized
• 18:23
  deals.
• 18:24
  Yeah.
• 18:24
  And
• 18:24
  then
• 18:24
  it's
• 18:25
  like,
• 18:25
  you
• 18:26
  know,
• 18:26
  they
• 18:26
  gave
• 18:26
  me
• 18:26
  the
• 18:26
  anime
• 18:27
  panel
• 18:27
  at
• 18:27
  like
• 18:28
  the
• 18:28
  first
• 18:28
  day
• 18:28
  at
• 18:28
  9:45.
• 18:29
  Yeah.
• 18:29
  And
• 18:30
  I
• 18:30
  was
• 18:30
  like,
• 18:30
  no
• 18:30
  one's
• 18:30
  going
• 18:30
  to
• 18:30
  show
• 18:30
  up.
• 18:31
  Yeah.
• 18:31
  It
• 18:32
  was
• 18:32
  like
• 18:32
  a
• 18:32
  full
• 18:32
  house.
• 18:33
  Yeah.
• 18:33
  And
• 18:34
  I've
• 18:34
  been
• 18:34
  getting
• 18:34
  high
• 18:34
  fives
• 18:35
  like
• 18:35
  all
• 18:35
  week
• 18:35
  of
• 18:36
  like
• 18:36
  the
• 18:36
  anime
• 18:36
  panel
• 18:37
  of
• 18:37
  course.
• 18:37
  And
• 18:38
  I
• 18:38
  was
• 18:38
  like,
• 18:38
  this
• 18:38
  is
• 18:39
  great.
• 18:39
  I'm
• 18:39
  like.
• 18:40
  And
• 18:40
  then,
• 18:40
  you
• 18:40
  know,
• 18:40
  Surviving
• 18:41
  Animation
• 18:41
  gets
• 18:42
  its
• 18:42
  own
• 18:42
  panel,
• 18:43
  like
• 18:43
  a
• 18:43
  Tuesday
• 18:43
  at
• 18:43
  2
• 18:44
  o'.
• 18:44
  Clock.
• 18:44
  So,
• 18:45
  yeah,
• 18:45
  I
• 18:45
  don't
• 18:46
  know.
• 18:46
  It's
• 18:46
  crazy.
• 18:47
  I
• 18:47
  just
• 18:47
  feel
• 18:48
  like
• 18:48
  I've
• 18:48
  never
• 18:48
  felt
• 18:49
  this
• 18:49
  visible.
• 18:50
  Yes.
• 18:50
  And,
• 18:51
  you
• 18:51
  know,
• 18:51
  people
• 18:51
  saying,
• 18:52
  like,
• 18:52
  oh,
• 18:52
  I've
• 18:52
  watched
• 18:52
  your
• 18:52
  channel
• 18:53
  and
• 18:53
  I
• 18:53
  follow
• 18:53
  your
• 18:54
  stuff.
• 18:54
  And
• 18:55
  it
• 18:55
  kind
• 18:55
  of
• 18:56
  dawned
• 18:56
  on
• 18:56
  me
• 18:56
  after
• 18:57
  talking
• 18:57
  with
• 18:57
  everyone
• 18:58
  this
• 18:58
  week
• 18:58
  that
• 18:59
  the
• 19:00
  purpose
• 19:00
  of
• 19:00
  what
• 19:00
  I'm
• 19:01
  doing
• 19:01
  on
• 19:01
  Surviving
• 19:01
  Animation,
• 19:02
  the
• 19:02
  purpose
• 19:02
  of
• 19:02
  what
• 19:02
  I'm
• 19:03
  doing
• 19:03
  outside
• 19:04
  of
• 19:04
  the
• 19:04
  day
• 19:04
  job
• 19:04
  on
• 19:04
  social
• 19:05
  media
• 19:05
  is
• 19:06
  to
• 19:06
  make
• 19:06
  sure
• 19:06
  that
• 19:06
  the
• 19:06
  water
• 19:07
  cooler
• 19:07
  is
• 19:08
  still
• 19:08
  there.
• 19:08
  Yeah,
• 19:09
  absolutely.
• 19:09
  And,
• 19:10
  you
• 19:10
  know,
• 19:10
  I'm
• 19:10
  not
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  smartest
• 19:11
  guy
• 19:11
  in
• 19:11
  the
• 19:11
  room,
• 19:11
  but
• 19:12
  the
• 19:12
  most
• 19:12
  informed.
• 19:12
  But,
• 19:13
  like,
• 19:13
  I'm
• 19:14
  a
• 19:14
  veteran,
• 19:14
  like
• 19:14
  yourselves.
• 19:15
  I
• 19:15
  can,
• 19:16
  like,
• 19:16
  start
• 19:16
  a
• 19:16
  conversation,
• 19:17
  have
• 19:18
  an
• 19:18
  opinion,
• 19:18
  and
• 19:18
  then
• 19:18
  let
• 19:19
  it.
• 19:19
  Let
• 19:19
  it
• 19:19
  roll.
• 19:20
  Absolutely.
• 19:20
  And
• 19:21
  that
• 19:21
  got
• 19:21
  me
• 19:21
  so
• 19:21
  excited.
• 19:22
  It's
• 19:22
  like,
• 19:22
  I've
• 19:22
  got
• 19:22
  a
• 19:22
  new
• 19:23
  mission
• 19:23
  purpose
• 19:24
  for
• 19:24
  Surviving
• 19:25
  Animation,
• 19:25
  which
• 19:25
  is
• 19:25
  just
• 19:25
  keep
• 19:26
  the
• 19:26
  water
• 19:26
  cooler
• 19:26
  going.
• 19:26
  Yeah.
• 19:27
  100%
• 19:27
  on
• 19:28
  the
• 19:28
  water
• 19:28
  cooler.
• 19:28
  And
• 19:29
  not
• 19:29
  that
• 19:29
  it's
• 19:30
  not.
• 19:30
  Not
• 19:30
  that
• 19:30
  it's
• 19:30
  a
• 19:30
  competition,
• 19:31
  but
• 19:31
  like,
• 19:31
  yeah,
• 19:31
  definitely.
• 19:33
  This
• 19:33
  is.
• 19:33
  The
• 19:33
  Water
• 19:34
  Cooler
• 19:34
  Club
• 19:34
  podcast
• 19:35
  were
• 19:35
  awesome.
• 19:36
  We
• 19:36
  really
• 19:37
  appreciate
• 19:37
  everybody
• 19:38
  who
• 19:38
  reached
• 19:39
  out.
• 19:39
  Yeah.
• 19:40
  Like,
• 19:40
  it
• 19:40
  was
• 19:40
  just.
• 19:41
  It's
• 19:41
  really
• 19:41
  overwhelming.
• 19:42
  And
• 19:43
  it
• 19:43
  shows
• 19:43
  the
• 19:43
  need
• 19:43
  for
• 19:44
  these
• 19:44
  kind
• 19:44
  of
• 19:44
  conversations
• 19:45
  to
• 19:45
  happen,
• 19:45
  for
• 19:46
  them
• 19:46
  to
• 19:46
  be
• 19:46
  smart
• 19:46
  and
• 19:47
  informed
• 19:47
  and,
• 19:47
  like,
• 19:48
  really
• 19:48
  pull
• 19:48
  the
• 19:48
  problem
• 19:49
  apart.
• 19:49
  Wait,
• 19:50
  are
• 19:50
  we
• 19:50
  not
• 19:50
  winners?
• 19:50
  We're
• 19:51
  the
• 19:51
  winners.
• 19:52
  It's
• 19:52
  the.
• 19:52
  It's
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  kids.
• 19:53
  You
• 19:53
  know,
• 19:53
  the
• 19:53
  Club
• 19:54
  Podcast
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  Surviving
• 19:54
  Animation
• 19:55
  are
• 19:55
  the.
• 19:56
  The
• 19:56
  water
• 19:56
  coolers.
• 19:57
  The
• 19:57
  person
• 19:57
  who
• 19:57
  can
• 19:57
  fix
• 19:57
  the
• 19:57
  landscape
• 19:58
  is
• 19:58
  the
• 19:58
  moon.
• 19:59
  Yes.
• 19:59
  Right.
• 19:59
  Oh,
• 20:00
  that's
• 20:00
  right.
• 20:00
  That's
• 20:00
  right.
• 20:01
  We're
• 20:01
  just
• 20:01
  the
• 20:02
  pundits.
• 20:02
  We're
• 20:03
  the
• 20:03
  pundits.
• 20:03
  Waiting
• 20:03
  for
• 20:03
  someone.
• 20:04
  Yeah.
• 20:04
  Yeah.
• 20:04
  But
• 20:05
  Emily
• 20:05
  Morgan
• 20:06
  has
• 20:06
  a
• 20:06
  solution
• 20:07
  for
• 20:07
  a
• 20:07
  certain
• 20:07
  consultation
• 20:08
  fee.
• 20:09
  You
• 20:09
  got
• 20:09
  the
• 20:09
  solution
• 20:10
  to
• 20:10
  all
• 20:10
  the
• 20:10
  problems?
• 20:11
  Yeah,
• 20:11
  yeah,
• 20:11
  exactly.
• 20:12
  Yeah,
• 20:12
  I've
• 20:13
  got
• 20:13
  it.
• 20:13
  I've
• 20:13
  got
• 20:13
  it.
• 20:14
  I'm
• 20:14
  taking
• 20:14
  it
• 20:14
  back
• 20:14
  to
• 20:14
  Dublin
• 20:15
  with
• 20:15
  me.
• 20:15
  Call
• 20:15
  me.
• 20:16
  That's
• 20:16
  great.
• 20:17
  Well,
• 20:17
  I
• 20:17
  also
• 20:17
  got
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  take
• 20:18
  a
• 20:18
  moment
• 20:18
  to
• 20:18
  tell
• 20:19
  everyone
• 20:19
  that
• 20:19
  we
• 20:19
  miss
• 20:19
  Jo.
• 20:21
  Hi,
• 20:21
  Jo.
• 20:22
  We
• 20:22
  miss
• 20:22
  Joe.
• 20:23
  We'll
• 20:24
  see
• 20:24
  you
• 20:24
  when
• 20:24
  we
• 20:24
  get
• 20:24
  home.
• 20:25
  Yeah.
• 20:25
  Yeah.
• 20:25
  We
• 20:25
  hope
• 20:26
  she
• 20:26
  can
• 20:26
  join
• 20:26
  the
• 20:27
  next
• 20:27
  one.
• 20:27
  Yeah.
• 20:28
  All
• 20:28
  right.
• 20:28
  Any.
• 20:28
  Any
• 20:28
  closing
• 20:29
  thoughts?
• 20:29
  What.
• 20:29
  What
• 20:29
  do
• 20:29
  you
• 20:29
  guys
• 20:29
  think?
• 20:30
  Anything
• 20:30
  you
• 20:30
  want
• 20:30
  to
• 20:30
  say
• 20:31
  at
• 20:31
  the
• 20:31
  end
• 20:31
  of
• 20:32
  this
• 20:32
  episode?
• 20:32
  What's.
• 20:33
  What's
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  rest
• 20:34
  of
• 20:34
  the
• 20:34
  year
• 20:34
  looking
• 20:34
  like
• 20:34
  for
• 20:34
  you?
• 20:35
  And
• 20:35
  any
• 20:35
  big
• 20:35
  surprises
• 20:36
  at
• 20:36
  Kids
• 20:36
  Screen?
• 20:37
  Just
• 20:37
  a
• 20:37
  little.
• 20:38
  A
• 20:38
  little.
• 20:38
  I
• 20:38
  think
• 20:38
  it's
• 20:39
  just
• 20:39
  like,
• 20:39
  let's
• 20:39
  get
• 20:39
  on
• 20:39
  with
• 20:39
  it.
• 20:40
  I
• 20:40
  mean,
• 20:40
  I
• 20:40
  wrote,
• 20:40
  I
• 20:40
  wrote
• 20:41
  to.
• 20:41
  I
• 20:41
  wrote,
• 20:41
  I
• 20:42
  wrote,
• 20:43
  I
• 20:43
  wrote
• 20:43
  a
• 20:43
  newsletter
• 20:43
  for
• 20:44
  my
• 20:44
  Subsack
• 20:45
  the
• 20:45
  kids
• 20:45
  streamer
• 20:45
  sphere
• 20:46
  and
• 20:46
  it
• 20:46
  was
• 20:46
  like
• 20:47
  is
• 20:48
  it
• 20:49
  does
• 20:49
  survive
• 20:49
  to
• 20:49
  25
• 20:50
  become
• 20:50
  shipwrecks
• 20:51
  in
• 20:51
  2026.
• 20:52
  That's
• 20:53
  the
• 20:53
  other
• 20:53
  T
• 20:53
  shirt
• 20:53
  getting
• 20:54
  printed.
• 20:54
  Just
• 20:55
  like
• 20:55
  a
• 20:55
  logo
• 20:55
  machine.
• 20:56
  Amazing.
• 20:57
  Yeah.
• 20:57
  But
• 20:58
  I
• 20:58
  don't
• 20:58
  know,
• 20:58
  I
• 20:58
  feel
• 20:59
  like
• 20:59
  I
• 21:00
  over
• 21:00
  myself.
• 21:00
  Like
• 21:01
  it's
• 21:01
  find
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  fix
• 21:02
  in
• 21:02
  2026.
• 21:02
  Let's
• 21:03
  just
• 21:03
  get
• 21:03
  on
• 21:03
  with
• 21:03
  it.
• 21:03
  Let's
• 21:04
  just
• 21:04
  get
• 21:04
  on
• 21:04
  with
• 21:04
  it.
• 21:04
  Right?
• 21:05
  That's.
• 21:05
  That's
• 21:06
  where
• 21:06
  I
• 21:06
  am.
• 21:06
  That's
• 21:07
  where
• 21:07
  I
• 21:07
  am.
• 21:07
  And
• 21:07
  let's
• 21:07
  get
• 21:07
  on
• 21:07
  with
• 21:07
  everything.
• 21:08
  Like,
• 21:08
  let's
• 21:08
  get
• 21:08
  on
• 21:08
  with
• 21:09
  like
• 21:10
  building
• 21:10
  these
• 21:10
  water
• 21:11
  coolers
• 21:11
  together.
• 21:11
  Let's
• 21:12
  get
• 21:12
  on
• 21:12
  with
• 21:12
  getting
• 21:12
  some
• 21:13
  deals
• 21:13
  done
• 21:13
  together
• 21:15
  and.
• 21:15
  And
• 21:15
  leaning
• 21:15
  on
• 21:16
  the
• 21:16
  great
• 21:16
  relationships
• 21:16
  that
• 21:16
  are
• 21:16
  out
• 21:16
  there
• 21:17
  in
• 21:17
  the
• 21:17
  industry.
• 21:17
  Got
• 21:17
  it,
• 21:18
  Got
• 21:18
  it.
• 21:18
  All
• 21:18
  right,
• 21:18
  Andy,
• 21:18
  are
• 21:19
  you
• 21:19
  team
• 21:19
  breaks
• 21:20
  in
• 21:20
  2026.
• 21:21
  Let's
• 21:21
  fix
• 21:22
  2026.
• 21:23
  Basically
• 21:24
  it's
• 21:24
  fixable
• 21:24
  or
• 21:25
  we
• 21:26
  know
• 21:26
  what
• 21:26
  the
• 21:26
  problem
• 21:26
  is.
• 21:26
  Everyone's
• 21:27
  got
• 21:27
  to
• 21:27
  get
• 21:27
  their
• 21:27
  heads
• 21:27
  around
• 21:29
  what
• 21:29
  the
• 21:29
  solution
• 21:29
  is.
• 21:29
  Yeah.
• 21:30
  And
• 21:30
  I've
• 21:31
  already
• 21:31
  decided
• 21:31
  that
• 21:31
  we're
• 21:32
  going
• 21:32
  to
• 21:32
  have
• 21:32
  to
• 21:32
  get
• 21:32
  caps
• 21:33
  printed
• 21:33
  but
• 21:34
  with
• 21:34
  ship
• 21:34
  breaks
• 21:35
  in
• 21:35
  26
• 21:36
  and
• 21:36
  no
• 21:36
  free
• 21:37
  consultations.
• 21:38
  Yeah.
• 21:38
  I
• 21:39
  just
• 21:39
  snore.
• 21:40
  Yeah.
• 21:40
  Joe,
• 21:41
  we're
• 21:41
  coming
• 21:41
  back
• 21:41
  with
• 21:42
  the
• 21:42
  next
• 21:42
  plan.
• 21:42
  We're
• 21:42
  coming
• 21:43
  back
• 21:43
  with
• 21:43
  the
• 21:43
  merch
• 21:43
  planet.
• 21:44
  The
• 21:44
  merchandise
• 21:44
  is
• 21:44
  sorted.
• 21:45
  Well,
• 21:46
  one
• 21:46
  thing
• 21:46
  I
• 21:46
  want
• 21:46
  to
• 21:46
  say,
• 21:47
  and
• 21:47
  I
• 21:47
  think
• 21:47
  this
• 21:47
  has
• 21:47
  been
• 21:48
  my
• 21:48
  theme
• 21:48
  moving
• 21:49
  forward,
• 21:49
  is
• 21:49
  I
• 21:49
  realize
• 21:49
  that
• 21:50
  the
• 21:50
  people
• 21:50
  who
• 21:50
  are
• 21:51
  going
• 21:51
  to
• 21:51
  win,
• 21:51
  the
• 21:51
  people
• 21:51
  are
• 21:51
  going
• 21:52
  to
• 21:52
  really
• 21:52
  make
• 21:52
  it
• 21:52
  as
• 21:53
  we
• 21:53
  go
• 21:53
  forward,
• 21:54
  are
• 21:54
  going
• 21:54
  to
• 21:54
  be
• 21:54
  people
• 21:55
  who
• 21:55
  dive
• 21:55
  into
• 21:55
  a
• 21:56
  couple
• 21:56
  new
• 21:56
  areas
• 21:56
  they've
• 21:56
  never
• 21:57
  done
• 21:57
  before
• 21:58
  and
• 21:58
  just
• 21:58
  make
• 21:58
  a
• 21:59
  bunch
• 21:59
  of
• 21:59
  mistakes
• 22:00
  succeed.
• 22:00
  But
• 22:01
  no
• 22:01
  one
• 22:01
  can
• 22:01
  be
• 22:01
  the
• 22:02
  classic
• 22:02
  development
• 22:03
  exec
• 22:03
  of
• 22:04
  oh
• 22:04
  who's
• 22:04
  going
• 22:04
  to
• 22:04
  read
• 22:05
  your
• 22:05
  notes
• 22:05
  and
• 22:06
  we'll
• 22:06
  pitch
• 22:06
  it
• 22:06
  and
• 22:07
  you'll
• 22:07
  get
• 22:07
  sold
• 22:07
  and
• 22:08
  no
• 22:08
  one's
• 22:08
  going
• 22:08
  to
• 22:08
  be
• 22:08
  like
• 22:09
  the.
• 22:09
  I'm
• 22:09
  the
• 22:10
  single
• 22:11
  skill
• 22:12
  entrepreneur.
• 22:13
  Yeah.
• 22:14
  That
• 22:14
  doesn't
• 22:15
  happen.
• 22:15
  Doesn't
• 22:15
  happen.
• 22:16
  The
• 22:16
  producer
• 22:16
  at
• 22:17
  Economy
• 22:17
  of
• 22:17
  the
• 22:17
  Creator
• 22:18
  economy
• 22:18
  are
• 22:18
  colliding.
• 22:19
  You
• 22:19
  need
• 22:19
  to
• 22:19
  know
• 22:19
  how
• 22:19
  to
• 22:19
  do
• 22:20
  everything.
• 22:20
  And
• 22:20
  the
• 22:20
  most
• 22:21
  exciting
• 22:21
  animation
• 22:22
  studios
• 22:22
  I
• 22:22
  speak
• 22:23
  spoke
• 22:23
  to
• 22:23
  this
• 22:23
  week
• 22:23
  were
• 22:24
  the
• 22:24
  ones
• 22:24
  who
• 22:24
  are
• 22:25
  finding
• 22:25
  a
• 22:25
  way
• 22:25
  to
• 22:26
  make
• 22:26
  it
• 22:26
  work
• 22:26
  on
• 22:27
  other
• 22:27
  platforms.
• 22:27
  Yes.
• 22:28
  In.
• 22:29
  In.
• 22:29
  In
• 22:29
  small
• 22:29
  capacity,
• 22:30
  in
• 22:30
  medium
• 22:30
  capacity,
• 22:31
  in
• 22:31
  big
• 22:31
  capacity,
• 22:32
  but
• 22:32
  in
• 22:33
  a
• 22:33
  real
• 22:33
  capacity,
• 22:34
  not
• 22:34
  just
• 22:35
  like
• 22:35
  attending.
• 22:36
  Attending
• 22:36
  the
• 22:36
  YouTube
• 22:37
  information
• 22:37
  session
• 22:37
  at
• 22:38
  Kids
• 22:38
  Green
• 22:38
  no
• 22:38
  longer
• 22:38
  ticks
• 22:39
  your
• 22:39
  YouTube
• 22:39
  strategy
• 22:39
  box.
• 22:40
  You
• 22:40
  need
• 22:40
  to
• 22:40
  be
• 22:40
  doing
• 22:41
  right.
• 22:41
  You
• 22:41
  need
• 22:41
  to
• 22:41
  be
• 22:41
  doing.
• 22:42
  Yeah.
• 22:42
  And
• 22:42
  failing
• 22:43
  and
• 22:43
  trying
• 22:43
  it
• 22:43
  and
• 22:43
  learning.
• 22:44
  Yeah.
• 22:44
  And
• 22:44
  I'll
• 22:45
  do
• 22:45
  the.
• 22:45
  The
• 22:45
  counter
• 22:45
  side
• 22:45
  of
• 22:46
  that.
• 22:46
  A
• 22:46
  couple
• 22:46
  of
• 22:46
  studios
• 22:46
  that
• 22:46
  I
• 22:47
  met
• 22:47
  this
• 22:47
  week
• 22:47
  who
• 22:48
  admitted
• 22:48
  they
• 22:48
  were
• 22:49
  failing
• 22:49
  in
• 22:49
  those
• 22:49
  Platforms.
• 22:50
  Okay.
• 22:50
  And
• 22:50
  trying
• 22:51
  to
• 22:51
  do
• 22:51
  those
• 22:51
  social
• 22:51
  platforms
• 22:52
  and
• 22:52
  is
• 22:52
  because
• 22:52
  they
• 22:53
  were
• 22:53
  trying
• 22:53
  to
• 22:53
  jam
• 22:54
  an
• 22:54
  old
• 22:54
  school
• 22:55
  podcast
• 22:56
  promotional
• 22:56
  strategy
• 22:58
  to
• 22:58
  YouTube
• 22:58
  and
• 22:58
  it
• 22:58
  doesn't
• 22:59
  work.
• 22:59
  Nope.
• 23:00
  So
• 23:00
  you
• 23:00
  got
• 23:00
  to
• 23:00
  speak
• 23:00
  natively
• 23:01
  on
• 23:01
  each
• 23:01
  platform,
• 23:02
  and
• 23:03
  I
• 23:03
  think
• 23:03
  you've
• 23:03
  got
• 23:03
  to
• 23:03
  approach
• 23:03
  it
• 23:04
  with
• 23:04
  humility
• 23:04
  as
• 23:04
  well.
• 23:05
  One
• 23:05
  of
• 23:05
  the
• 23:05
  things
• 23:05
  I
• 23:06
  find
• 23:06
  really
• 23:06
  inspiring
• 23:07
  about
• 23:07
  the
• 23:07
  work
• 23:08
  that
• 23:08
  you
• 23:08
  do
• 23:08
  is
• 23:08
  that
• 23:08
  you
• 23:09
  kind
• 23:09
  of
• 23:09
  approach
• 23:09
  it
• 23:10
  with
• 23:10
  you.
• 23:11
  You
• 23:11
  approach
• 23:12
  it
• 23:12
  with
• 23:12
  humility
• 23:12
  and
• 23:13
  confidence,
• 23:13
  if
• 23:13
  that
• 23:14
  makes
• 23:14
  sense.
• 23:14
  Yeah,
• 23:14
  yeah.
• 23:14
  I'm
• 23:15
  a
• 23:15
  learner
• 23:15
  with
• 23:16
  endless
• 23:16
  endurance.
• 23:17
  Yeah.
• 23:17
  You
• 23:17
  know,
• 23:18
  so,
• 23:18
  like,
• 23:18
  when
• 23:18
  I
• 23:18
  launched
• 23:19
  my
• 23:19
  initial,
• 23:19
  you
• 23:19
  know,
• 23:19
  my
• 23:20
  blanket
• 23:21
  thing
• 23:21
  with
• 23:21
  flow
• 23:22
  and,
• 23:22
  you
• 23:22
  know,
• 23:22
  doing
• 23:22
  the
• 23:23
  flow
• 23:23
  throw
• 23:23
  as
• 23:23
  a
• 23:23
  license
• 23:24
  and
• 23:24
  merchandise
• 23:24
  program,
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  just
• 23:26
  made
• 23:26
  so
• 23:26
  many
• 23:26
  mistakes
• 23:26
  along
• 23:27
  the
• 23:27
  way.
• 23:27
  I
• 23:27
  lost
• 23:27
  so
• 23:27
  much
• 23:27
  money
• 23:28
  in
• 23:28
  the
• 23:28
  first
• 23:28
  couple
• 23:28
  weeks,
• 23:29
  but
• 23:29
  I
• 23:29
  just
• 23:29
  get
• 23:29
  up
• 23:30
  again
• 23:30
  and
• 23:30
  just
• 23:30
  keep
• 23:30
  typing.
• 23:31
  Keep
• 23:32
  trying.
• 23:32
  Yeah.
• 23:32
  Oh,
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  worked.
• 23:33
  Those
• 23:34
  three
• 23:34
  didn't,
• 23:34
  but
• 23:34
  that
• 23:35
  worked.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:36
  over
• 23:36
  time,
• 23:36
  I
• 23:37
  kind
• 23:37
  of.
• 23:37
  Absolutely.
• 23:38
  Yeah,
• 23:38
  yeah.
• 23:38
  And
• 23:39
  I
• 23:39
  think
• 23:39
  there's
• 23:39
  a
• 23:39
  lot
• 23:40
  of
• 23:40
  studios
• 23:40
  that
• 23:40
  aren't
• 23:40
  used
• 23:41
  to
• 23:41
  operating
• 23:42
  with
• 23:42
  that
• 23:42
  humility,
• 23:43
  and
• 23:43
  they
• 23:43
  kind
• 23:43
  of
• 23:43
  have
• 23:43
  to.
• 23:44
  They
• 23:45
  have
• 23:45
  to.
• 23:45
  They
• 23:45
  have
• 23:45
  to
• 23:46
  do
• 23:46
  that,
• 23:46
  really.
• 23:47
  It's
• 23:47
  a
• 23:47
  bit
• 23:47
  of
• 23:47
  humble
• 23:47
  pie
• 23:48
  that
• 23:48
  needs
• 23:48
  to
• 23:48
  be
• 23:48
  eaten.
• 23:49
  I'm
• 23:49
  eating
• 23:49
  a
• 23:49
  lot
• 23:49
  of
• 23:49
  humble
• 23:50
  pie.
• 23:50
  All
• 23:50
  right.
• 23:51
  You
• 23:51
  like
• 23:51
  humble
• 23:51
  pie?
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  do.
• 23:52
  Do
• 23:52
  I?
• 23:52
  Yeah.
• 23:53
  No,
• 23:53
  the
• 23:54
  best
• 23:54
  people
• 23:54
  do.
• 23:54
  I
• 23:54
  like
• 23:54
  humble
• 23:55
  pie.
• 23:55
  Right.
• 23:55
  Like,
• 23:55
  just
• 23:56
  eat
• 23:56
  it,
• 23:56
  go
• 23:56
  for
• 23:56
  it.
• 23:57
  That's
• 23:57
  true.
• 23:57
  Yeah.
• 23:58
  Yeah.
• 23:58
  All
• 23:59
  right,
• 23:59
  cool.
• 23:59
  Well,
• 23:59
  that's
• 24:00
  it.
• 24:00
  Thank
• 24:00
  you
• 24:00
  for
• 24:00
  hanging
• 24:01
  out.
• 24:01
  I'm
• 24:02
  so
• 24:02
  happy
• 24:02
  to
• 24:02
  be
• 24:02
  here
• 24:02
  with
• 24:03
  you
• 24:03
  guys.
• 24:03
  Always
• 24:03
  been
• 24:04
  a
• 24:04
  blast.
• 24:04
  Yeah.
• 24:04
  Cool.
• 24:05
  And
• 24:05
  we'll
• 24:05
  see
• 24:05
  you
• 24:06
  at
• 24:06
  Kids
• 24:06
  Screen
• 24:06
  2027.
• 24:07
  Yeah,
• 24:07
  yeah.
• 24:08
  Sounds
• 24:08
  good.
• 24:08
  Bye.
• 24:09
  See.
• 24:38
  Do.
• 25:04
  Do.
• 25:30
  Sam
• 25:55
  dead.
• 26:29
  But.